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and today the perceived democratic front-runner is regrouping in a state she won in 2008 but took a huge loss this time here. and donald trump leads new hampshire with a resounding victory today, winning the state by more than a two to one margin over his nearest competition, a confident john kasich. >> somebody wants to mess with me, they're messing with the wrong guy. i'm not going to sit there and be a marshmallow and have somebody pound me. my two daughters said, daddy, we think you won because we're not so sure that mr. trump will last. but, look, we'll see what happens. >> the new hampshire results transformed this race. it is tight. bernie sanders 22-point margin of victory gets him strongly into the delegate race against clinton. and john kasich's second place finish puts him in the log jam to be donald trump's main
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competitor. peter, let me start with you, covering the kasich campaign. this is a guy who has enjergize and seems ready to go. >> good to see you. right now we're in a small venue with a big crowd. as john kasich said last night it feels like a switch has been flipped. he initially went as he described it effectively inobscurity and then he is on the eyes of this country right now as he believes he is the candidate who can best compete with donald trump and ted cruz in this state as he described it to me, he is the little engine that can. to give you a sense of how he thinks he can do this, it's not here in south carolina specifically, though they are seeing their audiences grow here, probably 400 people or so arrived. they only had 90 on their rsvp list, they said yesterday more than 1,000 expected at events later this week, it's a campaign
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that's growing but really has its eyes less on south carolina than it does on other states like michigan, ohio, illinois, pennsylvania, states where the voting doesn't take place until march. of course the real challenge for the kasich campaign right now is going to be raise money to do it quickly. this is also a state where retail politicking helps but winning on the air waves is as valuable as anything. in the eyes of aids to the governor, they believe that pressure is really on marco rubio and jeb bush in this state. they're confident they already punched their ticket to keep going. chris? >> and we're already seeing a little bit of kasich and bush going at it the two governors, two establishment guys. let me play a little bit of tape from today. >> he had a one-state strategy and it was effective and i commend him for the campaign he ran in new hampshire. john is a good man. he served as governor for the state of ohio. he has done a good job, but he is not as conservative as me and his record is not nearly as good as mine. >> the bush campaign, they spent
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$120 million and they have like four delegates. they got blown out in iowa and did poorly in new hampshire. so, they are spending all their money going negative. and when you pound me, i'm going to have to defend myself, but i think it's sad. >> so i guess the big question now is how does john kasich really build on this momentum? can he make a true play just on momentum essentially? >> well, that's a good question. when i spoke to him what he said to me is i think we're really on to something with the positive nature of this campaign. and what we described so many times as sort of an angry, churning electorate right now, he has been in effect the anti-dote to that anger. you talk in language about bringing people together, uniting the country. not republicans and democrats. a few minutes ago a democrat here at this pizza place event said that he has her vote right now, but again to be very clear, they are focussed further down
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the line. those winner take all states, okay, those are the states like illinois and michigan and others. we'll toss it right back to you, chris. >> thanks so much, peter alexander, appreciate it. let's stop for a moment and consider what has happened here. a political knee owe fite who started the race as a joke frankly has not just won the first primary, but he crushed it and he is taking a victory lap in just a couple hours, donald trump with a rally in pendleton, south carolina and joining us now from there, nbc's kerry sanders. kerry, what are we expecting today? >> well, chris, he'll be the first politician that anybody can remember here in small pendleton, south carolina, who will go into thearena a rodeo arena. this is what donald trump has been doing. he has been doing the air game, traveling in his private jet from city to city to city. ted cruz is number two in the polls here following donald
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trump. donald trump at 36%. ted cruz at 20. so it's no surprise that ted cruz has decided to release another commercial, this commercial does several things. it is entertaining. it certainly gets your attention. and whether you agree with it or not, it certainly makes a point. take a look. >> look, i got the trump action figure. >> no, way, it's huge. >> what does he do? >> he pretends to be a republican. [ laughter ]. >> i like bail outs for the banks. >> too big to fail. >> i gave money to pelosi and anthony wiener. >> hey, hillary, i'll give you money to be my friend. check out my house, mr. trump. >> that's a lousy house. i'm going to take your house with eminent domain and park my limos there. >> eminent domain. >> eminent domain. >> we wouldn't tolerate these values in our children, why would we want them in a
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president? >> so, how does a commercial like that impact voters? well, in a poll that we conducted in january, 56% of those likely republican voters who already decided that they were going to vote for donald trump or for ted cruz said that they would not change their minds. they were soldly behind the candidates they choose. so an ad like this could impact those on the fence, not sure who they are going to support, but interestingly that commercial to me did the most important thing, it got you to stop and look at it. it certainly an unusual commercial, three little boys playing with dolls at a doll house talking about whether donald trump is a republican or not. i suspect we'll hear donald trump later this evening when he gathers here take that commercial on directly. >> yeah, that will be interesting because there haven't been that many commercials for all the ones we have seen that make you stop and look. marco rubio has to pull off something dramatically in south
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carolina because he took a sha lacking in new hampshire last night, finishing fit. remember, he was the republican with momentum coming out of iowa. an advantage he belatedly adm admitted he squandered with a bad debate performance and he promised supporters it wouldn't happen again. fulfilling that promise has to happen now where he took the stage moments ago. gabe gutierrez is following the rubio campaign. has he taken the stage yet? >> hi there, chris. good afternoon. he just took the stage a few moments ago. we just got off the charter plane in spartanburg from massachusetts. it was a disastrous for marco rubio especially for a candidate that had been flying so high before that horrible debate performance on saturday. it ended up being a massive deal in this primary because according to the exit polls, 65% of republican voters mentioned that the debate was an important
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factor. now, marco rubio at first on sunday, he insisted it wasn't that big of a deal, but today we learned on that charter plane that, yes, he realized late that night when he saw the media coverage, that's when he first started to get an inkling of just how bad that debate performance was. he did not talk about it on sunday and did not address reporters because he says he didn't want to effect moral within the campaign, but yesterday he was forced to acknowledge it. he apologized to his supporters because he says they have been working so hard and he owned it. now, i also asked him about that second time that he repeated that line in that speech on monday and he repeated the line twice in the same stump speech and his critics used that as. evidence he is a scripted candidate. here is his response to that question. >> it's lines. part of it was for -- yeah, but that was for emphasis. what ichted to emphasize when i said that was i had forgotten to say the values we teach in our
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home and in our church. it was for emphasis. i mean, let's not get ridiculous here. every candidate -- >> so marco rubio's campaign trying desperately to move past new hampshire. they say they have the ground game here in south carolina. they say that they are not worried that donors may go to other establishment candidates and he has another event here this afternoon but then he is heading back to washington for a vote on north korea sanctions. chris, back to you. >> yeah, another criticism he has faced about the number of votes he missed. thank you, gabe gutierrez. rumors are swirling about hillary clinton campaign reboot after that big loss to bernie sanders last night. they're looking at everything from campaign strategy to messaging. and she's holed up with no public appearances scheduled today. by contrast, bernie sanders was out this morning trying to sure up his weakness with black voters with a meeting with reverend al sharpton. let's start with bernie sanders. there's an old saying that
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nothing breeds success like success, right? so, big endorsement already this morning? >> very big endorsement this morning from the writer for the atlantic, the very popular black intellectual who wrote about reparations. he was very critical of bernie sanders. now saying he is going to vote for him, that's a big move specially heading into south carolina where bernie sanders really needs to try to make in-roads with african-americans, something he struggled with horribly so far this campaign. but he is chipping them off one by one, trying to eat into that southern firewall that clinton has, not just in south carolina but a lot of march 1st states as well. >> we have a very different kind of electorate, very diverse electorate here than there. hillary clinton in one of the latest polls she was leading bernie sanders with mie jurorty voters with 80 to 20%. he is not going to change that around but he certainly needs to make in-roads if he is going to have a chance in south carolina. are there lessons, though, from what happened here, do you think, moving forward? or is this just a completely different ball game? >> you know, it is a different
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ball game and that's really the message from the clinton campaign. they were trying to sweep last night under the rug as quickly as possible. clinton got on stage, conceded, got out of there. they didn't pent past 11:30 p.m. that said, i think the message is something that is going to be looked at. she shaz been all over the place changing her message from day to day. it will be easier for her to zero in on the few key things when she heads to a more diverse electorate. she can talk about obama care and having barak obama's back bernie sanders did not. but there still are larger issues with this campaign and with the candidate in iowa, new hampshire, she is underperforming where she should be right now. >> let's look at some of the exit polls here. sanders beat clinton among women by 11 points, democrats by 4, moderates by 19. that's the clinton brand. >> this is across the board almost every way you slice or dice the electorate last night it went for bernie sanders. this is a state that she has
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won, that her husband came in second, but launched his political career. this is a real loss and it's more than they expected. for the sanders' campaign, it's bigger than they expected. they're raising a huge amount of money off this. they're going to claim an enormous amount of momentum and it will propel them into these march states which clinton really hoped to do on the cheap. think hadn't put a lot of staff there. they hadn't put a lot of resources there. they were hoping to sew this up in new hampshire and iowa and quietly ease him out in march. now they'll have the long slog that sanders campaign promises will go until the convention in july. >> thank you. so if one thing is clear after last night's primary, it's that the political establishments of both parties are in a little bit of shock as voters there delivered a clear message in choosing two outsiders, sanders and trump. >> let's welcome -- >> because of a huge voter turnout -- and i say huge!
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we won. because we're honest, the energy and the excitement that the democratic party will need to succeed in november. >> i love you all! thank you, new hampshire. thank you, thank you, new hampshire! thank you. we are going now to south carolina. we're going to win in south carolina. i love you all. thank you very much. thank you. thank you very much. >> joining me now to take a closer look at how all this unfolded and what lessons we learned are paul stine hauser, political director for new hampshire's nh1 news and dan tuwi. if you were an alien and you dropped down and you looked at what had happened, hadn't been around for a year or so you would say, what happened here? >> that's a great observation. what happened here, you've got an electorate that's angry both
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on the republican side and democratic side, angry at washington, angry at the establishment and the two anti-establishment candidates tapped into that and they thrived. >> they didn't just thrive, they really gave a pounding to everybody else in this race. >> it really was, it was a run away with donald trump and bernie sanders. but you saw some of the others on the republican side, john kasich had a heck of a night. ted cruz was a real surprise of the day as well. >> but it's all relative, isn't it? if somebody lost by double digits almost in any other year, it wouldn't be considered doing well, but you know i think after iowa you saw that marco rubio made third the new first and now you have people like john kasich and jeb bush claiming that this is propelling them into south carolina. are there lessons here, do you think, moving forward? >> definitely there are lessons here moving forward. one other thing i think we have to say is new hampshire maybe didn't do its traditional role of narrowing the field. only chris christie gets out later today.
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you have a bunch of establishment candidates the rubio, kasich and the bush, they're going to continue to divide the vote for quite some time, that only helps donald trump. >> anything from this election that gives us a clue about how this might all shake out in terms of personalities, in terms of the way they conducted themselves, in terms of their interaction with voters? >> no. i think for donald trump he finally got a win under his belt, he might be more bombastic, might try to dial it back, might try to be presidential. i highly doubt he will. it's still a very fluid race. we talked about this earlier, there's a lot of questions that haven't been answered. >> besides donald trump, the person who really benefitted from late deciders was john kasich. what's your sense of why that is? what was it that drew people to him in the end? was it an anti-donald trump vote? >> yeah. he did it the new hampshire way, tons of town hall but a positive message. he didn't go negative. a lot of voters like that. i want somebody who has a
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record, has done things, was positive and has a solution. that's john kasich. >> when you talk to the campaigns, one of their visions is that when the race narrows and it's donald trump and them, it's always of course going to be their candidate, then there is, they believe, an anti-trump sentiment, people who believe he is too bombastic, doesn't look presidential enough, that then there will be an opening for them to beat him. wishful thinking or maybe true? >> it remains to be seen. with kasich and donald trump it's david and goliath. up here kasich had a gruff perso persona. it came across well and he spoke in some smaller crowds as well, some smaller town meetings. nothing like the huge rallies that donald trump held. that helped him out. he was able to connect on a personal level with a lot of voters. >> chris, the problem may be though when you finally get that one establishment candidate it may be too late. that may not happen until late march. >> or later. >> so are you glad we're leaving? are you going to have a little
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bit of post partum depression? >> we'll miss you guys. we're a battleground state, you'll come back in the summer and fall. >> we'll be back. paul and dan, thank you so much. with south carolina and nevada on the radar of the presidential candidates now, we're asking as part of today's microsoft pulse question, can hillary clinton gain the support of young voters in the 2016 race? the pulse is live. be a part of the conversation now. cast your vote at and we'll share the results this hour. meanwhile, her opponent bernie sanders reaching out to african-american civil rights leaders. the interview with the candidate with reverend al sharpton is ahead. to paris. paris has the toughest gun laws in the world. france has the toughest gun laws in the world. we educate our children locally. we are going to preserve our very sacred -- >> so much. and i love the people. and i said i actually think they
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everybody is stepping it up a notch. jeb bush drawing contrast between himself and john kasich who he hopes to take out of the establishment lane in south carolina. right now bush is in fourth place here in new hampshire, but is spinning it as a victory, giving him momentum going into south carolina, where he has spent money, where he has infrastructure in place and he has the support of senior senator, lindsey graham. now the bush campaign will start airing a radio ad today in south carolina that features his brother. >> this is president george w. bush. we live in troubled times with the military deployed around the world. we need a strong leader, with
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experience, ideas and resolve. there's no doubt in my mind that jeb bush will be a great commander in chief for our military. >> joining me here is robert costa, national political report ert for the washington post and he got no sleep last night, but we're going to soldier on. is fourth the new first? is that what jeb bush is telling us? >> it's a logical move for the former florida governor. he senses because he beat marco rubio here in new hampshire he has a path forward, he has the military history and his family, his brother is one of the most respected hawks in that wing of the republican party. it's still going to be tough for bush, though. it's a crowded field, as you said in this establishment lane. >> something that i think is -- we don't talk enough about is sort of the dynamic within campaigns. we do when things start to blow up and they're replacing people, but in the day to day slog that is a campaign and this one is awfully long for it only being february, what i sensed was this
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energy coming out of his campaign that we hadn't seen in a while. that's what races like this can do, the smallest things can sort of change the dynamic, change the attitude and help the candidate frankly. >> i think that's spot on. it's also fascinating to look at the political map and the way the campaigns do because as much as john kasich had a big night here in new hampshire -- >> and he did. >> he did. he came in second place, stunned a lot of people in the republican party. he doesn't have much of an operation in south carolina. instead his campaign is looking more towards states like michigan a more moderate electorate. if kasich is not going to play in south carolina and trump will be a run away winner, there's a room for a strong showing like jeb bush. >> how could this play out in south carolina? and what role does lindsey graham play in this? he is on fire for jeb bush. >> lindsey graham is a critical person for jeb bush. he has the t roos in the state. he has a political team that's helping out governor bush. >> someone is calling me. >> it's probably senator graham. >> you would think after all
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this time i would learn to turn off my phone. >> what you're seeing here from senator graham is he knows there's a lot of hawks in the state, a lot of military veterans. if bush is going to come in second or third in south carolina, it's going to be because of military veterans like senator graham and his allies. >> let's also look at sort of the big picture, which is when you have donald trump in south carolina, again, this big anti-establishment candidate a behemoth, even lindsey graham says we're not going to beat donald trump. do you ignore him until you find that lane? >> does someone spend money on the air waves against donald trump. beating him on the ground is difficult. south carolina not like new hampshire. you can't have a lot of town halls over the course of the year and build a relationship with the electorate in south carolina. it's a compressed primary contest. and so what you're seeing also in south carolina is a state that embraces an outsider, who won it in 2012? newt gingrich running at the
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anti-media candidate, running as a populist. >> that's right, robert, good to see you. >> thank you. >> see you in south carolina in a few days. >> i have to go home and do laundry. >> no kidding. up next, i don't mean that for you, i mean that for me. bernie sanders goes on a new york blitz after dealing a serious blow to the clinton campaign last night. and the hits keep coming today as an influential young voice in the african-american community announces he is backing sanders. >> i'm thrilled to see an actual radical, left wing, uniquely left wing option in the democratic party. if we can't get the left, we on the left can't embrace this idea that black folks have been specifically injured and there should be specific remedies for that injury, we have no hope. before earning enough cash back from bank of america to help pay for her kids' ice time. before earning 1% cash back everywhere, every time. and 2% back at the grocery store.
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community, but i think most importantly i think the reason we'll do well is our views on criminal justice in this country and that is we have a broken criminal justice system. why should we in america have more people in jail, largely african-american and latino, than any other country on earth? >> that was bernie sanders in new york today on "the view." but first this morning, he met with reverend al sharpton in harlem, fresh off his huge victory in new hampshire, he's trying to sure up support with african-american voters as he looks ahead to south carolina's primary. check out this number, the latest nbc "wall street journal" marist poll, they prefer hillary clinton to sanders 74-17%. now, that number is there three weeks ago. could things change? reverend al sharpton has more. >> you had a great victory last night. >> we did. >> and you are now moving into
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nevada and south carolina. how do you intend, because clearly new hampshire and iowa are mostly white states, if not literally white, how do you intend to now deal with a diverse populous in both south carolina and nevada? >> well, in a couple of ways. first of all, we are going to do well when voter turnout is high. that's what happened in new hampshire and actually happened in iowa as well. and i think we have the issues, we have the agenda, we have the ground troops to rally the people of nevada and south carolina. and i think it comes down to two things. number one, it comes down to what we believe and what we are fighting for economically and what we're fighting for in terms of social justice and criminal justice. in terms of economics, the people of nevada as well as any state in this country know what wall street has done to them. they were devastated by the wall street crash.
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and our view is that at the end of the day, it is time for the american people to tell wall street enough is enough. you have a handful of banks with incredible economic and political power and you know what, you know what teddy roosevelt, good republican would have done today if he were here, break them up. that's what we have to do. you have to raise the minimum wage to a living wage, 15 bucks an hour. we need health care in the united states for all people as is the case in every other industrialized country. fourth, we need to make public colleges and universities tuition free. we need to create jobs. we need to ask the wealthy and the powerful to stop paying their fair share of taxes. i think we have an economic agenda that makes sense in nevada where you have a large latino community. we are working very, very hard on immigration reform, on a path towards citizenship through comprehensive immigration reform. i think we have the agenda in nevada and i think we have the agenda in south carolina that once the word gets out, who i am, what we stand for, we're
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going to do just fine. you can see the reverend al sharptop's full interview with bernie sanders and hillary clinton this weekend on "politics nation" sunday at 8:00 a.m. eastern right here on msnbc. next, 17 days until the south carolina primary. we discuss ground game and strategy with two people who know the state best. i take pictures of sunrises. it's my job and it's also my passion. but with my back pain i couldn't sleep... so i couldn't get up in time. then i found aleve pm. aleve pm is the only one to combine a sleep aid plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. and now... i'm back. aleve pm for a better am.
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it will help us enormously in south carolina. >> you know a lot of people mocked marco rubio for spending a third place finish into a win. are you trying to do a little spin here? >> no, we just needed to be competitive and we were. we got nine points in 30 days. jeb is moving in the right direction and only gets better for jeb in south carolina. the first three states, south carolina has always been his strongest state. this helps a lot. >> we know that you have an infrastructure, they're depending on you a lot and on the people you know, having said that, who is the big competition there? >> well, i think trump will do well. our goal is to become the alternative to trump after south carolina. highest percentage of veterans of any place in the country, we're going to make this a referendum on commander in chief. i'm going to try to prove to people, you owe it to those in the military to pick somebody of good judgment and good temperament to lead our nation in a time of war. i think that will sell today.
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>> ted cruz has a great ground game a lot of people there. >> he'll be competitive. he'll be somewhere between new hampshire and iowa, but we'll do better with the evangelicals in south carolina than we did in iowa because the bush family. >> why? >> the bush family goes way back in south carolina, 43 is very popular. lot of respect for the bush family. they're good, solid people and the people in south carolina respect what this family has done for generations. >> finally, very few people know the state as well as you do and the politics in that state, where can you finish there? >> i think he can do exceedingly well. i don't know if we can beat trump, but i think we can give him a hell of a run. there's just so many people in the field. once this field consolidates, donald is toast. it begins to consolidate after south carolina. we're going to prove to the people in south carolina that jeb bush is the best qualified to be commander in chief and after south carolina he is going to do very well. the field begins to consolidate. >> now i want to bring in indicaten dawson, former chair of the south carolina republican party who was working for rick
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perry but is now unaffiliate md ch thanks for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> you know the issues as well in south carolina. where do you see the field? how might this happen? what do you see playing out? >> chris, let me unpack some of the teams here. senator graham has it right. there's about 50% of this vote that's persuadable right now. donald trump is in a good place with what they call closet trump voters. folks who are whispering i'm thinking of voting about donald trump. he is in a good place. four years ago newt gingrich was in third place. he had a tea party organization behind him, two really good debates. but when you look at the organizations here with a debate on saturday night and the flexibility of the electorate and the fact that george bush 43 is coming in next week, this is going to scramble the deck. you've got karl rove operatives and a guy named lee atwater that trained all of us.
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the rubio campaign, don't undersell them. they have pretty good operatives trained by rove and bush. they know how to do get out the vote. cruz did one for mark sanford re-elected him to congress after all the crisis. they're pretty good teams all here operating and working. looking at a vote turnout of 700,000 people. that's the difference in iowa, new hampshire and south carolina. south carolina has always made the correction of the first two states. we did 605,000 in 2012 which was our largest turnout, so we're looking at a huge turnout. give donald trump credit to some of that. and also a pretty large breath of decent, qualified candidates. >> we're going to have a big fight for those evangelical voters that lindsey graham talked about. but talk to us about the nascar voters. who they are and why they're so critical for south carolina. >> well, let me tell you, nascar voters are evangelical voters, they're conservative voters.
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they're sometimes 250,000 of those 700,000 voters don't normally vote in a republican primary and show up in presidential election cycles. those are voters that go to a nascar race to watch for the wreck, not just cheer for the leading car. and the wreck is going to start coming with negative campaigning, with positive re-enforcement. saturday night is the benchmark, that debate, probably won't have a large audience, but you'll watch what surrounds it on sunday and monday. us in the business know what's going to start coming monday, tuesday and wednesday. that's going to be start comparisons. the thing that confuses me the most is everybody is going for the silver medal and the gold medal they seem to give it to trump. i see some vul nerkts in the trump message age organization. he created tremendous crowds. doing it again next week. he has done something for our party that our party leadership
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needs to pay attention to, but that's going to create opportunities like it did in new hampshire and in iowa for these handful of very competitive campaigns that can afford to compete here. i think we're missing the vote on who actually can afford to compete here in south carolina right now. >> thanks so much. it's good to talk to you. now for a deep dive on the democratic side in south carolina, i want to bring in jamie harrison, who is chair of the democratic party there. jamie, you've interviewed both bernie sanders and hillary clinton. you saw what happened last night, big divide, big win for bernie sanders. where do you see this playing -- momentum playing -- this divide playing when they move into south carolina? >> listen, it's south carolina, south carolina, south carolina. south carolina is playing its role. howard dean had a great idea in 2006 of bringing a state with a large african-american population into the early state
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window. and south carolina was that state. and we played a role in 2008 and really helped to decide where the presidential race was going. and i think this time around, south carolina will play a very similar role. here in this state in 2008, 56% of those folks who voted in a democratic primary were african-american. and 61% of the voters in the democratic primary were women. so, the key demographic, chris, is african-american women. and i think that is where the secretary clinton and senator sanders have to have a laser like focus. they have to focus on african-american women. senator sanders has to convince these women that he is the person, the best person to carry the water on the issues that are important to them. health care, education, you know, criminal justice. >> and how does the black lives matter movement play into all
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this? >> well, i think the black lives matter movement really has an influence on young african-americans, young african-americans on college campuses, those folks the millennials that are under the age of 30, i think they -- black lives matters influences them. one of the big things that's come up and has been this discussion about the clintons and criminal justice reform and the crime bill of 1994, just a little history behind that crime bill, chris, that is a bill that was cosponsored or written by vice president biden. i think senator sanders even voted for it when it came through the house of representatives. and so, the thing is, you know, i know people like to push this on one -- the clintons or what have you, but this is something that it was broad-base support within the democratic party. and so, all of those things need to be unpacked and i think over the course of the next few days
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they will be. >> it's going to be fascinating to watch, jamie harrison, thanks to you for coming on the program. and after going all in in new hampshire and only securing 7% of the vote, new jersey governor chris christie considers his next steps for 2016. >> we've decided that we're going to go home to new jersey tomorrow and we're going to take a deep breath, see what the final results are tonight because that matters whether we're sixth or fifth and we will make a decision on our next step forward based upon the results that coming here completed here in new hampshire. in new york state, we believe tomorrow starts today. all across the state the economy is growing, with creative new business incentives, the lowest taxes in decades, and university partnerships, attracting the talent and companies of tomorrow. like in utica, where a new kind of workforce is being trained.
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♪ chris christie just got back to new jersey today where it's not clear what his next steps are for his campaign. sources do tell kelly o'donnell, he is going to take some time
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today to think about things. while the rumors are swirling he will drop out as soon as today after that disappointing sixth place finish in the new hampshire primary here. but just as the new jersey governor thinks about getting out of the race, former new york mayor, michael bloomberg tells the "financial times" he may be ready to get. let's bring in beth fouhy. we have not confirmed that chris christie is dropping out of the race, but he did cancel an event in south carolina today. he is back in jersey. is the only question really when? >> yeah, it really kind of is, chris. think about it, chris christie really predicated his entire campaign on new hampshire. placing sixth out of a field of eight just really doesn't get you the boost you need to go into the next state by any means. even if he had done better than that, it was unclear what his strategy was going to be because he had really built that whole campaign in new hampshire hadn't fanned out to the southern states the multi-states we'll see on super tuesday, march 1st. he didn't have much of a lane to
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grab to begin with. he also didn't have very much money. he only had $1 million in the bank going into this year. the fund raising would dry up, we are certain of that. it is really a matter of when and not if. >> so when you have a race that's this tight and you have all these people fighting for second place to be the alternative to donald trump, if christie goes, who benefits? who picks up his votes? >> it's unclear because it really depend on who his people were. i mean, you think about kind of the pitch he was making in the latter part of 2015 around terror, the fact he used to be a federal prosecutor and could really go after the terrorists better than a lot of other candidates. that issue has faded a little bit since that time. not so say it's not an important issue. but that was his big selling point. it has fallen flat. it doesn't appear to what voters are thinking about quite as much right now. i would say he is not -- he is clearly not going to throw his support behind marco rubio or marco rubio supporters really chris christie supporters. it's probably going to be more
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the jeb or the john kasich and other voters. >> he was in an interview with former mayor mike bloomberg, and he said if he ran, it would be as soon as march. what's the feeling out there? >> if he's going to do it, he better do it soon. he hasn't said so personally but he signalled through staff and supporters that he would get in the race or seriously consider it if trump or sanders were the ones really coming out and looking strong. and guess what? trump and sanders are the two candidates on either side looking strong. this would theoretically open up an opportunity for bloomberg to go for it. but you know what, chris? it is so hard running as a third party candidate in this country. just getting on the ballot is so hard, so complex. our system is really set up for two parties. even with his vast amount of
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we've been talking a lot about south carolina, but actually the next votes for democrats will be in nevada. huge test for the clinton campaign. hoping a more racially diverse electorate will revive her damaged operation. joining me now is event and politics reporter michelle brindle. it's good to see you. we know she's specifically done trainings with spanish language voters. in nevada, what's key here? >> well, i think hillary has been investing to much time on the ground here.
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it is going to be tough now that we're seeing a lot of momentum for bernie sanders, and voters who come to nevada's democratic caucus, they could vjust registr there the day of. it would lend itself to some of these non-partisans and undecided democrats to come in and vote for bernie sanders. i think what hillary needs to do is leverage the things she has here, including a very long list of influential endorsements, try to get the most out of that, to really kind of stave off the momentum we're seeing in the sanders campaign. >> yeah, the race right now, at least, isn't really close. but do you think momentum, and of course, this big influx of money that bernie sanders is getting, and they're going to throw a lot of it there, can he make up the difference? >> i think it's very much in play still. i think you've got a lot of younger voters. they're going to show up and they have shown to be favorable to bernie sanders, so i think
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both campaigns are fighting hard. this is not over, it's not decided for either person now. i think it's become even more competitive in the past few days. >> and quickly on the republican side, a number of the campaigns i talked to, they're not going to actually show up, i think, until probably after south carolina, it's such a tight race there. but who has the ground game? who has the infrastructure in place in nevada? >> you're seeing jeb bush, marco rubio and ted cruz all have really solid, traditional ground games where they're making thousands of phone calls and holding caucus trainings to try to introduce this caucus process to people who are unfamiliar with it. you know, those are the real traditional campaigns, and i think the way the republican caucus is structured, it's going to favor and reward to some extent campaigns that have a strong ground game. just because the caucus process is so unfamiliar to people and
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they're needing a lot of handholding from these individual campaigns to get them out there and to know what to do. so i think you're going to see those candidates making a stronger showing than we've seen maybe in some of the other previous campaigns. or previous elections. >> michelle, thank you so much for taking the time to talk with us. that's going to do it for me this hour. my colleague kate snow picks up our coverage after the break. i'll join her to discuss the lessons learned from new hampshire as we look ahead to south carolina and nevada.
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hello, everybody. i'm kate snow live in manchester, new hampshire. a big day for the candidates who are not part of the establishment. bernie sanders being a more serious threat to the perceived frontrunner. donald trump won by a two to one margin, but some surprises in second and third place on the gop side. so what now? the two parties are going to split for a little bit. the democrats are focused on nevada voters next. hillary clinton has ten days to get back on her feet before democrats go to caucus there. meanwhile, gop is already in south carolina, dealing with a very different state than new hampshire. if you were hoping for a certain southern charm for the campaigners, well, maybe not. one rubio adviser says south carolina is going to be a bloodbath. a win there could be a turning point, and here's why. people in south carolina are very good at this primary thing.
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since 1980, republicans have correctly chosen the event wual nominee except one. kelly o'donnell is covering new jersey governor chris christie who at this hour is deciding the fate of his campaign. peter alexander is following ohio governor john kasich in south carolina, the surprise second place finisher, and deb will tell me about others. let's talk about last night. i brought out a couple newspapers here. it's the front page of every single newspaper in the country today, right? sanders and trump. surprising but not surprising. >> i mean, i'm still trying to process it in a lot of ways. let's look at the republican side where you basically have an organization, the rnc, who wanted to make sure they got to a nominee early. now we have this muddle, a
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donald trump who is showing this is not just about anger. that enthusiasm can actually translate into votes. the person who came into second, john kasich, arguably has momentum. remember, he got less than one out of every five votes. that's not exactly an argument for being a nominee. you have ted cruz who is second in the delegate count, but a lot of establishment republicans who like him far less than they like donald trump. and then jeb bush, who is trying to forge ahead, who has got a lot of the money and still has organization in these next states, south carolina in particular, but who still hasn't been able to ratchet up that enthusiasm. so you have this crazy race going on, and look what happened to hillary clinton? >> let me play a little sound we got on "the view" this morning. bernie sanders made a stop at "the view" on abc, and this is
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what he had to say about president clinton. president clinton made a lot of very strong comments about bernie sanders. take a listen. >> i was disappointed in president clinton. i've known him for 25 years, and i like him and i respect him, and i hope this campaign does not degenerate into really -- >> he's fighting for his wife. >> i understand that, but nonetheless, let's keep it on the issues, not making personal attacks. >> i'm not sure there's much chance that it's going to all be nice and friendly for the next couple of weeks. >> no, and for bill clinton, this is very personal. he can't believe what he's saying. he lived through it, obviously, with his wife in 2008. then he kind of tried to back off some of the tough comments that he made, but it was a little bit like -- i really didn't punch my little brother but he deserved it. you know, so it's going to be interesting to see going forward. >> chris jansing, thanks for wrapping it up for us. governor chris christie, as we mentioned, back home today in
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new jersey after a disappointing finish in new hampshire. during his concession speech, he spoke about sixth place, his finish here in the primary. >> for the people who have known me for a long time, and there are a lot of folks in this room who have, i have won both elections that i was supposed to lose, and i've lost elections i was supposed to win. so we're going to go home to new jersey to wait. by tomorrow morning, tomorrow afternoon we should know what the vote count is, and it's going to allow us to make a decision about how we move from here in this race. but there's no reason to go sit in south carolina in a hotel room to hear that. we'll go home. we haven't been home for two weeks. so we can actually get a change of clothes. >> nbc's kelly o'donnell joins us on the phone. she's headed to trenton, new jersey where the christie family is. what do we know at this hour, kelly? >> reporter: i think this is a time, kate, for governor chris christie and his wife mary pat
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to catch their breath. they just got home in the last hour or two to new jersey after a late night and a very disappointing one in new hampshire. the expectations are that a decision will come as early as later today. some advisers and sources say it could extend into tomorrow. why is that? it's important for someone like governor christie to sort of take a look at where things are, not just the numbers, but to spend some time reaching out to donors, supporters, the staffers on the campaign, those kinds of relationships matter, and they go forward even if his campaign does not. so taking a little time does seem like his plan today. but we should know very soon. i don't get any information from anyone close to christie in his circle or working directly with him that he will be staying in the race. but they want to give him the time to make a decision and to announce the decision on his own
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terms. it was, for christie, very disappointing in a year where he was not brash enough when you have someone like donald trump, he was not quite conservative enough when you have someone like ted cruz, and not quite establishment enough when we saw the rise of marco rubio. even though chris christie was very proud of his debate performance and believes that it's important to, quote, speak your mind, it just didn't add up for him this year. so we don't know if there will ever be another campaign, but all indications would be this will be the time to end it, but the official word will belong to the governor, and that could come as early as this afternoon. kate? >> kelly o'donnell reporting on that. kelly, thanks so much. the results in new hampshire weren't all bad for establishment republicans. john kasich finished in second place, as we mentioned, and jeb bush did better than most expected. he spoke at a rally just a short
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time ago. >> we can do this. we can do it together. and my pledge to you is i will run with heart as a candidate. i will not veer from what i believe to be true. i will stand on conservative principles, and i am the guy that can beat hillary clinton in the fall. >> jeb bush already in south carolina, and that's where nbc's peter alexander is. he joins us on the phone now. peter? >> kate, we're now hopscotching between john kasich events. this is a candidate that many people in this country had not heard the name of. as he admitted to me, for months we lagged in obscurity, but now it's like a switch has been flipped. we went from no attention to tons of it. he had an opportunity to speak to the nation last night, speaking right after donald trump this morning, doing national network morning television shows, and his campaign realizes that attention is critical, as important to take in those critical
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fundraising dollars they know they'll need to continue through the course of south carolina and other states to remain competitive. this is not natural terrain to john kasich here in south carolina, and a reporter a short while ago said it's a foregone conclusion that john kasich will win. but the real feud brewing once again will be john kasich, jeb bush and marco rubio. the kasich team is convinced that they punched a ticket that said they have the right to go forward, certainly to the midwestern states where the votes come in places like michigan, ohio in the month of march. in their eyes the pressure is on marco rubio and jeb bush to put up some numbers to indicate that they belong in this race any longer. that's where the fight begins. we will see kasich a short time from now. as he said to me last night as we watched the results come in, we kept plugging away and
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plugging away. i'm the little engine that can. kate? >> and getting a lot of attention today, that's for sure. peter alexander, thanks so much. bernie sanders' win last night in new hampshire cut into voting blocks that have typically been in support of hillary clinton in the past. with me now to dig into the exit polls of last night, senior editor beth fuie. bernie sanders did very well last night. >> he did. the only people supported were hillary clinton making 200,000. that's not a lot for her. compared to 2008, the way we saw things split with clinton and now president obama in that race, she got lower income people, where he got sort of the
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college educated, more economic people in that group. bernie sanders got both those groups. that's a problem for hillary clinton. >> and you look at people who don't have a college degree, you've got sanders way up among those folks, too. >> right, and it sort of correlates with the lower income folks, too. he does very, very well with those sort of downscale, white voters who have been kind of abandoning the democratic party, to be honest, over the horse of several years, particularly during the obama period. so the fact that bernie sanders has got a natural attraction for that group is very noteworthy and it's a problem for clinton. because again, secretary clinton is the one who would get those lower sort of white voters when she was running against obama in 2008. >> and women, that's something a lot of people are looking at from last night, the numbers among women, and not just young
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women. >> the numbers among women must be just crushing for hillary clinton. she lost at 20% to women. they came over for her at 13 points after voting for obama in iowa. not so fast this time. this time clearly women went for bernie sanders. all age levels except for sort of older women. that's the only break that secretary clinton saw in all of this. she does have support of older women, but basically anyone over the age of 45 is a big hurdle for her to climb. >> we saw that in nevada at events for clinton. you see my age and older as opposed to young women in a crowd. we'll head to south carolina again, also to nevada. south carolina's republican primaries are just ten days away. also on that same day, a saturday, hillary clinton and bernie sanders face off for 43
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victory rally. kerry? >> i'm in tiny pendleton here, kate, population 1260. i imagine we'll be seeing more people than the entire town because people will be coming in from the area. we'll be in the rodeo ring, but i doubt we'll see any bulls there, just the bull in the race. south carolina is the next big prize. the attention all now on trying to get the voters to turn out. interestingly, in south carolina, it's an open primary, so in ten days when folks choose to go to the republican primary, if they're democrats, they can still participate. they have to choose one or the other, and interestingly, those so-called reagan democrats, the conservative democrats, are expected to bleed over in this primary to the race of the republicans rather than sticking with the democrats. at least, that's what some of the operatives of the state here
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believe, so we're talking to some of those voters, and here's one who is, indeed, a democrat. >> i'm from a union background three generations, and people have been b.s.-ing us for years and years and years, and i see what donald trump did in new york with the building trades and just keeping people working, and that's what i'm all about. >> so as a democrat, you're behind -- i see on your hat -- >> donald trump. 100%. >> so we hear there from dan kerry, a democrat, who says he'll be participating in the republican primary in 10 days. the republicans had about 350,000 people who participated. they're anticipating 750,000 will participate in this primary. some of that is because of population growth, but the other part is a significant expectation of democrats participating in the republican primary here in south carolina. kate? >> kerry sanders down in south
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carolina with donald trump. president obama, meantime, has returned back to springfield, illinois. it's literally the day nine years ago that he announced his bid for the white house in springfield, and now he's speaking about the state of american politics. let's listen in. >> the fact is we've gotten a heck of a lot done these past seven years, despite the dwr gridlock. we saved the economy from a depression. we brought back an auto industry from the brink of collapse. we helped our businesses create 14 million new jobs over the past six years. we cut down unemployment rate from 10% to 4.9%. we covered nearly 18 million more americans with health insurance. we ignited a clean energy revolution. we got bin laden. we brought the vast majority of our troops home to their families.
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[ applause ] >> we got a lot done. we're still getting a lot done. and our political system helped make these things possible. the list could go on. there's no doubt america is better off today than when i took office. [ cheers and applause ] >> this is a speech where we have the standing up and the sitting down. come on, guys, you know better than that.
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[ applause ] >> no, no, no. i've got a serious point to make here, because this is part of the issue, right? we have an importation of our politics nationally, and on cable and talk radio, and it seeps into everything. the point i'm trying to make is, i care about fixing our politics not only because i'm president today or because some of my initiatives have been blocked by congress, that happens to every president. it happens to every governor and anybody who participants in democracy. you're not going to get 100% of what you want all the time. the reason this is important to me is next year i'll still hold the most important title of all. and that's the title of citizen. and as an american citizen, i
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understand that our progress is not inevitable. our progress has never been inevitable, it must be fought for and won by all of us. with the kind of patriotism that our fellow illinoisan described as the tranquil and steady dedication of a lifetime. it requires citizenship and a sense that we are one. and today that kind of citizenship is threatened by a poisonous political climate that pushes people away from participating in our public life. it turns folks off. it discourages them, makes them cynical. and when that happens, more powerful and extreme voices fill
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the void. when that happens, progress stalls. and that's how we end up with only a handful of lobbyists setting the agenda. that's how we end up with policies that are detached from what working families face every day. that's how we end up with the well connected who publicly demand the government stay out of their business, but then whisper in its ear for special treatment. that's how our political system gets consumed by small things when we are people that are called to do great things. to give everybody a shot in a changing economy, to keep america safe and strong in an uncertain world. to repair our climate before it threatens everything we leave for our kids. so that's what's on my mind as i come back to illinois today.
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this is what will be a focus of mine over the course of this year and beyond. >> we've been so focused on the choosing of the next president, but important to remember that the current president still has a schedule, and today he's decided to go back to springfield, illinois, again, the very site where he launched his presidential bid nine years ago on this day. returning to the general assembly of illinois and talking about the state of our nation's politics, saying he cares about fixing it. he's still president, he said we have a poisonous political climate, it pushes people away and makes them cynical. did not roughefer to the electi we're in the midst of now, but did say that cynicism brings voices in to fill the void. while the republicans will be voting in south carolina on saturday, february 20th, 2,000 miles away the democrats will be caucusing in nevada. it's a state very different than iowa and new hampshire.
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joining me now with insight is a gentleman who covered the last election. >> i didn't cover the election, but i covered the general assembly last year. >> on the democratic side, who are the voters of nevada? >> it's a very different kind of voter base than in iowa or new hampshire. there is a larger latino population here, a larger asian population here, and more union members than there are in iowa or new hampshire. so those will be key factors in the race moving forward. >> and republicans, a lot of trump fans out there on the strip or not? >> at the rallies i've been to, they've been very well attended, to say the least. had about 4,000 in one in
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november and another 2,000 in one in january, so they're definitely out there. >> i think when people think of nevada, they do think of las vegas, and they think of the casinos and well-fed money and rich people. maybe they don't think of people making minimum wage, but that is a big part of the economy out there, and for the democrats, i imagine that will be a big battle for bernie sanders and hillary clinton trying to get union support and casino workers support. >> the largest state, the culinary, has stayed out of the race so far. who takes them is kind of hard to say right now. you have sanders with the momentum. but hillary clinton has a very large organization here. she's been here for almost a year now. she's got volunteers all over the state, staff all over the state. that's not to take away from the sanders campaign. they have 11 offices across the state, too. and they'll really be hitting
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the pavement trying to get voters. >> the president says all hopefuls are planning to spend 6 million in nevada and 7 million on tv speakers and ad. >> this is president george w. bush. we live in troubled times with the military deployed all around the world. we need a strong leader with experience, ide experienc experience. there is no doubt in my mind that jeb bush will be a great commander in chief for our military. is it starting? >> i haven't heard any yet, but i'm sure they'll be coming very soon. >> seth richardson, thank you so much for being with us. appreciate it. >> thanks. our microsoft polls question is up. can hillary clinton gain the support of young voters in the 2016 race? you can vote now at
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>> you have a large population in new hampshire, but bernie sanders pretty much pulling even with her there. >> she has older women, if you look at that demographic, but it's a small slice. >> that's one. and the numbers with young people, no surprise, 85-15 in that region. no matter how you slice or dice the electorate, a lot of bad news. >> what is the clinton campaign saying about all that? are they saying they're dgoing o make changes, or are they saying last night was okay. >> they're making it clear they want to sweep this under the rug. she got there an hour after she gave her concession speech. i thought it was one of herbert speech -- her better speeches. her staff was handing out press releases saying she'll do best in south carolina. that's really where they want you to focus your attention, is south carolina and her strength
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are electorates. >> we had barbara go on the air as soon as we learned the results last night. i want to talk to you about bruno collins' article last night in the "new york times." feminism, hell and hillary clinton. he says she thinks we should vote for her because she's a woman. he writes this. i'm 51. my health is decent. and while my mother died young, there's longevity elsewhere in the family tree. i could live to see an openly gay presidential candidate with a real chance of victory. will there be a special place in hell for me if i, as a gay man, don't support him or her? it's a pretty pointed critique of the clinton strategy. he's addressing madeleine albright's comments over the weekend who said there is a special place in hell if they don't support women. people saying you're not going
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the right direction here, they have to be hearing that. >> there's a really interesting generational divide at what she's hinting at there, where older women are for hillary clinton. they understand how difficult it was for her to do what she did, rise through the ranks, be a lawyer, be a very prominent person outside of her husband. for younger women, i think that's not as relevant. they look at bernie sanders and they identify with issues, they identify with the brand he represents, so there is a really interesting difference there, and that's why you see such heated emotions when madeleine albright and gloria steinem made the comments they did last week saying they need to do rally with hillary clinton. she is struggling more this year than she did in 2008. and there are many voters who are excited by her. >> the ones who support her. >> they think she would be great for our country. >> alex, thank you once again.
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old, and number two, anecdotally i'm hearing about support beginning to surface in a number of african-american communities across the state. now, again, these numbers are very similar to what we saw in iowa a few weeks out, so it could close and it will close fast. i'm supporting bernie sanders because i think he's an inspirational candidate. and like bill clinton in '92 or barack obama in '98, both of whom i supported, i believe he is closest to bring this country and this party into the 21st century. >> the last time we had you on about a month ago, i pushed you on it and you said, i'm a joe biden fan. that's who you really wanted in this race. what do you think joe biden would be thinking today after last night's results? >> i don't think joe biden made a decision based on whether he could win or not. as i said throughout my support of him until he said he wasn't going to run, that if joe biden
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had run, he would have won. the issue was far more personal with joe biden. he lost his son last year. it's difficult for him and his family to get through that, and if he wasn't 110%, he wasn't going to run, and to be frank with you, i think he made the best decision for himself and for his family. i think it's the nation's loss, but obviously, he's got to do what's best for himself and the family. >> let me play one clip of bernie sanders from last night, from his big victory speech here in new hampshire. >> now, i have been criticized during this campaign for many, many things. every single day. that's okay, that's all right. they're throwing everything at me, except the kitchen sink, and i have the feeling that kitchen sink is coming pretty soon as well. >> dick, the kitchen sink is
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coming pretty soon. are you worried it's going to be a vicious battle in south carolina? >> i hope not. obviously in '08 when the clintons came to south carolina, it got bad, and i hope we don't revisit that same sort of campaign. bernie sanders has connection with african-american voters, for instance. he was on the march on washington with the reverend king, martin luther king. he was arrested in a civil rights demonstration, chicago around the same time. he has a long commitment to civil rights. i'm hoping that no one brings any sort of negativity to this campaign. but, again, we saw it in '08. it wouldn't shock me to see it again. >> good having you with us. thanks so much for joining us. >> thank you. let me bring in jeff weaver
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here for the campaign. i just heard you guys brought in $5.2 million since last night? >> yes. you may remember bernie said in his speech that he may hold a fundraiser. he asked people to contribute and they did. >> and they did. i wanted to play a little bit of sound. we had a chance to catch up with senator sanders on sunday. i asked him, the polls show you 25 points ahead. look how he responded. >> reporter: did you ever imagine you would be at this point? >> the answer is yes, i did. >> reporter: but up against one of the biggest democrats of all time, hillary clinton? >> if the question is, have we done better than i thought we would, yes, we did. >> 20 points up here in new hampshire. >> no, a lot of polls will be closer than that. i hope we win. we're working very, very hard. >> nope, nope, nope, he said,
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and guess what? 22 points. was that just trying to downplay expectations, or did you really not expect this. >> we saw a number of polls, including our own, but the lead at the end, was incredible in a lot of movement in the last few da days. i think there was probably a lot of movement in the last few days to senator sanders. >> they put out an article saying why they will win voters there. >> we're going to compete in both those states. in nevada we have more offices than anyone else in the state. we're going to work very hard there. the senator will be there. he'll be in south carolina. we're going to do what we did in new hampshire and iowa. >> good to see you. we'll get on airplanes a little
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i understand marco rubio spoke to reporters for 47 minutes today? >> that's right, kate. it was a big departure from the last few days. he and his advisers certainly seem to be making the point that you can ask him any question. he vowed to run a more stilted and less aggressive campaign. last night he apologized to reporters talking about the debate on saturday, taking the onus saying it's his responsibility and it won't happen again today. he said that once again. reporters asked him, what exactly happened there? and he said that he was really trying to focus so much on his message to take a more national message and not attack his fellow republicans that he just got carried away, and he just couldn't get past that talking point. now, i asked him specifically why it took him so long to apologize to his supporters and to basically own the fact that he made a mistake. here's his response to that. >> first of all, it wasn't clear how it was going to play out.
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the other is that's probably not the best time to demoralize people who already wonder what this means. they're out there knocking on doors and the last thing i need to be doing is memorialize them. you have to see how it plays out. >> reporter: now, the big question is, committee bounce back here in south carolina? he is headed back to d.c. later on today for a vote on sanctions on north korea. kate? >> all right, gabe gutierrez, thanks so much. mentioning that vote, the senate is supposed to vote on a newbill to impose further sanctions on north korea, as gabe said. senator rubio's crews both taking a break on the campaign trail to get back there to washington, d.c. but their counterpart bernie sanders chose to go to new york for appearances on "the view" and he'll be on the late show with steven colbert. now we go to luke russert. luke? >> hi there, kate. quite a significant vote because it gets both rubio and cruz to
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get back to d.c. rubio 50%, cruz 33%, sanders 17%. they missed all but one vote if you're cruz and sanders, two votes if you're rubio. why is this vote so important? national security on the republican side is a very significant issue. this year alone, north korea has launched what many believe to be a hydrogen bomb test as well as recently launched a satellite that had capability of going to the united states. this is something that will get a large bipartisan support tonight when it goes forward. it's targeted on north korea money areas within north china, areas where the government feels north korea gets aid from china that they should not get. john mccain saying simply, we need to make china pay for this because we need north korea to get the message that we're not going to back down, we're going to be tough.
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this is something rubio and cruz definitely want to get on the record with, and that's why they're coming back to washington. one thing rubio has liked to do in this campaign is mention his national security kcredentials. that's something that allows him to say, i may not run in state, but i know how to deal with foreign policy. kate? >> luke russert on capitol hill. thank you so much. will the campaign we saw in new hampshire transfer to the national stage? we'll speak to editor of the union leader, after this. if you've had a heart attack, a bayer aspirin regimen can help prevent another one. be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. bayer aspirin.
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well, the candidates have left new hampshire. they're on to their next stops, but they'll be feeling the effects of what happened in this primary for a while. we're speaking to trent spinner,
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congressional leader of the new hampshire union leader. we even spelled it pho nnetical last night and i got it wrong. >> polls started closing at 7:00, and within the first 15 minutes we knew who was going to win. republican towns were going strong for trump, and some democratic towns in the western part of the state, college towns, went for sanders. we knew it was pretty easy. we didn't want to say anything until 8:00 when all the polls closed, but it was an easy night. >> were you surprised hillary clinton downplayed her night, we knew this was going to happen, 29 points, we knew it was going to be that bad? did you know it would be that bad? >> i did not know it would be that bad. the clintons have a long relationship with new hampshire. they've endorsed her here, and she has a great campaign here. it's news to me how this
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happened, but i think it started way back in the summer. i think she just wasn't able to connect well with new hampshire voters, and sanders' message was clear, simple and resonated with young people here. >> you told me on the break that sanders gets a lot of delegates here, but maybe not all. >> there are two-thirds here in new hampshire. one quarter are democrats. right now not all the votes have been counted yet, but it looks like sanders is in the lead by four delegates. clinton already has six of the eight super delegates, including the governor, a congresswoman who said, i'm definitely voting for hillary clinton. do they hold these delegates through the convention? >> the math comes into play as we get to april, may, june. trent spinner, thank you so much for being with us.
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