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are gone. we're seeing this huge grass roots pressure to say if you're going to call labor standards a barrier to trade because an international tribunal saying need to suppress wages. i think that's why hillary clinton has movered to the left and bernie sanders is so popular. >> that's "all in" for this evening. rachel maddow starts now. happy weekend. you deserve the time off. >> thank you. >> thanks do you at home for joining us this hour. we have a big show tonight. happy friday. the next contest in the democratic race for president is in nevada. looks like something might be about to happen in nevada that's not happened anywhere else in the race so far. it's really big, really important news for bernie sanders in particular. we've got that story exclusively ahead tonight. the contest on the republican side, the next contest is not in
nevada. it's in south carolina. a new poll out today from the augusta chronicle has donald trump with a giant 17-point lead in state of south carolina. then bunched relatively close together behind the front-runner are ted cruz, marco rubio and jeb bush. hey, jeb bush polling in double digits. that must feel nice and weird given how he's been doing overall in the race. the bush family does have a special knack for winning in south carolina. both jeb bush's father and hoolr brother have won the south carolina presidential primary twice. one of those campaign, george w. bush's knock down, drag out slime fest with john mccain in south carolina in 2000, is one of the most memorable presidential races ever. that year, remember john mccacj pulled off a huge win in new hampshire. he was favored to win in south carolina. south carolina has always been known as the state with an
incredibly robust and active veterans population. john mccain is not just a veteran, he's a legit war hero. he was favored in south carolina particularly after what he did this new hampshire that year. then the george w. bush campaign came to town in south carolina and they activated dad's old networks in the state and decided that year they were going to take a whole different approach to winning over south carolina republican voters. part of what the george w. bush campaign did that year was some stuff that actually was pretty controversial even at the time. >> evan jillist bob jones founded the school. he runs it with only one policy change. other races are now welcomed at its campus but no interracial dating or marriage is permitted and no homosexuals. in what many see as religious i
tolerance the school leaders have described catholics a a member of a cult. it was here that george w. bush came in search of votes. >> i'd have gone to bob jones university but i said you better get into modern times and do away with this disgraceful policy of yours banning interracial dating and your attacks on the pope and the catholics. it's disgraceful what i would said at bob jones university. >> george w. bush went to bob jones university and gave a speech there while the school still had an active policy of banning interrational dating and calling catholics members of a cult. it wasn't like they were hiding these under a bushel. bob jones university lost the federal tax exempt status more than a decade earlier because they were overtly racial
discriminatory. with all of that george w. bush went any way. it now seems newly important to remember that the way george w. bush defending himself against criticism, the way he tried to protect himself from the torrent of criticism he got for going to this racist, anti-catholic institution and saying nothing about those matters while he was there, the way he dealt with the criticism is he held up his brother jeb and his wife as human shields against that criticism. this clip is from "meet the press." this just stunning. watch this. >> let me show you what mr. jones current thinking is. this just as disturbing. we believe that the lord god created races with distinctions and they are meant to be separate from another. we accept there's three race, caucasians, negros and orientals. neither of them can date negros.
>> i disagree with that. that was also said in 1983. >> it's still the policy. >> it's not a good policy. when i go to speak to voters. i don't have to embrace the policies of the university. >> you're giving affirmation. >> quite the contrary. i'm giving affirmation to somebody who will unite our country. i said let's march together toward a better tomorrow. how can i go into a university like that and subscribe to my views when my brother married a girl from mexico in my own family. >> why didn't you speak about bigotry? >> i was asked a question do i support the policy of no interracial dating. i said of course not. my little brother, jeb, the governor of florida, married a girl named columba from mexico. >> bob jones university is opposed to interracial marriage because it breaks down the barriers that god established.
throughout your campaign you said i'm a uniter and not a divid divider. do you condone that thinking? >> i don't accept that particular policy of bob jones university. my brother, the governor of florida, married a fabulous woman from mexico. >> i'm not anti-anything. i don't like being accused of being a bigot. no one wants to be accused of being a bigot. i have a catholic in my family, my brother jeb and sister-in-law. >> those allegations step from a speech you gave in bob jones university in south carolina. you say you don't regret having spoken there. do you regret not having, during the speech spoken out against their anti-catholic policies. >> i got off an airplane and gave my speech. >> looking back at how huge the fire storm was over george w. bush going to bob jones
university at that time. looking back at him waving jeb and waving jeb's wife in the air to take fire so he wouldn't have to, it's kind of amazing he pulled off a win that year in south carolina, but he did. now, everybody's over any concerns about bob jones university. jeb bush speaking at bob jones university along with ben carson and ted cruz. donald trump did not speak at this event today. he sent a surrogate, which ended up being a little awkward because the crowd didn't like mr. trump and they introduced his surrogate guy using the wrong name. >> now, please welcome to the stage, dr. mike burns, surrogate for donald trump. >> hello, south carolina.
those who don't know me, my name is pastor mark burns. >> he was introduced as mike burns. he's mark burns. >> it didn't really go over. >> donald trump is a man who has the same values as you and i do. donald trump is pro-faith. he's pro-faith. he is pro-faith. he is pro-faith. let me tell you one other thing. i'm grateful you said that. that he's profane. he's profane, but guess what, i don't know about you but i don't trust man that doesn't have mistakes. >> so it didn't go great for the donald trump approach to the bob jones university today. it did go great for ted cruz who was greeted very warmly and for some reason he was given about
20 minutes longer to speak than all the the other candidates. ever since the all but collapse of the ben carson campaign, senator ted cruz has been trying to conquer the market, corner the market on voters who are religious con seservativeconser. there's a lot of those voters in iowa. there's some in new hampshire, but not very many. there's a ton in south carolina. as the campaign has shifted to south carolina, you see the candidates doing this to one degree or another but you see the ted cruz campaign shifting to a more overtly religious message. sometimes that makes more sense than others. for example, today, the former fox news host glenn beck brought himself to tears in an introduction he did for senator ted cruz. he brought himself to tears while begging them to support ted cruz.
he asserted that god sent ted cruz to run. he brought himself to tears. >> i'm here not as somebody to endorse ted cruz, even though i have. i'm not here as a guy you listen to on the radio. i'm here as a citizen, as a fellow citizen and i'm begging you, please do not dismiss the peril that we are in. do not dismiss. fall do your knees and pray to god to reveal to you what the hour is. ask the dear lord to show you who the man is that has the integrity, who has the connection, who will fall to his knees at the resolute desk. i was mocked and ridiculed.
i'm telling you right now, this is your last call, america. this is your last call. this is your last call, america. stand. stand for the man i believe was raised for this hour, ted cruz. >> then ted cruz walked out. ted cruz, more than any other candidate, still in the race and maybe more than anybody else who tried to run this year. ted cruz is running as a religious conservative specifically. he's running an overtly religious campaign for president. anybody can choose to do that. it's led to a few little adventures in the ted cruz campaign with the issue of religious tolerance or intolerance depending on your world view. you might remember a few months ago when senator cruz participated in an iowa event as pastor who used that same event to argue anyone found to be a homosexual in this country should be executed for that sin.
this was not just like something the pastor had been known to say in the past. that's what he said at the event where he interviewed ted cruz. >> yes, leviticus 20:13 calls for the death penalty for homosexuals. yes, romans, chapter 1, verse 32, apostle paul says homosexuals are worthy of death. his words and not mine. i am not ashamed of the gospel of jesus christ. i'm not ashamed of the truth of the word of god, as i am willing to go to jail for standing on the truth of the word of god. i know i've taken the counsel.
many have told me this weekend, you be careful. you choose your words carefully. we have presidentials coming down to this conference this weekend. i understand that. i am not ashamed of the truth of the word of god. i'm willing to go to jail for it. >> then he welcomed ted cruz on to the stage. we asked senator ted cruz after that event whether he thought it was appropriate to do an event with that pastor and to do an event with someone calling for mass execution of gay people in america. they never apologized for attending. they bragged how they avoided answering our questions and never said anything bad about the pastor. last month, somewhat similar controversy came up again when ted cruz started bragging about on the endorsement me got from this nice fellow. >> let me tell you, these 20, less than 20 million jews
worldwide, the lord says i'm going to give all 20 million of them the chance to respond to the fisherman. i give them grace. i give them grace. he says if they don't respond to grace, i'm going to raise up the hunters and the most famous hunter in recent history is man named adolf hitler. >> the reason that adolph hitler sent six million jewish people is because god sent him to do that. that pastor endorsed ted cruz. ted cruz praised the pastor. that understandably freaked out some jewish people. they got a response from the ted cruz campaign about cruz welcoming and praising and claiming credit for this endorsement that he got from the god sent hitler pastor. again, ted cruz is not backing down.
not distancing himself from the guy. sticking with the endorsement and sticking with hitler was god's jew hunter message. the response from the campaign said no one has a better record than senator cruz when it comes to standing with israel. ted cruz, because his campaign is built this way, he's been kind of pushing it on this issue in terms of how much outrage his campaign can generate without them having to change course at some point. after having ben through all that, the campaign has a new test, and it's because of this. this is anti-semitic graphic about gun control. it's unflattering head shots of jewish-americans. so are active in the gun reform movement and commented on the issue. they are labeled within israeli flag to mark them as jews. some are little captions on them like here's the late senator
frank lautenberg of new jerse. p it says gave russian jew immigrant your tax money or in upper left hand corner there's michael bloomberg underneath the flag he's captioned as 9/11 israeli agent. not sure what that means. in the upper left hand corner or at the top of his little inset there, you see by his name. that sort of makes it clear what's going on. they call him jew york city mayor. this graphic, who's really behind gun control th. this was posted online by a board member of the nra. his name is ted nugent. he likes being as offensive as
possible. he's the one who called president obama a sub-human mongrel. he said that both hillary clinton and president obama should be hanged. should be killed by hanging. something having to do with benghazi. he's a professional provocator and everybody expects that from him. the israeli flags things seemed to have rubbed a lot of his supporters the wrong way. online, this weekend in defending himself against criticism, he's not made things easier for himself. he's called himself a war hero. ted nugent, i am a war hero. as far as anybody knows, ted never served in any war. look, he says i'm war hero. he did not fight in the iraq war. most war heroes don't call
themselves war hee lroes. i adjust my yamika at my barmitbarmit barmitza playing my kosher guitar. the nra has no problem with ted nugent and his anti-semitic jews are coming for your guns thing. what about the presidential race? >> do you have a presidential favorite yet in. >> you know, yeah, i do. >> you going to say? >> ted cruz. i think he would make a wonderful president. >> nobody is responsible for their own endorsers. nobody can be held accountable for the thoughts and actions of people who like them. you can't control who likes you. if you're senator cruz, and you put this up on your website, proudly embracing that
endorsement from ted nugent, showing off, campaigning that you are the choice for president of ted nugent then you do kind of own this. just like you own the guy who said that god sent hitler to kill all the jews because you campaigned on his endorsement too. just like you own it when the guy says every gay person in america should be executed. you attended the event. you shared stage with him. you did not have to do that. there's always some level of controversy around issues like this particularly around the time of the south carolina primary. ted cruz is shooting the moon on this stuff. i don't know how long it will be before the beltway notices this pattern and realizes it might be a real issue for him. we won't answer our questions about it. maybe somebody else can get him too. we'll see. we'll be right back. and stay awake during the day. learn about non-24 by calling 844-844-2424.
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overwhelmingly the american people want to raise the minimum wage. congress does not. then the job is to rally the american people to tell congress to do what the american people want. pay equity for women, overwhelmly. the question is there's a huge gap between congress and the american people. what presidential leadership is about is closing that gap. >> you don't think president obama has successfully closed that gap? >> no, i don't. i think he's made the effort,
but i think what we need, when i talk about a political revolution is bringing millions and millions of people into the political process in way that does not exist right now. i think you're seeing in this campaign the kind of voter turn out that took place in naew hampshire. the good turn out in iowa. >> that basic theory of the case my have flaw. it's possible it might work some time soon. so far this theory which drives the senator bernie sanders campaign, the most basic argument for him on how he can win and accomplish his agenda if he was elected president, so far it's not bearing out. >> the reason i think i can help the entire democratic party at the head of the ticket is we have got to increase voter turn out. i think i can do that. i think that's what our campaign is about. here is why i think i will be
the strongest candidate, if n nominated. democrats when there is large voter turn out. our campaign is generating excitement and energy that will result in a high voter turn out. >> democrats win elections when large numbers of people come out and vote. that's what obama did in 2008. >> that is what obama did in 2008. senator sanders has nothing but praise for president obama over the way he inspired massive democratic voter turn out this 2008. beyond just following that as model though, senator sanders is suggesting even more millions of americans need to be drawn in off the sidelines and inspired to participate in the democratic process so not only will a democrat win again but he or she will have a massive mandate an massive support that it will create a de facto political revolution. a political revolution that will
make possible the enactment of free college education for all. that's the theory of the case. senator sanders will not only win, he will create a new political climate essentially with a huge numbers of people he will bring into the political process. that's the theory of the case. here's the reality so far. in 2008, in the iowa caucuses there was a huge record turn out. a record number of democrats turned out to vote in 2008. 240,000 democrats in iowa. this year in iowa, it was 172,000. in new hampshire in 2008, again, huge numbers. a record set on a democratic side. 288,000 people turned out on the democratic side in new hampshire. that year it was 288,000. this year it was 247,000. these numbers for democrat turn out this year are not bad numbers. they're not record breaking
numbers. they are lower than the last competitive democratic contest in 2008. that is a particularly cold splash of water when you consider that the republicans in both iowa and new hampshire this year, they have had record turn out while the democrats have not. that's not good for democrats broadly looking ahead to the general election. that's not good for senator sanders who has not just been claiming that he can generate record voter turn out, he's put the claim at the very center of why and how he's running for president. why he could win and how he would govern if elected. if it's not true, if the record turn out isn't coming then the sanders campaign will need a whole new kntheory of the case which is a bummer if you're a bernie sanders supporter. here's your lifeline. the next race is in nevada. the first one was in '08. the second was in 2012.
this is the third one. most of the reason a state likes to go early in the election years is they want their state to get national attention. for the politicians and the political parties in the state, the really great thing about having an early contest with tons of national attention to it is that hopefully in a good year, being an early state primary or early state caucus that's going to cause a lot of people in your state to get excited and to register to vote because they want to participate in this very exciting election that will be so consequential for the presidential contest. that's worked. that's happened every year that nevada has had its caucuses. here's what happened in first one before the 08 caucuses which was the first year they were a caucus. got a big spike. they even got a big spike in new voter registrations for people that didn't sign up with either party but registered. that was '08. for the 2012 race, these numbers
on the right. numbers looked different in 2012. not as great for the democrats. it was president obama running for re-election. it was a little better than in '08 for the republicans. they can this out. ready. boing. where did all those people come from. look at that. the democrats did too. they thought they had this massive year in 2008. those are off the charts too. i have no idea what explains this, what caused it. that's a huge number of new voter registrations in nevada and the biggest number of new voter registrations in nevada is for democratic voters.
so, so far in iowa and new hampshire the democratic voters turn out numbers have been fine, good. they've not been great. that's been a bummer for the bernie sanders campaign. that's been the case so far. looking ahead to nevada, that might be about to change. that could be huge, if you know what i mean. ♪ ♪ sfx: car driving. ♪ sfx: engine revving. ♪ ♪ sfx: car engine.
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there aren't going to befulany . which is why everybody got excited when there was a poll. bernie sanders tied with hillary clinton in nevada at 45%. tied. that's big news, maybe. here are some things you should probably know about this poll that nobody was expecting. the outfit that commissioned this poll is a very, very conservative website called the washington free beacon. if you go to their online store for a little flavor here, you can buy, for example, washington free beacon tactical vests. you can also buy a walker that says i stole this from hillary. that's nice. you can buy t-shirts that have pictures of george w. bush on them that say greatest living president, fantastic painter. that's who paid for the poll. the group who did the poll, it's a group called target point. they are a republican company. this is their client page on their website. bush chaney, rnc.
also target point has no real track record on public polling. one thing you look to see if a new poll to see if it's legit. you look at their methodology and their track record has been born out over the years. for target point, there's no numbers over the years. there's no public polling trail to follow. there's just this poll. just the one. isn't it kind of weird, if you think about i, it's only a democratic poll. it's a conservative website hiring a republican company to poll the democratic race. not the republican race that will happen many the same state three days later. weird. we called the polling company to ask them when we should expect their nevada polling results from the republican field. they told us we can expect them the 15 of neburary.
they said they won't release the results because they didn't conduct any. they didn't conduct any republican polling because their client, the washington free beacon with the website with the selling the tactical vests and the hillary clinton walkers. they said they didn't request a republican poll. they didn't want it. they only wanted democratic numbers, which is interesting. why would a far right conservative website have a republican firm poll nevada's democrats in a race that's seen as impossible to poll? they couldn't be trying to influence that race, could they or trying to influence perceptions of that race. that's what i'm going to ask nevada's best political reporter, next. 72% of women say they often
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sure their voices were heard. >> despite the fact, if you look at the percentage point, they chose hillary clinton with a big win. the obama campaign said if you do the math, he ended up with more delegates there. >> hillary clinton celebrating on caucus day only to run up against the boring but harsh reality of the delegate math that day. joining us now is the dean of the nevada political press pool. he's been covering nevada politics for more than a quarter of a century. he recently signed on as an msnbc political analyst. i'll tell you, when we got an e-mail from our boss telling us that in our news room, an audible cheer went up throughout my staff. we're super glad you're with us this season. >> i appreciate that. thank you. >> part of the reason we're super happy to have you is you
seem to understand things about nevada that are completely con founding. one of them, that doesn't make sense, is you can't poll in nevada. why do we expect no significant amount of polling before these democratic caucuses? >> well, i think one of the reason, maybe the main reason, what you alluded to when you introduced the segment is we haven't been doing it that long. there's no real sense of the caucus electorate. new hampshire is a primary. we haven't been doing it that long. you look at the turn out, it's very difficult to poll when you know the turn out will be low. it's been really incredibly low on the republican side. it was only 8% or so last time. even though they had a record turn out in that caucus you just referred to where hillary clinton beat barack obama but lot in the delegates, it was a record turn out for a caucus here. about 120,000 people.
that's still only about 27% in the turn out. it's difficult to know that. let's add the other wild card. same day registration makes it very, very difficult. it was quarter of the turn out in 2008. nobody really knows who those voters are going to be because they're not voters yet. >> john, one of the things that you have noted in nevada leading into the caucuses this year is there seems to be a big number of new voter registrations in the state, particularly, among democrats but a lot among undeclared voters. what do those new voter registration numbers mean to you? >> it's very interesting. the rise in independence and non-partisan in this state has been going on for some time. if you add in some of the others, you really see that the major parties really only have about three quarters or so of the electorate. what's interesting about those numbers to me and you outlined them correctly, democrats did
well, but so did the republicans. the harry reid machine in this state has been formidable for some time. the state republican party here is an absolute disaster. they wouldn't know how to register voters if you gave them the forms and told them where to go. there's been outside organizations including one called engage nevada that was started by a former republican national -- he's a current republican national committee political director. they are strregistered as non-partisan. they managed to keep pace with the democrats. the margin in this state is very worrisome for the democrats, which is why they are happy to have this same day registration. they registered 30,000 voters in 2008. we'll see how well they do. the republicans made a big mistake. they do not have same day registration for their caucus. >> i remember covering the harry
reid senate race with you. it was another where the republican party was a mess. they had external groups come in and say we don't need a party. we'll do the organizing. it was a disaster. harry reid took care of her. is there any risk of that same dynamic happening with this engaged nevada taking over for where the republican party ought to be working. >> well, the difference is sharon is a once in a lifetime gift to the democrats. you're never going to see a candidate that bad. not to get you excited, she's talking about running for the u.s. senate again this cycle. she may be back. the anointed candidate on the republican side is no sharon angle. he's a congressman from the third district and running against a former attorney general who would be the first latino elected to the u.s. senate. that race will be a barn burner. i do think the republicans, not
the party, but the republicans themselves, the governors machine and especially this outside group engage nevada have showed they can do pretty well in voter registration. something they didn't do that well in 2010 when she lost to reid. john ralston now an msnbc political analyst, thank the gods. congratulations on that. we're super happy to have you. have a good weekend. >> thanks so much, rachel. this is one of those days where today's news makes it possible to predict tomorrow's news and possibly even tomorrow's scandals. that's next. stay with us. ♪ ♪ (vo) making the most out of every mile.
today michigan released over 21,000 pages of e-mails related to the flint water crisis. that's what that looks like. right now tons of report earers going through the documents so if there's anything to expect for the weekend it's news stories about the flint water crisis this weekend. the other thing to look ahead to is that the governor has finally agreed to testify in congress. we still don't have details on when that's going to be, but the agreement has been made. michigan governor rick snyder will testify in washington on flint. so for those reasons and more there's going to be a lot of flint nooews w clp when you've got a house
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behold it's coming, faster than you think. yeah. friday night news time. who is tonight's lucky player. >> it's judy from pennsylvania. she's a music teacher. she's a singer song writer, two kids, three grandkids. >> it's very nice to meet you. >> hi. >> you are a singer song writer and a music teacher and a parent and a grandparent. >> and a wife and runner. >> how do you have time to be doing this right now? >> it's that important to me. i love you. >> i love you back. i love you already. i'm sure you know how this works. you're going do get three questions about this week's news and if you get at least two of
them right, you will win this piece of junk. >> it's the rachel mixer. >> for a bonus prize for you we have something we brought back from our time on the road in new hampshire this week. this is better than a usual gift. nick, what is it? >> fabulous. >> it is the old school new hampshire license plate with the old man in the mountain and old you go the it. so i know. extra, extra excitement there. incentive really. we need to bring in steve. steve will determine whether or not you got the right answer. steve, meet judy. >> hi. >> all right. question one. are you ready? >> yeah. >> question one, this is from monday's show. we reported on a great new hampshire primary tradition involving a newspaper that's
called the conway. when presidential candidates are seeking the endorsement of the paper, what is the weird thing they all traditionally do at the newspaper's office, is it they climb up on the roof of the newspaper office and scream live free or die at the top of their lungs, do they do a round of shots with the newspaper's publisher. do they took a sharpie and write their name on the refrigerator in the staff kitchen. do they pose for pakts with the office dog named henry. >> a sounds great, but i think i'm going go with c. >> they take a sharpie and write their name on a fridge in the break room. steve? >> let's check sunday's show. >> candidates sign the fridge in the staff break room at the local paper. >> yes, the correct answer is c
and judy is one for one. >> spectacular. let's go to question two. wednesday's show we reported that one former 2016 presidential candidate who had quit the race might now be getting back in the race. that's what we reported on wednesday. then on thursday it turned out his big announcement was a resounding never mind. which candidate decided this week to not reenter the presidential race after all. was it michael bloomberg, scott walker or jim web. >> i think it's d. >> steve? >> let's check wednesday's show. >> we are not able to put together the kind of funding that would allow us to get on the ballots in this period of time and run a campaign that could look at the presidency so we're not going to do that. >> yes, the correct answer is
jim web and judy is it two for two. >> this is harder than the other two. this ask last night's show. we reported that marco rubio is spinning his fifth place finish in new hampshire. how did he describe his fifth place finish this week. did he say he tied with jeb bush and ted cruz, did he say he was in a three-way split decision for third place, c, did he say he came in first place among the bottom six candidates or d, did he say he could have won if he wanted to, but he didn't really try? >> it's between a and b. i think i'm going go with a. >> steve. >> i love this one. let's check last night's show. >> i think we have to have some per can spectaclive here. governor bush spent a lot of money in new hampshire and
finished basically tied with me and ted cruz. >> senator rubio jeb bush did not tie you and ted cruz in new hampshire. ted cruz and jeb bush came in third and fourth in new hampshire. they beat you. you came in fifth. >> yes, marco rubio, and judy is correct. >> the reason it is correct is that joe said he was in a three way split decision for third place when he came in fifth. you were not fooled. did judy win the prizes. >> three way tie for all prizes. >> including the old license plates. i hope that does not offend anyone in your family. >> we're all old farts here. >> no, fart is approved. it was nice to meet you. >> thank you. >> if you want to play the news dump it's easy send us an e-mail, but now you have to go