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have that. >> stick around to nbc live up next. we will have the latest donald trump tweet. you know they are. good thursday morning. what a day it is going to be into the night. we are hours away from the on one between bernie sanders and hillary clinton. it is the last debate before they have their say in the nation's first presidential primary. the clinton campaign continues to climb a steep hill to victory. the latest shows the candidate is joining six and trails boy 22 points.
in a forum the candidates went back and forth over the latest argument and this is what they are talking about. who can call themselves a progressive. >> i do not know any progressive who has a super pac and takes $15 million from wall street. that's just not progressive. >> i know where i stand and i know who stands with me. i know what i have done. i don't think it helps for the senator to make those comparisons because clearly we share a lot of the same hopes and aspirations that we want to see achieved. >> on the republican side, the race continues to shake-up two candidates and dropped out within the past 24 hours. we have new polling that shows donald trump is down, marco rubio is up. our political team is here and i
am joined by halle jackson. in new york, nbc political correspondent. let me start with you, steve. this morning on "morning joe," joe scarborough was almost getty talking about the republicans are always the who win the primaries and they have to show who is so far to the right, now you have democrats battling it out. appearing to be bad words in the primary now. what do you think of what's going on right now? >> that is an interesting dynamic from what we saw 10 or 20 years ago from the democratic party where you had to prove how moderate you were. who is more progressive and that is a fight being waged on bernie sanders's turf. if you look at what happened, the democrats who called
themselves liberal. they went overwhelmingly. when you talk about democrats who identify the moderates, hillary clinton get more and the good news for bernie sanders and when you look at new hampshire. two states filled with voter who is called themselves girls. that's a big reason why the polls show him ahead in new hampshire. they are trying to chip in saying they are playing the progressive. when you get away from iowa, you get away from new hampshire and you look at the national democratic party, all the other states that come later. a much smaller share of voters nationally and all the other states that will vote call themselves liberal or very liberal. the terrain people start saying you get past. part of that is because it gets
more diverse. african-american voters and a big part of that is simply it's not as liberal. >> one of the other things that people will be watching closely is how hillary clinton responds to what has been a very big narrative by bernie sanders and that's about the money she has taken from wall street. hillary, most of the observers had a good night here yesterday. i think it was when she was asked. here's what she said. >> look. i made speeches to lots of groups and i told them what i thought. i answered questions. >> do you have to be paid $675,000? >> i don't know. that's what they offered. every secretary of state they know has done that. >> that's usually for people not running for office. >> i wasn't committed to running. i didn't know whether i would. >> you didn't think you were going to run for president?
>>. >> i didn't. >> that's not something you regret? >> no, i don't. i don't feel that i paid any price for it and i am clear about what i would do and they are on notice. >> i think the problem here is not about whether or not she knew she was going to run for president. the idea of $675,000 and it might be sort of just that's what they paid me. and maybe not really recognizing how much money that is. for some people that's what they makeover a lifetime. this is i think hillary clinton's weakest spot with the democratic base and something bernie sanders exploit the really well. it's the speaking fees and the ties to wall street like you are saying on this issue with the speaking fees. there two ways to look at it and you can say $675,000. doesn't that buy wall street? on the flip side, if you are
saying 670 doesn't mean that much, you are sounding incredibly out of touch. i have to say, i am having flash backs to mitt romney. it was mitt romney who had that. i am running for president for pete's sake. seeming too out of touch. 675,000 and not seeming like as much money as other people. this is the biggest vulnerability and when you lock ahead to the debate, this will be a question that comes up. interesting to see in the 24 hours if she cleans that up a little bit. >> john mccain, when he didn't know the answer to how many houses he had. sanders and clinton will be there all day. it gives you a sense of the intensity of what happened here. the republicans will be across the state and they have at least two dozen events and we mentioned that poll showing marco rubio vaulting ahead of
ted cruz. halle, marco rubio laid the ground work. he said i won even though he came in third and he is taking a fire. >> now he is getting attacked from all sides and he has been. he came under attacks in the super pac. that's the campaign that pointed out and saying hey, we have been attacked and still in this third place position. he is getting in a lot of money. $2 million since the showing in the caucuses. 35 over these last few weeks and how ted cruz is approaching coming off the win in iowa. >> cruz is doing the same thing that you have been seeing him do, coming to new hampshire where he doesn't have a lot at stake. this is not a sthat is a must win. if he does well, it's like a cherry on top of a sundae.
if you talk about the endor endorsemen endorsements, there was a moment. this moment was something else. take a watch. >> my feeling is someone who has tremendous potential and tremendous gifts. if you look at being a minority where nothing got done, it's hard to say they were accomplishments. what happened during that four years that was an accomplishment for anybody. gridlock. >> you can't answer or point to an accomplishment. >> i think that was the first question out of joe's mouth. that was the answer that rick might have given. >> do you think so? >> i think the rubio campaign has been pointing to things like sanctions on venezuela and they are pointing out the accomplishments that he was in the senate and the point being
santorum as a surrogate maybe not the best morning you have. i'm sure you will see him on the trail. >> donald trump in his first contest ever, he doesn't win. one of the things we were looking at is how is he going to handle it? he based his existence on winning and how is he going to handle it? >> he got the most votes in caucus history and it is his first time in the political world and that is a terrible showing. the problem is he brags about his poll numbers and his expectations of the campaign. he couldn't manage the expectations that everyone was assuming he would win down the line when the poll numbers started to shoot up. what the campaign will be struggling to do is manage the expectations. he is up boy a lot here. there is a lot to lose when you stick with people in the gop
party. people on the street. there a lot of undecideds out there. 44% believe are undecided right now. they could go for donald trump and bernie sanders. it's an independent streak. he might have to fight off the democrats as well. we have a tall mount despite their lead. just from talking to people. >> historically this is a state that decides late. they changed their minds and i find it fascinating that he is picking up the ben carson mantle. he said there was fraught that ted cruz cheated and he put out the narrative and just to remind people saying that he is going to dropout of the race. vote for me. >> donald trump has an idea of fairness and everything has to be fair. >> let's listen. >> here's what donald trump said
on wednesday. >> i think i came in first because if you take a look, you know. oh, that voter fraud. these politicians are brutal. >> basically he is instead of looking forward, he is looking back. this is a personal battle between him and ted cruz. that's maybe not the right way to look at it. ted cruz is not necessarily going to do well here. marco rubio would be somebody that he should watch out for more. this is donald trump. if he doesn't think something is fair he will rail against it and harp on it. take megyn kelly. >> donald trump versus ted cruz. all the candidates. good for them. >> it will be interesting to see how it plays out while they are crisscrossing the state. you guys will be too.
thanks to both of you. and steve, thanks to you as well. we want to remind you you can see the democratic debate here on msnbc at 9:00 eastern time. talking about the establishment candidates. chris christie said the primary would come down to a choice between him and marco rubio. "morning joe," he took direct aim at the senator. >> this is a guy who has only done one thing in the senate and that was write an amnesty bill and run away when the heat got turned up. he has given the same speech and the handlers surrounded and coddled him and they call on members of the press individually and selected to ask him the selected questions. he does a drive by 45 minute town hall meeting where he gives the same canned answers he gives on the debate stage. they are all very nice and very,
very neat. that's not the way governing works. marco rubio is a guy who moves and shifts depending on what he thinks he can get from them. he is not proven as a leader and not accomplished anything of note in his career in the senate or time as speaker of the house in florida. it's time for the boy in the bubble to come out of the bubble and answer these questions and tell us things rather than continue to give the same speeches he has given. a great speech, but it's time to come up with something new to say. >> chris christie, what do you really think? our strategist who heads chris christie's team. hello to you. me about the strategy of going after marco rubio. >> the experience matters. chris christie talks about his experience at 70 town hall meetings for six months and working the fields and doing it
the old fashioned way of getting out and seeing people and answering questions and spending two hours at a town hall meeting. >> is this an indication that he believes and a lot of people think that that there is one establishment and not ted cruz and not donald trump. >> it's a compare and contrast. marco rubio was skipping votes. he had a few days and when he comes it's very sterile and very planned town hall meetings. new hampshire likes to ask questions and like to get answers they haven't heard before. that matters in new hampshire. that's the difference and you talked about the bumps coming out of iowa. you look at history, it never mattered in new hampshire what is done in iowa. >> let's talk about what's going on in new hampshire. i think that's right and history shows that the latest tracking poll has your candidate in 6th
place with 5%. what do you have to do here? >> it's very flute. there is not one galvanizing event. >> can you remake a landscape in the last five days? >> you are remaking a polling that has been wrong throughout this cam pain and whether it has been in iowa or new hampshire. it has shown to be off considerably. if there is a tight bunch, there is. i think being here mattered. and governor christie has been here and it has been people like the speaker of the house or the president who endorsed governor christie yesterday. they are putting their names on the line to a candidate and they are seeing and hearing things that are moving for governor christie. >> one of the clear things we heard is electability. he has been going after hillary clinton. let me play something that has been getting a lot of attention.
>> she has been running away from the federal prosecutors for the last six months. and she sees a federal prosecutor on the stage, i will beat her rear end on that stage. you know what, after i do, she will be relieved because i will serve her with a subpoena. >> the democrats here in new jersey call that childish and inappropriate as well as reflecting the tendency for violence and mi soj me in. >> they don't matter here. the democrats don't matter. >> did he go a little too far? >> i don't think. that's all part of the last week and people get excited and they are getting the crowd stirred up. suddenly you are offended by something that he would say you
are offensive. we are stretching it a bit. >> good luck in the last week. we have a lot more ahead. live on the ground from manchester, new hampshire. marco rubio held his first event of the day. we will check in with our correspondent who talked with the senator, next. the final face off before tuesday's primary, hillary clinton and bernie sanders debating here on msnbc, the first time going on one. you won't want to miss it, tonight at 9:00 eastern. right here. you owned your car for four years, you named it brad. you loved brad. and then you totaled him. you two had been through everything together. two boyfriends, three jobs... you're like nothing can replace brad. then liberty mutual calls, and you break into your happy dance. if you sign up for better car replacement™, we'll pay for a car that's a model year newer
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>> the tracking poll gained momentum and explained why he didn't listen when he was advised not to run. >> most of the people in power didn't want me to run for president. they said it wasn't my turn. literally said it's not your turn. you should wait. my answer was wait for what? after seven years of barack obama this is no time for patience. if we get this wrong, there may be no turning back or turning around. >> gabe gutierrez joins us live where he will hold another town hall in about hours. what are we going to see in the next five days or so? >> marco rubio up early this morning with another series of town halls trying to take the message to the voters. the stage is being set for another one of these.
even these town hall meetings in addition his speeches are very scripted. that immediately goes back to his talking points. a lot of analysts talked about his strategy here and it could be a 3, 2, 1 strategy. third in iowa and second in new hampshire. that's not the case and they are trying to finish in the top tier and preferably in the top three with trump and cruz and rubio. they feel that the field will slim after new hampshire and they can take this going forward. earlier in the show you mentioned this interview on morning joe with rick santorum and where he struggled to come up with a single accomplishment that rubio had in the senate and that is something that critics are pouncing on. pouncing on that as well and so has donald trump. the rubio campaign put out a
list of several what he says are accomplishments like va accountable reform and efforts to repeal obamacare and sanctions on venezuela. the efforts to repeal obamacare and efforts to fight that obamacare bailout on a certain portion have been greatly overstated. that is picking up traction this morning and critics are on the attack as he continues to gain momentum here. he is being attacked from all angles especially of the so-called establishment. >> it is fascinating to hear that from the campaign, the 3, 2, 1 strategy to i want to finish in the top tier. >> that's something they have always done and something his critics are pouncing on as well. he is script and controlled and
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the associated press reports that clinton's narrow win sparked nervousness among supporters. she predicted her record would help her turn the tide in new hampshire. >> i hope we keep it on the issues because if it's about our records, hey, i'm going to win by a landslide on tuesday. >> there is a lot of talk this this campaign between senator sanders and myself about whether voters will vote with their head or their heart. let me ask you to vote with both. i hope that new hampshire, you will come on this journey with me bringing both your hearts and your heads. >> a columnist at "the washington post," it's interesting to hear her talk about her heart. a different approach and a different way. >> one of the most striking
moments was when she really gave voters this glimpse that they don't often get into secretary clinton's heard when she talked about getting scripture in the morning and talked about wrestling with sort of how hear me roar versus how it was strained to be and the way she thought about her future. i thought that was not the sort of misty eyed moment we remember from years ago. time flies. having elections. it was a real moment. one of the clinton folks we had breakfast with called it poetic. consider the source. it was. >> you do see it kind of bothers her when you talked about not getting more credit for having heart. >> i think hillary clinton ought to hope they go more with head than with heart. the heart vote is clearly with senator sanders.
>> so is the youth vote which is so interesting. we talked about this so much. here's this 74-year-old guy who has these kids going crazy for him. hillary was asked about that in the town hall yesterday. take a listen to how she answered that. >> in iowa, among women under 30, senator sanders beat you by 70 points. >> here's what i want young people to know. they don't have to be for me. i will be for them. if they are not supporting me, i will be their president and do everything i can to give them the opportunities they deserve. >> she does need to turn that around. i thought it was a terrific answer, but -- >> the most authentic moment of the night was when she said that's amazing. that difference really is. in a sense it's not surprising. he is a 74-year-old grandpa, but he is selling on what sells
really well to youth. revolution. you don't have revolutions from middle aged women like me. you have revolutions from the kids. she needs to keep on calmly explaining to them what she is going try to do for them and she is going to fight for them. the hope in the clinton campaign is not going to disappear that. it will narrow the difference. >> on the republican side with the men, we are seeing a lot of female surrogates. barbara bush is going out for jeb bush. there a number of examples for this. how effective is that? >> it depends on who you are and which candidate you are. i have been keeping a running tally in my mind of candidates to i'm a mom. i am susceptible to candidates talking about their moms. chris christie does an interesting thing where he describes this very emotional scene that gets me a little
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>> at the university in durham, the scene for the high stakes debate, the first head to head debate between hillary clinton and bernie sanders and their last debate before the first in the nation primary. clinton and sanders are off the trail in debate prep mode. new hampshire loved hillary years ago. does she have the time to get that mojo back before tuesday? joining me on the road, i know you just left a breakfast and you are on the way back. will she be able to be the come back kid? >> i think that the clinton campaign knows or is confident that they can close a little bit of this gap in new hampshire with bernie sanders, but the expectations they are setting are definitely on the lower side for her. they are emphasizing that this
is a friendly territory for senator sanders since he is from the neighboring state of vermont. campaign manager robbie mook said he was a volunteer for bernie sanders and he is from vermont. back in the early 90s before he started volunteering with the democratic party. i think they are trying to frame what happened over the course of the last couple of days as an increase in personal negative attacks from bernie sanders to hillary clinton, particularly this issue of whether or not she is a progressive. they say his answer on whether or not she was a progressive is something that amounts to a very negative personal attack on her. it's something that clinton herself is taking personally. she feels strongly and the work she did from the very beginning of her career in public life out of law school and working for the children's defense fund does represent progressive values and
that's something she maintained over the course of her career. they want him to continue to stay above that fray. >> as a matter of fact you asked him about that. let's play the exchange you had with bernie sanders. >> do you think hillary clinton is a progressive? >> some days, yes. she announces that she is a proud moderate and then she is not a progressive. i think frankly it is hard to be a real progressive. and to take on the establishment in a way that i think has to be taken. when you become as dependable as she has through her super pac on wall street. >> i was a little disappointed to be honest yesterday. it was kind of a low blow when senator sanders said in response to a question, well, you know, maybe she is a progressive on
some days. i hope we keep it on the issues because if it's about our records, hey, i'm going to win by a landslide on tuesday. >> casey, you have been talking to folks and watching it play out on both sides. where is it going and how important is this part of the debate? >> i think it's going to be the thing on with the debate coming up and it hinges. there is a very fundamental battle to a certain extent within the democratic party and what it the best way to push that agenda forward. i think there many on the left and senator sanders had to walk a little bit of a careful line. there people in his base, people who self identify as progressives who say president obama has not gone far enough and hillary clinton has said she
would be arguing that she would be the to continue president obama's legacy. obviously arguing that he has done the accomplishments that he has do represent progressive values and she is arguing that she knows how to get things done within the system in washington where as the ideas that senator sanders brings to the table will not be able to be implemented. they started to make the argument in the final closing days in iowa having talked to the campaign manager and senior officials today it seems as though that will be a continuing theme. >> casey hunt on the road. thanks so much. i want to bring in brian fallon for the clinton campaign. good to see you as we set up shop here in manchester. let's talk about this who is more progressive, a fight that is going on. i want to read something that bernie sanders tweeted. he said yesterday you can be a moderate or a progressive, but you cannot be a moderate and a
progressive. >> this is a strange line of attack from senator sanders. i'm not sure what to make of it. hillary clinton devoted her career to progressive causes. coming out of law school, she went to work for the children's defense fund and dealt with issues of segregated schools in alabama and registering latino voters in texas and she is about to expand family and medical leave and emergency contraception for women. in the 1990s under her husband's administration and the drug companies. >> if the question is what have you done for me lately, give me an example or two of what she has done recently. >> as secretary of state, she was a champion for women's rights and lgbt equality. it's a strange definition or standard that senator sanders is trying to apply.
only senator sanders who thinks president obama has been a disappointment can level that argument. he did endorse a book that just came to light. he endorsed a book whose thesis is that president obama has let down progressives. i think most democrats that will be voting in this primary process over the next several weeks and months would strongly disagree with that and stand with president obama and take heart in the many accomplishments he won on behalf of the democratic party. senator sanders's critique is similar to the he is launching against secretary clinton and it will drive away primary voters if he keeps it up. >> there questions that came up recently and these are areas where i think the real knock on hillary clinton is she was late to the game.
tpp. xl pipeline. has she been hesitant to get on board with real progressive causes? >> absolutely not. the criticism doesn't ring true. if you look at her career, she has been fighting for working class americans throughout. she has the most comprehensive proposals that show how she would win results on behalf of the americans and what progressives are owed is not just what you believe in, but a plan for how you get it done. as we have seen, we will be facing interests and a republican party that is hell bent that is depriving us on the progre progress. hill row clinton persevered and gotten better when we had to contest the issues like health care. not getting the universal health care proposal passed in 1993, she dusted herself and helped to get over the finish line the chip program that insured 8
million kids. sand sanders shares many of the same values as clinton. >> what is she going to do here in the next five days. how much can she close the gap. does she have a chance to win? >> it will be tough to win, but i think we can close the gap. you are seeing public polling that shows us trailing sanders by as many as 30 points. that speaks to the uphill climb, but there is a lot of affection for hillary clinton. despite the fact that she is trailing and we have a chance to eat into the margin and that's what we will do. >> she is in debate mode right now. after the break, we will talk much more about those two buzzwords you are hearing so much about. progressive versus moderate.
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about this about how it has been a problem always for the republicans. where do you see the republicans in terms of them going so far to the right and coming back to the middle in the general. how do you see this playing out? >> definitely think if she moves too far to the left it is going to hurt her in the general. the way sanders is playing this attack is brilliant. he is specifically honing in on her financial sector ties. about one out of $10 that hillary clinton raised is from big banks. that's what sanders has been effective with his messaging of economic liberty and taking on hillary clinton as establishment. he paints her into a corner. >> let me play part of how hillary clinton responded at the town hall. >> i was somewhat amused that senator sanders set himself up
to be the gatekeeper of who is progressive. under the definitions on twitter, barack obama would not be a progressive and joe biden would not be a even the late great senator paul wellstone would not be a progressive. >> jonathan, how do you think she did with that answer and where do you think she's playing in this campaign? >> i think she did well with that answer. i heard a piece the other day warning democrats about what is happening between clinton supporters and sanders supporters. if you say something negative about senator sanders, the response you get back will melt your pixel screen. i think secretary clinton did a very good job of defending herself. yes, i agree with the comparison to what is happening on the left is happening on the right in that the candidates are so far
to their edges that they might have a problem swinging back to the center and being able to swing back to the center. but the idea is that she's not a progressive i think is ludicrous. >> we have seen the influence in debates and this is not only the first time that these two are going to go head-to-head but it's the last time that new hampshire voters go to the polls. let me give you each 30 seconds and lisa, i'll start with you. what is key tonight and what are you going to be watching for? >> hillary clinton doesn't need to make unforced errors. . >> maybe sanders will go for the j jugular tonight.
>> her answer last night at the forum to taking money from financial institutions is unsatisfactory. she has to be a clear, concrete answer for that and then be able to talk about what she will actually -- how she will actually make her promises reality and make the contrast with senator sanders who has made a lot of promises but has not said how it's going to happen. he's spent a lot of time attacking her for her financial ties. >> it's clear that they are reworking that answer a little bit so it will be interesting to hear tonight. jonathan capehart and elise jordan, thank you. >> thanks, chris. things are getting heated. are we surprised? the two traded barbs via twitter. now trump is threatening to take action on what? we'll tell you, next. dad, you can just drop me off right here. oh no, i'll take you up to the front of the school. that's where your friends are. seriously, it's, it's really fine. you don't want to be seen with your dad? no, it's..no.. this about a boy?
donald trump and senator ted cruz, boy, are they going at it. now trump says he may take it to the next level and launch a formal complaint against cruz. trump says in iowa the cruz campaign sent deceiving mailers to voters and circulated rumors that ben carson had dropped out of the race. msnbc chief legal correspondent ari melber is here to walk us through what happens if he puts those threats into action. could he actually file some legal action here? >> legal action would be hard. nice to see you in new hampshire there. i know you were talking to some of the carson campaign side of this so i'm curious about that. the iowa republican party has no comment on this. in other words, they don't see this trump complaint verbally. him talking about this is rising to the level as something that they even need to address. but what he would do is be a
election on twitter, like some other tweets that are not accurate. you have to appeal directly to the party leadership and ultimately, this is all about the delegates. you have to have a claim that would go anywhere whether you thought you were being awarded the right delegates, not something that you were upset about happening separate from voting. >> will you file a separate or formal complaint? have you or will you? >> he said it during the caucus. >> what you see is donald trump talking about things that didn't happiness with the voting but during the general discussion. that's not grounds for a challenge. >> and, of course, donald trump is self-funding. ben carson is raising money off of this. his folks say that his fundraising is up 300% although
they had been pretty flat. never, ever boring. ari melber, thank you so much. that's going to wrap up this special edition of msnbc live from new hampshire. i'm chris jansing. i'll see you back here at 2:00 eastern time. kate snow will pick up from here. she has a big show ahead. john kasich, marco rubio, ted cruz and donald trump taking to the stage. don't miss the final democratic debate right here at 9:00 p.m. eastern only on msnbc. tomorrow starts today. all across the state the economy is growing, with creative new business incentives, and the lowest taxes in decades, attracting the talent and companies of tomorrow. like in the hudson valley, with world class biotech. and on long island, where great universities are creating next generation technologies. let us help grow your company's tomorrow, today at business.ny.gov
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four republican candidates. as chris jansing just mentioned, we have john kasich, ted cruz and marco rubio and jeb bush. former candidate rick santorum struggled to name any accomplishment by rubio on "morning joe" after endorsing him. >> my feeling on marco is someone who has tremendous potential and gifts. if you look at being a minority in the senate where nothing got four years, where nothing got done. it was a complete gridlock. >> not a great moment there for rick santorum or for the rubio come pain. rubio's team responding quickly now sending reporters a list of his accomplishments. rival campaigns are already pouncing. our team is here to break it down.
hallie jackson and katy tur and pat healy with "the new york times" and msnbc political correspondent steve kornacki. back in new york, steve, hi. let's start with hallie since you're sitting next to me, i'll peck you first. good morning. you've talked to the rubio campaign a bit. it was quite a moment. it went on for a while. >> joe pressed him on it. >> joe and mika pressing him to come up with some kind of accomplishment or something that marco rubio has actually done and he really struggled to come up with something. what is the campaign saying? >> the campaign is pointing out his accomplishments in the senate. they are not letting this go in a moment that was sort of awkward and a wincing moment for santorum. sanctions against hezbollah and his obamacare what they call a bailout which there have been questions raised about how much rubio was effective in actually
getting that through in the senate although he was obviously a supporter of it. they are coming out and doing this, as you put it, damage control but you are seeing chris christie's campaign, jeb bush's campaign, donald trump's campaign talking about this, pushing this. they want to get it out there because this narrative -- >> they are sending out e-mails and pushing on twitter and trying to get it out there. >> any way that they can. marco rubio is the one to beat, especially if you're in the establishment lane. people like chris christie, jeb bush, john kasich, they need to tear him down to move on. he's essentially now the front-runner for the gop nomination. >> a new poll shows marco rubio rising. he's now at 15%. just a little bit ahead of ted cruz. >> showing up unexpectedly last night. >> when you're in the -- in new
york, you don't get to see the candidates in person. it was long. it was a couple hours of him fielding questions last night and very sharply, again, going after not as much marco rubio but more after donald trump. >> and cruz last month was going after rubio more and it looked like rubio was the threat. now with the gloves fully off against donald trump, lee tell you, as we've been talking about donald trump for months, what we saw yesterday was sort of an amped up feistier ted cruz that what we've seen before. yesterday it was donald trump less well behaved than my children who are 5 and 7. >> and donald trump continues to go after cruz as opposed to really picking apart marco rubio's record. will we see that change today? >> they don't often telegraph what they will do. i think the campaign is trying to move forward here in new hampshire and they need to go after marco rubio more than ted
cruz. it looks like they were harping on something but donald trump himself is not good at taking a loss. he's not good at taking to things that he doesn't find fair. we saw that with megyn kelly. he didn't let that go for months. the campaign really needs to move forward and they've got to figure out a way to stop the momentum of marco rubio much more so than ted cruz. >> he had the target on his back in iowa. it's very much marco rubio right now. if donald trump is able to hold the leads in the polls right now, they are all fighting for number two and the concern is that marco rubio is the one who is coming up with some momentum. so i think you're going to see at least the other establishment candidates keep hitting him. the question for ted cruz is, are you better off hitting donald trump sort of going after the guy who you beat in iowa and really sort of trying to, if not kill him, at least take him down. or do you start attacking marco rubio to make sure that rubio at
least gets -- doesn't get a lot of action in the polls. >> you've covered the democrats mostly. i want to talk about tonight's debate, with you and steve kornacki who is back in new york. steve, the argument seems to be right now among the democrats, who is more progressive. >> yeah. sorry. technical issue there. yes, that's what they are talking about right now. obviously that is to bernie sanders' advantage at this moment. if you look at the entrance polls from there in iowa, among the voters who described themselves as the most liberal, sanders had a very comfortable margin over hillary clinton, about 20 points. the good news for bernie sanders, if you're talking about iowa and new hampshire, on the democratic side, a much bigger share of the electorate describes himself as liberals. we're talking about 65, 70%, around two-thirds of democrats call themselves liberals.
hillary clinton is running from behind in part because of that and she's obviously trying to remind voters in new hampshire, trying to tell voters in new hampshire, look, he's not the only one that can call himself a progressive, trying to chip away at his advantage there. the problem for bernie sanders is that this discussion will change once you get away from iowa, once you get away from new hampshire. because nationally, the number of democrats in these primaries who call themselves liberals, that's going to be about 50%, maybe even slightly under 50%. you're talking about a pretty significant drop from the early state to the early primaries that will follow. when we talk about hillary clinton having an advantage once you get away from new hampshire, it's not just african-american voters who -- you look at south carolina, suddenly they are a big factor there. african-americans there siding with hillary. it's also voters who do not call themselves liberals. they are much more pronounced in states after new hampshire. >> steve, hold on one second. i want to listen to something that happened last night at this
forum that cnn held with sanders and clinton and ask you about it, pat. she was asked about gigantic fees that she earned for speaking from wall street. >> i do not know any progressive who has a super pac and takes $15 million from wall street. that's just not progressive. >> i know where i stand. i know who stands with me. i know what i've done. but i don't think it helps for the senator to be making those kinds of comparisons because, clearly, we all share a lot of the same hopes and aspirations for our country that we want to see achieved. >> look, i made speeches to lots of groups. i told them what i thought. i answered questions. >> but did you have to be paid $675,000? >> well, i don't know. that's what they offered, so -- you know, every secretary of state that i know has done that.
>> but you must have known that you were going to run for office. >> to be honest, i wasn't committed to running. i didn't know whether i would or not. >> you didn't know whether you were going to run for president? >> i didn't. >> so, to be clear, that's not something you regret? >> no, i don't. i don't feel i paid any price for it and i'm clear on what i'll do and they are on notice. >> that's what they offered, pat. maybe not the best defense on this. how big of a vulnerability is it not just in the primary but in a general election? >> it's a real vulnerability, especially here in new hampshire. i mean, it's just sort of amazing, she had several good answers before that and then this is something that has been such a vulnerability for so long and the fact that she didn't have a better way to answer, in the sense that she was greedy when she got out of the state department and sort of cashed in on that experience. you know, it's something that comes up in the polls with
younger voters and especially with young, independent voters who are such a part of sanders' base. they see her as this sort of big money, wall street driven, big corporation system where she literally got $675,000 not 20 years ago from wall street but just a couple of years ago and the idea i think for a lot of people that she didn't really think she was going to be running for president, she wasn't sure, maybe she was done, that just sort of comes across, even for some democrats, as disingenuous and really hits on -- i think you see in the polls, a sense with younger voters that she's not someone who they necessarily trust in terms of what she is saying. >> this may not be fair but i want to do a quick lightning round. tonight debate -- because republicans will be watching the big democratic debate tonight, too. what's the subject that you'd like to hear more about or what your candidate would like to hear more about from the democrats tonight? >> i think they are going to run
against bernie sanders. i don't know if they will be outright rooting for him but that's what you'll get. >> the difference between socialist and a democratic, what is the difference between those two things? i think that's something that the republicans would want to grab on to if they hear a more socialist answer, certainly from bernie sanders. >> does bernie sanders run away from his tax plan in the state new hampshire that does not like taxes or tax increases? or does he find a compelling way to describe it? and what does hillary clinton do about sort of younger voters and also younger female voters? find some new way to appeal to them. >> she was asked about that last night, too. steve, are you still with us? >> i'm pretty sure it's going to come up. she did not do a good job of it last night. i have a feeling they will be working on that today. i'm curious what they come up with. >> steve kornacki, pat healy,
hallie jackson, katy tur, thank you. you can see the debate at 9:00 eastern time tonight on msnbc. president obama wrapping up his message at the washington prayer breakfast in washington, d.c., and spoke about what faith means to him personally and greater impact he says it has on our country as a whole. >> when syrian refugees seek the safety from our shores, it's the synagogues and churches who welcome them, the first to offer blankets and food and open their homes. even now, people of different faiths and beliefs are helping people who are suffering in flint. and then there's the less spectacular, more quiet efforts of congregations all across this
country just helping people. >> let's go live to the white house now. msnbc's ron allen. what more did the president have to say? >> reporter: okay. the focus about the president's comments were about fear and the tool to overcome fear. it's an annual tradition that dates back several decades. in the background, it's hard not to hear what's been the persistent criticism of the republican candidates from the white house and this president saying that they are playing to the fears of the american public as they try to win their parties' nomination, talking about world war iii, a ban on muslims and twha is directly playing to people's fears. the president noted that he went to a mosque for a visit. here's what he had to say about that. >> just yesterday, some of you may be aware i visited a mosque
in baltimore to let our muslim american brother and sisters know that they, too, are americans and welcome them. >> reporter: interestingly, yesterday, the president said that he thought there was a direct connection between some of the remarks made on the campaign trail and a surge in violence against muslim americans. mosques being desecrated, kids being bullied in school. an interesting connection that the president drew. but today's remarks were mostly about a call to a common hume pl humanity, to overcome our differences. he could not help but hear that in the background of what the president had to say today. >> ron allen at the white house, thanks so much. live from manchester, we're canvassing the granite state. so are the candidates with four town halls happening at this
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just five days from the new hampshire primary and it's all hands on deck for hillary clinton's campaign here in the granite state. an army of more than 150 staffers have been deployed from the clinton headquarters in brooklyn, new york, to boost clinton's ground game leading up to tuesday's primary. and it appears the push might be paying off. a new poll showing clinton has closed the gap with bernie sanders by seven points in just
one day. clinton told supporters she was committed to campaigning in new hampshire despite trailing sanders by a wide margin. >> i come here well aware of the fact that a lot of political pundits have been opining as political pundits do that i should have just skipped coming to new hampshire. >> maybe you just should have moved on to some of these other states where everybody says you have big leads and all of that. i have to tell you, i just could not have skipped new hampshire. i cannot even imagine not being here. i'm joined here by susan page, washington bureau for "usa today" and national political reporter, abby phillip.
susan, let me start with you. the poll today shows a seven-point increase for hillary clinton. sa sanders is still way ahead but she's closing the gip. given the history, do you say, let's wait and see? >> one of my most searing political victories was in 2008, a poll showed barack obama with a double-digit lead after this point, even closer to the primary than we are now and hillary clinton pulled it out. >> he lost. >> he lost. that was stunning. we have to remember that new hampshire, more than any other state don't make up their minds. independents can vote in either primary. it make it is very volatile. >> so i'm going to go with bernie sanders instead of donald trump? >> bernie sanders has a huge lead here. he cannot take it to the bank until wednesday morning. it is possible, while hillary clinton has an uphill struggle as brian fallon told msnbc just a few minutes ago, it is not impossible that she could do it again. >> let me go to abby.
clinton has been downplaying her chances. it's all about the expectations game and she's saying that bernie sanders is the guy next door. of course he's going to do well here. i want to hear what he said -- what hillary said to chris matthews and then i'll ask you about it. >> here in new hampshire where i am in senator sanders' backyard, as you know, as a political expert, and the new hampshire votes for neighbors. i have to really get out there and make my case, which i intend to do this week. >> is it all about bernie sanders lead -- is it about being a neighbor or is there something else going on here, abby? >> i think there's a couple things going on here. yes, bernie sanders is from right next door. a lot of people in new hampshire are very familiar with his name. they share media markets as the clinton campaign is very eager to point out but there is something else going on here. bernie sanders does very well with independent voters.
as susan mentioned, there is going to be a lot of people not affiliated with the democratic party voting in the democratic primary. those people are pulling hillary clinton to the left. they want to see more of that and in some ways they want to make a point. i talked to a voter the other day who said, we don't really care what iowa did. they have a caucus. it's a crazy system. here in new hampshire, we vote in a primary. and i think new hampshire voters are going to be eager to do that. that's why neither the sanders campaign or hillary clinton campaign want to set the bar too high here. >> tonight, what does hillary clinton need to do on the stage to win some of the undecided voters? >> you know, not just undecided voters but younger voters. her gap is not sustainable.
she needs to talk more about the future and less about the past. her answer last night was interesting about younger voters. well, i'll work for them no matter what even if they don't support me. i'm not sure it was the most winning pitch to younger voters. >> i wonder if she'd have something more compelling to say to that and the wall street question. she struggled in response to both of those questions. i would expect her to have a smoother answer compared to last night. >> abby, clinton has dispatched big leads in both states in new hampshire and south carolina. are we going to see tough battles there? are they prepared for that or can they bank everything here in terms of their staff and wait on those other states? >> i think at this point they are absolutely preparing for tough battles in nevada and south carolina and particularly in states that have caucuses
like nevada and colorado. they are worried that we might see a repeat of iowa where bernie sanders was able to close the gap that was really nonexistent. they are preparing for the worse and dispatching their staffers. it's an all-hands-on-deck approach. the staffers are stationed there for eight or nine months are going to dispatch all across the country and really build up the ground game that's been dormant in some of the march states. bernie sanders has a lot of money and he can really compete for quite a while as long as he continues to have grassroot supporters willing to fund his campaign. >> he said that they look at the fundraising numbers, they know that bernie sanders can run a campaign well into the spring but makes the argument that could be good for hillary
clinton and maybe that's a convenient argument. >> really? >> that's what happened in 2008. long, extended battle. >> it didn't work out so well for her in 2008. >> but it worked for barack obama. sometimes it's good to generate the big list of voters to get the enthusiasm going and last time the obama people worked about it, it worked to their advantage. it might be okay for them. >> because it invigorates the party? >> yes. and gets everybody steamed up for the general election. >> abby, susan, thank you for being here. appreciate it. >> thank you. now to the latest daily tracking poll out of new hampshire, it shows jeb bush in fourth place with 8% of the vote on the republican side. our veteran political correspondent, kelly o'donnell, joins us now. in addition to covering capitol hill, she's covering presidential campaigns for about 20 years now. kelly, is that fair? she just had a chance to sit down with jeb bush. >> i'm sorry.
me too, by the way. 20 years for me. >> i know. >> tell me about jeb bush because you had a chance on kind of a critical moment in his path here. what did he have to say? >> reporter: well, we spent some time with governor bush this morning and you might be able to see his campaign bus behind us. he's touring new hampshire, of course, trying to compete here. and we talked about a lot of the things that are in the race right fnow, including his protege, marco rubio, having a moment where he did well in new hampshire. i'm sorry. well in iowa coming in third there, trying to translate that in new hampshire with some polling that suggests a bump for rubio. well, jeb bush who knows rubio well is ready to take that on, much like we've seen some of the other governor candidates saying that rubio is a career politician, very gifted, able to turn a phrase but says he has no record that would show he could make a tough decision and no record of accomplishment. and so while jeb bush and marco
rubio know each other well, have been friendly in the past, it is game time here and as rubio rises, jeb bush is trying to point out to voters in new hampshire that rubio's record should be examined. and we also talked about the trump/ted cruz spat coming out of iowa and bush told me he was sort of grateful that cruz is starting to take on trump as well saying that trump has really gotten too much attention and not enough -- sort of scrutiny from voters about what he would do, what his positions really are and part of the attention around jeb bush today, he will point out that his numbers in new hampshire are improving. that he's in one poll placing second place here. he says he has the resources, the commitment, the time to stay in this race. and when i said there are people who are saying it's time for the so-called establishment to consolidate around a figure, perhaps like marco rubio, what do you make of that? jeb bush as a competitor said, no way, no coronation which, of
course, with the bush name is something that he's very sensitive to and it's time for each candidate to be examined by voters. so he has no plan, he says, to step aside, to pull back, to help the party coalesce around one figure unless perhaps it's him. and the other kind of highlight today is barbara bush, his 90-year-old mother, former first lady will be on the campaign trail with him here in new hampshire this evening. i asked how that came about. he said she volunteered. he, of course, knew at her age he didn't want to put any pressure on her but she wanted to appear with him tonight. of course, there was a lot of attention paid a few years ago when she said there had been enough bushes. i asked him about that and he said, well, he's given her a pass on that, marked her down as neutral, he said, and barbara bush is one of his biggest supporters now. bush is trying to remain relevant and trying to grind it out here and meeting voters and putting contrast on one of the men getting attention, that
being marco rubio. kate? >> kelly, i want to ask you about one moment that's also getting some attention in the last 24 hours. it's kind of gone viral. it's a moment where jeb bush is at an event in new hampshire and asks the crowd to respond to him. >> i will be a commander in chief that will have the backing of the military. i won't trash talk. i won't be a divider in chief. i won't be out there blow harding, talking up a big game without talking it up. i think the next president needs to be a lot quieter but send a signal that we're prepared to act in the national security interests in this country, to get back into the business of creating a more peaceful world. please clap. >> kelly, what got people's attention is that he gave this long dissertation and had to ask the crowd to clap. is he feeling the energy behind him on the trail? >> reporter: i didn't cite that
specific example but i said, has this been a humbling experience? he said, yes, it has in fact been difficult and it's something that tests you every day and there are hard moments. knowing jeb bush over the years, he has a very dry sense of humor and that sometimes translates better in the room than it does on television. but it also speaks to some of the awkwardness, for lack of a better word, of his relationship with voters in some places and it is a test. it's really a test. sometimes people feel it in the room and they get on their feet without any prompting and sometimes they don't. and so will that matter in terms of how people vote? jeb bush has long ties here. he's got resources. he's trying to say he is in this race and voters will give us an answer on that on tuesday.
kate? >> kelly o'donnell, very interesting conversation with jeb bush. we look forward to seeing the tape. kelly, thanks so much. up next, marco rubio about to hold his second town hall today with the new poll showing him gaining ground in new hampshire. but a big endorsement has already had a stumble today. we'll tell you about that, up next. ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ "hi this is conor.usic sorry i missed you. i'm either away from my desk or on another call.
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and now we're up 400,000. why is that? well, we've reformed all of the regulations. if the regulations are dumb, we get rid of them. my lieutenant governor is in charge of that. secondly, we've reduced taxes. if you're a small business, you will pay no small income tax. you could pass your business onto your kids without having to sell your business without paying your taxes. now that we've killed a death tax, we're working on killing death. we haven't mid-that made that much progress. we've also restrained and restrained government. now we're up 400,000 jobs because the signals are right. the same thing has to happen in washington. regulation, we have more. taxes, they've gone up. fiscal restraint, we've busted through all of the disciplines that the congress violated them
all you've got to freeze a bunch of stuff and bob walker and i served together when we balanced the budget and reformed welfare. i'm proposing we eliminate one department, which is the commerce department, which we take the vital functions and we stick them and not duplicate. we have so many duplications. he has a lot of great ideas. he's like, maybe we should put labor together. i like that idea. how can you have education without labor. you've got to get people trained for the jobs that exist and are coming. you've got to have all kinds of ideas. now, we know how to do this because we've done it before. for example, we would freeze all of the nondefense spending and we could increase defense spending because we have to while we reform the pentagon and we would take our entitlements of medicare and reduce it from 7 to 5 and medicaid from 5 to 3 based on the things that have worked primarily in our state
and other reforms that will make sure that those programs last but also contribute to a balanced budget. so when you -- now, here's the problem. anytime you try to balance a budget, as i've mentioned earlier, everybody likes it except everybody who is here. you have to be somebody who can rides up and do it for the long-term economic strength of our country and that's what i've done all of my career. so i not only fight these things, i get them done and that's what you need to have. does that answer your question? yes, sir. >> thanks for your time today, governor. >> we've been listening in on john kasich in pelham, new hampshire, is where he is. we like to dip in and give you a sense at home for what's happening here in new hampshire. marco rubio is also at an event
right now. we can't take that one because the signal is, frankly, not good enough for us to put it on tv for you. but his campaign going into high gear in second place in today's daily tracking poll. rubio is at his second of town halls in stratum. gabe gutierrez is covering the new hampshire primary and covered it in the last election. he's now out with marco rubio in manchester following his every move. he's already have one town hall this morning and this one is a bit different. >> reporter: yeah, that's right, kate. good morning. he has several town halls this morning, a total of four. he's trying to stay on message here, trying to position himself as part of a now three-man race he says between donald trump, ted cruz and marco rubio. trying to position himself the best candidate to take on hillary clinton and bernie sanders. he's focusing his attacks on
democrats. we're here at the political history of new hampshire. you can see a picture of eisenhower, richard nixon and then on the other side with mitt romney and hillary clinton and, yes, from the neighboring state of vermont, bernie sanders. now, the marco rubio campaign has taken some heat this morning from his critic who is say that he really hasn't accomplished much during his time in the senate. and what they expect in an endorsement from rick santorum, he's struggled to come up with any accomplishment and has responded several accomplishments, among them, v.a. accountability reform, his efforts to appeal obamacare and although critics say that his efforts to do that and to fight the obamacare bailout, that he hasn't -- that those efforts were overstated.
also, sanctions against venezuela and hezbollah. but his critics are pouncing this morning and they are using that struggle by santorum to come up with any accomplishment. they are using that against marco rubio. he has become the target right now of the so-called establishment candidates, kate. >> he's become the target of quite a few people. chris christie was on "morning joe" as well calling him the boy in the bubble. has he responded to any of that at his events today? >> directly in these town halls, no, he has not. he's gone out of his way not to take on critics like donald trump directly. you mentioned chris christie. yesterday he was asked about those comments and he says that he's not -- he's not running against any one candidate. you know, he's trying to stay above the fray for the most part, although he has shot back against ted cruz. so far, he's really trying to be in the moment in these town halls and is responding to voters and trying to mount these
national campaigns, although he's sure to be asked about it later today from reporters. kate? >> gabe gutierrez following marco rubio's campaign from stop to stop. gabe, thank you so much. coming up, does donald trump have a legal case to contest the iowa results? we'll dig in to what he could do. and on the other side, a feisty debate on the way between hillary clinton and bernie sanders dividing their party over the definition of what is progressive. don't miss their first head-to-head debate tonight on msnbc, 9:00 p.m. eastern. vo: know you have a dedicated advisor and team who understand where you come from. we didn't really have anything, you know. but, we made do. vo: know you can craft an investment plan as strong as your values. al, how you doing. hey, mr. hamilton. vo: know that together you can establish a meaningful legacy. with the guidance and support of your dedicated
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primary. it's their last debate before that vote. msnbc's casey hunt covered the romney campaign in new hampshire back in 2012 and we can't even log how many countless hours you've spent on the road covering campaign events. it's about 45 minutes to our east. he's with us here in manchester. casey, let me start with you. you're at the site of the democratic debate but i want to ask you about the republican field for a minute because we're getting news about ben carson, someone we haven't talked about in the last few hours. ben carson is making rather dramatic cuts to his staff. casey? >> reporter: that's right, kate. we've learned that he is going to dramatically diminish his staff, up to 50 people potentially being cut. they say these are nonessential staffers but this sort of speaks
to the way that the carson has been all along. and he's also had one of the highest burn rates so he spent the money just as fast as it has been coming in. and the reality is, a lot of that came through the fall when he was first having his moment, if you will, and he was rising particularly in iowa polls. but that fell back, of course, after the attacks in paris and in san bernardino and he struggled to answer questions about his national security and he fell short in iowa coming out of there. he's been engaged in a spat with ted cruz and they were spreading rumors that carson dropped out to try to convince supporters. there are many republicans who support cruz who are privately hoping that carson drops out and
if you talk to establishment folks who are looking to see a jeb bush or somebody along those lines break through, they will tell you the better it is, it's better for them in carson stays in this race. >> i'm looking at my list and there is a long, two-page list of where everybody is. ben carson is not even on the list. are we nearing potentially -- and i don't want to get ahead of ourselves, but are we getting close to a point where he might not be with us? >> i think we've seen this coming for a while. iowa was going to be a state if you were a social conservative, or evangelical, as kasie said, we've seen lots of deep problems with not just the carson
campaign. >> we've seen staffers resign right before christmas or after christmas and then the finance director who i spoke with a couple weeks on the air, he left. >> and resigning publicly because they are not happy about the direction of the campaign. >> not the finance manager, to be clear, though. >> let's talk about the democrats. kasie, i'll go back to you. the stage is behind you. set the stage for the faceoff. you've been talking with bernie sanders and had a chance to talk with him. >> reporter: that's right, kate. i spoke with senator sanders two days ago and we're still sort of having this conversation about progressive versus moderate. if you want to take a quick listen to how it all started, i think we have that sound for you. >> some days, yes. except when she announces that she's a proud moderate and that niece not a progressive.
i think, frankly, it's very hard to be a real progressive and to take on the establishment in a way that i think has to be taken when you become as independent as she has through her super pac and in other ways on wall street or drug company money. >> reporter: i had asked him whether or not hillary clinton was a progressive and that was his answer. hillary clinton turned around and called that a low blow. it's clear that she and her campaign have taken that charge pretty personally, characterizing it as a negative personal attack on hillary clinton. she, of course, arguing that she has a progressive record that extends all the way back to right when she graduated from law school and went to work forth children's defense fund and then going on to be first lady, fighting for the children's health insurance program and other accomplishments. so at this point they are trying to remind, especially these young voter who is might not remember the things she accomplished earlier in her career and in public life that
she has had a track record of progressivism. in many ways, it represents a wider, a broad split and debate within the democratic party about what the best way is to try and the progressive values or sanders who says we need a revolution for the entire political system. clinton's critique being of course, that that's ultimately not going to be a realistic possibility. >> yeah. that's sort of the overlay, alex, of all of this. but what do we see tonight, do you think, in terms of other fault lines? where are we going to see the biggest differences between these two? >> you know, as kasie said, i think this is the core issue, the core framework that everything fits into and there's a lot of smaller issues that both candidates are trying to make an issue of. for clinton, it's going to be guns. she's been campaigning up here with gabby giffords and her husband mark kelly.
she can get to the left of bernie sanders and undercut the fact that he's going to stand up to powerful interests. on his side, he's going to be talking about wall street, campaign finance, super pacs. the notion that hillary clinton is in the tank for these interests is he's probably going to bring up speaking fees. she kind of stumbled on an answer when asked about why she took the $675,000 from goldman sachs last night and so it's fresh fodder for him to talk about. >> kasie hunt, thank you so much to both of you. we'll see you soon. more ahead, live from manchester new hampshire, just hours from now we'll have the head-to-head debate of the democratic presidential election cycle. it's right here on msnbc. clinton versus sanders. that happens at 9:00 p.m. tonight. we were born 100 years ago
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set their sights on each other. and adding to the pressure, it's also the last debate for the democrats before the first in the nation primary here in new hampshire. we already have developing news at this hour. new polls to show you. the latest tracking poll from umass lowell, clinton closing the lead by sanders. she's up six points in the state since monday. sanders down three. what does that mean? the two are arguing over clinton's closeness to wall street and who is the real progressive. >> i do not know any progressive who has a super pac and takes $15 million from wall street. >> i find it amusing that senator sanders is