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big leg up for any presidential campaign. wow, that's "hardball" for now. join us tomorrow night for live coverage of the the new hampshire primary. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in". >> word association. >> loser. >> it's a verbal fight to the finish. >> he's making a fool out of himself. >> a trump attack continues as the pile on marco rubio grows. >> you cannot put an amateur on that stage. she will eat him alive. >> do you think you've given new life to the calm of three governors? >> no. hillary clinton responds to rumors of campaign shake up and speaks out on the harassment of her supporters. >> a lot are being harassed online and at our events.
they are being treated badly. >> what began as a little rebellion has emerged and grown into a full fledged middle revolution. >> new hampshire tonight has made bill clinton the comeback kid. >> when "all in" starts right now. good evening from manchester, new hampshire in the heart of the political world. at midnight, just four hours from now, the first polling locations open and the voting officially begins in new hampshire's first in the nation primary. all signs suggest that donald trump having survived his second place finish in iowa and rumors of his demise is poised for his first big victory. the most recent polling shows him with commanding lead, almost 16 points ahead of the closest
challenger, marco rubio. the last one before new hampshire voters head to the polls, trump is reverting to some of it greatest hits to close the deal. on the campaign trail he's been lashing out at the candidate who poses no electoral threat. the perfect foil for his strong man persona. >> here's a guy, honestly, if he weren't in government, you wouldn't hire him to do anything. he's like a child. he's like a spoiled child. bush raised $128 million, supposedly. they have total control over this guy. >> last attack may have struck a nerve. today jeb bush, the candidate with the most superpac money behind him came out against the citizens united spending.
across the aisle the democratic race in new hampshire is looking almost equally settled on the eve of this primary. bernie sanders is averaging more than 10% over hillary clinton in the latest polls. today, he was campaigning like a front-runner, doing very little media. the entire clinton family was out in full force giving the hard sale against making sanders the democratic nominee. the most heated contest is the five-man battle for second place in the republican field behind donald trump. the outcome may decide who lives to fight another day and who reaches the end of the road. after spinning his third place finish into a win, marco rubio seemed like a man with momentum. enough to close the gab behind trump and squeeze out some of
the other candidates favored by the donor class and party leads. then came saturday night's debate when rubio's repeated use of the same talking point. >> let's dispel with this fiction that barack obama doesn't know what he's doing. he knows exactly what he's doing. this motion that barack obama doesn't know what he's doing is not true. he knows exactly what he's doing. >> the memorized 25-second speech. >> doing damage control over the past couple of days, rubio is standing by what he said explaining his canned talking points with some more canned talking points. >> i'm going to continue to say that. it's one of the reasons i'm running. i'm going to keep saying that. it's at the core of this campaign. >> even at the core of this statement, i continue to say it. i will pay people to repeat those lines. i would pay them to keep running
that clip. that's what i believe, passionately. it was the biggest fund raiding night. we raised more money last night many first hour. we had the biggest fund raising night of my campaign. even bigger than any other debate. obama care was not an accident. dodd-frank was not an accident. obama care was not an accident. dodd-frank wasn't an accident. the deal with iran was not an accident. dodd-frank wasn't an accident. the deal with iran was not an accident. >> if new hampshire voters are taking notice, rubio's stumble, in the eyes of the donor class could create an opening for the governors. there are definitely rumblings of a kasich surge. he's been doing tons of town hall in the state. in an interview he told my colleague he's staying focused
on his own campaign. >> i'm like a golfer. i watch my game, the 17th and 18th hole, i don't look at the leader board. i go in the clubhouse and normally in this business, i win. we marched in a lot of obscurity for a long time. maybe we'll get to the point where that obscurity will come to an end. >> jeb bush hoping to out perform his poll numbers. hillary clinton would scrap the bark off rubio. chris christie said that in race where expectations are half the battle, rubio has already lost. >> it's over. his campaign putting out marco stuff is not happening anymore. the fact is because he's not ready to be president.
we had a very good now 24, 36 hours online as far as contributions. other donors who were maybe moving toward senator rubio are frozen in place. >> there's so much to get to. so many angles of this glut in the battle for second place i'm fascinated by as window into how presidential politics works in 2016. let's begin with the rubio malfunction. sabrina, you've been covering the rubio campaign. people say he's extremely impressive in person. he's very good at these town hall. what do you make of that tough debate performance? >> the reason you see him doubling down is their attitude is we have to not go toward the scripted narrative and the essence of the attack he was making on barack obama which
plays well with the conservative base. it always does well when he says it at town halls. when i was with him all day yesterday, you start to see the strength of why voters gravitate toward him. many town halls he's personable. i had a number of undecided voters go up to him in front of me and say we saw the debate. we were concerned but you sold us today. i don't think you could rule him out based one debate in terms of voters. that effects the donor class which where he was coming off of iowa and about to consolidate this lane, so called lane, and that becomes trickier or prolonged of a process. >> two audience, voters, donors. there's this moment when christie says you hear a lot of checks being torn up. i thought god bless chris christie being torn up. he doesn't say you hear a lot of tvs clicking off. you heard a lot of checks being
ripped up is the moment was about what sabrina talking about is whether you'll see donor class consolidation. >> iowa changed the game where rubio definitely was the establishment before for those glorious three days of his career. now it's not. i think you have seen on the trail a different candidate. he lost his mojo a little bit. now i'm not sure what happens. in terms of the donor class, donors like robots. robots don't mess up. that's the point. the question is whether or not new hampshire voters like this robot. when you play that open in sequence it was pretty brutal. >> we'll get a robot running. that's coming after the self-driving cars. you've covered politics for ever. >> i'm the old guy. >> i guess i couldn't tell, i saw that moment and thought the moment where christie goes there
it is in, i thought it was like i'm paying for this microphone. you're no jack kennedy debate iconic moment. maybe the voters don't see it that way. >> he also lost the vote of english teachers. he kept making the same grammatical error over and over. i think it will be easy to mock him. marco rubio has been a lightweight his whole political career. let's go to the rest of what he said. he accused the president of the united states of -- that's a serious charge. >> so people understand the context. at one level it's like barack obama knows what he's doing. who's the strong man that you are arguing he doesn't know what he's doing. >> the context is marco rubio has been compared to barack
obama. on the republican side that's been viewed as a liability. his opponents have used that as a slight. not as a source of any praise. what he does on the stump is try to say, barack obama has been successful at pushing a liberal agenda. he's been successful at changing this country to his view. we need a conservative in the white house like myself, essentially, who will achieve what barack obama has. >> if he were saying that, i would not have said what i have said. he's saying barack obama is undermining the institution. that's an impeachable offense. you don't say that about a sitting president. >> in this establishment lane you have voters i talked to since iowa who are trying to figure out, i'm not a cruz voter. i think donald trump's crazy. where am i suppose to go? no question they were with rubio before this debate. they may still be with rubio but i have other options now.
>> let's dispel with this fiction that marco rubio is the establishment. he has a very conservative record. why this might not hurt him quite so much is there's still only one viable alternative. kasich or jeb could emerge having a better than expected performance. they will not consolidate republicans. >> this is where there's a delicious, dramatic twist which is the revenge of the expectations game. they leap the 3-2-1 strategy. the guy comes in third. he's the first to come out on election night and said they were the first to say this couldn't happen. sure, fine. he gets that and inflates momentum.
if he doesn't come in second, marco coming out of first two contests with two third place finishes is a weak argument to say i'm the guy. >> if he finishes third after those two guys he may still be fine. >> it's a question of -- >> i think if he doesn't well enough, i think it become a two-man race between donald trump and ted cruz sooner than we thought. >> we have to decide. half the problem for john kasich is if he does well, i saw him in a town hall and i was extremely impressed. a person's different politics than i have. talking about this is how we balance the budget this my third year in ohio. >> he's also the only guy not going around saying that america is a smoking of blood and zombies.
he's saying we still got a pretty decent country. >> he and jeb. >> we have to get to that. i want to thank the crew at "all in" for reattached my jaw to my head. when i heard him say that citizens united should be repelled, i literally stopped in my tracks. >> here's what's so great. the context to look at this is the republican donor class understands the electoral weaknesses in their party. the key is to appeal to enough obama voters. from the background that's relatable. talks about the folks and also wants to get rid of all capital gains taxes, which is an idea when steve forbes proposed it, mitt romney said this is a give away ad. that's what makes rubio this combination of political talent that is for growth.
that's why there's so much invested in him. the question is can he deliver with all those people willing him to succeed? thank you. go get yourself a drink at the bar. bring me back one too. >> is that an order? hillary clinton responds to rumors of a campaign shake up after new hampshire in an exclusive interview with rachel maddow. new hampshire primary seeing some dramatic turning points. we'll look at a few of the most remarkable moments ahead. trump's latest strategy. this is fascinating. as he tries to secure his first state win, why he is railing against big business in the donor class and the rigged game.
something we had first hand experience this morning. today a report out from politico that hillary clinton is considering making staffing and strategy changes after tomorrow's primary. political reports said mark penn, clinton's controversial strategist has been advising clinton. rachel asked her about the shake up. >> i have no idea what they are talking about or who they are talking to. i'm confident in the people i have. i'm committed to them. they're committed to doing the best we can. we're going to take stock. what works, what doesn't work. we're moving into a different phase of the campaign. we're moving into different geographic areas. >> ahead, hillary and bill
breaking news as hillary clinton defends her husband's charges. bill clinton said his wife's backers have been subject to attacks that one progressive did not feel comfortable putting her name in an article promoting hillary clinton. >> she posted it under a pseudonym because she and other people have went online to explain why they supported her have been subject to vicious
trolling and attacks that are too propane, often, not to mention sexist to repeat. >> those comments part of larger broadside against sanders generate a lot of attention. at rally bill clinton, attacks were seen as less than helpful acknowledged he has to be careful. >> the hotter this election gets, the more i wish i were just a former president and just for a few months not the spouse of the next one. i have to be careful what i say. >> in an interview with rachel maddow, hillary clinton argued her husband had a point. >> i think bill was defending my supporters. we know a lot of them are being harassed onlines, at our events. they are being treated badly. i'm all for people who are for my opponent.
it's great to bring as many new, young people as possible. i want people treated respectfully. i think that's part of what he was talking about. >> joining me now, tad devine. good to have you here. senator sanders said cut the crap. do you -- does this -- is this something you feel like you have a problem with? is it a different side of the same coin of passionate support in the era of social media? it's a fine line between that and getting nasty? >> make it clear and unequivocal that we don't want people to do this. i think the reason the clintons are raising this is because only concern about supporters. the polls are very tight here. the polls are tightening elsewhere. bill clinton didn't just talk about this. he threw the kitchen sink at
bernie sanders. i think it's unfortunate he decided to do it. we're going to stay on message. >> clinton had an interesting riff about the establishment. i want to play this clip and get your response. take a listen. >> i think it's unfortunate that we can't have a debate without rankor. anybody that support her as a member of the establishment, whatever that is. >> he made it this point, when i first heard these comments, what he was making with this. there's a difference between saying let's debate substantively and the other thing which is anyone supporting clinton is part of a corrupt system from which no good faith can be expected. is that the argument the sanders campaign is making? >> no. the argument is the political and economic establishment has put in place a rigged economy. it's --
>> what does that word mean? define it. >> a rigged economy? >> no. establishment. >> it's the sources of power in our establishment. the political structures that are if place that allow for citizens united and super fund paccing. 15 million from wall street. that's the establishment. >> that theory of politics requires an establishment to be acting in some sort of unified purpose. the clinton campaign said you talk about the establishment. there's wall street hedge fund people dropping millions of dollars to defeat me. they don't sue me as an ally. >> she can make the arguments she want. the first ad we put, he said people are sick and tired of an
establishment politics and establishment economic. they want real change. >> let me ask you this. the democratic party, does that count as part of the establishment? >> listen, we're running for the nomination of the democratic party. let me define the democratic party. the democratic party that bernie sanders hopes he can create will include millions of people that do not participate in the democratic process. that's the democratic party we want to create. >> isn't it the case that the voter has a positive feeling about the democratic party and the person who sits atop the establishment, which is the most powerful person in the free world, barack obama. >> bernie sanders has been part of that as a member of the caucus house and senate for the past 25 years. >> is he part of the establishment? he's a sitting senator. >> he said no. he's fighting against what he perceives a rigged economy.
>> this remembers me of definition of rich, someone who has more money than you. >> thank you. >> all right. >> it's wonderful to have you here. >> good to see you in person. >> i want to talk about criminal justice. that's something the clinton campaign is running. it's about the racial double standard. ben jealous was on the program on friday. he was talking about hillary clinton's record. >> to see hillary clinton continue to lag behind, this year she was the only democratic candidate on stage who was for the death penalty. in 2008, she was the only one who refused to support the retro active application of any change.
growing up in the mass incarceration generation seeing real vision and integrity on issues of sentencing is critical. >> the critique here is that whatever she is saying now that her record is such she's been late to the issue and ergo, i don't trust her to be a leader on it now. >> she hasn't changed her position. i think that's a selective amnesia. senator sanders voted for the 1994 crime bill that expanded the death penalty. i'm supporting secretary clinton. >> she supported that bill as well. >> she supported her husband. senator sanders passed a vote in support of that legislation. i also think there's an unfair mischaracterization of her position on the death penalty. in the debate she made a point to offer a distinction between federal and state offering a high bar for extreme cases such as timothy mcvey. she acknowledges that in the
states, she's said throughout this campaign that black and brown men are disproportionately stopped, searched, arrested and charged. she's aware of that. i'm supporting her because i know she's committed to meaningful justice reform. >> you mentioned the crime bill which is a touch stone in this. it's interesting to watch people reassess that. bernie sanders did vote for that bill. >> i'd like to know why he did. >> this is a clip i saw of her talking about crime and super predators in 1996. take a listen. >> not just gangs of kids anymore. they are often the kinds of kids called
super predators, no conscious, no empathy. we can talk about why they ended up that way, but first we have to bring them to heal. >> i think hear that language and that's hard to swallow in 2016. have to bring them to heal.
talking about kids. what do you make of that clip? >> secretary clinton believes strong families make for a strong america. she doesn't believe there are any bad children, only bad social conditions. >> that's not what she says. >> i'm telling you now, she's supporting holistically those that are poor and low income. every one
talks about black and brown boys and how they are a proven risk. this candidate for president, unprompted acknowledged that we have more young woman that are incarcerated and she has a plan for them. >> you could say she has plan now -- >> she dedicated her life to that. she was making sure juvenile offenders weren't incarcerated with adults. >> is that the kind of language -- >> who has to be brought to
heel. that's a true saying. hurt people, hurt people. it's a very real thing to acknowledge that because of broken social conditions and larger social determinants are growing up without empathy. >> the point of policy has shifted in 20 years. i'm thankful for that. thank you very much. >> thank you. some candidates are in need of a new hampshire miracles. time hiring and not enough time in my kitchen. (announcer) need to hire fast? go to ziprecruiter.com and post your job to over 100 of the web's leading job boards
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>> i think mickey mouse could run against george bush. >> the candidate bid better than that nabbing 37% of the vote. >> it's president of the united states, pat buchanan. >> he didn't win but he scored, and big. >> tonight what began as a it -- a little rebellion has emerged into a full fledged revolution. >> bush was staggered. instead of a victory speech he managed over a written state. he said he was delighted with his win but he got the message. >> he went on the win the primary four years later beating bob doyle. >> having rolled a live hand grenade into the living room of the party he talked the establishment.
>> had the movie "sleepless in seattle". they could call this establishment in both parties, clueless in washington. >> on the democratic side in 1992, bill clinton's presidential ambitions were in trouble plagued by multiple scandals. he still managed to place second in new hampshire finishes behind massachusetts senator. he spun the second place surprise into a victory. >> clinton finished a strong second largely on the strength of experience. >> i want you to know that i know in november we'll win great victory against pat back to you pat buchanan. >> hillary' campaign was under intense scrutiny.
>> inside her campaign a lot of finger pointing and possible shake ups. >> we want everybody who believes in hillary to come in -- >> i'm smelling a shake up. >> we'll bring in more people to help us. >> bill clinton was out on the campaign trail attacking his wife's opponent. >> he's going after obama's claim that he always opposed the iraq war. >> it's wrong that senator obama got to go through 15 debates trumpeting his judgment and how he had been against the war every year. give me a break. >> less than 24 hours, everything changed. hillary clinton won by three points. the story of a second clinton comeback dominated the news cycle. >> following the stunner in new hampshire last night, hillary clinton pulled off one of the most amazing comebacks in modern presidential politics just when it was thought she was going down to a double digit defeat at
the hands of barack obama. >> the headline back from the dead. >> this is a state that's proved time and time again it can deliver a surprise and change the course of a presidential campaign. it turns out in the end for all the flaws of american democracy, the voters so often have a mind of their own. we are just hours away from finding out what's on their mind here this year.
we're not allowed to negotiate drug prices. can you believe it? the drug company guys make sure you never negotiate the price of drugs. the oil guys make sure that all good things happen with respect to oil. all of these things, that's the way the system works. i was on the other side of the system for a long time, and a very big donor. i understand it. >> donald trump is on the campaign trail making his
closing argument in new hampshire. a state that pat buchanan won in 1996 while campaigning as a kind of right wing populist. trump who continues to maintain a lead despite predictions of implosion and as he attempts to win his first state, he appears to be emphasizing the most populous themes of his campaign. he hammered on sounding like bernie sanders than a man aiming to win the republican nomination. >> i don't agree with bernie sanders on much. on trade he said we're being ripped off. he just doesn't know how much. i know how much. he's right with hillary because she's, look, she's receiving a fortune from a lot of people. >> a week ago things looked very different. trump was defending himself from attacks from ted cruz that trump was insufficiently conservative. in new hampshire, he appears to be betting that his strength comes most from his role as an
anti-establishment outsider more than from touting traditional conservative traditions. it's too early to tell if that message is working. from the washington examiner, whether it's successful is missing the point. he's doing so on a platform of the republican party that would now exist in washington. joining me now is michael steele. i want to get your reaction to this amazing moment where trump went adversarial on the room. i've never seen in a debate before. it's a strange choice. take a listen. >> how tough is it take property from an elderly woman. >> let me talk. quiet. >> how tough is it? >> a lot of times. that's all his donors and special interests. the reason they're not loving me is i don't want their money.
i don't want their money. i don't need their money. i'm the only one that can say that. >> the rnc claims that only 75 of 1,000 seats went to donors. that was a i welcome their hatred moment to quote fdr from donald trump. >> exactly. you see candidates go after the moderator and score the brownie points there. who would go after the audience? donald trump. particularly, when that audience is not his audience. for him it was a win win. he could go in and smack them around. a lot of people have claimed since the debate he did win. it says something this race. you touched on it coming into this segment. it's not a ideological race inside the gop. the frustration with the
washington establishment types allows him to come in with that same attitude, pick them up and carry him on the victory down the road. >> i'm fascinated by him going the full view cannon. it's acknowledgement he got drawn into a debate he couldn't win in iowa which is who is the most orthodox conservative. no one can beat ted cruz. instead, you're seeing him lean into that kind of thing you're talking about here. >> the interesting thing about iowa is that in talking with some of the trump people early on, they really weren't looking to compete there. they weren't looking to play there. they're very the same attitude as chris christie and jeb bush. i'm not that hard, rank and file conservative. lead that to cruz.
something in his head clicked in. he got a vibe he could do something there. he decided to play and got burned. i think they've learned from that and now looking to do something bigger down the road. >> there's lots of predictions of trump's demise. he's been fairly subdued. he had this moment with the crowd talking about torture and ted cruz. take a listen. >> you heard the other night at the debate, they asked ted cruz a serious question. what do you think of water boarding? is it okay. i thought he'd say absolutely. he didn't. he said he's concerned about the answer. some people said, she just said a terrible thing. shout it out because i don't want to. [ bleep ] okay. you're not allowed to say, and i
never expect to hear that from you again. she said i never expect to hear that from you again. she said he's a [ bleep ]. that's terrible. terrible. >> we bleeped that out. he's referring to a vulgar term of a woman's genitals about ted cruz. he's deploying a vulgar schoolyard insult for a guy who is insufficiently enthusiastic about torture. >> yeah. the irony here is, maybe the reality is a lot of folks are standing more with him than with ted cruz, sort of measured consideration of the question. donald trump is, i want to do that and more. >> yes. it's this wild thing. this is the thing.
when you get to the general whether donald trump is your nominee or not, all this will be played out in the general election. that nominee will have to talk to the country this broad strokes about some of this stuff. that's going to be very hard to do, i think. >> that, yes, that approach will not fly. thank you for joining me. >> all right. >> why there's still so much uncertainty going into tomorrow night. we'll break down the polling and the expectations just ahead. on the floor! everybody down! nobody move! on the floor! hey, do something! oh, i'm not a security guard. i'm a security monitor. i only notify people if there's a robbery. there's a robbery! why monitor a problem if you don't fix it? that's why lifelock does more than free credit monitoring to protect you from identity theft. we not only use proprietary technology to detect
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when it comes to tomorrow's primary there's a lot of uncertainty. we know who has a clear lead in polling averages. that's bernie sanders and donald trump. we also know there's a history of very unreliable polling in new hampshire. on the republican side this time around we have a jumble in the middle. three or four different candidates outside of trump, cruz who had decent shot of coming in second. that second place finish is rubio's to lose. he could lose it to bush, christie or kasich. we're going into tomorrow somewhat blind. that makes the expectations game more complicated, more fascinating and more high stakes. we'll delve into all that just ahead. stay with us.
>> a loss is devastating. it's sort of like trump on the other side. >> a loss is like kaput. >> but i think we've gotten into this game. first off there's a fantasy. the fantasy of the neighboring state. the neighboring state is massachusetts. it's not vermont. that's a little overplayed. the reality here is this. bernie sanders has worked the state hard, he did a lot here. he's got a good poll advantage. i think we're getting close to the point where people will really analyze if it's in the single digits. i suspect the clinton people will say if she's got in the single digits, she really roams. >> they have set up that benchmark. the money they have, a win and they go to south carolina, we see what happens there. >> i think for sanders, it cuts the other way.
a major win begins to loosen up. >> he just mentioned trump. i agree. if trump doesn't win tomorrow. >> he's a paper tiger. nothing means anything. >> dance on the grave of the trump campaign. >> exactly. we get to call him a loser every day for the next six months. it will be fun. >> if he does win, marco rubio really has to come in second or he is in serious trouble, would you agree? >> i would agree. the other thing that's important is somebody comes in second and four guys don't come in second. i was talking to bill o' bryan today he said it's plausible that tomorrow night there will be four guys all within a point of each other, which is really the worst case scenario for moderate republicans. that means south carolina becomes new hampshire 2.0. it's another week.
>> the other thing you have to remember, the expectation game. there's the donor game. for the delegates perspective is how this scored and the nomination is achieved. if you come in 14 points, nine point, it doesn't matter. >> voters aren't following how many delegates there are. >> second place means everything. the fact of the matter is marco rubio comes in third place after all this. >> he has two third place finishes. >> that's bad timing. >> on the other side, a ted cruz second, you could imagine the kind of like sudden sort of we're now getting the trump race that people predicted. >> it would show that cruz is competitive with libertarians. if he comes in second he shows he can appeal to people who aren't socially conservative. if he doesn't do well, he'll have trouble in a general.
>> if you're not going to come in second, you want christie or kasich to come in second. thank you. all right. that's "all in" this evening. the rachel maddow show starts right now in another bigger, quieter room. good evening. >> awkwardly very near by but also separate. >> yes. >> pretty much how it goes from here on out. >> take it away. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour from what is our fancy election headquarters here in downtown manchester, new hampshire. i'm not sure how any of this stuff works yet. let's give it a go. up north in conway, new hampshire, it's about two hours north of where we are tonight in manchester, up in conway, they have a paper called the conway daily sun. every four years candidates trek