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better than anybody had run it in a long time so i have an idea of what it's going to take to make our government work nor efficiently. when you put together a budget, you have to make a lot of hard decisions, but i think it's not appropriate to say i'm going to ged rid of that until you have a good process that gives you the information about what to do. i want to add something else because, look, we have so much work to do in our country and i think it's the greatest work that americans will be called to do and of course we have to have people in every community involved in it. we have to have the political voice, the political grass roots speaking up and speaking out about what we have to try to accomplish in washington, but we also need to have a very clear set of goals that we are going to achieve and we need to level with the american people about what they are, what they will cost, what will be expected of our citizenry. so i see as president having a
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constant dialogue with americans. here's what we're trying to get done, here's why i need your help, here's why you may think comprehensive immigration reform isn't something you care about, but i'm telling you it will help fix the labor market, it will bring people out of the shadows. you have to make those connections so you have people with you every step of the way. that's what i want to do. >> thank you. before we go, i want to ask secretary clinton you've made it clear when you look at senator sanders you do not see a president. >> i did not say that. >> do you see a vice president? would you unit the party by trying to pick senator sanders as a running mate. >> i'm not getting ahead of myself. if i'm fortunate to be the nominee, the first person i call to talk to about where we go and
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how we get it done will be senator sanders. >> would you consider the secretary? >> i agree with what the secretary said. we shouldn't be getting ahead of ourselves. sometimes in campaigns things get a little bit out of hand. i happen to respect the secretary very much. i hope it's mutual and on our worst days i think it is fair to say we are 100 times better than any republican candidate. >> that's true. that's true. >> secretary clinton, closing statements, you are first. >> first exhibit thanks to msmbc and thanks to all of you for holding this debate before the
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new hampshire primary. i am going to campaign as hard as i can between now and tuesday to earn your votes in that primary and i hear some talk that people are trying to decide do they vote with their heart, do they vote with their head, i'm asking you both your heart and your head to vote with you on tuesday because we have a lot of work that can only come because your heart is moved. we didn't get to talk about the continuing struggles that americans face with raisism, with sexism with discrimination, with people with disabilities. yes we have income and equalities that we need to stand up against and diminish from your society. i have been moved from my heart ever since i was a young woman about the age of a lot of senator sander supporters worrying what i can do to make a difference for my countries and i will bring that heart with me,
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but we have to get our heads together to come up with the best archss to solve problems so people can have real answers for now and the future. >> senator sanders. >> my dad came to this country at the age of 17 from poland. didn't have any money, couldn't speak english, he died pretty young and i think it would have been beyond his wildest dreams to see his son up here on this stage today running for president. i love this country and my dad loved this country and he was the most proud american because of what it gave him in terms of raising his family, even though we never had much money, but today in america we are the only major country on earth that doesn't guarantee health care to
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all people, that doesn't guarantee paid family and medical leave, we have the highest rate of childhood poverty of almost any major country on earth. we are seeing millions of families unable to send their kids to college in the united states of america. i'm running for president because i believe it is just too late for establishment politics and stackment economics. i do believe we need a political revolution where millions of people stand up and say loudly and clearly that our government belongs to all of us and not just a handful of wealthy campaign contributors. thank you all. >> there you have it. i promise you rachel and i have a lot more questions, but we don't have any more time unless we can convince them to do a third hour, but i don't think so. our post debate coverage will continue in just a moment with
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our colleagues. we want to thank all of you for being here. >> we want to thank our host, the university of new hampshire and the people of new hampshire. you guys get to vote in just five days. we can't wait to see how it turns out. >> we'll see you in a few minutes. thank you.
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good eve. i think it's an extraordinary night in american politics in the first and only debate between hillary clinton and bernie sanders leading up to the primary next tuesday. the results of next tuesday night. at times tonight it got heated. clinton described herself as a progressive who likes to get things done and sanders called for wagging political revolution. he attacked clinton as representing the establishment and secretary clinton accused sanders of impugning her character and what she called an artful smear. that's a tough phrase to use to describe what he's been doing to her. we're going to talk to the debate moderators.
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joining me right now is nbc's andrea mitchell, casy hunt and the chairman of the democratic national economy. i have no idea where to start. i guess i have to start with my colleague of many years, which is andrea. be blunt. score this compared to the rece recent debates of the last 10 or 20 years. >> i think this is the best i've ever seen. i've participated in a couple, but this was a chance for these two democratic candidates to go up against each other and explain how they differ and they do differ and it was at times personal. i thought her artful smear. they've been arguing around and dancing around each other on who is more progressive, who is more liberal, who can get things, who is more electable, who is not
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electable, but this was direct contact and i have to say my colleagko colleagues, but the fact that rachel and chuck let them go at each other, steered the debate, didn't let it get out of the control, was really very -- >> i thought -- i'll second that in quantitative terms least number of words spoken by moderators. you can't remember their words they were so functional and direct. no calling attention to themselves. it was all about those two people up there. i think for a half hour they were mono which is what people have been dying for. >> they really gave the candidates the space to be able to go back and forth and actually similar to the forums that we've had get a broader view. >> aren't you glad you legalized this one. >> i'm glad our candidates have more opportunity to showcase the
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vision they have for america. >> right now in new hampshire 40% of people are still making up their minds. we saw a very complicated result come out of iowa. the previous debates, let's be honest, felt like an acc football game. this was scc. part of it was the complicated results coming out of iowa. part of it was a one-on-one debate. the one thing i have to say if i'm an independent voter -- >> isn't boston college in the acc? >> yes. >> are you putting them down? >> yes. >> you've been watching these debates for a while now and i thought it had some distinguishing characteristics. one is they were pretty much heavy weight sz up there and my bet is secretary clinton will close the gap and he will close the gap nationally.
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the statute of simply being on the stage as an equal. >> that's been the difference in that race over the last week. the sanders campaign say we needed to prove to the voters and there are so many supporters who say and he said these people say they back me, but bernie i can't vote for you because you could never win. >> i think the statute of being together -- by the way i don't know why he resisted this debate. my personal view is the best she had ever been because i thought she was so prepped. i think they were working on this all today. i think she was really well prepared. >> she was supposed to do several small events. i think she's fighting a cold. >> i saw the coffee being
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delivered down the hall and i think a hot water for the tea people. i really do think they were prepping all day today. >> bill clinton was not here. this is the first time he's not been here as counselor and advisor. he was in south carolina today and new york today. >> i have to say i'm worried -- if i were an independent voter in new hampshire and i'm trying to figure out just what ballot i'm going to pick, much less what candidate i'm going to pick, i'm not sure they got a lot out of this particular debate. >> what do you want? >> if i'm a person -- >> what didn't you get? >> i got a lot of conversation about what's a progressive and foreign policy. i got a clear definition in terms of what direction after obama the democratic party should take right now between sanders and clinton, but i don't have a person facing middle class anxieties right now trying to worry about if i'm going to be able to retire or send my kids to college if i'm going to be able to afford health care.
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>> let me suggest -- they debated funding private colleges or universities if it should be for everybody or people who need it, on health care and social security, they talked about all those things. >> they did, but i think in terms of an independent voter who is looking at this race and they're trying to decide between donald trump and bernie sanders, i'm not sure it's a decision for them. >> let me tell you something, all my krcareer i know these people. no matter how many debates, how much everything, they always say i'm looking for more information on the candidates. they're never going to have enough and they're going to walk into that voting booth and make up their mind. a lot of people like to say that to bust your chops because they want more. >> that's true in new hampshire they are very late deciders. >> what more information would they like tonight?
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this was a great debate. they each spoke an hour about everything. i thought they hit every button. >> they are two candidates who are getting to know each other better. they're starting to understand each other on the debates stage and you say hillary clinton making her most effective attack on bernie sanders, but you saw him punching right back. >> i think there were two points made from both. i thought secretary clinton and we use their first names because it has become hillary and bernie, i thought she was effective in defending herself. she said you're just using a comment there, a self description. by your standards the president is not a progressive, ted kennedy is not, but what she didn't defend was the system. he said wall street spends
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billions of dollars to get wa it wants. don't you think there's a connection between the deregulation. i think she was great on defending herself on point defense. he was excellent in attacking the system. >> voters watching this debate saw two candidates that absolutely have underscored they would stand up for consumers. they would breakup big banks. >> did hillary say that? >> she did. >> she'll breakup the banks. >> using the law as its written right now she would take that opportunity and senator sanders has made that cast. you talk about the independent voter in new hampshire listening to our candidates they know they have a candidate for president who is going to go to bat for them to be able to make progress. listening to the republicans they hear people who are hurling insults at one another and who want to take us back to the bush
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years with the economy was tanking. >> two pieces of news that given site to bernie sanders who does not have the killer instinct and i say this descriptively, he first of all is not going after and given the opportunity with the des moines editorial. he does want to reopen iowa. he said i'll get 22, i'll get 20, we need so many more delegates, it's not such a big deal, but he didn't really press on that. the second thing he missed, broke a story today that powell and rice's aids had received e-mails that retroactively classified. he is objecting to that, but hillary clinton cleearly used i to say this is what i've been saying all along that there's
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something wrong with the system. when given the opportunity again to go in for the kill on that bernie sanders again said i've never attacked you personally on that and i won't. >> to our candidate's credit -- >> there was a little aspect of he said i must say that every time i go anywhere people ask me about it, which is a nice way -- >> that's right. >> he made a point of getting to the fact you may be guilty, but i'm not going to say it. >> the debates have been substantive and focussed on the issues and that's what the voters want to hear. voters don't want to hear them beat the heck out of each other. they want to know because they're not certain of the ground they want to be inspired and given confidence. they have one party that's doing that and another party that is in the midst of a food food and can't insult each other enough.
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>> are democrats better people than republicans? >> come on. some of my best friends are republicans. >> that's all i wanted to hear. >> i would add a third point -- >> i have -- >> i have a third point. i think one thing we'll be talking about tomorrow morning is this question about releasing the transcripts of her -- >> what are these transcripts. >> he would not have asked that question if he didn't know. he asked the question would you release them and she said i'll look into that. >> there's two kind of honorary, the big whole honorary for the convention. those transcripts wouldn't be that important because she's talked to 5,000 people. are there other occasions where they talked to a board room for example for big money? >> i don't know that. >> why would the transcripts be important? >> she's been claiming all along
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that i'm invited to speak to these investment banks because they want to know my world view, what do i think of russia, what do i think of china, i'm a former secretary of state and all former secretary of states have done this. if the transcripts show that they were talking about something that involves a conflict of interest, i have no idea. but just to settle it, reassure the public that they are being brought inside these secret board rooms and they know what's going on. it's very hard -- >> did she ever pander to them. >> it's very hard for the average working person to believe that someone could make that much money from a speech and that there is nothing given in return if it's -- >> for a candidate like bernie sanders if it turns out she's saying one thing to a crowd of wall street and another thing on a debate stage. >> i want to thank everybody
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again. coming up we're going to hear much more from the candidates in tonight's debate hopefully. the debate moderators are going to join us because they join us and more debate highlights. it's all coming up in our live coverage from the first one on one debate between hillary clinton and bernie sanders continues after this. >> i was asked am i moderate or a progressive and i said i'm a progressive who likes to get things done and cherry picking a quote here or there doesn't change my record of having fought for racial justice, having fought for kids rights, having fought against the kind of inequities that fueled my interest in service in the first place going back to my days in the children's defense fund. every step along the way i have stood up and fought and have the scars to prove it.
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to my mind what we have got to do is wage a political revolution where millions of people have given up on the political process stand up and fight back, demand a government that represents us and not just a handful of campaign contributions, contributors. now, all of the ideas that i'm talking about, they are not radical ideas. >> what a debate. welcome back to the live coverage of tonight's democratic debate that just ended. you can tell it was the first one on one debate which is always better than any other debate. this one between bernie sanders and hillary clinton. joining me now are the moderators from tonight's debate. we've been saying it's the best debate anybody can remember. rachel, i thought what was great about it was we heard hardly anything from the moderators. here's the deal, go out there for two hours and argue with
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each other. your reaction. >> chuck and i worked really deliberately on trying to come up with a way that we could moderate this debate without participating in it ourselves basically by setting them to up to have these conversations that they've been having through their campaigns. neither the republicans or the democrats have had a one on one debate so tonight that was our main goal. >> chuck, at the beginning they were like wrestlers. they were using the usually material the first few minutes and then somewhere it ignited into this wonderful mono closely engaged debate that was the best thing i've seen in so long. >> i know. at one point i joked with rachel during one of the breaks after the first half hour i think we could have said lamp and they would have just gone after each. just pick a noun and they would
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have gone. i think it shows you that both candidates realize they're in a moment right now. let's be realistic, chris. the next three weeks are going to decide the trajectory of this race. it's not just here in new hampshire, it's nevada, it's south carolina. is it going to be two, two? is it three in one? what happens and i think, look, as rachel said our goal was not to debate them, but to do our best to let them debate and stay out of the way and i like to think we did that. >> i do feel like because of this debate i know more what is different between them than i knew before this debate. i'm in the throws of it but i feel like we got sharp definitions between them. >> it was intense. it was a little much. you come away, you're like, wow.
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>> you both should be proud of tonight's performance. by the way, those two candidates looked first rate tonight. thank you chuck todd and rachel maddow. back in the spin room we have the folks who run the campaigns. we have the hillary clinton campaign chairman and the senior advisor to the sanders campaign. let me start with john and this question i thought hillary clinton tonight was very prepared like she was that first debate. she answered a lot of questions that the opponent had raised before, she nailed it with that line about cherry picking and setting sanders up as kind of like the cranky guy. i thought she had great homework there and she showed it. >> well, i think she was great across the board really. i thought she demonstrated that she could do all aspects of the
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job of president. she had a very clear set of ideas about what she was for, not just what she was against. she dominated the national security part of the debate. i thought that was the weakest part of p senator sanders' performance. >> did you bother -- that you had to wait for foreign policy for an hour? >> i think the voters will make a judgment about how important that is to them, but in my mind that's one of the most critical parts of being president of the united states is can you take on the role of commander in chief and world affairs, keep the country safe, i think senator sanders could hardly have anything to say about afghanistan, he couldn't name which country was the biggest threat when given a list of three. >> he said north korea. >> he kind of wandered around and got there. first he said isis and then --
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>> i know what you're doing with. you're making him sound like a confused old guy. >> i'm not comparing him to ben carson. >> he was asked what's the greatest threat and he said isis. and chuck said no here are my ideas of the three biggest threats and he said i think north korea where they are atomic weapons. john's been to north korea. i know he's been there with president clinton. >> they only have one terrorist. >> he knows what it's like there. i think it was a good judgment. >> we talked about the first hour like the entire game was being fought on clinton's side of the field about the touch down. you guys were always talking about goldman sachs so you got the topic you wanted, right? >> it wasn't just our topic. i think that's where the voters are and i think it's smart for the voters to talk about.
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>> two words goldman sachs were on everybody's minds before you came along? >> it's a big issue. tonight hillary said she'll look into revealing the transcripts. i hope she does. >> this is what you're doing right now? >> she said she'll look into it. i hope she does. >> so we're going to get the transcripts of all the speeches she's done for money. >> that's what she said she would look into. i think it's a good idea. don't look into it too long. >> you just said it's not going to go away. >> not from me, from you, the press. >> this has been a campaign of innuendo. i think she called them out on that tonight about will she say to her face what he's been implying, which is that somehow that influences her positions. he wouldn't do it. he backed off and i thought she gave a strong defense of the fact that she stood up to wall
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street before the crash, she's got the most comprehensive wall street reform plan on the table right now in this campaign. >> i never heard of -- i never heard of a candidate asking another candidate to release transcripts of speeches she's given to thousands of people. >> she said she'll look into it. >> i don't know what that means. >> i have nothing to add to that. >> does that mean if she finding there are transcripts she'll release them. >> she said she'll look into them. will bernie release his e-mails? we can go back and forth. >> he doesn't want the e-mails. he wants the transcripts. the drum is beating and it just started beating again. i get it. people love a mystery. what did you like about tonight? >> i thought as i said i thought that she really came in with a positive case, not just the negative case, and i thought she prosecuted that well. and i think in the close really
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laid out a vision for the country where it can go. >> she looked happier than he did at the end of the debate. does that tell us anything? >> no. >> she did seem happier. >> many people may see other people as happier than bernie a lot of the time. we'll stipulate to that. >> thank you both. up next, we're going to find out whether the candidates changed any people's minds tonight. we have more from the spin room here at the university of new hampshire. live coverage continues after this. our spain hacampaign is a c of the people by the people for the people so rachel yes secretary clinton does represent the establishment. i represent, i hope, ordinary americans and by the way who are not all that inam order with the establishment. >> i have to just jump in here because honestly senator sanders
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i believe that we can get back to the right track, that i want to imagine a country where people's wages reflect their hard work, where we have health care for everyone and where every child gets to live up to his or her potential. i'm fighting for people who cannot wait for those changes and i'm not making promises that i cannot keep. >> i'm not making promises that i cannot keep. i think that was a call to arms from hillary clinton here. we're up at the university of new hampshire site of the debate between her and bernie sanders. msnbc is down on the debate floor with reaction from voters who were undecided before the debate. chris, take over. >> that's right. we have a little post debate analysis going on behind us on stage, but the real question were any minds changed. so amy and jimmy were with us before the debate. now the question is after the debate have you made up your
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minds? >> i have. >> really? >> i did. >> who? >> so after hearing everything they had to say, i decided to go with my heart and that's bernie sanders. >> what did he say that changed you? >> i think for me i heard what he has to say and i believe what he has to say. i think changing the way campaigns are run will help change the future of our country. so i believe in him. >> amy the moment of truth? >> i think i made a decision tonight and i think what was interesting was is i didn't come up with more reasons to vote for hillary as i did less for bernie. i think he is a tremendous individual, but it's not voteding four your favorite person, it's really who can get it done and i kept thinking about jimmy carter who i think is just one of the most tremendous human beings, but was not a great president. and he did so much great work. when bernie talks about this revolution, i don't know who is with him and it's really
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important that we have someone who can work with congress. this is going to be a really tough congress no matter what. i don't -- i don't think he can get us there and i really -- i believe in hillary's policies. i love what her plans are. i really am excited to vote for her. >> well, i honestly did not expect this. i saw the two of you talking. you were in intense conversation. you hadn't met each other before tonight. they were having these intense conversations before and the commercial breaks. one more quick point, i talked to a dozen voters who were leaving, the folks who were for hillary, still hillary and those for bernie they said bernie won easily, two people who were undecided did not make up their mind. >> thank you. i did think that young guy there with the facial hair was probably going to be with bernie, but that's a bad decision on my part to make that preefrp tifl.
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he was thoughtful as hell and so she was she. thank you for picking out two people. i talked to the mayor of boston fairly new in office who is going to bring a thousand volunteers up here this weekend to help his candidate hillary clinton. this is important because when hillary clinton pulled her big upset that the mayor of boston brought up volunteers up here to make a difference. so watch this on the ground the power of the boston people coming up here because the mayor of boston puts this stuff together. much more to come here from the spin room. we're learning stuff here including what the republicans are saying after seeing tonight's debate. you're watching msnbc live coverage from this beautiful campus of the university of new hampshire. now all of the ideas that i'm talking about, they are not
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radical ideas, making public colleges and universities tuition free, that exists in countries all over the world. used to exist in the united states. rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure and creating 13 million jobs by doing away with tax loopholes that large corporations enjoy by putting their money in tax havens that is not a radical idea.
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i also believe in a affordable college, but i don't believe in free college because every expert that i have talked to says look how will you ever control the costs.
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what i want to do is make sure middle class, not donald trump's kids get to be able to afford college in welcome back to our live coverage between hillary clinton and bernie sanders, the last debate before the new hampshire primary. i'm joined by msnbc colleagues and reaction from the other side. she covers trump well. let's put it this way. >> it's like a song. >> what was the connection watching it as you watched and listened to the republicans, what's ever overlay between the two? >> i thought it was interesting and to take donald trump who i have been covering so much and bernie sanders when it comes to money and politics, hillary clinton got hit hard tonight by bernie sanders and i think that is a real way there is a cross over between bernie sanders and donald trump. we are in new hampshire. there are a lot of undeclared voters in new hampshire and there are voters out there who
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like donald trump and like bernie sanders and because of that one big thing that they're not beholden to their donors that they're not taking money from banks and goldman sachs. >> any other republicans making that case? >> they're all taking from other people. they can't make it. >> essentially the two outlia - way back to jackson. >> it's so striking because she tried to make it appear you're a one note appoint, onupon knee. it was powerful. people reacted to that. >> he has built an entire campaign effectively on a very focussed message. there is a connection between citizens united, it's bad enough to have free enterprise, but here we have a market system running our political system.
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money more than votes is running it. >> it's unfair. >> first of all, it's completely coherent. he believes it 1,000%. that's been saying it for 30 years. he was talking about and you can go back and look at bernie sanders tape from the '80s. the point is that he -- when he is on message, he is extremely good at delivering that message and there was a lot of tonight that was fought on his terrain. she can't win exchanges about goldman sachs. >> the audience tonight was roaring for him. a lot of middle age people and students. they were very enthusistic. i was watching the faces of people. >> it's so hard for her because when he gets going and he starts yelling about income and
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equality, he's so passion nate about it. i had a foreigner friend who went to see him speak and he screams at you for 40 minute. she can't compete with that because when she starts yelling she sounds shrill. >> i'm watching it like a writer for snl tonight and i'm thinking when he does the things -- >> the moment -- there was that one moment where it got hot in a that room where she said it's an artful smear and he had said completely uncontrolled oh. >> did he say that? >> he said it. everyone was like oh my goodness. he goes oh like that. you could tell that moment was -- she said you're questioning my integrity. he said it's a -- i will say he is amazing when he's on his
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message. when he's not on his message, he is either basic talking points like he gives a standard line on immigration or totally out to sea like he was. >> there was a shot taken of him that i know what they're trying to do here, again talk about artful smears he was like confused about which is the most dangerous nation. i thought he went right too, north korea, but they're making it sound like he was drozy. >> they're making it sound like he lost the debate right there. >> age. >> what are they pushing. >> that's what i thought. everybody does this artful smearing. thomas jefferson said the whole art of politics is the art of telling the truth. >> they're staying with us and
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momentum. >> i think the bernie sanders hasn't made a bet that they don't care about foreign policy and the things that he lost on are the things that are not motivating debates. >> so he's picking the territory? >> i think so right now. >> i think by standing her next to this stage it elevated his campaign. >> how about locally in the new hampshire voting right now do you think she closed it at all tonight? 20 point spread right now. >> she made a strong case putding herself like the question of republicans in name only is bernie doing a test for democrats if so am i not a democrat. >> it's a lawyer's argument. >> i think that lead is way too big. >> how about you? >> i think she came off great on foreign policy. she showed experience and knowledge of the region. >> he said you have more
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>> he has voted with the gun lobby. >> enough is enough. >> so, i hope we keep it on the issues. >> we were told that my opponent was the inevitable nominee. she doesn't appear quite so inevitable today. >> there's so much at stake in this election.


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