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right now, bernie sanders is addressing voters at the politics and eggs breakfast. that's a pretty popular campaign event here in manchester. and we have gotten word in donald trump is now cancelling an event planned in londonberry due to the weather. we'll have much more on what impact it could have. let's look at some of the new polls that have come in just four days before the primary. our newest nbc/"wall street journal" maris poll has bernie sanders with a solid 20-point lead over hillary clinton. it comes on the heel of the pretty intense one-on-one debate we watched last night, which as the "washington post" notes, was, quote, far more intense and far more personal than it has been in the previous face-offs reflecting how close the race has become. one of the biggest clashes came over clinton's ties to wall street. >> being part of the establishment is, is in the last quarter, having a super pac that
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raises $15 million from wall street. >> i just absolutely reject that, senator. and i really don't think these kinds of attacks by insinuation are worthy of you. and enough is enough. if you've got something to say, say it. directly. but you will not find that i ever changed a view or a vote because of any donation that i ever received. i think it's time to end the very artful smear that you and your campaign have been carrying out in recent weeks. and let's talk -- let's talk about the issues. >> now that exchange highlighting the scrutiny clinton is facing over paid speeches she made to goldman sachs and other groups. chuck todd pressed her on whether she would make the transcripts from the speeches public. >> are you willing to release the scrtrin transcripts of your speeches?
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>> i'll look into it. i can only repeat the fact that i spoke to a lot of different groups with a lot of different constituents, a lot of different kinds of members, about issues that had to do with world affairs. >> we also watched sanders and clinton spar over what it means to be part of the establishment. >> secretary clinton does represent the establishment. i represent, i hope, ordinary americans, and by the way, who are not all that enamored with the establishment. >> honestly, senator sanders is the only person who i think would characterize me, a woman running to be the first woman president, as exemplifying the establishment. and i've got to tell you that it is -- it is really quite -- it's really quite amusing to me. >> now that echoed another dispute that's played out on the
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trail this week. it was inescapable, of course. sanders' recent charge that hillary clinton is not a real progressive. the issue sparked this much talked about response from hillary clinton. >> i am a progressive who gets things done. the root of that word progressive is progress. but i have heard senator sanders comments and it's caused me to wonder, who is left in the progressive wing of the democratic party? under his definition, president obama is not progressive because he took donations from wall street. vice president biden is not progressive because he supported keystone. >> and joining me now with more on last night's debate and what the candidates are up to today, with me on set, nbc's andrea mitchell, covering the clinton campaign, and kasie hunt, she's at the sanders event going on right now. kasie, that event is going on as we speak. i want to go to you first to get
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the follow-up tone the day after. what are you hearing from the sanders campaign? >> tamron, good morning. i think you're hearing from the sanders campaign what we have been hearing all the way along. at this politics and eggs breakfast, a tradition in new hampshire, with the snow falling outside. essentially giving his sanders stump speech. talking about wall street reform, you know, the way that the economy, he says, is rigged against the middle class. we're hearing essentially the same things we heard from him on the debate stamg last night. privately, the campaign is saying they feel as though he came through that debate pretty well. they acknowledge that hillary clinton did look strong in the first half in particular of it, but they feel like senator sanders has improved as a debater, and he stood up next to her on stage as something as an equal, which is in some ways a shift for this campaign. now, going forward today, he has several events across the granite state. one of which is expected to be
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an endorsement from former president of the naacp. of course, hillary clinton has a significant advantage among african-american voters and trying to make inroads with minority communities is going to be imperative for sanders if he's going to actually make this campaign last longer than just these early states. one other thing i would add, tamron, is his campaign is also focusing in on the independent voters in new hampshire, trying to cast them as the first real general election test, trying to argue if sanders can win over the independents. it's going to be evident he can do well in a general election. >> well, let me bring in andrea. as you know, you have covered this better and longer than anyone in the campaign, and the clintons. it's always intriguing to see the day after. a lot of these answers are in the heat of the moment. they're not anticipating some of the great follow-ups they saw from our team on the ground, chuck and rachel. so what do you hear the clinton campaign this morning trying to
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clean up, trying to nuance, trying to get a better handle on? >> they're actually trying to drill down. and if sanders keeps coming at them on the speeches, they are going to keep coming back at him with the really tough line she took last night. look, they've got a two-prong problem. >> the artful smear line? that got a boo from the audience. there were a lot of college students there. >> it was more of asunders crowd. >> absolutely. >> than a clinton crowd, but they were planning to do that because they felt that 20 points behind in our new poll, and they know that they're behind with women. they're behind with young people. but they need to try to topple him a little bit and make him more aerobalanoff balance. call him out on the fact he is, they believe, trying to have it both ways. saying he's running an upbeat, positive, not negative campaign, and at the same time, going after her with very implicit but obvious hits like the wall street ad they ran in iowa,
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which talked about wall street speeches. there's only one person who is running for president that that covers right now, and that is hillary clinton. >> obviously. we would call it perhaps passive aggressive in regular speak, but artful smear is what she chose to use. here you have, though, the follow-up question from chuck todd about are you prepared to release the transcripts. i was at a watch party. when that question was posed to her, there's a pause and then twitter lit up with the answer is no. >> and the answer was, i'll look into that, which means no. and then john podesta was on, the campaign manager, afterwards with chris matthews in the msnbc special, and the answer was, as she said, we'll look into that, which is a way of kind of blowing it off. look, we couldn't even get advance notice during her book tour when it was obvious she was going to run for president despite what she said last night, where she was speaking. there was no schedule put out. private speeches. no accountability other than her
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end of the year, you know, filing, income filing, as to what she made and how much she made. so all of this has been pretty secret stuff. and i think it's going to be unlikely that they would release these transcripts. it would be great. i think it would do a lot to try to persuade people, especially the younger generation that's having so much difficulty with her on the honesty question and authendicity question, if she would put it out there and try to prove when she goes to these lunches or dinners with these big investment banks that she is talking about russia and china and using her expertise as a former secretary of state. >> a lot of questions were not about the e-mail scandal, as it's been referred, but there was a headline from there that's gotten some scrutiny. let's play what secretary clinton said about her e-mails in defense, and brought up condoleezza rice as well as colin powell. let's play it. >> it came out that secretary powell and close aides to former
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secretary rice used private e-mail accounts. and now you have these people in the government who are doing the same thing to secretary powell and secretary rice's aides. they have been doing to me, which is that i never sent or received any classified material. they are retroactively classifying it. i agree completely with secretary powell who said today, this is an absurdity. i think the american people will know it's an absurdity. i have absolutely no concerns about it whatsoever. >> andrea, in a statement, colin powell said i wish they would release them so a normal air-breathing mammal would look at them and say what's the issue? he also said the e-mails, quote, were unclassified at the time and they are in my judgment still unclassified. what's the takeaway? >> this was nbcnews.com, by our colleague, and he reported yesterday exclusively that in fact, there
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had been unclassified retroactively classified e-mails sent to two former secretary of state offices. one to colin powell personally on his e-mail and the other to deputies of condoleezza rice who did not use e-mails while she was secretary of state. this would validate the hillary clinton campaign quickly leaped on, saying this validates her claim all along that she's being targeted by republicans, that in fact this is a common practice. not a great practice, but the fact is the only way to communicate with these unclassified systems is to -- the only way to do business in the state department when you're traveling long distances, people are communicating from overseas, they didn't have mobile devices that were classified, is to let people know who importaen impor things are happening, and the ambassadors in pakistan, it's important to let the secretary know, and you send the message to the gmail account. it's not what should be done, but it's done all the time and
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still is being done. >> important to note in the debate, bernie sanders said it's not his priority to politicize this. he took a different tone from the last debate when he basically said he doesn't give a darn about it. >> the fact is this report, this news that ken broke, does help her. >> yeah. >> although colin powell, we should point out, had two separate accounts. he used state.gov, she did not. she's the only secretary of state we know of, the only top official we know of who had only a private account. >> sitting next to andrea, e.j. dionne. you have a great column out today which i think reflected a lot of what we saw at the debate, both in the watch room and in the auditorium. you say why democrats can't seem to decide between clinton and santers. there is this back and forth from social media, which i hate to point to because half of it is anonymous and unverified, but we use it now as a barometer. you say most share clinton's view that gradual reform is the
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most practical way forward, but most also agree with sanders that even moderately progressive steps will be stymied if money's influence is left unchecked. you do have this group of people who are looking at both of them and saying, it's not bad, which is a different story from the gop, where you actually have campaigns that say anyone but trump. you don't see the democrats saying anyone but bernie, anyone but hillary. >> well, one of the big things about the democratic race is that on the whole, democrats have favorable views of both of these candidates. there are a lot of bernie people who fundamentally like hillary and say if she wins, i'll vote for her, and there are hillary people who like bernie. i think this divide is a divide within democrats. not just between camps of democrats. that there are a lot of democrats who hear clinton and say, you know, trying to go in one big step to single payer rather than building on obamacare is a mistake. i think a lot of democrats are inclined to build on obamacare.
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on the other hand, they agree very much with bernie that the big money in the system is corrupting and is making it harder to get progressive reform. and democrats have done a poor job of mobilizing and organizing, particularly among voters who don't vote. and so i think a lot of democrats would like some of clinton's ideas supported by some of sanders' reforms. >> i want to play quickly and i want both of you to respond because you covered 2008. we know the speech where hillary clinton said 18 million cracks in the ceiling. did the cracks matter? let's play what she said regarding young people and being able to connect with them. >> i am the strongest candidate to take it to the republicans and win in november. and i say that with great -- with great respect for the campaign that senator sanders has been running. i personally am thrilled at the numbers of people, and particularly young people, who are coming to support your campaign. i hope that i will be able to
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earn their support. they may not support me now, but i support them, and we'll work together. >> but so far, she's not earning their support. she was down 70% in iowa. here, the poll shows 50-plus. i was in a room filled with young women around 20, 22, who took issue when hillary clinton said, i can't be part of the establishment because i am a woman. they took issue with it. >> it is fascinating to watch this. i have never seen this development because we're at a generational divide. and when they were playing the video to try to explain who she is, after bernie sanders said she was new to the movement, and so they started playing this video at her campaign rallies showing her coming out of college as a young law professor, as the young first lady of arkansas, always working for children's defense fund, that's part of her speech, that does not mean anything to many of these young women.
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they have no reference point to it. they have no reference point to whatever her struggles were, personally and professionally. and the fact that she was in the forefront of many of these movements back when not that many women were. it does not seem relevant. >> e.j., what is the strategy, when you look at the desired tv audience, 18 to 49, 25 to 55, that's the cable news audience orthe ideal. in the demo, so either they're not watching what's happening day to day, or they don't care. how does she connect with these people? and again, the oldest guy in the room is connecting. so it's not about age. it's all message. >> but bernie is a kind of retro cool person because he's out there. he clearly says what's on his mind. and i think it's easy for young people to identify with someone who says, i really want to overturn this corrupt system. revolution is a good word for young people. and clinton is in a kind of box
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because she says, i have been a progressive all my life. and in order to make that case, she has to go back a ways. and in going back a ways, she underscores that this stuff all happened a long time ago. yet it's legitimate evidence to present. >> e.j. and andrea, yesterday so many kids referenced the black and white pictures they have seen of bernie as if this is proof, we weren't there, but there's proof. there are black and white pictures of hillary clinton as well. in her ad, but it's not resonating. one other student told me, i'm all about bernie. when i go home, it's the biggest fight between me and my parents who support hillary clinton. >> this is back to the '60s. >> it reminds me of our dinner table in the '60s. >> this also is a challenge to clinton. let us assume this race moves out of new hampshire. she has to get by this week. this is a difficult week for her, and then she starts winning. at the end of this campaign, she is really going to need bernie
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sanders. and she referenced that in the debate. >> clearly. >> somehow or other, she's going to need bernie sanders to be in there, mobilizing these young people and saying, look, you didn't get me, but she's a lot closer to me than these other guys. >> he's still part of the team. >> she said he would be the first call he would make. >> that was really telling, i thought. >> thank you, e.j., thank you, andrea. >> still ahead, much more from new hampshire, including whether last night's debate was able to sway any of those undecided voters or those who call themselves in this state undeclared. plus, newly released voice mail recordings are adding fuel to it reports that ted cruz's campaign falsely told iowa caucusgoers that ben carson was dropping out of the race. the impact this could have. >> this is the cruz campaign with breaking news. dr. ben carson will be suspending campaigning following tonight's caucuses. >> what cruz's campaign has to say about those e-mails, and we're coming live to you from a snowy manchester, new hampshire.
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at a beautiful scene, but one certainly that could impact some of the events today. this is manchester, new hampshire. we are just about an hour from hillary clinton kicking off a blockbuster event at the ywca, surrounded by high profile female leaders including prominent senators and the president of emily's list. and today's event comes at a
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time when an nbc/"wall street journal"/maris poll shows her four points behind sanders among women in new hampshire. joining me now at 30 rock is steve kornacki. listen, we know in the audience, we heard applause during certain lines and i keep bringing up this watch party with random selection of young people who attend the university of new hampshire. just gauging, unscientific, their reaction to some of the things hillary clinton said. put all of that aside. the polls show a trend, and it appears the clinton campaign has got to address this in some strong way. and this event today may certainly be a strong start for her. >> i mean, what you're talking about there, it really is striking. when you look at the gender gap, and look, in new hampshire, bernie sanders is way up. he's going to be doing well, relatively speaking, with every group. a lot better with men, but he is leading with women. when you look at the age split, when you break down the female vote in new hampshire, this is what's really striking. i think we can put this on the
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screen, among women 45 or younger, bernie sanders is actually 29 points ahead of hillary clinton. 64% to 35%. among women over 45, hillary clinton leads by almost ten points. 52% to 43%. what's driving that slight advantage overall with bernie sanders among women is a huge advantage for bernie sanders among younger women. then hillary clinton doing much better among older women. wie saw that in iowa, nationally as well. we talk about a gender gap and a much bigger, and maybe without precedent, an age gap this size. >> yeah, and we're looking at this event i mentioned. it will include lilly ledbetter, emily's list president, jeanne shaheen, kristen jill ahand, amy klobuchar, it wasn't long ago that there was another big event, all of the female senators there, and notably
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missing from that was elizabeth warren. so this will be interesting as well in this neck of the woods, as my buddy al roker likes to say, and further on. >> absolutely. you think back to new hampshire. you think back, hillary clinton had a come from behind win in new hampshire over barack obama in 2008. one of the things that people picked up on in the polls, this thing where all the polls ahead of time shows barack obama ahead. people said what happened? what it looked like happened was women voters in new hampshire at the last minute up there really rallied around her. you remember that debate just a couple nights before the election, it looked like barack obama and john edwards, he was running back then, were ganging up on hillary clinton. barack obama called her likable enough in that debate. it seemed that that stirred a backlash among female voters at the last minute in new hampshire in 2008. that was part of the reason she pulled off the upset win. >> quickly before we run out of time, hillary clinton traveling to flint, michigan, on sunday. i heard someone onory air say that that would be a clear,
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quote/unquote, play for some of the attention from african-american voters. i don't know if that's accurate or not, but you have the former leader of the naacp endorsing bernie sanders, so this will be an interesting turn of events when we get to south carolina, where here we're talking a lot about women. we'll talk about african-american and women there. >> exactly. the endorsement for bernie sanders is potentially very significant. he has been putting an incredible effort over the last six, nine months to making inroads with black voters. he does not have to date much to show for it, but this is a pretty major endorsement. if you're the sanders campaign, your theory has been we're going to surprise people in iowa, win big in new hampshire, they hope at least, and that's going to shake things up so much that you go to south carolina, and the expectations that we have now will be revisited. if he can put a win on the board in a big way in new hampshire and have someone like ben jealous coming out for him, maybe he has the ingredients in place to make south carolina a
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well, we know this morning all over the country, bernie sanders and hillary clinton supporters came out to watch last night's democratic debate. after the debate, i spoke with a group of sanders supporters. all of them students at the university of new hampshire to hear a little of their realtime reaction. >> hillary, yeah, she definitely is a democrat, and as a party, they're all definitely in a great place. bernie just with the amount of change that he's willing to throw in there and at least getting the conversation started, that's the key thing right there. >> hillary clinton was asked if she would release the transcripts from her paid speeches. >> interesting that she said oh, i'll look into it and skirted past the issue instead of being direct and saying, well, maybe my track record is questionable or saying, you know, i have full confidence that this will end up fine. because i trust my ability to be honest with the american people. she was kind of like, maybe i'll look into that. in other words, don't talk about that. >> i think also nafta was one of
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bernie's strongest points because the trade agreements have really crippled our economy, and working families, because not everybody is going to go to college. and you know, a lot of our best years in this country came from a strong working class. and that's gone now because there's no more jobs for them. and obviously, the higher ups in these corporations are going to want to save all the money they can so they can keep getting bigger bonuses. so i think, and bill clinton was the one who signed nafta into law. so how progressive are the clintons? >> so the majority of sanders and clinton supporters may not be swayed to switch support after last night's debate, but what about the small percentage of people who are undecided. dante spent sfrbl elections studying the state and the impact they can have on the election. he also has a new book out. thanks so much for joining us.
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let me pick up on that young, the last student who talked about the trade agreement. that really hit home. working class. he's in college, but there's a realization, everyone won't have that journey. what happens to the middle-class worker, the family that perhaps got together to send him to college. >> that's where bernie sanders has really been different from what's come before in new hampshire primaries. we have seen progressive, insurgent candidates challenging the status quo of the establishment candidate, but bernie sanders is reaching those working class, lower middle class voters who feel like the great recession left them even further behind. they haven't recovered. he's reaching those people as well as your kind of upscale progressive voter. >> are the priorities for the voters here, whether they're undeclared or not, the same as we're seeing trend line throughout the country? is it truly the economy, obviously for the republicans, maybe the list is a little different, the focus on terrorism, national security, but what are you seeing?
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>> certainly on the democratic side, there's a pent-up demand for change. i think they look back on the obama administration. they say, they did okay, but not great. and i think that's a big part of the indecision. do we go with someone who's going to continue with hillary clinton or someone who presents the idea of radical change from bernie sanders. >> when they say, and you have talked to a number of these voters, radical change, how is that defined? is that a blow up the system? what does that mean, and how does it factor into what we have talked about in iowa and here now, this white anger, south carolina will talk less about it, i'm betting, but here, it's this white anger. do they want to blow up the system? >> for bernie sanders, of course, i thing young voters in particular are looking for someone who is going to wipe the slate clean. >> what does that mean for them? >> for them, they look at politics, the status quo, and they say this isn't working. we need something completely different. they may not be sure exactly what it is, but they are prone
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to say, let's make radical change and see what happens. >> real quick, trend line here, what do you believe we're heading toward with some of the trends you're seeing? >> in terms of the primaries, i would say tightening on the democratic side. i mean, i don't think last night's debate was a decisive change, but tightening as democrats come home to hillary clinton. and it's going to be those independent voters who may provide the margin of victory and a comfort level for bernie sanders. >> always great to talk to you. thank you for joining me. still ahead, developing news from ted cruz's campaign. reaction to newly released voice mail messages from his staffers on iowa's caucus night. we're going to play you these voice mails. part of this big debate over whether it had influence on the caucusgoers. stim talking about iowa. plus, marco rubio. he's gaining ground in the polls, and now in second place in new hampshire. the latest from the campaign trail. we're coming back to you live from manchester. we'll be right back.
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ted cruz continues to be dogged by accusations today his campaign employed dirty tricks on his way to winning the iowa caucuses. newly released recordings are adding to reports that cruz's campaign falsely told iowa caucusgoers that ben carson was dropping out of the race. brightbart got ahold of two voice mails received by a cruz precinct captain. nbc news has not independently verified the call you're about to hear, bument we can confirm that the calls like them were made. >> this is a cruz campaign with breaking news. ben carson will be suspending campaigning following tonight's caucuses. please inform any carson
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caucusgoers of the news and urge them tool caucus for ted instead. >> we're weighing in on the calls. he called cruz's questionable tactics there. hallie jackson is here with the latest from the cruz campaign. it's hard to believe that we're still talking about iowa here. but this is clearly a sticking point. >> right. here we are, just a couple days away from the new hampshire primary and yet it's ted cruz dealing with fallout from back in iowa. let's break it into two parts. first, cruz kwam pain's response to all of this, the voice mails coming out. a spokesperson said the senator has already apologized for not more quickly making a clarification. the clarification being that carson wasn't suspending his campaign. he was going home to basically change his clothe in florida before moving on. there is no evidence that our sharing of this news story impacted carson's campaign. he well outperformed expectations. the spokesperson adding it should surprise no one that carson essentially announcing he would take time off the trail
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would be a news story, pointing out it's unusual for candidates to do that between the early voting states. you can see the rest of the statement there. interestingly, the cruz camp, and the senator himself has said, listen, these are people trying to make hay. my political opponents, sort of sour grapes after the iowa caucus win. that is interesting because governor brand stadt have history. he said it would be a mistake to pick ted cruz because of his stance on the renewable fuel standard, because of ethanol. the cruz campaign is not surprised he would be coming out calling these questionable tactics. >> we have with us alley vutal. it was trump who sounded the alarm saying these were dirty tricks. but trump has his own issues this morning. he had to cancel this event in new hampshire. he decided to fly back rather than stay in new hampshire last night. he flew back to new york. this is what created this
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snowball effect. >> and this is actually one of the downsides to donald trump's kind of traditional campaign. is he is someone who doesn't stick around on the ground very much. we did have those stories when he was in iowa about him staying at a holiday inn. that was a news story which isn't a normal news story for most campaigns. most candidates stay on the ground. on a day like today, you can be like marco rubio, john kasich, chris christie, or jeb bush, who is campaigning today. donald trump does have something planned for south carolina tonight as well. he'll be down there. this is not just a new hampshire strategy for him. he is looking here, looking to make his pitch to new hampshire voters. he is up in the polls, but he's also looking ahead. >> what is the danger, and i'll ask you both, what is the danger here? he's stillleti letading in the , but he was leading in every poll going into iowa. new hampshire likes to be considered independent, they don't want you to skip over them to go to south carolina or
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anywhere else. what are the dangers here and could we look at a follow-up to iowa where the polls don't match what we're seeling? >> with trump, what we're seeing here, and there has been a difference in the stump speech. he's been here, he's been boisterous, cursing, using colorful language, sticking with his more excitable lines about building a wall and his strategy with isis. what we're also seeing is last night and the night before, he didn't talk about polls. he did chbn't do his normal rif about i'm leading everywhere. >> he would call this low energy. what is going on here? >> he's also pitching more of himself rather than tearing other people down, which is a marked shift between iowa and new hampshire. >> while iowa hasn't necessarily had the best track record of picking the ultimate nominee, new hampshire does much better in that. there's maybe a little more at stake or a little more at play for donald trump here. >> there's been, you know, obviously said over and over, it was iowa who said santorum and huckabee. new hampshire who said romney and mccain. as sobering as the people here
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like to see it, a sobering of the party. but when you're not on the ground, this makes it very interesting. albeit one event, he's still going on to south carolina. >> yes, and honestly, that's what you gain by staying on the ground here. with four days left to go, you want to show that you're committed, that you're here, and you're willing to get through the snow to trek through the snow and be with voters. he doesn't have that option. >> we'll see if ted cruz capitalizes on that. you have ted cruz, and we're still positioning and the numbers still position this as the ted cruz/donald trump show versus again, kasich, who is trying to get traction, jeb bush who is trying to get attention with his family on the road. you still have that. >> it's interesting because ted cruz, you look at maybe a month ago, wasn't expected to spend so much time in new hampshire this week. south carolina is more of a state where he would naturally fit. it has the more social conservative group, unlike new hampshire where that sector is smaller. he's trying to make a play for the libertarian slice now that rand paul is out of the race. it's interesting, raising some
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eyebrows that cruz is spending so much time here, but they're looking where they are in the polls and the campaign realizes if they can come in and surprise people here, it will give them good momentum heading to the south. >> you mentioned christian conservatives, there was a report out yesterday that new hampshire is the least religious state. half the people don't identify with an organized religion. >> 23%, 23% of people identified as evangelical, which is much smaller than iowa. but with the way the race is right now with the establishment candidates splitting up the establishment vote, 37% was the winner in 2012. now, everybody is at 10%, 11%, 12%. if cruz, the thinking goes, can consolidate even the 20%, that may be enough to put him over the edge over some of the establishment candidates. then you look at our poll today, he hasn't been doing that. >> this preview, quickly, of the debate on saturday for the gop, what are we anticipating the big headline other than donald trump showing up? >> i think what he tries to set up in a lot of these debates is
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everyone is going to be punching out at him and he's the target. that has largely been true, but if the stump is any indication of what we have been seeing lately, we'll see someone who is more subdued, who focuses more on policy and why his business acumen is the right pitch for voters. he has been taking more of that tone. >> his strategy has been more subdued. he had the fewest minutes as far as talking in the debate. completely different than when he's before all of his trumpeters, i believe. >> two notes on that. marco rubio will be under fire tomorrow night. you'll see him get attacked, and carly fiorina upset she's not on the stage, outperforming people who will be there tomorrow. >> that's a volalid argument. she did perform well in iowa. >> but she won't be there. >> greatly appreciate. we need to join the ladies behind us having the hamburgers. this is just cruel. i'm more of a burger person.
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i'll pass on the pickles. so generous here in new hampshire. next up, a family affair. we'll take a look at the new help jeb bush is getting from his mother and his brother. we're back in new hampshire.bur. none of it offers to me. we'll be right back. to me. we'll be right back. e to me. we'll be right back. d to me. we'll be right back. what if one piece of kale
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president obama will deliver a statement in just a short time from now following the release of the january jobs numbers. 150,000 jobs were added in january. the unemployment rate now down to 4.9% at the time where we had been discussing on the campaign trail, the economy, the middle class feeling squeezed and left behind by wall street and some of what happens in washington, dc. we'll hear more from the president regarding of these impressive jobs numbers. in the meantime, on the campaign trail, jeb bush is embracing his family's legacy before the
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primary. bush joined by former first lady barbara bush in new hampshire. the first time the presidential hopeful and his mom appeared together at an event and starting today, bush's super pac and featuring his brother, the former president. >> i know jeb. i know his good heart and his strong backbone. jeb will unite our country. he knows how to bring the world together against terror and knows when tough measures must be taken. experience and judgment count in the oval office. jeb bush is a leader who will keep our country safe. >> nbc's kelly o'donnell has been following the campaign. we know he's got the money. he doesn't have the traction. there's some movement here. is this the strategy, the ace in the hole, that they were preparing to bring out? especially here in new hampshire. >> well, i asked him about that. he spent the early part of the campaign saying i'm my own man with my own life experiences and
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record. are you now embracing the family? he said it's really not that complicated for me, speaking as bush, because this is my mother. this is my brother. i love them. and i've been trying to tell people that i have my own record, but barbara bush wanted to come here and i was at the event last night and i can tell you, there were people excited to see her. >> she's very popular. >> yes. and most former first ladies are beloved and there were people who asked questions about how she is doing and talked about some of the things. literacy was one of her campaigns as a first lady and jeb bush got a larger audience and able to make his own case. now, add what george w. bush i covered a long time in south carolina is important because the bush family has deep ties in south carolina. they recognize the position he is in. he says he has the resources and the will to keep going and if they could sort of marshal the bush tentacles, alumni and supporters, maybe he could have a stronger showing here.
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>> he could have that here as well. it's connected to a lot of ties. >> he's trying to make the argument that other governors currently in office about accomplishments, records, decision-making. i've talked to voters and one of the things i do hear often is that while they may even like jeb bush, they want to move on and the thorn in his side remains, of course, marco rubio. >> yes. he has, i think, a more tense relationship with now, even though they're friends. he said rubio has a great future, but doesn't think he's done enough yet. some of the people we talked to at his event last night said they were impressed with bush and would be open to supporting him. >> kelly o'donnell on the campaign trail. we'll share burgers with the nice ladies behind us. that does it for this hour. i'll be back at 1:00 p.m. eastern time. meanwhile, up next. "andrea mitchell reports." we'll be right back.
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