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a good morning, i'm steve kornacki. the democratic candidates put on quite a show in milwaukee last night. they went head to head for the first time since bernie sanders' big win in the new hampshire primary. that added some extra urgency to the debate last night. especially for hillary clinton who was hoping to recover big from that defeat on tuesday. >> so we have a special obligation, we should not make promises we can't keep. >> every proposal that i have introduced has been paid for. >> once i'm in the white house we will have enough political capital to be able to do that.
>> secretary clinton, you are not in the white house yet. >> let's not in any way imply here that either president obama or myself would in any way not take on any vested interest. >> why in god's name does wall street make huge campaign contributions? i guess just for the fun of it. they want to throw money around. >> the kind of criticism that we've heard from senator sanders about our president i expect from republicans i do not expect from someone running for the democratic nomination. >> madam secretary, that is a low blow. >> nbc's kristen welker is in milwaukee, the site of last night's debate, the rest of our team fanned out across south carolina, peter alexander in columbia, hallie jackson and gabe gutierrez are in greenville, that's where republican candidates will be gathering for a faith and family forum later today. for more on how that debate unfolded i'm joined by kristen
welker. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. hillary clinton and bernie sanders traded jabs over everything from healthcare to foreign policy, but it was the issue of who is the better ally to president obama that unleashed the sharpest exchanges. take a look at a little bit more of that moment when secretary clinton accused senator sanders of being disloyal to president obama. >> calling the president weak, calling him a disappointment, i think that goes further than saying we have our disagreements. >> one of us ran against barack obama. i was not that candidate. >> reporter: clinton also said that sanders' policies for imposing universal healthcare were unrealistic. sanders firing back that his policies would lower costs for all americans. and when asked if sanders was thwarting history and the possibility of the first female president he said his presidency would be historic, too, but it was that issue over president obama's legacy that is really going to resonate with voters in south carolina. they of course have their
primary in just a few days. 60% of democratic primary voters are african-american, president obama is very popular there. so it will be interesting to see how that exchange plays in that critical state. sanders and clinton will face off tonight again at a party dinner in st. paul, minnesota. steve, back to you. >> thank you for that, kristen. let's bring in msnbc national correspondent joy reed, david corrine, "usa today's" bureau chief. joy, you're down in south carolina. let me ask you what you made of last night. obviously all of the repeated, repeated attempts to bring president obama into it on hillary clinton's part hard to believe, hard to imagine watching that scene last night that eight years ago she had that pretty bitter campaign against him. >> oh, how times have changed, steve.
hillary clinton of course was the on nent of barack obama in 2008 and some of the comments made by she and her husband in new hampshire that reverberated herd in south carolina, that was the story and that was the cleavage between herself and african-americans that she saw when she was running against then senator barack obama but as the former secretary of state to president barack obama hillary clinton's strategy in this campaign is to hug the president as tightly as possible. you saw her continuing to do that last night and, steve, i will tell you just walking around and talking with people here in columbia, south carolina, of course, president obama very, very popular. folks that we talked to who actually were predominantly bernie sanders supporters, african-americans, although the polls do show hillary clinton far ahead with black voters, but they also love barack obama. i think that's an important factor that both candidates have to keep in mind. >> david corrine, i guess that's one of the issues here, you look at this way this debate plays out over barack obama and the legacy of his presidency. i guess the key question on the democratic side is how much room is there in a democratic
primary, particularly a democratic primary in south carolina where after the electorate, more than half the electorate is african-american, how much room is there for a candidate like bernie sanders to say i'm not entirely satisfied with the president obama presidency? >> i think a lot has to do with how he goes about saying t if people think he's dumping on barack obama they'll hold it against him if he says it in a positive manner i think the president has achieved a, bc and i want to take us to d, ef and g then he can pull it off if they respond to his message. it's about his core message. if people down there respond to that i think what he hayes about barack obama can be put forward in a way that's not detrimental to him and that's the same thing with hillary clinton. i think she needs a core message that has to attract people and then her support for barack obama will boost her within that electorate. >> obviously a lot has been made in the last week and over the course of this campaign about the history making potential of hillary clinton's bid to be the
first woman president, you had madeline albright in the closing days up there in new hampshire with that line that there is a special place in hell for women who don't help other women. that line came up last night, but bernie sanders was actually then asked by the moderators if he was thwarting history by running against hillary clinton. here is his response to that. >> do you worry at all that you will be the instrument of thw t thwarting history. >> from a historical point of view somebody with my background, somebody with my views, i think a sanders victory would be of some historical accomplishment as well. >> so susan page, i'm curious about this. we've seen a lot of emphasis from hillary clinton and her supporters on the possibility of breaking that glass ceiling in the white house. at the same time we saw in new hampshire bernie sanders actually getting more female votes than hillary clinton. >> amazing. of course, bernie sanders would be a ground breaking candidate. he is already the first jewish person to win a primary and don't forget ted cruz is the
first latino to win the iowa caucuses. we are breaking a lot of barriers here and they're not getting much attention which is interesting, but hillary clinton faces a big problem, i think, with women voters and especially younger women voters. her deficit among wung women is striking and per flexing to her campaign. i think she hasn't quite figured out how to make up that deficit. it's going to be important for her to do more to appeal to young people than now. even when you talk about african-american voters you see this generational divide. i talked to jim clyburn this week, the congressman from south carolina. he says his own grandson is supporting bernie sanders even though his daughter is supporting hillary clinton. >> susan, do we know -- you mentioned that generational gap, the message there of let's make history, let's elect a woman president for the first time, why that resonates -- why that doesn't seem to resonate with younger women, why that resonates with older women? >> i actually think it's pretty obvious. older women have had life experiences of having to battle
their way to be considered for top jobs, to battle their way for promotions and career fields that were previously closed to them. younger women haven't had those experiences, they have a different perspective on life that's pretty natural and something that the clinton campaign has got to adjust to. >> bernie sanders obviously does it end to bring most of the discussions back around to combating income inequality. hillary clinton seemed to turn that against him at the very end of the debate last night calling him a single issue candidate. here is how she said that. >> here is the point i want to make tonight. i am not a single-issue candidate and i do not believe we live in a single-issue country. >> caitlyn burns, do you think she will get traction with that line of attack against bernie sanders? it is striking in these debates when it shifts to foreign policy, national security he doesn't seem to have as much as to say as he does on economic
issues, statement maybe economic issues are all the voters care about these days. >> it underscores her message that experience in all parts of the job are important. if that was her goal i think she accomplished that. the challenge, though, remains that that doesn't quite fit on a bumper sticker the way that bernie sanders' message does and i think that's the over arching challenge as she moves forward. we saw in her closing argument some kind of vision for the future but that has largely been lacking and that becomes an issue when she's talking about, you know, continuing and building upon the president's legacy. that does resonate with democrats of course but when you're trying to attract other voters into the fold i think that's where the challenge is. >> i also want to ask you, david corrine, we'll bring you in on this one, the issue of wall street coming up last night and again there was one where hillary clinton said all these criticisms from bernie sanders about taking money from wall street she said those same criticisms could have applied to president obama, to candidate
obama in 2008. if you're calling me bought and paid for by wall street you ought to be calling president obama bought and paid for by wall street but bernie sanders' response to that where he basically turned and said, look, we are not stupid, why do you think they give the money? that seemed to me a pretty devastating come back because people can understand that so easily. >> she is in a box when she tries to make a case on campaign spending because she tries to match bernie's rhetoric of crew said and saying she wants the end of the citizens united era, an end to dirty and dark money in politics and then when he points out you've taken some of that money she says it doesn't have an effect. so she's caught in this paradox to say it doesn't affect me when i've done it but yet i agree with you that we have to end this. it's not a very clear through line and she has sort of tied her hands by taking speaking fees, foundation money, holding fundraising events at goldman sachs and other places. she just can't sort of take that tar baby and scrape it off her.
that's a bad metaphor but nevertheless she can't escape what she's done in the past. >> susan, the bottom line, we've been talking about how how new hampshire, iowa, were demographically favorable to bernie sanders, the clinton campaign has been making the case over and over again it's going to all change when we get to nevada and south carolina. when you look at that debate last night and these next contests in nevada and south carolina did you see anything that you think might change the way those two states are going? >> i think we know that hillary clinton is really counting on a more diverse electorate to rescue her, her campaign has talked about south carolina as her fire wall. do you know what her shield is, it is barack obama. 21 times that's the number of times hillary clinton mentioned barack obama's name. he hasn't gotten this much love in a long time. >> anybody who remembers 2008 it is like a time warp here thinking back to that last night. that's a crazy thing to see in politics but that is why we love politics, i guess. joy reed, we will see you later in the hour with more on what
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there is just over a week to go now until the pivotal south carolina republican primary. this afternoon ben carson, jeb bush, marco rubio and ted cruz are all scheduled to speak at the faith and family presidential forum at bob jones university in greenville. nbc's hallie jackson and gabe gutierrez are there. hallie has been following the
cruz campaign and gabe has been with the rubio campaign. nbc's peter alexander is about an hour and a half to the southeast in columbia where john kasich will be holding the first of three campaign events today. hallie, let's start with you at the forum at bob jones university. you've been following the cruz campaign. ted cruz had done so well with evangelicals in iowa, key to his victory out there. i imagine that's the same formula here in south carolina. >> absolutely. that's part of his strategy, steve, as he heads into this state and it's interesting because what you've seen from ted cruz hover these last couple days in south carolina is an energetic referred up candidate. he seems to be feeding off the energy of the crowds coming out to support him. he's working to pull together a coalition of pastors, about 170 of them so far, in order to try to really get an in with the evangelical community here in south carolina. and he's got some 10,000 volunteers that have spread out across the state, trying to get people to back his message. the other part of his strategy is what every candidate does,
putting up television ads to try to sell their message. i want to play you a little bit of a clip from one that raised some eyebrows. watch. >> i voted for a guy who was a tea party hero on the campaign trail and then he went to d.c. and played patty cake with chuck schumer and cut a thiel oon amnesty. >> does that make you angry? >> it makes me feel dumb for thrusting him. >> maybe you should shoet for more than just a pretty face next time. >> it's that pretty face line and actress that is raising eyebrows because it has been revealed that she apparently has been the star of some adult films, the cruz campaign issuing a statement saying that obviously they didn't know this, they are pulling the ad and will replace it with a different one but that's something that's making waves this morning. not exactly the message that the cruz camp wants to be sending in south carolina but apparently inadvertent on their part. steve, we always talk about something interesting, adults films today, what are we going
to talk about tomorrow? that's the real question. >> this campaign is full of surprises. gabe is next to you, he has been following the rubio campaign. we will take the adult film aspect of this aside for a moment but clearly that ad directed at marco rubio and from rubio's standpoint his dream right now i think in this campaign was to have a clear shot at donald trump and shear he is interesting to mix it up with ted cruz and you have donald trump still in first place down there. it is a challenging situation for rubio. >> it is a challenging situation for marco rubio. of course, after that disappointing fifth place finish in new hampshire his campaign is really trying to reboot itself and since he has arrived in south carolina we've seen a less skriptd marco rubio when dealing with crowds, he has been more aggressive going after his vie valls, he mentioned donald trump, also ted cruz hard on immigration as well as jeb bush. he has gone after him on what he says is a lack of foreign policy experience. but i want to play for you what you said about donald trump yesterday basically making the
case that trump is too crude to be president. take a listen. >> even in our political culture i teach my kids to be respectful. there are certain words you don't say no matter what setting you're in, act with dignity and, you know, act -- hold yourself up and then you turn on the tv, you have a leading presidential candidate saying profanity from a stage. profanity from a stage. i mean, all these things undermine what we teach our children. >> and in the last few days since we arrived in south carolina we've seen marco rubio have very long press conferences, more than 40 minutes long at some point, he's also, again, trying to make that case -- or trying to shed that image of what his critics say is a robotic candidate. yesterday, for example, he said that -- he joked with the press, said he had cracked his molar on a frozen candy bar, but don't worry his campaign will go on. steve, as hallie was saying it has been a ps bizarre campaign.
so far. it is snowing in south carolina, we have adult film stars, we have snow, trump signing babies, what's going on. >> he were up there in new hampshire -- >> what is happening. >> you had to be saying in new hampshire the good news is we're going south now, i can get my shorts and sunglasses out. >> i feel like we are still in new hampshire. >> i need my boots again, yeah. >> upstate south carolina. i don't know. maybe it's the climate there. i have to learn a little bit about that. anyway, we will go from the snowy environs of upstate south carolina and we will go inside where it's warmer, peter alexander is in columbia, the state capital. you have your sweater, you're set to bear the snow if you need to. i guess you spent some time with john kasich yesterday. >> we spent some time with kasich over the last several days, speaking of weather outside he told us we will be getting rid of our snow shoes and bringing with us our flip-flops, not the case
outside. he has been this happy warrior, positive campaigner, just this morning coming out with two ads, his first ads now up on the air here in south carolina. take a listen to one of them. >> jeb is spending all of his time being negative. does he worry at all about his legacy? everything is trashing people. i mean, even trump -- i read today trump is like all this guy does is attack. he needs to start being more positive and i don't know what he's thinking. i don't know what -- does he realize the family legacy? >> obviously that wasn't the television ad but he is out with two new ads tonight, the first one that is called healing, it focuses on his own faith. part of his story that's been so compelling for people across new hampshire and now in south carolina is that he has been focused on solutions, he believes on a positive mission for this state. his campaign ads tell me their infrastructure can no longer keep up with the enthusiasm. the rs skrchlt ps have
quadrupled in recent days, 400, 500 people showing up at events where they are been expecting 90 before his second place finish in new hampshire. as for that challenge to jeb bush as we've been reporting on one of the top aids to john kasich basically said of bush who had formerly referred to himself as a joyful for tus that he is campaigning with all the joy of the texas chain saw massacre. they're trying to make a significant divide between the two, puts the pressure on rubio and bush. in the words of one aid this is a must win state for jeb bush. steve. >> all right. peter alexander in columbia, hallie and gabe in snowy greenville thank you for joining us. joining us now to assess the race in the palmetto state is matt moore, he is the chairman of the republican party in south carolina. good morning to you. matt, let me ask you this, you said recently that this race in south carolina is trump's to lose, you said his campaign is getting sharper every day. what's happening in iowa isn't necessarily what's happening in south carolina. is that still your assessment?
>> look, south carolina is famous for sweet tea, and political. >> i have fights. i'm interested to see what the polls say here in south carolina. what's true is that south carolina is going to play a big role in what comes next and to march. >> four years ago it was in south carolina that newt gingrich sort of running an anti-establishment campaign scored that big upset win, double digit win over mitt romney. some people look at that result and say, look, the character of the south carolina republican primary has changed. the traditionally it was they would affirm the establishment choice, whether that was john mccain or bob dole or george w. bush but the newt gingrich victory signified a grass roots uprising taking over the party in south carolina. is there anything to that? >> that's the big question. do we go back 50 years to that genteel politics and statesmanship in south carolina
or do we go to recent history of people like newt gingrich winning here in south carolina. i don't think the question has been answered yet. what i do know is that south carolina is twice as big as new hampshire and iowa combined, what happens here will be very important as we go forward in this race. all the campaigns have a lot of work to do and i think there are just a few tickets out of south carolina. >> do you think the crowded field, we always talk about how new hampshire is going to winnow the field, new hampshire and iowa winnow the field, chris christie is out of this race now but pretty much everybody else came down to south carolina. does that play to trump's benefit the longer it's divided like that? >> maybe, but i think new hampshire instead of giving clarity this cycle certainly expanded the field again. there's certainly five to six candidates here in south carolina who have a great shot. i think the debate here on saturday night in greenville, south carolina, may have a big impact on the race. of course, it did for newt gingrich in 2012 so we'll see. >> just a final question there, thinking back to that live shot
we just had from greenville. you live down there. how often does it snow in south carolina? >> it's a strange time in south carolina and that may just be a symptom of the politics or just the weather. who knows? >> matt moore, chairman of the republican party in south carolina. thanks for joining us. and as the democrats debated last night both hillary clinton and bernie sanders each had an eye on nevada talking about issues critical to that state like immigration. we will take a look at the very interesting voting demographics in nevada next. ♪ ♪ ♪ (vo) making the most out of every mile. that's why i got a subaru impreza. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. (cafeteria noise)
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>> bernie sanders and hillary clinton in one of their rare breaks with the president last night coming out against the administration's deportation raids. the politics and demographics of the next state on the primary calendar, nevada, those are unlike anything the candidates saw in iowa or new hampshire. joining us now is msnbc political analyst john ral boston, he has been covering nevada politics, he is mr. nevada politics. no one better to talk to on this, john. let's start with the lay of the land in nevada. this is the second time around, you guys have had an early presidential caucus as you're saying the demographics are very different out than than they were in iowa and new hampshire. statewide it's about 50% white. in 2008 when they had these caucuses it was a slightly more white electorate but this is still significantly different than we've seen in iowa and new hampshire. >> yeah, much different, steve. there are almost all white lake effect rats in iowa and new hampshire as you know. it was 30, 35% in 2008, the
first time there was a competitive caucus here. the predictions from the local democrats i trust here are that it could be up to 40% this time. it was only about 14% hispanic in 2008 but you've seen both campaigns in a pitched battle for the hispanic vote out here. you can see how different it is. bernie sanders has a hispanic congressman from arizona in las vegas today, you have a congressman basari coming in from hillary clinton. they are being overt about this. hillary clinton was here first as you know, she got to the state six months before sanders and she immediately did a press conference, press availability with a bunch of dreamers, talked about how she was going to do even more executive orders than barack obama. she just got a lot of those dreamers to endorse her, including a dreamer named ast rid silva. the battle has been public and
high profile. >> you're picking up on some expectations lowering on part of the clinton campaign. >> yeah, that's the understatement of the year, steve. you had a discussion just earlier in your program with some folks about how diverse nevada is. the clinton campaign after getting crushed in new hampshire suddenly started talking about how the electorate here was similar, how it's 80% white and they started putting out that message in an obviously calculated way including from the campaign manager, the national campaign manager who has worked in nevada and helped win nevada for hillary clinton in 2008. they know that's not true but to me it's just a sign that they are very, very worried that the sanders surge is going to come to nevada. i think they have reason to be concerned, steve. especially because it's a caucus and because there is same day registration a week from tomorrow. in 2008 they registered 30,000 voters on the day of the caucus, it was about a quarter of the turn out.
there is that enthusiasm here among young people for bernie sanders, too. so i think they're concerned and i think that's why they're doing as you described it lowering expectations as much as they possibly can. >> and there hasn't been a lot of good polling out of nevada, but one thing i've noticed, they have had a lot of talk about south carolina and the strength hillary clinton has with african-american voters there, the weakness that bernie sanders has with them. in national polling i've picked up on it seems to me maybe that bernie sanders gap with latino voters is not nearly as steep as it is with black voters, that something you are picking up on at all in nevada. >> i think that's true although again it's a difficult thing to measure because there's not very good polling and it's hard to measure what the hispanic turn out will be. but if it's the same in 2008 or thereabouts, which i think it will be, around 15% and hillary clinton can't dominate that cohort then i think bernie sanders is going to give her a problem. again, he has put out a list of hispanics who are supporting him, it's not even nearly as
impressive as what hillary clinton has put out, that's emblematic of what's going on across the country, she gets the big names but you have had this public battle as i mentioned including a defection from the sanders steering committee over to hillary clinton, the student union leader here a dreamer and leaking of e-mails showing she really was committed to sanders. this is the kind of stuff that just shows how intense this battle has become here for the hispanic vote when it was thought when hillary clinton first got here, hired some very well known hispanic activists and democratic politics to run her campaign here that she had that locked up. it doesn't look that way anymore. >> john ralston on the nevada caucuses. you matter this year. >> thanks for that. just how important is the evangelical vote in south carolina? four of the six remaining republican candidates are speaking today at bob jones university in greenville. we will go back there and talk about those conservative voters and the candidates that they are
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i lost my sight in afghanistan. if you're totally blind, you may also be struggling with non-24. calling 844-844-2424. or visit my24info.com. the 2016 republican campaign depose right through bob jones university in greenville, south carolina, today. four of the six candidates are scheduled to speak at the faith and family presidential forum, ben carson, jeb bush, marco rubio, ted cruz, they will all be there. joining us now from bob jones university is one of the moderators of today's event orin smith is president and ceo of the palmetto family council one of the groups hosting the forum. obviously the evangelical vote is hugely important in south carolina, maybe more important than it was in iowa. we saw in iowa ted cruz ultimately he won in iowa because he won the
evangelical vote. does he have a leg up in evangelicals in south carolina? >> well, he's clearly -- he's clearly working hard here. he's very well organized, he's got a good ground game. others are a little more organized than maybe people think. we are a primary not a caucus, we are more diverse than iowa, more like the typical republican voter. >> donald trump is not on the list of people who are going to be in at this forum. >> i think he should be here. i think maybe a family member ought to be here. he's got a large family that can serve as surrogates, but we will have a surrogate from his campaign today, a minister that will be speaking for him. so we're looking forward to that. that's good. >> let me ask you about the -- there's still some fallout from that issue of how ted cruz won iowa with the information being spread as caucus goers were
entering their crosswalk can you say locations saying ben carson was out of the race. ben carson took a lot of -- excuse me, ted cruz to task for that. donald trump just tweet this had this morning, he said how can ted cruz be an evangelical christian when he lies so much and is so dishonest. do you have a sense that those tactics in iowa have hurt ted cruz's standing? >> i think any strongly evangelical christian who runs for office anything that they do that has a political context it's going to go right to that. they're going to match it up with biblical calls for not bearing false witness and this kind of thing. i think, you know, this is the nature of politics, i don't know that one side has an accurate picture more than the other but it could be a factor. >> i'm looking back to the results in 2012, the exit polling in 2012, newt gingrich obviously won south carolina big and carried the evangelical vote pretty big. >> yeah. >> newt gingrich i think had been married three times when he
won, donald trump is on, i believe, his third marriage. what can you see that say? people nationally they look at the evangelical vote and expect evangelicals will vote only for fellow evangelicals. are we missing something in that analysis? >> well, i don't know if this is a trend, but there seems to be perhaps a trend of moving from someone who looks like us and thinks like us and believes like us about faith to someone who can take care of our beliefs, who can defend our agenda, who can -- it's almost like a biblical reference to a persian king who looked after his real but was not an israel light himself. some folks are making that analogy with the trump on coming strength. >> it does seem his message is i will protect you, i am strong enough to protect you, i've been picking up on that. oran smith hosting that event today, thank you for joining us. i appreciate it. >> thank you. i'm joined again by msnbc
political analyst david corrine, susan page and caitlyn huey burns. let's talk about the lay of the land on the republican side in south carolina. actually, donald trump getting into it a little bit here back and forth now with the bush family. i want to start by showing this, this is george w. bush of course in 2,000 his presidential campaign was saved in south carolina when he beat john mccain, a lot of people still talk about how he did that, but now he's back with this ad on behalf of
his brother. we can play a clip of it for you. >> i know jeb. i know his good heart and his strong backbone. jeb will unite our country. he knows how to bring the world together against terror. he knows when tough measures must be taken. experience and judgment count in the oval office. jeb bush is a leader who will keep our country safe. >> and then here is donald trump responding to george w. bush's
reemergence. >> he tried the mother that didn't
work out so good now he's bringing in his brother. i won't say anything. i'm going to save that for after his brother makes a statement because there's plenty to say about what happened. okay? especially that last three months. and especially getting us in that quick sand, you know? we got in quick sand. i was against the war in iraq. we have to be given credit for vision. i was against the war in iraq because i said you're going to totally destabilize the middle east and that's exactly what happened. >> caitlyn huey burns this would be kind of amazing when you think of the bush family and it's history in south carolina if donald trump is able to ascension alley get into a public war with the bush family in south carolina and then win the state. >> right. exactly. jeb bush is certainly looking at south carolina as a place of redemption given his family history there, he's also campaigning around the state with lindsey graham the senior senator from south carolina and really thinks that his family
relationship, his networks but also his relationship with vetera veterans, his talk on national security issues will play well there. like we've seen in new hampshire and nationally donald trump is defying expectations and expectation that is we know about these particular states. so the thing about south carolina, too, as you know, is that because it's so large national figures can tend to play well because they can -- donald trump obviously gets a lot of media attention and so it's not as we know this kind of the intimate gatherings that we saw in new hampshire and iowa. you can make a bigger impact, reach more people on the airwaves. >> there's also the news that the club for growth is up now with $1.5 million in television ads going after donald trump. they're targeting
the issue of eminent domain. let's play a clip of that. >> there's nothing conservative about abusing eminent domain for personal gain. there's nothing conservative
about four bankruptciees, there's nothing conservative about giving money to the clintons. there's nothing conservative about donald trump. >> susan, we've seen the attacks on donald trump from his fellow republicans going back to the summer saying he's not really a conservative. those don't seem to have worked. does adding this element of eminent domain change that at all? >> i don't know. i've covered a lot of
campaigns. i think it's hard to imagine eminent domain which people would have to google to understand what it was is really going to be the issue that undoes the phenomenon that is donald trump. i don't think donald trump supporters think he is the most consistent conservative in the race, i don't think he is the most religious evangelical christian in the race. what they think he is is a tough guy who says -- tells it like who is, who says the things that everybody thinks but everyone is afraid to say and a guy who will both, you know -- will cut a deal, be a strong leader, will deal with some of the things that made people unhappy in their lives over the last couple
years. so, you know, color me skeptical that this is the thing that undoes donald trump. >> yeah, and david, picking up on that point, we were talking about this with oran smith as well, it sounds like bernie sanders in the debate last night, we are not that dumb. evangelicals understand completely that donald trump is maybe not the most pious and religiously devout man but his message is i'm the toughest room in the room and you guys are the good guys. >> maybe you have to go through two divorces to win south carolina as a republican. that would be the trend if he wins. i do think that his call for banning muslims will resonate far more with south carolina republican voters unfortunately than any discussion of eminent domain. and i'm very happy that jeb bush has brought george bush into the campaign because now i think they are going to turn the south carolina primary a bit into a referendum on the iraq war. i mean, trump -- that's the one thing that i think he might have been right about in the last ten
years or so and he really takes quite a lot of pride in that and he has been looking for ways to bring that up whenever he can. and now he can. it's going to be interesting with all the retired veterans in south carolina, it's a very pro military state, what their feelings might be about the iraq war ten years later. very, very, i think, risky move for jeb bush. >> 20% of the voters in that primary will be veterans, one in five. david corn, susan page, caitlyn huey burns i appreciate the time. we will take a quick break. when we come back we will get you inside the ground game of the sanders campaign. msnbc's joy reed went along as volunteers canvassed neighborhoods in south carolina and she joins us next.
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they hope to keep the big momentum of his new hampshire win alive. let's go back to msnbc's joy reed she is at bernie sanders' campaign headquarters in columbia, what are you hearing? >> all right, well, steve, the sanders campaign is operating a very big, aggressive operation throughout the state of south carolina. this is one of ten offices that they're operating throughout the state. they have more offices and taf than the clinton campaign. going to give you a quick look if joe can follow me and take a look at some of the folks working here. we went out yesterday with some of the canvassers from this office. they were going door to door, talking to african-american voters in this neighborhood in columbia. we talked to a lot of undecided voters. voters who are decided to bernie. we didn't run into any clinton supporters which is surprising. let's take a listen to one of the voters who were feeling the bern. a young voter, a young dad.
this is what he had to say about why he's supporting sanders. >> have you made a decision? >> if i had to vote, i would lean toward team bernie. >> tell me why. >> i like everything he stands for, like policies and everything he stands behind. like the things he's talking about, versus what the other candidates are talking. >> now, steve, we talked a lot about the age gap, the generation gap with african-american voters as well, where you have older voter whose are more aligned with hillary clinton, younger voters drifting toward bernie sanders. what's interesti ing about one the voters we talked to, an older voter, but she's undecided. take a listen to what she said is helping her to make up her mind. >> my decisions would be based on the younger people. you know, what will benefit them, incarceration of the young black men.
social security, i can work with. >> and so, steve, of course, that influence of younger voters over older voters, an interesting factor. voters can be voting here in south carolina because there is early vote, early absentee vote. there are people who have begun casting ballots. the sanders campaign taking aggressive opportunities to do that. back to you. >> joy, that's really interesting what you're picking up on. talking to the sanders compain, they pointed to the issue they have with black voter in south carolina. they said, look, if we can win, get a big win in the early states, that's going to get us a fresh look from voters in south carolina. is that something you're seeing? >> well, what i'm seeing here is a big question about ele electability. that's the challenge the sanders campaign has. i got off the phone with the head of the national action
network chapter. he said that's what he's hearing. they're concerned, can he get elected? the big concern for black voters and dha want a democrat in the white house. yes, as people get to know sanders more, we're hearing a lot of support for his ideas, for his progressive policies, whether we're talking to older african-american voters or older ones. but with the voters particularly over 50, they want to know, can he actually win? >> joy reid in columbia, south carolina, with the sanders campaign. we'll have much more after this. then, woosh, it's gone. i swear i saw it swallow seven people. seven. i just wish one of those people could have been mrs. johnson. [dog bark] trust me, we're dealing with a higher intelligence here. ♪ the all-new audi q7 is here. ♪
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anyway, other than that, there's unbelievable energy and intensity here coming from republican campaigns who see this state, frankly, as do or die. gop candidates fanning out from here in columbia to greenville, where a much smaller field will face off in a high-staked debate tomorrow. they're deploying new ads, new attacks, new family star power in the final week before the primary. meantime, hillary clinton will be about an hour from here today. after trying to stunt bernie sanders' momentum in last night's debate. >> senator sanders said that president obama failed the presidential leadership test. i expect from republicans. i do not expect from someone running for the democratic nomination. >> madam secretary, that is a low blow. >> especially with health care, this is not about math. this is about people's lives. >> secretary clinton has been going around the country saying bernie sanders wants to dismantle the affordable care
act. >> we agree we've got to get unaccountable money out of politics. >> what we're talking about is a corrupt campaign finance system. >> we should be deporting criminals, not hard working families. >> we should provide a path toward citizenship. >> i believe i can get the money that i need by taxing the wealthy. >> i don't know what economist secretary clinton is talking to. >> once i'm in the white house, we will have enough political capital to be able too do that. >> well, secretary clinton, you're not in the white house yet. >> i know journalists have asked who you do listen to on foreign policy. we have yet to know who that is. >> it ain't henry kissinger, that's for sure. >> that's fine. >> well, let's get to the political team. mark murray, steve kornacki, hallie jackson, gabe gutierrez, and peter alexander. we have the a-team. let's go to senior political editor mark murray and our political correspondent, steve kornacki. mark, so hillary clinton needed
to come in and stunt bernie sanders' momentum. he was trying to get the momentum going. what is the consensus coming out of last night's debate? >> the consensus is hillary clinton probably got the best of bernie sanders when you're judging this almost like a boxing match on scoring points, on blows that are landed. but i also think the other takeaway is bernie sanders has gotten much better as a debater. particularly when you look from his first debate back in october of 2015. but what really struck me is how hillary clinton tried to make the race in last night's debate a referendum on bernie sanders. she was trying to poke holes into his plans on single payer health care, as the clip had. she was trying to score points when it comes to bernie sanders' relationship with president obama. she was also in her closing remarks saying that suggesting that bernie sanders is a one-dimensional presidential candidate. so really trying to, even more subdued way that last week's debate, trying to get back the
mantle, get the momentum back in the race as it moves into south carolina, where so much of the focus is going to be on african-american voters. >> let me pick up on one of those points because in that context, hillary clinton wrapped her herself so tightly in president obama. she mentioned him by one count 21 times. take a listen. >> senator sanders said that president obama failed the presidential leadership test. calling the president weak, calling him a disappointment. calling several times that he should have a primary opponent when he ran for re-election in 2012. you know, i think that goes further than saying we have our disagreements. i don't think he gets the credit he deserves for being a president who dug out of that and has sent us into the future. >> so steve, the strategy here seems to be simply that here you have a president who is
phenomenally popular with minorities still, and frankly, that's going to play a bigger role in states going forward. >> it is. although it is ironic, we all lived through the 208 campaign when hillary clinton was calling barack obama naive when bill clinton was saying disparaging things. here we are eight years and it's hillary clinton who has appointed herself the guardian of barack obama's legacy. it's interesting to watch that dynamic play out. not the first time we have seen something like this in politics. obviously. i remember george bush, sr. ran against ronald reagan, called his economic program voodoo economics and then ran on his policy in 1998. one reason i think it might be effective for hillary clinton, besides simply trying to appeal to african-american voters is a lot of the criticisms and we saw this last night on the issue of wall street, a lot of criticisms bernie sanders levels at her could also apply to barack obama. on wall street, he mentioned the money she's taken.
she came back and pointed out barack obama had taken a ton of money from wall street, too. if you're saying i'm bought and paid for by wall street, you're also saying barack obama is. >> let me play actually that sound bite about wall street, one of these exchanges. >> let's not insult the intelligence of the american people. people aren't dumb. why in god's name does wall street make huge campaign contributions? i guess just for the fun of it. they want to throw money around. >> at one point, we heard hillary clinton say, i'm going to quote her here. i'm not a single issue candidate, and we don't live in a single-issue country, mark. clearly, though, this has worked really well for him, this wall street mantra, but there's also a question about whether it's going to be his achilles heel because he is so hyperfocused on it. >> i think that one of bernie
sanders' strengths this whole race is he has been on message. he really talks about the things he's comfortable about, whether it's wall street donations, breaking up the big banks, minimum wage of $15, the revolution, campaign finance. really sticks to what he wants to talk about. going back to what steve and you were discussing about president obama and hillary clinton hugging him so tightly. this is one of the central tensions in bernie sanders' entire campaign because what he has been promising and campaigning on is a revolution. the question is, do democrats primary voters, particularly ones in south carolina, really want a revolution when the current occupant in the white house is president barack obama whose approval rating is 92% among south carolina democrats. >> mark, steve, thanks to both of you. four republican candidates are getting ready now to tout their conservative credentials at bob jones university. jeb bush, ben carson, ted cruz, and marco rubio heading to the faith and family presidential
forum. john kasich skipping that for a chamber of commerce lunch right here in columbia next hour, and donald trump who has a rally tonight in tampa, florida, will be seen all over tv here in a $1.5 million ad
by as the club for growth goes after him again. >> there's nothing conservative about four bankruptcies. there's nothing conservative about giving money to the clintons. there's nothing conservative about donald trump. club for growth action is responsible for the content of this advertising. >> nbc's hallie jackson and gabe gutierrez are at the forum in greenville. peter alexander joins me. let's start with the ad first. we saw the club for growth ad. there's an argument, anything that hurts donald trump helps everybody else. i don't know. what do you think? >> i think clearly the idea, and they have been trying this the entire republican establishment
and others to get at the fact they don't belief this is a true conservative right now in donald trump. here's the latest example of it. i don't know how much money they're spending on it yet, but it has people continuing to reiterate the point. recognize even as we talk about the ad, donald trump in his eyes. he said there were 11,000, maybe 15,000 people in attendance last night. he still has the energy in the party. one thing to keep an eye on in south carolina, this is a state as you noted before, since 1980, only once did they get it wrong in terms of the primary selection, that was newt gingrich. are they the most gentile republican establishment state or the grassroots state that may cater to somebody like donald trump. >> speaking of ads, ted cruz has an ad featuring an adult film star. what happened there? >> i'm so glad you asked. this is an ad that came out hitting marco rubio, talking about the idea that he was for amnesty. his gang of eight immigration bill, and ends with a woman asking for people vote for more
than a pretty vase. the woman in the ad has been in adult films, as buzzfeed discovered. somebody did, and the campaign for ted cruz confirmed that in fact they hadn't actually done the filmography on the actress. and they would not have cast her and they're replacing that ad for the time being. a flap for ted cruz in south carolina. point being, though, he's got these ads against marco rubio, against hillary clinton, and new ad spoofing her in that office space scene, that famous scene where they beat up the copy machine. in the cruz version, it's hillary clinton beating up her e-mail server. so cruz really going on the offensive here. going on offense, i should say, in south carolina. hoping to sort of make some moves and mobilize the evangelical voters around him. >> speaking of the evangelicals, he has been open about his faith on the trail and ran this very personal ad on his religious beliefs in the iowa campaign. but so far, he hasn't been able to close the deal with
evangelical voters. what is the campaign's strategy? why do thaw think it hasn't worked so far, at least as well as they hoped it would? >> the campaign is trying to go after evangelical voters and faith-based communities because it does want to take away some of those votes from ted cruz. marco rubio has a unique personal story when it comes to religion. he yoefs as a roman catholic, but his family also attends evangelical services. when he was younger, he practiced the mormon faith. they may not have sat well with evangelical voters in iwap. he's hoping he can convince voter s here in south carolina that faith is a big part of his life. his strategy also, he hasn't targeted evangelical voters. it's been more broad based, trying to capture different element of the party from tea party conservatives to economic
conservatives and also social conservatives. ted cruz, on the other hand, the son of a baptist preacher, has gone after evangelical voters. the rubio campaign is hoping in the speech today, once he gets to share his personal story about his faith, that he'll be able to attract more of those faith-based voters. chris. >> didn't we all think, and i know the campaigns did, that they had gotten away from the snow when we left new hampshire. what is going on where they are? hallie jackson, gabe gutierrez. >> we moved to try to get out of it. >> we left new hampshire and it followed us. so bizarre. >> we're coming to where you are next, that's for sure. >> great. thanks so much. thanks to peter alexander as well. now, before he heads to the faith and family forum, jeb bush is expected to speak in anderson, south carolina. about an hour from now. it comes at a time when his campaign may be picking up some momentum. he's turned out bigger crowds over the last couple days, drawing a mixture of enthusiasm,
but also uncertainty. >> i think he is the only candidate that can win in a general election. i think he's got the character. i think he's -- i think he's got the character. i think he's got the financial capability to go long into the race. i'm just very disturbed with some of the fringe elements and the other candidates in the race. >> i'm kind of on the fence. he's a big jeb supporter. >> undeclared. >> making an informed decision is what we're trying to do, i guess. >> come monday, there will be a lot to talk about with the campaign, as jeb bush's brother, president bush 43, hits the trail with him. with me now, bush campaign senior adviser, michael steele. we'll get to that big event that people are talking about. let me ask you to give me a lay of the land as you see it from the campaign's perspective. obviously, donald trump strong number one here. even people on your campaign say he's likely to win. ted cruz has a lot of support in
the south, especially with evangelical voters. do you go after them, do you focus on john kasich and marco rubio? what's your plan? >> our biggest challenge is making the case for governor bush as the best commander in chief, with his experience, with his detailed plans. he's been taking on donald trump for months now. a lot of these other candidates have been playing possum, playing possum while donald trump disparages disabled people, while he disparages american heroes, and that's part of the conversation here in south carolina which is probably the most military and veteran-friendly state in the country. >> do you believe, michael, as a lot of people do, until the field winnows, the further it gets into the campaign, the harder it's going to be to beat him? >> i think there's no question that the conservative party is going to nominate a conservative candidate and that isn't donald trump. he has a record of supporting democrats including the clintons, a record of supporting partial-birth abortion, national tax hikes, national health care.
this isn't a record we can take into the fall and beat hillary clinton. >> one of the things you have been doing, first of all, you had barbara bush out. very popular. now, for the first time in a big forum, in charleston, you're going to have president 43 on monday. here's what donald trump had to say about all of this. >> he tried the mother. that didn't work out so good. now he's bringing in his brother. i won't say anything. i'm going to save that for after his brother makes a statement. because there's plenty to say about what happened. okay. especially that last three months. and especially getting us in that quicksand. you know, we got in quicksand. i was against the war in iraq. we have to be given credit for vision. >> so what's the strategy here? why here, why now? >> well, as i said, his is an incredibly important debate in terms of the commander in chief test. no one can speak to that better than president bush, who kept this country safe after 9/11.
he's proud of his brother. loves hibrother and thinks he'll do great as president of the united states, keeping us safe, defeating our enemies so we don't have to face them at home. >> to people saying they're bringing in the cavalry, this is a last ditch effort to save the campaign. >> governor bush has made it clear he loves the family, he's proud of his family. his brother kept us safe and his mother is a national icon who is always going to be part of the campaign, his last name is bush. >> final question, how long can you stay in this without winning a state? >> we feel great about the momemem momentum coming out of new hampshire and great about south carolina. we have bigger crowd size, a lot of enthusiasm, and looking forward to competing here. >> how long can he stay in the race without winning a state? >> i think we'll be in a good position. >> thanks for coming in. appreciate it. >> we've got a lot more ahead from here in south carolina, including mark sanford talking about the state of the
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can i ask you to respoaunon two things said to you by your opponen opponents? he needs to be more positive, and i don't know what he's thinking. does he realize the family legacy? >> i'm glad he's concerned with the legacy. if you travelled with me today, i had three speeches. mr. kasich's name wasn't mentioned once. i'm laying out the reason why i'm the leader to take us forward. >> marco rubio did his own
comparing and contrasting. he said, quote, i have more foreign policy than he does by far. >> he goes to committees and passes amendments and talks about things that amendments to bills that never happen. i have been a ceo of the fourth largest state of the country, the head of the national guard, 12,000 men and women. >> jeb bush responding to the two candidates he's battling to be the establishment alternative to donald trump and ted cruz. he spent his 63rd birthday yesterday on the campaign trail in this bellwether state. the question is, how will he fare here? joining me now, republican south carolina congressman and former governor, mark sanford. good to see you. good morning. >> good morning to you. >> we've been talking about how south carolina has been all but one year in recent history a predictor of the eventual winner of the nomination. i wonder where you see the lay of the land and if they would hold true this year which has been so unpredictable? >> it's certainly the year
that's defied all political prediction. i think that south carolina has such a trend with regard to predicting the eventual nominee on the republican side that they will indeed hold true. i think it's a particularly important state this year given the mix of signals we have seen out of iowa and new hampshire. >> think some of the numbers we have seen have been about 15% undecided. is that your sense of it, and you haven't publicly endorsed anyone yet. have you decided? >> i'm waiting and watching. i'm going to go to the debate with our youngest son of saturday and see what we hear. i think ultimately, the polls are going to tighten. my sense of here and what i hear back home in the state is that ultimately, this is going to become a three-way jump ball between trump and cruz, and then the question is is it rubio or bush? i don't know, but that's my sense of things. kasich had a good performance in new hampshire. i worked with him in the past. i love what he did in regard to
budget. my sense is he's still in a distant fourth post when you look at the race board. >> will south carolina, you think, have a winnowing effect? all of these candidates are saying, and they also did going into new hampshire, they're in it for the long haul. but after the results are in, do you think there will be a narrowing of the field? >> they can say it, knut i don't believe it. i don't think you believe it. i think there are only a couple train tickets out of south carolina. i think south carolina will be decisive on that front. and will ultimately not only select a nominee, but really select probably the top three or four contenders that move forward. >> i spent some time yesterday going into some of the local offices and looking at the phone banks and talking to the volunteers about what they have been doing. obviously, this is a different -- every state is unique, whether it's iowa, new hampshire, now into south carolina. talk to me about the ground game, what you're hearing about who has a strong one and its significance. >> i think right now, my sense
of things is that cruz probably has the strongest ground game. he's been well organized, he's been there for a while. he has good roots in the evangelical sort of establishment, if you want to call it that, in the upstate. second to that, oddly enough, is jeb bush. their family has a long history in south carolina. they're pulling out all stops. family members, as you have already recognized are coming in this week, whether that's the former president of the united states or jeb's mom. and so i think i would put it between those two in terms of ground game. but what's interesting, given the year bernie sanders and donald trump, in some ways, ground game hasn't matter eed a it has in the past. we'll see which proves more decisive come next saturday. >> can anybody beat donald trump here? is there any way to close the gap in the next eight day snz. >> yeah, if i was running a campaign, i would put donald in his own words and throw 1,000 gross rating points out and then another 1,000 gross rating points out behind that. he said some bizarre stuff that
i think could be really damaging, particularly within the evangelical belt of our state. we'll see how it plays out. south carolina has been known for hard hits. so i wouldn't be surprised if we saw some ads or innuendo on that front challenging donald in his own words. >> well, already saw the club for growth putting an ad out this morning going after him as not a conservative. going to be interesting to watch. congressman sanford, always good to see you. thank you. >> pleasure, thank you. coming up, canvassing south carolina for the candidates. these volunteers all over the state, hitting the pavement in an effort to win over voters. can they help bring minority voters to the polls next week? much more from south carolina ahead. stay with us. (man) hmm. what do you think? ♪
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south carolina? >> how many voter snz. >> yeah, how many voters? rubio voters? >> 100,000 voted in the last election. we want to reach every one of those, trying to get every vote we can get. >> so many energy and motivation in the campaign and a real passion behind it. everyone i have met is so excited to be here and work with this campaign. and he just really relates to a lot of young people. i think it's really time we have a young, refreshing conservative who is able to relate to people like me. >> i come in every day, i can't tell you how many hours. sometimes i'm here until 9:00. >> do you not have a life? >> sometimes, every once in a while. i go to school. but you know, iin my mind, this is my number one. >> those are just a few of the young volunteers with the marco rubio campaign working hard in columbia, south carolina. and the youth vote is a pivotal target for all candidates because in south carolina, there are more than 230,000 eligible
voters under the age of 24. let's get more now from msnbc's joy reid and thomas roberts. both recently spent time with this key group of voters. you're back from a little university in the neighborhood? >> the university of south carolina. a great conversation with six students. i had to write this down because it was so fascinating and the complexity of it all. they're 18 to 21. the majority of first time voters. we have a rubio supporter, a bush supporter, a bernie supporter, a trump supporter, a hillary supporter, and a cruz supporter. and they all claim to be friends. >> aha. no fights broke out? >> no fights broke out but they were conflicted about certain positions their candidates represent currently. that's not going to dissuade them from voting for that candidate in the primary. even the trump supporter who is openly gay, 21 years old, says he knows donald trump has not evolved on marriage equality, but he hopes he does and wants to invite him to his wedding.
>> so they have their convictions, but are they putting, as i saw with those folks who were in the marco rubio war room, if you want to call it that, are any of them volunteering, getting involved on campus? do they have a sense they're the exception or the rule? >> the 21-year-old i spoke to who is going to be voting in his second election this time around is a jeb supporter, is also involved with the pac. and he feels that jeb bush represents the future. he feels confident in what he will mean to the white house. feels confident in what his experience from florida represents going forward. why he's the strongest republican in the primary field right now. and he was -- he used the characterization, chris, right now, i'm for jeb bush. i said, you keep saying right now. are you going to change your mind? he said, no, i'm not going to change my mind. so it was a great conversation. and they were a really smart bunch of kids that were so well
read. and deeply connected to what the election means. >> which is encouraging. joy, you have been spending time with young voters canvassing columbia neighborhoods, for the bernie sanders campaign. what are they telling you? >> well, chris, this is ground zero, of course, for the campaigns. neighborhoods like this one in columbia where the sanders campaign staffers, mostly young people, are doing intergenerational bartering. we're finding there is this age divide, particularly among african-american votes here where under 50 or so, a lot of support for bernie sanders. over 50, a lot of support for his ideas, a lot of doubts about his electability. we talked to a couple canvassers about how they try to lobby and convince these skeptical voters when they go to the door. >> when you look at the polls, when you look at candidate versus candidate, senator sanders comes out very well against republican contenders. that's typically the argument we make because i don't think any
of us want to see a backslide from all the progress we made. >> he's a socialist, how is he going to help us? he doesn't know about our culture. bernie sanders has been fighting for our civil rights for 30-plus years. that's something that the other competitors have not. they don't have that weight behind them. >> so chris, those are the two arguments they're making at the doors. electability, yes, he can be elected is what they're trying to tell the voters. and number two, don't be worried about socialism. we went to a barber shop yesterday and talked to a smart barber there and asked if socialism is something he's concerned about. he was like no, there are people who want the bold ideas. they're obama supporters, but they also want big change. that's the case made at the doors by the sanders campaign. >> one of the things about south carolina, part of the ground campaign is barber shops and beauty salons. thank you both. >> coming up, the road to winning south carolina. the number of older registered voters is on the rise here. what issue dooz the candidates
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john anderson, the great independent going on and stormed the established political body. the big difference is sanders and trump are running in mainstream political parties. the energy and the feeling of rebelliousness and knocking on the door of the big establishment is evident in the enthusiasm and the huge turnout. i was at a trump event last week, and he had about 3,000 people in a barn, and in a tent outside the barn, and the crowd outside the tent. so the energy that you get when you see these events is pretty impressive. the macroevents you have seen, definitely. the smaller retail ones, a lot of fondness and enthusiasm, but just the excitement, and sometimes a lot of first-time participants at a lot of these events is noteworthy. >> yet, hillary clinton with her support in the african-american community, looking very strong here. >> definitely. and in fact, of course, we saw martin o'malley and bernie sanders and hillary clinton
stand up on the steps of the state house and talk about what they are doing for black voters and what they want to do on martin luther king day. it was a very important appearance for all three of them. they were all here, obviously, trying to stake out the vote. having gone to clinton events at the brooklyn baptist church in west columbia, one of those places where all the candidates have events at one place or another. and a very strong presence there. a lot of pride and enthusiasm and a lot of long-term feeling of connection to hillary in that community. >> you mentioned how important it was for them all the stand on the steps there. look at the other side, you have donald trump, he's going to tampa today. he is a guy who comes in. he does his big events, he leaves. will that make a difference here in south carolina? will people resent the fact he's not doing more retail politic snz. >> you uwonder about that becaue the difference has been stark. i have seen people at little events here and there, vfw halls and fairs and town halls.
trump did do the town hall with senator tim scott, but mest of his events have been the huge one. when you go to his events, the zeal among the people, you say that's impressive. will that carry over into showing up to vote and showing up to opposed to going to the event for the show. what you hear at a trump event is al different from what you hear from other events. a lot of concerns about immigration, one of his big policies, as well as gun rights. that's two of the things i heard in lexington county, not necessarily the kind of values thing you would hear from a lot of south carolina voters supporting the other candidates. >> one of the things that surprised me is the growing older population. look at the numbers. registered voters over 65 has increased by 57% since president obama was elected. voters under 24 have been the slowest growing group.
what might this mean for the primary? >> that could be a big deal, obviously, as people look to issues like social security. you're talking about people who we have heard refer to and senator tim scott refers to as half backs, people who would have retired to florida and come halfway back to the southeast and retire to south carolina. these issues very important. also, of course, values. older voters might be less likely to go off, so, for for example, older voters more likely to vote for hillary clinton than bernie sanders. >> always great to see our local anchors and folks in the field every day. thanks for sharing. >> as ted cruz preps for today's faith and family presidential forum in greenville, his campaign is facing a bit of a moral values question of its own. they had to pull this campaign ad after just a couple of hours. it hits marco rubio on immigration, but turns out the
woman who delivers the key line in the spot is a former adult film actress. with me now from greenville, alice stewart, senior communications adviser to the ted cruz campaign. good to see you. so let's start there. what happened? >> well, thanks for having me on. this was an ad putting out many ads this week, and it turns out that one of the people that was cast to be in the ad had a record, a history as you say of working in adult films. we didn't feel this was appropriate for south carolina airwaves, so we took it down and moved on. the message of the ad was what's the key point is that marco rubio has not served the people of florida as he campaigned when he went to campaign in florida for the senate seat, he campaigned to fight against amnesty. and he gets into washington and he makes deals with democrats. and he works with the gang of eight, with harry schumer and
barack obama and rolls out the red carpet for amnesty. that's the main message. and our point was to show the contrast where ted cruz went to washington saying and campaigning on the fact that he would fight amnesty. he fought tooth and nail against amnesty and stood up to it. we'll see a lot of ads this week. we also have ads out against donald trump for his record as not a conservative. and we also club for growth doing the same. south carolina, we're going to see a lot of ads hitting the airwaves because here in the palmetto state, politics is blood sport. it's on the ground and also in the air. >> i don't think there's any doubt that south carolina has a reputation that it can sometimes be a blood sport. we got together a focus group last night. let me tell you some of the words the folks used to stridese your candidate. what came to mind when they thought of ted cruz. negative, divisive, opportunistic, car salesman. other words were family, new face.
but does that concern you? you know he has a reputation for being extremely unpopular in washington. you can use that to your advantage to say he actually is an outsider. but are you worried that that's how view evoters are viewing hi? >> we won the iowa caucus. those voters there saw him in a different light. we also did strong in new hampshire, and a lot of words that we hear from our supporters is that he's trusted. he's consistent. he's conservative. he's a man of faith. he's a man of conviction. and those are the kinds of words that people of south carolina are seeing. and what we're doing here in south carolina, we hit the gate right after new hampshire and had a very enthusiastic crowd in myrtle beach, and what resonates with them are some of the strongest points that ted makes out there, that he is strong on faith and family. he's staurong on the second amendment rights. that's big here, and also national security. this is a big military state, and what resonates with people
here is the fact that he will call out radical islamic terrorism for what it is. he will stand up to radical dictators and he will make the nation safe again. those are the kind of things and words that resonate for supporters for ted cruz. that's why our ground game is solid. i believe you were in our office yesterday. you saw the teams that we have, nearly 10,000 volunteers. we knock on over 20,000 -- thousands of doors a day, 20,000 phone calls every day. we have county leaders in every county, so that ground game is going to help to get out that message and turn voters out on the primary date. >> and eight days to go. alice stewart, senior communications adviser to ted cruz, thank you. >> thanks, chris. much more from south carolina. stay with us. americans. we're living longer than ever.
focus group, gop front-runner donald trump. political editor carey dann is in washington with more on that. what did we learn? >> this was a really interesting focus group that looked at republicans and specifically really a lot of drilling down into donald trump. this was sponsored by the riley institute at furman university. you got a nuanced picture of what the republicans thought of trump. they acknowledge he is, quote, fun to watch. about two or three of them said they were considering trump. the others were concerned, though, about what he would be like as president and concerned about the tone that donald trump is using. one described him as selfish. some other words that this group used to describe donald trump, greedy, rich, gragbraggadocios, greedy. those who liked him called him a leader and inspirational. a very nuanced picture from the voters in south carolina last night. >> i think we have sound we can play from the focus group. let's take a listen. >> i think, you know, the
freshness of it, not necessarily maybe what i think is the right thing for the country or the state, but i do think that's what's going to happen. >> jason, why do you think he's going to win? >> people are anxious, afraid, and they think he is strong and can weather this time. >> and marie? >> a big part of the campaigning is educating the people. the only signs you see around here are trump. you don't see rubio. there's a carson one every now and then, but i don't think they're getting the message out. >> worth noting, almost every participant said they would still support donald trump over hillary clinton, no matter what reservations they have about him. >> so interesting, carey dann, thank you for that. and coming up, we'll turn to nevada where next week's caucus will be the first real test of who can win over a racially diverse electorate. why are you all here? to learn, right? so you can get a good job and you're not working for peanuts. well what if i told you that peanuts can work for you? while you guys are busy napping,
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viability, you can break into other groups and after that, the delegates are allotted by precinct. >> this is a different kind of race than we have seen before because the candidates will have a sizable latino electorate for the first time in nevada. take a look at some of these numbers. they made up 2.2% of eligible electorate in new hampshire, in iowa, 3%. but in nevada, 17.2%. how does this change the equation and what does it mean for the dynamic between hillary clinton and bernie sanders? >> well, it's definitely not something that can be ignored. a large -- the other two states are predominantly white. we have a large latino population. it's going to be a test to see how the campaigns are resonating with hispanic voters, which everybody agrees, is a very important voting block this election. >> and what's the key issue that they're going to be focusing on? >> i don't know if there's exactly one key issue. you know, hispanic voters, it's
pigeon holed that they care about immigration. they're just like everybody else. they care about issues, a broad range of issues. family values, education, the economy. they care about the same things as everybody else. there's not one specific issue that is just a latino issue. >> seth richardson, good to see you. thanks for coming on the program. >> thanks for having me. >> that's going to wrap it up this hour. i'm chris jansing. i'll be back live right here at 2:00 p.m. eastern. but tamron hall is up next. know your financial plan won't keep you up at night. know you have insights from professional investment strategists to help set your mind at ease. know that planning for retirement can be the least of your worries. with the guidance of a pnc investments financial advisor,
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john kasich is trying to cash in on that new hampshire second place showing. with a meeting with business owners at a chamber of commerce luncheon in columbia. next hour, four of the candidates will make their case to evangelicals at the faith and family forum at bob jones university. jeb bush, ted cruz, marco rubio, and ben carson are all scheduled to speak at that event. all that ahead of the republican debate in south carolina tomorrow night and the gop primary there a week from tomorrow. good morning, everyone. i'm tamron hall. now, the one republican who won't be in south carolina today, donald trump, who has held another massive rally that we have gotten to know from his campaign. the latest polls showing he has a solid lead in south carolina. he held that rally last night in louisiana. tonight, there's a rally in tampa, florida. on the democratic side, fresh from their contentious debate