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where people,technology and ideas push everyone forward. accelerating innovation. accelerating transformation. accelerating next. hewlett packard enterprise. will beyonce and cam own this weekend? plus, the mayor of flint, michigan, joins me live. and wake the vote is here. but first, fight night in new hampshire. good morning. i'm melissa harris-perry. last night's presidential debate was the eighth time we have seen the top contenders for the
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republican nomination square off on a national stage. the last before tuesday's new hampshire primary. but the first since the iowa caucuses, shifted and reshuffled the field of contenders. in some ways, it was like watching them debate for the very first time. gone was the undercard of low polling also rans. we bid farewell to drop-outs rand paul, mike huckabee, and rick santorum, and other low pollers still in it to win it, carly fiorina and jim gilmore didn't make the cut for the stamg. but making saturday night's debate a prime time to reorder the politics of the 2016 race. and that seems to be precisely what happened at the gop governors came out swinging from the opening bell and unrelentingly pursued the senators, the doctors, and reality tv hosts throughout the night. >> for anybody who is here tonight, if i get elect eed president, head out tomorrow and buy a seat belt because there's going to be so much happening in the first 100 days, it's going
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to make your head spin, and we're going to move america forward. >> the shame is you would criticize somebody for showing up to work, blowing the streets, getting the trains back on time, when you have never been responsible for that in your entire life. >> what donald trump did was use eminent domain to try to take the property of an elderly woman on the strip in atlantic city. that is not public purpose. that is downright wrong. >> to turn this into a limousine parking lot for his casinos is not a public use. >> yes, it was revenge of the governors. after all the republican party currently controls 31 governors seats in this country. until the election of then-senator barack obama back in 2008, american voters had shown a pretty strong preference for electing governors to the white house. governors are suppose said to be the adults, the ones with the real policy positions. clear cross party constituencies and a record of tough executive decisions. look at what happens when donald trump is asked about the divide between law enforcement and
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communities of color. >> i'm telling you that not only me speaking, minorities all over the country, they respect the police of this country, and we have to give them more respect. they can't act. they can't act. they're afraid for losing their pension, their job. they don't know what to do. >> okay. but then governor john kasich of ohio weighed in with this. >> i created a big collaborative in ohio made up of law enforcement, community leaders, the head of my public safety and a former democrat liberal state senator nina turner, run it. they got together. they made recommendations on recruiting, on hiring, on the use of deadly force, and what we're about to do is to bring community and police together so we can have a win-win. >> see the difference? kasich saying specific things. talking about, you know, nina turner. so what the republican governors pushing back hard against the
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upstart outsiders, has the force finally awakened in the gop establishment? joining me now are boris epstein, who is a republican strategist and former communications aide with the mccain/palin campaign. elise jordan, who is nbc news and msnbc political analyst and a former senior adviser for policy with the rand paul campaign. bisal is executive director of the new york state democratic party, and boris, i have to tell you, kasich was showing to me last night why governors typically win the u.s. presidency. >> kasich, bush, and christie all had a very good night. no question about it. i thought christie on the attack on rubio really showed why he's a strong executive. showed that power that he has about him, which i think is attractive to voters in new hampshire and beyond. kasich, he knows his stuff. he was in congress for a long time. he'll be the first to tell you about the kasich claim. he knows his stuff.
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i thought trump still won the debate. beyond that, trump leading, he didn't do anything to hurt himself. and some of the answers he gave in particular, i thought on the police, he was good. and he did give more details on immigration. gave more details on the economy. so while the governors were good, trump was still the best. >> do you agree with that? >> i do gdisagree. i think christie's moment with rubio, if these debates actually matter, it would potentially break the race open because rubio was ordained as the establishment pick after his momentum in iowa. and christie just demolished him with what christie's message has been all week, that rubio sticks to canned talking points, that he is a republican version of obama. and christie just hammered that point home. >> you know, obama got elected to the presidency twice, though. so even if one dislikes president obama, i just want to point out -- >> for the republican party, that a bad thing, right? >> from an electoral standpoint,
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even to make that claim is still a bit of an odd one for electability. part of what you said is useful, you said if these debates matter. so part of what i'm interested in is, you know, the granite state primary voters are famously late deciders. so does this debate matter? not just for the national audience that is watching but for the actual new hampshire primary? >> that's the point last night. if you're looking at it, and think, if you're giving rubio consideration, you're a moderate voter in new hampshire and giving him a really good look and thinking electability, and you see that performance last night, are you really going to move from kasich? are you really going to move from bush, from christie? given what you saw from marco rubio last night? >> i don't know. >> but my question is, do you move from one of the outsiders to a kasich. like this must -- >> you like kasich. >> well, i do. i have to say, you know, i just want my country to have a
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grown-up in the presidency. even though i'm not a republican, i have to say, i want strong candidates on both sides. and kasich makes me feel like, okay, good, if he got elected, okay, i'm not going to agree but -- >> this is a guy even in his own state bucked the republican party by expanding medicare, which a lot of republican governors did not do. i think of that group, he is a grown-up. >> kasich is the democrats' favorite republican? >> probably. probably. >> he's a grown-up. he shouldn't be insulting the audience in new hampshire. >> the only person you're talking about is donald trump. >> who you said won the debate? >> he did win the debate. you'll see in the polls, he's been leading by 20 points as it is. the tracking poll will continue to do that. he didn't do anything to take away votes. >> does trump actually have to win new hampshire? you know, i thought that sort of what trump did in iowa, so coming in second, and then not
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giving a very strong concession speech, there's ways to give concession speeches. he didn't kind of come out and do, i was second, but i'm about to take this. he was like, all right, peace, i'm out. does he need to actually win and win decisively in new hampshire in order to keep going? >> i think absolutely. i think he absolutely has to win in new hampshire because the loser narrative with trump will really start to set in. that's a narrative that is repelabout to his followers, to him. it brings out the worst in him. you look at iowa. he made a lot of tactical errors in the run-up to iowa. he didn't have a strong ground organization. he thought he could cruise through on the strength of his polls. he didn't do the debate. >> the debate could have hurt him, but we're talking -- >> the fox debate he didn't do. >> he said he would do it all over the same way. talking about the $6 million for veterans and all that. now, we're talking about him losing. he's up 20 points in the latest
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tracking poll. he may lose. >> but the electorate is 40% independent. >> he's still leading by a lot. everything we're talking about rubio being hurt, we didn't talk about trump being hurt. >> they have their own -- it's a big rallying cry. >> hasn't hurt him in the polls. >> go beyond the polls for a second. part of the reason i want you at the table. what does the 40% undecided mean? given how well known a commodity mr. trump is at this point, are those 40% of folks likely to break for trump late? >> new hampshire undecideds in many ways are in many ways really undecideds. there's movement. we have seen this traditionally in the polls in new hampshire. lots of movement at the end, sometimes some surprises. as boris said, that's a big, big gap. >> a huge gap. again, if you look from a voter who is not as zeroed in as we
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all are, you step back and look at what donald trump did. again, talk about police, talk about foreign policy, he is the one who came out the strongest. he maybe didn't dive into the details like kasich did, but he said when you elect me, i'm going to lead the country and we're going to do well. >> you know whose name we did not say one time in this block? the guy who supposedly won iowa, ted cruz. did he manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory? also, last night, the candidates that we were asked very important prediction. who do they think will win today's super bowl. >> peyton manning is supporting me and i'm for denver. >> i was going for peyton manning. now i'm going for carolina. >> with 100% certainty, i will predict the winner. either denver or carolina. ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪
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our country that we love so much doesn't win anymore. we don't win with the military. we don't win on the border. we don't win with health care. we don't win with trade. if i'm elected president, we will win and we will win and we will win. thank you. thank you very much. >> that was donald trump during last night's gop debate channeling dj colin with his insistence on nonstop victory, going to win, win, win, but the primary season is rarely so clean. take senator ted cruz. sure, at first glance, cruz's numbers, it looks like he won in iowa. certainly looks impressive. but only in politics can you finish first and still not quite win. take a look at the iowa exit polls. it's clear that ted cruz won iowa because he won among voters who described themselves as very
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conservative. but take a look at those who describe themselves as somewhat conservative or moderate. he falls way behind, trailing the candidate who surpassed expectations in iowa who landed close to cruz and trump at that three spot, you know who i'm talking about. there he was on caucus night with his wife and kids, looking victorious and rather presidential, even in defeat. can you feel the marco mental, maybe not after last night. senator marco rubio, let's say he struggled in saturday night's debate in new hampshire as the gop governors targeted him and his inexperience. you were talking about this last night, talking about what this looked like last night. how big -- clearly, he really did look like the winner out of iowa even though he came in third. ted cruz, even though he won, looked awfully weak. where do you think marco will end up? >> he's going to end up out of the top three because of this performance.
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in new hampshire. he crushed himself. well, chris christie crushed him. it was right out of the gate. you could see it coming. like this slow pitch that you could see coming. and it just killed him. when he kept repeating himself with that obama line -- >> it was really that bad? >> i thought he was maybe having a breakdown. it reminded me of the 1960 richard nixon moment. he started sweating, his makeup came off. it was really bad. what's worse is i'm hearing -- >> worse than the little water bottle moment? >> i'm hearing the establishment on the republican side now is taking another look at saying can we really support this guy? with them, look out for jeb bush or chris christie. >> so it's super bowl sunday. isn't it true that sometimes you get that one loss, you actually don't want to go into the super bowl with the perfect season, right? you don't want to go in undefeated. you need a loss to pull yourself back together. i like marco. >> he may have actually done as well as he did in iowa is potentially because donald trump
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pulled out of the last debate and he took some of his voters. that might be the case. i like what axelrod said, that chris christie went full new jersey. >> it was real jersey. >> yes, the man may have some great message discipline, but it did not resonate at all. >> with rubio, also, he had this momentum going into new hampshire, but i was still not totally quite buying it because immigration is such a huge issue in new hampshire, oddly enough. and i think that this debate chipped away at his invincibility because it hit him in immigration and that moment with christie was so bad for him. >> he even flip-flopped on his football pick. >> he said he was going to like denver, but now jeb bush who yauz eused to be his mentor, he picked carolina. it's kind of sad. >> sometimes people are running, when they're running for president, they're running for different kinds of things. sometimes people are running for hud secretary, but isn't it
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possible that part of what marco rubio is doing here is running for vice president? it seems pretty clear that really whether sanders or clinton win that nomination on the democratic side, it is highly likely going to be actually the hud secretary, mr. castro, who is very likely to end up the vp pick on the democrat, side. marco doesn't make a bad vp pick as a young guy with the beautiful family, demonstrating the diversity on the republican side. he doesn't make a bad candidate. >> we tried paul ryan last time. you can't just pick a vp candidate. also, if you look at the polling in florida, rubio doesn't do well. what is most interesting of the numbers you showed in iowa, 35% of moderates broke for donald trump. he really is appealing to a much broader spectrum -- >> you're killing me with the donald trump. are you really going to nominate him? >> he's probably the safe bet. >> sir, are they really going to nominate donald trump for the u.s. presidency? >> there's more than a fair
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chase of that happening. >> and last night placed in that. that's why it's so important. i never want to overstate or go into hyperbole for a single debate, but the time. it was rubio's chance coming out of iowa with momentum. feeling real momentum. and new hampshire voters, as we talked about before, a lot are undecid undecided. they're finicky. they're going to wait. if they wanted electability, and a lot of republicans want elect nlt, in that moment where he had a chance to sway some of the voters and really say they can coalesce around them, he dropped the ball. >> that was really important last night. >> that's why i think ted cruz won iowa, because they feel he's closer to donald trump in terms of ideology, but he's also electable. >> but ted cruz disappeared last night. didn't you feel like that? >> i do feel he disappeared last night, bumet i think also republicans like to see donald trump on stage because he's say aglot of things that republicans want people to say, but i can't
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imagine that they want him to be president of the united states. >> if you look at the polling in most states where you have seen recent polling, south carolina, florida, going to super tuesday, all we can go on are polls. but trump is winning state after state after state. cruz is not -- let me finish. cruz is -- >> okay, we don't do this on our show. >> cruz has been running the best campaign by far, though, of all candidates. we did see in iowa where that really matters. you look at cruz is doing. it's incredible. he had 77 micropoints that matter to iowa voters. he had honed in on i think 30 people who supported states fireworks laws. yes, his campaign is really going deep with hyperdata driven. >> ted cruz is a nerd. who knew? >> who were the last two guys to win iowa? >> iowa doesn't matter for you. >> up next, the republican candidates on reproductive rights.
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stumbled, but late in the debate, he was responded with at least one really important, thoughtful response. >> it's a difficult issue because it puts in conflict two competing rights. on the one hand is the right of a woman to choose what to do with her body, which is a real right. on the other hand is the right of an unborn human child to live. they're in conflict. as a policymaker, i must choose which size takes presence dns. i would rather lose an election than be wrong on the issue of life. >> i don't agree with mr. rubio on this point, but i actually thought that the response represented exactly what any candidate has to do. after they win the primary, they have to pivot in the general. he said this is a hard question. it's one that puts into question two competing values. i recognize that americans see there are two competing values and i'm going to come down on my side. >> he didn't give you really an answer wa answer. he didn't say i'm pro life with necessary exceptions which i
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believe in, health, incest, rape. he didn't say that. >> he did, he said there's competing ones, and then he was like, but he came back with strong, like i don't know. i feel like that felt stronger to me than the kind of just the pandering piece that sometimes -- and i don't mean just around abortion. a wide variety of issues where you're going for just the primary. there's tape people will play your answers in the general election. >> i agree. i think that was his best moment in the whole evening. i think one was first of all, i do like, as a proprofessor, the of competing goods. a lot of these things are tough questions in politics. also the point that look, it's going to be a tough decision. he's going to have to hold his ground on a certain thing. i'm going to make some tradeoffs, tradeoffs in other things. i can't make a tradeoff in this. i thought it was a good pitch, especially to conservative republican voters. >> in the previous debate, i think he sounded more like that. he was sort of in charge of the policy he was talking ability.
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i don't agree with him on any of it, but he sounded stronger, a little more thoughtful and a little more passionate. all of that was lost last night. >> i think it was in the first debate with megyn kelly, she asked him about his -- what he believed on abortion and did he believe abortion should be allowed in the case of rape or incest, and he gave the worst answer for a general election. now this answer allows him to have a little cover if he does get the nomination, can say i have softened. >> outside of the first ten minutes, he had an okay debate. >> the first ten were death. >> the first ten was the headline, and it really killed him. >> there was another moment, because when i'm making this point, i need -- on both sides, i need a grown-up in charge. almost like this weird thing that happened around the selective service question. i want to play a little bit of the sound here. >> tell me what you would say to american people out there who are sitting at home, who have daughters, who might worry about those answers, and might
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worry -- >> why would they worry? >> that the draft is reinstituted. >> the draft is not going to be reinstituted. if women are accessing -- >> are you going to do away with it? >> i didn't say that. you asked the question, about registering. >> you register for the draft. >> but we don't have a draft. >> you know, that had been set up with, okay, now women can be in combat. should they have to register for the draft? and the right answer, right, has been over the years, no. our daughters should not have to register for the draft. each and every one was like, they should register. i was like, i wonder if they know what they're answering. it was a question whether or not there was an informational confusion about what selective service is for people who are planning to be the commander in chief. it was distressing for me. was i reading that wrong? >> i thought the moderator tripped up governor bush, because he knee what he was talking about, and she confused selective service with the draft. they're definitely not the same thing, as we know.
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selective service is something you register for early on, at 18, and then if there is a draft at some point, you're eligible for the draft. >> right now, only boys, only men have to register. >> i do think it should be both. i think it should be men and women at 18 should have to register because now, women serve in military, they're able to participate in combat. there's full equality. we should keep that consistent throughout. >> that's a retatively new position. >> this is a bright spot in republican party is trying to grow the platform when it comes to women. marco rubio actually has consistently supported women in combat, since about 2013. that's been a really hotbed issue on the republican side. they're actually being consistent. i thought chris christie really nailed the answer in terms of, and he also is surrounded by a ton of strong women in the top levels of his campaign. he's always been great with women's issues. i thought he particularly did well there. >> you talk about chris christie and pivoting in a general election. he's a man who hugs the
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president of the united states and he gets pillaried by his own party for it. >> but then in that debate, you know, a few months ago, he also said kind of horrible things about the president. >> that's absolutely right. what's interesting to me is that of the governors that -- i mean, he had this really strong, passionate response to government and to being the executive, which no one really, even among the governors, really could -- >> he's the most in charge of the governors. he has something that donald trump has. he has that strength about him, but he's also a governor. he brings a long time of making executive decisions. i thought that that contrast he drew with rubio early on came out so good for him. also, the u.s. attorney experience he has, talking about national security, talking about foreign policy. i wish they talked more about foreign policy last night, because that is really what the presidency should come down to. bernie sanders, for example, never talked about foreign policy. >> well madeleine albright was clear about that yesterday.
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thank you. you know they're going to be bag over the course of the election season. my panel is going to be neup in the next hour. up next, we go to new hampshire. before we go to break, we're talking super bowl later in the show, and kate snow caught up with some political strategists and asked them about the game. >> super bowl. >> i'm watching. >> you know who's playing? >> no. i take that back. the eagles? i'm not sure. i'm on the campaign trail. (man) hmm. what do you think? ♪ (stranger) good mornin'! ♪ (store p.a.) attention shoppers, there's a lost couple in the men's department. (vo) there's a great big un-khaki world out there. explore it in a subaru crosstrek. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru.
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hampshire primary, hillary clinton is focusing on the water crisis in flint, michigan, which will host a democratic debate next month. now, clinton will tour flint today with the city's mayor, karen weaver, and meet with the residents dealing with the consequences of the lead contaminated water. kristen welker joins me now from new hampshire with more. what is the goal of mrs. clinton's visit to flint today?
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>> well, melissa, good morning. this is an issue that secretary clinton has been talking a lot about lately, both on the campaign trail, also bringing it up at the debates. it's an issue obviously that impacts a large african-american community in flint, michigan. something that resonates with a lot of her constituents, particularly if you look at a state like south carolina, where they have a large african-american population there. and a visit like this could actually resonate for the folks in south carolina and some of those super tuesday states that are going to be very critical for secretary clinton, particularly if she loses here in new hampshire. chuck todd asked her about her trip earlier today on "meet the press." take a listen to what she told him. >> i'm worrying about the kids in flint, michigan, right now, trying to figure out what we're going to do to make sure they're not damaged irreparably. the mayor asked me to come. this is as early adwe could get it done. i want to lend my support. i'm hopeful that congress who is trying to work in a bipartisan way will come up with funding to
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deal with the problems that have afflicted the community. i'm going to keep doing everything i can to help them. >> melissa, secretary clinton trails bernie sanders here in new hampshire by double digits. so once she leaves flint, she'll be back here in new hampshire campaigning. and her goal here is to really try to close the double-digit gap. if she can narrow that gap to single digits, on tuesday, her campaign is going to try to sell that as a win to some extent because it's not the loss than they could get if she loses by 20 points, for example. her strategy here has been to talk a lot about the work she has done for women's rights. by the way, she's trailing women voters here in new hampshire, which surprised a lot of people. she's trailing younger voters as well. she's trying to reach out to them in her campaign speeches. the other part of her strategy we're seeing, she has been talking about senator sanders' foreign policy, and yesterday, she brought in a surrogate, former secretary of state madeleine albright, who had very
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strong words for senator sanders in an interview i did with her, saying he essentially doesn't seem prepared on the foreign policy front. that's the strategy moving forward here in new hampshire. her husband, former president billclipten, will be here on the trail today while she's in flint. >> thank you so much nbc's kristen welker in new hampshire. indeed, madeleine albright did have very strong words yesterday. i'm going to speak live with the flint mayor, karen weaver, at the top of the next hour. but up next, wake the vote of wake forest university, is here live in nerdland. i have asthma...
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if you want to understand american democracy, really understand it, then you can't be just a spectator. you have to be part of the process. which is why in january, wake forest university where i'm a professor, launched wake the vote. it's a full year deep immersion, civic engagement program where students learn about american elections by taking part in them. so, you met two of my wake the voters on mhp show last week, just one day before their first iowa caucus. what a raucous caucus they had. i mean, these students, somehow, they managed to hang out with everybody from marco rubio to sarah palin to john lewis, to josh hutchinson, and they are just getting started. before the sun was up on saturday mrning, the wake the voters were bidding farewell to winston-salem, north carolina, and they were on their way to new hampshire. to work in tuesday's primaries. and here's the twist with wake the vote. so it's a whole year program,
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but initially, right now, we assign the students to campaigns without regard for partisanship or ideology. later, the students will choose to work for an extended period of time for the candidate of their choice, but in the early primaries, it offers these young people a fairly unique opportunity, to campaign for a day for a candidate they may not have initially chosen. the ruls can be surprising. take erica jordan, who was assigned to work for marco rubio in iowa. she wrote this piece afterward. the political process that i got to be part of in iowa today made me challenge all of the assumptions i made about the parties and their basises, and my place within the system as a black woman, and i'm extremely glad that it did. joining me now is erica jordan, a first-year student planning to major in politics and international affairs and english. cam, who is a ceremore majoring in politics and international affairs. ryan wofl, a sophomore majoring
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in political science and communication, and camry wilbourn, a senior majoring in politics, international affairs and women and gender and sexuality studies. i'm so glad have to you here, and some of your other colleagues are behind you. 22 wake the voters in all. i quoted a piece. everybody has to write reflections after your experiences. what happened for you in iowa when mr. rubio walked into the iowa campaign office? what was your experience? >> totally energizing. all the volunteers had been working so hard beforehand. i was kind of not feeling it. i was like, i don't know. i'm the only person who looks like me. it was jarring at first. when he came in, i got to meet him. he was so nice and so genuine that i got swept up into the spirit. i got really heavily invested in the success of his campaign. >> one of the most enjoyable experiences for me was sitting and watching the returns that night, and on the one hand, everybody rooting for their
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actual candidate. but also rooting for the candidate that they worked ford. cam, you also worked on the rubio campaign and had one of the selfies that went mini viral. what's it like to meet someone running for president? >> it was incredible. you realize these are real people. i think rubio came off as such a real person, not just this larger than life kind of guy. coming through, shaking our hands, talking to us, thanking uz. it really, like erica said, energized us, made us think whether we agree with him completely, like wow, i'm proud to work for this guy. let's do everything we can to help him win here because this is our job right now, and i like this guy right now. >> so i'm thinking to myself, it's one thing to work across party lines. for you and me, it may have been even harder because you're working within the party you generally identify with before the other candidates you would have normally thought you supported. you were working on hillary clinton's campaign. tell me about that experience for you. >> so i definitely think that i went into the experience not
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really committing to either candidate but leaning towards bernie sanders. because i went in with such an objective view, i was able to look at the campaign. she does a good job with technology, and she's experienced. on the other hand, i think bernie is experienced at talking to voters and getting the young people and figuring out what voters want. >> you reflected on something very similar. in your piece, when you wrote about working for hillary, you actually said precisely that in your piece. you said, it's one thing to have a campaign that is sort of technically great, but you also learn something about the connection to voters. >> exactly. i think hillary and her policy and her campaign operation is incredible for her voters, but i think one of the things that i felt on the ground that she was lacking was that kind of passion and being genuine to her voters,
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and just in the campaign in general. sometimes it feels like she is an extension of her campaign operations herself. she changed her policies and her views based on what people think. and so i think with sanders. people really see someone who is passionate and he is steadfast in his points. and he won't change. so i thought that was really appealing, especially to youth voters. >> i'm worried that your parents, given that first you worked for hillary clinton and now you are on msnbc, are going to take you out of wake forest. because you're a good republican kid, raised in jersey. you worked on republican campaigns. what has this experience been like for you, working across this line? >> it's riley awesome. cool, kind of, to see the mec n mechanics of how the other side works and also kind of neat to be part of the other team for a day and to really feel their world view and perspective and really get to learn about that. i think it helps kind of uniting
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experiences after they've had them. this is part of a reflection from sophomore cam after working on the iowa caucuses. he writes, this is iowa, he explained. do whatever you think is right. don't do what you think is wrong. this is what he ultimately instructed me. it was at that moment that i put the pieces of this remarkable iowan political culture together. people trust each other to do the right thing. people aren't afraid that others will cheat or corrupt the democratic process. i love that you were talking about trying to figure out where you're supposed to put the signs, you were talking to an older gentleman who was like, i'm not exactly sure what the rules are but do what you think is right. tell me more about the lessons you took away from the iowa experience. >> it's an incredible political culture. i wrote that it involved so much participation. it's not just stop by the poll and vote. you have to go to a caucus and sit there and maybe stand there in a corner and put your vote out there and cheer for your candidate, sway other people. it's not a secretive private
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thing. it's i'm out here part of the community and we're all getting involved in this civic space, whether it's a church or a gym. it's an incredible aspect of a democratic process that you don't see everywhere. i think they're very lucky to have and we're so luck a y to s. it contrasts with north carolina where they just passed the strictest voting laws. i have to go to the rmv and get a new state issued i.d. it's a crazy contrast between two places yet the same government, the same country. >> come in, we want you to be part of it. the kind of proximity of everybody together. i was there when erica you and some of the other wake the voters ran up and met sarah palin because she happened to be standing there. there's an enthusiasm, like all of the folks i see as characters in the american political system are actually available to have as part of my conversation here. >> i think it was typical of what the iowa experience is like overall. just being really engaged in the
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democratic process in a way that made it feel more realistic than it sometimes can because when you're watching people on tv, it's often these inflated personalities. when you get to meet them in real life, you see an authentic side. >> one of the ways we can close the gaps, part is being physically together, here comes marco rubio into the room. there's sarah palin walking across the hotel lobby. the other is social media. and wake the vote has been doing a great job on social media. you're one of the most active members of both wake the vote andulse in your own social media. i have seen you have opportunities to interact across miles with folks. how is that part of how young people are engaging the political process and actually building political community? >> i think social media is really important because now for the first time really, you can reach anyone anywhere in the country. using like twitter and hashtags and things like that. if there's certain things that people want to learn about on the ground, they can find it fast. and so we had the opportunity in
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iowa really to be on the ground, to share our experiences with everyone. and also to get feedback. so i think that's really awesome. >> cameron, you're a senior. and so that means that for you, you're part of this big process, but you're also going to be making some big decisions moving forward. is anything you're learning as part of the process affecting kind of part of what you're thinking about next? are you thinking about joining a campaign or going into politics? how is it impacting how you're thinking about american politics in the broadest way? >> i'm definitely thinking on engaging in politics. working on hillary's campaign piqued my interest. she could use me on her campaign. i have a minor in communications. i think really getting involved in that sector in politics would be really engaging for me. >> i want to play a little sound from last night's republican debate. there was a conversation about millennial voters. i want to play a little bit and ask you to react to it. >> on one hand, it's clear young people across the political spectrum increasingly favor same-sex marriage.
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however, young voters have not moved to the left on abortion. large numbers favor at least some modest restrictions that conservatives have supported. how do you speak to millennials on both these issues while democrats will inevitably charge intolerance and extremism? >> all right, y'all are millennials. how important will social issues like marriage equality, like reproductive rights be when it's time to make a decision at the poll snz. >> that's one of the first issues millennials look to, how they first start to get engaged in the democratic process and then move into more economic and foreign affairs. i think it's important to keblth in a way that makes it feel like the parties aren't pandering specifically to milelians. not a cheesy look at this clib on youtube way, more i understand where you're coming from and i can adjust on the issues. >> anyone else want to weigh in on that? >> i agree with that, especially being students on a campus. we're not concerned with jobs and working quite yet. right now, what we are discussing and studying are social issues. that's what we're discussing and
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learning about. and that's the hot button for us. i think that they can argue back and forth about jobs and security, but i think that for younger people, it's definitely the social issues. that's what's most relevant. >> i can't wait. we're going to watch the super bowl this afternoon and getting on the bus, heading to new hampshire. follow us at wake the vote because there's going to be a lot more happening. tau thank you to my students. later today, hillary clinton will be in flint, michigan, to attend a meeting with mayor karen weaver. we'll talk to the mayor next. also, beyonce and cam newton and our countdown to super bowl 50. there's more nerdland at the top of the hour. take a listen to a few more predictions. >> super bowl sunday. >> you know who's in it? >> i do know who's in it, yes. >> super bowl sunday. >> panthers.
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dads don't take sick days, dads take nyquil severe dave, i'm sorry to interrupt. i gotta take a sick day tomorrow. the nighttime, sniffling, sneezing, coughing, aching, fever, best sleep with a cold, medicine. welcome back. i'm melissa harris-perry. today, hillary clinton will take a break from the campaign trail in new hampshire to go to flint, michigan. where she will meet with mayor karen weaver. and community members about the city's lead contaminated water. people in flint are still reliant on bottled water for daily needs, and inmates at a local prison have had no chose but to use the poisoned water until last week. yesterday, we spoke with flint resident melissa mays about the heartbreaking, infuriating real-life consequences of his
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crisis. >> my 12-year-old can't sleep at night because his bones hurt so bad. my 11-year-old, his white blood cell count is 4. he's so anemic, he looks exhausted all the time. he gets sick anytime he goes anywhere. my kids want to play sports and i'm too scared to let them because their bones are brittle. unless you have a child under 6, they give you one case of water. we go through that a day, at least that. we wash our vegetables and meats in bottled water. everything we can possibly do, wash our face, brush our teeth, everything in the bottled water. so the one case isn't enough. we just continue to buy it at the store, and my newest water bill came a couple days ago and it's $1,064. we're left with no options when want we need to home filtration and pipes replaced. >> in recent weeks, hillary clinton has made flit a focal point of her platform, putting the crisis in the spotlight as an example of inequality and government failure. >> we had a city in the united states of america where the
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population, which is poor in many ways and majority african-american, has been drinking and bathing in lead-contaminated water. and the governor of that state acted as though he didn't really care. i'll tell you what. if the kids in a rich suburb of detroit had been drinking contaminated water and being bathed in it, there would have been actions. >> clinton's opponent bernie sanders has also criticized the response to flint's water crisis, calling for governor rick snyder to resign. last week, clinton pushed for a democratic presidential debate in flint, which is now scheduled to take place in march. mayor weaver endorsed clinton last month, praising her response to the crisis. and joining me now is flint's mayor, dr. karen weaver. so nice to have you, mayor weaver. >> thank you for having me. >> so yesterday, when i had flint resident and mom melissa mays on, we asked her beforehand
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whether or not there was anyone in government who she now trusts after everything that has happened. and her response to us was that you are the only person who she now trusts. tell me why. what steps have you been trying to take to bring some relief to the people of flint despite the inaction of others at other levels? >> well, you know, one of the things i have always let people know when i got into office was the question i was asked was what could i do? because at that point, i didn't have local control. i didn't have power. but one of the things i always pledged to people was, i would speak up and speak out on behalf of the issues that i knew our community was facing. and nothing was going to stop me from doing that. and that's what i've continued to do. >> so one of the things, i know you're working on right now is actually a private/public partnership for trying to fund a full replacement of the piping in the city. talk to me about what that looks like. >> that's exactly right, because
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you know, one of the things we know is lancing also had issues with lead in their pipes. it didn't get to the extent that we have it here in flint. they were able to do something before it got to this level. but we have been talking with them, and we're looking at what we can do, because one of the things we know we cannot do is wait on the state to come in and fix the problem. we have been waiting for almost two years. so we aunt to do what they did in lancing because we know it doesn't require the digging, it doesn't take as long and doesn't cost as much. time is of the essence, and we need to move quickly. >> there's obviously sort of multiple layers of government issue here going on. you know, one of the things we have been talking about is the way in which this is in part a set of choices made by an emergency manager because there wasn't local control. that emergency manager was reporting to at the level of the state, but then the epa is also implicated here. talk to me, when you're kind of looking at kind of the whole
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broad sweep here of the federal, the state, what are the different levels that you need response from for the local people of flint? >> you know, what i need response on the level of the state and federal. because we know that there was a breakdown, there was a failure on all levels. so at this point, and that was why i wanted this declared an emergency. and really, i wanted flint declared a disaster area because we know this is bigger than the state financially. we need federal assistance as well. i don't want to take the focus off of the state. the state has a huge responsibility in this because we had been under emergency manager. and so we know there's money there, and that's what we're requesting. that's what we should be the priority, and that's what the residents are demanding, money, financial assistance from the state. we also know we need it at a federal level because of the cost of the infrastructure and also the human cost, which is going to be more than the inf infrastructure, i would imagine.
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>> i want to talk about the human cost for a second. obviously, everyone in flint is at risk, but there are some communities that are particularly vulnerable. we started by talking a lilt bit about those who are in prison, who were still drinking the water, including even pregnant prisoners who were still drinking the water up to a week ago. i also highlighted on the show last week some of the challenges around spanish-speaking communities. mr. sanders, bernie sanders, put out a statement just yesterday saying that the federal government must also halt all immigration raids immediately because these inhumane raids are having a chilling effect across the country, especially in flint, preventing some of the most vulnerable people from stepping outside their homes, let alone seeking clean water for their families. have you seen this for yourself? >> you know what. that's what i heard. i haven't seen it firsthand because i have been out in the streets, helping to do the delivery. but one of the things we want people to know is they are not supposed to be doing that. you are not supposed to or required to show i.d.
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if you come to one of the places where we're dispensing the water or if we're coming to your home, that should not be a requirement. if that happens, i would really like them to call the 211 number and report that to us. because that should not be happening. this is not the purpose of this. but you know what. that's one of the other reasons we believe that we appreciate the national guard coming in. we appreciate the help and support we've gotten, but it's time for us to be able to help take care of ourselves and be part of this healing process. and instead of that money going to them, we would like to use our own people, our own local people, to help with this water dispensing. >> thank you, to mayor karen weaver in flint, michigan, you have been absolutely heroic in this process. we have -- this is tough. and listening to melissa yesterday really talk about the human cost of this, thank you for the work you continue to do. >> thank you so much. >> before we go to break, a quick programming note.
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you can see senator hillary clinton and mr. donald trump on "meet the press" at 2:00 p.m. eastern today, right here on msnbc. up next, beyonce broke the entire world yesterday with her new music video formation. you do not want to miss the nerdland conversation about it. ♪ [screaming] ♪ ♪ the bold nissan rogue, with intuitive all wheel drive. because winter needs a hero. now get a $199 per month lease on the 2016 nissan rogue. nissan. innovation that excites.
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so, there we were putting together our animal super bowl segment. because you know how we do it in nerdland, it gets complicated because football's biggest day is about so much more than football. this year, it's about
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unapologetic blackness and the hyperscrutiny of a body and police violence and displacement of marginalized people, and we're going to talk about that late, but later. in the middle of our planning, beyonce broke the internet again. out of nowhere. in just under five minutes, she somehow managed to use her black girl magic to read our minds and tackle those questions of race and justice in one beyonce video to rule them all. and y'all, where do i even begin? i can't help but notice the timing, the surprise drop of her new video formation came the day before television's biggest audience gathered to celebrate our favorite national pastime. as we watch the entertaining spectacle unfold today in the stadium in santa clara, beyonce is asking us to recall the shameful spectacle that unfolded in a stadium in new orleans more than a decade ago. because there she is on top of a new orleans and opd new orleans
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police car sinking slowly beneath the waters and that image paired with a young african-american boy in a hoodie dancing before a row of armed police threading the needle between the black lives matter movement and the police violence against black bodies. and its early roots in a movement that arose when systemic violence against black bodies was unveiled when the levees broke in hurricane katrina. i mean, b. she's not only showing us images that evoke new orleans suffering. formation also reveals and revels in new orleans joy. the video shows us the city's undeniable blackness, its authentic, unvarnished images of people who both honor their individual humanity while celebrating the unique culture of new orleans that binds them together. there's beyonce performing her own heritage, as she says that creole with that negro in a way that both affirms a corseted
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color conscious skin that must be shaded from the skin model of respectability even as she demolished that respectability bouncing and twerking in the broad daylight hard alongside the squad of brown girl dancers flinging fros, hair she'll style any way she damn well pleases on her own child when she sings i like my baby hair with baby hair and afros. with a co-sign from blue ivy who rocks said style in cameo appearance. this is beyonce making an artistic statement that is boldly, unapologetically black. she's giving us black bodies and a black politics that will not be silenced or shames but instead demands space for the one thing the video tells us they're most definitely here to do. as beyonce says in the refrain, i slay.
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joining me now, britney cooper, assistant professor at rutgers university. michael, columnist at complex magazine. dave ziren, and adam howard, reporter for msnbc.com. where do we begin? so what is the formation? >> i begin with my hot sausz. >> girl. >> hot sauce and my bag swag. listen, there's just so much wonderful stuff that we can say about this, but i think one of my most favorite moments happens about the 3:45 mark. >> about the 3:45 mark. have you watched it? >> i was watching this, right. when the young man is dancing in front of the police line. >> right, and that's clearly the baltimore picture come to life. >> that's right, and then immediately, it shoots to a clip of black women in formation. so i love that she is saying the police are getting in formation, but it's also black women who are in formation, running this movement, telling it how it is
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going to move, choreographic freedom. she literally shows us a young black boy, choreographing freedom and black women falling into line and figuring out how to create a spine for the movement that moves and shifts in the way it needs. gr also the language of the sling. when we think about the black male body felled by bullets. but when this boy slays the police. when they put their hands up, he's slaying them with his talent. and she's slaying anch ing everh all of her everything. >> i wanted to stand throughout the intro. i'm a gay black man from houston. every in that video speaks to me. and beyonce has always actually been really, really black. everything that's continued to build, she's always included gay black people, been pro black women, and what i really love
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about her is that the biggest pop star in the world is unapologetically country as hell, and owns it because so often, even between us, that strain of blackness is not celebrated. it's looked down upon. >> because a lot of those images, so, there's the images that are shot that are -- where be herself is in them, but many are coming out of a documentary, a bounce documentary, and some of the sound you hear is big frida. >> that just means so much. she helped me become comfortable with my feminine ways with the b-day album. she wants you to celebrate who you are. i want to run around and just like, thank you, mother. she makes me so happy. >> dave. >> i'm never going to look at a couple eating at red lobster the same way. >> i did maybe invite my husband to red lobster once. >> oh, mr. perry. but i have to say, like, watching it, it took me -- there are more indelible images in the video than any movie i can
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remember. it's a five-minute video. the artistic accomplishment of this is remarkable. if it wasn't for a blog called new southern negress, i wouldn't have explained half of it. frankly, that's part of the beauty of it, because it's not for me to understand. it's an unapologetic statement not just of blackness, but southern blackness. to have it happen the day before the super bowl, beyonce is the cam newton of popular culture, or maybe cam newton is the beyonce of football. >> literally, she did the socks and sandals. she had the actual socks and sandals. how could that have happened. how is that even possible. >> and a real dialogue that happened with a friend of mine. said when have we seen something so unapologetically southern and black in history, and my friend said how about a week ago when cam newton said our team is like collard greens. so the ties are really tight. not just because both cam newton and beyonce what they have in common is a level of just physical attractiveness that makes you feel like they're not
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only breaking molds, they're creating new molds. >> i don't even know how you. >> this is about to b be #superbowlsoblack. i'm such a beyonce fan, i can't always be exactly rational. >> i worry about that. my students were pushing back on me because i do stand awfully hard for her. they were like, but wait a minute, maybe actually the inscrutability of it is problematic about whether or not it actually operates as an intervention in the black lives matter movement. >> even if i'm predisposed to love everything she does, i don't think anyone can deny the power of the video. i think of it as an act of righteous defiance. a provocation poised on the eve of the super bowl. it's something she didn't have to do. she's at the pinnacle of her career. she could just lay back and crank out hits and everybody would love it. but she chose to do this. and i think it's part of a narrative she's been telling over several albums. if you follow her career, it's
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i remember growing up, watching the super bowl with my family, and it's an event that families come together and watch. i knew i had to make the best of the moment, and i wanted it to be something iconic and something that people would never forget. >> that was beyonce in a new and rare interview with cbs talking about her extraordinary halftime performance at the 2013 super bowl. judging by the video she just dropped for formation, you bet her super bowl appearance tonight will probably be another game changer. so for me, again, participate of what i loved about the visuals here is the way that she looks at southern black culture with such love. and it reminds me of no angel
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and the way she does the houston third ward, and it could through certain eyes feel exploited, but when she's looking at it, it feels very loving, but she did just do a kind of problematic kind of anth ropological gaze in the coldplay piece. break it down. >> i think it's problematic, and i very much viewed it as appropriation. the challenge here is she's such an important artist that i thought, man, we're going to have to break up, and now i'm like, let me get you these cheddar bay biscuits. the other thing i want to say mere, though, is one, she really challenges the king narrative subtly. she said he's more than a dreamer. that's so important, and it's also a real clap back at anybody that would sort of read her as white or leaning towards whiteness to extract that king narrative. the last thing i want to shout out professor xand ria robinson's piece because in the end, when beyonce is sinking down into the water and i thought why would she drown?
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how is that triumphant, she said she uses her body and her black woman labor to finally sink the car and submerge it. that's such a tribute to the labor of black women in this movement, that they're saying we're not going to let the state continue to take us out, even if we have to put our bodies on the line. >> can we talk about how long and how uncomfortable it is, how long she holds the double middle finger, right? because there's a moment in flawless where she gives us a quick middle finger, right? but she just is like, for a really long -- like patriarchy, you take all of that. >> no one is as gracious and commanding at the same time with offering an f-you as beyonce. even in the song, she gets at people who participate in anti-blackness with respect to her child and son, because a lot of that was in house. >> almost all of it was. >> and she got them together. she just -- i literally just want to say thank you, mother.
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i love heso much. >> it feels to me like part of what that is, is the anti-respectability politics. the sinking of the car, and the getting at folks on her child's hair, and also getting at a whole movement that is saying, she's signaling a black lives matter movement that is doing something different than a civil rights movement. saying we're just not doing -- also, did anyone notice she's having sandwiches again, which obviously she ate. like, thank you, beyonce. >> only she can start conversations like this. there's no other pop artist who can -- >> literally what she says. >> she's right. >> the line is like you know you're that b when you're starting all the conversations. >> she is a genius thing by not oversaturating the market. when she drops a single, everyone stops in their tracks and must dow down. >> that's right. >> i wanted to say, i don't like the comparison, oh, you like this, but you didn't like kendrick lamar's song. kendrick lamar's song, while it
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got people talking, but not necessarily for a good reason because he was essentially blaming black people for being victims of racism that is beyond their control. black on black crime, that's a very stupid reductive way of looking at things. we need to move beyond that. that video is a celebration of every facet of blackness and a direct f-you to much of the white supremacy and institutionalized racism. >> you get the last word. >> without queer black women, there is no black lives right matter, and without the courage of black mothers like jordan davis'mot mother, trayvon martin'smotor, there is no black lives matter moment. beyonce centered them as the reason why we have this new civil rights movement. that's not done nearly enough in our popular culture or our media. >> amen. thank you to britney, and michael, and michael, anytime you want to come back and say beyonce is better than kendrick lamar, you can come. dave and adam are sticking
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flashiest spectacle in sports. now, the only thing representing my beloved new orleans at this year's super bowl isn't the saints, but beyonce's formation, and that's just going to have to be good enough for me. you know team mhp isn't just watching the halftime show. we have our eyes on the quarterback of the moment. carolina panther cam newton. the end zone dabbing superman channeling star quarterback who runs the 40-yard dash in 4.59 seconds and who has dominated defenses, throwing a career high 35 touchdown passes and a career low 10 interceptions for a team that lost just once. yet, the newly minted mvp has launched a firestorm of criticism along his road to the lombardi. the reason? cam likes to dance. when celebrating a touchdown, a dance that gnaws at some folks in game, like the titans coach who said it's a little rubbing it in your face.
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there's a little code of ethics in the nfl. it's not a good move. >> nfl is so ethical. >> fans pile on newton, too, like the unsettled onlooker who penned an open letter to newton, because his celebratory moves scandalized her and her 9-year-old daughter, complaining about, quote, the chest puffs, the pelvic thrusts, the arrogant struts, and the in your face taunting. tack on angry editorials about newton being an unwed father irked headlines about his fashion sense and shoe game, along with these choice words by former patriots safety rodney harrison. >> if i was playing against cam newton, i would try to take him out. i would try to take him out. >> what do you mean? >> i would try to hurt him. i would go right at his knees. >> yeah, that's real ethical. then on thursday, just when we thought there was nothing left to criticize about a man who has
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done nothing but win and act joyful about it, he was asked this question. >> why are you wearing socks with sandals? >> why are you wearing jeans -- with shoes? >> seriously. sandals and socks? joining my panel is shana rene stevenson, founder and editor in chief of all sports everything. also joining me from minneapolis, minnesota, is ben leave lieber, sports radio host on k fan. may i ask, is that like, are socks and sandals like a thing that is somehow bad for the nfl? i'm sorry, this really feels -- this feels like an odd pile-on for a guy who is having this level of accomplishment. >> listen, nobody wears socks
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with sandals. nobody does. >> everybody wears socks with sandals. >> no, no. your dad wears socks with sandals on the beach. and you criticize him for it. cam newton probably shouldn't wear socks with sandals, but the thing that everybody loves about cam newton is he does it his own way. there's no way you can totally criticize him. >> for me, i want to come out, for me, i guess the thing i'm finding most difficult about this is the idea that there is some ethical code of behavior in a game where the rule -- like the actual rules are hit the other guys. i mean, so beyond everything else going on in the nfl, right, just even the basic rules of the game, and this kid is dancing when he wins. >> right. i mean, that's the sheer irony of this whole thing. i think what it boils down to is cam newton is a black quarterback, as he stated last week, and he is excelling at the game, winning at the game, in a position where black quarterbacks haven't necessarily
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been accepted in a very long time. and he's doing it his own way. he's a dual threat. and that in essence is a threat to those who aren't necessarily a fan of his. >> i'm literally shocked. actually shocked that i'm doing this segment. how could it possibly be true in 2016, adam, that we're doing a segment about people can't get their heads around a black quarterback. i don't want to do the obama, we have a black president for eight years, but for real, are we having emotions on a black quarterback? >> i think so. >> how could we have emotions about a black quarterback? >> i'm not. >> as a country. >> a certain segment of this population that thinks black athletes should be seen and not heard. we have dress codes to keep them from expressing themselves. we is rules that keep them from enjoying themselves in the end zone. there's something that is very visceral to certain people when a black athletes says, yeah, i am the greatest and i am amazing.
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try to stop me. we saw it happen with mohammed ollie. we saw it with lebron james when he said i want to play for a team that can win. and cam newton. he's been the best player in the nfl this year. he's earned it. >> it's because he's unapologetically black, and he's playing the position of quarterback in a way that is very trancegressive because there are these unwritten rules if you're going to be quarterback, you have to be like rodney harrison's quarterback tom brady and look constipated on the field. i have to go to the bathroom and i hate my teammates and i'm going to yell at you on camera. somehow, that's not showing off, not showing people up, that's not air, but cam newton looking happy to be there is arrogance. >> okay, but let's back up. let's back up to the first time i became really aware of professional football was 30 years ago, and it was the super bowl shuffle. it was the chicago bears. it was a whole team of like wonderful arrogant guys, led by the most arrogant quarterback of
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all time, right? jim mcmahon, who actually mooned the, you know, but we loved him for it. we embraced him for it. ben, i mean, that was 30 years ago that we saw mcmahon doing that. and in fact, we all wore the headbands. that was a thing. >> yeah, it was. and the thing i think that he gets a lot of criticism for is because he not only appeals to the urban but also the suburban. this is a black issue whether people want to admit it or not. he's only the sixth quarterback to ever start a super bowl being african-american. yes, there is that story line, but he pulls it off so perfectly. he's perfectly flawed, i think in his leadership abilities. he does a great job with community stuff. teammates love him. you have that aspect where he's respected by guys in the locker room. does he celebrate too much? yeah, i think he does. he pushes the envelope on being disrespectful at times. but he's so polarizing that he
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dresses nicely, one of the sharpest dressed guys in the nfl. black or white, young or old, you love him wbecause he's entertaining. he's playing quarter back in a whole new way that is new age and for some it's hard to handle. >> we're going to go to break, but i don't know if he's celebrating too much. i'm going to give it a little beyonce. i think he's twirling on them haters. we're going to break. number which matches my dr. scholl's custom fit orthotic inserts. now i get immediate relief from my foot pain. my knee pain. find a machine at drscholls.com
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there's a commissioner in charge of the national football league who took the als ice bucket challenge while his league formally denies there's any connection between head injuries and als. this commissioner stood up, roger goodell, in front of a whole group of reporters. they said what do you think about football being dangerous? his response was, it's also dangerous to sit on the couch. this is tobacco company level stuff. when they said you could also die from eating too much applesauce. that's where roger goodell is, he's reached peak tobacco. it really does boggle my mind. with cam newton, like beyonce has done, is opened up political space to have wider discussions in the culture. i was listening to the show mike and mike on espn, which is kind of a jackass show, and on it was this guy dominique foxworth, and he said cam newton reminds me of w.e.b. dubois, and the idea you have to be one person in front of one and one in the other.
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that's what cam newton brings to the table, a cultural educate. >> one of the coolest things is when he gives the footballs away to little kids after he scores a touchdown, most of the little kids are white. they have no knowledge of warren moon and how the nfl forced him to play in canada for years. he won every championship in the world for them to even allow him to start. and they're going to grow up in a world where cam newton is commonplace. and nothing about his race is going to necessarily permeate their consciousness. that alone is a revolutionary thing. >> warren moon was cam's mentor and one of the pieces of advice he gave him was be yourself. that's one of the regrets he had when he was a player, he felt he couldn't really be himself. what we see is cam heeding that advice and doing it to the fullest power. >> and i wonder if that also, ben, let me go to you. if that releases something in him as a player. literally, we know from research that sort of having to hide some portion of yourself, having to
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conceal, having the double consciousness can affect performance on things like tests or athletic performance. >> it really can. you look back in the young nfl career, and he wasn't a great leader. he had poor body language when things got tough. when his teammates need him the most, you see him with the towel on his head, the head down, and not being a leader. he took a lot of that advice and said here's my epiphany. i need to start having fun, i need to be myself. when you're yourself, you're relaxed. we tell ourselves all the time, you play the best when you're prepared and relaxed and not thinking. whether it's xs and os or this reeld or that read, but your personality as well. if you can be yourself, then your leadership comes out of you naturally. he's having fun, and they talk about it's the most fun team to watch, because it permeates through the locker room. defensive guys are feeding off it, offensive guys. and it's created a team culture, a winning culture that everybody
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is going to be going after if they win the super bowl today. >> i will say, one of my favorite be yourself kind of permeate your leadership things is going to happen in a super bowl commercial today. it's a pantene commercial. and it's going to be -- you're going to seie these guys doing the hair of their daughters. and one more shout-out for the university where i work, wake forest university, and this pantene commercial is based on research done by one of my colleagues at wake forest university about father/daughter bonding. and so in a league that has also had some real issues and challenges around gender, it will be a nice moment to see these men acting as fathers in this role. it will be a nice one. thank you to ben leber in minneapolis, minnesota. also thank you to my guests here in new york, adam howard, shana renee stephenson, and dave is going to stick around longer. up next, how super bowl also became the story of gentrification. ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪
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we now bring you a tale of three stows. the first one, santa clara, california, where later >> we now bring you a tale of three cities. near san francisco, less than 50 miles north, the host of the pregame festivities. within that city is a city some of you have never heard of because it's only been around for about a week. super bowl city. it's like a pop up disneyland for super bowl heads. a fan village dishing out the special blend of fireworks, concerts, heightened police presence and an $8 bud light. it's a place they are navigating with cautious or avoiding all together. a scene that hip hop journalists likened to the hunger games. you have an elite that are
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drinking champagne and eating caviar and are sitting there trying to make sense out of what just hit them. because san francisco has been hit hard. the near of the golden gate bridge and victorian architecture for quirkiness and liberal politics. they are the epicenter of troubling social issues where homeless is getting sicker. the second highest for income inequality in the nation and residents are getting booted out of their homes by luxury condos and tech arrivals and the rich and the super bowl tale comes with no trophy. they are footing a $5 million bill while santa clara is not paying a dime. the elected board of supervisors
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who renegotiated the city's agreement to host the nfl. nice to have you. >> good morning. >> we know your city loves football, but share with united states why this touched a nerve. >> this is not about whether we welcome the super bowl or not. the debate around the super bowl is really about a larger systematic issue which is the growing economic divide and the question of whose city is this for. this is not between the rich and the poor. this is a divide between the ultra wealthy and everybody else. the nfl said what's $5 million? $5 million may not be a lot to one of the wealthiest companies in the world. they raked in $12.4 billion and the highest paid executive made $44 billion. the nfl will make $5 million in
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a 30 second commercial. that's a lot to a family that is homeless and living in their car and middle class household are who are struggling to live in san francisco. san francisco has an affordability crisis. a homelessness crisis. this is a debate about how we have public dollars that everyone contributes to. is it to pay for the wealthy or address the kreal critical issues. >> it feels to me what jane just laid out are the kinds of things i heard them talk about with the olympics. >> it's similar and using sports to push neoliberalism into a city and using our love of sports to push it through. at this game today they will be selling sausages with real gold flakes on top of them so you can eat gold on top of your sausage
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while you have as many as 10,000 people homeless and living in shelters and tent cities in san francisco. hunger games looks more like a cautionary tale when you think about this. we are reaching peak territory with what's happening and there needs to be a response. the one statistic is 61% of the homeless were working at the time when they lost their homes. >> let me come to you on that. the critique i heard is well, the folks who are angry about the super bowl are people unwilling to change the zoning of san francisco, unwilling to let san francisco build up and create a more new york-looking skyline that allow rents to come down. what do you say to that? >> this comes down to another issue which is that i reject the notion that cities shouldn't negotiate aggressively for its
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residents. i hear the same from the housing developers that we shouldn't ask for more and they won't build in the city and come to san francisco. the same as the host committee. last year i was able to negotiate two major housing deals where we won 40% after developers said 10 or 15% would prevent them from building at all. this is about making sure we are negotiating and fighting for the residents to make sure this is a city that includes everybody. >> let me ask one last question. mayor on ed lee said the homeless would have to leave the street for the super bowl. is that right? >> the mayor did say that earlier this sumer. i should add to the statistic that was mentioned, a third of homeless are children between the ages of 5 and 17. this is a moral and ethical issue not just for san francisco, but cities across the
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nation. one last thing i will say is that san francisco will make millions of dollars from the parties and i think that remains to be seen. what we know for sure is that the nfl will make tens of millions of dollars and not pay for any of it. >> i want to say thank you for jane kim. for those of united states who love sports and we have to keep our eyes on the ethical issues at the heart of it. thank you for joining us and from here in new york, thank you to dave to have him on a super bowl sunday. >> this is super bowl 50 and cam newton is responsible for 50 touchdowns where they celebrate the 50th anniversary. his name is cam newton and he was born in 1989, the near huey p newton was killed.
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