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>> i said i actually think they like me a lot and then all of a sudden we started getting numbers in and they said "how come they like trump so much?" >> because of a huge voter turnout -- and i say huge -- we won. >> so notch, i want to thank you. we love you, we'll be back a lot. we won't forget you. you started it. remember, you started it. new hampshire started it. good morning, welcome to "morning joe," we are live in manchester, new hampshire, on the heels of last night's historic primary vote. >> it was a political earthquake on both sides of the aisle the likes of which nobody has seen certainly in modern american politics. donald trump. he often talks about being a winner but last night he proved in the the biggest way possible as turnout on the republican
side was record-breaking and he won every category. >> the billionaire businessman took 35% of the vote with some t support of some 92,000 voters. that's more than 50,000 votes ahead of his nearest competitor. >> over twice as much as john kasich. on the democratic side it was bernie sanders with a massive victory. massive victory over hillary clinton. the 74-year-old topped clinton by an eye-popping 22 points 60% to 38%. and the most shocking number of the night -- and there were so many -- the 38% below hillary clinton as the democratic accomplishment's candidate in home field territory for what's always been home field territory -- >> she won this place. >> she won many this place eight years ago, we were talking about what a remarkable comeback she had and connection she had to the state of new hampshire. last night 38%.
this is a campaign in complete disarray. >> new hampshire, i think she once said, is where she found her voice. i think last night she lost a step or two and the campaign will have to regroup and that's apparently what they're doing. >> willie, if you look at the headlines, let's start with the "union leader" "sanders, trump, take new hampshire." this is, of course, new hampshire's most important newspaper but a paper that was a war with donald trump and a paper that had little to no influence last night. and then you look at the "usa today" "bernie sanders and trump take new hampshire" which is also the same headline in the "boston globe" right there. so willie, what are your take aways? >> if one of these events had happened it would have been histor historic. but when you have both of those people winning last night, bernie sanders a democratic socialist, a guy who was down by 50 points going up against the clinton machine, winning by 22
points and a number that's raising red flags in the clinton campaign this morning i can tell you, she lost according to nbc exit polls women by 11 points last night. not just young women, she lost women by 11 points to bernie sanders last night. >> that's stunning. >> we have mike barnicle, robert costa and steve kornacki. mike, go. >> it's an earth-shaking development when you consider the reality that it's quite possible that the republican nomination for president might be wrapped up before the democratic nomination for the president. >> wow. >> steve coor knakornacki, i wa watching you last night trying to figure out where the trend lines were and maybe kasich will do better in college towns, maybe bernie will do better in college towns. no, it was a sweeping revolution on both sides. i couldn't believe in both races sanders and trump just blanketed this state top to bottom. >> here's the number that sticks out at me. you mentioned this. eight years ago, hillary clinton won up here. it was a three-way race.
john edwards was in the race. last night that was two-way race. but eight years ago she got 39%, winning a three-way race in the state. last night a two-way race she got 38%. she lost a point in eight years despite going from running against two opponents to one opponent and willie i think mentioned this, too, you've been hearing the spin the last few days from the clinton campaign anticipating they were going to lose last night saying "oh, he's got the advantage, he's from the next door neighbor state." i went back to make sure. the first poll in new hampshire after bernie sanders announced he was running for president last year was 62-18 for hillary clinton. in the final result last night, 60-38 bernie sanders. >> bob costa, on the republican side, just seven days ago people were dancing on donald trump's grave. everybody was calling him loser. a lot of media people were saying it was the end. last night trump did the same thing on the republican side. he routed the establishment. destroyed them top to bottom.
>> donald trump is redefining republican politics. he's redefining how you run a campaign. they say because he wasn't on the ground here holding a hundred town halls he would lose new hampshire. no, he didn't lose new hampshire, he won by a convincing margin. and this is not just an isolated incident for trump. he now moves on to favorable terrain, south carolina, the deep south on super tuesday. what you're seeing also is a newly confident trump, a different trump than the one we saw come down the escalator in the summer, someone more seasoned on the national stage, sees the nomination within sight. >> the problem for the establishment, bob, is people talk about how trump's been ahead in these new hampshire polls. trump's been ahead in south carolina and in the s.e.c. primaries non-stop and by bigger stop than up here sometimes. >> in fact, based on my reporting, i would argue south carolina is trump's strongest state, has been leading there by huge margins for about a year and when you look at who won there in 2012, a rogue republican, a populist, newt gingrich, who loved clashing
with the media, it's his kind of state for trump. >> and finally marco rubio. does rubio survive a fifth-place finish? does he go on -- does he -- because rubio said he was going to be third place in iowa, second place here, and first place in south carolina. >> it wasn't crippling last night. >> he went 3, 5 -- >> his strategy has been an entirely upended. he wanted to go 3, 2, 1 in the first three contests. now you're looking at rubio struggling. he turned his whole argument in his speech last night, he blamed himself for the debate but we see how campaigns matter. rubio stumbled in the debate. in this late-breaking state it hurt him in ways it's hard to fathom. >> we'll look at second, third and fourth place which are stories within itself but trump was declared the winner as soon as polls closed last night and he went before supporters chanting "usa" at a victory rally in manchester, new hampshire, with a speech focused on family and the road ahead. >> i really have to begin by
paying homage to my parents mary and fred. they're up there, they're looking down, they're saying "this is something very special." they loved this country and they're very, very happy right now. we have to thank the candidates because they really read -- we have some very talented people and to be victorious against some of these people, even if it's for one week -- but believe me, it's going to be for many weeks, okay? now that i got that over with -- [ laughter ] it's always tough and then tomorrow, boom, boom. i'll tell you what. what do we really want to thank, right? we want to thank the people of new hampshire, right? [ cheers and applause ] do we love the people of new hampshire? don't believe those phony numbers when you hear 4.9% and 5% unemployment. the numbers are probably 28%, 29%, as high as 35%. in fact, i heard recently 42%. do you think we'd have gatherings like this if we
had -- if we had 5% unemployment, do you really think we'd have these gatherings? >> you know, speaking of numbers, willie geist, a lot of pollsters across america exhale add sigh of relief. iowa was a one off. the most shocking thing about last night's results, the most surprising thing would be no surprise at all, it was how close the polls had it nailed and they really did. >> the polls were right and the question here in new hampshire as it was in iowa were do these big crowds that donald trump draws turn out and vote. and some people could say after iowa well, maybe not. maybe those people didn't come out. now he can write that off as a caucus loss. but here they've turned out and almost matched the polling coming in. remember yesterday people were saying well, he won't win by 20 points and bernie won't win by 20 points, those numbers are crazy. well, donald almost won by 20 points and bernie won by 22
points and donald trump as an insurgent candidate, i looked up, pat buchanan in '96 won by less than one point and that was a remarkable earth-shaking victory. donald trump won by almost 20 points. he's more than an insurgent candidate now. he's leading the field in south carolina. >> it's a huge field. we have a lot to plow through because just as huge is bernie sanders win but important to note that in donald trump's hometown this morning -- >> some media is not taking this lightly. >> today's "daily news" declares trump's resounding new hampshire victory "dawn of the brain dead." [ laughter ] this cover comes just a week after he declared his chances dead. >> they said a week ago he was dead. >> it's not the only ones that prematurely predicted his demise. and five thirty-eight said "if
rubio is a blue chip stock, trump is a risky mortgage backed security." he said maybe iowa was just a fluke but iowa was the first state to have voted. iowa might even prove to be trump's high-watermark. rubio and cruz will get more coverage now and trump has lost his sheen of invincibility. >> row. >> rich lowry of the national review tweeted "breaking, shameless panderer with a taste for scurrilous underhanded attack loses iowa." republican strategist liz mair tweeted she sent $15 to send trump a jumbo pack of kleenex and later tweeted "ever notice how trump can't win anything outright? he sues, goes chapter 11, calls for new votes, claims people ineligible." maggie haber mman of the "new yk times" tweeted "donald trump has new title, loser." ari fleisher tweeted "looks like trump will need to say how to
congratulations in canadian." erick erickson, formerly of red state wrote "trump organization in iowa was the jackalope of politics, but you had to go see for yourself but not rely on polling." and ben howe of red state tweeted "i think there's a good chance trump could lose much, too." >> a lot of my friends there. i didn't know that was happening. but anyway, that's fine. but mike it was telling that everybody last week wrote trump off and what we said on this show the morning after when everybody was panting and breathless was that donald trump got the second-highest vote total in the history of iowa politics. they aimed for 45,000 votes, they got 46,000 votes. as we said last week in realtime, iowa was the story of ted cruz's remarkable turnout operation. so all of these people that were panting breathlessly were dead
wrong, just like those that are underestimating him still are dead wrong. just like they've been dead wrong for six months. >> one of the keys to understanding insurgencies is you have to talk to the insurgents. robert knows this. steve knows this. you go out there and talk to the people who go to two rallies -- trump rallies and sanders rallies. and they're amazingly akin at many, many levels. and to understand it, you have to sit there and watch the crowd react to the candidate, react to what trump says, react to what sanders says and you can feel what -- i was telling robert earlier, i likened it to watching people come out of a variety store after having bought a lottery ticket. nothing else has worked so their lottery ticket is either trump or sanders. this might work for me because nothing else has worked. >> and i tell you what, steve kornacki, we went to a sanders rally and trump rally the day before and trump rallies -- it's a rock show. it's just a complete rock show. we had somebody yesterday going "trump's losing energy."
really. that's like saying zeppelin in '75 had seen their better days. >> i'd never seen anything like it before in my life. >> as far as politics go, i did literally say when my kids and i were getting out of the van, i said "come on, kids, it's time to go to the rock show." because everybody was streaming in and it looked like a concert. >> so excited. >> when we went to a bernie sanders concert, it was -- okay, this is going to -- i should sound more cynical. >> it was a smaller venue. >> i was sound more cynical. it seemed like one of the purest, sincerest gathering of people i've been too. here i am, obviously, a conservative, a republican, people coming up hugging me saying "what do you think of this?" they were so excited to be there and when bernie took the stage in person, completely different than on tv, he just commands the stage and it's a pretty remarkable thing he's doing on the democratic side. >> the other thing, when you look at those results last night
on the democratic side is he's doing something we don't fully appreciate. there's a sense that hillary clinton has a firewall down south, particularly in south carolina because of her support from black voters. that's true. bernie sanders has to make real inroads with black voters right now. but here's the other thing, the sense that he has the white voters that barack obama had and none of the black voters that barack obama had. he also has -- and he got this last night -- the white working class voters up here that hillary clinton had in 2008. he won these old mill towns in new hampshire last night -- >> you're talking like berlin last night. that was hillary country but last night it was bernie country. >> down by rochester, getting toward the seacoast. the reason hillary clinton was able to beat barack obama in 2008 were these white working class voters. that has primary stretched out in '08, she won pennsylvania, ohio, appalachia, she was because of white working class voters. what sanders did up here and if he can rememberly kate this out of new hampshire, this is significant. he's winning voters who kept hillary afloat in 2008, those
white working class voters. so if he has that, if he has the college crowd that obama had in 2008, the college-educated crowd and if he can add black voters down south, some of them at least, that's a coalition that could make this thing stronger than you realize. >> he's exactly right. you look at towns like berlin that are white working class that saved hillary, they all went for bernie last night. and remember the streak of states, ohio, kentucky, pennsylvania p west virginia, texas, all of these states were states that hillary had to win and she won every single one of them with white working class voters. >> and unlike on the republican side, one thing won with bernie sanders, a message, a very clear message. i mean, you could look at donald trump's win, there are other attributes he brings to the table, success, his branding strategy, people who want to aspire to be like him.
with bernie it was the message. >> i've got to say, even the speech last night with hillary, it's so frustratinfrustrating, willie, starting with you, willie, just watching hillary clinton. her speech last night was "i'll get the things done. i'll get the things --" like what are your issues? why are you running? whether we have her on the show when we interview her or we see -- >> she gives really long lists. >> it's basically the same argument some on the republican side have whose chances have collapsed. he can win. remember rick santorum, why do you support him? because he can win. >> tom harkin said that in iowa. >> it was interesting watching hillary clinton's speech, and we'll play in the a few minutes. the debrgree to which bernie sanders has shaped the conversation in this case. hillary clinton, famous centrist and moderate, sounded like a social justice warrior talking about the things that bernie sanders has been talking about his whole life. hillary clinton now is following
bernie sanders' lead in this race. >> i don't know how she closes that gap. >> the clintons left here last night in the middle of the night having lost this state that's been so critical to their careers. they left with one underlying real danger signal out there, and steve was just alluding to it. berlin, new hampshire, lebanon, new hampshire. working class towns. white working class women were an automatic for hillary clinton for years. an automatic for bill clinton for years. no longer an automatic. >> a lot of dynamics to that. >> she lost women by 11 points. >> we will -- we'll be looking at that closer coming up. coming up on "morning joe," the winner of last night's republican primary, donald trump, joins us for a live interview. plus former governor jeb bush who's already hitting the ground in south carolina. also with us, "hardball's" chris
matthews, jennifer horn and former romney advisor stuart stevens on where this race will ultimately be decided. up next, barack obama installed a basketball court at the white house. will bernie sanders be using it? >> and by the way he's making these. i'm sorry, that's not automatic. i saw this last night. >> this is what he did right after he won. >> automatic. >> before he spoke. >> i'm sorry, come on. >> kasie hunt was there. >> that was a per if ekt shfect >> when we come back, listen to bernie, his victory speech last night as we go to break. >> together we have sent the message that will echo from wall street to washington, from maine to california. [ cheers and applause ] and that is that the government of our great country belongs to all of the people and not just a
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>> i know i have some work to do, particularly with young people but i will repeat again what i have said this week -- [ cheers and applause ] >> even if they are not supporting me now, i support them. more than 700,000 people have contributed to this campaign. the vast majority giving less than $100. i know that doesn't fit with the narrative. i know there are those who want to deny the passion and the purpose you all show everyday for this campaign. but you are the reason we are here and you are the reason we are going to win the nomination and then win this election together. thank you all! thank you so very much! hillary clinton conceding new hampshire yesterday. joining us now, msnbc political correspondent kasie hunt.
almost sounded like a victory speech to an extent in tone. >> well, i guess, except for the fact she got 38%. kasie, you followed bernie yesterday. what is he doing today? >> he's in new york today. we're talking about -- you were talking about the coalition he's trying to build and he's starting out trying to make inroads with african-american communities, having breakfast with al sharpton this morning in harlem. it's a bit of a twist if for clinton folks because that's where bill clinton went and set up his office afterward. so he's doing a ton of media interviews. >> i will tell you, one of al sharpton's pet peeves for a very long time has been democratic candidates taking black voters for granted. that's a very strategic and important meeting him this morning. but kasie, there are so many
people that are good at planned spontaneity. bernie, though, this guy is an merge original. >> i covered senator sanders in the senate a few years, i asked him a question as he was taking a walk around concord because he felt like taking a walk. >> you came on the walk, too. >> it was surreal. [ laughter ] i said "senator sanders, what did you have for breakfast on election day." and he looked at me with the chilliest face and said "is that one of the important issues facing the united states?" sanders has not changed. that authenticity in the year of the populist has real resonance. >> that basketball game, i was in the room when he was shooting the hoops with grand kids. he got off the phone with hillary clinton who called to concede. this is a guy who's very much -- he's struggling to fit his
authentic life into this presidential race. >> i was in touch with someone who worked for and with hillary clinton for a long time, not working on this campaign and said "not time to panic yet but let's talk after nevada and south carolina. if this is close to repeated there, we here in big trouble." >> of course, one of the problems with the clinton campaign is that harry reid fought like hell to get nevada before south carolina. since he's a hillary supporter, that's something he may regret because bernie may be stronger in nevada. >> it's an interesting state. it's a wild card here. there hasn't been any good reliable polling out of nevada. you're looking at a caucus there so potentially maybe more bernie sanders's crowd. the turnout might be lower there. you look at the strength hillary clinton has with non-white voters, there's in evidence the polling she's a lot stronger -- when you say non-white voters,
she's stronger with african-american voters than latino voters. latino voters are much bigger part of the scene in the nevada caucuses than african-american voters so there are some ingredients potentially in place there and labor as well. ingredients in place there for bernie sanders to make a run in nevada. if he could ever follow up new hampshire with a win in nevada, this whole idea that oh, it's just the first two states, outliers, that goes out the window. >> willie, let's talk about marco rubio for a second, no doubt on the republican side the loser of the night. there was the bizarre scene earlier in the day where somebody dressed as a robot was attacked. >> kind of brought the -- >> attacked and thrown to the ground by rubio supporters who were obviously frustrated? >> like a "saturday night live" skit. >> american bridge is a progressive super pac and they sent out all over the state these people dressed as robots that would appear wherever marco rubio was to drive home the point that he was robotic in that debate. it had an impact. bob costa talked about it.
a debate that happens a couple nights before is going to imp t impact -- the moment like that impacts the voting. >> you saw somebody about to take him down then a cameraman take around and he stopped? >> let him go. rubio came in fifth but within a couple thousand streets of third place. >> that's a big problem for rubio. rubio needed to finish higher. he was -- because now bush is ahead of him, kasich is ahead of him, rubio's whole strategy was to consolidate the establishment lane. now the establishment rivals, they're still the race, they see a rationale to go on to south carolina and jeb bush, his mentor, not getting out of the race, fighting on to south carolina, that's tough for rubio. >> it's a competitive thing, too. authenticity is so important to the electorate right now and he tried to cultivate that he was into cool music, wanted to hang out with you. this is opposite of an image
they are so carefully crafting. and coming out of iowa saying we have the hot hand, we'll sweep in to he planned on second place and then ending up in fifth place. it doesn't matter whether it's one vote or a thousand votes, when you have to call people for money say "can i have money" they're thinking one thing -- fifth place. >> so here's marco rubio last night. he really had no other option but to own it and take the blame for his underwhelming performance which i think started with that rick santorum interview here on "morning joe" and went downhill from there during the debate. here's rubio. >> i know many people are disappointed. i'm disappointed with tonight. i want you to understand something, our disappointment is not on you, it's on me. it's on me. i do not do well on saturday night.
listen to this -- that will never happen again. [ cheers and applause ] >> the other thing i'll point out, he doesn't look like he ever expects to lose. he sweats, he's clammy, he can not believe it. he used to winning, he is used to being told "you got this." he's used to being given the line that works and when it doesn't work he looks completely thrown off. >> i will say this and i so much of politics does have to do with show biz. a little bit of powder before he went out on stage would have gone a long way. >> i'm not sure. >> i say that as a tv guy. i make sure they put enough powder on me that i look like david bowie. i'm a sweater from way back, my friends, i just am. fifth grade play singing "apple for the teacher," it's ugly. i go into meltdown mode. >> this is different. >> the problem is, bob kos tarks
, it's about expectations, trump was expected to win iowa, he didn't win iowa, but trump answered. marco has to answer in a big way next week and i'm not exactly sure how he does it with, as you said, bush ahead of him, cruz ahead of him, kasich ahead of him. >> real quick. >> not just the february 20 primary, it's the upcoming saturday debate in south carolina. he has to prove himself. coming up, it's safe to say the republican party will never be the same. we're joined live by donald trump who is rewriting the rules of presidential politics on his own terms. >> the man never sleeps, by the way. >> and some terms he uses people are shocked by. the presidential candidate joins us next on "morning joe." the future belongs to the fast.
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to tell you that. >> my gosh, it's 40 past the hour. we have so much to get to. the huffington post breaks down the dollars spent per vote in new hampshire, finding jeb bush and his super pac have once again spent the most, about $1200 each. that's about 30 times the amount that donald trump spent. roughly $40 per vote. other high spenders include chris christie at about $850 per vote, marco rubio spent about $508 per vote. you'll also notice that ted cruz down at the bottom there spent only about $18 per vote. what does this mean? >> what it means is donald trump once again is getting the most bang for his buck. it's not even a close call. this guy is living off the fat of the land. not only is he rolling up these massive victories, everything we have heard about big money in politics, donald trump and bernie sanders are making a lie of all of those arguments and blowing them up. i do want to talk about rubio,
though. we were talking about how rubio's third-place finish in iowa is proclaimed as this great victory, now he's fifth place. one sure sign that marco rubio is taking on water is frank luntz, who was talking about marco rubio and all around marco rubio and in marco rubio's corner, now frank is hovering around donald trump and calling trump's people and sitting down with trump and -- wasn't this -- wasn't luntz a guy who just a couple weeks ago who said we have to take donald trump down? >> when i saw luntz at the last republican debate, he had a lot of concern about trump's possibility of being the nominee. but i think what you're seeing -- what you're perhaps seeing with luntz and many people in the republican establishment is they think trump could be the nominee and they're trying to get on that ship. the calls coming into the trump campaign last night from people who were top figures in the party, it's striking, there's still a sense that cruz could do
it, that rubio or kasich could pick up that establishment baton but right now it's trump and the establishment. they're warming to each other. >> how quickly things change. >> and it's amazing that people like frank luntz saying two weeks ago donald trump has to be destroyed are now the ones chasing after donald trump. it's not just frank, a guy i know and like, but the entire republican establishment who, boy, take what they said seven days ago after iowa, match it to now and, my gosh, you would almost think people are cynical in politics. joining us now by phone, republican presidential candidate donald trump. congratulations, donald. >> and, donald, you wake up this morning with some new friends who wanted you destroyed just a week ago. >> well, that's actually been happening for a couple of weeks, joe. people are calling and they want to be involved and you know what? that's fine. i think that's a good thing, not a bad thing. but we certainly have a lot of people wanting to be involved who weren't liking me so much -- forgetting about iowa which, actually, in a certain way was quite successful, but they
weren't liking me so much a couple of months ago, that i can tell you. >> so donald what happened last night? the numbers are staggering. i've got steve kornacki here who said you just swept through the entire state. you won every region. you won every county. what happened? >> well, i've had a great relationship with the people of new hampshire. we'd go around and you get to see it yourself. you were at one event. every event we had we were packed. we had hundreds and hundreds of people, sometimes thousands of people outside on small venues. i mean, you'd have a small venue that holds 200 people, it would have 3,000, 4,000 people standing outside. so that's not a bad sign. and we would just -- it was absolutely amazing. it was amazing. the love that was in the state of new hampshire. they're great people up there. i know them long before the politics thing i've known them. >> from iowa to new hampshire and now looking ahead to south carolina, the next big one, what have you learned along the way? what things are you changing?
maybe what wouldn't you do again and what is working? >> well, i think the message is the same. it started out, mika, with trade and very strong on trade. we're being ripped off by everybody and i guess that's the thing that bernie sanders and myself have in common, you know, we know about the trade. but unfortunately he can't do anything to fix it whereas i will. i have the best people in the world that will fix it. we're losing hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars a year and we fix it and make it good and bring jobs back and do a lot of things and bernie sanders can't even think in terms of that. the only thing he does know and he's right about is that we're being ripped off and he says that constantly and i guess he and i are the only two that really say that. but that's where it began and it also was the border. a and then you had the paris attack and it became isis and security and because i was far and away the strongest on border, i think people viewed me as strongest on security
generally. they sort of morph into each other and it's been amazing. then you get -- you know, i'm very much against common core which is education from washington, you can forget it, we'll do local education. not -- forget about cost, it's less costly, far less costly, but far better. and you look at our rankings on education in the world, we're number 30 in the world, which is ridiculous. number one in cost. and second amendment, we're protecting our second amendment and so many other things but it really did after the paris attack it took a different turn and it wasn't my turn, it was the people's turn. i saw that. they want protection. and they viewed me as somebody that's going to take care of them, and i will. >> donald, it's willie, good morning and congratulations. >> hi, willie. >> you are obviously the story here, you and bernie sanders. that's a historic win last night. beneath your storyline, though, some people talking about john kasich surprisingly coming up and finishing in second place with a good showing for him. we haven't heard you talk much
about john kasich in this race. as you move forward, what are your impressions of him? what do you think about him? >> well, i like him a lot, i think he's a nice guy. unfortunately, going to the airport two days ago i heard a commercial and the commercial was a little bit negative and i said i wonder who did that commercial. it was a negative commercial of me and it was john kasich so maybe i'm not in love with him as much as i was prior to hearing the commercial. it was a false commercial. i thought it would be somebody else but it wasn't, it was john. so perhaps we would have had to take a tougher stance. i was surprised to hear it. he talked about he's not going negative but he's doing a negative commercial on me. i didn't like that. >> do you think he's been a good governor of ohio? >> well, i think he hit oil, that's what i think. what happened is he got lucky but he also let them go after it, unlike other governors where they didn't let him go after it. they were fracking in ohio. they hit oil in prime time when the prices were at a high and
that makes up for a lot of sins. it makes up for a lot of errors and difficulties so i think this was a very positive thing for john. a lot of people didn't want them to go frack and he said go frack and frankly that made a huge difference for ohio. >> who's your biggest threat going forward. we've gotten through iowa and new hampshire. as you assess the republican field, who's the biggest threat to you? >> honestly, willie, they all are. they're all smart, intelligent, very accomplished people. i wouldn't necessarily pick one. john is a little bit closer than the other bus that could be an outlier. you're right, i was listening to you before, you know, the polling was just about exactly right. we had the polling 34%, 35%, the result was even a little higher
than the polling. i think they're all potential threats but i'm okay at handling threats. >> mike barnicle? >> donald, i'm going to describe a voter to you and i would like you to tell us how you are going to woo and win this voter as we proceed forward across this long haul. she's a 48-year-old woman, she makes $52,000 a year, she has two children in high school, she's not particularly political. trade, immigration are not her hot buttons. tell me how do you intend to get her to vote for you? how do you get her to stay in your corner? >> well, you know, one of the things we're going to be doing and s repealing and replacing obamacare. people are absolutely in terms of health care, she's got children and i guarantee you that she probably doesn't have health care and if she does it's terrible, it's obamacare related and honestly obamacare is a disaster. the premiums are going -- you have to see the numbers.
they're going 25%, 35%, 45% up. the deductibles are impossible. unless you get hit by a truck you'll never be able to use it and it's a real disaster. and i'm not saying this from a political standpoint. let it work, i wish it worked but it's a disaster for people and a woman like that needs help from the health care standpoint and believe me i guarantee you one thing there are other things we can talk about but one of the things that they are not being helped with is health care. so we have a some great concepts for much better health care at a much lower cost and also at a lower cost for the country. obamacare is a very, very massive expense for our country and two years from now it's -- it's going to be impossible. so it will be very good for her. >> would you keep it or fix it, obamacare? >> i'd rather get rid of it and have a beautiful new plan and
concept. i would much rather repeal it and replace it. it's very complex. keeping it and doing a patchwork job, i don't like. we should come out of the box with something great and i think we'll get great support from congress and i do that. i mean, i know all of these people, i know all of the players and they want to see it, too, so i think we'll do it. >> robert costa? >> mr. trump, good morning. >> hi, bob. >> let's learn a little bit about your skills as a politician. tell me, have you reached out to governor christie in the last 12 hours? if so, what was that conversation like? if not, are you going to reach out, try to get his endorsement, try to rally establishment support behind you? >> well, you know, i never thought of myself as a politician but jeb bush said he's a highly gifted politician, he is a gifted, gifted politician. and i said i am? i didn't know that. so sort of interesting. and actually sort of nice. i think that chris did an
amazing job in terms of the debate adds a prosecutor and he's a friend of mine and he called me last night and we had a long talk and he's a little disappointed because he really did do a great job, he did an amazing job during that debate. i was witness to it because i was standing next to marco -- who i like very much -- and, you know, it was a strange kind of a situation going on there. it was a little bit strange and marco understands that and he'll be able to fix it, i hope. >> well, donald trump, congratulations. how's your family holding up at this point watching this? >> everyone's great. it was great seeing you, you guys have been supporters and appreciate it. and not necessarily supporters but at least believers. you said to potential. the same thing with bob. other people have said wait a minute, he's successful as a developer and a business guy but he's not a politician and bob
gotten a early glance and appreciate bob's fair reporting in the "washington post." very much so. >> well, i will tell you what when you say "supported" you're talking about how actually -- you're talking about bob, mika, myself, also halperin, willie and those of us around the table. there were a handful of people who for six months have been saying say i ing what happened last month could happen and the rest of the media world -- has been mocking and ridiculing what he's done. >> this is kind of important. because from the get-go -- i mean, i don't agree -- donald and i have not agreed on things ever since we started talking about pageants on "morning joe" so it's not like donald and i have the same world view. you guys might in some ways. but we knew that he could do this from the get go. so i think the sense is that we believed that his talents actually could follow through and translate into something while everyone else
underestimated him. >> well, mika -- hey, joe, i just want to say, i watched you two with some of your guests kbwho are so angry that they could not breathe on your show. the anger was incredible. the lack of anything -- i've never seen anything like it, actually. in fact you were upset because you said how could i have guests like that this whether it was good, bad or indifferent. i watch that and it was amazing. i wonder where those people are today and hopefully someday they'll be allowed back on your show. >> thank you, donald. >> they can come any time they want. willie, i want to talk about that. it is no, we're not going to go, just stop. people keep yelling in my ear. we're not going to go. just stop. willie, what we have seen and i think now is a great time to stop and talk about it, what we have seen for six months, eight months since july and this has been a rolling narrative on our show.
would hold up a paper and go "it's july 5, donald can't do anything." well, it's into august, well, it's into september and we've heard the same thing over and over and over again from all the smart people in new york and washington -- >> people stormed off our set. >> that donald trump couldn't win. he couldn't even be relevant and here we are. and bob costa along with halperin was saying this and how stunning, here we are in february and he has done it. >> some people have confused reporting what we're seeing with advocacy. we're looking at numbers, we're talking to people not in new york and washington but in the country and saying he has his finger on the pulse of something that people didn't recognize. did i think when he descended the escalator on june 16 into the bowels of trump tower that he would be winning new hampshire? i can't say so. but i knew he was smart, i knew he was talented and so as the months went on it became harder
and harder to deny what we were seeing in front of our faces. >> exactly right. i've heard advocacy from people before or support. donald said support. it's not support. i dare say i'm the only one -- >> somebody yelled at you for this is the tank. >> governor sununu, in fact. and i would dare say that i'm the only person who had hung up on donald trump on live televisi television. and we've been critical of his approach towards muslims, we said he went too for on john mccain. >> i would haven't used the word he used the other night. >> same thing there. but at the same time, our job and bob in part your job is to be an analyst and say whether we support him or not, whether we're going to vote for him or not, whether we agree with him or not, our job is to talk about how this race is going to look. >> i just find him as a reporter to be a compelling story. army year ago i spoke to trump and he was hiring corey lewandowski. he was hiring people in iowa, in
south carolina and there's a sense in february of 2015 on my reporting that he was going to run a serious campaign, that he was likely to run and i followed the story and i think if you look for the clues over the past year, you saw trump really entering the arena and wanting to do it. and what we saw last night was the culmination of that effort. >> and by the way, anybody who thinks they know how i'm going to vote has no idea. because i'm like new hampshire voters, steve kornacki, i don't know who i'm going to vote for. >> same here. >> i had no idea in 2012 that i was going to go and immediately look at the list and vote for ron paul, but i did. and i have no idea who i'm going to vote for this time, either, but at the same time my job here is to be sort of like a political john madden, it doesn't matter whether i coach the raiders or not, if you've got a quarterback with a hot hand you say that quarterback's got a hot hand and he can take this team to the super bowl. >> i can understand why at the
beginning people were so skeptical of donald trump saying "this will be a flash in the pan, we saw those candidates in 2012 who erupted for two weeks and faded." but there was evidence that started mounting very early that this was different. when he survived the first media firestorm, when his poll numbers started going down, when he had that rally in arizona. i think it was clear by the end of the summer that this was a very different phenomenon than we'd seen before. and there were these voices, the political science type, maybe the data journalism type whobs were saying "nothing to see here." >> throw out the rule book. >> clear through into january. they stopped for the week into iowa, they started chirping into iowa. we heard a lot eight days ago and i heard it last night. >> you spent time with corey, he's like the political ari emanuel. hot head. coming up at this point, there are still nine gop candidates officially in the race. how the crowded field is impacting the party's chances of
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>> they're throwing everything at me except the kitchen sink and i have the feeling that kitchen sink is coming pretty soon as well. >> now we take this campaign to the entire country. we are going to fight for every vote in every state. >> thank you, new hampshire. and now it's on to nevada, south carolina, and beyond. >> top of the hour, bernie sanders big win over hillary clinton is one for the record books. >> wow. >> his margin of victory nearly 50,000 votes, marks the widest ever gap in a contested new hampshire democratic primary. >> can you believe it? mika, we've been talking about donald trump, marco rubio's collapse, there is not a single number more stunning than the 38% next to hillary clinton's name and the fact that hillary lost women by 11%. >> a state she won. a state where she found her
voice. nbc news has allocated 15 delegates to sanders and eight to clinton. in addition, clinton has the backing of six of the state's eight superdelegates so the overall count out of new hampshire is sanders 15, clinton 14. combine those with the delegates awarded out of iowa and clinton now leads sanders 44-36 on the long rode to the nomination. >> and, boy, the road just got a lot longer. gene robinson, great to have you here. steve schmidt as well. thank you for being with us. >> so let's look at actually inside the numbers of the results, hillary clinton's loss showed what about what the voters were thinking as they went to the polls last night? >> so as you look at this this race going forward, those numbers show two things now. hillary clinton is in an ideological race. she has a challenger from her left championing what i would call elizabeth warren-ism against clinton-ism for the heart and soul of the democratic
party. she's also now facing a character test. and you look inside these numbers at honest and trustworthy where she was decimated and i think republicans when we think honest and trustworthy we default right away to thinking about the e-mail server, the obfuscations there, the scandals from the 1990s, but democrats when they think of honest and trustworthy with regard to hillary clinton, they're thinking about the wall street speeches. they're thinking about the hundreds of thousands of dollars taken in from goldman sachs and i think now you think about this race this week, you're going to see increasing demands for disclosure of the transcripts of those speeches. what did she say to goldman sachs? there was a goldman sachs trader at one of the meetings saying she sounded like the managing director of the firm when she spoke there. so this will be a big issue and we know on disclosure issues that hillary clinton has been infallible with regard to her mishandling of them going back to travelgate into whitewater in
the 1990s. and this will be a big issue now. >> gene? >> you know, i think steve's analysis is a good one. i wonder how much those issues, the honesty and trustworthy issues will affect her in south carolina. it's also unclear what bernie sanders will get among african-american vote issers there. we'll see how he does with latino voters in nevada. however this is not a good morning for hillary clinton. she got creamed in new hampshire. >> can you think of a parallel in modern american politics where a front-runner -- usually it's pat buchanan comes within three points of the front-runner and it's a disaster. >> it's a revolution. >> gene mccarthy comes in much closer to lbj and he has to get out of the race. here the front-runner gets 38% of the vote, lost by 22 points
in a state that revived bill clinton's campaign in 1992 and saved hillary's in 2008. >> right, exactly. >> any parallel to a loss this sweeping? >> no, of course, you know, this year it doesn't have great parallels, right, because there's no -- there hasn't been a donald trump, there hasn't been anything like this. but, look, she squeaked by in iowa. she got creamed in new hampshire. a lot more people have voted for bernie sanders, a lot more democrats. >> she squeaks by in iowa and the democrats still won't release the raw vote out of iowa. >> well, no, and there's a crazy process anyhow in iowa but it's clear, a lot more democrats have voted for bernie sanders than hillary clinton thus far. >> let's just talk about why with that. exit polling from new hampshire shows how results played out starting with the democrats. bernie sanders won far more support from younger voters. 83% of those under 30 years old. he outpaced hillary clinton
among men and women. bernie sanders beat clinton by 11 points among women voters. independent voters also clocked to the vermont senator by a 3-1 margin. the results may have been set in stone for a long time. a solid majority made their decisions which candidate to support over a month ago and they stuck to those decisions. >> i have to say the one that would trouble me the most is the fact that young voters so overwhelmingly are rejected hillary clinton. >> and they showed up. >> and they showed up. steve schmidt, let's go to the republican side. we talked about donald trump, let's talk about marco rubio. here's a guy who was able because the media has been supportive of him, fawning over him, saying that he was the savior of the republican party before he even basically put on his senate uniform. they took a third place finish of marco rubio's and tried to make him a winner. how do you spin now a fifth-place finish when you're told everybody a week ago you
had to finish in second? >> you can't. look, what happened to marco rubio is unpres dentcedented. there's no analogy to any recent presidential campaign. so he -- he toiled. he did okay in these early debates and his moment came. his moment came. he has his this third-place finish in iowa. then the week opens up with rick santorum unable to answer your question about what his accomplishments are. chris christie telegraphs from miles away what the attack in the debate is going to be. he comes in, he attacks marco rubio, the basis of the attack is "you're not prepared to be president." and marco rubio proves the point by showing he's not prepared. he froze in the spotlight. so marco rubio on friday was poised not just to come in second in new hampshire, his numbers in everybody's tracking polls were increasing at a rate that he was poised to win the new hampshire primary, his
campaign collapsed. it collapsed because voters in this state made a judgment he's not ready to be president of the united states. fifth place finish in new hampshire means effectively he's bleeding out. that campaign is effectively over unless he can pull off a miracle, win the nevada caucuses, he doesn't have a path in south carolina. >> now why do you say -- >> he will linger for a while. >> why do you say he doesn't have a path in south carolina? >> because going into south carolina we have john kasich, we have jeb bush jeb bush's strongest state is south carolina. it's likely president bush who is very popular there will be campaigning there, marco rubio will be campaigning there. ted cruz is the ideological conservative so that establish establishment lane is crowded. he doesn't have the rationale for a candidacy to make the argument on a preparedness basis.
he can no longer say hey, i'm our most effective general election candidate. >> and by the way, watch out for john kasich in south carolina. he's not naturally necessarily a south carolina candidate. on the other hand, he finished in second place. >> chris christie has gone home to new jersey instead of going on to south carolina. he'll make decisions about the future of his campaign but whatever he decide, he reshaped this race in a two-minute period. as someone who has been inside these presidential campaigns, beyond donald trump who should be most excited heading towards south carolina? >> ted cruz. ted cruz had a very strong showing here yesterday. when you look at rick santorum, you look at mike huckabee who won the iowa caucuses, they came into this state as the evangelical christian candidate. they were crushed. ted cruz is strong with evangelical christians but he has strong support amongst conservatives. and ted cruz is the conservative candidate in this race.
for donald trump to be the nominee, what he has to avoid is a head-on-head two-way race with ted cruz. donald trump has to fight from his right to his left, can't be in a position where he's fighting from his left to his right in a two-way price. >> and mika as we were saying yesterday, ted cruz -- the guy has the ground game. >> he does. >> he had it in iowa. he outperformed there. he outperformed in new hampshire, a state that's about as far away from his demographic targeting. and now he goes to south carolina, alabama, mississippi, georgia, the deep south. this race suddenly is on ted cruz and donald trump's turf. >> well, with 65%, donald trump topped the field last night among voters who were looking for a candidate who tells it like it is. he also performed best among those who wanted someone from the outside of the establishment. and among those who rank immigration as a top concern.
50% republican voters say they would accept donald trump as the republican nominee. that far outpaces marco rubio's who went underwater by 17 points in the breakdown between unacceptable and acceptable. >> that is a stunning number, too. that was. >> that was an incredible metamorphosis. we went through -- john kasich benefited from late deciders. he has the support of 21% who made up their minds in the last few days and we heard anecdo anecdotally a lot were hillary voters who felt she didn't close the deal. >> we were talking about that yesterday that -- predicting that a lot of hillary voters who were dissatisfied with hillary were going to cross and vote for john kasich. you look at how low hillary's numbers are, that's what happened. >> and the difference between them? kasich has a message, a clear message, not a long list that you keep talking and talking and talking and talking to try to avoid the next question. just a clear message, a
confident one. >> what's joe biden thinking this morning? what's john kerry thinking this morning? i'm serious, what is elizabeth warren thinking this morning? a woman who knows that -- >> her endorsement could have changed the course of this. >> forget about her endorsement. what about her candidacy? elizabeth warren this morning has to know that this party is her party. >> well, i think not just those three democrats but a lot of the democrats are looking at the internal and they're thinking one thing and the forensics that are being done within the clinton campaign right now, it's not the messaging, not the targeting, it's the candidate. and they have a real problem with the candidate. she is off message, can she get on message? and one of the jarring things that occurred here and has been underreported and under the
radar and occurred within the last week is the ad, the quote from madeleine albright and gloria steinem supposedly to get women to support hillary clinton only because she was a woman. that does not work. >> no. >> it did not work and a lot of younger women especially found it offensive. >> mike says she's got to get back on message. i would argue the problem is what is the message? what's the one-line message? bernie sanders, if you watch his speech, you know the message. hillary clinton doesn't know message. >> he's lived that message for 40 years. >> she is channeling michael dukakis in 1988 saying it's not about ideology. >> mika, i'm going say this on the air that you've been say for a long time and i hope it's okay. >> uh-oh.
[ laughter ] >> you've been saying for a long time offset that hillary clinton is running around thinking that she can just say "i'm a woman, vote for me" and younger where i am going to come flocking to her and you've been saying -- because you've been talking to young women who have been saying, you know what? thanks a lot but we got this. and you talk about how -- and you've been saying this for at least three or four months that there's not -- that sort of the sense of entitlement that she owns younger women's votes because she's a woman is not going to hold up. and, my gosh, last night we saw it in living color. >> first of all, there's one whom can help hillary clinton and that's elizabeth warren. that's the only woman hillary clinton needs to talk about and she's the lone senate woman, democratic woman, who hasn't endorsed her yet. but, look to that point i think she has used the concept of
being a woman, the ground breaking concept of being a woman candidate at two times so far when she should have actually attacked the issue. she's got the investigation hanging over her, she's got the e-mail thing hanging over her and you can't say "look, i'm a woman." donald trump pointed that out. and then she's got these wall street speeches hanging over her. i hear they may come out. if they come out, what niece them? you can't say "i'm a woman, look at the bird." you have to talk about what your message is. i think the bottom line is new hampshire proved that her message is inconsistent and non-existent. >> you can draw a straight line between hillary clinton and marco rubio and their response to these problems and steve schmidt will tell you this, when you get a problem, you take it head on and you take it head on immediately. marco rubio even in an interview with lester holt yesterday was
saying "oh, my debate performance was great." you know, three seconds afterthe entire political world knew marco rubio short circuited on stage, there were people saying "we raised so much money, this is the greatest debate ever." if marco owned it immediately, guess what? he would have gotten behind him. i always say to aspiring politicians, take a tip from paul mccartney. he lands at jfk with the beatles in 1964, the press is there ready to eat him alive and the first guy stands up and says "what do you say to critics who say you're no good?" paul said "we're not. next question." defuses the situation. in this case, hillary clinton, she needs to take these issues head on. the clintons don't do that very well and they're bleeding out because of it. >> talk about canned lines and
canned answers. >> there's another ominous number in the exit polls for her. if you asked on the basic of electability, 81% of clinton voters say we're voting for her, she's the most electable. now that bernie sanders has won here and all of the discussion, that electability number is going to collapse. for those voters who say we don't trust her, we don't like her but we think she's the most electable, as that number comes down, it will create a virtual white house cycle for bernie sanders and give him lift in the states coming up. >> and there's a 13-day gap between now and south carolina tlrch. >> there's a gap. we expect her to do very well in south carolina, it would be better from her standpoint for it to be sooner. on the other hand it gives her time to work. >> regroup. >> to work on some of these issues. so i have talked to women who are excited about the prospect of the first woman president.
some of those women have questions about the particular woman, about hillary clinton and that's kind of the issue and so how does she retool herself. what is the message? part is honing the message and part is going out there. >> i don't think you can without looking canned and robotic. there are heavyweights that can stand by her side and say this is what we've got. >> hillary is capable of doing this, we saw in the 2008 when her back was against the wall. i was sitting next to pat buchanan and pat was saying she was one of the best political athletes with her back against the wall of anybody that pat had
ever said and coming from pat buchanan a guy who knows, that's the highest of praise. there have been moments in hillary's campaign where she shows her real side and shows her personality. we talked about the moment where she talked about the most important thing in life was love and everything else. >> that was unplanned. >> it was unplanned and she stopped and she said "and it's hard." and it was one of the most moving moments i've seen in this entire campaign. it was as if for 20 seconds hillary clinton allowed herself to be hillary clinton and it was moving and strong. she's got to find -- >> that voice. >> she's got to find herself and be herself in front of a microphone because everybody that knows her loves her. saul of her friends love her very much. and she has a lifetime of friends that love her very much. that doesn't happen by accident. she's got to be herself on the campaign trail and it's what
she's worst at. >> still ahead on "morning joe," chuck todd and katty kay join the table. plus former governor jeb bush who is walking away from new hampshire with a handful of delegates and new momentum. the presidential candidate joins us next on "morning joe." ♪ ♪ ♪ for your retirement, you want to celebrate the little things, because they're big to you. and that is why you invest. the best returns aren't just measured in dollars. td ameritrade®.
the pundits had it all figured out last monday night when the iowa caucuses were complete. they said the race was now a three-person race between two freshman senators and a reality tv star. and while the reality tv star is still doing well, it looks like you all have reset the race. and for that i am really grateful. we learned the story of a veteran who was declared dead, who didn't get his benefits, of course, social security, because he was declared dead. i will be a president that fixes these things to honor our veterans and we just like he is not dead, this campaign is not dead. we're going on to south carolina. >> and with us now live from hilton head, south carolina, republican presidential
candidate, former governor jeb bush of florida and also with us here in new hampshire, nbc news political director, moderator of "meet the press" and host of "mtp daily" chuck todd. also with us, washington anchor for bbc world news america, katty kay. governor bush, let me begin with you. last week we were told a third place finish made somebody an inevitable nominee. it doesn't look that way this morning, does it? >> no, it doesn't and that's the way the process always works. people have a chance to vote and right now the leading candidate, donald trump, has 18 delegates to his name and others have six or seven. we've got a long way to go. now we move to south carolina where you have a different primary mix. where people are interested in national security issues and how we rebuild the military. i started out at 11:00 with a large crowd. there will be 700 people at a town hall meeting, i'm looking forward to it. >> marco rubio said he had to finish in second place for his
3-2-1 strategy to work. he ended up in fifth place behind you. where do you have to finish in south carolina? >> you know, i've never been good at trying to figure out where the expectations are. is i just know we have a great organization here. i'm on the ballot in every state right after south carolina we head to nevada where it's a caucus and then you've got the s.e.c. primary states so my intention is to do well here, to build on the success we had and to to make the case we need a proven leader in washington, d.c. to fix the mess, not just talk about how bad things are but to rise things up again because people are struggling in this country. >> so south carolina seems strong for you, a strong place for you to campaign. what have you learned through iowa and new hampshire, maybe that you would change or maybe that you didn't completely take into consideration about where voters are right now, how they're feeling. >> well, my -- you know, the
hard campaigning in those states and around the country makes me believe that people are not just angry, they're deeply concerned about the future of their families and of the country that we here in a perilous time right now and it's not just, you know -- it's not just anger, although i think a lot of people are angry. i think they feel like our country has lost its way and it compels me to advocate leadership being part of the solution more than just the policy ideas i have that. so i talk about my life experience more based on the interactions with thousands of people over the last two months. >> chuck todd? >> governor bush, i think some of your campaign strategists for the super pac, they're talking about targeting kasich or targeting rubio. you as a candidate target donald trump. do you hope that your super pac actually follows suit? i mean, it seems as if you're not going to be the nominee. you're not going to win south carolina unless you go and try to get the front-runner.
>> well, that's what i've been doing. i can't control what goes on in the super pac. i've stopped even worrying about it. i think donald trump would be a disaster as our nominee. he's a gifted politician, that's for sure. the guy can capture people's attention. but you can't use profanity and disparage women and disparage the disabled, all the things that he does and not send a pretty negative signal to the broader audience that ultimately will decide who the president is. and a conservative needs to win the conservative party's nomination. and i's the most conservative governor and candidate with a proven record that's in the field right now. that's my case. >> katty kay? >> governor, one of the more striking numbers out of last night's results in new hampshire was that 64% of republican voters support donald trump's ban on muslims coming in to america. you've been critical of that ban. are you out of step with where
republican voters are in the moment? >> if you ask how important that is, i'm sure it's a low number. here's the deal, ckatty, if i believe what i believe, it goes against american values to call for a ban of innocent muslims and it makes it impossible to build a coalition to destroy isis where it needs to be done, in the caliphate. i won't follow what the polls say. i apologize, but i believe what i believe. this is a horrific idea and it sends this signal of divisiveness at a time when we need to find things that unite us. our country has fallen apart. and we don't need presidents, candidates on the left or right that continue to prey on that division. we need someone who can actually be president to create a set of purposes that unite us. and one of those is we need to protect the homeland from islamic terrorism and you don't do that by banning all muslims. >> gene robinson? >> governor bush, what other
really pretty conservative governor in the race is john kasich who did very well last night, finished in second place. going into south carolina, do you need to direct some of your fire at kasich lest he also essentially steal the headlines in south carolina as well? >> well, he has nothing going on down here best we can tell. he had a one state strategy. i commend him for the candidate he ran in new hampshire. john's a good man, he served as governor of the state of ohio. but he's not as conservative as me and his record is not as good as mine and the one telling thing he did apart from nothing being -- not really focusing on rebuilding the military which i think is important down here and in our country that when he had a chance he expanded obamacare through medicaid and governors across this country had a chance to take a stand against obamacare, many did. here in florida i was -- as a private citizen i fought for
stopping the expansion of medicaid and we were successful. other states did the same but in ohio it was expanded. he'll have to explain that down here where obamacare -- people want it repealed, they don't want it expanded. >> governor, good morning, steve schmidt. i think the argument you've been trying to make is that by experience, by accomplishment, by temperament you are the republican candidate who is most fit to command. walk us through the next ten days. how will you make that argument in south carolina and overtake donald trump who in the exit polls is viewed by new hampshire republicans as the candidate most trusted in a crisis situation to deal with the toughest problems we face. >> well, that's a great question because he's -- he comes across as strong but then when you hear him speak it isn't strong to say, for example, you know, that we're going to outsource our national security concerns about korea to china.
that's not strong to call for a 45 tariff acro 45% tariff that leads to a global recession. i will -- look, this is not beanbag, i know when you go against donald trump he gets upset and starts tweet ago firestorm of insult bus to show my steadiness and his lack of steadiness, this is a national security primary in south carolina. people are concerned about are we going to support our troops? are we going to support our military? are we going to end the quest isser? are we going to support the veterans? my case will be about national security and economic security but particularly national security issues. >> jeb bush, we'll see you on the campaign trail, thank you very much for being on the show this morning. >> thank you, governor, congratulations. >> see you in charleston. >> yes. that last comment i thought was interesting and i wonder if he can do it and that is the
steadiness of whether he can actually outsteady donald trump. >> i don't know if you can tell south carolinians that it's a national security primary. >> this is a state that has always been bush territory, it's always been the establishment's firewall. i will only say that four years ago the guy that won was a guy that fits closer to donald trump temperamentally than any candidate -- >> he was closer to donald trump in '12. >> newt was trump in '12. there's a few myths about south carolina. this isn't the most conservative state in the south as far as the republican electorate is concerned. alabama, mississippi, oklahoma, there are more conservative electorates that you're going to face. it is -- to me it will be
fascinating to see. he said "see you in charleston" for a reason, by the way, charleston is where he needs to do well. a little more moderate. >> not greenville. >> ted cruz is saying "see you in greenville." but is his super pac going to sit there and continue to torpedo plooub and sta-- rubio n start in on kasich or go after trump and let trump go again. if this becomes bush, kasich, rubio, cruz just beating each other up, trump will just sail above it. >> let's talk political strategy for a second. because if -- i'm jeb bush, i'm still focused on marco rubio. because until the other floridian is out of the race, i don't have a clear path forward.
i nomar co-'s hurt, he's crippled. a lot of people thought trump was a week ago. going after trump doesn't make sense. he's got to get the other floridian out of the race. he's got to outperform him because that's where the establishment money is going. it's going to one of the floridians. and the second one of the floridians is bumped out of the race, suddenly the skies open up. >> i think he has to understand he can't fight everybody, he's got to go at the top, who's leading, that's donald trump right now. he has to look at marco rubio and say marco rubio is fatally wounde wounded. >> don't you let cruz do it, too? >> i think it's in cruz's interest to get rid of rubio. i think voters have render add judgment on rubio. they saw somebody -- we talked last week what are his
accomplishments. >> was this a rick perry moment? >> absolutely. when we talked about his accomplishment accomplishments we talked about he has great potential, he's gotten himself elected in the united states senate, so we saw that great potential evaporate, voters in this state render add judgment not ready to be commander in chief. he's off the island. it's a brutal, cruel process. >> it's done. too many candidates out there. >> one quick caveat. you know who runs rubio's snack two of the toughest south carolina operatives that you can find. >> but your candidate has to be able to pull it. katty, jump in. i thought jeb bush, he's been saying you can't insult and curse your way to the presidency. so far you can. >> he made the link between
being tough on immigration and that somehow allied him on being tough on security. he said "after paris people looked at me and said i'd be tough on security because i'm tough on immigration." that's a problem for jeb bush. if it's going to be a problem with national security down there and he's less tough on immigration, you won't make that lunge. >> as you go from south carolina to the deep south, marco rubio is going to see pictures of chuck schumer and jeb bush will be seeing clips where he talked about illegal immigration, what's the line? being an act of love. let's talk about the guy -- >> we have to go to break. >> -- who has outperformed two out of two times. who has a turnout operation and who is actually going to home territory. >> that's right. the calendar goes in his favor. look, cruz -- put it this way, trouble in's -- he's got to stick it to the finals. this is a three-way race for the
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now i have been criticized during this campaign for many, many things. every single day, that's okay, that's all right. they're throwing everything at me at the kitchen sink and i have the feeling that kitchen sink is coming pretty soon as well. >> i love that. >> this is where my daughter texted me from college going "i officially feel the bern." and. >> that's okay. he's larry david. joining us now, senior national correspondent for bloomberg "businessweek" josh green and nbc news correspondent ka katy tur. you know, i don't think we've talked about him enough as a candidate. i think he's likable and
reachable, everyone has misunderstood how important that message is. >> and also how angry josh green, that message, is making wall street and the bigger problem for hillary clinton because hillary clinton's wall street problem only gets worse. >> i tell you who's not feeling the bern is wall street bankers, traders, hedge fund guys. they've been messaging me through my bloomberg terminal saying what is happening? why don't voters recognize we offer benefit to the economy? how can people support a socialist like bernie sanders? i think hillary clinton is probably asking the same question. >> and hanging over her are the speeches she's given to wall street and big banks. a a and. >> this has been the issue, who will win, who won't? and does clinton need to make a
meaningful concession to this anti-wall street anger coursing through the democratic party by releasing these secret speeches? >> but you have heard and there's other reporters we've talked to that you're looking at the contributes, she sounds -- one reporter said she sounds like a managing director for one of the hedge funds. >> i talked to a ceo who said the speech itself was just about important decisions she mad to make as secretary of state, a lot of it promoting women, nothing controversial. what would be problematic, he said, was this in her introductory remarks she lavished praised on wall street and said you guys are the pillar of our economy. the irony, the ceo said, is this is a crowd of romney voters who would never vote for hillary clinton and it was empty flattery that wouldn't advance her cause with that crowd. >> why did she do it? what was she trying to get? >> when you're paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to show up
and make a speech, i think there's an impulse to offer some kind of praise of your audience or -- you know, something to suggest this isn't just a naked financial transaction. >> she's getting paid $225,000, start there. so let's show the picture -- let's show the full screen from the politico article. katy tur where one of the attendees said "it was like a rah rah speech. she sounded more like a goldman sachs managing director". >> i was watching bernie on c-span and he made a point about the walton family, the walmart family and he said they're making more money than -- i think he said something around 40% of americans are yet most of their employees, or a good portion of them, are on welfare and they're working two jobs. >> minimum wage. >> or medicaid and the rest of americans are essentially paying for them -- helping them because the waltons aren't paying them enough. and that's an argument that resonates with people who think
this isn't fair. is i'm working hard to clothe my kids, make ends meet, to maybe want to go on vacation welfare line or who is struggling to make ends meet. i wonder, though, if hillary clinton -- i said this last night -- throughout her consultants, throughout her pollsters, got rid of the teleprompters and was more herself, the hillary clinton we saw when she was secretary of state who was more off the cuff if she would be resonating more for voters. they see her as someone toss scripted, don't trust him. i think that's why bernie sanders is polling to well and doing so well. >> i predict the next step is the clinton campaign is going to release the speeches but not the q & a part. you just know that's what's going to happen next. >> i think she's -- it's a double-edged sword. she releases the speeches and everyone can pound her for what she said and how she bent over
backwards for banks, if she doesn't release the speeches she sounds like she's hiding something. >> steve smith, you look at hillary clinton, you look at the situation obviously that she's in and as she moves forward, how does she get around the wall street speeches? >> i think it's very difficult. we don't know what's in them. you look at the intensity of support for bernie sanders, the clarity of his message right now, the intensity of the antipathy towards wall street and the democratic party. there may be things in those speeches that are disqualifying for someone who aspires to be the democratic nominee. >> especially as what katie said we were actually at the speech where he was talking about the walton family and he perfectly spun it to corporate welfare. >> absolutely. >> that the working class americans are paying corporate welfare to the richest family in america who is paying minimum wage to their workers. it was -- for a democratic
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>> i want to congratulate donald trump tonight on his victory. no. no. no. he won fair and square. but i beat him in dixville notch. >> this campaign is not dead. we're going on to south carolina. >> so we will go home to new jersey tomorrow morning. we will make a decision on our next step forward. >> i want you to understand something. our disappointment tonight is not on you, it's on me. it's on me. i did not do well on saturday night. so listen to this. that will never happen again. >> wow. there was a huge turnout last night. >> tom brokaw, you just grimaced the last comment. >> i think when you have to apologize for something you did three days earlier is not great for the next cycle. one of the things i thought this
morning just dee all the conventional wisdom about new hampshire, this fiscally conservative state has elected a socialist. this great of traditional personal values has elected by a big margin a man who stands in stage and engages in vulgarisms and obscenities. >> tom, also as far as ideology goes, this republican party, this live free or die republican party has elected a guy who refused to stand with conservatives in this state and say i don't want medicaid expanded and also keeps talking about universal healthcare. and that's something trump said here and he doubled his next closest competitor. >> i think if dorothy arrived in new hampshire this morning she'd like at toto and said, toto, i don't think we are in new hampshire anymore. it's an entirely different kind of state. we arrived and venus, we wake up and it's mars. i have never seen a i can soel turn quite as much as this one. it also is, however, not just
new hampshire. >> i agree. it's the country. >> across the country the nation is half-cocked in the ticked off position although ticked off is not the phrase people generally would use when they talk about that. a lot of that is fed by social media and about what they hear on the radio and other places. there is a kind of fear out there that is not entirely justified, quite honestly. >> a lot of it also a fed and mike barnicle has talked about this for a long time. >> by reality. >> the fact is that the rich are getting richer, poor are getting poorer, middle class is squeezed, real wages have dropped since 1973 for workers. >> you can't live on the minimum wage. >> it's hard to make a working wage, you look at student debt that continues to go up, look at washington, d.c., look at the incompetence year after year after year, look at the $20 trillion debt, look at the fact that right now across the world the united states is probably in a worse -- worse shape than we
have been in a very long time, that the only relations that are better now than they were eight years ago are with iran and cuba. there are a lot of things, steve schmidt, to make republicans and democrats alike feel uneasy as we go into the ballot box. >> i think we too often talk about this zero sum. one party is up, the other must be down. both parties are down, though. all of this comes in this time where trust is collapsed between the american people and every institution in the country, with the exception of the military and there's good reason for it. we have an era of fraud, an era of incompetence combined together and the american people are rebelling against t we have had these wave elections. 2006 and 2008 the democrats storm in. 2010 the republicans take the house. 2012 barack obama is reelected. 2014 the republicans come back in. nothing changes. so when nothing changes in these
successive and historic wave elections we now come to the next step here. >> willie, we can take that all the way back to 2004. 2004 republicans push, bush gets reelected, a permanent majority. two years later nancy pelosi speaker of the house, barack obama elected two years later and it is the dawn of the age of aware yus, two years later republicans take over the house, two years later barack obama is reelected, two years later ted cruz and republicans take over the house and senate. here we are two years later. jon meachum has been saying for a very long time that soon the 150 years due oply that republicans and democrats have had on this country will be blown apart. we saw both parties, both establishments blown to bits last night in the voting booths in new hampshire. >> and they are never more separated. those people who are in congress and in the senate from their constituents than right now. tip o'neal used to take his
laundry on saturday mornings and walk down the street. we knew who our congressman was, they were walking the street, talking to schools. you don't find them anymore. you find them at country clubs raising a lot of money and the money factor is an important part of it. >> and the two schools that shocked the political world last night is it not raise a dime from the wall street ruling class. >> $27 per donor that's what bernie sanders said again last night. if you look at the dolores per vote donald trump was among the bottom of republican candidates. this did not happen overnight, this is the failure and collapse and trust of institutions in this country. you can go back as far as you want to go back, but you can look at ckatrina, intelligence failures on 9/11, the war in iraq. people in this country don't believe that washington works for them anymore and the result of that is what you saw last night on both sides of the aisle. >> i think nothing resonated more in donald trump's candidacy
than i didn't take their money. you see all those guys, they all took the money. people really thought this is someone that maybe we should trust because he hasn't taken the money. and he hasn't said much more than that in terms of policy. but that part was incredibly strong. republicans were driven to the polls first and foremost by the economy. it was the top issue for 32% of the ballot box. government spending ranked as the second most significant concern. immigration ranked a somewhat distant fourth. when it comes to handling a crisis overseas donald trump was at the top, 30%, jeb bush in second with 17%. the early exit polling shows 64% support a temporary ban on muslims from entering the country. 32% oppose the idea. >> so what do we see moving forward for the republican establishment? how does the empire strike back, so to speak, when it looks through the first two races like ted cruz and donald trump are
the two dominant figures in this party, stuart stevens? >> one thing this race is going to establish is there are no brokers because if there were brokers in either party they would be out there brokering and you wouldn't have this situation and they would be meeting now, but they're not meeting, there aren't any rooms, there aren't any people that are going to intervene. look, it's the hunger games now. it's going to roll forward and it's just -- it's going to be really, really brutal. i think you've got cruz -- and trump -- in a way -- look, the two guys who won iowa and new hampshire are going to be leaders in south carolina. it's going to be really hard for anybody else to break through that. >> what about marco rubio, steve schmidt said he probably doesn't have a way forward. what do you think? >> you know, he's going to have to go out there and do something extraordinary and have a moment to balance that other moment. bad moments can be balanced by good moments. that's how volatile all of this is. there's nobody who is really invested in any of these candidates in a deep personal
way. they don't have bonds with any of these people. you saw that with hillary clinton. where these voters who had all voted for her before turned owner a lot of them. >> bernie, do you think that that applies to bernie? >> i think that they are with bernie now until they are not with bernie. i think that's one of the things. it feels good to be for bernie sanders. you've gone to these rallies. >> i have. i don't see what you're saying. i think they're with them. >> they're having fun. who is having the most fun here? who had the most fun in new hampshire. i think donald trump, you go to his rallies he's having fun and you go to bernie sanders' rally and these people are happy to be there. >> but on trump's side of the ledger at least he's done so many things that would have chased off voters in the past. trump supporters at least the core of them seem to be with him no matter what he does. >> the strategic imperative in all campaigns start with one, how are we going to win the race? what's the climate that we're running in? the next president always has oppositional virtues from the
last president. this race began with the establishment candidates in the republican party saying that the oppositional virtue was experience. we were going to correct the obama years by putting in an experienced president, somebody who had led, who had governed, but in fact the oppositional virtue that republican voters were looking for was not experience. they were looking for strength versus what they perceive to be the president's weakness. donald trump by his refusal to ever back down and instead when he's called out to double down has time and again proved that he is strong by doing that. and the people who demand that he back down, that he apologize, that he be more politically correct are part of an establishment that these voters have utter and absolute contempt for. >> the trust has been broken. >> i have the purest distillation of the trump phenomenon in this morning's
boston globe. joe habib, 84-year-old retired engineer, voted twice for praum, he voted for trump. he said i think washington sucks and i think trump can fix it, period. >> there you go. >> which brings to mind something that we have to move to the next phase of this campaign is to hold all candidates, especially the leaders accountable for what they say they will be able to do. when trump says i want to expand the military. we are at 54% of the budget right now for military spending so what gives at that point? on bernie sanders' point you're going to spend all that money on healthcare, we're going to have a national healthcare system. what gives? how do you add that up with so many concerns about the $18 trillion in debt that we already have here. so i would hope that as we go downstream now that there will be more of an accountability about what they have in mind and how they are selling themselves and their vision for what's next
for america. >> bernie sanders big win over hillary clinton is no small feet. his margin of victory nearly 50,000 vote marks the widest ever gap in the new hampshire primary. nbc news has allocated 15 dal gats to sanders and 8 to clinton. in addition clinton has the backing of 6 of the 8 super dell gants. sanders 15, clinton 14. combine those with the delegates awarded out of iowa and sanders leads sanders 54 to 46 on the long road to the nomination. >> what was the first year you reported here, '72? >> 1972. >> going back to 1972 have you ever seen a front runner so roundly defeated as hillary clinton? usually it's the front runner wins by three or four points over mccarthy or 2 or 3 points over buchanan and all the sirens go off. here the front runner lost by 22 points. >> not by these margins.
gary hart winning, for example, was a surprise. bob dole thought that he had it wrapped up when he beat bush 41 in iowa then bush 41 brought in ted williams and snow plows and he put on working class jackets and he beat him here. but, no, i have never seen anything quite like this. this is upside down, topsy-turvy in every sense of the word. and by the way if it is symbolic, which i think it is to a large degree of where the country is, we are in a whole different orbit at this point in this country about where people feel about institutions and the conventional way of doing things. >> absolutely. trending on social media, frank bruiny's column in the "new york times" entitled feminism, hell and hillary clinton. bruiny writes, i'm 51, my health is decent and while my mother died lung there's longevity elsewhere in the family tree. i could live to see an openly gay presidential candidate with a real chance of victory.
will there be a special place in hell if i don't support him or his or her. she more or less told women they are damned if they're not on hillary clinton's team. there is a weird strain of thought swirling around clinton's campaign that we should vote for her because she is a woman or she's inoculated from flaws or accusations by her gender or that at the least there is an onus on forward looking people who care about gender inequality to promote her candidacy. i care about gender inequality and i don't buy it. it's bad logic. it's even worse strategy. people don't vote out of shame. they vote out of hope. we're all complicated people. voting for complicated people. we are not consensus subgroups falling in line. >> boy, i tell you what, willie, gloria steinem's comments and madeline albright's comments came as a one-two punch, insulting any woman that would
support bernie sanders. >> that's not what she meant. >> when you condemn people to hell for not voting for the candidate or saying women are voting for a 74-year-old man because they want to pick up men. >> that's a problem. >> both of those things, i mean, if they were trying to help hillary clinton i think actually it blew up in their face in a big way. >> in my experience voters don't like to be shamed into voting and it sounded a little desperate in the late days of the campaign to be honest. if you don't want to vote for me if you have no other reason at least you ought to vote for me because i'm a woman and here is the result of that. hillary clinton lost women overall by 11 points. part of the rational of her candidacy is she is a historic candidate because of her gender and voters in new hampshire did not go along with that rational last night. >> stuart stevens, if you guys could go back to the previous screen, first of all, lost women by 11 points, 44 to 55%. when we go back to the last
screen we can see that young women she lost four out of five young women. and women 30 to 44 voted against her 62 to 36. that's breathtaking. >> something sort of mind-boggling is the base of bernie sanders' female support was not alive when hillary clinton first started campaigning in new hampshire. >> wow. >> i mean, think about that. >> why would you say they're just having fun, then? >> no. i think that there's a sense -- >> going to bernie rallies. >> mika is going to be repeating that quote for the next six years. >> there is a sense of excitement that you get when you go to these rallies. >> yeah. >> something fresh is happening. >> how about hope? >> i don't mean fun in a frivolous sense, i mean that you're part of something big. >> yeah. >> and i think people feel that when they go to trump rallies and they feel that when they go to these bernie sanders rallies. it is an astonishing thing that
happened that when you have an obscure socialist from a tiny state that upturned the clinton political machine it is baffling. >> if you're looking at the internals and sitting next to hillary clinton this morning and surveying the damage, where do you start? >> they have some real problems and you look inside of those numbers, looking at the intensity of sanders' support, the fact that she lost liberals, she lost independents, she lost gun owners, she lost every category across the board here in this state. but what's the nature of the race now? she has an ideological fight on her hands. she is running against a conviction politician who is utterly authentic with a concise message attacking her from the left and then she also has a character issue on her hands. and so republicans look at her trustworthy and honesty through the prism of benghazi or through
the e-mail server or through past clinton scandals, but democratic voters look at her character defects through the prism of all the money taken in from the wall street firms. so now we're going to be going into another chapter her starting i suspect today demanding the release of the transcripts of the speeches, demanding the release of the question and answer from the speeches. and they have disclosure issues like no candidate ever had. if you go back to the romney campaign in 2012, the issue of the release of his taxes, john mccain's campaign in 2008, demands for release of his health records. there has never been a candidate who has faced so many different calls for disclosure of information that could be fatal if it becomes public across this wide vast spectrum. >> wow. >> and, tom, the wall street question will continue because you look at the exit polls, you know, hillary clinton might have said it was a phoney issue.
>> yeah. >> but on honest and trustworthy it's what mattered to new hampshire voters the most. >> i will give you the brokaw thesis on how we arrived where we are. 9/11 changed this country. we went to war with less than 1% of our population, we had the greatest recession since the great depression, no one got punished at the top, but at the bottom people lost their homes and jobs and couldn't believe in the american dream anymore. at the same time when jobs were scarce we had the immigration issue going on, simultaneously you've got the explosion of young people, including young women, as a result of the digital age. they're inventing their own rules about what they want to do and how they want to do it. they are running contrary to the established institutions that we have all grown-up with. so you arrive at this station in our lives now when everything is unmoored and people want to reinvent the institutions and they want -- especially women --
they want to have their own voices on their own terms. in fact, madeline albright and gloria steinem as admirable as they were, were as much of the establishment as congress was to these young people. they're going to make up their own minds. that's kind of where we got to where we are it seems to me. >> all right. still ahead on "morning joe" -- i think it's fascinating that actually the historic woman card is backfiring. it's just -- everything is upside down. our interview this morning with donald trump coming up. he says he thinks john kasich is a nice guy, but -- >> uh-oh. >> it's sort of like bless your heart in the south. >> it is. >> he's already warning he may not be in love with him as much as he thought. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.
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joining us now by phone republican presidential candidate donald trump. congratulations, donald. >> and, donald, you wake up this morning with some new friends who wanted you destroyed just a week ago. >> well, that's actually been happening for a couple of weeks, joe. people are calling and they want to be involved. do you know what, that's fine. i think that's a good thing not a bad thing. we certainly have a lot of people who want to be involved who weren't liking me so much even, you know, i mean, forgetting about iowa which actually in a certain was was quite successful, but they weren't liking me so much a couple months ago. that i can tell you. >> donald, what happened last night? the numbers are staggering, i have steve kornacki here who said you just swept through the entire state. you won every region, you won every county. what happened? >> well, i have had a great relationship with the people of new hampshire. we would go around and you got
to see yourself, you were at one event, but every event we had we were packed. we have hundreds and hundreds of people, sometimes thousands of people outside on small venues. i mean, you have a small venue that holds 200 people, we would have 3,000, 4,000 people standing outside. that's not a bad sign. and we were just -- it was really absolutely amazing. it was amazing. the love that was in the state of new hampshire. and they're great people up there. i've known them long before the politics thing, i've known them. >> from iowa to new hampshire and now looking ahead to south carolina, the next big one, what have you learned along the way? what things are you changing, maybe what wouldn't you do again and what is working? >> well, i think the message is the same, it started out, mika, with trade and very strong on trade, we're being ripped off by everybody and i guess that's the thing that bernie sanders and myself have in common. we know about the trade. but unfortunately he can't do anything to fix it whereas i will. i have the best people in the world and we'll fix it.
we're losing hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars a year. we will fix it and we will make it good and we will bring our jobs back and we will do a lot of things. bernie sanders can't even think in terms of that. the only thing he does know and he's right about is that we're being ripped off and he says that constantly. i guess he and i are the only two that really say that. but it's going to be -- you know, that's where it began and it also was the border. and then you had the paris attack and all of a sudden it became isis and it became security and because i was far and away the strongest on the border i think people viewed me as strongest generally. they morph into each other. it's been amazing. and then you get -- you know, i'm very much against common core, which is education from washington. you can forget it. we're going to do local education. forget about cost. i mean, it is less costly, far less costly, but far better. you look at our rankings on education in the world, we're
number 30 in the world which is ridiculous. number one in cost. second amendment, we're protecting our second amendment and so many other things. it really did -- after the paris attack it took a different turn and it wasn't my turn, it was the people's turn. i saw that. i mean, they want protection. and they viewed me as somebody that's going to take care of them and i will. >> donald, it's willie, good morning and congratulations. >> hi, willie. >> you are obviously the story here, you and bernie sanders, that's a historic win last night. beneath your story line some people talking about john kasich surprisingly coming up and finishing in second place with a good showing for him. we haven't heard you talk much about john kasich in this race. as you move forward what are your impressions of him? what do you think about him? >> well, i like him a lot, i think he's a nice guy. unfortunately going to the airport two days ago i heard a commercial and the commercial was a little bit negative and i said i wonder who did that commercial, it was a negative commercial on me and it was john kasich. maybe i'm not in love with him
as much as i was prior to hearing the commercial. it was a false commercial. i thought it was somebody else but it wasn't, it was john. so perhaps we have to take a little tougher stance than i would have normally. i was surprised to hear it. you know, he talked about he's not going negative, but he did a negative commercial on me so i didn't like that. >> do you think he's been a good governor of ohio, donald? >> well, i think he hit oil, that's what i think. you know, what happened is he got a little bit lucky, but he also let them go after it unlike other governors where they didn't let him go after it, they were fracking in ohio. they hit oil in prime time when the prices were at a high and that makes up for a lot of since. it makes up for a lot of errors and difficulties. so i think that was a very positive thing for john and i give john credit. you know, a lot of people don't let him go frack and he said go frack and frankly that made a huge difference for ohio. >> so who is your biggest threat now moving forward? now that we've gotten through
iowa, of we've gotten through new hampshire. as you assess the republican field who is the biggest threat to you? >> honestly, willie, i think they all are. they're all smart, intelligence, you know, very accomplished people. i wouldn't necessarily pick one. john is a little bit closer than the others but that could be an outlier also, you never know what's going to happen. i was very happy with our poll numbers because you're right about it, i was listening to you before, you know, the polling was just about exactly right. we had -- we had the polling at 34, 35, 32. probably the result was even a little bit higher than the polling. but i think they're all really, you know, potential threats, but i'm okay in handling threats. >> mike barnicle. >> donald, i'm going to describe a voter to you and i would like you to tell us how you are going to woo and win this voter as we proceed forward across this long haul. she is a 48-year-old woman, she makes $52,000 a year, she has
two children in high school, she's not particularly political. trade, immigration, are not her hot buttons. tell me how do you intend to get her to vote for you? how do you get her to stay in your corner? >> well, you know, one of the things we're going to be doing is repealing and replacing obamacare. in terms of healthcare, she's got children and i guarantee you that she probably doesn't have healthcare and if she does it's terrible, it's obamacare-related. honestly obamacare is a disaster. the premiums are going -- you've got to see the numbers. they're going 25, 35, 45% up. the deductibles are impossible unless you get hit by a truck you're never going to be able to use it. it's a real disaster. and i'm not saying this from a political standpoint. you know, let it work, i wish it worked, but it's a disaster for people. a woman like that needs health from the healthcare standpoint
and believe me i guarantee you one thing, there are other things we can talk about, but one of the things that they are not being helped with is healthcare. so we're going -- we have great concepts for much better healthcare at a much lower cost. and also at a lower cost for the country. obamacare is a very, very massive expense for our country and in two years from now -- you know, it's going to be impossible. so it will be very, very good for her and her children. >> would you keep it or fix it, obamacare? >> i'd rather get rid of it and have a beautiful new plan and concept. i would much rather repeal it and replace it. it's very complex. keeping it and doing a patch job i don't like. we should come out of the box with something great. i think we'll get great support from congress and i do that. i mean, i know all of these people, i know all of the players and they want to see it, too. so i think we'll do it.
>> robert costa. >> mr. trump, good morning. let's learn a little bit about your skills as a politician. tell me, have you reached out to governor christie in the last 12 hours and if not -- if so what was that conversation like and if not are you going to reach out, try to get his endorsement, try to rally some establishment support behind you? >> well, you know, i never thought of myself as a politician, but jeb bush said he is a highly gifted politician. he is a gifted, gifted politician. and i said, i am? i didn't know that. so sort of interesting. and actually sort of nice. i think that chris did an amazing job in terms of the debate as a prosecutor and he is a friend of mine and he actually called me last night and we had a long talk and he's a little disappointed because he really did do a great job, he did an amazing job during that debate. i was witness to it because i was standing next to marco who i like very much and, you know, it was a strange kind of a
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of politics. that you never quite know when which is going to happen, even when you think you do. and so we leave new hampshire tonight without an ounce of regret. not for the time we've spent and for the thousands of people tonight in new hampshire who will have voted for us. we're going to go home to new jersey tomorrow and we're going to take a deep breath, see what the final results are tonight and that's going to allow us to make a decision about how we move from here in this race. >> new jersey governor chris christie invested a lot in the state of new hampshire, certainly left his mark on this campaign at that debate, but have we seen the last of him after a disappointing performance of sixth place in this state? we'll talk about that. still ahead, if the overaveraging theme of the republican race is anger does it really matter which state is casting the votes? long time republican attorney ben ginsburg with his take on an
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he pre tends to be a republican. >> i like bailouts for the banks. >> too big to fail. >> i gave money to pelosi, reid and anthony weiner. >> hillary, i will give you money to be my friend. >> check out my house, mr. trump. >> that's a lousy house. i'm going to take your house with eminent domain and park my limb mows there. eminent domain. >> we wouldn't tolerate these values in our children. why would we want them in a president? >> eminent domain. okay.
we see the -- >> wow. ted cruz's campaign rolled out the video you just saw targeting donald trump last night. eugene robinson and katty kay are with us again and ben ginsburg, he is now an nbc news msnbc political analyst. also with us bloomberg washington bureau chief megyn murphy. >> we will get to ben in a second who is trying to figure out which canadian city he's moving to. a lot of republicans right now looking at vancouver. >> >> i was saying offset that richard last has been telling me they think they're going to talk about the paris accords, they talk trump. he goes somewhere else and thinks they are going to about asia they talk about trump. >> people are asking do
americans think this is as insane as we do, this whole race and particularly what happened here in new hampshire. questions, are you moving to coop da? are you moving to new zealand are you coming back home if either sanders or trump is elected. they cannot believe what's happening here. >> but what's happening here in america has already happened in britain with koshen. >> with jeremy corbin taps in into same feeling with income inequality that bernie sanders is tapping into. you see pockets of this all around europe. on the left and on the right the growth of populous movements as people feel their politicians can't fix the problems. >> everybody wants to talk about the national front and when they're talking about donald trump they never talk about jerry corbin and how he has horrified labor politicians who believe he's taking the left over -- >> the politics are opposite but the sentiment is similar. >> just like here where somebody
can go into a voting booth in new hampshire and say i'm either voting for sanders or trump. >> or trump. right. it means there's something going on, right? >> and it's more fundamental than the ups and downs of the political season. i mean, there is a deep dissatisfaction out there. it's not ubiquitous, but a lot of people are uneasy and unsatisfied by income inequality, by what's going on in the world. >> yeah. >> well, wouldn't that make bernie sanders a really great candidate? megyn, i'm confused that in the e-mails katty is getting and i think in other narratives we've heard sanders and trump are being seen as what happened? this is crazy. what's so crazy about bernie sanders given the state of this nation? >> he is a socialist. >> everyone says he is a socialist. >> do you know why i say he is a socialist, because -- >> he is a socialist. >> he is a socialist. >> yes. >> it seems crazy in the american context. >> in the american context
because as katty kay said back in 2009 when there was a newsweek coverage that said we are all socialists now katty correctly say americans, you all would make terrible socialists. because you're driven and obsessed by work like nobody else in the world. >> i don't think they even understand a lot of people who say now they are a socialist understand what that term means, it's much deeper than that and you touched on some of the points and, yes, we have it with jeremy corbin, alex tsipras in greece, northeast movements that have risen on the left and right but the underlining framework is economics and wage stag nation and seeing this rapidly rising income inequality where the 1%, aer especially the .001% continues to take a larger share of the wealth. >> what's crazy about his candidacy? >> nothing is crazy about his candidacy. i think what you really saw last night which is so stunning was across every demographic, women,
young women, young voters. she only won the very rich and the very old and that tells you that it's much deeper than -- i don't necessarily believe this meme about it's anger. about this people feeling like they don't have the piece of america that they're entitled to, that they grew up being promised. >> it's about reality. >> exactly. >> so, ben, i will let you answer the question what is crazy about bernie sanders as president? >> well, having somebody who is a socialist, who stands for sort of that big government take over, let's tax them to creation is an thet cal to where we have always been before as a country. so that part of it is out of character. we're going to -- we're doubling down on the big government theory that barack obama has had. >> there was an exit poll yesterday that if i were barack obama i would not be a happy man after all he has accomplished for democrats. half of the electorate said they wanted -- 40% said they wanted
to continue with obama policies, 41% said they wanted to go further left than what barack obama had done. >> that's the doubling down. and that's why donald trump sets up such an interesting contrast to bernie sanders, but that meeting in the middle that you were talking about is absolutely right and the fascinating part about the electorate yesterday. >> i wonder about hillary clinton whether this election last night here in new hampshire primary was more about hillary clinton or -- i think it was about bernie sanders. >> i agree. >> i think he is a strong candidate. >> i think it was probably more about sanders than about clinton. that 40 versus 41%, a lot of democrats found that, guess what, barack obama was not as much of a leftist as people -- as people thought and certainly not as much of a leftist as republicans called him. >> let's talk about his accomplishments if you are a liberal. first of all, he passed the largest spending bill in american history with a bail out, he passed -- he did what
democrats have been trying to do since the early 1970s with obamacare. >> right. >> i mean, you could go down a list of his accomplishments and when you hear democrats talk about it sounds pretty good for democrats and pretty progressive. >> but if you are a liberal you say that bail out should have been bigger, we should have been more infrastructure spending. and on the healthcare obamacare backed away from the public healthcare option too fast. we didn't ever really have a shot at it. that's why they like bernie sanders because they feel let down by barack obama. >> a clear message, megyn, with hillary clinton with the fbi investigation, the e-mail thing hanging over here and now these speeches which play right against the message that is clearly winning for bernie sanders. >> it's just a disaster for her. last night was devastating. and the speeches are a real -- a real issue. we've been talking to contacts at goldman, contacts at companies to try to get context of what's in there.
we know she's probably said things that she regrelts, whether overly praising the financial industry or not taking on big business. this is a big future liability for her and not the only one she has, the fbi investigation and e-mails continue. she has struggled to do anything right over the last few weeks. it's a future period how they will be able to get their message on wall street which i really believe and believe for some time is the thing that's damaging them the most. she has no credibility on. >> ben ginsburg thank you very much. >> do you know what thaks tear of that? a message. >> i've been saying that for about two years. >> in the absence of a message these things stick to you. when you have a message voters look past your problems and your frail tease and they go to the message. she still doesn't have that. >> the message is not a long list, a long droning list that goes on and on and on until you have to interrupt her. that's not a message. that's not a message. that's a problem. donald trump says the
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that's crazy. >> donald trump talked about the difference between the trump candidacy and a trump presidency last night on nightly news. >> last night you used a pretty vulgar term repeating something someone in the crowd had said and i'm wondering to myself would you say that as president of the united states? >> no. >> with that seal on the podium. >> much different. >> are you going to be a different guy as president than the one we see out here. >> i went to the best school, i was a good student, i have an uncle who was one of the top, top professors at mit, i mean, there is a good gene pool right there. i have to do what i have to do. >> is this an act? >> no, it's not an act. last night i had thousands of people we had a great time and it wasn't my word it was a word that a woman kept shouting and i only repeated the word and the place was wild. standing ovation. >> but that doesn't mean it was
in good taste. >> when you're president or if you're about to be president you would act differently. i want to be ditch. when you're president you act in a different way, there is no question about that, and i would do that. >> so the man we see behind the podium right now in the campaign who pretty much says whatever comes to mind -- >> no, i don't say whatever comes to mind, in this kind it was almost like a retweet. it wasn't my word. >> along the way you've said a lot of things that have shocked along the way. >> sometimes i do that for effect to be honest with you. i think that's fine. >> any undecided voter in new hampshire is thinking i like him, but, boy -- >> and some are saying i love him because he's not politically correct. it wasn't a particularly bad word, by the way. >> and -- >> it was a retweet. >> 35% of people in new hampshire did not care. >> they did not care. >> now, i will tell you this, they will care, being a southern guy, they will care in south carolina. >> yes, they will. >> they will care in alabama, in
mississippi, in florida, in alabama, especially women. >> he's going to have to work hard to get a certain someone's wife back on his side. >> he better not talk like that where we come from. >> where we come from. >> we don't talk like that. >> he better get his bible out, quote 2 corinthians and forget about jones university. >> learn at least two or three books of the bible. >> he does point out that they call it 2 corinthians in europe. i did not know this. i can tell you where i was born and lived for most of my life and where you were born they don't call it 2 corinthians. >> and you don't say -- coming up chris matthews and chris jansing join the table plus our interview with jeb bush. we will be right back with a special extended edition of "morning joe." >> it just keeps going. it's like the jerry lewis telethon.
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