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nation. a title the state holds pride in to this day. we'll be back tomorrow with more "mtp daily," the fallout from tonight. don't go any where. rachel, brian, chris and all of us pick up special coverage right now. those who aspirie have to come here fir . >> if i get elected president, head out tomorrow and buy a seat belt. there will be so much happening in the first 100 days. >> this election will be a turning point. >> marco, the thing is this, when you're the president of the united states, this 30 second speech doesn't solve one thing for one person.
>> join me in the nomination. from our election headquarters here in manchester, new hampshire. iowa was just a caucus. welcome, everyone, to what is going to be many, many hours of live coverage. a great story we're following tonight and great questions to ask. will the bernie sanders lead hold. will the donald trump lead hold. what about a state where the secretary of state admits 44% uncommitted, undecided voters, and here, they're allowed to call it in the air. decide which party to vote for on the spot. what about turnout so much questions to answer during the course of the evening. happily, my partner through all of it is sitting right here. ms. maddow. >> an interesting night. i've talked to new hampshire
voters before. i'm used to hearing people say i haven't decided exactly with who i'm going to vote for. what i'm not used to hearing people say is i haven't decided which party's primary i'm going to vote in. i've talked to so many people, some of which seemed like a weird mix of candidates, but new hampshire voters are famously hard to pin down and they make their decisions late. the polling is famously impossible. we do look like we've got a strong leader in the democratic field and in the republican field in bernie sanders and donald trump. but again, that's just the polling. who knows what's going to happen today when those polls close and what's going to happen in terms of second, third, fourth place on the republican side and what the margin might be on the democratic side. indeed, who the winner is going to be. it feels very uncertain. >> a ton of people in one of those groups deciding between trump and sanders, another deciding clinton and kasich. all kinds of combinations.
the campaigns are trying to take advantage of that. joining us to talk politics from a part of our sprawling election headquarters, we'll put it this way, we figured if we put a cram if a tavern, our job was to draw stories out of stories in new hampshire to cover politics, that it might be a great combination. who best to host that than chris matthews. hey, buddy. >> thank you, brian, thank you, rachel. you know, new hampshire has had this habit, going back to '52 when it became the hot place to pick presidents to go outside the system, outside of the career politicians. they started widwight ice inn w eisenhow eisenhower, and that became a pattern up here. >> the donald trump reference, and that is if the gop makes a choice, outside the business of politics and remember, chris,
you had a world war ii general, we love our generals by the way, i think 11 or 12 of our presidents have been generals in the past, brief stint as president of columbia in new york, but an entirely different resume than the one they are considering making the victory of the new hampshire primary tonight. >> yes, but they made a transition in 1980 when they picked reagan, who liked donald trump and made his public name of eight to nine years of prime time television of toast of ge theater. so in a way, three men in a row were not career politicians, certainly eisenhower, reagan and now trump, all within the politics in their middle ages or later. by the way, they went back to when da welka. it doesn't pick its president from governing class. it's an interesting pattern. >> chris, thank you.
we're going to be joined by a lot of people here in manchester, including our own andrea mitchell and chuck todd who are onset. we want a first look at the exit polling with steve kornacki. we've got exit polling in new hampshire. what is the first round of exit polling telling us? >> we can give you, of course, people still voting at this hour. we don't want to give out too much. a glimpse. bernie sanders did so well with voters under 30, and we're seeing that again in the exit polls, those under 30, sanders way up over clinton. over 65, significant advantage for hillary clinton. similar to what we saw in iowa. also looking at the question of people who are voting for the first time today on the republican side. that's something we talked about donald trump, wanting to get new voters out. a 12% of the electorate we're seeing here in new hampshire. iowa, the number was near 50%.
in new hampshire, people participate in these primaries in much bigger numbers. you can expect the number to be smaller, but when you look at the 12% for the first time, you're seeing a pretty pronounced trump advantage there. in iowa, the question of is it your first time going to a caucus, it was 30% for trump. we're seeing 36 now. how about this. we had the debates for the democrats, it was the one on the republican on saturday where marco rubio seem to step in it. how important were these debates in the last week. 50%, 53% saying they were very important, it was the most important thing on the democratic side. take a look at the republican side, though. a bigger number. 10% said the most important factor in making up their mind today. another 54% called it an important factor. basically two out of three republicans voting today are saying that the debate on saturday night had a significant role in making their minds up. >> steve kornacki at the big board. we're going to keep using this term, first wave, second wave
for the polling data that comes in. speaking of chuck todd, describe first wave, second wave, just what does the business entail? is there a questionnaire or live questioner in new hampshire. >> live questioning. you have -- you have people strewn across all the networks. they all share the resources to interview these folks. the first wave is that first, the morning voters. so and then your second wave is your noon voters and the assumption is the students are more likely to be voting in the second wave, because they don't necessarily get up early. folks. >> nothing wrong with that. >> your first wave, usually it's an older electorate. they tend to get up earlier, vote earlier. working people on their way home from work. so you know, everybody has their theory of what means what, you know. sometimes if somebody is relying on a working class voters, their numbers will improve in the third wave. something to watch for. the one piece of exit poll data
we're missing tonight. >> the full screen again of showing the exit poll data about the age range for sanders versus clinton voters? the age range ended up being such an important part of how that it went down to the wire in iowa. in iowa, we saw it was about a 70 point margin for voters under 30 going for sanders, but we saw hillary clinton doing very well with older voters. how do those numbers tonight compare to what we saw with the age split in iowa. >> they look awful for clinton. >> she should be winning older voters. >> she's going to be competitive tonight. >> she's not there. we're not giving anything away, but nothing so far in the exit polls make me feel as if the polling that we have a seen running up to this election is somehow off. >> your work with the clinton campaign, is that what they're expecting. >> they're expecting that. the only bright hope that might exist for them is if
independents are going for sanders among the democratic electorate. and she is holding onto the democrats voting in the primary. >> better down the road. >> exactly. for down the road, most other states, especially the big states they really care about, the delegate rich states, you cannot be an independent voting in the democratic primary. so if she is losing, if it turns out, and we don't know what the results are, but if it turns out she loses and it's mostly with independents voting in the democratic primary that would be at least some comfort going down the road. >> better ways and worst ways to lose if you're a democratic in new hampshire, losing because you lost all the independents, it's not as devastating. >> ditto with the republicans. you know, one of my favorite stats from 2000, when john mccain, he won among the republicans. mccain just killed them among independents. but kbguess what, that foreshadowed it. >> they're going to go right at
the heart of hillary clinton's minority base as they head toward south carolina. she has once we leave new hampshire and iowa, predominately white, she has advantages in minority groups. he is going to be in harlem. >> with al sharpton. >> and announcing an announcement from harry bellfonte. she's looking forward to south carolina as the primary comes, as the map widens, thinking she has advantages. he's going to try to compete. >> one point here. talking to the clinton campaign in new hampshire, they are not expecting to win tonight. they are expecting to win the nomination. and what the clinton campaign has told me since i've been up here is that they do not expect to win the nomination any time soon. they think that senator sanders has the support and money for this to go on a long time. they don't think new hampshire is the last one he'll win.
>> if he wins the new hampshire primary, he out raised her in january. >> by $5 million. >> he out raised her in february. we're going to get to a point where they have a financial resource problem at the clinton campaign. this is going to be an awful three weeks for the clinton campaign if everything is going the way -- >> make it awkward for the sanders campaign, when he is slaughtering her. >> he can say he's raising it online in small donations. nevada, he has union support. >> harry reid, man, demanded nevada go third, not fourth, and south carolina is third. i think hillary clinton wishes that were different. >> also, it's not uncommon to hear around here today is hillary clinton, john kasich's best friend. is he her best friend drawing people who think bernie sanders
is a shoo-in over to kasich. it's just to they are rise. >> -- theory. >> oh, i love new hampshire. >> much more interesting is how sanders pulse off killer mike to harry bellafonte in a matter of weeks. that's a bank shot. very tough. >> this is going to be a fascinating six weeks. they're both looking for surrogates. african-american surrogates are going to be a dominant part of the next six weeks on the democratic side. >> we are going to be tracking several sample new hampshire precincts tonight, starting with jacob who is in durham for us. describe the polling place there and activity throughout the day and into tonight. >> reporter: the polling place at the university of new hampshire is oyster river high school. we're on the shuttle bus.
how many first time voters do we have on the bus here? do we have any bernie sanders voters. hillary clinton voters? oh, quiet. any republicans on the bus? who did you vote for. >> marco rubio. >> how about right here. >> rand paul. >> he's not even in the race any more. interesting. looks like a record turnout, around 5,000 voters, everybody is excited out here. back to you guys. >> all right, our first shuttle bus based report. thank you, jacob. tony is in mirimac, new hampshire. >> the biggest polling in new hampshire. one of the biggest in the country. something very cool to show you. everything we're talking about, all the work the candidates have been doing, it comes down to these machines in the final hour. these two young people counting
absentee voters. they're putting their ballots into the boxes. they make the final count. at the beginning of the day, they printed off a ticker-tape like this, showing zeros for all the candidates. in one hour's time, new tape printed, we'll have results, actual facts after all this campaigning. back to you guys. >> all right, tony. thank you. we want to let our viewers know, at 6:30 eastern, 15 minutes from now, we have the first poll closings in the state of new hampshire. not many of them, but it will give us the right and the ability to broadcast the first returns. they will be factual returns, raw numbers, even as people are voting. >> new hampshire contraire yan in any way. just for everyone's convenience. >> staggering we call it. let's see, oh, we're going to a break. our first break.
a night of firsts, here in new hampshire. much more to tell you about when we come right back. >> first in the nation in its own way. >> is a single digit loss. >> i'm looking for a great election day, as many people who can turn out, express their opinions, you know, be part of the process, and for me, that's a big reason why it's so important.
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66%, 31% opposing for smart politically smart viewers wondering if we found a cute way of foreshadowing any news on the trump campaign, this came in as a separate item, part from anything else. but a fascinating. >> obviously the reason it's being polled, this is one of the most controversial proposals. he is a front running leading in here. the national number associated with this polling question, is about 42%, which seemed to be shockingly high, that 42% of americans would agree with that proposal from mr. trump, which was greeted as quite a radical statement when he said it. but basically two thirds of new hampshire republican voters saying they agree with it. that has to be seen as both foreshadowing of a good night for mr. trump and also has to be seen as a, i don't want to say shocking, but at least sort of interesting temperature taking of the republican electorate.
new hampshire do not broadly identify as very, very conser conservetiv. this is this not a hard court electorate. but to have 2/3, saying they agree with trump, it's a bit of a reality check. >> very different from iowa. extremely different from south carolina in ways we'll be talking about throughout the evening. i think we're able to go to nbc's kate know right now. is that correct? katy tur, over at trump headquarters. good evening, katy tur. >> hi, there, brian. i'm at trump head quarters, already quite a long line for people waiting to get into the small venue. as you were saying a second ago, iowa is considerably different, i mean, new hampshire, excuse me, considerably different. much more moderate. the voters are more receptive to a donald trump message. you see him be a lot of ways more himself. they say it's donald trump being
donald trump. that's what we've seen in new hampshire. his rallies have been more raucaus, they've done a lot of those call-in responses when donald trump will say who will pay for the wall, they'll scream out mexico. looking to be a good night potentially for donald trump. the campaign hopes it will be. to get out and move on to south carolina, a much more evangelical, more receptive to ted cruz. >> katy, thank you very much. just to put a fine point on that, in 2012, in the republican new hampshire primary, 22% of republican primary voters said they were evangelical. in iowa last week, 62%. this is a less evangelical, but more moderate group, but those numbers on the muslim ban proposed by donald trump,
suggests it is a pro trump. let's go to chris matthews, i believe you have robert costa with you. >> yes, i do. let me go to robert. casey headquarters, three results everyone is looking for. the leader in the democratic side, the leader in the republican side and the number two person in the republican side is the other big news story. kasich, how is he feeling about this right now? >> great to be with you, chris. the kasich campaign feels very good about their chances tonight. they feel like they've run a unique campaign, in a sea of negativity, he has been positive. they felt the debate helped him as much as it hurt senator rubio. they've had over 100 town halls in new hampshire, and they believe his sunny persona, his moderate message is connecting. not only with republicans, but with independent voters. >> let's talk about the retail. many months ago, he told me, he pulled me aside into a bathroom in a meeting at the union leader and said i'm going to live up
here, i'm going to win this state. tell me why he is connected. so much competition for number two. >> kasich is connected because he has had the town hall meetings. he has also run for governor of new hampshire. he has put it all on the line here in the granite state. he is 66 years old. two term governor of ohio. he has always wanted to run for president. he had an aborted bid in 1999, couldn't really cut it against george w. bush. this was his chance to come back. he lost a little bit of the edge he is known for throughout his political career. he has become softer, talking in human, emotional ways about the challenges many americans feel. it has res natesed with that group of voters, although they may like trump's message, they want someone more in the center. >> what often happens in politics, one candidate goes after another, christie bent after rubio effectively of course on saturday night, but a third candidate picks up the
pieces. is that what happened here do you think, possibly? >> chris, you're dead on. when you speak to most of the campaigns, they don't see a bounce for governor christie coming out of that debate. instead, they see kasich picking up the pieces from senator rubio's stumble, kasich moving forward, perhaps even edging out governor bush. bush's people feel pretty good, they're here at the same hotel. not having a rally, but staying here. the super pac and the air waves and retail campaign, he may do better than expected. christie who is still burdened by his scandals, who doesn't seem to be in the top tier for second place. >> thank you, robert costa. back to you, rachel. if kasich does well as he thinks he is, really saturating the state with his personal relationships with people. one-on-one face-to-face, and secondly, winning in that strange situation where one
politician brings down another politici politician but doesn't look nice in doing it, so they find somebody else they like. >> as you said, picking up the pieces. you can learn a lot when a major network or publication puts one of their stars in a certain headquarters. if the polls have costa over at kasich headquarters, we'll see what that means. >> kasich and christie spent the most time in the state and who have done the most work in the state in terms of the events. two republicans who have done the least number of days and least number of events are ben carson and donald trump. so with trump looking strong as he does in the polls, including the exit data we've seen, if kasich pulls off what he's trying to pull off, but the number one and two guys have opposite paths in terms of the attention they did. >> you're absolutely right. chris januasing is standing by
bedford, new hampshire. >> very busy all day. we have our fifth republican candidate, who is here today. i don't know if you can see. jim gilmore, who is going through and shaking hands with some of the poll workers here earlier today, marco rubio was here, carly fiorina, ben carson. half an hour, 45 minutes, ivanka came through, donald got behind in his schedule. but this is a place where republicans are voting 2-1 democrats and they're about 3,000 people who are undeclared, and so a lot of republicans obviously have come to this town, hoping to win over some of those undeclared to their side, and apparently they've been successful, just about every republican candidate has been here over the last couple of weeks, and drawing big crowds. so far, we just got this number in, brian. almost 9,700 people have cast ballots here. they were expecting about 12,000, so they're running a
little behind the record they were hoping to set here. but still, when you're going to probably be up over 10,000, that's more than 2/3 of the people registered here and they expect by the time this closes, 900 new people will have registered, brian. i'll tell you, a lot of people coming here undecided, making their decision when they go into the voting booth. >> a lot of boston bruin colors. we're not in new york any more. thanks, we'll check back in with you. for us, however, on this first in the nation primary, iowa as great as it was was a caucus after all. these are real people walking into real voting booths, reporting real numbers. we'll be back after this. >> a lot of the political pundits are focusing not on you but the pac behind you, three, four candidates seem to be
battling for second place. is it good for you if they do well enough to stay in if the pack continues to be crowded? >> you know, it may be, but if they get out i'm going to get a lot of those votes also. some would be with me if they get out. so it's not like you can add them up and say wow, they have a number that's equal to trump or even greater than trump, because if they get out, i'm going to get a lot of the votes when they leave.
large voter turnout, a lot of folks come out to vote, we're going to do just fine, and it looks like there is going to be a large voter turnout that's what democracy is about and that's what we're looking forward to today. >> one of the reasons that no republican in the modern era has ever won both iowa and new hampshire, whether or not they win to win the nomination is because the electorates in iowa and new hampshire, particularly on the republican side are so different than one another. we saw ted cruz win in iowa. that would make it a political miracle, historically speaking, if ted cruz won tonight. but anything, one, miracles do happen, and two, a lot more interest in the republican field, other than just who won. steve kornacki, who is going to win? steve has some first data in terms of what the electorate looks like on the republican side? >> you're talking about the differences between iowa and new hampshire. republican side is filled with
evangelical christians, very socially conservative. new hampshire, the most secular states in the country, one of the most secular electorates in the republican primary. look at what we're seeing in the exit poll. percentage of republican voters who call themselves evangelical, up slightly from 2012. 25%, a quarter was 22%. by comparison, this number was over 60% in iowa last week, and it is expected to be close to 70% in south carolina. so 25%. what is the breakdown here? you see ted cruz right now leading trump 26-23, rubio, bush, both competitive a little bit there. what you saw in iowa was a solid win for ted cruz. it was 33-21. so a little bit tighter. but the big story, a much, much less significant chunk of the electorate here in new hampshire. >> steve kornacki, thank you.
let's bring. what are you on the edge of your seat about? >> second place in the republican field. that story tonight. >> first place is cooked? >> if you look at the polls, we came into this what looks like a four-way tie for second place. donald trump with a big lead for first place. democratic side, bernie sanders with a big lead for first place. so we all started focusing on this bush, rubio, kasich be second place finish. for kasich, who has been ignored for the most part by the media, a real second place finish would be huge, for bush, a lifesaver that none of us imagined happening. for cruz or rubio, meeting the expectation that people thought they could come in here and do. >> if chris christie ends up in the running, would that be as big a deal. >> that would be a bill deal. huge deal, especially for christie. because if he doesn't, it looks
pretty grim for chris christie, actually. he is kind of at the bottom of the second tier and i think frankly in danger of falling out. a good showing here, definitely keeps him in the running. >> chris christie said at a town hall i bent to on friday, he said very confidencely, there are two, three, four, five tickets out of new hampshire. he said the new hampshire electorate will widcome down to you're sixth in the polls right now. they've put out his south carolina schedule for tomorrow. >> yeah. >> so they are trying to signal that they intend to do well. >> so many people in the media believe you won't be going to south carolina. that's the news. >> christie has been working his heart out in new hampshire, though. >> you don't have to say he said it confidencely. we all get that. that's built into the impression right into the bat. >> a man incapable of -- >> we may be into republican second through fifth.
remember what that entails. will we stop to pay proper deference to the fact that if all of this is correct it means donald trump wins tonight's new hampshire. >> which is actually an astounding thing. back up for a second. we're talking about donald trump. we're talking about a man who has never run for an elected office. positions on the issues are what would have been considered outra outrageous. whose style we have never seen. he wings it, and yet he seems to be potentially winging it into winning the new hampshire primary, which is a big deal. >> if you just pause and consider, if you just describe to someone who has been out of the country for a while, how the leading candidate on the republican side in new hampshire did it, didn't go to new hampshire very much, shook very few hands, did a lot of insulting of every other candidate in the republican field, breaking every commandment ronald reagan ever dreamed up. did all of that.
that's your front-runner. >> that's the way to win in new hampshire. >> how you win in new hampshire, which is the john kasich, chris christie recipe. we're so excited for john kasich and chris christie they may be able to see second place, where the guy who is actually looks like he's way out of ahead, at least if all the polling is correct. >> and the voters know he has been returning home by air. they know he has not been up here the whole time. they're fine with it. >> let's remember where it gan in new hampshire. he has been a front-runner so long, we're just comfortable with the idea that is the front-runner. the first republican poll in new hampshire, donald trump was at 5%. jeb bush was at 10% as a front-runner. four-way tie for 10%. donald trump did not look like a factor in that very first poll. he earned it his way, this polling standing that he has tonight. bernie sanders, his first poll. 13% in new hampshire.
hillary clinton, 69%. no neighborly consideration when this gan. bernie sanders changed minds, donald trump changed minds in new hampshire. >> do you think campaigns don't matter and all built in. >> and the moment matters too. >> let's go back to durham, where jacob, last time we checked in, jacob was on the shuttle bus to the polling place. we're told he has reached the polling place. there he is. >> reporter: i've made it brian. we're inside the polling place, oyster river high school, university of new hampshire in durham. it's a record. it's official. record turnout at this location. over 5,000 voters. the only previous all time high was in 2008, around 3,500. general election number. i want to show you, first things first, this gentleman over here is from the bernie sanders
campaign with the chiet shi campaign. he wants to make sure no funny business is going on here. let me show you the lines. these are students and other people that are here just streaming in right now that are coming here to register to vote for the first time. this entire section here is same day registration. these are people that have either never voted before, or are changing their address or something like that. one other important piece of information i wanted to show you guys, this table over here for the first time, there a voter id law in this state, and if you show up at a polling place without a picture i.d., you need to sign a voter challenge affidavit, and then you need to take one of these pseudo hipster polaroids that's registered with the secretary of state's office so they can check it with your photo and other information when it is all said and done. some new things, records being set here, brian. a lot of energy at the oyster river high school. >> are you saying that is a
polaroid of a pseudo hipster or a trend to take a polaroid? >> reporter: i've been accused of being a pseudo hipster myself. so no, i mean, i guess it's all of the above, brian. >> i wanted to get that out of there. >> that voter i.d. thing is very unusual. new hampshire has had this law for a while. they've never had the presidential primary. in no other state in the country, as far as i know, when you fill out your affidavit, does an election official take a photo of you in case the attorney general of the state wants to investigate you for potential criminal voter fraud. i'm not exactly sure what the vote e photo does in terms of securing the validity of the vote. i have to believe that's got to be intimidating to some people, the prospect that an official is taking your photo for the possibility of a future investigation. it's weird thing they're doing tonight with this voter i.d. unique in the nation. we'll see if it has any affect
on turnout. >> we want to call your attention to what has been transpiring to the bottom of the screen while we've been talking. if it looks like we have actual percentages in, that is true, and growing. at around 11 minutes ago, the first precinct in new hampshire closed. you see the percentages here, crazy, though, with 1% of the number in that it divides 24% top three and then chris christie. so those are real numbers, we wanted to let you know, at the bottom of the screen and they will be all evening long. obviously when we have major calls, we'll put it full frame and jump in with that. another break for us, as our coverage continues from new hampshire. >> what will donald trump do to the presidency if he's willing to on stage say something like that and other comments that i
could laundry list here? >> you know, right now i'm competing against a lot of people, tamron. there are a lot of people coming from all different sides. i have to be extremely high energy. when you get to be president, or just before you get to be president, the attitude will change very much. i was a good student at the best school and you will of that. my uncle was a professor for many years. i know what i have to do. >> s--
has been in the public life. a sense of really belonging in the area. so i always knew this was going to be hard. i feel really good about the campaign that we've waged here. i think we have an uphill battle. we'll battle until the last votes are counted and turn around and head off for the next contest. >> from rachel's recent conversation with the former secretary of state. there is every reason to believe they have been cold cocked by the challenge from sanders, it's
normty. cold cocked by the age gap in the polls right now and by the gender gap. and yet, sending out the message that we expected all of this, and we are adjusting accordingly. >> the vermont new hampshire is very interesting for senator sanders. it is true, vermont is next to new hampshire, they're not that similar, though. there aren't a lot of bernie sanders style democrats, for example, who new hampshire has elected into office the way vermont has elected bernie sanders into office. also, all of the other statewide, i think most of the other at least statewide democratic elected official the from vermont have endorsed bernie sande hillary clinton, not bernie sanders in this race. it should be noted, howard dean was from the neighbors state of vermont and he didn't win new hampshire. his scream in iowa, notwithstanding, he was doing well. he came in second in new hampshire. the home state thing i think is overblown.
the fact that bernie sanders has been consistently leading in the polls and even the tracking polls have started to close, it looks like i think the clinton campaign believed it was an inn surmountable margin. that's the bottom line. >> a long time studier, when driving up, you realize, nashua is a northwest suburb of the metropolitan area. in the southeast part of the state, it takes on a different character. >> brian, you and i know south jersey and philadelphia, they're the same place. south jersey, delaware, philadelphia, all the same media market. you compare, as rachel was saying, to say the states of vermont and new hampshire connected it to say pittsburgh and philadelphia are connected. people spend their whole lives in philadelphia and don't dream of going to pittsburgh and the other way around.
a friend of my grew up in vermont, his mother was from new hampshire his father from vermont. every time they crossed the border, they would say i have a terrible smell i'm getting right now. what is it. that's the kind of feeling, because between those two states. let me bring the national political correspondent, joy reid, talk about people who are talking about this, don't know what's going on with bernie sanders. this field of bern. what leads them to really go gung ho for bernie sanders. >> the people i talked to went out to a polling place that was seeing incredibly high turnout 3:00 this afternoon, something like 3,000 of the approximately 6,000 people registered in that ward had already been out to vote. the lines were incredibly long. people were really excited. and when i spoke to people who were for bernie sanders, they all said the same word, chris, that people who were expressing support for donald trump said. fairness. something about the system doesn't feel fair to them. i heard people say they think that income and quality is a big
issue. they feel the government needs to do more. they need to close the gap between rich and poor. the issue of fundamental fair nls and economy is what was driving them. i met a couple of voters who were undecided. they were trying to decide between hillary clinton and bernie sanders. so i asked these two women who actually happened to be african-american, what is the thing that's hoplding you up. they like bernie sanders message for the country, they think he has a bigger vision, but they were worried about taxes. they like what he's saying, how is it going to get paid for. they looked to be in their early 60s. they were concerned how taxes were going to be. >> labels a lot. socialist, liberal, progressive, tell me if i'm wrong, the sanders voter knows what's going on here. if you get the tuition paid for, state university, somebody else is going to pay for it. a bigger social security benefit
when you retire, somebody else is going to pay for it. lifetime health care, they know it will be redistributed. when they say fairness, they mean the rich have too much money, i have too little, let's reshuffle the deck. >> it's hard, you can't make a judgment on 30 seconds, the people i talked to who were bernie sanders voters, they were young. they convinced him to vote for bernie sanders, he was a outlier, but we had young voters, but also voters who were older, but more down scaled democratic, somebody expressing their own economic wants. they are at a low marginal tax rate any way. that's not something they're paying attention to, they are simply they want the government to do more. >> a student in college, last thought here, the first experience you have with capitalism is bad. you're a debtor. you owe a lot of money. maybe 100,000, $200,000 for college. i owe money to some private interest. >> you have to remember, the
core of the bernie sanders, voters are under 30. these are their experience of their lives was the great recession. they were raised in poor economic times. that's what they're focused on. younger women are not focused on the women's liberation or feminism. they're focused on lack and they have that in common. >> gloria steinan. >> thank you, chris matthews. >> fascinating. when hillary clinton won the democratic new hampshire primary in 200, the proportion of democrats voting in that primary who said they were liberal, was 56%. we just got in the exit poll data what proportion of democrats voting tonight say they're liberal, and it may explain what's about to happen tonight, and we've got that data with steve kornacki next. stay with us. .
we are book from new hampshire and let's get to the point, rachel raised before the break about the liberal makeup of the democratic vote tonight. steve kornacki at the board with that. >> more exit poll information about the composition of the electorate. take a look at what we're seeing here. people they call themselves on the democratic side liberal or somewhat liberal, 26%, you add
that together, 68% calling themselves liberal. that's the same number in iowa last week. here is the significant thing about this. compare this to 2008, last time we had a competitive democratic primary, that number was 60 in 2008. so going up by eight points. in new hampshire, it was 54 in 2 oh -- 2008. they may not be the most representative state, up tick in the last year, calling themselves liberal. gone up in each of the first two contests. >> steve, thank you very much. another break, when we come back, we're going to be able to go to two polls live with poll closings at the top of the 7:00 hour. we'll be right back.
7:00 p.m. eastern time here at our election headquarters in manchester, new hampshire. a lot starting to change. first of all, at the bottom of your screen, again, those will be real numbers, because we have a bunch of poll closings now and it's safe to report that raw number at the 7:00 hour. we have another wave at 7:30, and another wave at 8:00. but the 7:00 poll closings leave polls open in 23 separate communities around the state. so we won't start seeing and reflecting some real numbers.
however, most of the locations we've taken a look at where polls are closing, folks are still lining up to vote. let's go to chris jansing, and chris, you're in durham? >> i'm in bedford. this is one of the communities that they've only had complete and total, every minute of everyday busy, but look at this. behind me. this is why this poll, which is supposed to be closing now, brian, is not going to close. i just took some pictures of the line. there are 95 to 100 people lined up. these are not people who are just coming in to vote. these are people coming in to register, same day registration. in addition to that, there is a huge line of cars outside the bedford high school here, and so they have police officers outside at the intersection. they actually, right now, just a couple of minutes ago, 7:00 sharp, they cut off the line. so if you were in line, your car was waiting to get into the
parking lot at 7:00, you will still be allowed to come in, you'll still be allowed to park. come in, get into that line of 100 or more people and wait until you get through. but if you're at 7:01, they have cut off that line now. the police outside, and the folks here inside, keeping track of how many people there are. they will count more than 10,000 votes at this polling place alo alone. a little surprised with the surge, people deciding late to come out and register. many of them, voting for the first time, brian. >> well, if that ever gets challenged, i would love to hear the judge's interpretation of the beginning of a line at 7:00 p.m. >> to the point, we actually have a statement from the new hampshire secretary of state's office, which says that the secretary of state is currently speaking with the new hampshire attorney general's office about the situation in merrimack, new hampshire. from the secretary of state, i asked fa f that could involve
keeping the polls open later than 7:00 p.m. that would be made by the attorney general. not the secretary of state's office. we've got negotiations within state government as to whether or not these long lines may keep polls open later. it will also be interesting to see if some of this knew voter i.d. law is slowing it down. >> let's check in on that situation in merrimack. we have tony at that polling place. tony, describe what you're seeing. >> hi, brian, here i am in merrima merrimack. biggest polling in the country. as you can see behind me, it is far from done. this is as busy as we've seen it all day. everybody who is in the building right now, everyone in these lines behind us, they'll get to vote, of course. in addition to those people, the moderator here dispatched a state trooper to go out to route 3, two miles from here, all the traffic in that line, trying to
get into the parking lot here, that will be considered people in line to vote. those people will be considered eligible. so they're not going to extend the hours officially. that's a decision they've yet to make that decision. that's something the attorney general can make only. but with the moderator here can do is define the line as including everybody out there in that traffic jam. they changed the way the traffic would flow outside this polling station this year, and it caused some trouble. people were complaining, and just moments ago, they came up with a creative solution, dispatching the state trooper. do not leave the traffic jam, you can vote if you're in the traffic jam. >> tony in merrimack. thanks for that. >> that's fascinating. they've sent a state trooper to figure out where the traffic jam ends. >> define the start or end of a line. >> define the end of the jam, which is very strange. let's go to kasie hunt who is at bernie sanders head quarters. what are you hearing from the sanders folks and how confident
they are. >> i have to tell you, time ae sitting in a traffic jam, i'm obviously in line. why else would i be there. no, the sanders campaign, we'll seen the polling data, hear the same information coming out of the sanders and clinton campaign. at this point, they are very confident about where they stand. they feel like they're seeing high turnout in the areas where their base is going to be. those are places of course, closer to the vermont border, some of the more rural areas in northern new hampshire, the ken area, you can understand where why it might be bernie sanders country. the conversation with the sanders campaign at this point is pushing beyond new hampshire. the question of course is whether or not he can take these two performances in iowa and new hampshire and convert them into a significant challenge to the democratic nomination fight with hillary clinton. and so they're already going up with ads in four super tuesday states that's planned for this week, and they're starting to
think about okay, what does our coalition look together. if i can take you back to 2008 for a second, who did obama have. he had young people, african-american voters and upper income liberal whites. that's who took him to the nomination over hillary clinton, who largely had both men and women who were blue collar, who have latinos, and have a significant advantage with women. the question for the sanders campaign becomes how do we build our own coalition that eats into hers. they're going to have a difficult time with the african-american voters and look for some inn roads, starting tomorrow. he of course is going to have breakfast with al sharpton in new york. look for him to make inn roads with latino voters. they feel like they can significantly make an impact there. they don't feel as though it's a community as sfrotrongly with hillary clinton as the african-american community.
they think they can win of the voters that barack obama lost. so many of those blue collar voters, both men and women, and they feel like their base is people who are making $50,000 or under. so that's working class americans. so those are the numbers that they're really watching. i think one test they're looking to see tonight is how many voters making over $50,000 do turn to sanders, because if they can pick up more of those, they feel they're on stronger footing. >> it's interesting to watch the homegrown campaign effort that sooner or later has a data driven, massive motor cade. kasie hunt, you've watched it all happen. we'll be going back to you many times. let's go to chris matthews about the new hampshire voter. chris, driving around here, obviously live free or die is on every license plate. people forget it was one of the greatest cases, young judge suter decided before being
tabbed for the supreme court was weather or n whether or not that remained on the license plate. the subaru is a larm part of the world. part western maine, eastern ver months, yet the center, there is such a discernible center of new hampshire. >> well, i would say -- i would say the gritty is the word. gritty. live free or die is a phrase they love up here. they're very defiant when they see the voters of iowa, they like nothing more than to reverse that decision, as they did saving hillary clinton's campaign for all those months back eight years ago. they love to do that. they did it with ronald reagan, reversing his loss in the iowa caucuses to the first george bush. they're very defiant here. they go for character. they like guys like john mccain, people who have proven their
cake ack t character. they like gritty and toughness. well, we saw one candidate who had a bad night. let's put it that way. he'll have a tough time tuesday night, because he had a bad time saturday night. they're looking for people that are thin and phony, and memorizing, and they look for people that seem to have a spontaneous human reality. i think that's why bernie sanders is doing well up here. and believe it or not, for the same reason why they like trump. they see in them focus, and they see in them a sense of joy and life. they like their living in the same planet with these guys, and they find a lot of people phony in politics, and they don't like them at all. new hampshire is the place where they get, well, they get windowed out. >> chris matthews, we actually have some data on actually what he was talking about there in terms of what kind of qualities voters tonight say they were looking for when they went in
and cast their votes. steve kornacki has that from the exit polls. >> we can look at both sides, start with the democratic side. what they say they were looking for the most, 32% saying honest and trustworthy, 27% cares about people like -- you can add some of this with the messages they were sending out. the idea of experience is something the clinton campaign has been stressing in this race. sanders campaign not so much. the idea of electability in november. we've heard clinton make specific pitches. electability, sanders stressing more, but on the republican side, also striking, you could see that question of can win in november. if you had been driving around in the state, you've been watching television over the last week and you've heard a marco rubio ad, then chances are, you've had him make the explicit case that only marco rubio can win in november. only 11% saying that, tells it
like it is. obviously that could apply to donald trump, but it's worth noting, chris christie as of this, has been using that tag line, the old howard cosell, telling it like it is, the republican side that we're seeing here. >> wow, gene robinson, laura o'donnell. what do you make of that? >> those are good-looking results for donald trump and for bernie sanders. >> yeah. >> both of those patterns work very well for them. >> that's right. >> that's absolutely right. those wouldn't have been the numbers, necessarily in other years. that electability for example. voters in both parties usually more concerned about electability than they seem to be this year. >> remember what you're asking a voter to do when you talk about electability. you're saying to that voter, in your one moment, your one and important interaction with the democratic process, i want you to be a politician. i want you to do this the way a
politician would. and aim for a realistic out come that maybe a compromised outcome off of your ideal. that's difficult to ask, especially idealistic voters. the sanders followers are definitely idealistic voters. >> i've been amazed with sanders voters, i hear the talking points from them, they're hearing from the stage, hearing from television advertising, very interesting. even if it's an attack line against secretary clinton. >> but what you hear from them, also, is that they were on these issues before the sanders candidacy came along. you will run into an awful lot of young people who care about these so-called bank fraud, all that stuff that bernie talks about, that comes out of, a move that started before bernie sanders candidacy. the environmental elements that you talk about. by the way, hillary and bernie's voters, they talk e.
>> so few differences on policy and that's true in every primary, right. you always get some sort of coalescing, when you've only have two candidates, all the more striking how their prescriptions are the same. so when you're asking people to choose from is a different type of person, different politician. what's interesting is bernie sanders has been anyone to run as a non-politician literally longer than hillary clinton has. he got there in 1991. she didn't get there until 1993. >> exactly. he he's being seen as an an antipolitician. >> he's looked at as a -- >> it's from the senate doctor, i mean, it's like -- >> no, but potentially, this is telling us something about the standing of politicians and politics as usual in this country right now. and you know, we thought we had been seeing signs of that in the
runup to the voting and now people have started to vote, we'll see, but. >> but it's also not a -- it's also not an empirical thing. ted cruz is a professional politician. >> yes, absolutely. >> bernie sanders is a professional politician. marco rubio is a lifelong professional pol tuitician. we've taung we've talked about the way they've sent their message. >> we have to take another break. when we come back, we're going to go live to polling places that have closed officially. and polling places where there are still people in line to vote. in fact, polling places where state troopers are determining which cars looked like they meant to vote. more when we come back. >> it's incredible. >> i enjoyed making sure people understood that i'm ready to be president and senator rubio is not. i'm ready to beat hnk aillary
these are lines outside the single polling place in merrimack, new hampshire. this a very interesting situation that is unfolding live right now. merrimack, new hampshire is just south of manchester, not so far as nashua. this is the single largest polling place in the state of new hampshire. all of merrimack votes in the same place. merrimack high school, in the gym, 14,000 people expected. these polls opened at 7:00 a.m. they were supposed to be closing at 7:00 p.m.
technically, they are closed at 7:00 p.m. but closed means the last person in line still gets to vote. looking at these aerials, could you put your finger on the last person in line. tony is on scene for us at this remarkable site. what do you know about how specific they've been able to get about who gets in tonight and who doesn't? >> they have a very, very specific, rachel. a dramatic moment about 15 minutes ago, i was standing next to themoderator, and she was saying listen, we have people lined up for more than a mile. they need to get in here. we changed the traffic configure ra -- configuration. at 7:00 p.m., they dispatched a trooper, go to the back of the line, but to define the line effectively, include all the people you see milling around here, all the people in the hallway, the parking lot, all
the way to route 3, they'll get to vote. if you're listening to us on radio right now or your friend is, send the peace singe, messa. you'll get your right to vote. stay in the traffic jam. >> let me ask a specific question. i'll understand if you don't know the answer. but have they corralled traffic in such a way into this polling place that it's clear that everybody who is on the road to merrimack high school from route 3s there to vote, that there aren't people there taking shortcuts i mean, i guess i'm trying to figure out if this line can in fact be defined as a line. this seems like a remarkable logistical challenge. >> in years past, they had two-way traffic, and that caused problems, because the parking lot couldn't handle the flow. they decided to try something different. they went with a one way access road which extends for away from
the school here and that access road only goes in one direction. so everybody in that cue can be defined, very clearly, you can walk it, it goes forever, there is a cop at the front and now a state trooper at the back. so very clearly, they're able to define it and they came up with a solution that is going to give the right to vote to all those people, desperately fighting the rush hour traffic to get here for the 7:00 hour. they did it, they're going to get to vote, rachel. >> tony, in terms of talking to the moderator, other people making these decisions, is it because of a high number coming out to vote, 14,000 to be voting there, is the actual number turning out so much higher than that they're having this problem, or is it because of something lodgistcly happening, is it because of having to show an i.d. and things like that? >> that's right.
so new hampshire is doing something different. this is the first presidential primary in history where they're going to have to present an i.d. the legislate toor overrode a v. it moved swiftly all day long. only about 27 people who didn't have an i.d., and they had to have a polaroid picture taken. they got their picture taken. takes about two minutes. that was supposed to snarl the line. it did not. it wasn't what anyone thought it was going to be. the trouble had nothing to do with the voter i.d. law. it had a good intentioned effort to smooth the traffic flow around the building here. it backfired, but moments ago, the state trooper is at the back of the line as we speak. >> thank you, tony. stick with it. >> tony, thanks. we'll be going back to you.
chris matthews with two special guests. chris. >> thank you so much, brian. we have two people here who are very much popular in this part of the country that is joe and mika. you've had a nice day, ski weather. you don't vote today, it's because you don't want to vote. what did you learned to? >> it looks like the story of the night is going to be turnout those lines are beautiful. incredible, really. past 24 hours, late last night, early this morning, we spent time with the trumps, with donald trump and his family. i see a big evolution from iowa. he is not going to say he's won this thing until he knows he has won it if he wins it and he's not sure he will. you saw a real change in tone. much less bravado, and much more himself, very confident, holding back on calling had for himself. >> when they're hit hard, life's knocks make them better. jerry brown used to be -- he's a
good guy now. >> he is a guy from queens, who has always felt like he was treated poorly from the outer, but he uses the bravado, but 4,000, 5,000 people there, any other politician there, he turns around before he walks out, we just completed an interview, and he said a big crowd, but i had big crowds in iowa. are they going to get out and vote. >> do you think he understands? you were trying to get him to say this morning, did this this surprise you, and in character, he refuses to get out of ca character. i was thinking, did you know how good his message was going to be when he started delivering it. >> absolutely. we spent time with him. i don't agree with most of what he says in terms of any policy that he has slightly alluded to.
but i've thought the gyuy knows he can win and it's right here. he has ripped the mask off people who were prepared. look at what happened to marco rubio this week. it's all because the dynamic of this race is now who can actually talk on the fly and connect with people without preparing. >> he's the anti-rubio, an antipolitician, we were talking to him, he kept talking to us. they're pulling him out, mr. trump, mr. trump, ten seconds, and they literally pushed him out. he just kind of tucked into his pocket and said oh, well and went out. you look at what is happening on the republican side with a lot of these exit poll numbers, you look at what's happening on the democratic side, where half the democratic voters say keep moving in the direction of barack obama, the other half say we want more liberal policies. boy, this is an electorate
tonight that is really in res t revolt, and you look at the high numbers, i wish teddy white were here to talk about this, because we all, day in and day out, talk about the problems about american politics, but the first two states, record turnout american democracy, even though it's ugly sometimes, seems to be in a good place. >> the commonalty, they seem to be doing well in the polls, sanders and trump, both outsiders, really. both focused, you know what they assistant for. the other say is a nationalist, and they're joyous. both of them are rejections of the establishment. old families, mika. the bushes and the clintons are having a tough time up here. >> i think hillary clinton if she loses big tonight has a lot to learn about the run-up to new
hampshire. if she loses big, a lot to learn. where are the endorsements from people main messers of inequality. why can't she get elizabeth warren. as far as bernie is concerned. >> people are competitive. they're rivals. >> really. she mahas gotten all the others. just one, elizabeth warren. >> the thing is, if you look at the candidates, what did bernie and trump have in common? they both are against unfetterred free trade. neither are taking money from war straight. >> both against the iraq war. >> basically both against what the bush family and the clinton family built over the past 30 years. and they're blowing it up. i can speak more for republicans than democrats, i can tell you donald trump is basically the revenge of republicans who feel like washington republicans have betrayed them for 30 years. now, the great irony is, a guy
who has been a democratic for most of his life and not even a conservative. >> cruel. >> but he's doing it. >> revenge. >> you've been to bernie meetings. >> my dad likes bernie. >> they're fantastic. he is so much better in the room with 200 people than on tv. he's too hot on tv. in the room, he's logical, he seems like a logical guy, it all comes back to one thing. it will bite the republicans in the bite, citizens united has been the energy of the left. >> isn't that funny, though? the two guys that are winning tonight, neither one of them are taking from the donor class that 95% of presidential candidates have taken from the past 30 years. >> ignoring the ads? >> they're ignoring them. nobody cares about the ads. >> nobody cares about the ads, and nobody on wall street has contributed to bernie or trump. >> we'll be here all night if
you want to rejoin. >> we would love it. >> you'll be here in about three hours. >> oh. >> you put it that way. >> let's hope we're making chris's point about participation and turnout when we're back out here for the general in november. we're going to take a break. still watching all of these situations where the polls were to have closed a long time ago, but we have in one case, a mile long line of people who want to cast their vote before all the votes are counted up tonight. we're nearing the hour where we will get the official, official poll closing statewide. that and more when we come back. >> i say it all the time. if you're sick, if you're really like, you can't move, you're close to death, your doctor tells you it's not working, your wife is doisgusted with you, i
sporadic returns when we start getting real hard numbers, you'll be the first to know. let's check in with chris jansing at another of our polling places in bedford. >> yeah, brian, this place is supposed to close at 7:00, but still some people who are voting. we saw those huge lines that snaked from this gymnasium down the hallway, and went for 100 people or more, and then just before 7:00, the polls supervisor actually went outside and with the police car, went to the back of the line, determined who was actually still in line at 7:00 on the dot. who was trying to get through the traffic that was overflowing, and he along with the police officer put him in line there and determined that those were people who had made a real attempt, looked around, made sure there was nobody else trying to come in, and cut it off at that point.
then, he came in here and he walked down that line and he started announcing the polls are closing, they're closing. which was chaotic for a couple of minutes, because some people thought that meant since it was after 7:00, they were not going to be able to vote. anybody who was in line and all people who were waiting to register, have been allowed to vote. we have just a few people who were left there now, they're finishing up. the tallies are going to start in the end here, they ended up with 10,480 ballots cast, before the folks who came in after 7:00. and they think in the end, they haven't done a running count, but they think 900 to 1,000 new registrations, brian. >> chris, two points here. number one, people look happy. people on camera are smiling. they're happy to be in line. happy to be voting. let's just say that several large american cities could learn a less on from this. people could be out in public and be happy and happily engaged
in something. point number two, aren't you leaving there to go to bush headquarters for us later. >> i'm on my way to jeb bush, but i would go beyond happy and i would say they're excited. they want to be apart of this. say what you will about the crazy election season. it has fired people up in the process. i'm going to get involved in the process over at one of the wrap parties. a party going on here, pizza and jambalaya. >> get me an address, we'll be over. >> sccan i ask you one question? those numbers you just said, as far as i know about the polling place, they were expecting something like 12,000 voters, that's what they were anticipating in bedford. you said they got about 10,500 before they started coming off the line at 7:00 roughly. >> they'll end with about 10,750. the late surge, just attributing it to the new voter excitement.
not clear to the supervisor who has been around a long time. but when you're talking about registration of about 15,000 and you're approaching 11,000 people who vote, those numbers aren't bad. >> yeah, the numbers are great. but i think i'm having cognitive disdense, they weren't quite as good as what they were expecting, but a mile long line, including a cop car trying to find the end of the line that might be far away in traffic. why did they end up with such a big long line, people having to wait for so long. all of these logistical difficulties. that's the part i don't get. >> yeah, first thing i would have to say it that this was incredibly run polling place. my parents work polls in the '80s, so i've been coming as a reporter and as a person since way back then. but what they really think happened here and anecdotally i can tell you happened here is a
lot of people getting excited during the course of the day who decided at the last minute, came down, all of the people in line, rachel, were new registrations. when he walked that line, he said is there anybody here registered already. we can take you to the front of the line. none of them were. every single person who came in late was somebody who was a new registrant. what i can tell you is that people really wanted at the last minute to be apart of this. >> chris jansing, thank you very much. getting the dynamic here is fascinating. seeing those long lines is one thing. what i'm trying to figure out, are those long lines heart enning, because they never expected them to turn out, the popularity or or are people getting through the paces that ought to be normal and expected because things logisticsly have
gone wrong. i'm not sure we've got a clear picture from the polling places that we're able to see, but we're definitely seeing some long lines. let's go to jacob, who is at oyster river high school. we know a lot of young people have been voting. what's going on there now? >> so rachel, this is actually representative wayne burton, who was watching our broadcast early in the evening from his home in this area, saw what you were saying about this, the voter challenge affidavit and the polaroid picture that he suspected is not in any other state, and he said he wanted to come down and talk to us about it. he is a deputy ranking member of the house committees and is opposed to this photo. >> correct. >> why is that? >> because i think it's an unnecessary intrusion that suppresses the vote. we should do nothing to do that at a time when democracy seems to be on fire in new hampshire. these kinds of things just tend to discourage people from getting here and voting, which is the most important thing they're doing today. >> i want to just say for the record, i was told only six
people used these and were challenged. you said your wife did it as a protest. >> absolutely. others do it as a protest as well. that's not the only thing that is happening now. in the legislation, we've been hit with waiting periods, hit with redefinitions of residents, we've been hit with all sorts of things that tend to come out of conservative think tanks trying to suppress the student vote, which was wonderful today. to see all the young people here, exercising their right to vote, in accordance with their conscious. >> there sure were a lot of people. as we saw today, a high turnout rachel, as you suspected, opposition to this photo i.d. here in new hampshire. >> thank you. thanks to representative burton for telling us what's going on. appreciate that. >> that is the cleave in the debate over voter identification fixing and alleged wrong versus why would you ever put any
impediments in front of somebody being able to -- >> do the impediments do anything to address the perceived risks, in this case, that picture doesn't, as far as i can tell, doesn't do anything, except make you get your picture taken. >> steve kornacki is at the board. >> we have more exit poll data. republican side, interesting question they asked republican voters, who would be best at handling an international crisis. this is what came back. donald trump, republican voters saying in this exit poll, 27%. jeb bush, 17, crews and rubio, far back in that. trump, at least among this, they have the confidence, he would be best in international crisis. >> thanks, steve. we have not addressed the question why steve gets to dress that way. >> yes, actually. >> new hampshire casual? >> did you have to get special permission or something? >> if you want me to tell the whole story. >> yes. >> i was walking around and people who was higher up said
are you going to get gussied up for the show and then took at look at me and said actually let's go with that. >> wait. you look good in jeans? >> yeah, i don't know. i would never push too hard for this. i recognize it's a unconventional. but once somebody gave me an opening, i took it, because i have to say, i'm comfortable. >> let's take a long commercial break. i have jeans upstairs. >> line two, i can't wait to find out who that sign i don't remember -- senior official is. we're rounding the final bend here. we have statewide closing at the top of the hour. >> that's right.
we are joined here in the studio in our election headquarters by two veterans of campaigns, one of them runs them, the other covers them. steve smith and chuck todd. thanks for being patient with us before. you've been on your device, it gives nothing away to say nonstop since you've been here. what do you think is going on? >> in the republican side right now, a lot of attention being paid in the campaigns, who is going to be in second position, third position, fourth position, who has a rationale for coming out of this state going on to south carolina. of course, for donald trump, it's a big night. he has won the new hampshire primary. if you were to be the nominee of your party, you have to win these nights. donald trump has won tonight. this was a must win race. >> we don't know that. >> donald trump is ahead, i apologize for getting out over the skis on that. donald trump in the polling, if he wins, you know, he'll have done what he needed to do, because it would have been a
very consequential loss for him and one that may well have ended his campaign. >> well, in iowa, we saw donald trump ahead for weeks, solidly. every single poll heading into iowa, and his supporters did not come out in sufficient numbers. supporters of other candidates to stay home in iowa. even though he came in a strong second. the question for him tonight is whether or not that would be a phenomenon he would drag with him into later states. >> the caucus issue where he wasn't -- >> iowa problem or problem of raw. >> the larger story is if, you know, the new hampshire primary going, let's go back to 196, se -- 1968, how the country felt about lbj, pat buchanan, the direction president bush was taking us. the new hampshire, they sent a message that the country apparently has wanted to be sent, which is we don't like the political leadership of either party.
>> yeah. >> if bernie sanders or donald trump are holding up the way, the polls show them holding up the way, the exit polls it looks like, their messages that has dominated, that's a huge story. we're going to sit here and second game, who is third. there is a bigger, this a big phenomenon happening. >> which party has the greatest amount of consternation at what is still the center, the republicans or the democrats, over that result trump/sanders. >> we don't talk about enough about the common thread. they're united by a belief that there is one set of rules for people at the top and a different set of rules for everybody else. they don't think the system is on the level. not without accident that these candidate whose are doing well in the outside are bracket, the two that are talking about the corrupting influence of money and politics. and if you look at the results ultimately tonight, we know more information. it will be interesting to see how the democratic race plays out. the degree to which this was an
ideological challenge from bernie sanders to hillary clinton from her left, but also the degree to which character and trustworthiness matter, because if hillary clinton finds herself in a contest with bernie sanders that's ideological, and bernie sanders goes on to win in new hampshire, what will happen is the electability numbers for sanders will begin to rise. democrats will start to see him as someone who may be could be the nominee. someone who could be running in a general election against the republicans. and just like it did for donald trump, he emerged over the summer, the more people think that he can win, it create ace vitreous cycle that gives lifts to the poll numbers. >> with sanders, a victory will come, all right, can you be president. it will be a different level of coverage. a different level of scrutiny. not just talking about what he did 30 years ago. more the commander in chief stuff, which he did struggle
the last break. that is there's the possibility that we don't know if this is going to happen at 8:00 straight up. that our decision desk at nbc news will call one or both parties, at least a winner in one of those races. there is quite literally a wall of separation between the decision desk and those of us who deliver the product on the air, for good reason and going back a long time. if that is the case, if we get a we're going to call new hampshire for the republicans. we're going to call new hampshire for the democrats, we're looking at where dozens are still in line to cast their vote. we're in the position of saying this is probably going to have to go through. we would hardly be the only news organization making these calls when the models and algorithms and human intelligence combine to call a state or in this case, a candidate.
that was probably too lengthy. this happens. the polls have closed where they go to the end of the line. those people haven't yet cast their ballot before there's a characterization of the race. it happens. it's unfortunate. we won't know until polls close at 8:00. >> emphasis on the fact that votes count, all of them count even though delivered at the end of a long night standing in a long line in snowy new hampshire. another break. when we come back at the top of the hour, that's the official poll closing time across the state of new hampshire.
headquarters here in new hampshire, home of the first in the nation primary, tonight. we're back with you. we are coming up on half a minute away from the 8:00 poll closing time. we have correspondents, live camera crew set up, obviously, at all headquarters tonight. this is just a glimpse of the trump headquarters where they hope they are going to be reacting to some big news and some good news this evening. all we have to go on all day
long until what happens a few seconds from now is polling, advanced polling. some exit polling tonight as people left the polls. we're five seconds away from the 8:00 hour when polls close across the state of new hampshire. we're awaiting to hear from our decision desk in the control room to see if we have news. here is first news of the evening. we are projecting when all the votes are counted, bernie sanders will win the new hampshire primary over hillary clinton. right now 51-40. you see the raw vote only amounts to 8%. the numbers will start piling up as we go on. in the republican race, donald trump is the projected winner of the new hampshire primary. the first in the nation carrying with it 23 delegates and here is how we view the race after that
with trump the projected winner, at this hour, the next four kasich, bush, rubio and cruz are vying for second place in this race. the headline, the take away at 8:01 eastern time. sanders, trump, so far in the new hampshire primary. vitally important to those who may still be in line in popular and overcrowded polling places. every vote matters. every place after the top of these tickets especially in this repetitive republican race really matters as we go on into the evening. >> just to underscore that, the democratic race bernie sanders has been called the winner. by definition hillary clinton will be coming in second in the democratic primary. on the republican side, nbc news is projecting that donald trump will win the new hampshire primary but the projections
beyond donald trump winning are fascinating. to have vying for second place that number of candidates. to have kasich, bush, rubio and cruz all vying for second is a fascinating spread right now. let us just reiterate, if you are waiting in line right,000, all polls have closed across the state of new hampshire right now. we know of onee ipolling place where people are still in line. if your polling place has been closed and you're still in line and you will get in, boy is your vote still going to count. don't let the calls pr the first place in either primary discourage you from sticking it out. >> katie reminded me, she's coming up on eight months of having careered intertwined covering donald trump. that was so interesting from the start. katie, look what you are covering there tonight.
>> it's an unbelievable thing to be at right now. this headquarters right now is erupting in cheers. they are very excited. they feel like a lot of their hard work is paying off. he was criticized a lot for his ground game here saying they didn't get it going until the very last minute. they were relying on his popularity, name recognition and able to draw the big crowds. his showmanship and to talk about policy and be a leader to be a presidential nominee. they have been proven wrong. the nay sayers have been proven wrong. now donald trump will be able to go on and say the enthusiasm does translate into votes. now that iowa loss, which really wasn't much of a loss, he got the most votes in iowa. he's going to go on with that and move onto south carolina with some serious momentum, and leading in the delegate count. that's an important thing to remember especially when you're talking about who will be able
to overtake him afterthat. he's got a strong presence down. that's where he's held his biggest rallies as well as other strong rallies. i can't think of them at the moment. we've been through quite a few especially when you go out west to phoenix and nevada. donald trump's path for the nomination does look good now. he will face some stiff competition from ted cruz in south carolina. make no mistake, donald trump is feeling good right now. his campaign is feeling vindicated and they expect to move on with a strong finish, if they can. >> the acceptance speech will go down top five in the history of the republican side vote of new hampshire. we'll come back to you. >> i'm so happy i'm seeing it in person. >> of course, absolutely. we'll come back to you for that.
kasie hunt covers bernie sanders. is there you are at a victorious election night headquarters. >> reporter: this staff were hugging each other and the crowd cheering as the results were announced for bernie sanders. there are still hundreds of people waiting outside to come in here which is why you see some gaps in the crowd behind me. like we've been talking about still some kinks in that security apparatus getting through here. this is what the sanders campaign has been expecting all night. they were careful not to blow the expect tags too far out of proportion. ahead of this, it was pretty clear going and coming out of weekend that they knew this was going to come out in their favor. the question is what next? senator sanders will be in new york tomorrow which is many ways
clinton country will be having breakfast with al sharpton. attempting to close the gap with african-american voters. he could also stop by his hometown in brooklyn and that the location of hillary clinton's lawyers. looks to use this as an opportunity to needle the clinton campaign even more that is the uphill battle for the sanders campaign. it's still in many ways has the feeling suddenly of a front-runner's campaign. pay have a small team. they'll have to expand very quickly. they do have the financial resources to do that. that's one of the unexpected things here. his grassroots fund raising, over 3.5 million individual donations. that's historic. it's the most individual donations to any presidential campaign. that's allow them to already go up on the air waves this week before super tuesday's dates. that's the states you expect,
minnesota, colorado, those caucus states where he has a potentially better shot at doing little better. at this point also working on trying to figure out just what coalition of voters they can pull together to try to take her on in broad way. they'll being looing into the dad -- looking into see if they have a broad shot. for now, a lot of celebration here. sanders, himself, i was told received a news he was likely to be the projected winner earlier tonight. of course, they'll be on their way over here shortly to give a speech. brian. >> thanks. there's no fund-raiser in politics quite like victory. we have so many people we want to talk to who have been patient watching this. steve schmidt in the studio. andrea mitchell. chris matthews.
chris, i want to hear what you think it is. one thing to talk about and perhaps donald trump winning new hampshire. it's quite another to see the full screen graphic with that little check mark next to the peacock and say how does it feel now that donald trump has won the new hampshire primary? >> i'll try to do my best. i think we americans left, right and center we're not comfortable with the word ideology. we have two winners who have ideologies. donald trump. his trade policy is immigration policy, his policy about banning muslims coming here on the short term. these policies including policy going it alone in foreign policy are nationalism. he's selling nationalism. on the other side, bernie sanders is selling democratic socialism, very strongly. it's very powerful and very compelling especially to people
in need and young people. we have made world news tonight. i expect now in the morning papers that are being put together in europe right now and around the world and japan and australia. they're saying american politics is taking a shaking move to the right this the republican party and to the left in the democratic party. it won't bother them because they're used to that. ireland will be happy to see a socialist is running. in belgium and germany they'll see a kinship here with donald trump. it's world news tonight that america has begun to process which may lead by may to the nomination of ideologs and nationalists. there he is, trump, and a self-described democratic socialist, bernie sanders. this is news, big news.
>> chris matthews, thanks. steve, what just happened in. >> you just saw the outsiders take the hill. this is a rejection of the political establishment. this wasn't supposed to happen. when donald trump entered this race he was dismissed as a clown, as a joke. his slogan, make america great again has tapped into something deep in the republican psyche. republican voters believe to their core that the country is not great anymore. that barack obama has succeeded. he's changed america. he has won and he's done it over a complicit, corrupt, republican congress. donald trump in speaking to those voters has captured -- >> it was obama goal's to make america not great and he succeeded at that? >> republican voters believe obama has succeeded. >> succeeded in what? >> changing america. >> ruining america, making it no longer great? >> he's deliberately trying to
wreck it? >> that's what these republican voters believe. where his votie motive is good r not. they believe these seven years have changed america, wrecked it. the country is on the edge. three out of the four wheels is hanging over the cliff. >> i think donald trump is saying that george w. bush also ruined the country. he's talking about the iraq war and the other things that happened that proceeded barack obama. he's got an anti- >> he's got a -- >> it's not an anti-obama message the way say that marco rubio has an anti-obama message. >> these voters believe, to their core, he's captured the imagination. >> because of both parties. >> people in washington scratch their heads trying to figure out
what was the power of trump eets message. the power make america great again, the three parts of it, we were once a great country. we're not anymore. we're at our last hour to be one again. it's captured the imagination of millions of republican voters. this nationalism that chris is talking about is spot on. donald trump is an american nationalist. ted cruz is a conventional, i ideologica conservative. >> andrea mitchell. >> it's completely splintered. bernie sanders taken on the establishment. hillary clinton still has their endorsemented. he out raised her in january.
clinton team anticipated this with the three-page memo. >> is this normal? is this a normal thing that campaigns do? >> this is pretty shocking. there's a three-page memo, defensively explaining how they can come back and win the nomination in march with the delegate rich first 15 days in march. 1875 delegates. >> show the nice people at home. >> this is all prepared for release. we've had this for about a half hour. it was release at 8:00 p.m. >> embargo until 8:00. they send it out ahead of time. >> they knew they were going to lose. >> here is how to cover this tonight and write your stories for tomorrow. >> we're going to go get african-american voters and hispanic voters in the states in the first 15 days in march. we're going to win in south carolina and win in nvr nv. we're going the out perform him with the democratic base. the problem is that, bernie sanders is also aggressively going to harlem in the morning,
announcing endorsements. she is announcing endorsements from african-american mothers in favor of gun reform. it sounds
like an ad-hoc group but it does include eric garner's mother. >> not only it exists and we got this and you're absolutely right. three pages of defensive explanation for why they still think they've got a shot at the nomination, amazing sent out ahead of the poll closing. they knew it would be a poll closing call. i think they are down playing their chances in nevada and south carolina. after splitting the first two contests an out come we have anticipated, attention will focus on the next two states, n nevada and south carolina. we felt good about our prospects. it's important to know why we invest so much time, order and resources with primaries and caucuses in march. the whole rest of that first page is all about march. >> you know why? >> they want that shorthand.
>> they're going to be challenged by bernie sanders. it's a caucus state in nevada. >> it was difficult between bernie and barack obama and hillary clinton. >> in south carolina the ahead of the party who is a protege. sdm he's an impressive guy. >> he told me there's a better bernie sanders organization than they had ever anticipated when we were down there for our debate. >> when we told me, tfrs earlier in the year as he said that boy bernie is trying hard. boy bernie is making good hires. they made good staffing decisions. he's got no shot. african-american voters don't object to him. they just don't know him. if the sanders campaign has toppled that, if they have made themselves known enough in south carolina, it's not going to be a kind of race that we saw. >> 55% of the democratic
electorate is african-american. >> steve, i can remember on days like this getting a phone call from either the candidate or their right hand. i can remember short statements that try to walk the media into he here's why tonight's okay losing territory. this is a bit unprecedented. >> if you go back to 2008, of course the democratic contest became this long march, the counting of the delegates until that day game where it was no longer mathematically possible. it's remarkable to see the former front-runner for the democratic nomination, hillary clinton putting out a long memo saying we'll win the long war of attrition counti inin ining deld get the nomination. bernie has performed well in these white, progressive states. we saw in the democratic party,
a party that has such diversity. we see an all white crowd, standing on those risers. this will be the late state in the democratic contest where that's the case. as this race goes south, the great political question that hangs in the air, can bernie sanders, the 74-year-old socialist from vermont, can he appeal to african-american voters. can he compete in states where 65% of the democratic voting age population and the turn out mix will be african-american? if he can, hillary clinton will have a big fight for the democratic nomination. >> the clinton campaign has been telegraphing this message before this memo tonight. >> in the interview with you. >> in the interview with me, hillary clinton said they will be taking stock of their campaign rejecting the reporting from politico.com yesterday that there's going to be a campaign
shake up. she rejected that but said they will be taking stock. it was eight years ago tomorrow, it was february 10th, 2008 when the hillary clinton campaign in 2008 threw out their campaign manager and hired a new one. that was after new hampshire. it was this day eight years ago. that's history of these things in the clinton campaign. >> can we go back to the live pictures in the two victorious ballrooms here in new hampshire tonight. that is not indict ticative of crowd overall but a pan down front. >> the dancing is probably indicative of the mood. >> there's kasich headquarters. our call of this race is just
the first place finishers. sanders on the democratic side is easier to figure out. the republican side, you've got a very competitive two through five race underneath donald trump. >> jeb bush, john kasich, ted cruz all vying for second place. donald trump projected to win this race but kasich, bush, cruz and rubio all vying for second. that list does not include chris christie. as you see there with 9% of the vote in, he's hanging tight to that bunched group. chris christie's fate may rest on the he makes it into that top. >> after closing of the polls as we go to our first break, we have a headline. that is these two projected victors. sanders and trump here in the
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we are back still within the first hour of the closing of all the polls here in new hampshire. there's your projected winner on the democratic side. bernie sanders of the neighboring state of vermont projected to win the new hampshire primary. donald trump, new york businessman, expected to be the winner when all the votes are counted of the new hampshire primary tonight. it's the rest of the republican card that's gathering so much of the guess work and attention. has there indeed been a late surge by john kasich who was a
veteran of the 106 town hall meetings across this state. this is the hour of the evening when the mote data is coming in. we have exit poll information about this sanders victory. key group of voters supporting him included 85% of the millenials. 72% of the independent voting. two-thirds of gun owners and those who say they are very liberal. just an incredible, incredible collection of different data points for bernie sanders. >> the bernie sanders-hillary clinton split is more like a squiggle. they try to make this fight over who was a progressive and who
wasn't. you see the gun owner number being right next to the very liberal number. it's hard to parse the different type of electorates that they appeal to. they have that fight over what it means to be a progressive and who has the right to be called a progressive. for sanders to be winning and gun owners, i don't know if they will keep having that fight. >> that was almost spat out when it was mentioned. >> a night that bernie sanders and donald trump are the two winners. the idea of the establishment could be safely thrown away and dug back up to see if it's still ticking. >> andrea mitchell, you have something? >> just the fact that bernie sanders is winning the women's vote. i don't mean the young women's vote. he's winning the women's vote. >> he's actually winning more
women voters than clinton. >> according to our decision desk, the exit poll shows he's winning the women's vote 53-46. >> that could be a sign of a shift in the gender dynamics or the sound of a sanders land slide. we'll have to wait until we get more data. chris, in terms of how we are learning how bernie sanders put together this victory, it's starting feel like even though we expected bernie sanders to win, we might have expected him to win this way with this particular coalition. >> here we go. i guess we're going to me. let me go to john. if you had explained what happened tonight, clearly we
have two winners. sanders and trump. someone hasn't been around for say three or four months, not ten years, how would you explain sanders? >> the democratic party is unhappy with the status quo. they have found a messenger, if you were in a european democracy, would fit right in. there's a guy who is speaking for the aspirations of people who distrust power. who think they are getting the short trip in the economy and want fundamental change. hillary not convincing people she can bring it back. >> would you call it a shift? >> it's shifting to the left. they also want something new and different. it's challenge for hillary clinton to be that person. she tried to compete with sanders to say i'm a change maker. this electorate, particularly the younger people, 85% stands
out, they don't buy that she can bring the kind of change they want. >> hillary clinton is a huge name in the world. everybody knows who she is. she still needs tleads the nati polls or close. i'll get to where bernie is going but a little slower. reminds you of a guy driving ahead of you in traffic that won't go the speed limit. why does that work as a compelling argument? i'll be almost as good as him but not now. >> i can get these things done. she tries to make the argument. what will she get done? she won't get rid of student debt. >> she's give you preserving the affordable care act and locking in the gains of the obama era. that's her argument.
he does not speak of his biography, his experience, his political history. he doesn't talk about things he's gotten done. he talks about an argument. he argues about big money and politics. >> so far it has. i'll tell you what else he has. he has authenticity. he's been saying these things his whole life. he believes them. he means them. it's 100% consistent. >> people have been talking to chuck todd about getting more scrutiny. every time you pick up paper literature on the back page, it says who is the guy you're married to.
>> he's going to fill that out. i think he will start tomorrow. his story is compelling. his personality can be rough. his story is compelling. he's going to raise a lot of money. it's not clear which electorate will bother. >> chris matthews, thanks. steve, i've said this before. the one industry that's taking a huge hit with tonight's result is punditry. every sound bite for hire, every professional opinionist is being kauld call eed on the carpet. no one, no one, a year ago saw this. >> we're living in a time of
collapse of trust. when you live in a country where trust is collapsed to the degree with which it has in the united states, you get a result with bernie sanders and donald trump winning respectively for their parties the new hampshire primary. we shouldn't underestimate the impact that honest and trustworthy character had in the democratic primary in this race. when you look at the exit polls, for the voters who thought it was an issue, bernie sanders has won overwhelmingly. i think that both parties look at the honest and trustworthy issue and the liabilities it brings to secretary clinton in different ways. for republicans, i think the republican brand says e-mails. the democratic brain says the wall street speeches. i think the wall street speeches she gave in the period between her candidacy and departure from
the secretary of state's office has had a devastating impact for her with this democratic electorate and will be a major issue going forward. it's not just an issue that's about the money and the transactional nature of american politics. this has been a character issue now. today, as people were voting, the demands are starting to grow now for her to release the transcripts of speeches made to goldman sachs and other financial institutions and look for this to be a huge issue playing out over the course of the democratic primary. these establishment candidates, the candidates who have been rooted in american power in washington, d.c. are being rejected by the electorate. when you total up the numbers on the republican side between donald trump and ted cruz and outsider candidates against the establishment candidates, it's a majority increasingly on the democratic side. >> sit a little weird. i don't think you can characterize that as the mood in
the country because the mood in the country wouldn't pick the vermont socialist senator and the new york billionaire real estate developer. do you know what i'm saying? there is something different going on this the republican party and the democratic party. obviously, you're right there's a rejection of the political leadership of the political establishment but it's a rejection of a couple different kinds. when we see two-thirds of republican primary voters coming out saying they believe we should have a ban on muslims, immigrated to this country or visiting this country, two-thirds, 66%, that's something different than what's driving the interest in bernie sanders. it just is. >> i'm being told we have to go to a break. it would have been so interesting. >> we'll do that when we come back. >> we have to go to a break. it's germane. >> i'm ready.
winner on the democratic side. on the republican side, this is where the race is. donald trump at the top of the hour was the projected winner. it's everything from there. it's kasich. it's bush. it's cruz. it's rubio. it's christie. that's the interesting race. still moving pieces. the dividing line from double into single digits from this man who placed at all. let's go to katie. she's at the victorious headquarters. any guidance or indication when we might hear from the winner of the new hampshire primary. >> we're told donald trump will
be coming out around 9-ish. this room is excited an electric. it's the exact opposite from what we saw in iowa even up until the polls closing or the caucuses coming into an end. the volunteers didn't have a lot of faith that donald trump was going to win. a crushing blow out there. not the case here. this is an important night for trump's campaign manager who is a new hampshire native. someone who was very good at rustling up anger geding things do -- and getting things done. a loss would have been devastating for him. he proved all the naysayers wrong. the trump campaign did it their way. they had their big rallies and flashy stumps. they had folks come to them.
he went to visit maybe two or three diners. it's so uncommon and so non-traditional for this state where they want to have you sit down on their couch and talk to you about their grand kids. he would go into a diner and breeze through and have folks take selfies with him. not a lot of one-on-one talking to voters. he was able to do it his way. it's huge for him. it's true they can turn their enthusiasm into votes. >> we'll be going back to you when we have any real sign of the candidate. >> that issue about turning enthusiasm into votes is what did not happen to donald trump in iowa. we have information about how he
did this. >> we can break down some of the numbers. the key thing to keep this mind is what we're see ng the numbers. this is an across the board victory. usually in these primaries it's pretty clear demographic divides that pop up. among very conservative republican voters, trump in first place. among voters who call themselves moderate, trump in first place, 30%. you see movement in second and third place. you see different candidates moving in in these different groups. that's the kind of fluctuation you see in these races but trump steady across the board winning every one of these groups. is there a divide between those who are hard core republicans and those who are independents who just showed up and said i'll take the republican vow. the answer is 32% of republicans say they voted for trump. 32% of independents say they voted for trump.
across the board. there is one divide we were able to see in the demographic. it's an education divide. those voters who have less than a high school diploma. a run away victory for trump there. he did well with voters who have more than a high school diploma. he won them. it was much closer. also note kasich moves up here. he didn't register many the last one. we'll see what the ruls show. this is really fascinating. >> it does tell you that trump did not win in a close race tonight. if he's winning every single one of those groups that means this will be a big win. >> we've done the csi on both.
the data will only getter as the night goes on. kasie, what's the guidance or sightings of the candidates there? >> with did have a brief sighting of the candidate. he's backstage behind me. we're in a high school gym. there's another gym behind here. he's shooting a few hoops with his seven grand kids, two sons. his phone was ringing off the hook. he had to stop to take a phone call. the sanders phone call feeling very good. not just about the fact it's a victory here but the margin of victory is where they wanted it to be. they feel pretty strongly that they can take this into a coalition building type of exercise across the map. that's going to be the main challenge for sanders now. they'll be going up this week and turning their focus to
nevada, a caucus state where they feel like they have a better chance of a strong performance than they might say in south carolina. >> sanders calls that nevader. >> i will tell you, if you get me a picture, if you can get me a picture of bernie sanders playing basketball, i'll pay you $5 and a six pack of beer. >> i apologize. you guys cut out of my ear for a second. i apologize that i disappeared. we have pictures. there's video. we promise we'll show you as soon as we can. he did three or four baskets in our presence. then he missed one. >> very nice. >> shooting hoops. kristen welker is at clinton
headquarters. a decidedly different mood there. not the victory was ever realistically within reach but kristen these kind of deconstructions of the cross tabs this the polling, the exit polling, what she lost by, why she lost it's going to get tough for this campaign to fight back. >> it's going to get tough. they're going to have to take a hard look at what went wrong here particularly when you look at the cross tabs for women voters and the younger voters. we are told secretary clinton has left her hotel. the campaign already starting to do counter programming. the campaign manager releasing a memo mapping out the path forward. they were larger and diverse and benefit secretary clinton are making a strong much for
african-americans. >> they just announced she will be joined on the campaign trail by african-american mother who is lost their son. they are trying to turn the page. there's no doubt that senator sanders has the momentum right now only because of this big win but her very narrow loss in iowa. this is when bill clinton declared himself the comeback kid. a very different mood here tonight. that's changed for them. >> all right. clinton headquarters. eugene robinson is here with us. >> also want to bring in chris
hayes. we haven't heard from tonight. reacting to this news tonight from the top line here is more important than anything. bernie sanders with the win. donald trump with the win. what's your top line reaction, chris? >> i think there's two big things. we really have seen a kind of collapse. it's a socialology phenomenon. the things people trust, believe in, the fairness of the game is doubted by large majorities of americans. a lot has to do with stagnating wages in the middle. you see that play out in different ways in trump's closing message and bernie sanders message from the beginning. the other thing i just can't get over is the way that the trump campaign has altered the terrain of this race. you have two-thirds of
republican ri mare voprimary vo say they favor a ban on muslims into the u.s. that's a policy being decried as flirtation with facism and massively extreme. here it's now the favored position of the majority of voters in new hampshire. >> thank you. if you're a muslim-american and from a family of immigrants, a mexican-american, as 30 million americans are, the win by donald trump may be chilling. this will be international news tonight. he's a big outside personality and political novice on track to get the republican nomination. this will be seen worldwide as nativism in american public politics that's confined to the pat back to you cuchanan fringe.
>> it's familiar to voters who have gone through this, not here. i have run into a lot of latinos who are very motivated and upset at trump's surge. that might be a motivated class of traditionally democratic voters in the fall. >> in nevada. >> and in nevada. >> you talk about the ideological spectrum. he doesn't talk about cutting entitlements and getting rid of debt and the kind of classic republican issues. he's not anywhere that makes sense on the sort of two dimensional liberal conservative line in the republican party or moderate conservative line. he's a different dimension.
>> let's not make the mistake that the state of new hampshire has validated trumpism. he will get fewer votes than bernie sanders. bernie sanders will get a good clean win. donald trump will come this first place by getting one-third of the vote on the republican side of this. the fascinating thing about that exit poll saying that two-thirds of the republican voters agree with donald trump on banning muslims, two-thirds voted against donald trump. they may share his opinion but are also opposed to his candidacy. the other thing we should know about the donald trump vote that's been revealed in previous polls, it might not be a question in tonight's exit poll, do you believe barack obama is a muslim? do you believe barack obama is a citizen of the united states? previous polls have indicated that 66% of donald trump supporters believe barack obama is muslim. 60% believe barack obama is not a citizen of the united states
and not a legitimate president. >> the controversy, the birther controversy, chris matthews has called donald trump's original sin, which comes up often when they have a conversation. another break for us. 8:51 eastern time. we are waiting and we'll come back for the first of the acceptance speeches from either trump or sanders headquarters.
welcome back. at this point in the evening it becomes about logistics and some strategy and some kind of time warned political rules. that is who gets to go out first. who by right should go out first. do you try to go out if you have a message? if you're hillary clinton who conceded via telephone to bernie sanders. do you go out first and capture the air waves and presumably the victor would wait for you to finish. all's fair in love and war. we saw in the iowa situation not everyone waited for everyone. there were competing speeches at some point. there have been. we're looking at both headquarters. the story of the hour remains. we're projecting sanders and trump the winners. >> we're awaiting the speeches tonight. we're also sort of keeping an eye on what the headquarters look like. you saw the hillary clinton campaign headquarters there
looks more festive than a second place finisher in a two-way race. obviously, they've got their enthusiasm that they have got on display tonight. you're hearing it from the campaign. let's go to jacob who have been watching the campaigns who have been voting in durham, new hampshire. jacob, what's the reaction with the crowd. they seem to be very pro-bernie sanders when you asked them. >> some of the folks i met on the shuttle bus invited me here. a lot of bernie sanders supporters here. how do you feel about the projected victory? >> i'm so happy. he's so worthy of it. >> anybody else here a bernie fa fan? >> i would be so happy.
he deserves it. >> any donald trump fans? a bit quiet in here for the donald trump fan club. back to you guys in manchester. >> can we just clarify you're at a college party and there's no beverages of any kind? >> say that again. >> we're just confirming the visual. the visual of where you are indicates there are no beverages at this party, is that correct? >> i got to go to the source right here. this rich who runs the operation here. rachel maddow wants to know where are the beverages at this party. >> there are none. >> you heard from rich. >> i just wanted to confirm that. thank you. >> bummer for them. great for rich. >> an unusual college. an unusual environment. >> gentlemen, welcome back. lawrence o' donnell. i keep wanting to hear the, so
what have we learned, from you. >> on the democratic side, the clinton campaign is at a cross roads they've been at before. this situation developed before within the last week there's a first poll come out that shows a thashl t national tie. eight years ago, that cross roads came a little earlier in the campaign cycle. the track was exactly the same. hillary clinton started way ahead. she sloped down while barack obama sloped up. one thing that has never happened, never happened as a result of the hillary clinton campaign is her poll numbers going up. they've never gone up. what she started out in her first poll in new york running for senate is where she fini finished. didn't go up a point. her re-election started at 67,
ended at 67. nothing she did made it go up. nothing she did in her 2008 campaign made her number go up. they know that. they've tracked the numbers. hillary clinton campaign has never increased her share of voters. you've seen donald trump campaign and increase the share of voters. you've seen bernie sanders da m dramatically increase the number of voters. they know their candidate has never before made numbers go up. this is a very, very difficult night for them. they have real concerns going down the line. >> we're 40 seconds away from the top of another hour. in both of those clinton races, late in the same you saw an exhausted former president bill clinton getting angry and or losing his temper at a live event kind of in disbelief like we're losing to him. >> it was totally
counterproductive in 2008 and remains to be seen how his intervention will play going forward in the sanders-clinton camp. bernie sanders is not barack obama. it's easy to get carried away with history repeating itself or riming or whatever. i think with the clinton campaign should be thinking about is how not to create a self-fulfilling prophesy that doesn't have to be. if they react in the exact same way they reacted to obama's surge, as they kind of seen to have done thus far with bill clinton getting angry and putting out the memo saying this doesn't matter. >> the possibility of staff changes. >> all that we heard about this is -- he's from the next door state. this one kind of doesn't count. none of that worked. all that was tried but none of
it worked. >> is it clear in hindsight what she should have done. >> i don't think she had a chance of beating barack obama. >> nobody would say she had no chance of beating bernie sanders from day one in this campaign. >> tho. >> how do you apply those lessons. >> no one could saber knee sanders had a chance of beating hillary clinton. no one predicted. >> that's what i'm saying. from the beginning it wasn't baked in that bernie sanders was going to win. he's been the surprise here. now that's he's tighter in iowa and has beaten her in new hampshire. we may know how she shouldn't try to change the trajectory in her campaign because it didn't work in '08. >> the producer types, friends of ours in the control room have asked me to say it's 9:01 and 45
seconds and we kind of missed our chance of welcoming everyone at 9:00 straight up, the traditional beginning of any hour. you see both headquarters there waiting for hillary clinton, waiting for donald trump. they were all just on television. the crowd captains, not unlike a convention, have done a good job keeping excitement up. this is a bit of necessary political drudgery for hillary clinton. campaigns live or die based on how you behave in this moment. the clinton campaign has given the world and new hampshire voters some interesting visuals, some interesting messages. madeline albright appearing as a character witness, a friend of
the court even she's said something she has said before at a hillary rally. this time her quote that she believes there's a special place in hell for women who don't help other women. this cycle in 2016, it blew back. >> it blew back. it is a signature line. it's such a signature line i believe it's printed on coffee cups with her name under it at a certain coffee chain. in this race, when the sanders campaign and the clinton campaign have spent so much time complaining about the character of the campaign that each of them is running against each other, i will say the amount of whining about the other, the way the other side is running has been tedious in the race. a comment like that which would normally either be cheered or
chuckled at. >> what's fascinating about the whining is it's hard to find two campaigns who have run more decently and fairly against each other. they actually play a pretty clean game. >> ted cruz is holding a funeral for ben carson the night of the iowa caucuses and bernie and hillary are complaining about what adjectives they are using in their press release. >> the republican race is mad max thunderdome. it's crazy. the clinton and sanders campaigns are parsing every word for just chilling for it. >> i'm pleading our case in part because we get a lot of this stuff. it's not a sign of strength given how incredibly sharp the elbows are on the republican side. one of those people will be the
republican nominee. it's not a sign of strength for either the sanders or clinton campaign to be complaining about tactics. wait until you up against whoever the republican nominee is. if you bleed that easily, it's going to be done in a day. >> one among us wrote speeches for a living. chris matthews, the question is, if you were tasked with writing this, what would come out of your word processor/laptop? what would you have her say? >> i think the words you have been mentioning which is authenticity. there's a real hillary clinton. that a person who grew up with the children's defense fund and cared about social issues, economic issues affecting poor people and always committed to
economic ine callty. that's been her career. i think she has to speak from her heart about why she's here, why she's competing. the problem is debate between her and barry sanders is she's been entirely on defense. she defends herself on the $600,000 in speaking fees. she defends herself for not being further progressive, not advanced enough as bernie is. it's always been defensive. i think she has to come out and show her heart. it always works because it's real. motive, passion and spontaneity. she's had none of those elements in the campaign so far. she has the chance to show them. people really do trust politicians when they give concession seemp concession speeches. >> we have number two position on the republican side.
an example that sometimes slow and steady can win the race. we are projecting that the first two in order for the gop will go trump, kasich. the ohio governor. a man who made 106 town hall appearances in this state who put it all on this state. the governor of ohio former long time member of congress from ohio and the man who proved in the last debate and in many other appearances that it was okay to be nice and sunny and bright and positive. keep your sword in the sheathe and not go on the attack. we talked about this late in the game. >> stunning. >> it was not picked up in polling because so little polling came out post-saturday night debate. there's john kasich.
talk about getting a rocket out of new hampshire. >> this may be the start of the march of donald trump to the nomination but sometimes the person who comes in new hampshire is the headline maker. that happened with bill clinton in 1992. it's happened in a couple of other instances. john kasich, what's phenomenal, is he's a new hampshire type candidate. he's the type of person who new hampshire tends to vote for especially in republican prim y primari primaries. >> experienced. >> talks about things as an experienced person in government talks about what it takes to get stuff done and talks about being a moderate and what it means to get deals done. he's a new hampshire type candidate. he ran in a new hampshire type way. because of that and he was
following the formula, means he had company. there were other candidates who did that type of work. chris christie far most among them. he did a ton of events. it isn't working for chris christie. it didn't work for chris christie. i worked for john kasich. i didn't understand why that was happening until i came up here and i saw back to back john kasich and chris christie town halls. on kasich is better with people. chris christie was performing. he's a performative person doing little speeches and riffs and not engaging people. john kasich was listening to people and having conversations. he's not a sunny person but he's having a sunny message.
>> we would walk into a diner and not see the need to shake everyone's hand. he was disgusted with the tenor and tone of the gop race around him. tamron, what's it like there? >> you talk about town halls, 106 town halls is the focus. that was the accomplishment. a lot of these theme were at some of those town halls. that's what won them over, seeing the governor up close and personal. 27 states. they say they recruited people from 27 different states to come here and knock oven, over the weekend, some 10,000 doors. you hear it now again in second
place. second place is a victory very similar to what we saw with marco rubio in iowa. they can go onto south carolina and pick up the ground game. they carved the way with this positive message. he keeps the high ground. for those supporters and a lot of the date deciders in new hampshire, that's the message they wanted. they hope to turn it into a full burn. >> tamron hall at kasich headquarters which will be quite a buoyant move. if you've got to come in second against a well financed kind of sudden surge out of nowhere
candidate, john kasich has done it tonight. chuck, my friend show in new jersey says he's always been the only grown up in the race. >> that's what you wondered would happen. he didn't gain because of the attack. >> he brutalized rubio. he took him out. one of the grown ups won. kasich has been the grown up. it will be interesting to see if kasich can continue to run this. he stay eed above the fray. it will be more super pac money than campaign money. >> it's been easy to forget that. he does a super pac.
>> what's going to happen here. are they going to continue to shoot at each other. >> take 15 seconds because you can see where we're going. >> i just say that kasich has that optimism of jack kemp and ronald reagan. it's a good combo for new hampshire. >> eight of our presidents have come from ohio. here's hillary clinton. her husband the former president, her daughter off to your side camera right. let's listen in. >> thank you very, very much. my goodness. i don't know what we have done tonight if we actually won. this is a pretty exciting event. i'm very grateful to all of you. i want to congratulate bernie sanders on his victory tonight.
i want to thank each and every one of you. i want to say i still love new hampshire and i always will. here's what i'm going to do. now we take this campaign to the entire country. we're going to fight for every vote in every state. we're going to fight for real solutions that make a real difference in people's lives. when i started this campaign last spring, i knew we were facing profound challenges as a country. the way too many things were going just wasn't right. it isn't right. the kids i met in flint on sunday were poisoned because their governor wanted to save money. it isn't right for a grandmother here in new hampshire or anywhere else to have to choose between paying rent and buying medicine because a prescription drug company increased the price
4,000% overnight. it isn't right that a cashier i met here in new hampshire, son's is paid less for than her son even show she's been on the job for years. people have every right to be angry. they're always hungry. they're hundred ri f they're hungry for solutions. what are we going to do? that is the fight we're taking. who is the best change maker? here's what i promise. here's what i promise. i will work harder than anyone to actually make the changes that make your lives better. in this campaign, you've heard a lot about washington and about
wall street. senator sanders and i both want to get secret, unaccountable money out of politics. let's remember, let's remember citizens united, one of the worst supreme court decisions in our country's history was actually case about a right wing attack on me and my campaign. a right wing organization took aim at me and ended up damaging our entire democracy. so, yes, you're not going to find anybody more committed to aggressive campaign finance reform than me. we also agree that wall street can never be allowed to once again threaten main street. i will fight to reign in wall street. you know what, i know how to do
it. when i tell you, no bank can be too big to fail and no executive too powerful to jail, you can count on it. now the real difference is this race are truly over how do we create a future for prosperity, opportunity and security for all of us. we need to build a growth and fairness economy. including a bold, national commission to create millions of jobs in clean energy, manufacturing and infrastructure. we need to unleash again the innovation of our entrepreneurs in small businesses, make it easier for parents to balance work and family. close the loopholes in our tax code, crack down on corporations, stop other
countries from taking advantage of us with unfair trade practices. even all that is not enough. we also have to breakthrough the barriers of bigotry. african-american parents shouldn't have to worry that their children will be harassed, humiliated, even shot because of the color of their skin. immigrant families shouldn't have to lie awake at night listening for a knock on the door. lgbt americans shouldn't be fired from their jobs because of who they are or who they love. let's finally deliver something long overdue, equal pay for women in this economy. so, here's how i see it. a president has to do all parts of the job for all americans to
make sure nothing holds you back, not debt, not discrimination, not a deck that's always stacked for those at the top. we need to break down those barriers and build ladders of opportunity for every person. that's how we will build a better tomorrow together. that has been the cause and work of my life. my family and my faith taught me a simple credo. do all the good you can, in all the ways you can for all the people you can. that's what called me to a life of service just like millions of teachers and nurses and police officers and firefighters and members of our armed services who get up every day and do the quiet work, the heroic work for all the rest of us. when children anywhere in our country go to bed hungry or denied a quality education or
face abuse and abandonment, that diminishes all of us. that's whooi i did start my career at the children's defense fund. that's why i went undercover in alabama to expose racism in schools and worked to reform juvenile justice in south carolina, and that is why i went to flint, michigan on sunday. when people anywhere in america are held back by injustice, that demands action. that is why i believe so strongly that we have to keep up with every fiber of our being. the argument for the campaign for human rights, human rights as women rights, human rights as gay rights, human rights as worker rights, human rights as voting rights, human rights across the board for every
single american. that is who i am. that is what i've always done. that's why i'm in this race. i know i have some work to do particularly with young people but i will repeat again what i have said this week. even if they are not supporting me now, i support them because i know i've had a blessed life, but i also know what it's like to stumble and fall. so many people across america know that feeling. we've learned it's not whether you get knocked down that matters, it's whether you get back up. to my friends, please join me in building on the progress we've made under president obama pushing forward every single day
for as long as it takes to break down those barriers that hold us back. we've got to believe in the basic proposition of our country when all americans have the chance to succeed. when each of us has the opportunity to live up to our own god given potential. then and only then can america live up to its potential as well. let me thank all of you. i'm very grateful to my wonderful family knowing they are by my side. it keeps me going every day. to the thousands of volunteers and organizers who called neighbors and knocked on doors in the new hampshire snow. to every one who went to hillary clinton.com to give what you could. more than 700,000 people have contributed to this campaign.
the vast majority giving less than $100. i know that doesn't fit with the narrative. i know there are those who want to deny the passion and the purpose you all show every day for this campaign you are the reason we are here, and you are the reason we're going to win the nomination, and win this election together. thank you all. thank you so very much. >> with her husband, the former president giving her a kiss. her daughter on stage as well. expecting her second child. the traveling clinton campaign rolls on. just in a very just the facts way finishing second in a two candidate race. not the outcome they would have hoped but not a surprise either. we were in the middle of interrupting andrea mitchell when speech started. andrea. >> she was trying to narrow the
gap to single digits. they just could not go up against it. she lost key constituencies to bernie sanders whom she won against barack obama. it's a complete switch. >> she won new hampshire in 2008. the independent voters. >> independent voters. she lost independent voters by 41 points. she beat obama with independents by six points. it's an incredible switch here. >> i will say this speech tonight, it was among the most excited non-victory speeches i've seen from a presidential candidate. everybody in the room looked thrilled with the exception of former president bill clinton who did not look thrilled at all. you would think if you were watching it with the sound off that she had just won.
some of that can be engineered. the clinton campaign optics right now are that this is not the end. this is the beginning of something where they expect to do much better. i think it's very interesting we saw in their memo time to the poll closing at 8:00, that they are looking not just ahead but looking beyond south carolina and nevada to the march primaries. >> here is the democratic winner of the new hampshire primary. time to come out after hillary clinton gave her speech. we will now hear from bernie sanders.
hampshire. let me take this opportunity to thank the many, many thousands of voluntaries here in the granite state who work so tirelessly. our volunteers work night and day, made phone calls and locked on a heck of a lot of doors. we won because of your energy. thank you all so much. i want to thank julia barnes and our great campaign staff. together we have sent the
message that we'll echo from wall street to washington from maine to california. that is that the government of our great country belongs to all of the people and not just a handful of wealthy campaign contributors and their super pacs. nine months ago we began our campaign here in new hampshire. we had no campaign organization. we had no money. we were taking on the most po r powerful political organization in the united states of america.
enthusiastic and aroused electorate of people who came out in large number, that is what will happen all over this country. let us never forget democrats and progressives win when voter turn out is high. republicans win when people are demoralized and voter turn out is low. tonight, we serve notice to the political and economic establishment of this country that the american will not continue to accept a corrupt campaign finance system that is undermining american democracy
and we will not accept a rigged economy in which ordinary americans work longer hours for lower wages while almost all new income and wealth go to the top 1%. i want to take this opportunity again to congratulate secretary clinton and her organization and supporters for waging a vigorous campaign. i hope in the days ahead we can continue to wage a strong issue oriented campaign and bring new people into the political process. i also hope that we all remember
and that is a message not just to our opponents but to those who support me as well that we will need to come together in a few months and unite this party and this nation because the right wing republicans we oppose must not be allowed to gain the presidency. as we all remember, the last time republicans occupied the white house, they trickle down economic policies drove us into the worst economic downturn since the depression of the 1930s. no, we will not allow huge tax breaks for billionaires.
we will not allow pack huge cuts to social security, medicare, medicaid and education. no, we will not allow back into the white house a political party that's so beholden to the fossil fuel industry that they cannot even acknowledge the scientific reality of climate change. the people of new hampshire have sent a profound message to the political establishment, to the economic establish m and by the way to the media establishment.e
way to the media establishment. the way to the media establishment.n m and by the way to the media establishment.t m and by the way to the media establishment.m and by the way to the media establishment. and by the way to the media establishment. what the people here have said is that given the enormous crises facing our country, it's just too late for the same old, same old establishment politics and establishment economics. the people want real change. what the american people have saying, and by the way, i hear this not just from progressives but from conservatives and from
moderates is that we can no longer continue to have a campaign finance system in which wall street and the billionaire class are able to buy elections. americans no matter what they're political view may be, understand that that is not what the democracy is about. we will not allow that to continue. i do not have a super pac, and i do not want a super pac.
i am overwhelmed. our campaigns financial support comes from more than one million americans who have made more than 3.7 million individual contributions. that is more individual contributions p than any candidate in the history of the united states up until this point in an election. do you know what that average contribution was, $27.
i am going new york city tonight and tomorrow, but i'm not going to new york city to hold a fund-raiser on wall street. instead, i'm going to hold a fund-raiser right here, right now across america. my request is please go to bernie sanders.com and contribute. p please help us raise the funds we need whether it's ten bucks
or 50 bucks to take the fight to nevada, south carolina and the states on super tuesday. there it is. pretty quick. what the american people understand is that our great country is based on a simple principle. that principle is fairness. let me be very clear. it is not fair when we have more income and wealth inequality today than almost any major country on earth and when the top one-tenth of 1% now almost owns as much wealth as the
bottom 90%, that's not fair. it is not fair when the 20 wealthiest people in this country now own more wealth than the bottom half of the american people. you guys ready for a radical idea? ls tokt, we are going to create an economy that works for all of us, not just the 1%. when millions of our people are working for starvation wages, we're going to raise the minimum wage to 15 bucks an hour.
we are going to bring pay equity for women. when we need the best educated work force in the world, yes, we are going to make public colleges and universities tuition free. for the millions of americans struggling with horrendous levels of student debt, we are going to substantially ease that burden. the america people should not be financially distressed for decades for crime of trying to get a higher education. that's absurds.
my critics say how are you going to pay for it? i will tell you how we're going to pay for it. we're going to impose a tax on wall street speculation. the greed, the recklessness and the illegal behavior of wall street drove our economy to its knees. the american people bailed out wall street. now it's wall street's time to help the middle class. when we talk about transforming america, it means ending disgrace of this country having more people in jail than any
other country in the world disproportionately african-american and latino. not only are we going to fight to end institutional racism and a broken criminal justice sys m system. we are going to provide jobs and education for our young people not jails and incarceration. let me say that as a member of the energy committee in the senate and the environmental econo committee, the debate is over. climate change is real. it is caused by human activity and it's already causing
devastating problems in this country and around the world. we have a moral responsibility to work with country's throughout the world. to transform our energy system away from fossil fuel to energy efficiency and sustainable energy. i have been criticized during this campaign for many, many things. every single day, that's okay. that's all right. they're throwing everything at me except the kitchen sink, and i have the feeling that kitchen sink is coming pretty soon as well.
our campaign is about thinking big not small. it's about having the courage to reject the status quo. guarantees health care to all their people. we should be doing the same in our great country. in my view under president obama's leadership, the affordable care act has been an important step forward. no question about it. we can and must do better. 29 million americans should not remain uninsured and even
greater number should not be under insured with large deductibles and copayments. we should not be paying by far the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs at a time. listen to this. when the top three drug companies in this country make $45 billion in profit last year. that is an obscenity. when we make it to the white house -- [ cheers and applause ] when we make it to the white house the pharmaceutical industry will not continue to rip off the american people.
it makes so sense as a nation we can spend far, far more more capital than any of the people of nation to all of held care to their people. that is why i believe in a medicare for all single payer program. which will not only guarantee health care for all but will save the average middle class family thousands of dollars a year in health care costs. my friends, we all know that we live in dangerous and complex world. as president, i will defend this nation, but i will do it
responsibly. i voted against the war in iraq. that was the right vote. wile we must be relentless in combatting terrorist who is will do us harm, we cannot and should not be the policeman of the world. nor should we bear the burden of fighting terrorism alone. in the middle east, the united states must be part of an international coalition sustained by nations in the region that have the means to protect themselves. together we must and will destroy isis, but we should do it in way that does not put our
young men and women in the military into perpetual warfare in the quagmire of the middle east. my friends, we must fix the broken immigration system that divides family and creates path toward citizenship for hard working people who are living in the shadows. we must strengthen and expand social security and increase the ben amphetamines that seniors and disabled vets receive so that people can live in dignity in their retirement. we must rebuild our crumbling
infrastructure and when we do that we create millions of decent paying jobs. we must pursue the fight for women's rights, for gay rights, for disability rights. we must get stronger and stronger opposition. we must protect the men and women who serve our nation in uniform and protect our veterans who put their lives on the line to defend us.
we must have billionaire class and the 1% that they cannot have it all at a time of massive wealth and income wealt wealthiest people and largest corporations in this country will start paying their fair share of taxes. [ applause ] my friends, i am the sun of a polish immigrant who came to this country speaking no english and having no money. my father worked every day of his life and he never made a whole lot. my mom and dad and brother and i grew up in a small three and a half room rent controlled apartment in brooklyn, new york.
my mother, who died at a young age, always dreamed of moving out of that apartment, getting a home of her own, but she never realized that dream. the truth is that neither one of my parents could ever have dreamed that i would be here tonight standing before you as a candidate for president of the united states. [ applause ] this is the promise of america and this is the promise we must keep alive for future generations. what began last week in iowa, what voters here in new hampshire confirmed tonight, is nothing short of the beginning
of the a political revolution. [ applause ] it is -- it is a political revolution that will bring tens of millions of our people together, it will bring together working people who have given up on the political process, it will bring together young people who have never participated in the political process [ applause ] it will bring together blacks and whites, latinos, asian americans, native americans. [ applause ] straight and gay, male and fema female, people who were born in
america and people who imgrated here. we will all come together to say loudly and clearly that the government of our great nation belongs to all of us, not just a few wealthy campaign contributors. [ applause ] that is what this campaign is about, that is what the political revolution is about. so new hampshire, thank you again and now it's on -- [ applause ] thank you new hampshire and now it's on to nevada, south
carolina and beyond. [ applause ] bernie sanders, after a solid victory in new hampshire arousing a bit long speech. the upside he got uninterrupted prime time television exposure tonight. down side, it was read, it was probably on the long side. hillary clinton before him upside, went first, was able to control the message, down side used a tell prompter tell the need to tell her life story again. >> if i could just say here as a second as a self proclaimed liberal -- >> you can say anything you wish. >> people talk about the liberal media and they say the whole media is liberal and the whole establishment is liberal, it's not true. if you a liberal it's been a long time when main stream
politics was not about you. i look at all the young people at this event. i was 19 in 1992 when bill clinton was running on the democrat side and he got up there and gave a culture war speech where he declared a crew said against minorities and gay people and as a gay person watching in 1992 i didn't feel like bill clinton had my back. he was talking about agreeing with ronald reagan. this democratic race with hillary clinton and bernie sanders campaigning this way against each other, that happened because bernie sanders got into this race and all these kids who are enthused about this race, whether or not they're supporting bernie sanders directly are never going to feel like main stream politics is not about them. >> because so much of life is about timing, let's go to trump
head headquarters and his acceptance speech. we are going to make america great again. so i want to thank everybody, but i really to have begin by paying contributribute to my pa. they're looking down and saying this is something very special. they love this country and they're very happy right now so thank you to my parents. i want to thank my sister, really great sister. another great sister elizabeth. my fantastic brother robert who is watching right now with ann
mary and i want to thank my late brother fred. i learned so much from fred, taught me more than just about any of you. just probably about even with my father, a fantastic guy. so i want to thank fred. he's up there and he's looking down also. and we can go right down the line, but we have to start with my wife and what she puts up with. she said right from the beginning, you know if you run you know you're going to win and she said that from day one. so thank you, honey. thank you. and don and vanessa, thank you so much. and she was put -- she made seven stops today at the polling areas. so very special and jarod is a
successful real estate. they were all out today. did corey have a ground game or what? do we have a ground game. where are you? you know we learned a lot about ground games in one week, i have to tell you that. and the entire staff, this is hope, this is hope, this is hope. nobody takes more phone calls i think in a day than hope. so thank you hope and corey, the entire group, the entire staff, incredible job. get over here. come here. this is the man
[ applause ] so again, we have to thank the candidates because they really -- we have some very talented people and to be victorious against these people, but they really are terrific, a number of them called and i just wanted to thank them, but i want to congratulate the other candidates. now that i got that over with, it's always tough and then tomorrow boom, boom. but that's the way it is and really we have some real talent in the republican party and we want to thank everybody. thank you very much.
well, i'll tell you what -- i'll tell you what, what do we really want to thank? we want to thank the people of new hampshire, right? do we love the people of new hampshire? i said it and i said it even a year ago, i said i think i'm going to do really well here because i'm here a lot because it's so beautiful and i love it so much and i love the people and i said i think they like ple a lot and then we started getting numbers in and everyone said how come they like trump so much, but i have so many friends up here and they are special, special people so new hampshire i want to thank you. we love you. we're going to be back a lot. we're not going to forget you. you started it. remember, you started it.
[ applause ] when i came out, i heard the end of bernie's speech and i heard some of the beginning -- no, no. first of all, congratulations to bernie in all fairness we have to congratulate him. we may not like it, but i heard parts of bernie's speech, he wants to give away our country, folks. we're not going to let it happen. we're not going to let it happen. i don't know where it's going with bernie. we wish him a lot of luck, but we are going to make america great again but we're going to do it the old fashioned way. we're going to beat china, japan, we're going to beat mexico. we're going to beat all of these countries that are taking so much of our money away from us on a daily basis. it's not going to happen anymore. we have the greatest business people right now in the world. they call me all the time. they want to be involved. with he have political hacks
negotiatesi negotiat negotiating our deals. not going to happen any more. we're going to use the finest business people in the world. we are going to do something so good and so fast and so strong and the world is going to respect us again, believe me. we're going to -- [ applause ] do we love our country? do we love our country? [ applause ] i think one of the things that really caught on that's very important, self funding my campaign. everybody on both sides -- i know i was saying two weeks ago i said i don't think people really appreciate it because i see all of this money being poured into commercials, this is on the democrat and republican
side, money pouring into commercials. these are special interests groups. they don't love our country. they don't have our best interests at heart. we have to do something about it. when you see -- when you see the kind of deals made in our country, a lot of those deals are made because the politicians aren't so stupid. they're making them for their benefit. we have to stop it. we have to stop it. we are now going to make it for your benefit. we're going to make the deals for the american people. that's the way it is. [ applause ] now, very -- i love this. look at you. look at you. i love these signs. they're the most imaginative signs. so in a nut shell we're going to make great trade deals. we're going to rebuild our military. it's going to be so big, so strong, so powerful nobody -- nobody is going to mess with us
believe me, nobody. nobody. we are going to take care of our vets. where is al? where is al? we love al. all right. get up here if you can. we're going to take care of our vets. our vets are treated horribly. they're our greatest people. our vets are going to be taken care of and you remember that, everybody. right? [ applause ] we're going to have strong incredible boarders and people are going to come into our country, but they're going to come into our country legally. they're going to come in legally. we're going to build a wall. it's going to be built. it's not even believe it or not it's not even a difficult thing to do. by the way, for the people of new hampshire, will you have a tremendous problem with heroine
and drugs, you wouldn't even believe it, you see this place and you say it's so beautiful, you have a tremendous problem. the first thing always that they mention to me, mr. trump, please do something. the drugs, the heroine, it's pouring in and it's so cheap because there's so much of it and the kids are getting stuck and other people are getting stuck, we're going to end it. we're going to end. we're going to end it at the southern boarder. it's going to be over. and we're going to work and we're going to work really hard to get those people that are so addicted off the habit. we're going to work like hell to take care of the situation. it's a huge problem in new hampshire, it's a huge problem all over our country. we're going to have boarders again and we're going to work with you people to help you solve that very big problem and we'll get it done. [ applause ]
that's so beautiful. what a group of people. do you know, on top of this group, we have thousands of people outside that can't even get in. that's what we have. thousands of people. health care, we're going to reappeal and replace obamacare. it is a total disaster. we're repealing and replacing obamacare. it's gone. we're getting rid of common core. we're going to educate our children locally. we educate our children locally. we are going to preserve our very sacred second amendment. there's not going to be any more chipping away at our second amendment. if we had protection in california recently and so many other places, you could look to paris, paris has the toughest gun laws in the world.
france has the toughest gun laws in the world. these animals go in and they start shooting, one, two, three, 130 people with many people horribly wounded right now in the hospital. if there were bullets going in the other direction, believe me it would have been a whole different story, folks, but nobody had protection. [ applause ] i am going to be the greatest jobs president that god ever created, remember that. [ applause ] don't believe those phony numbers when you hear 4.9 and 5% unemployment, the numbers probably 28%, 29%, as high as 35% and i heard recently 42%.
if we had 5% unemployment do you think we'd have these gatherings, forgetting about security, forgetting about isis, which by the way we're going to knock the hell out of isis. it's going to be done the right way. we're going to take care of the economy, the jobs, all of the things that i said. our boarder, everything, health care it's going to be so great. remember this about obamacare, people are forgetting, but now they're miserable because it's going up 45%, 35%, 55%. it's totally out of control. probably sinks of its own volition in 2017 unless the republicans give it another -- what's going on? what's going on? the last budget that was approved is an absolute disaster
for everybody in this country. we owe $19 trillion as of today we just crossed the $19 trillion mark. we are going to make our country so strong. we are going to start winning again. we don't win anymore. as a country we don't win on trade, the military, we can't beat isis. we don't win on anything. we are going to start winning again and we are going to win so much you are going to be so happy we are going to make america so great again, maybe greater than ever before. i love you all. thank you new hampshire. thank you, thank you new hampshire. thank you. we are going now to south carolina. we're going to win in south carolina. i love you all. thank you very much. thank you. thank you. thank you very much.
donald trump goes to south carolina. we're going to go to john kasich's headquarters where he has just taken the stage. let's listen to the second place finisher tonight. >> we're all happy because they're not driving tomorrow. but how about my family? and of course my great wife. and here in new hampshire i have to tell you there's no way i would have gone forward with this campaign if it wasn't for a johnson, the great senator. he's such a great partner, he's so smart and he's so disciplined and it's just a great friend of mine. we also want to spend a little time thanking former senator
gordon humpry. we were 1% in the national polls and people were like how can you win and we're walking in a total ab security up here and he sends me an e-mail and he says this is the hot plate that changed the world. guys are sleeping on mattresses in at campaign headquarters and they hold up a hot plate where they're eating their food. that's how you win elections. that's how you do it. [ applause ] of course our great friend, the former attorney general, he's been one of the best friends i could have. 17 years ago i came here and i thought things were going okay, wasn't getting a lot of attention and was standing in the kitchen and i was talking to
this lady and i'm thinking i've got myself a town chairperson here, this lady really, really likes me and after about 15 minutes she looked at her watch and she said when will the candidate get here, can you tell us, but the guy that stuck with me for 17 years, bruce. where is bruce? [ applause ] listen, i want to tell you and there's -- i mean there's just no way to say this appropriately, when the media kept saying how are you going to do this, can you finish high, you know what i said i have an insurance policy, it's you. it's all of you. how does a guy like me thank you
for the countless hours, the phone calls, the door knocking, some of you have come from of course our buckeye state and some have come -- some have come from virginia and some have come from maryland and new york and connecticut and today all the way from seattle and -- and a guy flew in from london, england to do this. [ applause ] but you know, there's something that's going on that i'm not sure that anybody can quite understand. there's magic in the air with this campaign because we don't see it as just another campaign, we see this as an opportunity for all of us -- and i mean all of us to be involved in something that's bigger than our own lives, to change america, to
reshine america to restore the spirit of america and to leave no one behind. am i right? that's what we're all fighting for. [ applause ] something big happened tonight and let me tell you what it is. let me tell you what it is. we have had tens and tens of millions of dollars spent against us with negative advertising, okay? we have. we've had tens of millions. that's the old politics. that's the old politics. we never went negative because we have more good to sell than to spend our time being critical of somebody else.
and maybe just maybe in a time when clearly change is in the air, maybe just maybe we are turning the page on a dark part of american politics because tonight the light overcame the darkness of negative campaigning. you made it happen. you made it happen. you made it happen. you made it happen. [ applause ] now, you know we -- we're conservatives here. we believe government is a last resort and not a first resort and as i like to talk about the strength of our country and if you think about the american
home, which is the family, we know that the family is only strong when the foundation is strong. that's why we will wake up every single day to make sure that every american has a job in the united states to help their families and their neighbors. [ applause ] and when i'm president of the united states -- [ applause ] first of all, you know, we're going to have a battering ram to knock down the walls of the city if they don't want to change. it's what i've done all of my lifetime, but here's what we're going to tell people i believe and you think about it and i hope you agree we're going to solve the problems in america not by being extreme, not by being first a republican or a democrat but reminding everybody
that we are americans dedicated to shining up america and fixing our problems. [ applause ] this campaign's changed me the people of new hampshire, the wonderful people of new hampshire, have changed me. and i want to tell you how it happened. i don't know, you know -- i don't know if it happened in the first 25 town halls or the second 25 or the third 25, but as we got closer and closer to those 100 town halls, the 106 that we finally finished on, people for some reason were able to come to these town halls and feel safe. a man came the other day and he
was crying at the end of the town hall and put his arms around me and said my son's got cancer and i feel as though i didn't warn him. i said, sir, it's sad. it's a tragedy. it's terrible, but it's not your fault. he communicated to somebody the other day and said that conversation lifted a weight off of his shoulders, but -- he came from new york to tell me his story. some of you remember the woman that was sitting way up in the seats and she told the story of her daughter who had been sick from being a child and she felt all alone and i asked her to come down and i hugged that woman and we all cried a little bit that night. i not long ago at one of the big town halls a lady sitting in the back after we had gone through the mechanics of fighting drugs, she brought in the real flesh
and blood and she talked about her 31-year-old daughter who had been 11 months sober and i looked around the room and said can you imagine how hard it is to be a mom who at one point just held that little baby in her arms to have to wake up every day and ask the good lord and the good lord is listening to have her daughter recover. now, when you are in settings like that, you begin to learn something. there are too many people in america who don't feel connected. they've got victories that no one celebrates with them. and they have defeats and pain sometimes that they have to absorb themselves. i'll tell you what i really think we need, we need this economic growth and the job creation, but at the heart and soul of the united states of america, the america that i grew
up where my father carried mail and stuck his nose into everybody's business and brought some joy at a time of triumph and was able to be on the step and cry with them when they lost somebody they loved, you see that's the america that i know where we slow down our lives. we slow down our lives and let's just leave this hall tonight and i would ask you to just reflect on this because you see we're all made to change the world, we're all made to be a part of the healing of this world. if we would just slow down and by the way heal the divisions within our own families, be willing to listen to the person that lives next door when you're in such a hurry to get out of the driveway or in such a hurry to get out of the shopping center, slow down, look them in the eye and give them a hug.
it doesn't take government. it takes our hearts, the hearts to change america and in this campaign i've become convinced even more about what it takes to win a political campaign and what it takes for somebody to be a leader. it's not just what's up in here in the head, it's also what's deep in here in the heart and the people of new hampshire have taught me a lesson and from this day forward i'm going to go slower and spend my time listening and healing and helping and bringing people together to fix our great country. [ applause ] thank you.
now -- thank you. thank you. thank you. plauds blauds [ applause ] [ applause ] listen folks, i know the networks want to dpo. bernie talked so long i thought he was going to hit his 77th birthday before he got off the stage. and i mean hillary, you just needed this much and head to south carolina because it ain't working here. okay. it's not working here. [ applause ] it's not going to work here for them next fall either because i'm coming back to new hampshire. [ applause ]
how can any man be so luck to have all of you to be so happy about life and family and the fact that the lord's blessed me. we are at the beginning of this campaign season. tonight we head to south carolina and we will move through south carolina all across this country and we'll end up in the midwest and you just wait. let me tell you, there's so much going to happen, if you don't have a seat belt, go get one. we're going to shake those countries from top to bottom. thank you all very much and god bless. you. only one candidate asked people to go home and reflect on an idea tonight, only one advised us to slow down, take more time, have more meaningful interactions and relationships. john kasich a decidely different candidate, a decidedly different
message that did its share of harking back to a country that many of us don't find recognizable anymore compared to the port rate of his childhood and his father, a letter carrier all his life. before we have to fit a break in here before we continue our coverage. i wanted to let you know of an event while kasich spoke that was happening concurrently here in manchester. marco rubio who did not have a strong showing tonight appeared before his supporters and took the blame for his bad showing going back to saturday night's debate. i want to thank all of you. i know you worked very hard. our team here in new hampshire did a phenomenal job and worked incredibly hard and i'm grateful to you. now, we're still watching these numbers. but i can tell you i know many
outright victory in iowa and to a for stronger result in new hampshire than anyone had predicted. now we go on to south carolina. [ applause ] you know, washington liberals may find south carolina far less hospitalitiabl hospitalitiable. [ applause ] and on to nevada and super tuesday, the so called primary. >> ted cruz accord together the latest available numbers 67% of the vote is looks like he's going to be the third place
finisher though one percentage point him is jeb bush. we have not concentrated as much as we'd like though there's time on the middle of this republican race. we knew it would be the story going into tonight. we've just been obviously concentrating on the speeches we have aired. chris christie, 8%. that's painful for him having put all of his chips in new hampshire. karly fiorina, ben carson at 2%. no one would have predicted that a couple of months back. anyway we've interrupted several people here tonight. we interrupted you last time. i think we've even interrupted chris matthews tonight where we probably should begin because we haven't heard from him in quite a while. >> i'll sum up what you've heard and witnessed. >> i think as i've thought for a while bernie sanders is an
incredible politician. his ability to string together connected elements and wall street of course, citizens united, the plight of the working family in this country, it all strings together. it's how my friend says it's like a 1960s tea. when he gets to political revolution it probably scare some people, but what rings true with voters in the middle and the right is citizens united. one consequence of that terrible court decision it has enraged the people because they do believe in one person, one vote. when you listen to his crowds like tonight, that's what gets them. hillary clinton is on defense now. i'm not knocking her. it's been a hard fight for her. but she's on defense tonight.
the way she strung together her causes, lgbt, a good cause, a human rights campaign, african-americans, the illusion to black lives matter was an attempt to hold together a clinton coalition, but there was a defensive move. there wasn't any over ashing statement about what her campaign was about. donald trump talked about himself, no surprise. it's about him and how he's going to save america. he talked about himself. i did like kasich maybe because i've known him a long time and i'll say when it comes toa then tisty, he's john kasich. he appealed to better behavior with each other. whatever you think of it is the way he looks at life. he's lost his parents in a tragedy. he's religious. he's the real thing. i thought that trump was trump, kasich was kasich, hillary was
okay but has to get better and bernie sanders is a power house. he is not to be stopped until somebody stops him and i'm not sure hillary clinton can do it with the speech we saw tonight. >> wow. >> that's sobering. that's why we go to chris matthews for that. the historical context here matters. there has never been a republican in modern time who has won both new hampshire and iowa. now we know that's true again this year. there's never been a republican nominee who didn't win one of them. so that means historically speaking it's going to be trump or it's going to be cruz. that's almost impossible to imagine from i think a republican establishment perspective. i think the republican establishment if they can say say anything it would be anyone but those two guys. those are the two guys are in contention at this point. we're also getting word that
chris christie who had said previously that there's three, four or five tickets out of new hampshire, right now it looks like he may be running in approximately sixth place. he had talked about going to south carolina and now chris christie is planning to go home tomorrow. he will be going to new jersey and will make a decision based upon the results that come in here. he says it matters whether he is in fifth or sixth place. >> that's pretty ominous for his campaign. i talked to him yesterday and today and they seem pretty upbeat because i think the polling was too imprecise how this group was going to fall out. but saying he's going home to reevaluate is suggestive that things may be coming off here. >> we have projected the winner as trump and the second place finisher as john kasich. there are no other projections. but if the christie campaign is
making a decision based on fifth versus sixth place, is that a rational grounds on which to make that decision? >> either fifth or sixth place the governor is pragmatic. he said he'll stay in the race so long as he sees a path to the nomination. very, very difficult conversations likely taking place around governor christie tonight. >> even if he does place fifth? >> there's really no path going forward. you can't answer the question where do you win next if you didn't do well here? for ted cruz who came in third here and you look at santorum, mike huckabee the last two winners of the iowa caucuses, ted cruz on track to have a respectable performance, typically the evangelical candidates do not do well in new hampshire, but cruz is occupying that conservative lane right now and he's moving into a part of the country now where he can do
very, very well. so you have to look at this race right now. the two republican front-runners are donald trump, ted cruz and then we have room in the race for an establishment candidate to begin to fill the bracket. >> can we show all the republican candidates at once and shows how much percentage of the vote we got in. we know and two are trump and kasich. behind that we have a bunch of candidates. can we put them all up at the same time? that would be awesome. yes. god bless you. i'll buy you all something nice. >> there's repeating we've called just the first two. a check mark belongs next to kasich that is not there. >> donald trump will be the projected winner. john kasich in second place. look how tight that is. this is with 65% of the vote in. i think we can clearly see that
right column is a bottom tier. mike huckabee, rand paul no longer in the race. on that left side though below donald trump and john kasich that's an interesting grouping. in terms of what we just saw from marco rubio taking essentially responsibility for this finish tonight, saying i performed poorly on saturday night, that will not happen again, what did you make of that? >> that was pretty unusual because it's one thing for a candidate to take responsibility for the overall quality of the campaign, but to say at that moment on saturday night i blew it with my repetitive robotic repetitions which is what he's saying how is he going to recast him and how is he going to prove? >> is there something else he has to offer other than that? >> we've not seen a moment like this in modern american
politics. marco rubio on friday night was poised not to just be in second place, but to be the swinner tonight. perhaps the most disasterus debate is it ended marco rubio's chance to be the republican nominee. this is it. where does he go next. it appears tonight that he will at best in fourth place and could be lower. certainly if he finishes below his mentor jeb bush, the rational for his candidacy collapses. if you look at jeb bush he has done well enough tonight to go forward now into south carolina which has always been his strongest state of the early states. president george bush will likely campaign for him there. he's very popular in the state of south carolina, but jeb bush goes into south carolina to make
his last stand. south carolina, when you listen to john kasich talk, john kasich is running positive campaign. i think you saw in that speech a unique man, the inherent goodness of the man. south carolina meanness is a political virtue. this is a state that has a political culture that is unique in america and it is not a state where the grenaentle and soft o heart and the positive campaigners tend to do well so we'll see how that plays out. >> he called for all the republicans to stop the negative ads. >> we think of the past history in the republican politics. >> we're moving into the tough, mean days of the campaign into south carolina. >> there are stories that were just out days ago calling marco
evening we have only called our decision desk has only called three positions, winner in both the democratic and republican prime areas, second place finisher john kasich. our decision desk in its decision brilliance never makd fun of the decision desk has its latest prou nounsment is tight race for third with cruz, bush and rubio all vying for third. think about what that also means though decision desk and chris christie telling his supporters waiting to see if he's fifth or sixth indicating that sixth would mean the ultimate bad decision for him. so our decision desk telling us only cruz, bush and rubio vying for third. there is the decision desk. it's a collection of desks and incredibly smart people.
>> yeah, do not speak ill of the decision desk. they will cut you. >> i know where my bread's buttered. it's mr. decision desk. >> first and second have been projected, but with cruz, bush and rubio vying for third, that will be third, fourth and fifth and chris christie will be pushed to sixth. we're going to go now in order to basically answer the geographic question here, which is who is winning where and how donald trump put together this victory tonight. >> here is the republican map and it's self-evident when you see the green. you see green all over the map, but that in and of itself is amazing. donald trump winning in every region of the state. if this was going to be a better night for ted cruz, a really good night for ted cruz, you would expect to see more of the brown color on here, tan, you would be expecting to see that. that's too big of a circle, but
up here. this is rand paul won in 2012. could he win over those rand paul voters. how about john kasich. he gets second place. if he wanted to do better, he would do better in this area. marco rubio if he was having a good night, he was targeting right down here. these are the most densely populated counties in the state. about 55% of the republican vote coming out this area particularly in here. this is where he thought he would do well right in the bedroom communities on the boarder. you have college educated republicans there. they're anti-tax. that was the target at least at the start of the week, but you're seeing donald trump winning in every one of these regions. you point out for donald trump, the capital city congrequered. donald trump has carried it.
ports smith, probably the most liberal cities in the state that even holds true among the republicans, donald trump carries it. donald trump wins manchester and nashua. the conservative anti-tax areas, the college towns, the liberal city, donald trump, donald trump, donald trump. >> wow. when it comes down to that, that makes it pretty clear. we don't know what the margins are, but that's pretty overwh m overwhelmi overwhelming. some of the impact here is going to be how big a margin senator sanders has, how big a margin donald trump has. it looks like it's going to be big. >> so what changes that? what changes -- we were talking early that you can't draw a red line from tonight through to the convention, but what changes that voting pattern? >> what changes is getting to a one-on-one race. donald trump is taking first place tonight with 34% of the
vote. he will probably actually come in third in this state in actual votes -- counted votes. he will get fewer votes than k hillary clinton. if you take the total republican returns and you make this a two person race, if you give donald trump, cruz, if you give trump carson, if the rest of them go over to the kasich column, kasich's at 50, trump's at 48. trump will thrive as long as everyone stays in this race. >> there's one interesting piece of data that i think creates an interesting question, donald trump won the night, but new hampshire republicans when you ask them would they be satisfied if donald trump won the republican nomination, these are new hampshire republicans tonight, 48% say that would be satisfied, 49% say that would be dissatisfied. so he's winning by a big margin. >> go with kasich tonight if
they could. >> and they could go with hillary or bernie in the general. >> lawyer residenif it were a t, donald trump would be at a disadvantage. my question is how does this change the dynamics of the race? does this give him a boost going into south carolina? there hasn't been a lot of frequent polling in south carolina so we don't know what's going on? >> what do you think if we see people drop out tonight. i have no information to suggest anybody is going to drop out, but theoretically if the field narrowed would that help or hurt trump? >> i don't think there are a lot of chris christie voters in south carolina so i don't think it will have an impact there. i'm wondering, the sort of big question whether a big win in new hampshire and this is a big win by trump and again vote
total, not huge, but way past any of his competitors that would could give him a little rocket fuel in south carolina and if you get another big victory there on the scale or perhaps even larger, that sets him up for -- for the scc primary. >> let's remember how irrelevant south carolina turned out to be last time. >> in prior years it was very relevant. >> on that note and at a great time let's go to a break.
for himself analysts have pointed out chris christie did not get a boost for his own efforts here. he has appeared before his supporters tonight. we have been there covering the christie campaign which i now understand is diverting to new jersey overnight. he had told news media he had an 8:00 a.m. flight to south carolina tomorrow morning. what do you know? >> reporter: he had three events scheduled for south carolina. those are on hold as christie and his family goes back to new jersey and take a closer look at the results as they come in to see if there is anything in that sort of bunch up of the third and fourth placed tier that would give him any reason to go on. other sources i talked to say that the campaign had enough resources to get to south carolina, but needed something to sell to donors and that is certainly questionable tonight. he talked about the message that
really came through in that debate where he said the message has been heard that experience matters, but tonight he said there are races where you think you're going to do well, some where you think you're not and you don't always know which is which. clearly very depressed tonight about this. they had worked very hard here in new hampshire to try to connect in the town hall format emphasizing foreign policy and the terrorism piece from his days as a u.s. attorney. maybe that wasn't quite the right message. he had endorsements from the conservative papers in that area and a lot of enthusiasm, but it did not connect tonight. so he's going home to new jersey to think about if he has a future in this race. >> thanks. the christie campaign and this happens from time to time made a strategic decision to put all their chips here in new hampshire. >> that's right, they stayed out of iowa and stayed here in new hampshire. the union leader which is the
largest paper endorsed him. >> did they have to defend that. >> he spent the only person who spent more time in new hampshire than he did was john kasich. it just worked better for john kasich than it did for chris christie. >> we heard from john kasich a highly unusual it would will be called a home speech about the america of his childhood, his idea for a better america and he used the imagery of shining up our country more than once sbut quite a contrast to the other speeches we heard tonight. this will end this hour. we'll see you at the top of the next hour.
♪ what a night it has been here in new hampshire. first in the nation primary. the political year still young that continues to surprise early on. let's take a look at what we have learned tonight. the results we have had come in. the races we have called and determined. this was the first call of the night, the projected winner for the democrats, bernie sanders, as expected. if you want to anger the sanders
campaign ad just as quickly from a neighboring state of vermont. 60-39 the percentage with 69% in. the numbers will change as we go throughout the night. bernie sanders addressed an uprorrious crowd at his headquarters. >> together, we have sent the message that will echo from wall street to washington, from maine to california. [ applause ] and that is that the government of our great country belongs to all of the people and not just a handful of wealthy campaign contributors and their super packs. [ applause ] >> bernie sanders earlier
tonight and now to the republicans, he has done it. he pulled it off. donald trump of new york has won the new hampshire primary. our projected winner just after 8:00 p.m. eastern time tonight. we altso called second place fairly early this evening for the governor of ohio, john kasich. it is the rest of the race that we expect to remain fluid as a higher percent of the vote comes in. the big race was between third, fourth, and fifth, between cruz, bush, and rubio. chris christie with a very big decision to make. but the winner for the republicans got his time in front of an uproarious crowd tonight as well. >> we are going to start winning again. we don't win anymore. as a country we don't win on trade, we don't win with the military. we can't beat isis.
we don't win with anything. we are going to start winning again and we're going to win so much, you're going to be so happy. we're going to make america so great again, maybe greater than ever before. i love you all, thank you, new hampshire. thank you, thank you, new hampshire. we are going now to south carolina. we're going to win in south carolina. >> people of south carolina can expect a large aircraft with the trump symbol on the tail. >> that's right. i mean -- there's still stuff to learn tonight. what happens down that ticket on the republican side is going to be fascinating and for some it will be ittedeterminative tonig. but donald trump winning new hampshire. in 1996, pat buchanan won new hampshire. beat bob dole with a combination
of poppialism that defied structure. and zeen foebic nativism of a hard right cast and he won in new hampshire and then he didn't win another single thing the whole time and bob dole became the nominee. that could happen. or, this is the start of it for donald trump. and the american republican party will be in line with the national front in france and the uk independence party in great britain and these other types of hard right european style nativest movements, that before now, really have been on the fringe, that have been people like pat buchanan, got a speaking spot here and there but never in the leadership of their party. if donald trump is starting here to become a republican nominee, we're a different type of
country in terms of what our major parties stand for and in terms of the mainstream and the fringe and where they find their media and it's a big deal tonight that he's won. >> that's why it's an international news story. >> it is and a lot of the european press, i think they will see it through the lens of their own movements, which again don't usually become ruling parties but when you get a big win, it can really change your perception of who you are as a nation and who your politics represent. >> andrea muitchell here and chuck todd. >> just thinking about the foreign policy implications, donald trump, bernie sanders. you are the business leaders, the business establishment, mostly republican and thes with round table, let's say, ceos and you're looking at these results
and you cannot find a space for yourselves. you thought you were in charge of america. that's what bernie sanders is runnering against and donald trump not so much and he may move over to the center in terms of their business proclivities but most of those leaders, whom i've talked to, don't think much of donald trump. they're not comfortable -- >> they don't see him as a fellow who sees the way they do. >> clearly they're not where america is but american capitalism runs in a fashion that has now been rejected by both wings, both parties, which have gone to the wings. similarly on foreign policy, the iran nuclear deal and he said it was the worst deal ever. and our policy towards latin america and central america, towards canada, the walls.
just -- it's nativest and antimuslim but it has enormous implications for our relations in the middle east and with china. >> about a 50,000 foot view? >> i'm not ready to corinate trump just yet. look, if you ad up all the sort of establishment figures, rubio, kasich, bush and christie, they'd be at 46% tonight. so, that would be a winning number tonight. i think what we're staring at here is look, cruz wins iowa, he's established himself as the religious conservative but this sort of -- the true blue tea parties plus the evangelicals. that is worth a third plus of the party. donald trump is carving out this
poppiale y popuealist. and now we're going to look -- we still have to figure out who's going to be from the governing wing of the particulatparty. but the folks said we want the governing wing and that's what south carolina is going to serve at and when we have our candidate, i think we have a real shot at a three-way race for a long time and by the way, that means we may go to cleveland. and we may -- and the party may -- >> because everything happens very fast. >> it does and you can see march still being a muddled mess between three candidates. you can't count out rubio, you can't count out bush and we'll see what kasich does. i don't know if kasich's ready for what's coming in south carolina. he's gotten to avoid this. this is where i'm skeptical. i don't know if he's ready for
the tough paoliciepolicies. >> he's been surpassing expectations. >> but this -- >> and one of the interesting things we're getting more data about tonight is what happened between bernie sanders and hillary clinton that explains the size of his margin and who he's winning with. >> i want to look at the map and show you what bernie sanders did, specifically in new hampshire. it's pretty much all green and we look back to clinton versus barack obama. look, not surprisingly, he is just cleaning up in this part of the state. this was obama's best part of the state in 2008, it borders vermont. this is the most liberal part of the state. but the biggest gains he's made from where barack obama did against hillary clinton are in
areas very blue collar. this is biggest city in northern new hampshire. this was huge for hillary clinton in 2008. she won 50% of the vote there. barack obama came in third. bernie sanders has won by double digits in berlin tonight. it was the backbone of clinton's victory. places along the sea coast, some of these old industrial cities. these are places that she won big in 2008. what this looks like demographically is this, under $50,000, bernie did better with lower income voters than upper income voters. that is a flip from barack obama. he won the upper income voters and lost, lost big among lower income voters. and the college, non-college
divide, sanders doing much better with those who do nauot have a college degree. that is an inversion of what we saw in 2008. the implications, long term are this. hillary clinton winning and the backbone are the types of voters that bernie sanders made the most inroads with in new hampshire. >> another member of our family watching tonight who has been reacting in real time to the news, the returns, the speeches we've seen. chris matthews also here in our election headquarters. chris. >> i think something that really happens was we can stop thinking in terms of the self destruction of the two frontrunners that somehow there was an assumption that bernie sanders would go too far left, if you will and burn
himself out. i see him growing in support. i think growing in political ability and reach. i think he's reaching well into the democratic center and occasionally to the center right. i look at donald trump. he was going to self destruct and here he didn't do it. to be either, someone is going to have to beat them. and hillary has to come up with a reason why she's running. she's sort of like ted kennedy was in 80, please tell me why you're running for president, i don't hear the answer. and if donald trump ends up running -- well, he's probably going to end up with a situation before iowa where what's going to happen is people aren't going to attack him anymore, rubio after cruz and cruz after rubio, because those are the two vying for the alternative position.
so, those two guys fighting with each other for number two down there and trump could continue on as a rule of motion. an object continues in direction it's going unless some outside force. what outside force is going to stop trump and what outside force is going to stop sanders? and i think both of them are better than their opponents right now. somebody has to beat these two guys and i think that's what happened tonight. >> this calling we are covering tonight. wow. chris, thank you. we'll take a break here. when we come back, we'll listen to some of tonight's winners.
the polls closedality alth p.m. tonight, the nbc news was able to project the winners immediately. right now, 74% of the vote is in. so, slightly less than 3/4 of the vote in. this could change. but look at that margin. that's right now with 74% of the vote in, that is a 21-point margin for bernie sanders and yes, there were some polls coming in to today that suggested he might win by that much but not all of them. tracking polls suggested that hillary clinton was maybe closing the gap. that is an enormous gap between the winner and the loser in new hampshire tonight on the democratic side. let's go for a second back to bernie sanders' victory speech tonight. >> thank you, new hampshire. [ applause ]
>> together, we have sent the message that will echo from wall street to washington, from maine to california. and that is that the government of our great country belongs to all of the people and not just a handful of wealthy campaign contributors and their super packs. [ applause ] nine mujts ago, we began ourcome pain here in new hampshire. we had no campaign organization, we had no money and we were taking on the most powerful political organization in the
united states of america. and tonight, with what appears to be a record-breaking voter turnout -- [ applause ] because of a huge voter turnout and i say huge, we won. because we larnsed the energy and the excitement that the democratic party will need to succeed in november. >> bernie sanders in a long and
confident victory speech tonight in new hampshire. he was preceded in that speech, basically immediately by the woman who he beat tonight, by secretary clintden. she gave a short speech that was also very, very fired up. as soon as she was done, bernie sanders took the stage. they did it in the way, that in etiquette terms, the way you're supposed to do that. >> i know i have some work to do, particularly with young people but i will repeat again what i have said this week -- [ applause ] even if they are not supporting me now, i support them because i know -- [ applause ] i know i've had a blessed life but i also know what it's like to stumble and fall and so many people across america know that feeling and we've learned it's
not weather yoi get knocked down that matters, it's whether you get back up. [ applause ] so, my friends, please, join me in building on the progress we've made under president obama, pushing forward every single day for as long as it takes to break down those barriers that hold us back. we've got to wleev in the basic prop zishz of our country, when all americans have the chance to succeed, when each of us has the opportunity to live up to our own god given potential, only then can america live up to its potential as well. >> former secretary of state hillary clinton giving her concession speech. to think about what's happened on the democratic side, we had what is the closest ever race in iowa. it was decided by one quarter of one%. hillary clinton winning that
victory. if the margin holds. we only have 3/4s of the vote but that would be the largest margin of victory in any modern ear a acompetitive primary. i think the previous record of the modern era is something like 16 points from 1980. >> i was thinking if i had an assignment to write where this campaign is and where it needs to go, there's two plausible arguments, one is don't panic, stay the course, iowa and new hampshire are completely not representative of the rest of the country. and the one thing you can say is this, when you fill in the blank, bernie sanders is running to be president too. restore american democracy, and rebuild the middle class. hillary clinton is running for president to -- and the fill in
the blank is do a really good job. >> because i know what it takes and i could handle it and you can trust me to do a good job at it. >> and there's a reason to say that but that's not a message. i'm running for president to do a really good job is not a campaign message and i think tats rar problem they have. >> and some of the numbers steve has given us during the evening should really be of concern for the clinton campaign. one is young people going for bernie sanders, 85% or something. that's just outrageous. i mean, she cannot -- >> and that didn't get better for her after iowa. she lost by a saevt point point margin in iowa. >> you can't stay there. and the other is the numbers that showed that essentially
working class white democratic who were her salvation in 2008, seem to have forsaken her and are going with bernie sanders. that was very interesting. >> and this is also an example of politics -- when you try to extrapolate to what her weakness is in this context mean further out, would she get the nomination? there's a not a lot. they're going to south carolina. bernie sanders has to prove that he can seriously, genuinely and sort of fully make end roads. he has yet to do that. >> the one internal number tonight that i think probably does comfort theclipten camp is that if this were a race just among democratic voters, among
people that identify with democrats, it was a tied race. it was because of undeclared voters. >> even that is somewhat remarkable. >> a tie is better than losing by the margin she's losing by overall. >> one thing that has been undersold, i think there's a froid, a part of aeroour politics that likes to see her brought low and i think there's this line about the 74-year-old socialist being hillary clinton and bernie sanders has run the best campaign of the 19 declared running for president in this race. in every particular, the best, most disciplined, well run message and honed campaign from ads, to fund ris raising to everything. do not underestimate the quality of what they have executed when you think about what this means for hillary clinton. >> if they're going to be the most spectacularly funded
campaign as well. i want to bring in a little donald trump, because he was called as soon as bernie sanders was called which was right at poll closing. john kasich in second is going to be a huge head line tomorrow. and all over the united states. >> i am going to be the greatest jobs president that god ever created. remember that. don't believe those phoney numbers when you hear 4.9 and 5% unemployment. the numbers probably 28, 29, as high as 35. in fact, i even heard recently 42%. do you think we'd have gatherings like this if we had 5 mer unemployment, do you really think we'd have these gatherings? >> there's something that's go stoog on that i'm not sure that
anybody can quite understand. there's magic in the air with this campaign because we don't see it as just another campaign. we see this as an stunt for all of us and i mean all of us too, be involved in something that's bigger than our own lives, to change america, to reshine america, to restore the spirit of america and to leave no one behind. am i right? that's what we're all fighting for. [ applause ] >> john kasich campaign signalled yesterday that they thought they were going to do well tonight when they said that they were having a large ad buy in the state of north carolina and nevada. as a native south carolinaen, does john kasich have the kind of daniel pain and personality
that can win there in a republican primary? >> well, since the last republican primary in south carolina, we don't know. because if you recall four years ago, newt gingrich. before that they had a steady reliable record of choosing the event alnominee and it was mainstream republicans. it's a state with a large military presence. so, it likes candidates for a strong military. that means a lot for the state. but it's just sort of a rock rib down the line republican state until four years ago. >> does it deserve its reputation for cut throat, mean spirited nastiness being a nes sesty to win a republican primary? it has a fire and brim stone leave the trail behind you.
>> it is leeality water's home state. so, things can get tough and politics was almost futile in the sense that there were vessels and they paid tribute and that sort of thing. it was a throw-back state. there was real, sort of anger and antiestablishment feeling four years ago. i can't believe that's gone away. i think it's probably traurng now. and it's changed over the years because so many transplants from the north have come down. its are are are rr evolving. and it's really politically an animal that i don't anybody has quite figured out. my guess is good territory for donald trump. >> when we come back, we're going to talking to a bunch of our reporters --
we are back at our election headquarters headquarters. the part of the room you don't normally see and we're in a circle of people we've never seen in one place at one time. all of our correspondents from the field along with mom and dad from the studio. family meeting. >> it's like the brady bunch if
the brady bunch were all sisters. this is what the boys on the bus look like this year. it's really really great. >> thanks for asking a man to attend. and we begin with katy ter. it's one thing to talk about trump's chances of winning the new hampshire primary, it's quite another that we're talking about your victor in the new hampshire primary. >> considering how this all started with what he called that world's most famous escalator and everybody was discounting him and he would quickly fall away. the amount of times that we, in the media, have predicted donald trump's down fall, dozens. hundreds of times.
>> thinking the latest outrageous thing would cause things to fall down around him. >> including using the "p" word. >> we didn't even think we had to have an adjective. >> calling john kerry not a war hero. calling the other candidates losers and low energy and nasty. >> and shoot someone on fifth avenue -- >> there are so many things it's hard to recall them all at once but now that we have him, and he's truly the frontrunner for the gop race and the polling for 78 months and he's proven that he can turn that enthusiasm and lines of hundreds or thousands of people that have waited in subzero degree temperatures or in the summer, very hot temperatures, to get in and see donald trump speak and some
speeches are generally all the same. and it says a lot that people want to go see it in person. and not just -- >> casey hunt, you're covering a guy from brooklyn, new york by way of university of chicago to vermont to many years in washington, kind of nicely over looked these days. officially an independent, sits with the democrats in school on capital hill, is a democratic socialist and the victor on the democratic side. >> and not just a victor, but by a margin. >> unprecedented. >> and his senior works for michael due caucus. he's been there for both of those. i think for the sanders campaign. they felt from the beginning they were on to something. but i think they have been surprised by the fervor of their
support. if you remember back to when he first announced he was running for president, it took 10 minutes which id'd have to look at the final length of time but i'm guessing it was twice as long as his actual announcement and he started by saying this is going to be quick. there was a lot of talk at the time and he's discussed this saying people treated me like a fringe candidate and the reality is it's pretty clear the clintons missed something. when i started covering these events, i wanted to look around and say are my instincts right that there's something going on here and it turns out that was right and it continued into new hampshire. he obviously has challenges across the rest of the map, has to expand his appeal but there is something very real here that goes beyond where we all assumed
it would. >> the first signs we had that senator sanders was on to something and we said there's a giant republican field and hillary clinton is going to win and bernie sanders is her only competition, come on. >> and he just sold out an arena. >> and he's turning in big numbers and bigger than anybody on the republican field and he did it consistently and there's this bias, i think, from those of us in new york and washington looking in the field and saying big rally numbers don't mean anything. they don't have absolute value political meaning. i mean, how do you know when you're at something that it means something bigger than just that moment? >> i think we knew when we saw him in portland, oregon, and boulder, colorado. we saw those enormous college crowds and minneapolis, which is where minnesota democrats tell
me that if it were today, he would win the minnesota caucus. he is so far ahead in that party. the bernie phenomenon is deeper and broader than i think any conventional wisdom -- >> it's not just necessarily the crowd size, it's the crowd energy. you go to something like a ted cruz rally, right? and these people that there showing up, they are true believers. they're not necessarily showing up in the thousands but its 700, 1200 but they truly believe in his messaging and that stands for something and you can see him feeding off his energy and his message has been incredibly consistent from it day he got into this race. he feels, truly he was colesing this conservative grassroots around his candidacy and they're pointing to their showing in
iowa -- >> but you're not seeing them show up just because -- that's not happening. >> and the challenge is for secretary clinton, when you're seeing those crowd sizes is what to make of it and her campaign has been trying to dismiss that. i think tonight was the first time the clinton campaign had to take a hard look at itself. they were hoping to keep the victory down to about 10 points. the fact it was so much bigger, she indicated this, taking a hard look at her message. she's going to talk a whole lot more about wall street and you're probably going hear her hit him on the head about the health care plan. >> and she's moving left. it was in her speech tonight. but there is that videotape thing out there. then she's going to get hit for -- >> paid speeches.
whenever you need them. so your business can get back to business. sounds like my ride's ready. don't get stuck on hold. reach an expert fast. comcast business. built for business. we are back with our round table of experienced correspondents who are never in the same place at the same time, so we're taking advantage of that. chris matthews just announcing that on a special edition of "hardball this evening," live interview with the victor on the republican side in new hampshire, donald trump. chris jansing had an equal roll of poll waumper, in effect and then you went over to the bush campaign headquarters where they're actually have aing good night?
>> the way he put it to me when i talked to him and i think there's an element of truth, anything above death would be considered -- so, that's considered a victory. having tsds that he said they've been writing my obituaries, so anything above dead is good. >> i think -- >> but when he came out tonight, there was an energy that we haven't seen from him in a long time and we've seen it creeping up a little bit over the last few weeks. he says few months, i think that's a bit of an exaggeration but he's started to feel more like himself. i started covering him before he announced and all the talk was he does he disassociat himself from his family. one of the things they're going to write about and teach about when they do classes going forward 20 years from now is going to be how he has, for
better or worse, stayed true to himself and i think what has happened as a result is that people are starting to appreciate a certain level of authenticity that he has. which in a way is the same thing they love about bernie sanders, he's the same guy i knew as a mayor covering him in local news. >> and that's what young voters keep talking about in this election cycle. that's what they're looking for. that's why they like bernie sanders. >> you know how they say in television you can tell when they're faking it. when you're in a place like iowa and new hampshire where they're looking you in the eye and askingio aa question and i met people over the weektd that had seen five different candidates over the course of several days. they get a sense of you, they do. >> so, all of their campaign staffers and candidates that you
uctaed to, who is freaking out the most tonight? >> rubio's people are. you heard him apologize. >> look, i think he's had a very rough 72 hours. this has probably been the worst days of his campaign. this is not the position they wanted to be in. they wanted to be able to beat the other governors in this race -- >> they had all the momentum coming out of iowa. >> i have to say bill clinton is freaking out the most. he didn't take questions tonight. he always takes questions. not tonight. >> so, why him more than her? >> watching him watch her these last few days when they've been campaigning together because previously he was on his own and watching his face, he could not mask the recognition that oh, my gosh this is happening again. she's going to lose. >> it's not us projecting that
on to him? >> i don't think so because something fasnalting happened on sunday. that first event, he gave what was a veryly typical speech, he defended her recerd, on benghazi and the emails but then that night, 450e turned into the attack dog mode and it wasn't clear where it came from. one campaign official said it it was sort of his decision. we wurntd stopping him. >> a very small traveling press core. >> wondering what hillary clinton would be like if you threw away her organization and let her be herself much in the same way that donald trump has been where he has nothing behind him. >> traveling around the world a completely different person. >> and i think if he were to do that, and i get the sense from talking to younger folks, they don't trust her.
and if she threw it all away and seemed like she was talking off the cuff. >> she's the most engaging person just sitting and shooting the breeze. i think she was in a comfort zone of i'm talking about substance with a press core that only cares about really nerdy stuff and this arms deal and it was the kind of thing she really liked. >> it's a good challenge is how does she translate that? >> that's been the problem. >> hillary clinton on her black berry. there was a time where she was cool among the younger generation and then when she started campaigning again, she completely lost it. >> after she was secretary of state and she was writing a book and before she declared for president and i think in the
debate where she said she really hadn't made that decision, that was really not authentic, she gave paid speeches and at the time i said what is she doing this for? if she ever wants to run for office, what is she doing this for and it's when you write a book, you do paid speeches. but for someone who ever wanted a political life, that was such a mistake. >> and the person running the bernie campaign, is there a reflection -- do you sense that they have an idea that tharb rr thinking two, three, and four steps down the line or was this all they were ever planning on getting? >> i talked about this very question last night. first of all, he feels there's a stronger mesening than there was particularly with john kerry.
i was talking to them about how they see the rest of the states. and what they're trying to do is build a different coalition than obama built when he ran against her in 2008 by eating into the some of the people that supported her over obama. that applies to blue collar working class, men and women. working class people in particular did not support obama and they feel like they can actually -- >> and part of that strategy, based on my conversations is knock her off of her momentum, which is what happened tonight. so, they can make that argument that he's a credible candidate. >> international symbol for time. as in we've run out of it. we'll end this as we've started. you've just witnessed the very best at what they all do.
guess it wasn't as unexpected as it could have been because the leaders in the polls leading up to tonight's voting ended up winning but it still feels stunning. donald trump has won on the republican side and bernie sanders won on the democratic side. i think we're going to see the field shrink on the republican side and absolute chaos in south carolina and a very happy john kasich. >> and it will be morning before we really know the story on the republican side as well. so, this goes on. what's night for most of us quickly becomes the next day in politics. special edition of "hardball."
♪ welcome to a special edition of "hardball." by the way, there's our great license plate in new hampshire. hear here in new hampshire. donald trump silenced critics today who questioned whether his months long lead would translate into electorate success. according to our exit polls, trump led among men, women, young people, older voters,
people of every single income level, as well as voters who call themselves very conservative, those who call themselves moderates. donald trump joins us by phone. what do you like better caucuses or primaries? >> well, i love what we did this week and i think the caucus system is a difficult system but i just don't think it's as accurate. you can walk in, pull a lever or do whatever you have to do to vote and leave. and i think it's a much better system, actually. >> i've been arguing all night that you and bernie sanders have one thing in common, you're not going to beat yourself. who do you think -- when you look between here and cleveland that convention, what's between you and getting the nomination right now? >> i think i have a chance to do very well in south carolina. i'll be going there tomorrow and
the crowd is going to be enormous tomorrow in south carolina. you know i've been doing well there. and very big audiences and i look forward to doing well there. i think it's going to be very special just like new hampshire was. >> let me ask you about the military because we all know south carolina is a military state. have you thought through how you're going to make the american military number one again? >> i have and one of the reasons i did so well with vets is i have a great relationship with the military, a great relationship to the vets and we're going to redo it. our military is depleted, we're somewhat laughed at and we shouldn't be but we are and we're going to build it up and make it very, very strong. we're at a point where i remember when not so long ago when general said it's really in terms of preparedness one of the worst we've been in many years.
we're not in a good state of preparedness and i was amazed to hear that. but we shouldn't be too surprised. so, we're going to make it very, very strong and hopefully we're not going to have to use it, chris but we're going to be very strong nevertheless. >> you going to increase the size of the navy? are there any elements you've thought about. what do you want more that we don't have now? >> we're going to be dealing with the admirals and generals and finding out what they need and i know for a fact that they order equipment they don't want but it's expedeiant. people that give people that i'm running against and they're buying equipment they don't want and stuff they do want they're not able to buy because it's not political. like the drug business where we buy things and doenn't even
negotiate price. i'm self funding so, nobody's going to be telling me what we should and shouldn't buy. i know we're buying things that, in many cases, they don't want. they want other alternatives. >> now that you're on top, will you go to cbs? all the debates that have been scheduled? >> yes, i actually like the debates. i think you would agree but yrv done well the debates. the one i me missed with fox wa because of something they did that wasn't appropriate. i wouldn't have missed what i did. i raised 6 million and now it's up to 7 million for the vets tonight. so, it was a great night and i did miss that one debate.
the last debate, i think i did well at. say it again, chris. >> is that what kroeked rubio? >> i guess so. i mean, he's a good guy. he just really took a beating. it was a tough debate. i think the press was pretty tough but maybe they were right in being tough but it did not help him. they came in lower than people thought he would. i mean the ultimate poll is the one we just had and he's lower than a lot of people -- had he not been in that debate or had the misfire, if you want to call it that, certainly he would have been higher. >> i now pronounce you, sir, a politician.
but the good part is you're a winning politician. you're inside game. thank you for calling me so late tonight. >> thank you very much. great honor. thank you. >> let me bring in the all star panel with me. the moderate meet the press chuck todd is here. and republican strategist steve schmidt who was senior advisor to the great john mccain campaign. it looks to me like i've been arguing newton's law of motion. you got to stop these guys. you got to stop bernie, you got to stop trump. they're not just going to die. that's an illusion. he's a socialist. they're doing well. >> and you're right. the clinton campaign has to figure out how to, number one, they need a message, an elevator pitch. i can go up in 10 seconds and tell you what bernie sanders'
message is. i tried it with every one of her surrogates today and they don't get there. >> is this the ted kennedy problem? >> i think it is. why do you want to be president and i think she hasn't figured it out yet. and yes, they're going to have to take it to sanders and that comes with some risk going after sanders. on the republican side, who's going to take trump on? somebody has to. i think the most fascinating thing to watch in the next 10 days is figuring out who goes after who because i have some ideas. >> let's take it back before iowa. won't cruz and rubio have to fight it out personally? >> i think jeb and trump share more potential voters in south carolina than anybody else. it's the coastal moderate said in south carolina. yes, i do think there's a cruz and rubio that they may be going after each other a little bit
and kasich's the wild card. he gets a little bump out of here. i still don't know where he quite goes. >> does he get a bump in south carolina? >> he gets a bump financially. >> i know ea guy from south carolina. here he is. you know the republican party, the democratic party. i'm assuming when we get there it will be all about military. >> making the military strong again or stronger is not just the philosophical thing for them, it's an economic thing. so, there's going to be a lot of talk about that. is south carolina a natural state for john kasich? i'm not sure it is. remember that before 2012, south carolina had a quite good record of choosing the event ual
nominee. >> i think this is going to be 10 days of nasty. i think this is going to be -- we've been using this analogy, a tarantino movie. everybody's going to be shooting at everybody. >> do aknow the targets yet? john mccain's wife was a druggy. >>b i don't know if it gets that personal but i think it's going to be rough. >> very rough. meanness is a virtue in south carolina. this is a state that has a unique political culture. there's a rough and tumble state. >> we remember how much john mccain because i was hanging out with our boss and we would hangout with lindsey gram and holding town meetings and everything and we got pretty familiar with the mud being thrown, the dirt balls at john
mccain about his family and drugs and everything. >> it's a tough business and south carolina is probably the toughest state. >> are you defending it? >> i think it's part of the process. >> part of the process to have your kids -- >> there's a virtue in stress testing the people who demands the most lethal military. g >> do the people of south carolina see the truth or just the stuff flying through the air? >> i think donald trump inside of a republican primary, he's a very compelling message. it's simple and eloquence, make america great again. he has tapped a vein among republican voters in this country. he's appealing to them to the sense of loss they feel and we've had all these predictions
and now you're seeing it play out in the democratic primary, that there's an expiration that some day, some how, sh wome way they'll self destruct. you're exactly right. someone will have to engage, someone will have to try to beat these candidate sas but so long you have an unsettled establishment field, ted cruz is the ideological establishment and that establishment field, dividing the boat, boeds very well for donald trump. >> and some of my progressive people and you know them, were all very happy in saying once it's one on one, trump loses. not so clearly. if he's up against cruz, like bush's voters and kasich's voters are not going to ted cruz. they'll more likely go to trump.
i don't buy this him against everybody. >> the difference between donald trump and let's say pat buchanan's victory in 1996 is that donald trump has been the leader of the polls for nine months at least. >> he was a talk show host. no money, nothing. >> donald trump can sustain from now until the convention. >> trump still hasn't had income. he hasn't had a sustained -- i want to see what happens -- hang on, buddy. i want to see what the jeb bush malling machine that husband be -- has been pretty destructive to rubio, i want to see what happens when they dump some on
tru trump. if they don't do it now, then they're conceding the nomination. >> because i hear christie and clinton until he gets rid of rubio. and here's rubio. >> i can just tell you i know many people disappointed. i'm disappointed with tonight. but i want you to understand something, our disappoint tonight is not on you, it's on me. it's on me. i did not do well on saturday night, so listen to this, that will never happen again. [ applause ] >> his problem was he repeated himself five times in a strange version of i don't know what. do you think he's out? >> no. >> i think this was very
damaging him to because the classic washington definition of a gaf, you accidently say the truth. this confirmed the wrap on marco rubio. he's robotic, preprogrammed and tudaw. >> is he dead? >> yeah, i think it's over. he emerged as a candidate who could have been the nominee. he was on track to potentially come in second, maybe even win new hampshire he goes the to the debate, his supporters couldn't name a single qualification. if he wins the nevada caucuses and he has a chance, he rehabilitates himself but if he doesn't win in nevada. >> the old is no information voters. they don't want the debates, he's cute, well spoken, he's
young. i like him better because he doesn't yell as much. and he's got two things going for him. >> he's got some money, a lot of attractive qualities but i think that saturday night debate was so destructive to him. >> i think he's got a lot of pressure on saturday. he has an opportunity. i don't think you can totally say he's out because he does have some resources. he's got more cash. >> who's got a better chance of surviving, he or jeb? >> that's tough. >> i don't know. i sit here, rubio has more room to recover. i hear what steve's saying and it's one of thosing thes maybe it's a virus that can't be cured. but you still have a higher favorable rating there. jeb has some hard negative. >> if you're on that plane just
landing in new york with donald trump and his people, who are you afraid of between here and cleveland convention? who's your biggest fear? >> i think a rehabilitated jeb and cruz. >> really? >> in a funny way, it's jeb and the funny way it's jeb. he could do fairly well in south carolina. he's a substantial guy. you may figure rubio could be on the way. >> this is fascinating. >> no, it's cruz. he can't get in a fight with ted cruz in the way that hillary clinton is now in an ideological fight with bernie sanders. so long as there are a couple other candidates, he is on track to get the nomination. >> i think there's three lanes here. >> i think ted cruz. >> i think cruz is tough because
he's been hanging on to that right rail and it's hard to get to his right. and you know them better than i do. do they like trump or not? the moderates? >> the moderates? >> christie wants to get rid of rubio. that's his goal. >> i think christie is done. he's not going to qualify for that debate and that's his oxygen. >> we're going to miss him. >> oh, yeah, a lot of people are going to miss him. >> the hillary clinton plane going to new york tonight. >> i would make everybody get off the plane. >> what's your plan? >> we'll get back to that because she's got to beat sanders and he looks really good right now. steve smith, thank you. andrea mitchell and chuck.
that was bernie sanders speaking tonight after his resounding victory over hillary clinton in the live free or die state with over 80% of the vote and a margin of over 20%. that's more than double, double digit. and i'm joined by my colleague. and you're the oldest guy here besides me. howard is so right, bernie sanders approach is brilliant. he reads notes, no teleprompter. nothing fancy. he's like a college professor who's 28 years old, assistant professor of political science and he's got all these interesting statistics and he brings them out and each paragraph has one great statistic and he's teaching us, we like this guy. >> you talk to people who have worked with him or known him for
50 years and they say he hasn't changed. he's gotten older but he hasn't changed. he didn't do drugs in the '60s, he wasn't a happy. he was all about changing. and people realize it is from the gut. like it or not, there's no question about if he's trying to present an image to win votes and it's something hillary clinton -- >> you get the feeling that hillary clinton's speech was telepromptered and it was like a walter mondale speech in the back days. it didn't sound like it had a whole purpose. when bill ran, it was for people who work hard and play by the rules. and it's economy is stupid and don't forget health care. hillary has no unity or
argument, whereas bernie is one theory about everything. >> but when bill clinton runs is to inflict generational change and apartisan change. you had a republican president in office. he's running against republicans. and bernie is a change from barack obama, saying his policies weren't liberal enough. 40% said they want obama's policies continued. hillary wins those overwhelmingly. and 42% say we want more liberal. he is essentially run a change argument. yes, she's the polished candidate. she does nn't have a changed message because she wants continuity. she wants president obama's policies continued. >> part of the issue here is and
i think there's two things going on and one is the fact that it deep structural conditions and the fact that wages have staginated. when you look at the exit polls, him winning voters, making less than $50,000 a year. the second thing is i can't help but thing back to 2004, right. democrats totally different mindset in the bunker. they're like who can we run against bush? there's no like i'm in a political revolution. it's like can we find a dude who's worn a uniform and now we've run two in a row, maybe we can elect bernie sanders. >> people want all the things he's offering but when he says i'm going to slap a tax on stock market speculation. what does that mean?
>> and that's a totally reasonable policy. you can raise a lot of money. >> what do you tax? >> transactions. >> all transactions? he calls it speculation. >> because if you're buying and holding, you're going to pay essentially nothing. >> and all the retired people in mutual funds are eventually pennile penniless. >> you have younger voters and people saying we're going to get the wall street guys. i was talking to voters undecided and the deciding factors was taxes on them and the question of whether they would be taxed and if you start to talk to people about across the board taxes, then you start to get the brass tax. we have not litigated that part of bernie sanders' agenda at all. >> hillary clinton in 2008 won
working class blue collar men here in new hampshire. she had an argument, the clinton people had, for years, worked that crowd. she's not connecting on these issues of economic security and structural change. >> did she connect tonight? >> it sounded like too much of a speech and i think obama raised the bar. >> why did she emphasize anger? >> because she's trying to find some emotional connection. she's been running as the person who can be the most effective president. >> and i think she was trying to do sanders. >> people have every right to be angry. but they're also hungry. they're hungry for solutions. what are we going to do? i will fight to rain in wall
street and i know how to do it. [ applause ] we have to keep up with every fiber of our being the argument for, the campaign for human rights as women's rights, human rights, as gay rights, human rights as worker rights, human rights across the board for every single american. [ applause ] now, that is who i am. that is what i've always done. that is why i am in this race. >> you know, tonight would have been a night to quietly talk to people about a loss and remind them why you're in politics and why she fought the applause there, why she had a whole series of things to fight the applause with, just in terms of
style. you just lost an election. talk about that and why you're still in the fight. she was imitating bernie and he does it so much better. >> i actually think her -- look, if there's one characteristic you would attribute to hillary clinton, it's resilience. has there been someone more resilient? >> bill. >> bill? hillary clinton has been through it time and time again. >> she has. >> and tonight i thought that was part of what she was channelling and she is not a terrible politician, she's not a jeb bush level disaster but she is not an incredible natural politician. this is clear now on the second campaign. she is a remarkably accomplished individual who is probably the best resume for president ever. >> how would you rate her as a candidate? >> seven as a candidate.
>> but the difference between -- >> what would you say, david? >> i would say six but the thing is she's talking about her resume and how she can do a good job. bernie is talking about a cause. join this cause, join this revolution. those are two very emotionally different pitches and right now the democratic party wants to be part of a crusade and a cause. i think expectations came up with obama and they want the next chapter. >> in 2008 when obama lost, he walked out on that stage and gave mepeople a dream. he went big, he talked about the dream of the country. he has that ability to go beyond the campaign itself and talk about a driving dream. that is not who hillary clinton is. she's a resume. >> david's point about rising
expectations is key. political scientists called revolutions of rising expectations. they happen when people attain something. this is a classic example of that. >> this a tricky one. can you see, in your imagination, hillary over taking bernie sanders in terms of appeal to the country? >> yes, and the reason for that is because we are talking right now about a slice of the electorate that is more liberal and whiter than the electorate we're coming to. i'm telling you black voters are about winning resume. >> i can't see her forging a stronger, better, more enthusiastic -- >> she can't be exciting. >> best moment so far was 11 hours of benghazi. think about what that means. she was at her best when people saw her for 11 hours. their challenge is to boil that
down into what you see. >> there's a different at handling issues, which she's very good. this is a hot topic. it's after midnight. we're in a bar. coming up, the thrill of victory, the agony of defeat. i'm going to speak to three msnbc reporters. watching a special election night edition of "hardball." live from manchester, new hampshire. >> guys are sleeping on mattresses in the campaign headquarters and they hold up a hot plate where they're heating their food. that's how you win elections.
♪ tonight, the light over came the darkness of negative campaigning. [ applause ] and you made it happen. you made it happen. you made it happen. you made it happen. you made it happen. you made it happen. >> welcome back to "hardball." and this special edition early in the morning or evening if you're around california. and i have been watching politics forever, love those personal moments when a guy or woman is caught up in the emotion of victory or defeat and
you get a little honesty, no, a personal revelation of what kind of person they are. let's bring in msnbc's, three of their top reporters. and why don't you two reporters compare notes. let's talk now about what jeb bush said tonight. let's watch jeb bush. >> this campaign is not dead. we're going on to south carolina. we also need someone that can defeat hillary clinton in the fall and apparently maybe bernie sanders as well. who knows. >> and i've been down so long -- he's in fourth or fifth and he's really happy. >> third is the new first. didn't marco rubio set that standard in iowa. this is a campaign left for dead.
he said people have written my obituary. he feels like he's been give an new life. i will tell you the energy in that room -- >> go through the numbers. trump the big guy, 35. john kasich leading and then cruz, bush, rubio all within one. >> and all of them have an argument to make about south carolina and going forward and reasons that they're going to do that, although rubio is the only one tonight that gave an apology. he told his supporters what happened on friday -- what happened in the debate won't happen again. >> he repeated himself five times because he was apparently shook. >> he says he's not going to be shaken again. shaken not stirred. there's a lot of exhaustion at play but there also is, that's very much if you go to any of his events, you will see he has these standard lines as they all
do. >> i think he's the worst in that regard. he's very much a robot guy. who's your candidate and why is he happy? >> look, what we heard from marco rubio tonight was stunning. i was at the clinton campaign headquarters and she tried to spin this loss. it was a bruising defeat tonight. they were hoping they could hold the loss to single digits. and then they were hoping it would be within 10. it was a lot higher than that. >> why is he so transparently, obviously miserable when she was speaking? >> i think bill clinton has been sticking to his script with the exception of sunday night when he really let loose. >> why is he not happy when she's speaking? >> i think wheels are turning in his head. i've been talking to sources close in the campaign, there a
little bit of a retooling going on. she knows she's got to be sharper. >> does she know why she's running? >> tlarlhat's a question for he. >> that's the message. >> i think you're going to hear moving forward, very focussed on wall street tonight. >> she's just doing what he's doing. >> but i think it's going to be a tough sell. i think tatslk that's going to challenge. what she's going to do is go after him on the issue of taxes. >> that will be great because what he says, paid for by the government, big increases in social security benefits without taxing the individual. big. >> she hasn't been talking about it at all. >> but when he said medicare for life. that's a big statement. you pay into it and get 10 or 15
years at the end of your life and that's the model. he's acting luke we're going to get it from the time we're born. >> i think there's a sense among some of the campaign, possibly clinton as well, they wish she had started talking about what you're saying earlier until waiting for it to become a real race. >> now it looks like she's attacking because he's beating her. >> and i have been with bernie sanders for the last week 1/2. >> you've heard it so many times. he does it so differently. he doesn't use the teleprompters, which are so phoney and you can always see them. he looks up and down like a professor and there's something genuine about it. >> and that's what is resonating with a lot of these young people. he carries the same -- it's like
all crumpled like he spilled water on one page. >> like a professor who's been teaching english lit. >> and i thought he was a policy guy for the longest time because he's there with this manila folder. but there's something going on here that the clintons completely missed and you folked on this a ton but working class, blue collar voters, they are voters not with obama in the primary in 2008 and they are with bernie sanders huge numbers and they went for her, hillary clinton, in 2008 and that's what the sanders' campaign sees as the key piece of a coalition. >> can you tell why a 55-year-old white guy who's making 40 or 50 lucky that year, why would he turn to bernie
rather than trump? >> i think that the trump supporters, people who showed up at trump rallies, much more likely to say i'll think about bernie too than people at bernie sanders rallies. much more likely to say i have these core believes driving me. they feel excluded from the ecaneo economy. on the republican side, it's i want to be like that guy. and on sanders side, it's the whole system is wrong. we need change it. >> and a lot of a people who come from europe, they do bring that social democratic tradition with them. they don't consider it weird. their parents talked like that. anyway, thank you. a lot of chris's around here. good nite to everybody. i'm going to get a pizza after this.
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>> well, senator cruz, before you get to this place called nevada, you might want to start in nevada because they may need you name it correctly. and there was a lot of congestion in the republican lane as rubio acknowledged his disappointment and he said he's reset the race. >> the pundt sas had it all figd out when the iowa caucuses were complete. they said it was a three person race between a reality tv star and two freshman senators and the reality tv star is doing well and it looks like you all have reset the race and for that, i'm really grateful. >> and i'm joined by some hot shots. well, he writes everything, he
never stops writing and reporting. and ellie, fran cheskau chambers from the british press. and i'm going to -- howard, what is it about these old wasps think they're confident in defeat? >> it only cost $35 million to end up in fourth place with 11%. however, his point is, and i think it's valid. let's say stock car racing, donald trump is jeff gordon. he's five laps ahead, you got four guile guys trying to crash for that roll to be the nond nondonald trump, it's true.
jeb is still part of that. not a big part of it, it's basically rubio and cruz. but i would look at cruz as the likely number two going down the road. >> i see him in his own lane. i see trump sort of in the middle. >> i see trump and cruz sort of in that same lane and everybody else in the different lane. >> that's one way to do it. >> bush's people told me they're really hopeful for south carolina. >> who's hopeful? >> bush's campaign. >> what else are they going to be? >> this is amazing to me that eight years after his presidency ended in flames is they think gorge w. bush can pull off south carolina for his brother. the bushes are golden. >> i see it more like the march madness in a basketball game. i went to the university of kansas. so, i is a basketball game going
on and on one side of the bracket you have donald trump versus ted cruz and then you have a rubio versus bush and john kasich is your wild card. he's the 16th seed trying to get in there. >> i'm waiting to hear what sport ben ginsburg is. >> you know everything we don't know. >> so, i look at this as going to a fair and you have one of those horse races and you got three different lanes that you're dealing with. a trump lane, clear, a cruz lane because he's got evangelicals and lib ruitarians and then you is a third lane of all the establishment republicans. by the time you get to a convention it's a 1/3, 1/3, nobody's nominated. >> so, with those three lanes, which two get married and screw the other lane?
>> 85% of them are unpledged. >> is that fun? >> who knows. >> i can tell you, chris. this is great news for ben he's going to be the convention score card guy. >> people voted today like mad. beautiful weather. young people voted. lower case "t." that's a good thing for you too. and thank you. this special edition of "hardball" continues live from in. new hampshire after this.
♪ what a night it has been here in new hampshire. first in the nation primary. the political year still young that continues to surprise early on. let's take a look at what we have learned toonlnight, the ra we have called and determined. this was the first call of the night, the projected winner for the democrats. bernie sanders as expected. if you want to anger the