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hello there, good monday morning. special edition of msnbc's coverage of the new hampshire primary. i'm here in manchester, new hampshire, at our unbelievable headquarters here in the armory. right in the center of it all in the first in the nation primary. by this time tomorrow voting will be under way right here in new hampshire. we're all curious how much snow is going to be on the ground at that time. for many candidates on this morning and this morning after the super bowl you could argue it's a bit of a fourth and long. >> i know i'm behind and i'm going to keep fighting until the very last vote is counted. >> we have met recently with people like larry cob who actually worked in the reagan
administration, talked to people like jim zodley. >> the senator has been in public life next door for 25 years. >> the issue here is not just experience, the issue is judgment. >> senator sanders called the entire business model of wall street a fraud. >> when you talk about wall street are we talking about every bank or are we talking about a particular part of new york? >> he said, look, the system is rigged against you by the big banks and both parties are in the throw of the big banks. >> none of executives on wall street get charged on anything. >> good grief, we're getting offended about everything these days. people can't say anything without offending somebody. >> i would be very much in favor of going beyond water boarding and believe me in terms of getting information it works. >> there it is, the memorized 25 second piece. >> you said the same three or four times, i'm going to say it again. >> so you are not doing a one
term pledge. >> no, i'm not going to do a one term pledge. no. >> we've got a lot to get to here, a lot of other republican candidates to talk to you about besides donald trump there. let's show you the latest polling as we enter the home stretch. the latest tracking poll on the democratic side has hillary clinton 16 points behind bernie sanders. a monmouth university polling have the race a bit closer, they have clinton down 10 points, all of that depends on how big the independent number you think is going to be in the democratic primary. on the republican side the candidates are piling up behind donald trump you can see he's got the double digit lead but rubio and cruz, this poll has their tied for second, they are both down, bush and kasich tied for third. are they on the rise, are they holding steady? >> christie sitting at 5%. there's a lot of churn on the republican side. the only thing that everybody agrees on is that trump is ahead. at this point we have to figure out who is going to sneak into second, it's all about weather, it's all about that independent
number, is it kasich that's the biggest beneficiary of the rubio slide or is it jeb? we will get to that later in the hour. we will start with the democrats. with less than 24 hours to go until polls open the clinton campaign has unleashed former president bill clinton. take a listen. >> hillary's opponent has a different view. he said, look, it's -- it's a her met clee sealed box, it's very effective. he said, look, the system is rigged against you by the big banks and both parties are in the throw of the big banks. anybody that takes money from goldman sachs couldn't possibly be president. you heard that sort of in the last debate, didn't you? well, after that cnn report yesterday he may have to tweak that answer a little bit, either that or we are going to have to get us a write in candidate. but the -- god, that was funny. what we need to do is deal with the next crisis.
what these hedge funds are doing and billionaires are doing off the banks. hillary says don't blind yourself with hatred of categories, go after bad actors. the bad actors are everywhere, get them where they are. bad actors. >> kristen welker, let me start with you and the decision to have bill clinton go out there and unleash him. so he also -- there's more to that -- to that hit yesterday, he talked about some of sanders' supporters saying that he couldn't even read some of the tweets, some of the social media on there, the so-called bernie bros. how did it play? >> reporter: well, look, bill clinton is referred to as the big dog, right, chuck? i think he finally started barking yesterday. the campaign making the calculation that they wanted him to ramp up his attacks against senator sanders and some of those perceived sexist remarks from some of his supporters.
in part to try to come back here, they're making a real issue out of the fact that secretary clinton would become the first female president and as you point out, he was very aggressive at going after the so-called bernie bros and the fact that he said a lot of their comments online were sexist. that's something that we have heard echoed by other of secretary clinton's top you a surrogates including mod listen all bright, she was also on the trail this last week and she said there's a special place in hell for women that don't support each other. this is a comment she has made in the past frequently but it takes on a whole new meaning in a campaign event. she also criticized senator sanders on his foreign policy. take a listen to what she had to say about that during an interview with me over the weekend. >> really i think does not know things. i was surprised at the answers to his questions in the debate. most people know how many
dictators north korea has. i have spent an awful lot of time on the hill, in a variety of ways, i've gone up and down briefings and all kinds of things. unless he looked totally different at the time he has never been to any briefing. >> reporter: now, of course, senator sanders pushed back against that characterization in his interview with you saying that's not true, he has been to foreign policy briefings. in terms of how this is being received it's getting a mixed reaction. when these comments are said in the context of a campaign event, you hear a lot of cheers in the room, but then on social media a very different reaction. a mixed reaction certainly to some of the comments from madeline all bright and bill clinton's harsh rhetoric yesterday on the trial. will it help secretary clinton? we will have to wait a see. she has started to inch up in the polls a tiny bit here in new hampshire. it's interesting this campaign it's getting nasty between the candidates, between surrogates, but we have yet to see it happen on tv.
anyway, obviously you're hearing hillary clinton and her supporters, they are going after bernie sanders and his foreign policy credentials. here is what the senator told me yesterday on "meet the press." >> the issue here is not just experience, the issue is judgment. i voted against the first gulf war which history will record as the right vote. i led the opposition against the war in iraq. which history will also record as being the right thing. >> kasie hunt is following the sanders campaign. kasie, obviously they're trying to push back on this issue of the foreign policy credentials. how are they doing on this and are we going to see them attempt to try to find some foreign policy surrogates that can help them do this because so far they don't have any? >> reporter: well, at this point, chuck, it's a little bit
of one note, right, and you heard some of it there with senator sanders talking about judgment and the iraq war in his interview with you. he of course naming a couple of surrogates, jim zogby, j street in that interview that gave the clinton campaign pause partly because it could potentially raise flags with the hawkish more pro israel wings of the democratic party. i want to play for you sanders on the trail yesterday talking about this particular issue. >> that's the same argument used against barack obama in 2008. who is this senator, this young senator, he doesn't have any experience in foreign policy. didn't work then, won't work now. >> reporter: so there you have it. same argument he says that barack obama -- that the hillary clinton campaign made against barack obama at a campaign event in portsmouth he said that people are lecturing him on foreign policy and that he of course, again, hitting that idea that he was against the war in iraq when hillary clinton voted
for it. but i think the broad challenge here, chuck, is whether or not these attacks really are going to stick in the final days. i think the sense when we first got here on the ground was that the sanders campaign knew this was going to close but over the weekend he's starting to say we can win new hampshire if the turnout is right. it sounds like they are getting a little more comfortable with how wide that margin is staying even as it is creeping a little bit closer. >> that's for sure. kasie hunt, thanks very much. let me bring in a representative of the sanders campaign, jeff weaver. good morning. >> good morning, chuck. how are you? >> happy new hampshire primary eve. >> thank you. i want to play for you a little bit more of what former president clinton said yesterday when it comes to the revolution. take a listen. >> sure. sur sure. >> i hope. >> it's a hermetically sealed deal. if you are not for us, "the boston globe," the concord monitor, the portsmouth
newspaper, they are all part of the establishment, except the nashua paper, they endorse her, too, but bernie took what they said good about him and put it in under all these endorsements except they didn't endorse. today they used a veteran's name saying he endorsed. he didn't endorse. but if you pointed out it just shows you how tight you are not establishment. i mean, when you're making a revolution you can't be too careful about the facts. >> former president clinton accusing your campaign of being -- playing fast and loose. what do you say to him? >> look, this is what i'm going to say to him, this campaign the tone has obviously changed substantially from the clinton people. early on in the campaign senator sanders was the conscience of the party, a great leader, visionary, so on and so forth. now that the race has tightened suddenly, you know, he is the -- you know, the source of all evil in the world. so i take this with a grain of salt, it's very much like 2008, people will remember when president clinton was unleashed to go after then senator obama and, you know, i think we're going to see comments like this
getting more and more and more extreme and ultimately very self-defeating for the clinton people. >> you think it's extreme what he did? >> i said it's going to get more and more extreme. >> let's go to this foreign policy issue, though. he named three or four -- he named three groups to me, three entities, two individuals and one individual and j street to kate snow he said he has nobody on the campaign that is focused on foreign policy, just in his senate staff. the difference one argument that could be made the difference between obama and sanders is candidate obama he had people like tony lake, he did have a foreign policy team around him, greg craig, susan rice was an early person on his campaign. where are those people with you? >> look, i think you will see that developing in our campaign as well. let me say this, senator sanders has been in the congress, you know, for a couple of decades. he has had to consider and vote on dozens and dozens of foreign policy issues, he has been overseas meeting with foreign leaders many, many, many times. we can roll out all the
photographs of him with leaders of foreign countries dealing with foreign issues. so he actually has a broad background compared to many people, certainly compared to any governor in this race on foreign policy. does he have as much, quote/unquote, experience as a four-year secretary of state? obviously not. but the question is when you have somebody in the white house people want to know the judgment they are going to use in resolving conflicts is going to be sound judgment, that war will be the last resort. >> i want to pick up on something he said to me yesterday. he said the first gulf war that he voted against that history will judge him correctly on that. history has actually said that that first gulf war was a success because it did what it was supposed to do, it was a coalition, they pushed saddam hussein out of kuwait and the united states pulled back. >> that was a war that was opposed by the majority of senate democrats including vice president biden. the unspoken truth of that war is we had 500,000 americans
coming back who were injured with gulf war illness. that was a very costly and expensive war. >> he does believe that war was a mistake? >> i think whaeblngs was that we did not exhaust every opportunity to resolve that conflict without war. >> finally let me ask about bernie bros. obviously this has been an issue, he has talked about this. you guys have been asked about this before. there's only so much i get that you can do to police your supporters, but isn't there something more you guys can do to police your supporters? >> we do to the extent we can police our supporters. >> some of this stuff is nasty. >> of course. >> i've been on the receiving end of it myself. >> there's the other world, its clinton bots are out there as well which we have not gotten into, paid and unpaid clinton people trolling around on the internet, stirring up trouble. that's fine. this is an issue about the candidates, what are the candidates doing and saying. the fact they want to distract people's attention from what their candidate is saying and has done i think is very, very telling in this case. >> do you have any concern that
you guys could lose this in the last second? new hampshire is a funky place, we have seen crazier things before. >> absolutely. we are working hard, we are here in this state, we take nothing for granted. >> does a big turn out help you or snow help you? >> a big turn out always helps senator sanders. the more people come out the better he does. >> get your snow shoes on, i think. still much more ahead this hour. live from manchester or wonderful headquarters here, first in the nation. we will turn to the republican side of the race and that demolition derby below donald trump in the polls. marco rubio is about to hold a town hall in nashua, new hampshire, he is now tied with cruz for second and one of the tracking polls out of the granite state today but is he on the way up or is he on the way down? we'll keep an eye on that live event. there's yet another poll that shows kasich is the man on the right, 14% of the vote. you talk to the behind the scenes folks and they will tell you kasich is the guy that might
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so who will be the biggest beneficiary of the rubio slide? a lot of campaigns quietly are worried that it's john kasich. the kasich people are not worried that it's them, they're hoping that it's them. catching up in the jumble of tracking polls less than a day before the first votes are cast in the new hampshire republican primary, is it kasich that's on the move? i caught up with him yesterday, he is one happy warrior.
take a listen. >> give me the elevator pitch at this point. why you are saying stop kicking the tires, make your decision. >> look, i bring people together to solve big problems, jobs, i want to transfer power, money and influence outs of washington. when we have economic growth, which i helped to create both in washington and ohio, we make sure we don't leave anybody behind and we can solve the biggest challenges in this country if we bring people together and be americans before anything else. >> i'm curious, the president on friday said this, unemployment rate dipped below 5 and he said unemployment, deficits, gas prices are down, jobs, wages and the rate of the insured are up, i should mention by the way that since i signed obamacare into law nearly 18 million americans have gained coverage and businesses have created jobs every month since. on net all of them full-time jobs. a way of he feels as if he's not getting enough credit. what do you say to that? >> well, look, i mean, the strength of the u.s. economy is
amazing, it has an inherent strength to t but when you overregulate, raise taxes and can't control your spending you get anemic growth and that's what we have. i can tell you in ohio the wind has been in my face from washington. >> you still think that i know it is. it's definitely in my face. when you overregulate, raise taxes and can't control spending it makes people nervous. >> you have had six months to make the impression here, you may finish second, you may finish first, you're clearly durable here. you're not going to get six months in south carolina, you're not going to get six months in nevada. are you ready for that? >> i mean, look, this is a launching pad. it's like that old bowie song, once you get up into space people want to know what kind of shirt you wear. we are prepared, we have people on the ground -- >> you are prepared for the moment. >> oh, yeah. >> when you hit your moment if you don't have it -- we've seen some of these candidates they had the moment, they didn't have
the money. >> absolutely. and the other part of it is, look, i work as hard as i can, but at the end of the day it's all in the hands of the big guy and i'm very cool with it. i'm having the time of my life. you know, finishing out here is going to be just fantastic and then we move on and nothing is going to change, my message isn't going to change. the key is when we go to places where there's 1,000 or 2,000 people, how do we do town halls? >> i was going to say the town hall -- >> i have my best people thinking about it. >> mccain ran into this problem in 2,000. great here. >> unless you have a wireless and walk around in the crowd and people can hear you. we're going to try to do it. we'll see. >> phil donohue. >> absolutely. phil con hue or, i don't know -- >> i'm aging myself. >> you are. >> we'll say steve harvey. all right. thank you, governor. stay safe. >> thank you. >> let's bring in our team of nbcs correspondence on the
trail. gabe gutierrez has been following the rubio campaign, i'm joined by chris januarysy and peter alexander right next to me. gabe, let me start with you, you're about to see a rubio town hall any second in nashua, nashua is southern new hampshire, the suburbs of massachusetts, an important place for rubio to do well. how is the campaign feeling after a brutal 36 hours of post debate coverage? >> hi there, chuck, good morning. i'm in a bit of a small venue at bae systems i will keep my voice soft. this event about to get started any minute now. marco rubio here trying to reach out to this company of military contractor and meeting some of the employees here about to hold this town hall event. the campaign is doubling down as you guys have been talking about, they say that they are best positioned to take on the democrats and that marco rubio's performance on saturday besides that exchange with chris christie that he still had a strong event on foreign policy but all day yesterday marco rubio at his town hall events
was saying that he does not regret what happened there. that he is passionate about his message. here is him speaking at a super bowl watch party last night. let's take a listen. >> and i don't care how much it bothers people in the media, how much it annoys people on twitter we are going to keep saying this. this isn't is trying to change america. we are going to be america again. >> reporter: now, the question right now is how will voters react to this. we were at several of those town hall meetings yesterday, many of the people we spoke with said we don't mind if he sticks to his script, all politicians are scripted to do some extent and they believe that marco rubio is best positioned to take on the democrats. as you guys have been talking about other campaigns are pouncing on this, there is a lot of questions about which other candidates will benefit most, kasich or bush. chris christie still pouncing on marco rubio this morning saying he is just not fit to be president. certainly a very rough debate performance over the weekend.
right now we're trying to figure out what happens next this this campaign. this latest tracking poll he is neck and neck with ted cruz. will this change a great deal when the voters go to the po polls tomorrow, chuck? >> gabe, i'm going to let you go, let you sit down, get ready for that rubio town hall. >> chris, it is -- what's fascinating here, nicolle wallace mentioned something with me on the "today" show she said the dirty secret of republican politics is rubio is pretty divisive internally. it is envy of the ambition, this happened with candidate barack obama, too, there is a little bit of that and it's almost some in the party are gleeful of this. >> there's also a gleeful part because they think they have the opening right now. they see what happened in the debate as bunching everybody together even more. when you talk to the campaigns and they're looking at what they're tracking in their internals they're saying we think this is maybe even a crazier race than we thought it was before. you talk about how many tickets
could come out of new hampshire, has this changed the narrative that more people can make a rationaler leaving here because they will be so tightly bunched in after donald trump. >> that's the thing here, peter. first of all, donald trump, he's -- he's the one ahead, he's doing fine. it looked like five days ago we were wondering, oh, is he going to start sinking like iowa and could marco rubio catch him, could he actually win this thing. there's still some kept issism about the size of trump's lead but i don't think thinks he's going to lose. >> speaking of the super bowl we witnessed last night. marco rubio is the cam newton, he is this rising star but all of a sudden he is facing a journeyman opponent, payton manning who brought him down to size. all this talk about marco rubio in effect he is we're missing the fact that we are on the cusp of a historic presidential moment. donald trump is political novice is about to win in new hampshire
if these numbers prove to be true. everything plays to his strengths right now. so with a lot of focus on two, three or that big traffic jam behind him, trump is about to do something. >> and, chris, to your point i think the consequences of saturday night are nobody gets out. >> that's exactly right. >> why? >> go to south carolina and have a brutal ten days, knock down, dragged out, quinn ten tarantino movie, i guess. >> super tuesday we overuse the word super, superstar -- it is going to be a super tuesday. the implications for first of all what happened on -- over the weekend on that debate could be potentially explosive and i keep looking for the reference by john kasich. >> we can't find it, can we? >> ziggy star bust maybe a little space odyssey. >> there was nothing about a shirt. we were trying, governor kasich. >> he did say i think my space ship knows which way to go. >> if the kasich camp is
watching they're welcome to let us know. >> let us know the shirt reference. thank you very much. after the break my conversation with governor jeb bush and why he says no matter what happens tomorrow in new hampshire it's south carolina. we'll be right back. the police for politics. stick around. every day you read headlines about businesses
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what happens if america is unwilling or even worse unable to play the role it has now played since the end of the second world war? >> that is marco rubio right now, this is that town hall at b.a.e. there, a defense contractor, he is talking to employees. you've just heard a little bit of that. we'll keep dipping in and checking it out and seeing what's going on there. he's got four stops, i believe, today. he will be in nashua twice, once this morning and i think he ends his da i in nashua. if you are thinking about it geographically nashua is very similar, sort of the high end suburbs, sort of the wealthier suburbs here of sort of massachusetts, outer massachusetts, bordering of massachusetts that rubio needs to do well with if he is going to surge. speaking of people that are fighting for this second place ticket out of new hampshire i sat down one-on-one with the former governor of florida, jeb bush. he's somebody that remains very optimistic about his chances
tomorrow. >> i have a proven record, i hope they took away that, and that having experience matters, that we're living in dangerous times and someone who has had a proven record learns through trial and error what it is to make a tough decision. i think the other governors share that belief as well. >> why is it that this electorate seems to have been gravitating to two first term senators and a guy that hasn't voted in a republican primary since 1989. >> because people are angry and anxious and they're latching on to the folks that can say, for example, ted cruz talked about carpet bombing. you know, that's an impulse when you're scared about isis. well, carpet bombing is not necessary anymore, we have precision weaponry, we don't have to make the sands glow in the dark. as you get closer, particularly in new hampshire where they kick the tire here all the time, you know, having some sense of a little deeper appreciation of leadership begins to matter. i sense that in our town hall meetings. >> look, i don't want to sit
here and say how well do you have to do in new hampshire but you've said i think how well you have to do in new hampshire. you said you think you are in second or third place right now, you feel like you have the momentum. if that's not the result what happens? >> then i will see you in south carolina. >> no matter what. >> wednesday morning we start the campaign there and we have the best organization in nevada. by end of february we will have probably 4% of all the delegates that have been counted. there is a long way to go, sometimes it takes time to be able to make your case. we have the resources. our campaign is doing well, i feel good about it. >> do you worry that resources hasn't mattered? you spend $2,800 per vote in iowa. you've spent -- >> it's lower in new hampshire. >> okay. but you've collectively with your super pac spent $30 million here. you've already spent $50 million and you might not win either state. >> we're doing well. we're doing fine and we will beat expectations and we will be in south carolina and i'm excited about it.
in fact, of the governors at least i'm the only one that has a national campaign. we are on the ballot everyplace, we have a great organization, lindsey graham has been spectacular in terms of his support. he could have supported any of hess colleagues but he picked me because he knows that i would be the best commander in chief. >> you know, he said a pretty blunt line, if you don't beat rubio -- >> no, he said if i get crushed by rubio. >> okay. if you get crushed by rubio you're toast. fair enough. is he right? >> i'm not going to get crushed by him. >> okay. but is he right? >> i'm not going to get crushed by him. >> what did you make of senator rubio last night? this scripted, you know, message discipline is important and i envy candidates who can repeat the same thing over and over again, my brother was good at that, but to be so scripted that you can't have the agility to show, you know, the leadership skills that you need to be president of the united states i think is -- became clear last night. >> he made a new argument that i hadn't heard before from him about barack obama, that he wasn't experienced he knew exactly what he was going to do.
>> he's been repeating it over and over again. it's scripted. in the debate he went back to his stump speech. the fact is while barack obama certainly is a liberal and gearing at his agenda there was nothing in his background that could suggest he could forge consensus and bring people together. we need a president that tries to work across the aisle again, our democracy assumes that is the case if not we have chaos and gridlock. >> some supporters of yours, senator warren hatch he said about all the attacks that your super pac has done against marco rubio. i would rather have a leadership support rather than run down others. pat roberts i don't think it's working for the best cause of action for the party could be successful. another senator i think it's a huge mistake. >> marco rubio should take down his ads attacking me, i guess. this is politics, man, you follow this stuff. come on. this is -- compared to previous election cycles this isn't
anything out of the ordinary. you compare and contrast. this is the test. and if the rubio campaign with all of this trying to, you know, coronation kind of approach to this, if they think this is tough, imagine what it's going to be like when hillary clinton starts going after the republican nominee. she has -- she doesn't have a compelling vision about what the future looks like. she will do what the clintons always do, which is demonize the opponent. everybody needs to man up here. >> do you think almost you are doing him a favor? i mean, if he ends up the nominee are you showing how you toughen him up. >> i will be the nominee and i will be toughened up because people go after me, too. >> we will have a lot more of my sit down with jeb bush later today on "meet the press" including what he has to say about donald trump and how he would handle the flint water crisis as wpt. "mtp daily," 5:00 p.m. eastern, set the dvr right in second right here on msnbc. up next, the critical role of the independent voter. they get to pick one ballot or
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and the question is kasich or clinton, sanders or trump, believe it or not that matters. let me bring in political analyst and political scientist of southern new hampshire university dean spiliotis. >> hi, chuck. >> let me plug your nh political capital.com. >> thank you. >> so the independent vote, all of these polls, the reason why i think new hampshire is known as the graveyard of pollsters is that because they don't necessarily get the percentage of independent voter correct. >> right. >> in either the democratic or republican primary. what are we going to see here? >> we'll see, but the reality is if you're an independent voter here or we call them undeclared voters, you can come into the voting booth and choose either a republican or democratic ballot. that introduces an element of instability into predicting the outcome. 44% of voters here are independent as you mentioned, not all of them swing back and forth between the primaries, but even if it's 10 or 15 or 20%
that can introduce annen emt of uncertainty. >> independent isn't synonymous with moderate. >> right. >> that i think drives me nuts when people say bernie sanders is winning independence. okay. but there's a lot of liberal independents, correct? >> there are liberal independents, conservative libertarian independents. basically people who don't like the idea of being constrained by one party or the other. it's really kind of part of the political culture up here. >> when we look at this, you hear about john kasich and that if there is a surge of independent voters that pick a republican primary ballot the conventional wisdom it helps him. do you buy it? >> it could help him. we know independent voters in this state tend to make up their mind late, we saw in iowa marco rubio picked up a lot of late deciders and independent voters, in theory that could happen here as well. i could see those independents going to any of the three governors who have spent a tremendous amount of time in the state. >> donald trump is doing well
with independents. >> absolutely. there are a lot of independents like him, people who are not necessarily part of the party political scene on a regular basis and they are being pulled into the process, it's easy to be pulled in here as an independent rather than a party member. >> is it the lion's share of undecided, the registered republicans and democrats, we are looking at basically the final voters. >> i think that's basically true. even some of the people in two parties are undecided but in this state people who belong to the parties tend to be regularly politically active than the independents. >> do we overrate this? >> a little bit. we won't have 40% of the lake effect ral deciding at the last minute but there may be 10 to 15% of independents who are uncertain who they will work for. >> every expert i talk to think total turn out will be 600,000 do you buy that? >> he had 533,000 was the record in '08.
600,000 would be over 60% of registered voters. >> 70% turnout. >> that would be remarkable and one of the things we love about new hampshire. >> your friends parse date. >> we turn out. it's a big party. >> thank you. up next a look at some of the critical story lines. we are now less than 12 hours away from the first votes, you know, they do that crazy thing, dick'sville notch. marco rubio's debate performance, how badly has it hurt him? and bill clinton is getting feisty, does that help or hurt hillary clinton? we'll be right back.
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i was standing next to him. it was an amazing thing. and you know, i have a good memory. i'm listening and i heard him make the statement. and then that was fine. then he made it a second time. that was sort of fine. you know, it was okay. but then he made it a third time, a fourth time, and a fifth time. i'm saying, am i hearing things? what's going on over here? >> donald trump probably having a little bit of fun tweaking
marco rubio there earlier today with our pals on "morning joe." joining me mattifieser and nbc's political editor carey dan. matt, you're covering the republican side. marco rubio consensus that he's hurt. do we think it's fatal or not? >> not fatal, but he really had a moment not to wrap it up, but he was threatening trump. there was a sense in this state that if marco rubio had a great debate performance, he could topple trump and you know, make himself the clear establishment candidate. he did not do that. the bush people are giddy. christie senses, you know, blood. so there's new energy in a lot of the other campaigns. >> that is what's amazing. he had a moment. he had an opportunity to put this thing -- put this thing away. put all those establishment guys away. and now the whole thing is thrown up, basically 52 pickup
like the old card game. throw all the cards in the air. >> i saw rubio yesterday in new hampshire, and so much of his argument is i'm the person who can win the general election. so much from the beginning to the end, his closing argument is i'm the person who is unite the party and win in november. this debate undermined a little bit of that argument. now you're starting to hear people say, what if marco rubio has to debate hillary clinton in a general election? can he stand up to her if she unleashes the kind of attacks chris christie was on saturday night? it was a part of the debate that really hurt of him with that central part of his argument. >> rubio has a strong organization in multiple states. he needs an opportunity to basically fix this. he's not going to get it before tomorrow. >> he also needed to push bush out. push kasich out. you know, and start to consolidate that. you know, it's still just a muddle, it feels right now. and people are sort of floating back to maybe who they were before, before they kind of got
interested in rubio. >> there's this assumption what the polls like like right now, trump and then a muddled mess two through six. that isn't the history of the new hampshire primary. the history is something is going topop. we just don't know how it pops. the question is, is it kasich, is it jeb? you talk to the private pollsters, they think those are the only two on the move. christie, although he did the damage, he didn't get the benefit. >> i was looking back at exit polls from 2008 and 2012. how late voters in the state make their decision is stunning. 1 in 5 say they make their decision on the day of the primary, and almost half say it's within the last couple days. so these moments for something to pop could happen so, so very close. remember back in 2008, hillary clinton's big moment, her emotional moment was so close to the day. >> on a saturday, i think. i want to say on a saturday. voting tuesday, and voila. >> that's where the change came
from. >> speaking of the democratic side and hillary clinton, the big dog came out and had some things to say about bernie sanders, and it got personal with some of bernie sanders' supporters. take a listen. >> she and other people who have gone online to defend hillary and explain, just explain why they supported her, have been subject to vicious trolling. and attacks that are literally too profane often, not to mention sexist, to repeat. >> anybody who supports me who is engaged in sexist attacks is unacceptable. i don't want that support. >> clinton attacking supporters. i always think it's -- i get where he's going. i think you have to be careful to attack somebody else's supporters in a primary because you needthet eventually. >> this is one of those moments, bill, you know, four years or eight years ago with obama. he kind of gets emotionally involved, and maybe goes a little bit far. i don't know if this is one of those moments.
>> we forget, he's a spouse. and spouses take it personally. there's nothing wrong with that, right? >> this wasn't as much of an outburst in 2008 in south carolina, like so vitriolic almost towards barack obama supporters. i remember, this argument happened in 2008 as well. people who were opposing hillary clinton were doing so because of her gender. bill clinton is again out. it might not be a great look for him, especially when you look at the video and not just the transcript. >> i was going to say, reads better than it looks. thank you both. i'm late. my apologies to my friend chris jen sg in the 10:00 hour. this wraps up here. we're sticking here all day. the place for politics for a reason. you shouldn't be anywhere else. i'll be back at 5:00 p.m. eastern for planned parenthood da "meet the press" daily. it's mechris jansing. a heart attack doesn't care if you run everyday,
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and there's one word everyone is using to describe this race on both sides, volatile. publicly, pollsters are saying what campaigns are whispering privately. new hampshire's famously late deciding voters may be more undecided this year than ever before. today, eight candidates at more than a dozen events across new hampshi hampshire. on the republican side, three polls all show donald trump leading, but at least five other candidates within striking distance of second. that was before the debate moment everyone is talking about. >> let's disspell once and for all with this fiction that barack obama doesn't know what he's doing. let's disspell with the fiction that barack obama doesn't know what he's doing. he knows exactly what he's doing. >> there it is. there it is, the memorized 25-second speech. >> anyone who believes barack obama isn't doing what he's doing on purpose doesn't
understand what we're dealing with here. okay, this is a president, this is a president who is trying to change this country. >> so after those repeated talking points, the other candidates see an opening to steal momentum that was rubio's out of iowa. >> that's not to say he's not gifted because he is. he's a gifted person and he will be a leader going forward, but he doesn't have aprieven record. i think people aren't willing to make a risky bet. >> are you feeling the pressure, and what are you going to do? >> do i look like i feel the pressure? >> you look pretty laid back. having said that. >> i'm very relaxed because i'm confident. the narrative going into last night, there was three people left, trump and cruz and rubio, and that's it, and the anointed one last night didn't liook lik he was ready for the game. i'm not ready to accept conventional wisdom on this. >> i'm chris jansing live in new hamp slr. we have a lot more on the republican race coming up. let's talk about the democrats and hillary clinton having
trouble convincing young women to vote for her. one of her most high profile surrogates, gloria steinem, ended up apologizing for saying this. >> men tend to get more conservative because they gain power as they age. and women get more radical views. they lose power as they age. >> wow, isn't that something? >> so it's kind of not fair to measure most women by the standard of most men because they're going to get more activist as they grow older. and when you're young, you're thinking, you know, where are the boys? the boys are with bernie. >> kristen welker covers the clinton campaign. kate snow interviewed bernie sanders over the weekend. kristen, let me start with you. sanders is leading in the polls here, and there seems to be now enough of a threat perceived that bill clinton was out yesterday really stepping up his attacks on bernie sanders. >> chris, it was so remarkable because former president bill clinton has been fairly understated in his campaign events. largely sticking to defending
secretary hillary clinton's record. a sharp contrast at an event here late yesterday when he attacked senator sanders directly. he also attacked some of senator sanders supporters. criticizing them for what he called sexist comments that they were lobbing online, and he went after the candidate directly. he characterized senator sanders' health care plan as unrealistic. and he had this to say about senator sanders' criticism of secretary clinton for accepting money from wall street. take a listen. >> hillary's opponent has a different view. he said, look, it's a hermetically sealed box, very effective. he said look, the system is rigged against you. by the big banks. and both parties are in the thrall of the big banks. anybody takes money from goldman sachs couldn't possibly be president. you heard that sort of in the last debate, didn't you? after that cnn report yesterday, he may have to tweak that answer
a little bit. either that or we're going to have to get us a write-in candidate. but -- that was funny. >> they call former president bill clinton the big dog, and we finally heard him bark yesterday effectively. the question is what impact will this ultimately have. secretary clinton is trailing senator sanders by double digits, according to almost every poll. we have seen her start to inch up in recent days. so does that trend continue? what the clinton campaign is hoping for, chris, is to close that gap with senator sanders. they think it's going to be very hard to win the state, but they also don't want to lose by double digits. secretary clinton, by the way, was out knocking on doors over the weekend, taking the campaign effectively into her own hands. we'll have to wait until tomorrow to see if all of the tactics are working. >> kristen welker, thank you. i want to bring in my msnbc colleague kate snow who got an interview with bernie sanders
over the weekend. you have all of these expectations now trying to be managed. the gap seems to be closing. accusations about the bernie bros going after some of the hillary supporters. what's going on? >> you're hearing sharper rhetoric from both sides. i had a chance to catch up with bernie sanders. it was right after he had gotten off the plane from "saturday night live." got in about 3:00 in the morning, and we caught up with him at his hotel. one of the things i asked him about is what bill clinton brought up last night, the idea there are male supporters of bernie sanders who are being vicious, as bill clinton put it, vicious trolling, and making profane and sexist comments about those who support hillary clinton. and this is what he had to say. >> hillary clinton supporters have reported some online harassment from your supporters. are you familiar with this? they call them bernie bros. do you have anything to say to that? >> sure. anybody who supports me who is engaged in sexist attacks is unacceptable. i don't want that support. but you know, we have millions
of people out there. and you know, we cannot control every single person, but i don't want anybody, anybody to be supportive of me who is engaged in sexism. >> do you know if that's actually happened in your campaign? >> we're trying to do what we can do. >> so again, unacceptable, chris. and he said that several times over the last couple days. i think you see the dialogue starting to focus a little bit on women voters for just the reason you mentioned. they're up for grabs and they seem to be supporting bernie sanders in larging numbers, which of course is not what we might have expected a year ago when hillary clinton was launching her campaign. >> how confident does he seem to you? >> he seems very confident of winning here in new hampshire. they had a lot of questions about what they do next. he talked about the ground game and having to hire people. he joked nobody is going to be watching the super bowl on my staff because we're too busy scrambling to get people in place in south carolina and nevada. but he was energized. his energy was remarkable to me.
especially given that he had gotten in at 3:00 in the morning. he was also really excited about having appears on "saturday night live." larry david, by the way, is one of his comedy icons. i asked if he was a fan of "curb your enthusiasm" and he's like, oh, i watch the show all the time. he thought it was one of the best shows on television. >> and talk about appealing to the younger voters. >> exactly, and he called it surreal. there's a feeling also with bernie sanders that he's pinching himself. he can't quite believe where he's at. he said when he launched his campaign last april, honestly, when i pushed him on it, he said i didn't expect to do this well up against hillary clinton. >> kate snow, thank you. i want to bring in here in manchester brian fallon, who is press secretary for the clinton campaign. so many things i want to get to. let's start with sort of this, and it's a perception, i think, that is out there when i talk to voters that bernie sanders does have this kind of energy, that he sort of represents a certain
dream that people have back to the american dream, back to real possibilities. and there's a pragmatism about hillary clinton. they appreciate her experience, but she doesn't get them as riled up. not fair? >> not fair. i think that hillary clinton on the trail exudes heart. if you look at her career, this is somebody who channeled her idealism and passion from a young age. if you look at the 23irs job she took outside of law school when she graduated, she didn't go to a big corporate law firm, she went to work for the children's defense fund and knocked on doors and exposing segregated schools in alabama. >> why aren't more young women relating to that? what's going on with that? >> we find we're doing well with women in general. >> the polls show you're not doing well here. bernie sanders is killing you with young women, women under 45. >> we have room to grow. the more hillary clinton talks about her own background and biography, especially to young people is not well known, the more she'll connect. >> gloria steinem apologized for
her remarks, but madeleine albright said there was a special place in hell for women who don't vote for hillary. young women said they were offended by that, the idea they should vote for her just because she's a woman. do you think she wouldn't have said it? >> that's a line she has used for years. >> and maybe some would say belongs back in the '60s or '70s or '80s. >> i even saw it on a starbucks coffee cup a few years ago, talking about female empowerment. hillary clinton, the fact she's a female is an important attribute of hers. i think it means she would bring a unique perspective to the oval office, one we haven't had with any of the 44 presidents to date. we know women are not going to vote for her or any voter, simply on her gender. we're pleased to have strong support among women generally. bernie sanders is going to pick up support from women as well, and we accept that. >> do you accept bernie sanders at his word, that they're
looking into this bernie bros alleged incident and he doesn't want anyone who is sexist or making sexist remarks associated with his campaign? >> i think there are fair questions being raised about the extent to which bernie sanders is losing control of his campaign. this was a question raised by rachel maddow at the debate the other night. it's not just with respect to the online following of his that does sometimes engage in crude humor and sexist comments. the american legion is calling on the sanders campaign, threatening them with legal action if they don't stop using images of the american legion. you have also seen the sanders campaign come under criticism in nevada over the fact they had campaign workers posing as culinary workers there. senator sanders at the outset pledged to run a different type of campaign. he needs to be held to a high standard. >> do you think he or any candidate can have control over what people say on social media? >> absolutely not, not full control, but it's the responsible of every campaign to
try to keep the conversation at a high level. >> brian, good to see you. good luck. thank you so much. let me bring in ed o'keefe, political recorder with the "washington post." francesca is a reporter for the daily mail. ed, where do you see the campaign on the democratic side? >> as we have witnessed, it's getting a little nasty. you know, with 24 hours to go, i think there's a sense that the clinton campaign could probably close the gap a little bit but is going to fall short here. now it's just a matter of figuring out exactly how close she is get to him. what we're seeing is probably what we're going to see for the next few weeks. as we have been seeing on the republican side, now playing out among the democrats. >> what's going on with young women as you see it? and not just in new hampshire but going forward? >> that's a big voting block that she could be tapping into better, going back to the iowa numbers. bernie sanders won 53% of unmarried women. you just said as she talked
about the issues more going forward, a lot of women who don't know about her background may learn about it and like her more. in iowa, she wasn't talking about that. she was talking about health care, hillary care, and she had hillary care before there was obamacare. not the issue s you were referencing. >> messaging, where will we see it going in the next 24 hours, ed? >> at this point, as brian was laying out, sort of reminding people of mrs. clinton's record, and sanders just sort of has to keep talking about the revolution. that has been working for him. even jeb bush praising his tv ad here in new hampshire saying that simon and garfunkel thing works. i think that is sort of the focus we'll continue to see. at this point, with the weather the way it's going to be, it's really an issue of turnout. not much more you can really do. >> that's where enthusiasm comes in and momentum. where is it on the democratic side right now? >> bernie sanders does have a lot of enthusiasm and momentum behind his campaign. also you see the clinton
campaign putting bill clinton on the campaign trail. he's very well liked. doing several events for her today. >> francesca and ed are going to stay with us. we're going to come back and talk about the republicans. donald trump is out right now holding his first of three campaign rallies in salem, new hampshire. let's take a listen. >> it's that bad. how in god's name, i know you're not bought and paid for and i have told everybody, that's why i'd vote for you. i would vote ten times if i could, but how are you going to fight the corruption that now exists. >> such a great question. first of all, i'm not bought and paid for. and you know, i'm self-funding my own campaign. all these other guys are not. i watched television, the different shows this morning. and i watched this stiff, jeb bush, a total stiff, jeb bush. here's a guy, honestly, if you weren't in government, if he
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moments ago stepping up his attacks on jeb bush, calling him, quote, a total stiff. trump is holding a town hall meeting at this hour in salem, new hampshire. we're joined by peter alexander and gabe gutierrez who is following the marco rubio campaign. peter, we all talk about donald trump's political instincts. if he's going after jeb bush, we heard it earlier, just heard it now. you have to wonder if he's thinking jeb bush did well in the debate and has helped himself. >> it's been the case he's been going after jeb bush for much of the course of the campaign. we witnessed it again this morning. he said bush in his face melts like butter.
he described it as sad. it does describe what we're hearing from private pollsters. if there's movement in the state of new hampshire, 1 in 5 voters say they make their decision on game day, primary day. that's to say that 20% of the folks may not know who they're voting for. kasich and bush are the candidates moving the most right now. donald trump obviously not leaving anything to chance, having the experience he had in iowa. obviously, this is a state that better caters to his strengths. more independents, more libertarian minded folks. >> do you sense he's getting nervous. all three polls, he holds a handy lead. >> is his campaign getting nervous? this is a political novice who has never in his life won a single race, a single primary. we're on the cusp of something historic and they realize it's lights out if they don't win this thing. they do feel confidently right now that all of the other candidates have been feuding with one another and their hope is they can escape the fraid. >> gabe, marco rubio just
wrapped up a town hall in nashua. he's showing no sign of backing away from his often repeated line in saturday's debate. let me play that. >> one of the things that's funny because people keep, you know, in the press anyway, why do you keep saying the same thing about obama trying to change america? i'm going to keep saying that a million times because i believe it's true. >> this is such an interesting strategy. everybody is going after him, whether it's analysts or it's other people who are running against him. does the campaign actually think it can benefit from all the discussion about his debate performance? >> well, chris, the isis what the campaign is thinking. and you're right, he not only doubled down and today really tripled down because he said the same thing yesterday. what the campaign thinks is, look, the chattering class and media will focus in on this interaction, this poor interaction between marco rubio and chris christie on saturday, but voters, they argue, won't care about this. several of the voters we spoke
with yesterday in town halls, they argued look, all politicians are scripted to some extent. they really didn't see it as much of a negative as the media has, but the campaign is stressing, look, they argue he had a strong debate on other issues such as foreign policy, and in fact, this town hall this morning, at bae systems, a military contractor, he talked about national security and about foreign policy. it was a smaller room than some of his town halls have been over the past few days. those town halls have seen hundreds and hundreds of people. this room only allowed about 100 or so. an intimate setting, but it really didn't give him a chance to interact with voters or have much energy as he has in the past few days. again, he's try to go get the message across that he's best positioned to take on the democrats and trying to move past the debate performance over the weekend. chris. >> gabe gutierrez, peter alexander, thanks to both of you. >> in the meantime, iowa's winner, ted cruz, will meet with voters in barrington, new
hampshire, about 45 minutes northeast of us in manchester. his campaign playing the expectations game and trying to keep them low. i'm joined now by steve, a ted cruz supporter, who once ran against another presidential candidate, chris christie. thanks for coming in. >> thanks for having me. >> you heard what peter had to say about this being a state in many ways that catered to donald trump. we knew this wasn't going to be the sweet spot for ted cruz. where do you think you are, where do you think you can end up? >> i think we will outperform everybody's expectations. i understand polltsters and the campaign have downplayed the senator's expectations. they didn't expect him to win, but he's moving up steadily, neck and neck with marco rubio. this is consistent with the way ted cruz has operated in politics. his consistency, his message, staying on politics. donald trump i think will underperform. i don't think he has a natural consistency. but in the recent assault that
you played on jeb bush who is only at about 5% in the polls, you have to wonder why be attacking jeb bush who is not a threat. that's a personal issue. i call it irrational, inconsistent. he's attacking jeb bush, calling him a stiff. i don't think new hampshire voters look the name calling thing. >> after he won iowa, marco rubio got a lot of attention. there were people joking bronze is the new gold. having said that, do you think in a way the attention on marco rubio and the pressure on him and people going after him in the debate worked to your advantage? >> i think it worked to our advantage, but the senator performed extraordinarily in the debate. that's going to resonate on tuesday. i'm going to be very curious to see when senator cruz outproduces expectations and comes in in a first, second, third place, if he's going to get -- >> you think he can do a top three finish? >> i do. absolutely. >> from where? >> because we have a phenomenal
ground game. we have 40 headquarters set up around the state of new jersey. we have a dorm building in the old chester college packed with volunteers living in dorm rooms overnight, staying here day after day, working the ground game. never underestimate ted cruz. many of his opponents have found that out. >> going to various town halls, going to events for numerous candidates, one of the things surprised me is how much new hampshire residents have paid attention to is people who are here and people who are not. people who have made a play and people who continue to do the retail politics. your guys, there was a stretch here for 61 days when he didn't even come to new hampshire. do you think that's hurt him? >> iowa, you know, campaigns are extraordinarily demanding. i think in the last couple of months, we have realized that new hampshire is much more in favor of ted cruz than people realize. our people come back going door to door. i saw this yesterday. 1600 people coming back from knocking on doors, and dhar the energized, they love the reception they're getting at people's doors.
i feel very good about new hampshire. i feel very, very good about south carolina. >> steve, thank you so much. good luck going forward. let me bring back ed ochief and francesca chambers. whoo wouldn't that be something, ted cruz wins new hampshire? >> you know, polling suggests, and to your credit, what you just said about that, that jeb bush hasn't been doing well, but polling would suggest in the last couple days, jeb bush is surging. in fact, he's tied with john kasich and ted cruz and marco rubio in the middle of that pack right there. so that's why donald trump would be going after him. but that being said, ted cruz seemingly could have the same arguments put against him as marco rubio. a freshman senator, doesn't really have a long record of accomplishment, of things he's done in the senate. the same exact sense of the argument, but you don't see chris christie going after him. you see him going after marco rubio. that could allow ted cruz to kind of slip in there and do a lot better because the focus hasn't been on him. >> i'm trying to imagine that. i'm not seeing that path.
>> i think i have a better chance of winning the texas primary myself than ted cruz has. >> jeb bush, on the other hand, you have been following him over the weekend. there is a lot of energy in the camp. >> talking politics about peaking at the right moment. i'm not saying he's going to win it. i'm not saying that, you know, he's going to come in fifth at this point. i think he's going to be somewhere near the top. simply because it looks more and more like he may have enjoyed a bit of a good run the last few days. >> his campaign thinks he can finish as high as second. would that shock you? >> at this point, not necessarily because again, our understanding is he has a significant operation here on the ground. he has obviously enjoyed a good few days, and since so many voter in the state are undedieded, they might broke his way. i wouldn't be surprised if john kasich placed second, if marco rubio placed second. simply because day after day after day, polling up here has shown it is a tick-tock tight race.
and at this point, you know, the weather may have an issue on it. something that happens later today may have an effect on it. it's donald trump's race to lose. and really, it's what happens behind him, i think, that will matter next. >> jeb bush does that well, he should send chris christie sflouers. >> absolutely. >> should give him ambassadorship. >> and john kasich as well. >> we were asking one of jeb bush's top aides what he was sending to chris christie to thank him for what he's done for you. having said that, has it changed the race that much? how many tickets do you think there are going out of new hampshire? is almost everybody going to stay in, at least through south carolina? >> depending on how well they do. if it's a tight second or third place, if they finish right there close together, i think they all could stay in a lot longer. jeb bush is obviously trying to stay through florida, which is a state he thinks he can win. marco rubio thinks the same exact thing. >> winnowing, ed? >> there will be some. who it is, we won't know until
wednesday or thursday, we'll get much, much tighter. >> steve, ed, francesca, thanks to all of you. >> john kasich is holding a town hall at the public library right now. let's listen in to a little bit of this. >> i have tapes out on the bus. we watch them. it's mandatory. we watch heartland. you know, but anyway, then i went back in and we used the same formula in ohio. we were way in the hole. now we're in the black. we're running a $2 billion surplus. as karen mentioned, over 400,000 families have been helped. we have to take that formula back to washington, and we're going to have a lot of things done in the first 100 days. you have to get the budget balanced. you have to have the plan to deal with regulations, simplify and cut taxes. a fiscal plan to get it done. get the border under control. these are all the things that have to happen in the first 100 days while we're also, of course, shifting a lot of programs out of washington. and then we have to think, and we'll be working on this in the
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calling 844-844-2424. or visit my24info.com. lots of action under way right now in new hampshire with candidates spanning the state. donald trump is holding a rally in salem. we just showed you john kasich. we expect to see bernie sanders in nashua. later on, hillary clinton speaks live here in manchester. part of new hampshire's allure is its independent streak. 44% of voters in the state are not registered with either the democratic or republican party. they're undeclared, which means they can vote in either party's primary, and the presidential candidates are working overtime, pulling out all the stops to win them over. joining me from nashua, new hampshire, is jacob soboroff, who knows politics inside and out having served as an advance man to mike bloomberg and howard dean in his run for president.
i know you have been speaking with a lot of these nment voind voters the past weekend. what are they telling you? >> i have. we're at daniel webster college here. everybody is expecting bernie sanders in a second. what all of these undecided voters, independent voter are telling me is they are undecided. some of these people i'm standing around right now fall into that category. they're proud of that here in new hampshire. check it out. new hampshire, the granite state so known for its political unless, it's part of the state motto. as you drive down the scenic highways here, it's plastered on almost every license plate you see. what is the state motto of new hampshire? >> live free or die. >> live free or die. it was easy. >> what's the state motto here. >> live free or die. >> live free or die. >> the live free or die state. it was part of a toast by war general, john stark, to his fellow soldiers. as world war ii came to a close, the state adopted it as its
official slogan. fast forward to today. new hampshire voters are so independent, almost 50% of registered voters aren't even affiliated with either party. what party are you registered with. >> independent. >> excuse me? >> independent. >> i'm an independent. i'm not registered with democrat or republican. >> i'm declared. therefore, i can choose a republican or democratic ballot. >> must be nice. of new hampshireites that aren't registered with either party, a recent poll says a third of them still have not made up their minds on who vote for in 2016. they can vote for everybody. >> know who you're going to vote for? >> still undecided. come on. >> like two days left. >> i'll decide right in there. >> who are you going to vote for? >> i haven't decided yet. >> you haven't decided yet. >> i'm leaning. >> who are you going to vote for? >> i have not decided. we're very picky here. >> this is greasy. >> we got you hooked. look at that. >> that's delicious. shout out to the red arrow
diner. very delicious bacon. i will say, chris, new report out today here in new hampshire that says there's a great big portion of undecided voters still before they go to the polling place. they lean democrat traditionally, women in particular are very crucial in that voting block and they can be huge for jeb bush and marco rubio come tomorrow. back to you. >> jacob soboroff, thank you. let me take a look, rnchsing what he was just talking about. this is a new wnur/cnn poll, it shows 46% of undeclared voters think they'll vote in the republican primary. 46% believe they'll vote in the democratic primary. 8% are not sure. i want to bring in grant baase for the new hampshire union leader. important to note, they have endorsed chris christie. are you surprised by that even split? >> not at all, because you have to know the difference between voter registration and voter behavior. we make it veer easy to be an undeclared voter. you don't get as many phone
calls, don't get as much mail, but most undeclared voters will reliably vote republican or democrat. there's a thin slice in the middle that's legitmousily choosing, hmm, do i want to back hillary clinton or ted cruz. >> how big is that slice? >> 10%, and that's a big number in a race this tight. >> especially you look at the republican side and see how many people are bunched in second, third, fourth, and fifth. how do you win that voter? first of all, you have to get them to vote for your side. >> you don't have to get them to the polls quite as much. new hampshire has massive voter turnout. we have people who vote in the presidential primary that won't vote in november. everybody votes. a lot of them are going to be first-time voters that the campaigns don't know about yet. you don't have any voter history. you don't know if they're with you or not. you have to convince people. the debate saturday night did a lot of that. they have been paying attention, going to town halls, watching you and the other tv networks to get a feel for which candidate is talking about their issues.
>> i hear that a lot. taking a measure of the person. what's the issues that are driving new hampshire? >> the issues and idealogical voters like me, the real political freaks, we prael made up our mind a while ago. it's the casual voters that take the new hampshire primary seriously as their cultural duty as a granite stater. >> i met people yesterday who have been to five events over the weekend. five different candidates. >> we take it very seriously. those voters aren't necessarily locked in and saying, you know, what i really care about is the import/export bank. no, they're going on a candidate that they think sees the world the way they do, that identifies with their world view versus saying, i like the tax plan they have better. >> does that favor a bernie sanders and a donald trump? >> it can. and i think you're actually seeing due to donald trump's kind of populism, you're seeing some people that just want to yell at the status quo. they're legitimately asking
themselves who would send that stronger message, bernie sanders or donald trump? that could make a lot of difference. you're also get aglot of people who say, well, i like what they did as a governor or i like marco rubio's record in the senate or i like that ted cruz stands up to the lobbyists. and it's that visceral feel that's going to get somebody to pick between, you know, 20 candidates on each side on the ballot together. >> i went to a christie event yesterday. you guyed endorsed him twice. talked to some undecided voters. take a listen. >> so personable. he wasn't a politician at all. really great to hear. >> did he win you over? >> i think he did. >> how about you? >> i'm still a little on the fence, but i'm from maine. i'm not from new hampshire. i have a little more time. >> we're independents. >> independent. but in my personal view, it's jeb/christie. >> chris christie says this all
the time, people say to him, you're in my top three. >> he said it's time to stop that. pick a top one. we can wait until tomorrow morning. they have to put their name on the duncan doughnut coffee mugs. it really comes down to that, walking into the polls. talking to the people in line, thinking about what you saw on tv the night before. thinking back to the debate. new hampshire voters take it very seriously. we don't want to be rushed. and we're not going to know until 8:00, 9:00 tomorrow. >> thank you so much. one of chris christie's lines that gets a big laugh is he tells people, if you're not for me, go on vacation. we have cars outside. we'll give you a ride to logan. the key counties to watch in tomorrow's primary, but first, watching to see if mother nature could impact tomorrow's voting. new hampshire under a winter weather advisory for today and tonight for 2 to 4 inches of snow expected in southern parts of the state. snow showers expected to end by noon tuesday.
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so, if you really love politics, you know the tipping point in tomorrow night's primary is going to come down to state geography. it always does. steve kornacki is taking a look at which areas to keep an eye on as the results are coming in. you have been covering presidential politics since 2002. you grew up next door, just a stone's throw away from new hampshire. what can you tell us about what's going to happen tomorrow? >> well, let's take a look at the map. what you have here is new hampshire broken down by county. the percentages you see here, that's the percentage of the total vote. this is for the republican primary. we'll go to the democrats in a minute. the percentage of the toting vote that comes out of each county. what you're seeing is look, the population on the republican side, just these two counties here, hillsborough, rockingham, more than half of the republican vote is going to come out of here.
this is the massachusetts border. boston is right down here. what you have here, lots of commuters, lots of white-collar professionals, a lot of people who commute into massachusetts, get their news from boston. that's where the lion's share of the votes are in the republican side. one of the characteristics of this part of the state, very anti-tax. a lot of people left massachusetts. they felt they got priced out, taxed out in some cases. an anti-tax brand of republicanism. when you get to the western part, you might see john kasich do better. a little more classic, small town new england. to the north, not many votes out of there, but this is a county, the north country in new hampshire, ron paul actually carried this county in 2012. that might be an area maybe a ted cruz could do well up there. look at the democratic side. the numbers are similar, but the thing i want to show you on the democratic side, so much attention paid to the fact that next door here in vermont is bernie sanders' home state, the idea, big advantage for bernie
sanders because he's from vermont. there's probably some advantage, but the population, 28% just in hillsborough county, 22% in rockingham. these are areas that don't have much to do with vermont, don't get news, media, tv from vermont. you add up the three border counties along the connecticut river, 7, 10, 18. so 18% of the democratic vote comes from what you might call the vermont east part of the state. the rest of the state, not too much to do with vermont. a slight advantage for sanders there. but again, not as much as you might have from massachusetts. that's a quick look at where the votes are coming from tomorrow, chris. >> fascinating stuff, steve kornacki. thank you so much. >> for the first time, voters will be required to show a photo i.d. before casting a ballot here. much more on the new voter i.d. law coming up. here's a live look at nashua where bernie sanders is about to hold a get out the vote rally. p me off right here. oh no, i'll take you up to the front of the school. that's where your friends are. seriously, it's, it's really fine. you don't want to be seen with your dad? no, it's..no..
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used to taking part in the first primary in the country in large numbers. this year marks another first for the granite state. it will be the first time new hampshire residents have to show i.d. before being allowed to vote. joining me is msnbc's chief legal correspondent, ari melber. national staff member for the john kerry campaign in 2004. how did this come about and what might it mean for tomorrow? init could mean a lot. new hampshire is one of many stiets that has this voter i.d. requirements. you have to have the photo i.d. and bring that to the polls. anyone watching in new hampshire, fyi. if you come and don't have that and you are still registered, you can fill out an affidavit, swearing you are who you are. when we talk about candidates who are first time or sporadic voters, those are people who may show up and not know the rule. they can still fill out the affidavit. if that's 5% or 10% of the
people, we could be up late counting some of those. it's an interesting piece to what this means for tomorrow. it could affect when we know the final tally. >> i'm thinking not just about first-time voters, but if you're a longtime voter and yoz run out of the house and go down to the polling lace and don't have your i.d. with you, same thing, affidavit. >> it also goes to the turnout operations. there are campaigns who say they have great ground games. you have been out with, what, six different campaigns and events. i was out this weekend. one thing i saw was the kasich campaign as a core of volunteers. they can do voter education, talk to different people. i also went up late yesterday and saw ted cruz in new hampshire. a packed crowd, very intense. he didn't just talk issues. as you know, sometimes in the closing argument, they talk about turnout. he said i want you to vote ten times. a little laughter in the roop. he did the ted cruz pause thing, the dramatic pause, and then he said -- >> in the middle of a sentence. >> then what he said was, and he
had a good point, was what i mean is i want you to bring nine other people. your family, your friends. that's part of turnout. that's a different emphasis than someone like donald trump who has done very well in new hampshire throughout, who clearly is positioned to do well, but you don't see at his events the same emphasis on turnout. >> ari melber, thank you so much. >> well, senator bernie sanders has a live event right now. one of many events as the candidates crisscross the state. we'll have much more coming up after this. >> we don't represent the billionaire class. we don't represent wall street. we don't represent corporate america. we don't want their money. we are not going to have a super pac. and then an amazing thing happened. really a mind-blowing thing that i never in a million years --
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unpredictable primary in the great state of new hampshire where we are live. bernie sanders, donald trump, john kasich, and hillary clinton all holding events at the very moment. you see the big screen. and by the way, in the next hour, we will hear from bill and hillary clinton as well as jeb bush. marco rubio also holding his first event of the day. we have reporters throughout new hampshire for you, covering all of the action. good morning, everyone. i'm tamron hall, live again at jd's, starting the monday with great people. hi. actually just met a couple from virginia. they're not eligible, but they're still here. nevertheless, we have a lot going on, and we begin with the democratic race, which the latest tracking poll out shows some interesting movement here. bernie sanders leading hillary clinton by 16 points. but another tracking poll out just yesterday shows senator sanders' lead may, and i stress may, be as little as seven
points apart. as the clinton campaign unleashes its strongest attacks yet on sanders and some of his supporters. it all came from bill clinton yesterday. take a listen. >> she and other people who have gone online to defend hillary and explain, just explain why they supported her, have been subject to vicious trolling. and attacks that are literally too profane often not to mention sexist, to repeat. so now, we've been told that planned parenthood, the human rights campaign fund is part of the establishment. it's a hermetically sealed deal. if you're not for us, the boston globe, the concord monitor, the portsmouth newspaper, they're all part of the establishment. when you're making a revolution, you can't be too careful about the facts. >> nbc's kristen welker is covering the clinton campaign. and kasie hunt is covering the
sanders campaign for us. so kristen, you're in manchester. hillary clinton will appear with her husband and her daughter in the next hour. now, in the world of trump, we've seen some very escalated attacks in the gop side. so when people talk about bill clinton really going after bernie sanders, it wasn't the tone. it was, though, the lethality of the language that he used. >> right. and i think it's also such a stark contrast from what we have heard from bill clinton this entire cycle. he's been incredibly muted to some extent. his speeches have largely stuck to a defense of his wife's record. that all changed yesterday. he took direct attack at senator sanders and some of his supporters, who as you heard there, he accused of making sexist attacks so vicious online that he said he couldn't even read some of them. he also had very sharp language for senator sanders himself, saying that his health care plan is unrealistic, and also criticizing him for going after secretary clinton for accepting
fees for speeches she had given to firms like goldman sachs. he said if we're going to rule out everyone who has accepted money from those companies, we would essentially have a write-in candidacy and campaign. you really see former president bill clinton sharpen his attacks, but other top surrogates as well, gloria steinem essentially said that the younger women were flocking to senator sanders because that's what the boys were doing. she later wound up apologizing for that comment, and former secretary of state madeleine albright over the weekend said during a campaign event, there's a special place in hell for women who don't support each other. that's a phrase that she has used over the years. it's a common saying. but it changes its significance to say it at a campaign event. some of those sharp remarks have been met with mixed reactions. some criticism, some people who are cheering them on, but it's no doubt the clinton campaign is making a calculation in order to court some of these younger women voters, they want to stress and tout the fact that
secretary clinton would be the first female president. that's something that she hasn't been talking about a whole lot recently, but she changed that during last week's msnbc debate. she made a big issue of it. she's been talking about it a whole lot more in her speeches. i anticipate she, former president clinton, and chelsea clinton, will talk a lot about that when they take the stage a short while from now. >> smeez rr largely talking about it, i would assume, because they did not anticipate being a part of the problems in addition to some of the other things she's having to adjust on the campaign trail. let me bring in kasie hunt. she's with the sanders campaign. kasie, what's been the response from senator sanders now that we're seeing bill clinton dive in in the way he has in the past 24 hours? >> tamron, we're hearing from senator sanders for the first time today, right now on stage here in nashua, new hampshire. but of course, him having to answer new questions being raised by bill clinton, of course, both some of these
criticisms on foreign policy that have bubbled in the last 24 hours and now on this issue of sexist attacks. but sanders did respond a little bit to this in an interview with our own kate snow yesterday. >> anybody who supports me who is engaged in sexist attacks is unacceptable. i don't want that support. but you know, we have millions of people out there. we cannot control every single person. >> so sanders essentially saying he wants no part. so sanders essentially saying he wants no part of this particular string that has coursed through his campaign to some extent. we talked about the so-called bernie bros people on the internet. that's what bill clinton was referring to, making negative attacks against many cases women supporting hillary. this is something that came up among hillary advisers this
week. but something of an escalation from the president himself. we have not heard bernie sanders respond directly to president clinton today. those remarks coming late yesterday. so we'll see at this point whether or not we get a reaction from bernie sanders on stage. i have to say, it would be significant if he did. he doesn't usually deviate too much from his stump speech. although yesterday, he did address some of the foreign policy criticisms telling a crowd he doesn't want to be, quote, lectures about foreign policy, and again, hitting secretary clinton for backing the iraq war, tamron. >> we'll talk more about the comments regarding foreign policy from senator sanders a little later. let me bring right now, sanders campaign surrogate, former state senator nina turner of ohio. she switched a few months ago from supporting hillary clinton to endorsing bernie sanders. always great to have you on. i want to play what bill clinton said yesterday about some of the negative rhetoric coming from male bernie sanders supporters. they're calling them on the
campaign trail bernie bros. here's what clinton said. >> we can tell our story about how we climbed the ladder, and a lot of you younger women don't think you have to -- it's been done. it's not done. and you have to help hillary clinton will always be there for you. and just remember, there's a special place in hell for women who don't help each other. >> clearly, that's madeleine albright. we'll get to the comments. those are also comments that are making the rounds on social media, gloria steinem saying again that some female supporters are backing bernie because of the influence of men and wanting to date men. so what do you say about madeleine albright and gloria steinem's comments back to back? >> it's an unfortunate criticism against not only our younger women but more seasoned women as well. i would argue to what ms.
steinem had to say, it's the other way around. it's not the girls following the boys. it's the boys following the gill. it's quite disappointing a feminist would say those things because the whole notion of feminism is about choice. it's not just about reproductive choice. it's about political choice, about social choice, about economic choice. to secretary albright, though, the whole notion that there's a special place in hell for women who don't support each other, i would argue that the women who are supporting senator sanders do believe that we're supporting each other. when he talks about increasing the minimum wage, that helps women. when he talks about making sure social security is there and increasing it, that helps women. i for one am catching too much hell on earth to catch hell in the afterlife. >> to be clear, secretary albright had made those comments as noted over the years. gloria steinem has since apologized for the language she chose to use. i was thinking about some of the rhetoric that came in barack obama's first run, and some of
it actually did continue as we now know for eight years. >> yes. >> is this a distraction, this notion of feminism, what it represents? is it a distraction from the larger issues that impact all of us, the economy, national security, some of the foreign policy questions that came out of this debate that are rightfully now pointed at the person you have chosen to support here? >> i mean, it's a distraction on all sides, tamron. if we're going to talk about distractions, we can't just measure it on the sanders side. we have to measure it on every side. what the american people want to know is who is going to stand up for them, who is going to fight for them, who is going to unabashedly say that the system is rigged, the economy is rigged, the political system is rigged. and for once, i'm going to stand up for you. that's what this race is really all about. >> it's also about solutions, and we have heard from senator sanders say the system is rigged. there's not full confidence for some in that he has the solution. i watched this morning as a
number of gop candidates came on with "morning joe," and they were asked their rapid fire reaction. hillary clinton, they said loser. bernie sanders, oh, great guy. it gave the appearance, i believe, and from watching, that there is a natural fear that in a general election, hillary clinton may be more formidable than bernie sanders. it was as if this morning there was a fear of hillary clinton. and kind of a shrugging off of bernie sanders, that he cannot finish the game. and that's what some democrats are asking as well. can bernie sanders in the end win the general election? >> he can, tamron. the clinton campaign can't have it both ways. people can't have it both ways. they can't on one end say he's dreaming too big, thinking too high, and he can't get it done. at the same time, say he can get it done. t it has to be one or the other. republicans are going to make whatever comments they want to make about the senator. consider the source. the bottom line is this, the national polls which i know are a snapshot in time, but this
snapshot at this time, at this particular moment, show senator sanders is the best candidate to go head-to-head against any of the republicans. those are the facts. so any democrat that really wants to win this race in the general election should support senator sanders and not just support him for the presidency, tamron. what is also just as important, and we don't talk a lot about that is what is going to happen in 2018. because make no mistake about it, whichever democrat wins, we cannot push forward our agenda if the congress continues to stay in the hands of republicans. so this is really about exciting people beyond 2016. we cannot nation build every four years. what senator sanders is proposing, he has money attached to every single proposal he has. he has had that out in the atmosphere for quite some time. you want to talk about an artful smear. i think in terms of democrats trying to disavow what he has put forward is artful smear as well.
it was okay when he was voting over 97% of the time with democrats. now that he's going head to head. its, it's a different story. he cares about the poor and middle class, and he plans to shake things up. that is going to happen. >> all right, nina turner, thank you so much. a great pleasure have aiing you. >> hillary clinton is breaking from the campaign trail, did break from the campaign trail this weekend to visit the people of flint, michigan, saying this is about the town's water crisis. >> unacceptable or wrong, though it is both. what happened in flint is immoral. >> well, some now taking aim at the former secretary of state, claiming she's politicizing the crisis in flint. well, flint's mayor karen weaver will join me to discuss what's being said by both gop candidates and democratic candidates about the flint crisis. that's coming up next.
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and in a new poll taken after saturday night's gop debate shows trump holding on to the commanding lead that he's honestly held since he got into the race. but the race for second, that's what people are talking about today as well. now, the seven news/umass tracking poll shows trump in first place, 34%. 21 points ahead of ted cruz, and marco rubio are tied for second. john kasich and jeb bush are not far behind. they're tied for third. at 10%. chris christie, this is so interesting because he has been pounding senator marco rubio since the debate for being too scripted, at saturday's debate is still hanging there by single digits. i'm trying to logon, peter, because i'm told there's a bit of a twitter war. breaking news ark twitter war that has broken out in the last few minutes between donald trump and jeb bush. jeb bush was here in jd's earlier this morning. since then, he's taken to twitter.
it says you are just a loser, referring to donald trump. you're a liar and a whiner. john mccain is a hero. over and out. this tweet goes back to, i think, one of the first most controversial things trump said about john mccain. i can't believe this is real life. donald trump is retweeting, and i'm reading on live air, jeb bush has zero communications skills so he's spent a fortune of special interest money on a super bowl ad. he's a weak candidate. a day out of voting. >> where do we start? >> this is now a twitter war between the two. we start at where jeb bush thinks he has an opening with donald trump. that is being the toughest guy in the room. >> obviously, jeb bush is feeling confident right now. we have seen him walking through the halls here today. he's speaking to anyone who will say hello to him. there's sort of a reinvigorated sense about the campaign. >> why. what is he basing that on? >> although they're going an
trump and he made the calculus that's going to benefit him, he witnessed what happened to marco rubio in recent days and throughout the course of the campaign, they have spent more money on rubio than anyone else. they believe there's no longer this consolidation around rubio that give him an opening. you're talking about the tweets. donald trump is not going to be afraid of jeb bush. in a town hall today, he was asked questions about syrian refugees and children. he said he wouldn't be afraid to look into the face of a syrian refugee child and say i'm sorry, you're not coming to the u.s. if he's willing to say that to a kid, he's willing to say something equally as tough to jeb bush. >> it's funny, peter, you're on the campaign trail so you hear these stump speeches more often, but donald trump has brought about jeb bush's comments about immigration and it being an act of love. now he's back on it. >> you saw jeb bush brought up mccain in that. we recognize, here's a stat that i think will stick with people.
if you remember one thing, realize that polls show 1 in 5 new hampshire voters make their decision on game day. on primary day. so a lot of people think positions are calcified across the state, that people know what they're going to do. at this time right now, that's not the case. there are so many people out there, which is why donald trump is going after jeb bush again, why jeb bush is trying to get those independents who supported mccain in the past, because they all think there's a jump ball right now after what happened this weekend. there's significant votes still to be gained. >> i'm going to bring gabe in in a second. does this, though, imply that nothing substantive came out of the debate on saturday. these two are reduced to who is the bigger loser, when you think if you were going to get into a twitter war, it would be something that happened in the debate. >> as gabe will get into -- >> immineeminent domain. i'll throw that out. >> the biggest substance was the lack of substance for marco rubio. the defining image were the repeated lines. >> let me set this up. just an hour ago, marco rubio
stepped on the stage. he's doubling down or even quadrupling down on the constantly repeated comment out of saturday's debate. rubio was slammed for repeating his rhetoric and even accused of being a robot. anyway, a town hall in nashua this morning, he was back on the same message again. let's play it. >> the obama administration, you know, one of the things that's funny because people keep, you know, in the press anyway, why do you keep saying the same thing about obama trying to change america? i'm going to keep saying that a million times because i believe it's true. >> nbc's gabe gutierrez was at the event. it's interesting how marco rubio is trying to embrace this and not run from it. it was a stirring moment, but is his strategy working to counter chris christie? that's the question, and the campaign is really trying to stay with the message, saying, yes, the media is going to focus on this debate between marco
rubio and chris christie, but people at home, people who will vote, and people who are coming to the rallies, they are going to be -- they don't think it's going to be that big of a deal. they think they're going to be able to move past this. they think people think all politicians are skrimented. so marco rubio, he can try to move past this. going back to what peter was saying, the changing dynamic in the race, you heard it from chris christie yesterday saying this was a game changer, this race has changed completely. right now, there's a logjam. they seem invigorated by what happened to roubio. for days they were trying to take him down a peg. chris christie went into the debate. he knew this was his chance to take him down. the marco rubio campaign knew this was coming. they absolutely knew this was coming. so the question is, well, why didn't he have a better strategy for this? he's now doubling down on this. he said it yesterday, saying it again today. he's blaming the media for focusing in on this. he says he said this because he believes it, and this is the
current message he wants to keep and take this to the democrats in ingeneral election. >> you have been out there with voters. are they finding the argument valid? for example, when you look at donald trump, every interview he's done from on our network to others, he has series of things heicize. they all do. >> every candidate has talking points. what the campaign is saying, so what if marco rubio sticks to a script. >> it's that he couldn't react to chris christie in real time. >> and clinton, as we get later on. the idea that chris christie, a prosecutor, he said if you can't deal with us, wait until you're dealing with hillary clinton on the national stage. we can't afford to make that mistake later on. that's why it's potentially threatening. >> talk about substance, the issue his opponents are saying he doesn't have the experience to be president. he's had a tough time explaining this. his campaign put out the list of accomplishments, the v.a. reform bill, he fought against the
obamacare provision, and hezbollah sanctions, saying look, he wasn't even there for the vote, and it was a unanimous vote. his campaign keeps putting that up. however, the campaign is putting that out there, but that is a constant criticism. he still says that he has enough experience to be president. his opponents are making that point, absolutely not. >> more than any other ad i have seen, the clip of rick santorum, the rubio supporter, over and over being asked by joe and mika what could they name his accomplishments of senator rubio, and senator santorum blowing that answer. i have seen that ad countless times now on the ground. thank you guys. i want to take you back to nashua, that is where senator sanders is holding one of his big rallies today. again, as you know, the first in the nation primary. just hours away. but, if new hampshire turns out like it has in the past, what are we to learn from the tea leaves? take a listen to senator sanders.
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not very far from where we are at jd's tavern in manchester. the hillary clinton event will be especially interesting because we will see bill clinton, hillary clinton, and chelsea, their daughter, all together. this follows very pointed language from the former president yesterday about the sanders campaign, referring to it as sexist and saying that essentially bernie sanders had sealed himself off from moving forward. we'll carry both of those for you. continue to do that. meantime, voters from across new hampshire may have to deal with the snow tomorrow to cast their primary vote, but these are hardy folks. could past primaries give us a hint of how certain parts of the state could vote tomorrow? msnbc political correspondent steve kornacki has a deeper look at the geography of the new hampshire primary, and steve, we talk so much about last week about it being the neighbor to vermont and that gives bernie sanders an advantage. but you're breaking it down into
really smaller sections here to get us to understand how this may play out tomorrow. >> yeah, this might be an interesting way of taking a look at the map here. what you have, this is the republican side. we'll get to the democrats in a minute. this is how much of the total vote in the state comes from each county. a couple things you noting here, how much of the population is in the southern part of the state. this county right here, hillsborough, this is the two biggest cities in state, nashua, manchester. about 200,000 people just between those two cities. then you know right next door, the interesting thing is what do you have in this county? rockingham. a quarter of the population, a quarter of the vote on the republican side from here. these are a lot of people who moved up from massachusetts, a lot of people who still commute in massachusetts, right on the massachusetts voter. if there's a provile of the voter on the republican side, moderate on social issue, conservative on economic issues. taxes, people who feel like they have been priced out of
massachusetts, that's the republican voter there. when you get towards the western part of the state, you get more classic small-town new england. someone like john kasich might do well there, jon huntsman did well there four years ago. when you get to the north, you get more of a libertarian type voter. this county up here, very small share of the vote. north country, this went to ron paul in 2012. take a look at the democratic side. again, the distribution is basically the same. as you said, tamron, we talked about this last week. this whole issue of, oh, does bernie sanders have a huge advantage because he's from vermont, over here? again, you look, the population is not over by the vermont border. the population is manchester, nashua, rockingham county. this is half the vote coming out of this part of the state. which really doesn't get any news, any media, any attention from vermont. this is the part of the state where sanders might get an advantage because he's from sprur mo vermont, but less than 20% from western new hampshire. also the most liberal part of the state. it was probably natural turf for
sanders anyway. the real action in terms of where the big number of votes are coming from in the democratic side, these two counties and this one, hillsborough, the bellwether. every new hampshire primary since 1968, this county has picked the winner. it was where hillary clinton got her biggest and best margin in 2008. it's why she won then. we'll see what happens with that tomorrow night. >> steve, so interesting to note where your big circle is on the map, is exactly where bernie sanders is and hillary clinton. they're both holding rallies in that circle, that bellwether that you noted there. it's one of many events they have, but it's also very interesting that in the closer days, both of them are in that key area of new hampshire that we will be talking about tuesday night. great job, steve. thank you so much. we're going to go to a quick break. i want to bring you something that's happening right now. john kasich is actually holding a q & a. we mentioned hillary clinton is on the campaign trail, but listen to gop candidate john kasich.
>> a third of the electorate could be undecided. how do you sway the independents here in the last day? >> that's why we're doing lots of work today and we're going to work up until the election. nobody on the team thinks we haven't done everything that is possible that we could do. then, you know, you kind of let them vote. then you figure out how you did. we're confident we'll be eating gumbo and wearing flip-flops. >> a lot of voters i talked to, you're the democrats favorite republican, a lot of republicans are looking for somebody more anti-government than you tend to be on the stump. how do you thread the needle? >> i don't agree with you is how we thread the needle. thank you. >> again, john kasich taking a few questions before one of his events on how he can thread the needle here. a lot of eyes on john kasich. as it appears this race or this tightening for second place may be one of the big headlines we're talking about tomorrow night. meanwhile, as you well know at this point, hillary clinton is
trailing in the polls for a second time in new hampshire, but the question is, can she beat the odds as she did in 2008? after a break, we're going to take you back down memory lane and play what many believe was the most significant moment for hillary clinton in new hampshire back in 2008. we're going to play that moment for you and see if it could factor in again this time around. we'll be right back. nobody move! get on the floor! do something! oh i'm not a security guard, i'm a security monitor. i only notify people if there is a robbery. there's a robbery.
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together. >> that was hillary clinton in 2008 getting emotional here in new hampshire. and this is now right now in manchester. hillary clinton arriving to greet her supporters at a big rally that is set to take place here any moment now. we also want to note that jeb bush is holding a luncheon. we'll follow the developments as well from this room where he's meeting with the rotary club of nashua as well. meanwhile, let me bring in our next guest as we look at both of the campaigns and what's happening on the ground. as i mentioned, 30 minutes from now, we'll see hillary clinton campaigning with bill clinton and their daughter chelsea. he staged a big comeback in 1992. a second-place finish that pulled him campaign off life support. paul is a political director and anchor for new hampshire's local news station nh1. thank you for joining us. i wanted to bring you in because you can add the great perspective of living here every day. we come in, we invade your space
for lack of a different description. the candidates invade the space. you get a chance to talk to people every day. when you look at the 2008 moment for hillary clinton and what it did when she just opened up her heart and what new hampshire gave back, compared to what we see going on on the ground right now between her and bernie sanders, what's the headline for you for the folks here. >> that made her real in 2008. that made her a little vulnerable, real. people related to it. she went from 11 points down to winning by 4 points. her supporters right now are saying the same thing. they think at least she can narrow the gap, maybe not win, but narrow the gap. she's down double digits. >> we hear new hampshire voters like to have the real politics. donald trump was on the ground yesterday. he stayed at a diner for five minutes, i understand. completely counter to what new hampshire voters say they like. he's done the complete opposite of that. so then why is he so successful, if he's saying new hampshire, i
know this is what you like but this is what i am. >> new hampshire does like the retail politics, they like to touch and talk to politics asking the same questions, but he's not doing that. he comes in and does the big events. he's barely done any retail campaigning. why is he so successful? because all the rules are being thrown out the window this election cycle. especially the republican electorate. they're angry, they're mad, they want an outsider. that's who dt "d" is. >> eminent domain came up in the debate. it was a big boo line directed at donald trump. jeb bush was here this morning saying donald trump made the comparison of keystone pipeline. that is about energy. he wanted a parking lot for a casi casino. that is likely not to settle well with some new hampshire voters. how big of a deal is that for him? >> actually a big deal in this state because there is the northern pass in the northern part of the state and a pipeline
in the southern part of the statement. eminent domain is a big issue. but he still has a very, very large lead here. >> you just interviewed john kasich. he's not willing to take the bait coming his way. what did he tell you? >> i asked about chris christie's criticisms yesterday. he said i'm going to stay positive. i'm not going to go on the attack. >> is the positive message resonating? >> it may be enough for a third place finish. >> thank you for joining us. i want to show you, again, another view of the big rally not far from here. hillary clinton will be taking the stage in manchester. and a more intimate event hosted by jeb bush and his campaign at the rotary club in nashua. a lot of moving parts. certainly happening right now this morning, and after making a quick stop this weekend in flint, michigan, to address the water crisis there, hillary clinton has received pushback, people saying she's politicizing it. what does the mayor of flint think about how both sides, the gop candidates and the democratic candidates, are handlic the flint water crisis
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in a second. another intimate luncheon, something that when i have talked to people from this area, they say they quite appreciate. it's one of those unique things about new hampshire that you perhaps won't see anywhere else. maybe iowa, where you have that one-on-one attention. the ability to meet some of the candidates first-hand. i can't tell you how many people i talked to who said they have had a presidential candidate at their front door shaking their hand, listening to some of their conce concerns. that's why this state is so unique and so special in our process. while clinton's priority is new hampshire, she says, she is looking ahead, like all of the ka candidates, but she visited a black church in flint, michigan, ground zero of the water crisis that gained national attention. clinton has made the city's lead-tainted water a part of her campaign. her rivals call it a ploy to shore up african-american vote as we get closer to south carolina, although she is ahead
when it comes to the black vote in south carolina at this pont. she told the congregation what happened flint is immoral and called on congress to approve an aid bill for the city. >> i said weeks ago, if what had been happening in flint had happened in grosse pointe or bloomfield hills, i think we all know we would have had a solution yesterday. as a senator, i fought for children struggling to bear heavy burdens. and i will fight for you in flint no matter how long it takes. >> joining me now via skype is flint's mayor karen weaver who met with secretary clinton yesterday and has endorsed her for president. mayor, thank you so much for joining. off the top, how concerned are you that your city and this crisis could simply become a backdrop for not just hillary clinton but for other candidates as well? >> well, you know, that's very
interesting because actually, hillary clinton is the only candidate that has reached out to us on a personal level. so i haven't seen this happening. she has sent people here several times, you know obviously, she's been here, and i have spoken with her previously. and they have been in constant communication with us. so she's the only presidential candidate that has done that. and what we were thankful for is that she, by bringing this issue out, brought it to a whole other level. if you can imagine that. and so we've been very grateful because this is a tragedy that has happened here in the city of flint that should never have happened here and should never happen to another community. we want as much exposure as possible. we know people need to pay attention to this because if it happened in flint, it can happen other places. >> well, you make a great point if it can happen to flint, it can happen other places. there are a number of investigative reports that make that point. how does it sit with you that
the notion of caring about flint has to be a ploy to get the african-american vote when this also impacted a number of people who are not black. most of which live below the poverty line. how does it sit with you when you hear that? >> and you're exactly right. that's what we've been saying. it's a class issue. and that's what we've talked about. it's true that flint is predominately african-american. so if you get the vote here, of course, you're going to get a lot of the african-american vote, because it's a predominantly african-american city. if you look at it, there's a class issue here. and we do have that high unemployment level and we have a lot of people, you know, that can't make ends meet. >> well, we do know that jeb bush yesterday told chuck todd that it is a problem of the government. today, you have four levels of government all going like this, no one is accountable. it's one of the big challenges of our country, that no one accepts responsibility.
that's at least a new comment from gop candidate jeb bush, as you have made the point, the only person that has contacted you directly has been hillary clinton. we have heard from bernie sanders on the campaign trail as well as that you've chosen to support and who has reached out to you. thank you and we certainly continue to follow the flint crisis and it will not be forgotten. thank you so much. >> thank you so much. >> absolutely. and bernie sanders one on one nbc's kate sow. bernie sanders is talk abouting the granite state where he's ahead but what's next? be sure to like us on facebook. facebook.com/tamronhall. we'll be right back. more flavorful. delicious. only one egg with better nutrition... like more vitamins d, e, and omega 3s. and 25% less saturated fat. only one egg good enough for my family.
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last hour pinch as the clock is running out on jeb bush to really move out of the single digits still at 5% and the other side of your screen, you can see it's the hillary clinton rally. those folks have been there for a bit waiting for the former secretary to arrive. we saw some video just a short time ago of hillary clinton and bill clinton making a quick stop to grigson and other supporters, heading to manchester. bernie sanders, moments ago wrapped up the big get out the vote rally in nashua, new hampshire. first of four in the state. my colleague though got a chance to catch up with senator sanders and interesting suggests that could affect his ground game moving forward. >> yeah, we were talking about here in new hampshire, first of all. and by the way, he doesn't buy the polling. it's all about expectations, so he's dampening that down. hillary could still make a real
run here but then i asked him, what's next? what if you do win here? here's what he had to say. if you win you move on to south carolina, you don't have a lot of staff down there. you don't buy that either? >> look, we started this campaign with about 3% in the polls. we were way behind in iowa. we were way behind in new hampshire. we have been behind in nevada. we have been behind in south carolina. i have not the slightest doubt we're going to close that gap with secretary and i think we've got a shot to win. >> but you have to build a ground game. >> we are doing that as we speak. you think our guys will watch the super bowl? no, they will disturb people all over south carolina knocking on doors. >> so tamron, he said he's got people. they've been hiring. i know from talking to the staff behind, they've admitted they
don't have a lot of people. they need more. but they are trying to build because i think they never really expected this. bernie said on camera he didn't expect to do this well against hillary clinton who's, but now he's here and got to dance but interesting. >> but that interview was before bill clinton went on the campaign trail and made these accusations. >> interestingly, i did quickly ask about the same accusations that came from bill clinton. he said there's no place for sexism in his campaign. unacceptable. >> smart answer there. by the way, kate, we'll have much more of her interview with senator sanders when she hosts the 1 p.m. hour on msnbc. bill and hillary clinton will be campaigning together and see if the former president picks up on the line of attack against bernie sanders and some of his supporters, but meanwhile, that does it for this hour of "msnbc live." thank you so much for joining me for the hour.
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>> she and he who have gone online have been subject to vicious trolling and attacks that are literally too profane often, not to mention sexist. >> and burn your enthusiasm. bernie sanders and larry david together at last. >> she gave me a cough and a shake. >> no, no wipe, definitely no wipe. >> bernie, how are things going up in new hampshire? >> okay. >> just okay? >> well, it's pretty, pretty, pretty good. >> good day. i'm andrea mitchell in manchester, new hampshire.
we are live in the armory here in manchester. there may be a snowstorm on the way, but the heat is just one day, is heating up one day before the presidential primary and now to the team covering it up. katy tur in london dairy where donald trump will be appearing and then nashua. gabe gutierrez tracking rubio and then kasie hunt on the road with bernie sanders all day long. she's been on the bernie bus headed to the next event in manchester. katy tur, you're there with donald trump has got a commanding lead in new hampshire. he's going to be speaking later today. is he just sitting on this lead now? what's his game plan? >> reporter: the game plan is to saturate this town. what he's doing right now is he has four campaign stops throughout the day today. he had one earlier and three today and appearing with chris matthews and two campaigns
yesterday. they went out to a diner trying to get out in front of voters to maintain this lead and knocking on doors. they were making a hard pitch for donald trump. a lot of the voters undecided voters and that is the issue here in new hampshire. he has a commanding lead, but there is a good portion about 30% of people who say they are d undeclared at the moment. and they're soft. some people say they're not definitely sure they're going to be voting for him. so they're trying to make sure that they get his message out, they get the best version of donald trump, so that when the voters walk into the voting booth, they know they're going to keep voting for him and not decide for somebody else at the last minute. there certainly is concern with john kasich and marco rubio and within the campaign and of course, outside of the campaign with his volunteers, that the people who say that they like him won't necessarily vote for him when they get into that voting booth. andrea? >> and thanks to katy.
chris jansing with jeb bush. new hampshire has been so good to the bushes. what is he expecting? >> reporter: well, you can tell a very different feel to the campaign after that debate right where he had some hits against ted cruz that seemed to switch up with marco rubio. he's trying to capitalize on that. there are a lot of people thanking chris christie today because of the belief the race has been transformed. i'm in nashua at the country club. this is one of the events, if you're going to run for president, you have to get your ticket and have it stamped. jeb bush, one of the latest in line as candidates. he's finishing up. they're essentially at campaign events. more than 100 people here and they know there's an opportunity here and it's not just knocking but knocking loud. but he has so underperformed throughout this campaign. it's now like 9% or 10% but with
all the people bunched up, second, third, fourth, fifth, they have an opportunity to make a move, but they also acknowledge their internal polling shows what the public polling shows which is that there are so many undecided people, so many people narrowed et do it down to two or three. that's what i felt when i've gone and talked to people. this is about jeb bush trying to get his message out there. land maybe in the top two, three, or four and it is coming down hard out the window. the candidates have to fight the snow as they hit the road. >> as well as all of us chasing after them. and gabe gutierrez, marco rubio has been front and center. the last debate before the election and his repeating over and over his canned lines and attack lines against barack obama. i asked jeb bush earlier this morning. let's listen to that.
>> let's have strength and weaknesses, and his is a lack of accomplishment for a job you have to have a steady hand and a proven record of forging consensus and making tough decisions. that's not something he's had the chance to do yet. >> gabe, i know they're trying to, quote, own it. and claim that it actually works for them because it makes it look tough for the base but i have to tell you, obviously, we'll see how the voters react, but everyone is piling on it. >> and in the media spotlight, it is absolutely just so damaging when it happened on saturday. i managed to get in out of the snow but i was at the rubio event and he was saying, once again, doubling and tripling down this is something he will say because it is a positive message. it is his message and will continue to stay on it. that's the only thing he can do. the criticism of him now, is he being too cautious?
that's been the knock on him for a long time and will the donors move on to another candidate? are they frozen in place? and right now, you see the other governors in this race really, and it's a log jam for second place right now. he's invigorated. you saw from jeb bush and chris christie as well. they are really trying to see who is going to be the person to step in to what is marco rubio's place in this race. >> on the democratic side, gabe, we've got kristen welker tracking hillary clinton. hillary and bill clinton went to a diner to have breakfast. one of the photo opportunities today. and kristen, let's bring you in here from manchester. >> reporter: well, andrea, it's been remarkable what's happened in the past 24 hours, of course. former president bill clinton has been very muted in all of his campaign appearances, essentially sticking to the script, defending secretary
clinton's record as secretary of state but that tone changed yesterday as you know, he sharply went after senator sanders and his supporters, accused some of his supporters, the so-called bernie bros of lobbing sexist attacks and went directly, calling his health care plan unrealistic, suggesting his attacks against hi hillary clinton for wall street speeches means no one would be eligible to run for president. really sharpening his attacks and that comes as we know a lot of her top surrogates have as well trying to get the young female voters who right now prefer senator sanders on board with secretary clinton, former secretary of state madilyn albright, saying there's a special place in hell for women who don't support each other. that's common but it's different in a campaign context. a lot of question marks whether
those sharp attacks help move the poll numbers, andrea? >> and kristen, bill clinton actually talked to some people at the diner. >> people got to get it. a lot of people just don't believe we can change prosperity, and have people afford to go to college, buy a home, get loans for small businesses. we've got to prove to them. >> kasie hunt is with us on the bernie bus. kas kasie, it's a full scale motorcade with secret service, all the rest. you've moved up to the big time. i don't know whether that's less accessible as he has been, but how are they reacting to the attacks from bill clinton?
>> reporter: the senator likes to keep his own schedule and make last minute decisions, but that's tricky. he's traveling with a full on motorcade with a dog sweep, the whole thing. very much feels like a different phase of the election campaign for bernie sanders. now, his team has still the same small team he's been working with all the way along. and heard what bill clinton said on the attacks, the decision made is that they were going to put out the statement that you saw that said they are disappointed that the president, former president is talking about this particular issue, but do not expect senator sanders to really address this full on. although, as you know, he sometimes drops a casual joke in
about whatever the news of the day might be. we're keeping an eye for that on the trail, and re kwa rea. >> thank you so much. all of you out on the trail, thanks so much. did marco rubio's poor debate performance give chris christie the opening that he needs to break out of the pack here? i caught up with governor christie earlier today. governor, how are you? >> good, how are you? >> good. >> what did i ask you about marco rubio and his debate performance and what did you think about how this might impact the campaign. >> it's about my debate performance. it's not about his fact. the fact is that didn't happen spontaneously. when you've been tested for 13 years like i have been, when the lights go on, you shine or melt. and the lights were bright on saturday night and we know what happened. it's about the american people. they need someone prepared to
take on hillary clinton. they need someone prepared to be president of united states. we don't need to replace one amateur with another. >> he's been trying to embrace it saying. >> it's about taking on hillary. you know that she is a skilled talented debater and politician. and you cannot put an amateur on that stage. she will eat him alive. and what i think we showed on saturday night is that you need somebody who has really been tested. i've been tested by all of you over the years. i've been tested by democratic legislature and what i lovingly call an unruly state to govern and the fact is, i'm ready. i'm ready to be president of the united states and the republican
nominee. i think we showed it on saturday night and folks in new hampshire tomorrow will confirm that sense. >> what do you need to do to come out of new hampshire and keep ongoin going? >> i don't know. i think saturday night changed everything. there was a chatter among the class saying senator rubio was kind of the inevitable establishment choice. i don't think anyone is saying that this morning. they have been since saturday to senator rubio. so i think no one knows whether i'll come out in second, sixth, or somewhere in between and if you talk to john kasich or ted cruz, they don't know either but i don't think there's a myth of a certain number of tickets to come out of here blown up because nobody now believes that marco rubio is prepared to be president of the united states. i think after saturday night, it's very, very hard to come to the conclusion that he belongs on the same stage with hillary clinton.
so now, you need to look to the people more experienced and we've got to prove ourselves now. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. >> thanks, andrea. see ya. traffic jam. who is going to break out of the republican pack trailing trump? we've got answers from someone who knows new hampshire politics. you're watching a special edition of "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc, the place for politics. caring for someone with alzheimer's means i am a lot of things. i am his sunshine. i am his advocate. so i asked about adding once-daily namenda xr to his current treatment for moderate to severe alzheimer's. it works differently. when added to another alzheimer's treatment, it may improve overall function and cognition. and may slow the worsening of symptoms for a while. vo: namenda xr doesn't change how the disease progresses.
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fiction that barack obama doesn't know what he's doing. he knows exactly what he's doing. i think this is an important point. this notion that barack obama doesn't know what he's doing is just not -- >> there is. what do you mem mize 25 seconds? >> well, the hits keep oncoming. that was an ad against marco rubio from jeb bush's super pac. senator johnson joins me now. how much damage did he suffer with that debate performance? >> if the press didn't make a big deal, he might have not been heard at all. in terms of substance, he was fine but everybody made the repetition the issue. we'll have to find out tomorrow. it is so hard to judge what's going to happen in this particular primary. >> you've got the latest tracking poll with channel 7, a huge trump lead. 35 points, well, 35% with
everybody else bunched at 13, 14
together. so is he comfortably the winner here? >> he has an expectation to fill now. he's got to win by 20 points and if he doesn't win by significantly close to that, he'll be perceived as having an a continued erosion like iowa and maybe, three, four or five. this is the beginning, not the end of it. >> your former senator, john snos sununu. >> i think governor kasich has been here a long time and i think will probably all deliver above expectations in terms of what they get tomorrow. >> are you prepared to endorse anyone. >> i'm avoiding that like the
plague. >> why? >> i have too many friends and i want to stay in a position to comment without being seen as biassed one way or the other. >> and at this point, are you comfortable with donald trump if he's the nominee? >> the republican ticket but i think over time, as our voters in new hampshire and other voters look at substance and capacity, i think it's going to be a different race than people have been looking at for the last few months. >> marco rubio was seen as the best against hillary clinton but hillary clinton is not as easy as anybody had thought, especially her. and now marco rubio showing, with what happened saturday night in the debate, the narrative that chris christie and jeb bush talking about, he's not ready for primetime.
freshman senator just like their point of view, barack obama, freshman senator who's never been on the world stage. is that the problem that fulfills what the criticism? >> that's what they're playing up. but i'm generally supportive of governors or former governors. i think the three governors offer a good collection of choices. i think senator rubio's experience as speaker of the house in florida is a good experience. i'd be happy in the long run with any one of those four at the top of the republican ticket. >> governor sununu, thank you. welcome to new hampshire. >> thank you. why are younger women choosing bernie sanders over hillary clinton? the clinton campaign senior strategist up next. you're watching a special edition of andrea mitchell live in manchester, the place for politics.
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young women i talk to just don't connect to her the way women of her own generation do. >> yeah, it's funny. a lot of people ask about that. i think there's definitely something different about the way that hillary speaks that bernie speaks. there's no denying hillary clinton has a ton of experience and she was the first lady. she's the only one who's been right there out of any of the candidates running. but i think that there's something very politics about the way she talks, and bernie has a refreshing way of speaking that he really wants to bring things back to pure democracy. >> pure democracy. and hillary clinton's biggest hurdle here in new hampshire
could be bernie sanders' strength with young women voters. joel benenson is the senior strategist for the clinton campaign. what do you say to her? >> well, i think it's great she's engaged, first, in the process. i think hillary clinton has never asked women to vote just because she's a woman and i think i would say to her if you think about the future that you care about, and addressing some of the inequities and broad barriers people face, economic, and what holds you back and not getting fair pay from some institutionalized sexism and barriers where people have very unequal education in america. if you care about an america that's doigoing to really creat opportunity, hillary clinton has been the person waging that fight her whole life because she cares deeply about it. even yesterday going to flint michigan, some people said, why? she believes every child matters in this country and when a
government, whether it's a city or a state is engaging in practices that discriminate, that stigmatize people, she's going to take on those fights. >> i sense a real frustration. i know a lot of women hillary clinton's age, have known forever, who are many of them here to validate her who don't understand they are so frustrated why by college age women and a few years older, they're not responding to the record. they're not responding to the biography. they're saying, i like revolution. i want change. she's yesterday. she's political establishment. i'm just paraphrasing, but that is what they're saying. i know it is frustrating. how do overcome this communication gap? >> i think there's no question he's built up a following of young people that's strong and more in some places than others
but we have to keep communicating. don't say, no, we're not going to talk to. we'll talk about the things. >> but you're communicating with them by bringing up women senators, all because of their experience and the hurdles they had to overcome, all of a certain age and bringing in madilyn albright, esteemed former secretary of state and then she said something she's been saying so often on a starbucks cup. but in this context -- >> don't you wish you had something on a starbucks cup? >> absolutely, but the fact is, she said something i heard her say since beijing in '95 but yet in this context, it's slamming or shaming young women and it was taken very badly. >> i think you've talked about madilyn albright and what she's had speaking out on women. i think what you have to do in this circumstance is make your case. if you're in college or getting out of college with your first
job, what are you going to need to make a difference in your life going forward? what do you need to not face the barriers that are still out there against women? there's a reason they're not paid as well. sexism, racism, that every day in the workplace in terms of promotion and pay are holding people back. >> this is bill clinton sunday lashing out at bernie sanders and his followers. >> there are people who have gone online to defend hillary and explain, just explain why they supported her an subject to vicious trolling. and attacks that are literally too profane often, not to mention sexist, to repeat. >> so is he the attack dog in this campaign or did he go rogue? >> look, i think he made a point that others have made.
i've made it. senator sanders said he was going to run a different kind of campaign and his own campaign had to ask the quote, unquote, bernie bros to dial it down saying vicious things in particular about women. senator sanders himself has never addressed it. are you really running the kind of campaign you want when you're allowing your followers online to say really despicable things about women. >> but when you say it, it has impact, with all due respect. but when bill clinton said it, especially given the history of 2008, it's amplified a hundred fold. >> he's getting no question, a bigger megaphone, if you will, but there have been a lot of people out on the stump talking about this. the fact that senator sanders says, he's trying to run a kind of campaign and allowing his supporters, they know what's going on online for a while. doing things he's called for even right here in new hampshire by the american liege tegion ang
lo logo disingenuously and endorsed by these groups and had to backtrack with their logo. league of conservation voters. a aarp. these are groups on the front lines of fights that matter to people and when you abuse or misuse the logo, that's kind of typical politics. i think it's fair for anybody to raise those and call them out on it. >> joel benenson. thank you so much. seeing double. bernie sanders and larry david finally side by side. >> what's the difference? >> huge difference. huge. >> this is "andrea mitchell reports" live from manchester, new hampshire, a day before the primary. stay with us. ugh! heartburn! no one burns on my watch!
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young women is to support hillary clinton. there's a special place in hell for women who don't help each other. >> it's a line she has used often. former secretary of state madeleine albright. and with gloria steinam. >> they really don't like hillary though. what do you think that's about? >> you're thinking, the boys are with bernie. >> well, what explains the generation divide? the boys are with bernie. she has since apologized and tried to con textualize it on
facebook. political reporter for "the boston globe" and "the new york times." it's on a starbucks cup. i wasn't at that particular event but you were. so tell me. because hillary started laughing. cory booker was laughing. i think it was taken as a joke, but not by a lot of people watching. >> i think it was surprising even at the moment though. the more it sinks in, the more you can look at hillary clinton throwing her head back and laughing. the more actually, and i say this with a lot of respect as we go forward, it was the wrong thing to say. it was offensive to young women, as a general matter, yes, there's a special place for women who don't help other women. you do a lot. i try to. but when you're questioning their political decision to support one candidate over another, and suggesting that they're betraying the cause by declining to vote for women,
that goes way too far. >> jeremy, i want to ask you about marco rubio but also, staying on this gender issue for a moment and the young people, the fact that young college women whom i've interviewed and know just don't seem to be responding and when i ask, how do you get around it, it's to keep saying what she's done. but they're not looking backward or appreciating. >> they're not buying the historical uniqueness in her argument. they just don't. they didn't struggle the way their mothers did or aunts did, their grandmas did. and that's what makes the argument that gloria steinam and madeleine albright. >> i think stainam's argument was different. madeleine albright is a more generic. >> it was a comedy show, off the cut, absolutely. but what they share in common,
for them, that generation of women, if feminists that gloria steinam represents still remits the election of a female president the end all be all of what they were trying to achieve. >> i thought, she said she was sorry for being misinterpreted but when she was suggesting that the college age women were just going to senator sanders, that was more offensive. >> women of a certain generation. but i think college age women, i happen to be the mother of two of them and i won't disclose, but they're not going to anyplace bad but experienced what they saw as a more significant ground breaking with the election of the first african-american president so goes not being transported as a group. >> they're supporting jim gilmore. it's not a surprise that we're having this conversation in new
hampshire. this is a place that has broken the barriers a lot with women and politics. the first time the entire -- >> the delegation, the senators, and the governor. >> and this particular moment, we have a male member of congress but used to have all of them, a female delegation. so it's not surprising and further, in 2008, pro choice, older women. you see now this time really the focus of the clinton campaign in this state is particularly on this seacoast area and young women. there's where the campaign has a lot of events, exeter, port smith, right now, getting hit with more snow than other parts of the state but you see a generational divide just like 2008. younger women with obama. >> the real issue for women on campus these days is sexual
assault. this is a different issue than the issue articulated in previous generations. jeremy, marco rubio, you were at the event today. >> it was the most deflated i've seen him. this was not a great venue. it wasn't his role. it was a workplace auditorium than a high school gymnasium. that said, he's lost the stride that he hit coming in to new hampshire after iowa. you could see it in him when he got off the plane. >> lost confidence. >> lost confidence. he's not smiling as much anymore. and forced in this awkward way to defend what he said during the debate. he'll say, i meant to repeat myself because it means so much to me. i don't know if people buy that. >> you just referenced the coastal storm coming out there.
how will that affect turnout? >> if the storm does end by 7:00 in the morning, new hampshire's used to six inches, seven inches. close to a foot, where the snow continues tomorrow, it will impact the turnout. the republican campaign is too confusing but the western part of the state with less snow. but something to watch tomorrow. >> thank you so much. jeremy peters, james, and marcus. thank you all. and take down bill clinton unloading on bernie sanders, how does the sanders camp answer that? we'll have that after the break. you're watching a special edition of "andrea mitchell reports" live from manchester only on msnbc, the place for politics.
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free. sounds good. break up big banks. the problem, the crash caused because nobody was at home at the security exchange commission and bank regulators. you can't offer a health care program that you don't know what costs. the online campaign is, anybody that doesn't agree with me is a tool of the establishment. >> bill clinton notably quiet until now lashing on bernie sanders on sunday. you see hillary clinton's weapon or could this backfire? tad de vine vine is senior. >> i think it's unfortunate that he decided to go after bernie that way. i think it reflects we're doing well in new hampshire and that way. i hope it stops. >> hep athey say you're trying
have it both ways. a clean campaign and then having surrogates or the candidate itself having him insinuate about hillary clinton or ties to wall street and about all of this other stuff that has been out there back and forth? >> i don't see it that way. we run a lot of ads here in new hampshire and none of them have mentioned hillary clinton, her name, her image is in none of them. we're talking about issues we think are really important but there are big differences on issues and they're real. i don't think those differences and the rigged economy in america, held in place by a corrupt system. we're going to talk about that and talk about it from the beginning and talk about it until the end. >> what is your reaction to m madelei madeleine albright's comment? a special place in hell for women who don't help other women. >> i have the greatest respect
for her. i guess my reaction is we're encouraged by the fact so many women are supporting bernie sanders, particularly young women. we've got to bring young people into this process. he's taking young people, getting them excited. last time we saw this was barack obama and that led to a massive victory. i think bernie can do it again. >> what about gloria's comment? women support him because that's where the boys are? >> i noticed after she said that, sometimes you said it, you regret. she said she was sorry. we take it all in stride. i think the young women supporting bernie are doing so because painting the future they want to live in, where kids can go to college without the huge burden of debt, health care is available to every one of her citizens and opportunity for all people in this country and a brighter future for them in particular. that's what i think they're
attracted to. >> what does he do next? >> we've got a debate wisconsin thursday. we'll go there, campaign in and around wisconsin. very important state in early april. minnesota has a caucus event march 1st. we'll head to nevada and colorado too. nevada, then south carolina, and judge where we want to be in. and states beyond that. we'll make resource allocation decision after new hampshire. >> now you've got secret service protection, motorcades. you've got buses. you look like a real big time operation. how does that affect the candidate? how comfortable is he within the new framework? >> we understand that's the reality of the process and we have to deal with it. i think bernie prefers to be in
a car with two other eem but that's the reality of the process. we hope we can keep being a nimble campaign. the difference, we're a real grassroots ground-up effort and don't have the national staff but that's part of it. we think that's the best way to win. >> is bill clinton helping or hurting? >> i think it's a distraction to talk about the other issues. our whole goal is to focus on our message. we have the most credible candidate to deliver that, as long as we can stay there, we can win. >> do you think this campaign is getting too nasty from both sides? >> i hope not. we understand that the most important thing to do is nominate the strongest person for the democratic party and defeat the republicans. we have to keep in mind, whoever wins this thing needs to pull the other side of the party with them together. i know bernie is aware of that. >> tad devine, thank you so much. >> thanks, andrea.
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jacob soboroff caught up with those still deciding. >> who do you vote for? >> i haven't decided yet. >> i'm leaning. >> i've not yet decided. we are very picky in new hampshire. >> this is greasy. >> that's delicious. >> jacob? i'm sitting here look agent you with that bay bacon. and more per square inch. how do you measure this? >> reporter: so there's no doubt about it, andrea. this guy right here about to pull the wheels. jeb bush could use some independent voters. 44% of all voters in the entire state of new hampshire registered not as democrat or republican but with the secretary of state as an independent and a third of them still undecided. it's going to come down to the
wire. they will possibly make up their minds up to the voting booth. >> when you talk to the voters, what will it take to get them to make up winminds? see what happens tonight, tomorrow? can they decide when they walk in which ballot? >> reporter: i hate to say it, it might come down to the weather. but some talked about watching the debates and making a decision after the debates. but we're out of those. so at this point, looking at the data and i was looking at boston's npr station, these voters, they skew somewhat to the left. so social issues are a big one but what shocked me, i just think are proud of waiting to the last minute. if they haven't made up their minds yet, who knows when they will? >> they really define independence in the best sense of the word. they don't want to do what iowa did but be their own voters and
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good afternoon, afternoon. i'm kate snow. right now on msnbc, the candidates are out in force. one day before the first in the nation new hampshire primary at this moment, hillary clinton and bernie sanders both holding rallies at manchester. hillary's husband, bill and daughter chelsea as well. bernie sanders about to take the stage at his event across town in manchester and donald trump in londonderry and see him take the stage. we've heard from ted cruz, marco rubio, john kasich and more from all of them in the next few hours. the latest tracking poll in new hampshire this morning shows donald trump with a commanding 21 point lead over marco rubio. ted cruz tied there for second with rubio and the same tracking poll shows bernie sanders with a 16 point lead over hillary clinton. good afternoon, everybody. i'm kate snow.
we're here at j.d.'s with all of it covered. it's around the granite state a day after the strong attack delivered by the one and only bill clinton. >> she and other people who have gone online to defend hillary and just explain why they supported her have been subject to vicious trolling. and attacks that are literally too profane often, not to mention sexist, to repeat. so now we've been told planned parenthood, the human rights campaign fund is part of the establishment. it's a hermatically sealed deal. they're all part of the establishment. when you make a revolution, you can't be too careful about the facts.
>> the interview happen before the remarks from bill clinton but he talked about these topics. we talked about his next steps after new hampshire. women voters. and republican field and his saturday night live cameo, of course. >> curb your enthusiasm? >> i thought it was one of the best television programs around, yes. >> so this must be surreal for you to have larry david doing you on "saturday night live". >> surreal would be an understatement! what's the difference? >> huge difference. >> april 2015. last year, you stood in front of the congress capital and had a small crowd of reporters. you remember the day you announced you were going to run? there wasn't a big crowd, nobody behind you. i wonder if you think back to that day. did you ever imagine you would be at this point? >> well, you know what? the answer is yes, i did. i thought the message that we
had of income inequality, most people working longer hours for low wages and almost all income goes to the top 1%, a corrupt campaign finance, a broken criminal justice system. >> but up against one of the biggest democrats of all time, hillary clinton? >> yeah. well, if the question is, have we done better than i thought we would? yes, we did. >> yes, you admit 20 points up in new hampshire. >> nope. i mean, a lot of polys ols out there, it will be closer than that. we're working hard. i think we've got a good chance. what we've done for the last week is reach out to our supporters an say, you've got to come out and vote. >> if you win here, you move on to south carolina, nevada, where your own staff admits you don't have that much of a base. you don't have a lot of staff down there and, no, you don't buy that either? >> look, we started this
campaign with about 3% in the polls war polls. way behind in iowa and new hampshire. we have been behind in nevada. we have been behind in south carolina. i have not the slightest doubt we'll close the gap with secreta secretary clinton. >> we're doing it as we speak right now. you think our guys will be watching the super bowl, no. they'll be disturbing people all over nevada and south carolina. >> on saturday, madeleine albright was doing an event for hillary clinton and said there's a special place in hell for women who don't help other women. >> i think that's an unfortunate statement. i think women should help men. men should help women. but we're talking about electing the president of united states and people should make their decision based on who they think can do the job best. >> you say you don't buy the
polls but the polls say you're doing quite well with women. >> look, people are hurting right now. and people are really angry about the establishment politics and economics. income and wealth inequality. an i'll te people are disturbed about a corrupt finance system. nobody thinks billionaires should be able to buy elections. >> what inspired you to get into politics in the first place? it's not a bad question. >> it's a very good question, and i wish i could give her a definitive answer. since i was a kid, i felt strongly about injustice and just didn't like to see strong people preying on weaker people. and that's what has motivated me my entire life.
>> bernie bros. you have anything to say? >> anyone supporting me engaged in sexist attacks is unacceptable. i don't want that support but we have millions of people out there and we cannot control any person but i don't want anyone supporting me that engaged in sexism. >> are you looking into that? >> we do what we can do and i know every day, hillary clinton's people send out ten e-mails telling the world how terrible i am but let's not forget that hillary clinton had an ad on television saying to the people in iowa, bernie sanders was attacking planned parenthood. i think that is an extraordinary organization. >> you called them part of the establishment. >> i talked about the nomination, the endorsement process. in terms of the organization, planned parenthood, is one of the best in america. i strongly support it to say and she did also say i am protecting
the gun lobby when i redeem my voting record for the nra. >> she said it's not progressive to vote against the brady bill five different times. >> it's not progressive to take millions of dollars from wall street as well. >> syou used to write your own facebook posts? you don't have time. >> yep. >> tell me about your stamina. you got it 3:00 in the morning from "saturday night live". >> for better or worse, and i think we have to change this. i write most of my speeches. i don't have a staff of 50 people. often, they're on yellow pieces of paper and i try to decipher th them. >> did you see the republican state? >> no. >> marco rubio seems to have his
talking points memorized, saying the same lines about barack obama over and over again. i wonder what you make of marco rubio. >> look, i think what we have to understand, this is not about personality or trump's personality or marco's personality. it's about what they stand for and most of what they stand for is the cuts to social security, medicare, medicaid, the refusal to acknowledge the reality of climate change. how can you run for president of the united states and refuse to acknowledge the reality of climate stichange? that's why i would look forward to run against trump or rubio. ic i think their policies are disastrous. >> bernie sanders about to hold the second of two stops today. kasie hunt is traveling with him. what have we heard so far today
from the senator? >> reporter: so far, nothing more on those attacks from bill clinton last night since your interview with him. it was escalated what's going on here. and seems to want to stay far away from him. we may see him on local tv later this evening. so may made the calculation this morning that they were going to put out the statement and disappointed that the former president is making those attacks. and that the senator agrees with his top aids in believing that's the farthest they should go to respond to that. we hear more from bernie sanders all along. i will say the whole apparatus around bernie sanders starting to feel more like a traditional presidential campaign. there's a large motorcade with a lot of secret service and unable to do the kind of fly stops that
have been a hallmark. he's usually pretty free and easy to approach. all that changed partly because of the security but he's also at the point where he's protecting the lead and that's what we expect. >> kasie hunt following all of it. with the candidates and their final days of campaigning, we are asking part of today's microsoft pulse question. can bernie sanders maintain his lead and win new hampshire? the pulse is live. make your voices heard. cast your vote now at pulse.msnbc.com and we'll share the results with you later this hour. as we've said, hillary clinton holding her first big campaign event of the day in manchester appearing with husband bill and daughter chelsea clinton as well. kristen welker traveling with the clinton campaign. i can't hear him right now, but said anything dramatic as what we heard yesterday?
>> nothing. he said he has to be careful what he says. of course, what we heard from president liclinton was remarkable. he defended secretary clinton's record in the senate as secretary of state. yesterday, he really stepped up his attacks against senator sanders supporters and senator sanders itself. the bernie bros, some going online and lobbing sexist attacks they can't even be read. and said his health care plan was unrealistic and criticized him for going after secretary clinton on speaking fees for making speeches to goldman sacks saying if you rule out everyone who accepted such speaking fees, that had mean we'd have a write-in candidacy.
senator sanders has thrown a lot of punches and they feel it's time to counterpunch. will it work? they try to reach out to some of the younger voters, particularly the female voters. right now, we know top including madeleine albright trying to rally those young women voters, doing so in ways that have raised some eyebrows. secretary albright saying over the weekend there's a special place in hell for women who don't support each other and something she said over time. the question, how will it be received by the younger women given she said it at a campaign event. the clinton campaign pushing back saying this is something she's always said. no doubt though, the clinton campaign using these attacks to try to gain ground in the polls right now. still trailing by double digits.
the goal is to close the gap tomorrow. kate? >> why don't we take a moment and listen in here to former president bill clinton for a moment? >> everybody undecided with the establishment, including people like planned parenthood and the human rights campaign fund. we can't do that. we have to do this like this community college works together. and producing results. so i would like to bring to the stage not only someone i've been married to for 40 years but who for 45 years, has made everything she touched and everybody she touched better. the single best change maker i have ever known, hillary rodham clinton.
>> thank you, thank you so much. wow, thank you all. thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you so much, honestly, this is this is the most amazing experience to be here with all of you. i apologize for those who can't get in. i hope you can hear me back there because i am thrilled to be here the day before the first of the nation primary to make my
final push to convince as many granite staters as possible to come out and vote for me tomorrow. i don't think a little snow will stop anybody, do you? well, it is a great privilege once again to be competing in this primary. asking all of you to conduct the most important job interview in the country. because that in effect is what it is and i know voters in new hampshire give everybody a first, second, sometimes a thirpd an a fourth look and i thank everybody who's already made up their mind and come to vote for me tomorrow. i appreciate it and am grateful to you. and as well as those of you still -- >> we've been listening in to hillary clinton there and her first campaign stop of the day
here in manchester and let's zip over to the other side of manchester where bernie sanders holds a get out the vote at a local theater. let's listen there. >> gq kind of outfit. the media and pundits didn't consider us serious. the word fringe was used a couple of times. we have come a long way in the last nine months. in iowa, we started off 40 or 50 points behind. we ended up a virtual tie. new hampshire, we started 30 points behind. and i think we're going to do just fine tomorrow.
i think the reason we're doing well is because we're running a different kind of campaign. we're running a radical campaign because. >> a little bit of bernie sanders there and his rally, competing rallies this hour. at j.d.'s, the national press secretary for bernie sanders campaign. interesting to see the two of them at exactly the same time. it's coming down to the wire. i don't have to tell you. >> i'm in it. i'm in it. >> as soon as i told you we're going live, you had to put your phone down. constantly checking and trying to keep track of things. how do you feel going into tomorrow and moving forward, if indeed you win here tomorrow, then what? we fe >> we feel good about tomorrow. a huge concert rally tonight and
ed sheeran is headlining there and a lot of folks in do you remember and we're not reading anything on the table in new hampshire and i'm with the senator. we're going to continue to work for every single one of these votes in new hampshire. we're optimistic and think we can win and not because of proximity but because our message speaks to the people of new hampshire. >> we heard the senator say you're investing in the game in south carolina. they had to skip the super bowl to get out and door knock but our latest poll in south carolina, as you know, shows hillary clinton leading bernie sanders by 2-1 and then looking at the african-american vote, the deficit among african-american voters for bernie sanders is quite striking. clinton gets 74% of voters in south carolina compared to 17% for bernie sanders. i know part of what you're doing
is trying to invigorate that particular demographic. how do you do it? get the voters? >> we believe our message speaks to african-american and latino voters. we are actively invested in south carolina, in nevada, but also in the march 1 states. many in the south. so we've had folks just in south carolina and former head of the ncap, nina turner. >> are the endorsements enough? >> it's not just the endorsements but the fact that people you know who you're familiar with can speak to the message of senator sanders an why they're supporting him. we have seen a lot of folks come out for us. we're committed to doing the work and we think we can close the gap. african-american voters, they
want to invest their vote into someone they think can win. when we first started this campaign, nobody thought he could win. so in iowa, we could go toe to toe. we demonstrated he could also go toe to toe with secretary clinton in the dblebate. once we get it out there. >> any comments about his comments? can't be too careful with the facts and accused your candidate of being dishonest. >> it's unfortunate that president clinton would lob these attacks on the eve but we want to focus on the issues. we're happy about the positive campaign and talking about issues and happy about the women supporting us and a stropg support across the nation.
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the real question is not, do we need big changes but who would be the best change maker? and therefore, the only thing i'll say about this. it bothers me to be in an election where debate is impossible because if you disagree, you're just part of the establishment. >> that was bill clinton just moments ago at a get out the
vote rally in manchester going after bernie sanders a little bit again and not strongly as yesterday but using the same line. tool of the establishment, as he did with a searing attack. hit hard on the policy proposals and responded to sanders criticism of clinton's wall street connections and joining me now, former democratic pennsylvania governor and political analyst governor and hillary clinton supporter. nice to see you, governor. >> good to see you. >> last night, we've been talking about it all day, blixt seemed to become more and more animated as he kept talking and had a very, very direct attack on bernie sanders. is that what they need to be doing right now? really bringing out all the fire power to win the state? >> well, i don't think there's a chance that hillary will win new hampshire but the day before the iowa caucuses, she was 33 points behind in the poll and now
somewhere between 15 and 10 behind. cut the lead in half and if she loses by 7, 8, 9 points, that's a momentum push for her, very much so. what they need to be doing, i think, hillary needs to stay positive. i think bill clinton brings up a good point and the media, just recently is focused on. as you know, kate, cnn reported that bernie sanders was active in raising money for the democratic senate campaign committee from people with wall street and financial givers. people who belong to one of the finance houses. and that says something that should be brought up. does that mean he's not progressive? does that mean he's not a revolutionary? of course not. you can raise money from someone and then turn around and use your judgment as to what the issue is and go the right way
which is the point that hillary is making. >> i believe on that, senator sanders, said it was a dnc fundraiser. everybody who's a democrat shows up to one of those and you seem to be trying to have it both ways. accuse of him being not a true democrat but not accuse of being a democrat for being at a dnc fundraiser. >> he could have looked at a list of the potential targets and decided not to be there easily but in the last analysis, the x factor is the independent voters. independents can choose to vote in either the republican or democratic primary but i think bernie was going to get a lot of independent voters. but may decide he's a winner and may decide they wanted to vote for kasich or bush or rubio on the republican primary. i think it's important where the independents wind up. this is fluid. i expect senator sanders to win,
but not anywhere near where he was winning by six or seven days ago. >> if you look at the latest nbc poll, clinton is losing the female vote to sanders, 46 to 50%. are you surprised, governor, at how much draw he seems to have among females and in particular, young women? >> no. i'm not. particularly young women. look, his message is a simple one. it's a very appealing one. the system is broken. and we need a revolution. and that's true. the system is broken and we need to fix it. i know if revolution is the right way to do it, but it's an appealing message, particularly to young people. but nationwide, hillary is doing very well with women. >> do you risk alienating some of the younger voters and young women with sharp elbows? you know, the more you attack bernie sanders, does it sort of backfire on you because that's
what young voters don't want to hear? >> there's a fine line. no question about it. they want to be competitive and respond to attacks and really, the president was doing was responding to attacks that the sanders campaign has been making against hillary but at the same time, you don't want to burn those bridges because if hillary's the nominee, she's going to need those voters to come out. they're not going to vote for the republicans. but it's a fine line they've got to tread carefully. >> ed rendell, thank you so much. appreciate your time today. ohio governor john kasich holding a town hall. could his face to face approach land him in second place tomorrow night? one new poll has him in second trailing donald trump. steve kornacki joins me from
kasich's event to break it down next and in londonderry, he'll be speaking at the lions club. we'll be right back. want to get their hands on. if they could ever catch you. as we age, certain nutrients longer than ever. become especially important. from the makers of one a day fifty-plus. one a day proactive sixty-five plus. with high potency vitamin b12 and more vitamin d.
think of it as a seven seat for an action packed thriller. we're going to do great. i mean, everything is moving our way up to the election and doing the best we can. there is nobody on this team that thinks we haven't done everything that's possible that we could do and then, you know, you kind of let them vote and then you figure out how you did. >> joining me now, msnbc's political correspondent, steve kornacki. you have a look at the polls and john kasich in particular. >> reporter: yeah. well, i mean, here we are at this john kasich town hall here
in wyndham. the roads are not in great shape right now but a lot of people turned out for this, a packed house. i think when you look at the polls here, the kasich team is seeing what a lot of the campaigns see right now. an opportunity in their minds hopefully to move up. donald trump in front of everybody and the big jumble behind him. i think they see an opportunity with marco rubio stumbling in the debate, people thought he was going to surge into second place or give donald trump a run for first here, maybe that's changed after the debate and an opportunity for kasich or bush or for christie. these governors, it's their moment maybe to move up to second and then move on in this race. that's the other thing. coming out of new hampshire, we talked about new hampshire win kn nowing this down and then the contests later on. john kasich wrapping up this town hall in wyndham and we talk to him a few minutes from now. we have an interview.
we have the tape as well, kate? >> okay. just a question about the polls, steve. if you look at them, they're all over the place. there's really no way of knowing how governor kasich or everybody is going to do tomorrow, is there? >> well, that's it. i mean, look. there's donald trump who in every poll the one thing that's consistent is he's far away in first place but between john kasich and ted cruz and jeb bush and chris christie, we're at a point right now with three or four points separating second place from sixth place but we say this is the most volatile eight days we live through right now in american politics. a lot can chaennge. one could consolidate and get a ton of independents. do i want to vote in the democratic primary or vote in the republican primary? maybe they end up as a block going into the republican primary. that's something the kasich
kaec campaign goes for. it's a volatile time and there's an opportunity here for any one of those candidates if they have a goo day tomorrow to move up an separate from the rest of the pack. >> steve kornacki, we'll look later. thank you so much. coming up next, we check in with the republicans. the other republicans, right now, we wait for donald trump to kick off a rally in londonderry, new hampshire. that's the setting there and what's ahead for marco rubio? many questions this afternoon about his debate performance over the weekend and if it could cost him a victory here tomorrow. i'm billy, and i quit smoking with chantix. i had a lot of doubts going in. i was a smoker. hands down, it was, that's who i was. after one week of chantix, i knew i could quit. along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven to help people quit smoking. chantix definitely helped
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so much going on in new hampshire. ted cruz is talking about the vote in the iowa caucuses. >> the election is reassembling the old reagan coalition. i head coaope we do well here be got an incredible team on the road in south carolina and then it's super tuesday. the so-called sec primary. georgia, alabama, tennessee, oklahoma, texas. our team across super tuesday is stronger than anyone else's in the field. i believe we'll have an amazing day on super tuesday and our campaign from day one has been built on a national campaign built on the grassroots. >> how do you then keep the home fires burning in the sec states without telling the new hampshire voter, you know, i don't expect to do so well and looking down the road? >> well, listen. let's be here. i'm here in new hampshire. i'm competing for these votes. we have competed vigorously but our game plan, got the first four states. iowa, new hampshire, south
carolina, and nevada. we've never viewed as a must-win. we would compete. winning is better than losing. we are here in new hampshire competing for the votes, and at this point, it's a turnout game. it's about turning out conservatives and we are working very directly to earn the votes one at a time from the grassroots. that's our strength. nationally. we've got over 200,000 volunteers. nationally, we've received over 800,000 contributions. people going online to tedcruz.org supporting the campaign. we hope to do well. strength with the grassroots. >> can you assure voters all of your operatives and ground game after what happened in iowa, are you sending a message or sending
the tone saying? >> i think our approach from the beginning is to take the high road. i would note when other candidates have engaged in insults or personal attacks, we have not responded in kind. indeed, when others go into the gutter and toss mud, my typical response is to sing the praises of them. i do think talking about record matters. talking about policy positions and just a minute ago, i talked about the draft. that is a record decision. that is very much part and parcel of it but at the end of the day, this race is going to come down to turnout. both here in new hampshire but also nationally and i could not be more encouraged as conservatives unite behind this campaign, i believe we're on the path. >> you've been listening to ted cruz taking questions from reporters including the last question from a down on the ground. our own kelly o'donnell asking
that last one. we're going to transition a half hour drive to the south, lon n londonderry. zbling it's going to be special tomorrow. a big day. it's going to be a big day for the nation. and it's going to be a vote that i think people if i believe everything i'm reading, we're going to do well and we're going to see. what do you think, we're going to do well, make america great again? see that ad. that's my guy, huh? and it's going to be very exciting. i want to thank al. i saw him over television today. there's nobody that loves the vets more than al, right? and we're going to take care of the vets. we're going to take care of the vets. al goes to the speeches of many of the candidates. all of the candidates, essentially. and he's settled with trump because i know the issues and i really know the issues. it seems like with the vets, we almost have unanimous support because we know what to do.
they've been so poorly treated, so badly treated. you'll make sure to keep that perfectly, we're going to have a lot of fun. they're our greatest people and we're not taking care of them. we have illegal immigrants taken care of better than our vets. so it's going to be something. we're going to stop in terms of trade. the craziness that's going on. we're going to stop so much in terms of purchasing. you know, when our country purchases drugs, the largest drug purchaser in the world. all kinds of drugs to make you better, we barely even negotiate. that's because the people i'm running against are getting money. i'm getting money from nobody. i feel like, i'm foolish. i'm self-funding my campaign. i am the only one on either
side. and but i often wonder, does it make a difference? do people know it and i think some do, but a lot don't. they don't know the difference. when woody johnson as an example of johnson and johnson is self-funding a guy like jeb bush, but he's not going anywhere. this is not a guy that can go anywhere. total stiff. but here's a guy spent, think of it. spent $110 million and going nowhere. but woody johnson is the head of his campaign to raise money and he's johnson and johnson. then you wonder why we don't negotiate with the drug companies. we're -- who? he can't win a football game. well, he's a nice guy. woody is a friend of mine, he's a nice guy. but when you look at that, and see what's happening, hundreds of billions of dollars in saving if we make our favorite nation's laws, that's one out of many. you have defense contractors
with the same thing. so there's so much fat in the budget and the way we purchase, it's a thing of beauty. we'll do much better than even i'm saying, even i've been saying. so one of the things with new hampshire and amazes me because you come through this idyllic setting with the beautiful trees and the roads winding up to the hill like where we are right now in the little area and i say, wow, is this beautiful. and then yet every time ooem with t i'm with the folks from the new hampshire, i've been here long before the political stuff. so i know new hampshire very well and i love it, i love the people. they really are amazing people, but i always hear, thank you, honey, who said that? who said that? thank you, i know she's voting. thank you. but i always heard and it amazes me, heroin and the drug problem. and i don't see it with new hampshire. you know, you don't see it. but the people of new hampshire,
it's like the first question i always get is what are you going to do about the drug problem? who better than me on the border? drugs pouring in and all sorts of drugs. it's countrywide, but they're pouring, pouring, pouring through. i'm going to build the wall and you know that, i'll have mexico pay for the wall and the reason they're going to pay, and these other guys don't understand. six months ago, they said, what do you mean you're going to build a wall? you can't. the great wall of china is 13,000 miles. by the way, that's a serious wall too. >> donald trump speaking in lon d londonderry. they were talking about whether to raise money in their budget for people to have counselling for drug treatment, for people struggling with addiction. it's a huge issue in lon donderry. ha heroin and opioid. not surprising he's talking
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all right, so here's what we're looking at at this hour in new hampshire. you have bernie sanders speaking in manchester. the middle screen is our camera trying to find the clintons, they're working the room, both hillary and bill clinton, and then donald trump in londonderry, new hampshire. on the republican side we have a three-way virtual tie in second place. who comes behind donald trump? this state may not whittle down the republican field one little bit. we have nbc political analyst michael steele. michael, nice to see you again. >> yeah. >> this is a crazy, crazy race on the republican side.
i know new hampshire voters are known for showing up at the last minute with a decision, and maybe we'll have a lot of people deciding at the last minute, but the polls we've been looking at all day show a jumble after donald trump at the top, and depending which poll you look at, you see different numbers. >> this is just as we planned it. i remember that meeting and talking about this. this is scripted out very well. >> right. >> but it's new hampshire. as a consequence, you don't know exactly where this is going to land. you've got this pack of folks who are sort of hovering around the number two spot, but i think there are breakaways to look for. i think john kasich has a real breakaway opportunity here. he has some polls that are beginning to show him moving a little bit more comfortably into that second spot. jeb and chris christie could very well be fighting for third. rubio took a hit this weekend, and i think there's going to be -- they put a good face on him. you know they're out there
saying, we're doubling down and that's exactly what we mean, but that's not how the folks are walking away from this. they've got to be concerned about that. right now i think john kasich has the momentum to sort of carve out that second spot. i think the battle at this stage could really be for third. >> i had a chance to talk with chris christie, governor chris christie, a little while ago, and we were talking about just that, the saturday night debate, his attacks on rubio, and this is what he had to say about how it's all playing. >> i mean, you know, his campaign with the marco momentum stuff is not working. the fact is he's not ready to be president. we have a very good 24, 36 hours for contributions, and other donors who were maybe moving toward senator rubio are now frozen in place. >> maybe you could hear that more clearly on television, michael, but basically what he said was the marcomentum is
over, it's not happening, they're bailing water. >> i think there's truth in that. i think governor christie did one of the most incisive surgeries on a political candidate i've seen in a long time, and it was direct. then to have marco just continue to play into that, which was the most astounding part. >> does it necessarily help chris christie? >> i think that's a little bit of a question mark for some folks. the folks that i was talking to shortly after the debate thought that christie did help himself. now, whether or not that translates into, you know, shooting up to second spot, i don't know yet. i think there is still a little bit more movement in that regard. kasich has done a lot on the ground, has been there, and really kind of built that in in many respects. i think governor christie really did help himself and actually could wind up living to fight another day beyond new hampshire if he takes third or fourth. because the polls up to this point had him in sixth, seventh or eighth spot. he's going to make some movement
off of this, and i think it's going to be interesting to see if he does how he continues to drive that particular message about rubio. >> governor christie also talking about frozen donors, people just sort of frozen in place waiting, waiting for what happens tomorrow night. is that what you're hearing as well, that there's no consolidation around one candidate at this point? >> i've heard that as well. i think the governor is right about that. it's not like rubio is losing a lot of donors but you're not seeing that movement towards him, which a lot of folks here in washington expected to happen, that he would go in there, he would just knock out the governors in that debate. he would solidify that second tier position, and those donors who were kind of sitting on the fence would move towards him. some of the bush donors who are a little bit disloyal in their approach to bush would move towards him. all of this now frozen and none of that's happening the way they thought it would. >> michael steele, always nice to see you. thank you for being with us.
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still wide open with the rest of the pack racing across the state trying to drum up last-minute support from voters. a difference of a few votes can mean the difference between second and third which can mean the difference between life and death for a number of candidates. the candidates vying for first place, bernie sanders still holding the lead. she could run away with an astounding victory last minute. we have kristen welker and kacie hunt. hillary clinton went back to new york for the weekend. while she was gone, bill clinton went after bernie sanders, some of his sharpest attacks yet, recalling what he said to barack obama some eight years ago in south carolina. but he went after his wall street strategy. >> it's a hermetically sealed
box. it's very effective. both parties are in the thrall of the big banks. anybody who takes money from goldman sachs couldn't possibly be president. but the whole thing is working pretty well for him. because once you say wall street has contaminated both parties, and everybody acts on money, and that's all that determines, then you can say, you never have to debate anybody. when i campaigned against paul to tongas, we actually had separate debates. now the on-line campaign is anybody that doesn't agree with me is a tool of the establishment. >> joining me now, nbc's kristen welker who has been following the clinton campaign, and kacie hunt following the sanders campaign. kristen, let me start with you.
i believe there is a big event here in manchester with the whole clinton family. did we see bill clinton reprizing that sort of attack on bernie sanders? >> he did. he's also equipped with having to be careful what he says. he did reprise that line about the establishment, saying senator sanders has been going after organizations like planned parenthood trying to paint them as part of the establishment, and that really undermines the organization and the work that they do. he didn't name senator sanders directly, though, today, chris. very different tone than yesterday when he lobbed the sharpest attacks we've heard yet. he also argued that his health care plan was unrealistic. and then he went after some of senator sanders' supporters, saying some of the attacks they've been putting on line are
downright sexist and the language so strong that he can't even believe some of it. secretary clinton for her part came out with a very robust defense of her policies, and it all spoke directly to those young sanders supporters. and as we've been reporting, the young voters are trending toward sanders right now. she thanked them for getting engaged in the political process. she said, you might not support me right now, but i support you. the clinton campaign really trying to make a strong play for the younger voters, the women voters. the question is, will these stepped-up attacks work? we know senator clinton has been trailing in the polls in double digits. what's interesting, chris, is we are seeing her inch up a little bit in the polls. so will these attacks in the final 48 hours actually impact voters, or will they have the reverse effect? will they backfire? that's the question we'll try to answer tomorrow as we watch the results come in.
chris? >> kristen, thank you. let me go to kacie who is with the sanders campaign. the new poll today has it down to 7%, which would put it as sort of an outlyer but sort of an indication of some movement. what is your understanding that the sanders campaign understands the momentum in the last 24 hours? >> chris, i have to say going into this weekend, they felt good about where the numbers were. they feel like it's pretty static, actually, that he's maintaining his lead, and that his numbers, you look at favorability, unfavorability, it's a good place for him. they didn't poll this weekend because of the super bowl, so we think they'll have a better sense where the race is come tomorrow morning. but i have to tell you, they are running today a frontrunners campaign. he's not making news, he's not doogs any interviews today.
he's going to do a couple minutes with wmmr, the local tv affiliate up there, and it's just going to be his positions. basically taking no risks, not wanting to get involved in this spat with bill clinton and potentially make a mistake that could undermine things in the last final hours. as you know, this presidential race does move quickly. i would also say from an anecdotal perspective, someone who has been covering the sanders campaign, between that and the security we're dealing with out here on the road, it feels like instead of the underdog on the campaign, this is something out in the forefront, has to be protected, and they're dealing with all the same issues that a major president or candidate would have to deal with there. kind of a brave new world for bernie sanders, chris.
>> i will turn to nbc's gabe gutierrez who is following the rubio campaign. this was the first week of campaigning after saturday night's debate which has been the source of certain criticism. you were then in a bae system. . look, i said what i said, and i said it because i mean it. no matter what the media tries to make of this, it's my message. he didn't back down from it yesterday. it was part of the super bowl draft, trying to set himself up
like, look, if my voters believe in me, they will continue to believe in me and we can have their vote. but what he's saying is they've now opened up the other gates. we're hoping this will help him surge. he told the employees this morning after the ball. >> what's ironic to me here is rubio had, in. many. and rubio was on many things. >> he's really walking a fine
line. some are upset here, especially florida, the backers of jeb bush. they're trying to figure out what will happen with the marco rubio campaign. they're being very cautious right now, and he has been a cautious candidate the entire time. >> do you want to play it for people, sort of condensed? rubio attacked by chris christie for essentially using the same line over and over, and as he was being attacked for doing that, doing precisely that. let's take a look. >> at most. but i would add this, let's disspell this depiction that barack obama doesn't know what he's doing. he knows exactly what he's doing. he wants america to be like the rest of the world. this notion that barack obama doesn't know what he's doing just is not true.
>> there it is, everybody. >> all right, so that was him doing it when chris christie calls him out. what supporters will say and what voters have been saying is, look, everyone has a bad debate night, and they see all politicians have. ly system. >> and we should say that the although fm. the they're trying to convey this guy is an empty suit, right snt. >> right. >> he's callow, right? >> he worked on sanctions, and
jeb bush and chris christie are still going after him. you put up those accomplishments, but they're not really strong regardless. marco rubio today, the been speaking about this. he also spoke about it yesterday. let's take a look at what. >> there is no one running for on the issues of national security than i have. i spent the last five years in the uts use senate focusing on this specifically, and my role until. contractors, a very small audience of about a hundred people. he wants to be in that position to take on the democrats on national security. >> the latest tracking poll, you've got donald trump still ahead. that fever has not appeared to break for new hampshire-ites.
then you've got this balcony. >> it's a diving expectation game. this 3-2-1 benchmark. >> that's interesting, because since supporters have said about marco rubio to. >> what they say is, look, because that was put forward in a media article next month, and yes, we were to it tops. here's strategy. ideally in the campaign, they want to finish with the or governors in this race. after the spin room, whenever we hear, i want to be the tough
yauz r audience. >> we had a big league in the polls. we just. >> let's turn to donald cruz srmd. even new hampshire because he had pulled so far behind the pac for so long, ees -- is that the way they're feeling going into tomorrow? >> he's talking about his victory in iowa as really a demonstration of the fact that he was able to win there and hoping that will leverage what he calls grassroots conservatives here in new hampshire to turn out. he's saying he understands the nature of the voter here is different than in south
carolina. ted cruz is hoping his message will resonate. right now he's giving one of his kind of interchanges with his main talking point and scenes of the campaign that he's had throughout. for cruz, it is a strong idealogical poll here. he's really trying to attract evangelicals and libertarians. the voters are asking questions here. i asked him about the fact that, okay, voting happens tomorrow with a lot of criticism about his organization in iowa with the claimed ben carson getting out of the race. i asked has he sent a message to those working on his behalf to be careful about following the rules, to be careful about staying within the lines when it comes to getting out the vote. he didn't answer directly, but here's how he responded. >> our approach from the beginning has been to take the high road.
i would note that when other candidates engage in insult, they gain in personal effect. those that toss mud, my first thoughts have been singing my praises to them i. >> this race is going to come down to turnout. >> you could see that he didn't respond to the substance of my question at all, but he did give an answer focused on grassroots. when he talked about the draft, before we even began asking questions today, he brought up on his own that he really takes issue with his colleagues in the race that support. he required a sign-up for
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bernie sanders and hillary clinton are battling in the final hours before the democratic primary in new hampshire. all polls seem to agree that sanders does hold the lead. he's been pulling ahead for a while. joining me now, christina shockey, director for the hillary clinton. i want to talk about the gender breakdown in this race. there are two sort of news-making events, madam albright and gloria steinem. gloria steinem had this to say. >> women lose power these days. so it's kind of not fair to the measure of most women by the standard of most men, because they're going to get more
activist as they grow older. when you're young you think where are the boys? the boys are with bernie. >> that got a lot of backlash, i think understandably. the bill maher show apologized, saying they weren't attacking women. >> we have some work to do with young women. i often travel with hillary, and i have to say i'm surprised that young people don't know her history. they don't know that when she got out of yale law school instead of taking a job with a big law firm, she worked with the less fortunate. a lot of women don't know her history because she is out there making her case. i know we have some work to do. but what's really important for her is even if they're not with her right now, she is with them. and she always will be. so she's out there fighting to take care of us, to protect planned parenthood, to make college more portable. the thing women care about,
she's out there working on. >> do you interpret this -- i was looking at some sort of crosspaths of the data, and women aged 18 to 29, the big voters for bernie sanders are aged 18 to 29. >> we have some work to do. she invited bernie sanders to come to her quarters and ask any questions they wanted to. she is really with young women, and we hope to earn their support as the campaign goes on. >> this polling on honesty, i'm not sold on how important it will be with the general public, but there is something going on. bernie sanders got 94% spre or somewhat honest, 56% for hillary
clinton. you guys have said the addie cut is somewhat dishonest. is that a strategic event to bring those numbers up. >> we feel strongly that people will trust her to be the candidate to make women stronger. those in the beginning said they really wanted to run a contest of ideas, to make this about politics, and we've seen over the last few weeks the sanders campaign start to make some innuendos about hillary that we don't think is what we want to engage in. if he wants to engage in that, he can have that on his record. he is the candidate that's been supported by superpacs rather than the other way around. we're just trying to point out the facts.
he's attacked her about wall street, that she's taken donations from wall street, but it turned out that he participated in a fundraiser. we just point out the facts that we think is important for voters to know. >> christina shockey, thank you so much. >> thank you. up next, new england no stranger to snowstorms. i know firsthand driving through it to get here before i got on ha -- before i got here. there is a monster snowstorm in the northwest. please. it's time you got the quicksilver card from capital one. quicksilver earns you unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase, everywhere. doesn't get much simpler than that. what's in your wallet?
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former governor jeb bush is in a tight race for second place, holding an event in nashua and portsmouth. hoping to get a surge he needs ahead of donald trump which just moments ago took this swipe at bush. >> jeb is not going anywhere. this is want a guy that could go anywhere. total stiff. here the guy spent -- think of it -- $110 million, and he's just going nowhere. >> we have political teams on the ground covering bush and fellow governor john kasich. let's start in nashua with msnbc's chris jansing who is with the bush campaign. chris, i read two pieces today that were sort of carving out a jeb bush path to victory, which, of course, seems preposterous just a short time ago, but are there people who think a second place finish is possible in new hampshire? >> they think it's possible, but look, as he said to me, and it's a joke, but it's not.
he said, they were running my obituary, so it's not hard to beat expectations here. something on this campaign that has been such a disappointment for so many people that has not performed well suddenly gets its mojo here. they got probably a little bit of help at the debate. he did well. marco rubio didn't do well. he's taking a lot of the hits. but i had an opportunity to go on his bus as he was heading from here in nash ua on to his second event of the day and ask about his prospects and reports in washington. can i read you some headlines? one says "the return of jeb bush," which begs the question, where have you been? >> i'll let people write the comeback story if they like. >> do you know the comeback story? >> i don't think i was gone. if others have a different version of where we are, fine. i want to cooperate to create a positive narrative.
>> i will say you seem to be just now a lot like you seemed the first time you started, after you announced. there was a different kind of energy. is there a point where you would acknowledge that maybe -- >> three months ago i took it up a notch. so if people were seeing me -- most people don't see me, they see it through the lens of a, you know, how it's presented to them through their tv. >> here's oethe other headline. "bush loyalists seem to think an end may be in sight." >> these loyalists are not very loyal. >> he's going to south carolina, he's going on to nevada, and he will be there in florida where he may well go face to face with his one-time mentee, although they don't like those labels, mentor, mentee, marco rubio. >> chris jansing following the bush campaign.
thank you very much. can ohio governor john kasich surprise everyone in new hampshire tomorrow? let's turn to steve kornacki who is live in the governor's town hall in windham, looking very dashing. john, i went to a john kasich event a few weeks ago, and it felt like i was at something that felt like it was being entirely differently fought on than a republican candidate. does it feel that way to you? >> they are attracting voters into the republican primary like maybe you don't see in these other states like iowa or south carolina. john kasich took over back here in 2000, will he beat jeb bush by 20 points?
when you talk to the campaign about what they're expecting here, they see the polls having donald trump ahead, but they see that big bunch of candidates behind them, and marco rubio having maybe a bit of a slip-up there, an opportunity to get those independents out there tomorrow and to get second place to really stand out. after this town hall event that wrapped up a few minutes ago, i asked about his past war. >> they're not leaving anything on the field, between the town halls, the positive media which cuts through with the volunteers, the good debate. i think we've done everything we can. i'm very relaxed. we have, i think, maybe one more town hall today plus a couple rallies or whatever, but this is right where we want to be. this is exactly where we thought we would be when we started a long time ago. we actually marched in a lot of obscurity for a long time, so maybe we'll get to the point
with results tomorrow where that obscurity will come to an end. >> reporter: yeah, chris, that is sort of the hope of the kasich campaign. they won't quite say second place, but probably needs to be second place. people take notice of john kasich and then we need to get ohio and michigan. they think if they can get to those debates, they'll be in a good position. >> steve kornacki, thank you so much. political reporting for the guardian. i think what's happening right now in these four candidates, right, rubio, christie, kasich and jeb bush, is a fascinating example of the kind of p perversity of the delegation game. someone gets 11, someone gets 13, someone gets 11. it really doesn't matter, right?
it has to do with the backers and the states going forward between second, third and fourth is going to be. i had to laugh at jeb bush saying he kicked it up a few nochz in the last month. he might need to take it up a couple more nochz. he's doing well. >> rubio is a senator. he's the youngest of the four. he's only been the senator for one term, and casey, christie and jeb bush are all people that like to tout a resume. up until the force on this side. do you see to see that turning around? >> not necessarily, because if you look at the way the race is stacked up, right now we're looking at a compensation, technically, between dog.
marco rubio is running on what he would do, not what his record would be at the end. i think despite him having a tough debate, he's not going to encourage voters to suddenly select the governor. when it comes to kind of us coming out of iowa trying to skreez out better candidates, you're going to delay that project, is what it's going to do. >> chris christie probably doesn't have his keys in the game, either. they keep going back to that whole handshake with barack obama and super storm sandy. you may say that is a long time ago, but they're still really upset about that. there is nothing, it seems, that he can do at this point even with a strong debate performance to get past that. >> the other point i think that's important to make, when it comes to john kasich, when it comes to jeb bush, they put so
much effort into new hampshire. the question is, where does he go from there? is john kasich going to have the kind of support to carry on -- this is a very, very long drawn-out primary. in terms of their position with donald trump, they're better poised with where they stand right now. >> that's part of the dynamic, so much of it is capped toward the donor class. to the point you even have chris christie saying after the debate people were ripping up checks. in the middle of a campaign, you're talking exclusively about the fact that skon stit went, and coming out of new hampshire, do you see a lot of quote, unquote, hot money. >> i think one of the issues,
to too. that doesn't look like it's going to happen. they all share the vote and are maybe 1 or 2 percentage points apart. that's going to be really problematic because we don't know who runs at the screen? >> at the same time you talk about whether jorn -- polling shows he may be in second place right now at 14%. he could continue on, i think, but i also think you're right, they have to have the mind to do that and where is that going to come from? >> the idea that that was going to play out in south carolina, you have to be pretty dubiesque. >> he's very moderate.
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casting the first vote. tom, my understanding is you guys will probably have more observers and media folks there tonight than voters, but what kind of turnout of those nine are you hoping for? >> we know that we'll have nine vote voters. they're all registered, so that number is six. as far as the press, at last count, it exceeded 60. basically there's a lot of people that come to watch this. this is the start of our primary process. >> this is a tradition, if i'm not mistaken. it was started by your father, right, and incorporated precisely to create this kind of
ritual of new hampshire democracy, and here it is still going strong. >> that's correct, he started the dixville voting here at midnight in 1960 in the general election, followed by the 1968 primary and general election. we've been doing it ever since. >> and the folks that are the actual registered voters, those are people that live in what is essentially a kind of resort area, right? a getaway facility that is up there that has this unique municipal dedication to make it actually a voting district. >> that's correct. dixville notch is an unincorporated town. the only legal thing we do in the town is to vote.
it's been the principal activity here for over 100 years. and while it's undergoing renovations right now, running it again will hopefully -- come back to being the center of the universe for starting the actual primary process off. >> tom tillotson of dixville notch. thank you for talking to us. appreciate it. in a state where people allegedly are not sure who they're voting for, next. do you know who you're voting for? >> not yet. >> come on, there's two days left. >> i'll decide right in there. be good.
the first votes are cast in the new hampshire primary, and all eyes are on those crucial independent voters. msnbc's jacob silveroff is in new hampshire. he caught up with some of those still deciding. jacob, what did you find out? >> reporter: chris, i heard you say allegedly decided, and that's right. we have first in the nation voting. candidates are here almost every single day. people still haven't figured out who they're going to vote for. part of the problem is independent voters. almost half of voters in the state are independent. i had to figure out what is behind this as part of their history. i did a little digging and this is what i found out. new hampshire, the granite state known for its independence, it's part of the state motto. it's plastered on every license plate you see. what is the state motto of new
hampshire. >> live free or die. >> what is the state motto here in new hampshire? >> live free or die. >> live free or die. >> it was originally part of a toast by a general will stark, a new hampshireite, to his soldiers. as world war ii came to a close, the state adopted it as its motto. almost 70% of registered voters don't vote in their party. what party are you with? >> i'm independent. i'm not registered with democrat or republican. >> i'm undeclared. therefore, i can choose a republican or democratic ballot. >> and get this. a voter who isn't with any particular party, a third of them haven't decided who they're voting for. >> not sure who you're voting for? >> i don't know yet.
>> come on, there's two days yet. who are you going to vote for? >> i haven't decided yet. i'm leaning. >> who are you going to vote for? >> i haven't yet decided. we're very picky here in new hampshire. >> reporter: chris, delicious bacon at the red air diner. i have to say thank you for that. it's pretty crazy. inside that diner, i expected to get one or two independent voters, one or two people who said they hadn't decided who to vote for. it was a vast majority of people i talked to, and you think that's not actually possible, the numbers lie, but maybe they just prefer to be undecided and wait until the last minute. >> jacob, part of what i think is going on is the rules in new hampshire, because they allow you to participate in primaries even if you're registered independent, i know for myself i've often registered in order to be able to vote in primaries that are, say, heavily
democratic so you have some say in that party's system. in new hampshire, since you don't have to do that, it's much easier to maintain that registered independence. >> exactly. people are waiting until the last minute to decide between trump or bernie sanders. there are people who are on the fence, believe it or not, between a donald trump or a bernie sanders. you're getting people sitting there until the last minute able to make that decision as they walk through the door and absolutely love it, actually. >> msnbc's jacob silveroff. thank you very much. appreciate it. that's all for me for now. you can catch me back in the seat tonight. four hours before voting. there is much more ahead this hour in new hampshire, including republican candidate donald trump. he'll be right here with chris matthews just moments from now. believe me, you won't want to miss that, so don't go anywhere.
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i'm chris matthews live from j.d.'s tavern in manchester, new hampshire. the first vote will be cast in nine hours now, and in a few minutes i'll be joined by republican frontrunner donald trump. he's coming to sit right here to see how his campaign is doing in new hampshire. what's the reaction to this self-demolition of marco rubio on saturday night during that debate where he repeated whole phrases, whole speech parts, six times in a row? and can hillary and bill clinton find a focus? this is a big question. and a joy to match that of bernie sanders who has both focus and joy. we're fanned out across the state right now. chris jansing is at the jeb bush detail and gabe gutierrez is right here with me.
he's covering marco rubio event this morning. i covered it yesterday. let's start with katie tur. katie, how is trump feeling? is he focused on this as a must win? >> i think the trump campaign is seeing this as a must win, that's why you're seeing him change up his tactics, his strategy the past few days. he's been doing a lot more smaller events. there are less than just about 200 people in this room today. it was more of a town hall. he was not on a stage, on the same level with them, talking to the voters, looking them in the eye. it was an intimate gathering. he took questions and answered. it makes you wonder why he hasn't done more of these in the past because he was so effective in this room today as opposed to those big scale rallies he does most of the time. he did one yesterday, chris, that was just completely
rambling and mee aanderring. people were looefrg eaving at t of it. the migration wall is something he's been hammering about over and over again. hear something he told his rally a couple hours ago. >> i'm going to build a wall, you know that, and i'm going to have mexico pay for the wall. we'll have a great border. people can come into the country, but they have to come in legally. >> reporter: he said that, that mexico was going to build that border wall. sorry, this guy is using a hammer right now. i talked to him back in july, and the big answer he gave on who would pay for that has consistently been mexico. it's such a big thing, that when he has big rallies, there is a call and response. he says, who is going to pay for it? and the crowd says mexico. well, the mexican president had a reaction to that today. take a listen. >> mexican people, we are not
going to pay any single cent for such a stupid wall. they need to know that. >> reporter: i'm not entirely sure that any of the voters will be particularly hearing that in response today. they still like the idea of a border wall going up, especially here in new hampshire where there is a pretty big hair epidemic. there is even one here to stop people from coming into their country. the idea of a wall, they hope. is he going to take responsibility for people coming across the border? that would be my rhetorical response to the guy. they don't exactly have clean hands here. let me talk about donald trump and he's about two and a half to
one. >> what's remarkable is he hasn't talked about his polls. he's barely mentioned his polls for the past week. i think that's because he and his campaign realize that in iowa they set really high expectations, especially in the last seven months where he mentioned polls in every speech. he was expected to win. even though he got record votes in iowa save for ted cruz, the fact he did not win meant that he was essentially a loser. what you're seeing him do in new hampshire right now is really stop talking about it. he is up by such a big margin, but we keep saying this and i don't think it can be said enough. a lot of new hampshire voters are still undeclared. about a quarter of them say they don't know who they'll be voting for, democrat or republican, and this state is known to surprise you. anything could go when they actually walk into those polls on tuesday. >> i'm going to ask him, why should somebody trudge through the snow for you, donald trump? we'll hear what his pitch is.
at a ti katie tur has been following the campaign all along. thank you. >> thank you. >> let's head down the road to londonderry, new hampshire where chris jansing is with the bush campaign. well, chris, george bush i was able to beat ronald reagan here. w. -- well, he didn't do too well. what do you hear? >> reporter: look, it's hard to say how important this is. the expectations game that katie was just talking about with trump, exact opposite, right? we saw in the beginning of this six months ago how all the expectations were with jeb bush. now when i ask him about it, he kind of jokes about it, that it's hard not to be at expectations when you're as low as he is. i had a chance after he did an event to ask about tomorrow. let me play for you what he said to me, chris. >> gut instinct, where are you
going to finish tomorrow. >> obituaries were written about a day ago. >> so you feel like you can finish them dead? >> yeah. exactly. >> he laughs about it and he actually does seem pretty loose. he seems different than when i've seen him just maybe a month or so ago. he seems like a person who feels as though he's on the right track. of course, during the super bowl he admitted he saw the ad with his brother pushing for him, his mom was here. they're throwing everything at this. and he says he has the money and the staff and the ground game to go on to south carolina and if he's sweating it, he's doing it behind the scenes. there was a time, probably seven months ago, when he did seem intense and more intense about what's happening with his
campaign. he certainly feels that he got some help from marco rubio in the campaign. aside from that, he's just kind of shrugging it off. you look at internals and they are the very same as to what positive pollsters say. he's gone from second to fifth, so there you go. >> let me ask you about the exclamation point after the bridge. he clearly is not an exclamation. it's so low key, you wonder who is talking jeb. nobody is talking jeb. they're saying, well, jeb's okay. >> you know, it's one of the times i've seen him bristle when you ask him about the
exclamation point. the actual explanation for it is he had that when he ran for governor. those races were successful and they kind of liked it, they thought it was simple. they took a lot of poemt that's saying his brother and father and skprl. ly ment. you're right, he is not who he is, and when i talk to people who may be leaning toward jeb bush and other people, they do say they think he's really smart, they like that he's got a lot of plans. they actually think one on one he's very personable, but they don't see that kind of explosive, exclamation point.
>> i'm speaking to a spokesperson for marco rubio. i saw him yesterday but it was basically the same marco rubio, the same rhetoric, every word was memorized. i thought, people don't change. he got caught five or six times repeating speech parts which scared people wondering, what motivated this? what do you think happened to him. was there any explanation. >> they are doubling,. why does it be six times verbatim. nobody in the history of american politics has given the same short term memory loss. did he know he had already said the same thing.
>> i don't want to know what he says, i want your analysis of it. >> he had been hearing that governor christie was going to come after him. he was. he could have counter-attack prepared, and maybe -- if you look at that tape, he heard it and handled it perfectly. governor christie was walking into it. he made it into a tv moment. the campaign could come back and say, look, you work in tv. they say the voters are just going to look at this as a bad debate night. >> then they're what i call. >> the robot was trying to repeat and became very sweaty -- >> that's always been the knock on rubio.
>> the question right now is what's going to happen next. he probably just starts. he had a bad 9 news in the debate. >> keep punching in there. sorp we've been covering the rubio campaign. donald trump will join me on this set right here in a minute. stay with us. i think we should've taken a left at the river. tarzan know where tarzan go! tarzan does not know where tarzan go. hey, excuse me, do you know where the waterfall is? waterfall? no, me tarzan,
either the home stretch, horse race. anyway, tomorrow is the vote. donald trump is joining us right now. he's apparently three minutes away. editorial director is here. donald trump has a great lead. these numbers are fabulous. he has no real number 2. >> yes. >> there is no cruz here. >> a few days ago, i was skeptical about whether he would be able to make the numbers. i did say that because of what had happened in iowa. but i think what's happened here, in addition to the fact that i think trump's message is better suited to this live free or die state -- >> grittier. >> and the ferociousness of the battle of everyone behind him as given him free rein to everyone below him. for a while ted cruz was
attacking donald trump, but then he had to join in the circular firing squad of everybody else. trump has really not been attacked by anybody. >> why do you attack cruz' temperament. >> he had to do it, but he can't afford to finish fourth or fifth here. this is a secular state. he can't be wiped out in fifth or sixth place, so that's why in cruz's case. >> if he can make cruz the only challenger, can he beat him in michigan, florida, iowa. >> if ted cruz is the only challenger, i think donald trump can beat him everywhere. that's because, as important as evangelical voters are, especially in the south, they don't have the overwhelming power they have in the iowa public party. >> up here you decide to vote because you're a new hampshi
hampshire-ite. you vote because you're supposed to. up in iowa you join some passionate movement and you go to a caucus. >> it doesn't mean they're not substantive voters, okay? the iowa thinks they're so studious, like they're going to school. 600,000 people voting, like 600,000 ballots. people here study, they think, they look for someone who is genuine. i think the number one thing they look for here is genuineness. >> i think everybody we talk to believes that he might have something going here among the undecideds. i don't know. they forget about rubio's
performance saturday and say, that's just a bad night. >> well, he is getting some attention, but here's the question. that circular firing squad, how far behind donald trump do all of them finish tomorrow night, if that's what's going to happen? if you're second place but you're 13 points behind, so what? in kasich's case and rubio's case and everybody's case, it's a question of not only who finishes second or third or whether they get anywhere with donald trump. >> bring back the numbers. look how close they are. 13, 13, 10, 10. except for christie who made a big noise saturday night, they're all just a little marathon thing going on there, especially the 27 points to go around. >> that's totally margin and error. i would observe that chris christie who is the attack guy and who basically wrappattackedr
neck. that's why kasich has a shot, why rubio and cruz are still in the ball game. but if they donald trump, if he can get near that number, comes rolling into south carolina. >> do you want him there? >> i want to hire him in court court hillary clinton, i think, is like joy to the message. sanders has both. hillary has no promises to make and no joy. how does she fix that by getting rid of staffpeople. >> i think the pollster who was
an obama case is a case of liftoff. i just came from a bernie sanders rally in the city of manchester. . what's the teach-in from the '60s. >> the teach-in from the '60s is a vechl, to tell you what was yong with the vietnam war or the capital assistance as to what mz. he's been using the exact same record plan for the last 30 years. but it riveted this crowd. it was a very response sfishlt. >> he has one manila folder
that's dog-eared that has his lecture notes in it and that's what he does. >> these ladies are laughing because they remember. >> the thing about it is, chris, his critique, which is that the billionaires who have too much influence is something that 99.9% of democrats believe. >> we'll talk tok. >> why do you think bernie sanders ooi sanders is so high in the rankings? >> here, there's never been someone from new hampshire that hasn't won a primary. you get 25 years or 30 years, however long he's been in
office, positive. young people are really mad and really apprehensive, and they have a right to be. but they could listen to a debate about what caused it, what is the most remedy a. >> do you think he's been unfair to her? >> i think he's been inaccurate. >> you know, i hate to tell you, this is a hard call. i think bernie sanders right now is a better candidate than hillary clinton. bernie sanders is. yesterday we said bernie was in a hermetically sealed box. now he's using that thing to the
layman thing. people in new hampshire can't stand the people in vat vaermon. >> i was at the rally with bill clinton. he said everything went within 10 miles of the border. he understood the power of the boston globe, boston meat market and young people at the rally bernie just had were people of all ages. but they're people who don't have 401(k) plans stuffed with cash. they're not going to get the remedy. people don't have stocks and they need free college education, free health care, all that stuff heez selling. stchlt. >> they don't like it. it was a ton of money. >> bernie has people come up and
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arguing and ignoring you. >> i was just standing there and wondering about it. it was okay with me. >> what about marco rubio just repeating himself, repeating himself six times. >> i don't know what it was. he's a nice guy. he's been very nice to me. i heard it once. i heard it a second time. i have a good memory. then i heard it a third time. i think it was the exact same thing. it wasn't even like you replayed it. i wondered right before the sixth time if he was going to do it again. >> it's snowing up here now. it snows in new hampshire. people have to put chains on if they don't have good tires. why should they trudge through the snow for donald trump? >> my whole theme behind it is make america good again, chris. we're not going to let the drugs in. new hampshire has a terrible illegal drug problem. we're going to take care of our vets. we're going to get rid of
obamacare like you and i discussed. whether you like it or don't like it, it's tremendous what's happening in terms of the increases. 25, 35, 45% increases in obamacare. it's unheard of. >> let's talk about how you get it done. here's what happens. you get inaugerated. you take the oath. you have the ball and you get a call frl. >> he just said to you, he may not make it. >> i my tools. >> what do you mean? >> washington is in gridlock. when you see congress, the last time i saw it, it was about 9%. we're going to make things better. we're going to get things done.
>> when you put up a building in new york, and there it is, the ninth floor brewing. ly. you sdwroenlt. or you've got a late night union and it could be very difficult. how do you get it done? how do you get it done? >> i'm the king of zoning. >> what's your technique? fear? bullying? >> they're consultants and i -- >> do you pay them? >> no, i don't. first of all, it's dishonest and i'm an honest guy. and if you do that, somebody else comes along and it never ends. if you don't do it, you take care of building inspectors, all the building inspectors hear about it and come to you.
>> what will the wise guys say? >> i know people that make the politicians you and i deal with every day look like little babies. i get it done. i deal with people that are heads of countries because i'm all over the world. my company is all over the world. i get along great. >>. mean esposito in his own way was a very honest guy. when he gave you his word on something, it was done. i deal with politicians. they give you their word, it means nothing. he was a very honorable guy. . jobs going overseas, best jobs to china, worst jobs to uruguay. i get it all. you're the nationalist.
you're up against a socialist. who wins? self-describe -- >> i think i beat him easy when stat? who would pay for the tuition for everyone. who is going to pay 9. i would love to run against him. a fox poll just came out where i'm beating hillary by five points. i would love to beat hillary clinton when it's more. i'm many. >> let me ask you about old deal names. why are the clintons, both of them, having come rick furs time p. >> you pushed him off the trailer. >> when were you fmpld they're
having such a hard time out on the stump. why don't you like a nice old guy? >> he spent $20 million on ads against me, which he shouldn't have done. he should have focused people that are ahead of him. he spent $20 million on false ads and says false things about me. he talks about second amendment. he would make it believe like i'm not of he brings up taxes. i have the biggest tax decrease of anybody else and he makes it sound like i'm going to eat it. >> what about the stadium? >> eminent domain. he talks about me about eminent domain. it just came out this morning that his father and the group used eminent domain to get the land around the stadium bought in texas. he's not going anywherely this
morning he used superpacs against me, and now he used superpacs. >> you're going to be commander in chief if you win. you're responsible for response sfikt. >> our guys are going to be captured and we don't want them tortured. as commander in chief, if you were to legitimize torture. >> it came up in the debate. he was very tentative with that answer. you is that you. >> the reason i'm in favor -- >> well, i prefed it by saying is the reason i'm in favor is because. >> the french revolution they
did a lot of they did -- >> but not since i said. >> they draw a quarter in england in the 19th century. >> you're right, but medieval times made more of an impression. not since medieval times have we talked about chopping off heads. i know the parents of james foley. >> let's talk about that guy. i carry his picture in my wallet. >> great guy. >> to me he was a guy of noble courage right to the end. he stood his ground and never buckled. what a great man. >> 100%. >> suppose you got a call at 3:00 in the morning and someone tells you, i just picked up one of our uniforms guys. they get picked up about. what would you do, max. >> what's your answer?
. once you do that, then everybody and his room is gone. the parents of james foley, i know them and i love them. and he was great. >> what would you do? >> i would -- i would try to stop it. i would do everything i could to redefine the area. >> would you bomb? >> i would bomb, i would do whatever i could to stop it. the one thing i would never do is pay ransom. once you pay ransom, they sent the hostages back. what did he get in trouble about? >> he said they wouldn't be here when he was carter.
>> the reason that the. yours came back. those guys are running seriously. how do you demonstrate strength so they don't take our hostages? how do you get the message across like strength did? he's about all the appearance with 2. you obviously think i do because i -- i hate when somebody says, i have this or i have this if we didn't get our hostages back -- we paid all the money back. sf we didn't get our os tajs back, they would have had held
f. i think jeb bush to me is very unimpressive. very unimpressive. he's got something that's okay. he's got something. he's done a good job. he got help with fracking, in all fairness. >> do you know how many democrats like kasich as a candidate? >> i liked him. then he went hostile on me. kasich went hostile in the second debate. >> you're the frontrunner. he's king of the hill. do you think he would be a good running mate for you? >> i think he would. >> ohio. >> well, i have very good poll numbers in ohio. >> you have to win ohio. >> touf win ohio, you have to be at plor flor. i'm at 48. rubio, i think, is at 191 and
i'm at 48. >> you're the frontrunner. are you going to let rubio take it away from you and say, well, he didn't win the spread. the silver winner tomorrow will be the real winner. >> that happened a little bit in container the third place region. i came in second, probably came in first, to be honest with you, because folks were taken away from carson which if they weren't taken away, i would have come in first. let's say i come in first or second because i don't forget guys like that. he's a hero remember. yub yo said he. how big of an impact does it have long term? is. >> short term has han impact.
>> will that affect i am long te term. >> he's a socialist ask you're a nationalist. i believe that about you. you implseem to have lost some since iowa. >> lost or gained? >> you don't seem as happy as last week. >> i think i'm happier now. you just showed me those polls. that makes me very happy. we have another thing in common with bernie. he knows the united states is getting ripped off by china, by japan, by mexico, bye everybody. the difference is i'm go ahead it would fmd. how do you make chinese currency prisons problems.
don't people have us by the fourth? >> why sdproorl. we have they are money. chris, we have them. >> we're up to 20 trillion. we have china. we're going to make a great deal with china. don't forget, i have the biggest bank in the world from china in my building, eve tens of millions of dollars because of china long with a group and system i have nothing against china. what i'm upset about is our leaders deal so badly. >> lit-a smarmg. the mexican president says he won't pay for the wall. >> he'll pay. the wall is peanuts compared to
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his teeth, but he sounds okay. i think he thinks he's going to win. >> he seems very confident. i was struck how he was making a different case for the future of the republican party. he didn't disagree with the association. he's really redefining what it means to be a conservative in america, or at least trying to. >> at least he's not a knneocon. he's not fighting wars we shouldn't be. >> i was watching your talk with him with people i had just seen at the bernie sanders rally, and believe it or not, there was some overlap there. they have different answers on a lot of things, similar answers on some, but they're both addressing a lot of the same people. they are people who feel they're getting screwed by the system in one way or another. trump is blame tg on china, he's blame ing it on immigrants. he's blaming economic nationalism. bernie is blaming wall street.
they have two systemic answers, but a lot of those people are similar types of people. >> a college degree separates them in many cases, doesn't it? >> that's right. bernie's people have college degrees and they're not making any money, and the people who are for donald don't have college degrees so they're not making any money. >> i was struck in the interview how trump likens himself to bernie. he said he would rather run against bernie. he said he would rather run against clinton but bernie would be easier to beat. they have the same energy, they talk about trade, about china, and he was likening himself to the same evolution that bernie brings. him versus the old money bush. robert, have you noticed these things? they're not even generational, their class. it's almost like the new money gets the old money. the new breed power bernie against the old clinton powerhouse or the new guy on the
block, bernie, against the old bush crowd. >> it's a populist establishment divide in both parties, and it's getting personal because the vote is approaching new hampshire. >> why is bill clinton off? >> if you talk to the clinton allies, they're looking at a long race. >> a slog. >> bernie is going to be better funded than the clinton remembers. >> the other thing is that just as donald drufr is starting to create a new kind of clintonism. you and i were there for the birth of clinton. we can work for business for the greater good of everybody. bernie is saying the heck with that, not only with clintons but clintonism. >> it was all paid for by
corporations, and it was a way to get -- >> that's a dead end. ly. >> the whole point of the 1982 election was to end progressivism, end liberalism. by the way, bernie. there's this elastic cover you can put from center left to god know. >> he has a blockbuster win in new hampshire. what does that mean for him in south carolina going forward? what does it mean for the clinton marginmargin. >> do you think he'll win? >> i think there will abe a historical margin. >> i noticed at the speech i
just came from a few minutes ago, he was talking a lot about issues that i think their campaign believes will sell among african-american voters in south carolina. particularly early childhood education. not just the college thing, not just cradle to grief education, but early childhood education and care. paid medical leave, early childhood care. they think they can make inroads in that way. >> i don't agree. bernie wants a revolution, right? what is he rebelling against? he's rebelling against barack obama who is the current president. there's no way you win a revolution . >> it's going to depend on one person. it's dgoing to depend on jim clyburn who basically is the african-american vote in south carolina. >> we've been hearing for months that south carolina is hillary