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happy valentine's day to all and to all a good night. that's "hardball" for now. "all in" with chris hayes starts now. tonight. >> i am not a single issue candidate, and this is not a single issue country. >> hillary keeps ma'hammering. >> he's called the president weak, a disappointment. >> tonight fight over the obama legacy. >> have you ever disagreed with a president? >> plus, what voters said about the debate. >> who do you think won the debate? how many would say senator sanders? >> my interviews with clinton supporter, senator barbara boxer and harry belafonte. the south carolina swamp fight gets higher. >> we win iowa and every day he comes out with a new attack. >> donald trump threatening to sue ted cruz over his
citizenship. >> when life imitates a stump speech. >> to move production from our facility in indianapolis to monterey, mexico. >> when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. as the democratic primary heads to nevada and south carolina, hillary clinton seems to have found an effective tool to bludgeon bernie sanders, barack obama. the president remains popular with democratic voters and voters of color, specifically who make up a large portion of the democratic electorate in the two upcoming states. his approval rating stands at
73% among non-white americans. as she did earlier today in denmark, south carolina addressing largely african-american audience. >> he has called the president weak, a disappointment. he tried to get some attention to attract a candidate to actually run against the president when he was running for re-election. he does not support t, the way do, building on the progress the president has made. >> it's an argument clinton made before and at last night's debate hosted by pbs, the candidate's face off since sanders won new hampshire by a land slide, clinton sharpened the attacks. >> i understand what president obama inherited not only the worse financial crisis but the antipathy of the republican congress. i don't think he gets the credit
he deserves. i expect it from republicans. i do not expect from someone running from the democratic nomination to succeed president obama. >> that is a low blow. >> if that's clinton's strategy, she might want to make sure her husband is in the loop. he seemed to went off. >> she's always making some good -- she's the best change maker i've known. a lot of people say, you don't understand. it's different now. it's rigged. yeah, it's rigged because you don't have a president who is a change maker. >> while hillary clinton has landed on the strategy to go after sanders, sanders seemed to have found way to talk about foreign policy beyond just his vote on the iraq war. making a forceful case against
american interventionism around the world. >> the point about foreign policy is not just to know that you can overthrow a terrible dictator. it's to understand what happens the day after. in libya, for example, the united states, secretary clinton and secretary of state working with some other countries did get rid of a terrible dictator. what happened is a political vacuum developed. isis came in and now occupy significant territory in libya. >> at a democrat focus group held last night sanders foreign policy comments seem to make a favorable impression. >> one of the things that i have been on the fence about bernie is foreign policy. i didn't feel like he made any clear statements. everything he said, i was behind. i think we have meddled in the politics in the middle east for
far too long. going back decades. >> the last word of the night went to hillary clinton presented her most potent charge against bernie sanders. >> we agree we have to get unaccountable money out of the of politics. we agree wall street should never be allowed to wreck main street again. here's the point i want to make tonight. i'm not a single issue candidate. i do not believe we live in a single issue country. >> this was the scene at the focus group when the debate was all over. >> everything you heard and seen, who do you think won the debate? how many would say senator sanders? keep your hands up so i can count. >> the whole debate? >> the whole debate. >> let's start on the obama issue. we have seen hillary clinton really sort of talk about
continuing the president's legacy. last night it was using it more offensively reciting the times that sanders has critiqued the president. how did that play with folks you were watching with? >> it was kind of mixed to be frank. there were moments where they were dialing it pretty up. there's a very strong favorability towards the president. i think the challenges for secretary clinton is if you reenforce it too much, it comes across like you're deflecting from the larger issue or the point of what they're talking about in terms of the question and what you're trying focus on. i'm not convinced it's an entirely winning strategy but here's the point of what the clinton campaign is trying to do. they understand that senator sanders is not as well known and places where in south carolina he's got to go out there and introduce himself to an entirely
new block of voters. >> i think it's effective, in so far, this is clearly the case no matter who you favor. if the most important thing to you and you're deciding your vote is choosing someone most like president obama in their politics, in their ideology and their comfort in the institutions as they are constituting american government, clearly that person is hillary clinton. i don't think that's a question. >> i guess the question is, is that actually what voters want. >> right. >> it isn't what voters in iowa and new hampshire want. one of those states, i can't remember which one, large number of, i think it was like 48% identified as socialists. that doesn't really reflect the democratic party at large. it shows you why -- with that block of voters, a continuity argument. i'm the person to continue obama's legacy will not be effective. they feel like the last eight
years, to some extent, have been, if not a disaster, an enormous disappointment. the premise of bernie sanders campaign is he can do it differently. he sort of seems to ignore a lot of structural impediments that obama has face and said we'll have a revolution and will mobilize enough people and it's going to wash all those impediments away. >> i want to play a bit of focus group talking in first hour and talk about this obama pivot. >> everything he is saying is coming from the heart. i think she says is scripted and repetitive. >> i think he taps into the frustration of the every day man. >> a number of time took obama's side and obama did this and obama did that. people are furious. regardless of which side of the aisle they are on do not agree obama's path has been
successful. >> i just, i continue to sort of puzzle through this in terms of what democratic voters really in their heart want. you saw the split voting in new hampshire. 40% said continue obama's policy. 44% said more liberal policies. you get a sense of what are they looking for in this race? >> they're looking to merge bernie sanders and hillary clinton to be really frank. in terms of who won that debate focus group, it was 25-9 senator sanders. when you asked at the end of the group, who was more electable, it was 25-9 secretary clinton. here's some of the enduring conflict that voters have. they love senator sanders message. he speaks to the economic anxiety that the voters are feeling. to be honest, too many people in d.c. and new york, say some of the elites underrepresent and underestimate.
they also admire secretary clinton's incredible appearance, her knowledge, her command. they see her in the white house. they're torn. that's what we're seeing consistently. folks want to know why this is an increasingly closer election than a year ago any pundit thought. it's because of that message. the challenge of secretary clinton is how she pivots to tap that emotion. >> that's fascinating. who won the debate one way, 25-9 one way. who is the most electable, 25-9 the other way. you saber kny bernie sanders is mensch. part of what i see is kind of inner confidence about not being a minority of the country. it was just get the most
electable. that was always, there was always a sense for a long part of my adult life in politics that democrats felt like they needed to trick the american people into electing a democratic president. what you are seeing, i think, in so far as this race has gone on as long as it is, that's not operation. >> part of the age divide is that people my age andof age wh on the defensive. one of the reasons i'm a little more able to sympathize with hillary clinton's history is i remember how besieged liberals were. i believe when liberal was a career killing epithet. people point out some of the things that the clintons did to make democrats electable after 12 years of republican rule,
some of these things seemed indefensive from our vantage point. i remember feeling they felt understandable at the time. if your first kind of political experience was obama, breaking through everyone's idea of what electability was. of course, it seems like, yes we can. >> that's a good point about where that generation divide is coming from. thank you both. still ahead, the republican front-runners fight for south carolina. we'll tell you why today donald trump threatened to sue ted cruz. plus, senator barbara boxer joins me to talk about the possibility of making history in presidential politics and harry belafonte says those criticizing bernie sanders civil rights record are wrong.
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of mass incarceration in this country. >> here's my promise. at the end of my first term at president, we will not have more people in jail than any other country. >> all right. as someone who is pretty personally invested in editing the error of mass incarceration, something i'm writing about right now. i'm say this is an urgent goal for our society but it's a virtually impossible promise for him to deliver on, at least the way he phrased it. i mean impossible as it's mathematically impossible. here's why. the federal prison population is about 200,000 people. the american prison population as a whole, federal, state, localities is 2.2 million. federal prisoners are less than 10% of that total. even if a president sanders literally pardoned every single
federal prisoner, something i think he would never do, the u.s. prison population would still be about two million which could still be more than any other country in the world. state policies are what's driving mass incarceration far more than federal policies. the federal policies do need reform and are the subject of some tentative bipartisan efforts. it's conceivable he doesn't mind persuading states to change their laws to reduce incarceration as well. that is admirable but also a tall order. it's about understanding the very scope and nature of the problem itself, if you want to bring about a solution.
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a state with a long reputation of dirty tricks in presidential primaries. in this cycle is already getting taste. evidence from 53-year-old schoolteacher getting a robocall. it said did you know that marco rubio and the gang of eight are for amnesty. the gentleman said he's for little 11 million illegal immigrants stay in the u.s. and for letting syrians cross the border. she also said it attacked trump on eminent domain. the cruz campaign denies they are behind them. cruz's director of research, chris wilson implied be calls
might have emanated from a certain campaign. who would put the word muslim into a candidate? what candidate would do that? ted cruz has denied his campaign is conducting such calls. >> your campaign said they're not behind the calls. do you know who is behind them? >> i have no idea. we have nothing to do with them. i don't know what they were. we have nothing to do with them. i have read reports of what is being said. somebody else is doing them. it's not us. >> trump continues to point the finger at the cruz campaign and he's taking it to the next level. if ted cruz doesn't clean up his act, stop cheating and doing negative ads, i have standing to sue him for not being natural born citizen. he says he has standing to sue in the birther issue. this campaign season isn't quite quirky enough.
i think i can hear jeb bush sighing all the way from charleston. i almost feel like it's a legend. it's also a legend that is based on a whole lot of fact. >> oh, yeah. it dates back famously to lee atwater. there's almost like a self-perpetuating nature to it. when you talk to major republican strategists who are based down here and a lot of republican politicians, they emulate lee atwater and see themselves as a continuation of his legacy. they get a lot of pride thinking they are fighting in the fiercest political arena in the country. they're these kind of
gladiators. it could be this reputation for dirty tricks and gross toxic politics is overblown. at some point the political class has come to believe that too. it kind of continues on for generations. >> we got our first polling today from someone in the field there. unclear how representative it is. it had trump up 32 and cruz in second place in the 14, 15 range. you're shaking your head because if that holds. >> that's trouble. >> it's trouble for the republican party. i literally just before i came on air got a phone call from a republican source who's involved in media buy. according to this source, ted cruz's campaign in the various super pacs and political groups
that support him are up on the air. they have five and a half million worth of ads running now. a lot of it attacking trump and some of it positive or kind of touting cruz. as for trump, according to this source, trump's campaign only has $500,000 worth of ads, which is a fraction. if that poll that you just read and there's been other polls that have pointed in the same direction, if those are right it's going to be incredibly difficult for cruz to catch up to trump. after new hampshire, i don't know if there's any credence to this idea that trump support is soft or the polls are misleading and voters won't turn out. i've been like the last pundit clinging to that idea. after new hampshire it's not true. if trump can't be defeated here. this state is in a lot of ways tailor made for ted cruz.
if he can't catch up to trump, it's going to be very difficult in the primary and the other primaries going forward for him to win. >> you make this point we're watching donald trump is speaking in tampa, florida. he's been -- he actually hasn't been a ton of time in south carolina because they feel confident about south carolina, which is allowing him to lead frog ahead to do a bunch of those states in the south where he's been doing huge events. in some ways, that south carolina becomes this kind of, not a last stand but if you don't blunt the impact there, he's already started to run things up in the other southern states. >> i know. this source said this might be ted cruz's waterloo. he's the only candidate who has a shot. by the way, just to add in the establishment side of the primary, i don't think i'm the only reporter who has been increasingly insane rumors about marco rubio landing in his
inbox. it's gotten more and more outlandish. >> that's fascinating. the knives are out for senator rubio out there. kasich's campaign manager said he has the joy of the texas chain saw massacre today. it gives you a flavor of how well everyone is getting along at this point. coming up, the potential history to be made in the 2016 election. barbara boxer weighs in. (ray) i'd like to see more of the old lady. i'd like to see her go back to her more you know social side. (vo) pro plan bright mind promotes alertness and mental sharpness in dogs 7 and older.
hillary clinton and bernie sanders had a exchange. here is bernie with the moderator about worry he is preventing from being made if he's elected. >> somebody with my background, somebody with my views, somebody who has spent his entire life taking on the big money interest, i think a saddest victory would be of some historical accomplishment as well. >> i have said many times i'm not asking people to spovrt upp because i'm a woman. i'm asking you to support me
because of the most qualified person. >> we could have to history making presidents, the country's first black president and first woman president back to back gets lost. joining me is senator barbara boxer. i have a theory, i'm curious your response. senator barack obama, when he was running for president was a relatively new face on the scene and the historical nature of his candidacy related to how quickly he entered the imagination of people, senator clinton, the historical nature of what she represents is complicated that she's been in public life for 30 years and people think of her as part of the people that we know in american politics. what do you think of that? >> i think electing the first african-american president was, as bernie would say, huge. it was huge. it was historic. the rest of it, the age, how
many years in politics, to me, that was around the edges. i think with hillary, i am so strongly for her as you so well stated. being the first woman president as we approach the 100th anniversary of women getting the right to vote, i came in to congress it was 1983. i think there were like 25 women in the house of representatives out of 435. most of them got there because their husbands died. it was a few of us. it's been a real interesting experience for me. i think this race isn't so much about making history, but choosing the right person at a time when we have enormous problems facing us domestically and all around the world foreign policies critical here. i think i'd rather focus on that than who's making history. there's time to celebrate that
regardless of who wins. >> there was a really interesting exchange last night on foreign policy and it's something, obviously, carry clinton has tremendous experience with and it's something bernie sanders has been critiqued for not having evident mastery of some areas of it last night. we went on the offensive a bit. i want to play this clip and get your reaction. >> i happen to believe that henry kissinger was one of the most destructive secretaries of state. i'm proud to say he's not my friend. i will not take advice from him. >> i know journalists have asked who you do take advice from. >> well it ain't henry kissinger. >> he thought she was running
the department officially. i know that she has certainly not agreed with him in past. i think that's just made up kind of silly point. the fact of the matter is, who has the experience from day one at a time when we're under threat. the world has got so many hot spots, so many problems. i've served for a long time on the foreign relations committee. let's put it this way, it's a strong point for the secretary. it's weak point for the senator. that's just a fact in evidence, in my view. people have to decide whether they think that's important. >> it does strike me, the issue that relates to this, it is possible, at least in theory, i can name examples do have a lot of experience who have had terrible judgment or have done lots of destructive things in the way they have guided american foreign policy. that's the argument that sanders is trying to make. >> yeah, it falls flat.
you know, hillary clinton knew she made a mistake in the iraq war. i served with her. i know that she came out on the wrong side of that. she did something that's very difficult for those of us in politics to do. she said, i made a mistake. >> right. >> you know what, i want someone with judgment, learns from their mistakes and someone who knows where fallujah is on the map. we want to focus in. it surrounds us with all of our communities. when something happens and we nope this whether it's a terrorist attack, some horrific problem, we need a leader who gets it. hillary clinton gets it. show knows the leaders and so on. i think if that's the turf, regardless of henry kissinger. that was just a throw away point that she thought he was running
the department efficiently, didn't mean she endorses his philosophy. let's look at the facts. i think the facts lead to madame president on this one. >> i appreciate your time. thank you. >> of course. up next, my interview with civil rights icon about his endorsement of bernie sanders. stay with us. even "turkey jer" [turkey] gobble. [butcher] i'm sorry! (burke) covered march fourth,2014. talk to farmers. we've seen almost everything, so we know how to cover almost anything. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪
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my dad. our people died for this. martin luther king died for this. malcolm x died for this. who were they? they were protesters. i believe bernie sanders is a protesters. >> when a police officer breaks the law, the officer must be held accountable. >> as part of a new web ad released for the bernie sanders campaign and might be going off the air sometime soon in which
erica garner, the daughter of eric garner explains why she is supporting sanders, specifically calling him a protesters. sanders history of fighting for civil rights beginning be demonstrations in college is something his campaign has tried to emphasize. while the record was brushed aside by john louis. it was affirmed by another historic activist in that fight, harry belafonte. >> that's why i've endorsed bernie sanders. i think he represents opportunity. i think he represents a moral imperative. i think he represents a certain kind of truth that's not often evidenced in the course of politics. >> joining me now artist, performer, civil rights activist, legend, if i can say, good to have you here. >> good to be with you. >> talk about not just going to
vote for him, but endorse him, cutting a video to be a public face with him. >> in my time of life, much of it is spent with young people particularly in incarceration. i'm at sing sing all the time. the latino community, the black community down in l.a., women's detention center. i take the incarceration to be one of the last truly deep wrinkles in the american theme of what we have done to crucify young people not only in the process of putting them in prison but what happens to them after they come out, unemployment, can't vote. it's a cruel place in which to be. when the interest turned to
black vote and the emphasis was put on mass incarceration, i got very concerned because i think that there was a previous administration, which had a lot to do with escalating incarceration for black people. then i heard this remark being made that there's this concern for the fact that we have the largest prison population in the world. let's do something about that. how deep does that really go? >> can i just ask you this to interject because you're referring to the clinton administration. >> yes. >> i want you to respond to what people say about this critique is that was bill clinton. he signed the crime bill. that was not hillary clinton and things have changed in 20 years. we recognized the problem. those were mistakes. we can correct them now. >> you just hit the nail on the head. if you can correct them now, why not? we will not get into the family affairs if we're asking you to say something that's pro-your husband.
what about the mistakes he made like where's your courage to speak out against that. i don't want to hold her hostage to that either. if she's for ending mass incarceration but for capital punishment, that does not freely tell the
deeper truth on what happens with the whole issue of incarceration. the other thing, of course, is pandering to in very strange ways to the black vote and taking claim to be very much deeply involved in the civil rights movement of some candidates maintain they were. i say, give me the demonstration of what that involvement yielded. there's been an attack on bernie sanders for not being visible in the civil rights movement. there's a lot of people involved in the civil rights movement.
millions of them came. i don't remember the names of most of them. i haven't even met them. wouldn't know them if i saw them in light of day. a close friend of mine talked about bernie sanders was not be seen. >> you're referring to john louis, civil rights legend. said something about sanders, i never saw him. >> he never saw most of the people in the civil rights movement that were engaged. in particular, bernie sanders had no platform back in 19 -- he didn't become mayor until 1961. by 1980, the civil rights movement was blending into a
host of other issues. for all intents and purposes said to be the end of the era. if he didn't have a platform, why would you know him in face of thousands and millions of people out there? i thought it was unfair that there could be some game being played with bernie sanders by saying he was for and involved in the civil rights movement. he was. i met with him. i've talked with him. he's not misleading. he didn't claim to be leader of the civil rights movement. he said he was touched by it and involved in it. that's part of what energized him to become a candidate for the presidency. i felt on that issue, incarceration, the black vote, civil rights was a place for me to step in and let my voice be heard for whatever good it will do. >> the past record is of any incident, it will do a lot of good. always a pleasure to have you here. >> i enjoy being with you. still to come, an emotional
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carrier employees found out their jobs was moving to mexico was captured on video. >> became clear the best way to stay competitive and protect the business for long term is to move production from our facility in indianapolis to monterey, mexico. throughout the transition, we must remain committed to manufacturing the same high quality products. >> the effects of decades of globalization has real consequences for the american working class. it's something that both trump and bernie sanders talk about on the campaign trail. other candidates struggle to articulate an alternate vision. a great example of how that is and why that is after the break.
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>> ted is a free trader. he's always been a free trade. the reason he's for free trade is because it creates american jobs. we done a study on the campaign as to how many jobs free trade has created for various states in the country and the numbers are in the hundreds of thousands depending on the size of the state. >> joining me now executive editor. you wrote a really interesting piece about trump voters which related to the video we just saw. you wrote a book a while ago saying the republican party has to speak to the economic anxieties of folks that are like the folks assembled in that room in carrier being told your jobs are going away. it has to address them or there will be a vacuum created. fast forward, trump comes forward with a piece like i blame the people who did not create. that's the sort of thesis. >> yes, that's very fair to say.
when you're looking at trade, you can look at it purely as an abstraction. then we can pull these levers and all will be fixed and people will move here. the problem in the scale of someone's life, that can be devastating and hard. there's also funny trade offs. a lot of people were talking about trade in america. you're less likely to get an education. there's all these funny trade offs that people don't think about when you go from abstraction to reality on the ground. >> ruth, this has been a fight in the democratic party for a while. there's been this real fight internal democratic party over trade and its effects. you're seeing it play out in the transpacific partnership.
you can say the model says this is good. the real concrete reality for people are being told you're out work. >> it's who's benefitting? the important thing to look at is even as the result of trade deals you can argue in some cases that gross domestic product increases. wealth is accumulating at the top. if you have slave labor, you can make a great profit. it's not good news for american workers to compete against low wage workers. all these trade deals we have seen roll out including in the clinton years when hillary clinton was a supporter of nafta has cost jobs and suppressed wages of workers. american workers are becoming keenly aware of it. when the democrats had their debate last night, we're looking
at a city where the plaqblack me class has been devastated by the collapse of manufacturing. it used to be the top seven employees are all manufacturing and now none of them are. you see that very specifically in wages collapsing and the middle class collapsing. we really have to talk about what's the real result of these trade deals. it's been devastating for ordinary american workers. even t-- >> what would you like? if you could conjure an anti-trump to speak to that, what would you like to hear from republican candidates in this cycle? >> the hope is and what you have heard from people, i'd say that
the hope is -- what we've been talking about is training and investing in human capital and the next generation will take on the jobs of the future, i guess i think of it, a lot of time as leverage. who has power? that's something you don't always see because you see the devastation. >> how do you talk about this as a candidate? >> it doesn't mean we can ignore the devastation. what i'd want is it's a much bigger issue. it's talking about cohesion and the fact we want some kind of solidarity and that's why we want investment and actually, we have a shared fate. this seems very important. this languaged that resonates with conservatives. when trump talks about making a america great again, winning,
these are ways that aren't always very attractive to lots of people who don't cherish gut instincts. it's a language of solidarity and shared purpose. >> it's the flip side of the others. there is some togetherness in the boat of making america great again. ruth, i think that's something that also democrats, you're seeing it play out in the democratic primary a bit about this language of in the old labor, this sort of labor song like which side are you on. >> i think the whole deal approach to trade, the idea it's all going to work out fine has collapsed over time because we've seen, just since 2001, 4.7 million jobs have fled this country. we're seeing 60,000 manufacturing plants gone in that time. it's really, it's not possible to argue to people just hang on there, you're going to do bet r better. we have home less kids in madison who are in advanced algebra. their parents, middle class jobs
are gone. we're seeing this huge grass roots pressure to say if you're going to call labor standards a barrier to trade because an international tribunal saying need to suppress wages. i think that's why hillary clinton has movered to the left and bernie sanders is so popular. >> that's "all in" for this evening. rachel maddow starts now. happy weekend. you deserve the time off. >> thank you. >> thanks do you at home for joining us this hour. we have a big show tonight. happy friday. the next contest in the democratic race for president is in nevada. looks like something might be about to happen in nevada that's not happened anywhere else in the race so far. it's really big, really important news for bernie sanders in particular. we've got that story exclusively ahead tonight. the contest on the republican side, the next contest is not i