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carly fiorina. now, according to the first south carolina republican polls since the new hampshire primary, new hampshire winner donald trump is maintaining a strong lead with 36% in south carolina. ted cruz is polling at 20%, followed by rubio, bush and ben carson. john kasich is last with 9%. will tonight's debate be a game changer? joining us now to discuss this is nbc's holly jackson. what more you can tell us about how the candidates are prepping for tonight's debate. >> there's a lot going on. not as much going on here behind me in greenville as it sounds like it's going on behind new columbia. i wish i was with you right now. that's where the fun crowd is. we expect things to get crazier here tonight as the candidates start rolling in and getting ready for the debate. let's run through what everybody has at stake. donald trump and ted cruz looking like they're going to face off.
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they're already looking ready to rumble. particularly after the last couple of debates where we saw the two of them get into it. trump one of the front runners in south carolina, so is cruz. both aiming for the evangelical population. expect the two of them to mix it up. trump already called cruz a liar on twitter. he's hit him for his canadian birth, threatening to sue. cruz has dismissed that. i talk to the senator yesterday, he basically said there's a torrent of insults coming from donald trump's mouth. he won't engage on personality but he will engage on policy. so look for that tonight. you have marco rubio who needs a bounce back after that widely panned some called it disastrous debate performance last go around. christie taking him out there. christie no longer in this, but rubio is. i'm being told by his campaign he's eager for tonight. he's ready to take on those attacks rather than necessarily pivot to hit president obama which is what got him into hot
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water last time. jeb bush is looking for some bunches tonight. looking to land them, hoping south carolina is the place he makes his comeback. john kasich hoping to keep up the momentum he came with off of that second place finish in new hampshire. he's staying positive. somebody else we may not see attack is dr. ben carson. he's the sixth person rounding out this republican field in south carolina. his campaign feels this is a state that could be big for him. a lot at stake for these candidates tonight, joy, as we look ahead to number seven now, the debate between these republican rivals, the smallest one yet. six people on this stage. so it will be interesting to see the dynamic and how each gets after each other. >> no kids table debate. i'm disappointed. i missed that debate. i miss lindsey graham. >> do you really? i don't know. >> i do. i do. i do. thank you, hallie. joining me now in columbia south carolina are jeremy borden, south carolina freelance
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journalist. matt moore, chairman of the south carolina republican party and republican strategist joel sawyer. so we are here in the first debate after marco rubio's some would say robotic performance in the previous debate. let's play a bit of what he had to say at the concession speech. i was in the room listening to him. he got a lot of robust applause. take a listen. >> i can just tell you i know many people are disappointed. i'm disappointed with tonight. i want you to understand something -- i want you to understand something, our disappointment tonight is not on you. it's on me. it's on me. i did not -- i did not do well on saturday night. so listen to this, that will never happen again. that will never happen again. >> joel, you're the strategist on the set here. if you are rubio's advisers what does he need to do tonight to
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bounce back from that? it's become a meme. it's hit social media and hurt him on a national level. >> the interesting thing about rubio, he was the consensus, most consistently strong debater up until the most recent debate. he has to come back and bring the same game he brought in the first few debates when he was consistently the strongest. he has to come out strong, not only take it to the president and hillary clinton, but his other opponents on stage. >> for the republican party, i'll come to you on this, joel, you had more turnout in the first two contests in iowa and new hampshire than the democrats did. you had more excitement around the republican party's process. but you've also not had one candidate sort of stand out as being both the alternative to donald trump and somebody who seems like they could take him on. rubio was that guy, now he's not that guy. >> there's a primary within a primary here. i often point out that south carolina is about twice as big as new hampshire and iowa
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combined in terms of the republican electorate. there's a lot at stake tonight. i think people around the state, i've been around the state every corner this week. i heard from a lot of people that senator rubio is addressing this so directly is a good thing. they like it. that directness, honesty in politics pays off. >> who is covering this, jeremy? i heard a lot of ads on tv. a lot of anti-rubio ads. give us a lay of the land for what we should look for in south carolina? >> you're asking about the debate and rubio's performance. i feel like for the so-called establishment guys it goes beyond just whether they perform well at the debate. do they actually start speaking to the issues that donald trump is frankly speaking better to? you have towns and matt knows this you have towns in south carolina that are, you know, even though the unemployment rate across the board is fairly
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low, these towns are totally desolate. even in the upstate like lawrence, where it used to be a big mill town. they never recovered. donald trump, even though people can criticize him for being craig, sort of vaguely angry, to me he's at least understanding that they're angry. >> yeah. >> i wonder whether the establishment guys, including rubio and bush start to -- they'll have do it in their own way. they can't do it like donald trump. you know, it's not who they are. >> because who can. >> nobody can. >> right. >> do they actually start to speak to those real issues? so i think it goes beyond just do you have a good performance. do you have a good line here or there. can they really pivot on the campaign and start talking about the issues that people actually care about? >> first of all, we should look at the polls. when i got out of the airport and drove by the hotel, all i saw were trump signs. a lot of trump signage. when you talk about the issues,
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you talk about the economy, but what about immigration? we came into this race thinking immigration is what was driving trump voters. but are republicans in this state, is that a primary concern to them. >> it's one of them. south carolina is a diverse state. it's a state with a lot of cutting edge manufacturing, making airplanes, cars, also a lot of social conservatives, evangelicals who are not all the same. voters who are focused on the military. gigantic military installations in south carolina, a lot of retirees. it's immigration, also related to the economy, to the broader issue of government's role and the scope of government in peoples lives and national security. >> can we put that poll number back up? the republican party -- matt is talking about the diversity of issues that are important, jeremy is talking about we have to talk about the economy. donald trump is still the person that is consolidating -- not a majority, but a plurality of republican voters. how panicked is the establishment of the party on
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that. >> i feel like immigration and the economy are linked. because you see your own status diminished right now, in terms of in these communities in south carolina, you're angry at something. and i know that like the republican party, the establishment man over here doesn't like to -- they don't like to link those two. it's a tough issue to explain to people. and the fact is the republican party, and the democratic party really, this issue has not been dealt with. i think that's something that is driving a lot of the anger. they're linked in that way. >> how does the party address it in a way that then doesn't turn off latinos down the road, come off as being ethnic in a negative way? >> that's a manger challenge. the republican party, i think, is -- no offense, is a little bit addicted to this drug of winning now rather than winning 5, 10, 20 years from now.
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if we talk in such a way to give voice to an angry, older, whither crowd that is -- that is upset about immigration policy and talk about it in a way that appeals to their fears, we'll have trouble 20 years from now. and, you know, donald trump has talked about it in a way that appeals to that segment of the population. >> it's interesting because it mirrors the way the south is trying to reboot itself in terms of its own grappling with things. don't go anywhere. there's so much more to talk about here from columbia, south carolina. now the crowd can weigh back in. we'll be right back.
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>> do they want someone telling us right now that any given position he might change tomorrow if the political winds
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shift? or do the people of south carolina want a consistent conservative? a fiscal conservative, a social conservative, a national security conservative who has been the same yesterday, today and tomorrow? that's why conservatives are uniting behind our campaign. >> that was senator ted cruz in greenville, south carolina yesterday speaking to reporters about why conservatives should support him over donald trump. joining me now from greenville is gabe gutierrez. we're looking at a battle between trump and cruz. we figure it will probably get ugly tonight at the debate what are we expecting to hear? >> good morning. south carolina obviously a rough and tumble state. this battle between ted cruz and donald trump is getting nastier. remember a few weeks ago even when there was this unspoken truce between donald trump and ted cruz, at least they weren't going after each other in debates, back slapping each other on the debate stage, that has obviously changed. now there's a fierce battle for
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first place here in south carolina. donald trump going after ted cruz yesterday threatening to sue him. the republican front-runner is threatening to sue another candidate over not being a natural born citizen if, donald trump says, ted cruz doesn't stop running negative ads against him. as you heard in that sound bite ted cruz saying he's the consistent conservative and donald trump is not fit to be president. he's running a series of negative ads not just against donald trump but also against other candidates in this race. one of them against marco rubio backfired when it turns out that one of the actresses in that ad had previously starred in adult films. the ted cruz campaign saying the company that made the ad did not vet this particular actress. they said they would not have hired her if they knew her filmography. she did speak to cnn after the ad was pulled. here's what she had to say.
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>> this is politics as usual. i -- it was done in a snap moment. someone has to make a decision. i have no ill will against ted cruz. he has a job do i'm a middle class working girl. i had a job to do. >> bizarre race now in south carolina. in a state that is used to it. here at the debate tonight, we don't only expect to see trump and ted cruz go at it, but a high stakes battle between marco rubio and jeb bush. the stakes are very high for them. marco rubio trying to bounce back from the fifth place finish in new hampshire. and jeb bush trying to reinvigorate his campaign. his brother, george w. bush planning on starting to campaign for him on monday. two battles here, trump versus cruz, marco rubio versus jeb
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bush, and john kasich trying to stay above the fray. joy, back to you. >> gabe, thank you very much. appreciate that from greenville, south carolina. i feel like we'll wake up tomorrow morning and find out we've all been in a cohen brothers movie, and that's what's happening here. i feel the subtext of the ted cruz and trump bromance is going after ted cruz on that vague foreignness what do you think about that? >> in south carolina, the people in office now, let's not forget two years ago in south carolina senator lindsey graham was part of the gang of eight and won an overwhelming election victory here in south carolina. if you're a member of the establishment, republican, democrat, anyone in between, the solution is not to do nothing on immigration. we all agree. but i think where the rubber
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meets the road here for cruz and trump is not only the rhetoric but the different types of policies they're proposing. >> haven't you just literally performed the thing that is angering white working middle class voters. the logic is for immigration reform. the rationale thing is for immigration form. implying if you're not for it, you're not rational. >> the fact that there are 12 million people here illegally is already de facto amnesty. >> how do you do it then, joel? from a messaging standpoint, the party is now essentially running against immigration reform, but then trying to substitute marco rubio as a potential nominee. you would that even work? >> i think the big thing we have to do is choose the words we use more carefully. the most toxic thing in this country in probably the last decade was the word amnesty. if you look at these bills, it's anything but amnesty. it's penalties.
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it's, you know, in some cases, not gaining full citizenship. not being able to vote. so the idea that we're just going to wave a flag and if you're here, cool, you're a citizen. go vote. that's what amnesty is. nobody proposed amnesty. i think we have to take a step back, we have to be careful about the words we use, and i think that it is irresponsible to a degree for some politicians to be hitting each other on the idea that one supported amnesty and the other did. >> but the last politician in the republican party to propose amnesty was ronald reagan who did outright amnesty and is a secular saint in the republican party. >> yeah. >> now he is. >> the answer is yes. the fact is the republican party -- i wonder, too whether marco rubio running away from that bill will prove to be a crucial mistake. just because, you know, if he
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had defined it and if people -- the republican party was basically behind that bill, ted cruz was basically in the beginning behind that bill. if they had -- they had done all these focus groups after losing last time, right? how do we win? how do we win next time? so we have to take on immigration. they go and take on immigration. as soon as primary politics gets involved, they run as fast as they can towards the right and don't try to stand their ground and say this is the right thing to do. people see that. you know, i don't know whether the majority of republicans -- maybe they would have taken it out on them. you can't go down one road and run back to the beginning and say, well, i promise we'll do better next time. >> right. >> i think people see through that. that's why i think we're seeing so many confusing sort of contradicting things. you know, ultimately the republicans and -- you can blame it on democrats, too. for the republican electorate,
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they have not gotten the job done. they send the majority to washington to do something. as soon as things got hot, they ran away from it people see through that. that's part of what we're seeing in this election. >> i think trump is helping us see through it because he's punching holes in some of the things you're talking about. when we come back, we want go around to some of the candidates who have not gotten as much attention. jeb bush is bringing in the big guns, dubya. dubya is back on the campaign trail. >> they love him there. >> i hear they love him here. as we go to break, let's listen to jeb answering questions from supporters in south carolina. >> expand the net as it relates to mental health services that are bottom up. these are community-based organizations. third, we have to deal with the complicated nature of hippa. are you in the mental health field? >> no, i'm not. >> so the privacy laws make it harder to intervene.
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dubya front and center. >> i know jeb. i know his good heart and his strong backbone. jeb will unite our country. he knows how to bring the world together against terror, he knows when tough measures must be taken. experience and judgment count in the oval office. >> the former president's flavoribility ratings have climbed since he left office in 2009. with the south carolina primary one week away, jeb bush is polling in fourth place. jeb bush when we first -- when he first appeared on the scene, his shock and awe phase of his campai campaign, he didn't really claim the last name bush, his surname. let's listen to him recently. >> i'm bush, proud of it. i love my brother, love my dad, love my mother. it's part of who i am. >> that will work in south carolina, right?
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why? >> that's the 50 delegate question here in south carolina that goes to the winners -- the winner of the primary. what george w. bush did so well, he combined a warmth and compassion with that texas toughness. so i do think that having him here in south carolina for governor jeb bush could be helpful. i expect a big crowd in charleston tomorrow night -- two nights from now in forth charleston for george w. and jeb. the question is does that translate over to support who changes their vote, who of those undecideds joins jeb. >> seeing jeb bush at that event and seeing george w. bush in that ad reminds you how different these two in terms of their political acumen, their ability to be a politician. jeb's standing there in front of a giant american flag with no people behind him. this odd image where you see his shadow on the flag. just from a staging point of view. george w. bush was all about that theatricality of being president, the personal touch as
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being a politician. can jeb bush capture george w. bush's magic without his political skill? >> they're two totally different people. the george w. bush appealed much more as this tough, populist appeal. jeb is more of a policy guy. he's not going to get out there and say, you know, kind of crazy out there things just to get an applause line. the key difference between the first two bushes who did well here and the third is that the first two bushes did well before establishment was a dirty word. right? now you have -- you think about the polling earlier with trump and cruz in the lead, you have 56% of people in the electoral wanting something other than the establishment. >> right. >> so i think that's a key difference this time, too, beyond the style. >> the key difference, too, is that when george w. bush was winning this primary in the year 2000 he was doing it to extinguish the outsider candidate, which was john
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mccain, and did it in nasty fashion. the insinuations that there was an illegitimate black child. you don't see jeb bush trying to go that ham against donald trump. >> it seems like he's shunned that off. but, what's amazing about this to me is that it speaks to the division in the republican party, right? that you have part of the republican party, some half of it or i don't know exactly what the percentage would be, some half of it that still likes dubya, the past president, picture of the establishment. it's almost like trump is speaking to a totally different constituency than the so-called establishment candidates. my question is -- this doesn't directly answer your question, but what happens after this primary in south carolina when it looks like trump will win big. if that happens, what is the future of the republican party? i think no one is talking about
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it. they're like, oh, this long primary cycle to go. you know, worry about it later. the questions are fundamental right now. >> one of them is on the war. one of the big issues that donald trump is using to take down jeb is iraq. and that issue does not seem to cut in jeb's favor even with republicans. >> it's fascinating. i think we are having a big discussion now in our party about not only the direction of the party's future but of the state's future and the country's future. that's a good discussion for us to have. it was coming eventually. democrats right now are having a very similar discussion. >> little bit. >> the elites in the democratic party and the superdelegates are skewing things in hillary's favor. the focus on our side is maybe short-sighted. >> you guys are so fascinating. >> but they're having a similar discussion, but you don't see -- even though bernie sanders is not a typical democrat, some
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would argue a democrat socialist, i don't think the divisions are as stark. i could imagine if trump were to be the nominee that you would have a major revolt if bernie sanders were to somehow be the nominee, he's not quite there yet. but, you know, i think the democratic party would unite behind him. that speaks to the division and more so, you know, do you see -- is there a real possibility for a third party or a big part of the republican party to say we will no longer tolerate what we've seen. >> or michael bloomberg to jump in and scramble the whole thing further. the majority of republican voters in south carolina are evangelical christians. how are candidates reaching out to them? that's next. (man) hmm. what do you think? ♪
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on friday four of the remaining gop hopefuls gathered in south carolina for the faith and family presidential forum. it was a key appearance in a state where evangelical voters make up 57% of primary voters. the candidates who courted the evangelical vote most significantly, cruz and carson, are polling in second place and fifth place. donald trump who skipped the faith and family forum remains in the lead with more than 37%. joining me now from greenville is pastor mike gonzalez, evangelical chairman with the cruz campaign in south carolina and the senior pastor at columbia world outreach church. appreciate you being here. >> good to be with you. >> so, explain to me, if you will, what are the main issues, the most important issues at least when your congregants talk
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to you and not to have you speak for the entire evangelical community in south carolina, but what are the most important issues? >> the most important issues for evangelicals at large are life, marriage and religious freedom. and also i would add a fourth to that, that is someone, a president who will uphold the constitution who is a lawful president. that's what ted cruz is. that's why we're seeing such a groundswell of evangelicals coming around ted cruz in south carolina. we've been working towards that. >> i want to play a bit of ted cruz talking about how his faith would influence his decisions were he to be president of the united states. let's take a listen. >> critical question is who do you trust on supreme court justices? we are one justice away from the supreme court mandating unlimited abortion on demand up to the moment of birth.
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>> pastor gonzalez, what do you say to americans who are more secular who say what we don't want is to have a president in the white house who is essentially using his own personal faith to run the country when the constitution has a separation of church and state. >> well, the reality is that this idea of the separation of church and state is a myth. i mean, you bring your faith into the marketplace like you do anything else. so ted cruz is a -- will be a president not just, you know who is a preacher and pastor in the white house, that's not the idea. i believe all americans can rally around ted cruz because he upholds the constitution. i believe all americans wanted to truly uphold the law. >> let me just push back on you a bit. the separation of church and state is not a myth, it's a constitutional fact. it's a fact on the ground. it's a part of our constitutional makeup. the founding fathers were explicit that they did not want
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to have a national church. can a candidate like ted cruz run on essentially saying he would ignore that part of the constitution if you're saying he's a president who would actually run on the constitution? >> i'm saying that the constitution upholds our first amendment rights. ted cruz is practicing that. he's not violating that. so the idea that he would do anything else but really follow the law and the constitution, it's just not true. he's going to do that. our faith is a vital part to our lives. that doesn't mean he's in the white house preaching, you know, all of the time he's going to be doing that while president. it's his faith, it's who he is. you can't separate him. it's like when you scramble eggs, you can't unscramble them. that's the reality. our constitution gives us our religious rights and our religious freedoms. you can't take that away. >> i want to come out to the panel and add you guys in here. you hear a lot of that talk about the separation of church and state being a myth.
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you hear that sometimeses from evangelicals. how does the party get from here to a general election having embedded that in the primary campaign? >> it's not a myth, it is part of our constitutional fabric. but i think that religion has always had a place in our politics. there are some blurry lines there. at the same time i wonder about this strategy from -- that you're hearing now from the ted cruz campaign because there just isn't that much -- there isn't that much room between the republican candidates on the issues that he is saying are paramount for south carolina evangelicals. to me -- and you can ask the other members of the panel who are well versed in this, they'll decide on other issues. i wonder whether ted cruz is speaking enough to those issues. but in terms of the separation of church and state. that's a big question. this is why somebody like ted cruz, you know, why you have people like bob dole saying we can't nominate ted cruz or even
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some of these other guys is because that does pose big problem fors because that does pose big problem for for them in the genl election. >> the coattails of this issue of believability where you draw the line, i don't think most americans have any problem with somebody standing up and saying i'm guided by my faith in my day-to-day life. but where do you draw that line? are you going to push your faith on me? freedom of religion means freedom of everyone's religion. it's -- there's a story line of, you know, you wanted people who will protect this faith or that faith. as soon as you start carving out one faith or another -- >> how salient is this issue of religious liberty, which is a big cause of ted cruz from the election here in south carolina. >> it adds to what joel and jeremy are saying, all evangelicals in south carolina
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are not the same. maybe in terms of the issues they care about, versus the non-denominational megachurch member, not only a difference of opinions on issue but also style. that's the division now and the discussion going forward is style. one side says we are working to get political power because we can do x, y and z. results on the other side says the gospel says we have to be serving people. when you serve people you get the benefit of the doubt. >> does it surprise any of you that donald trump, who i believe is catholic, who doesn't have outward prodestations of faith as other candidates, does it surprise you he's ahead in south carolina by a large margin? >> it's surprising, but at the same time he's speaking to those other issues. it's like when i've been at trump rallies, and they are the -- the energy for him is as big as he's saying, which is
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scary for the other candidates, but basically he has been able to speak to those other issues, and the other thing that -- just to go back on matt's point, evan g evangelical vote is the most unpredictable. 56% of people in south carolina say they're evangelical christians, because it's so unpredictable and divided, that's why i wonder about the cruz strategy. will it have the same effect as it did in iowa, or is it so unpredictable and these people are really focused on other issues that it backfires. >> pastor, mike gonzalez, i'll give you the last word. how do you expect your candidate to do in this primary in a week? >> i want to tell you this. across our state we're seeing over 300 pastors who have
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endorsed ted pastors from all walks of life. on primary day, we believe ted cruz will win the lion's share of the evangelical vote. >> pastor mike gonzalez, thank you very much. i want to thank my guesses, jeremy borden, joel sawyer, matt moore will be back with us later in the show. we're seven days away from the democratic caucus in nerve nerv nevada. we'll take you there next.
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we've walked around and talked to a lot of people in this restaurant and said if you want to come back, we'll be doing a little broadcast a little thing we call television on saturday. as you can see, the hustle of which campaigns to get their people here. it's a part of strategy in campaigns, stuff like this so you're seeing that divide in south carolina. the democrats are heading west for their next big contest, nevada holds its democratic caucus in seven days. there's a lot at stake for hillary clinton and bernie sanders fresh off their thursday debate in milwaukee where they clashed over race and other things. in nevada they will face a sizable latino electorate. 15% of democratic caucusgoers in nevada are latino. this is where clinton beat barack obama in 2008 by six percentage points. the race is on to line up latino
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voters. the question is not whether la teens no will shape the race, the question is how. joining me now from vegas is lucy flores, democratic assembly woman for district 28 in nevada, and she's a bernie sanders supporter. thank you for being here. i wanted to ask you about where the polls stand right now in nevada. i will put up a poll number here that we have. latinos make up 15% of the nevada electorate. african-americans 15%. asian persons, 3%. and white voters 65%. i guess the question would be whether latino voters tend to vote their vote share. whether they tend to vote at their share of the electorate. >> you know, first of all in the last -- caucus iing is differen from a general election. the numbers tent to fluctuate.
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the hard thing about the caucus is it's hard to determine who will show up that day. so what i have seen antidotally is how much the campaigns have been hustling to go out there and talk to the latino democratic specifically knowing they make up such a large percentage of the electorate out here in nevada. >> we know also nevada is a heavily unionized state. the union vote will be important to what happens. 169,000 union members listed in 2014. 59% of union households voted for barack obama in 2008. so for latino voters, give me the balance on the issues that are most important to them between economic issues that would affect the household and
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things like immigration. >> all of those issues that matter to every day people, whether it's african-americans, latino, whatever demographic is important to latinos as well. economics, exactly what you stated, and, shgs yshg, yes, ims important. you have seen immigration has never been the number one priority. it's been a priority but not the thing that's the top of every person's mind. it is about jobs. it is about who will have better access, better opportunities for their kids, access to education, et cetera. particularly here in nevada where we've been having such a hard time with our educational system and have not been doing well. so the latino community is interested in -- what we call just every-day top of mind issues for all americans. >> all right, lucy flores in las
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us. i'll get right to it. why is the union not making an endorsement this cycle? >> yeah. you know, we don't endorse everybody right now, because we focus in the organization for 48,000 people. we have the largest organizing workers campaign, and we're helping people who don't have a voice, people who are right no exercising their right to vote. we have the largest citizens to help in this group. we have 2500 people, that's our goal. we like helping them to through the process to be citizen. and we focus on border registration. >> right now that's our focus. at the same time we're telling people, you know, it's very important to be a part of the process. they can go to the caucus. but we will not endorse any
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candidate. >> let me ask you a bit about that controversy about the sanders campaign allegedly gaining access to your members through some not so above board means. what was that controversy about? did that impact the decision not to make any endorsement? >> you know, we have been asking all the candidates right now to really don't go inside the un n union, casinos, because we are not endorsing anybody. let the people -- let the workers make their own decision. and we will say that to both candidates. bernie sanders and hillary clinton and any candidate to not go inside the union casinos and try to confuse people and say we are endorsing them. >> if people remember there were some controversy in 2008 between the clinton and obama campaigns about allegations of intimidating union members,
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a democrat to win the nomination without strong levels of support among african-american and hispanic voters. in the upcoming nominating contest in south carolina and nevada will be the first opportunity to test the strength of that support. joining me from the white house is kelly o'donnell. where are the democrats today and what are they up to? >> one of the challenges in this phase of the campaign is that it is not just one state focused. so they have to move around a bit. in nevada where the caucuses are one week away, we have both hillary clinton and bernie sanders doing evenevents, tryin get out the vote and appearing tonight in colorado for a democratic party event like they did last night in minnesota. there's a lot of that mountain west rotation going on where they're trying to get the message out, where there's a lot of common ground in what they're talking about but the differences are so critical and key. we know that hillary clinton has been emphasizing her long
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relationship with the african-american community. she's got some very strong endorsements. we saw bernie sanders trying to cut some new territory there. making some time yesterday to speak with a group in minnesota that had a lot of concerns about some of the issues that are most relevant to the african-american community. he was really trying to talk about how his ideas with respect to wealth, class and how the economic system should change could benefit them, especially some of the young people. they are trying to find those voters who will hear their messages in a way that sort of ignites their involvement. in nevada we know that there are many union employees, many of them a part of the tourism business that certainly drives places like las vegas. so that will be critical as well. getting the message out is important but also getting those voters who are perhaps still undecided or maybe not as motivated to be involved. that's a big part of what we're
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seeing this weekend. joy? >> all right. kelly o'donnell, thank you very much. and back here with me -- for the last few days i've been in south carolina where hillary clinton and bernie sanders campaigns have been. they've been working overtime to make their case for the african-american votes who make up 60% of the likely democratic primary electorate. one of my stops here in columbia was to the legendary stroys barbershop, a key stop for president obama when he was candidate in 2008. i asked barber darrell goodwin which of the candidates earned the support of his customers. >> the older clientele, they are leaning towards hillary. the younger, they are leaning towards bernie. so, you know, the younger, they're feeling their student loans, you know, bernie is saying things they can relate to. i guess hillary is saying more things that the older crowd can
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relate to. the older crowd don't realize we need more. we need more as a people. >> here with me now is steve phillips, founder of power pac plus, and author of the book "brown is the new white." amanda day, former communications director for congressman james clyburn. and senior project manager for np strategies, simone sanders, national press secretary for the bernie sanders campaign. you heard darrell who is amazing. he gave a fresh cut to that gentleman who was there. i want to start with you, steve. he talked about a generational divide among african-americans that i have seen for myself, but i think when people say generational divide, they think the under 30s are more with bernie sanders. i'm seeing a generational divide that cuts off at about 50. what do you think? >> correct. i think we are seeing a new
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civil rights movement, black lives matters movement, people coming out and being active, it'sthe question of are you standing up and fighting back, or are you going to let people kill our people. we're looking for a candidate who has backbone, new solutions and puts their money where their mouth is. >> simone you joined the campaign after the black lives matte matters, why do you think bernie sanders is getting the vote since this is not something he talked about since the black lives matters uprising. >> we have to go back to before bernie sanders was an elected official. as a student in college he was organizing with core, he got
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arrested trying to desegregate housing units in chicago. so this is not something that's "new to him." he does have an intense focus on african-american issues, on issues of police brutality, criminal justice reform and economics as well. he said in the debate the other night that the african-american community were the largest hit by the wall street collapse. african-americans and latinos lost a large amount of wealth. folks took a double take and said is that true? yes, that is true. when we talk about addressing economic inequality in this country, we are definitely talking about policies and practices that are for african-americans. >> steve, one more time on that issue. one of the debates is whether the focus on economics, focus on wall street gets around the issue of race that would not work with african-americans.
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do you think that's a message that can get directly to african-americans when race is not the central part of the conversation? >> i don't. that's his challenge. he has to be more explicit and intentional. black people are not poor by accident or a quirk of history. we were placed in slavery, developed the wealth of this country, denied access to the gi bill benefits, so there's an intentionality to the current situation, we have to be intentional to address it. >> amanda, i've been on the ground and looking at the infrastructure of the two campaigns. the volume of outreach has been. been surprised by the volume of the sanders campaign. you used to work for jim clyburn, probably the biggest political machine in the state. have you been surprised by sort of the variation between the infrastructures of the clinton and sanders campaign? >> i have. i was telling simone before we came on today, my door has been knocked on many times by the
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sanders campaign. they call every night -- i'm not answering, no offense to them -- but they call every night. reading yesterday about the numbers between the sanders campaign and the clinton campaign and how they're reaching out to voters, it's a stark difference. both campaigns have great staff. but the sanders campaign does seem to be larger. >> look at this. we basically said anybody can come. but there seems to be sort of a lot more event and organizational energy. this is part of the field, deciding to show up. >> it's organic. it's not something that they send -- i'm on their e-mail list. i didn't get a blast saying go to liberty today. having that organic feel is something we felt in '08. it expands race, age, economics. it seems to be the energy here. >> one of the dynamics of the sanders movement also takes place in social media. there you have a completely different dynamic between african-americans and not all but a lot of sanders supporters,
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who aggressively kind of civil righ rights sway and bernie sanders civil rights activism. has that had a negative impact? >> i don't think it's had a negative impact, but we have seen this backlash online. the senator noted, i've said it, we've all said, we are running a positive campaign. we want our campaign to be positive, we want supporters to be positive as well. we're not into attacking anyone, we are not attacking on the airwav airwaves, on radio, but we have seen this ground swell in south carolina, and on social media not just with young white people, young latinos, do latin
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african-americans, our message is a message that speaks to the american people, once folks hear the senator's message they'll like him and want to join the political revolution. i think what we're seeing her is a testament to that. >> when we come back, we'll have more. i want to give simone a chance to talk about those pictures, those photos that have been controversial. we want to talk more about dynamics of race in this campaign. stay right here. up next, just who -- who is president obama's bff? office bf?
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>> president obama became a point of contention between the
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candidates at thursday night's democratic primary debate. the president's approval rating is a sky high 92% among african-americans. and during the debate bernie sanders and hillary clinton made sure that those voters know how much they approve of the president, too. hillary clinton's case, to cast her opponent's obama love as not nearly deep enough. >> senator sanders said that president obama failed the presidential leadership test. this is not the first time he has criticized president obama. the kind of criticism that we've heard from senator sanders about our president i expect from republicans. i do not expect from someone running for the democratic nomination. >> it's really unfair to suggest that i have not been supportive of the president. i have been a strong ally on him, with him on virtually every issue. one of us ran against barack obama, i was not that candidate. >> for at least one potential
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primary voter here in south carolina, hillary's proximity to the president was in her favor. >> as far as her now, is there anything about her that you think is positive? >> because she has been with the obama -- what is it? cabinet? >> mm-hmm. >> i'm very impressed with that. she's going to continue what he's started. >> i want to come back to this notion of the obama blessing, how each candidate is really sort of seeking it in a way. i want to button up this discussion that you started about this notion of bernie sanders civil rights record. i think that's an important issue that we need to discuss. it's been used by the campaign as sort of a benefit of trying to say this is what should sell you in part on bernie sanders. >> not just this is what should sell us, but this is part of who he is. this is not just something we put on an say this is going to be bernie sanders today.
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this is what his whole entire political life is built on, the work of dr. martin luther king jr. senator sanders, was an organization -- >> is it relevant from what he did after 1964 to now. >> yes, extremely. >> was he organizing for african-americans for 50 years? >> not just for african-americans, but organizing around the yishissue. the senator introduced a bill for 1 million jobs that will create 1 million jobs in underserved communities. senator senaaunders has been a staunch advocate for women's rights, for issues that affect black and brown people in this country. this conversation about that this is new for him, he's just a civil rights -- no, no, no. >> i don't think people are
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trying to say it's new. what people are reacting to is the attempt to inflate bernie sanders into a leader of the civil rights movement on some sort of par with john lewis. >> no one has said that. >> there is a sense of people saying he is a civil rights leader like john lewis. let's listen to john lewis respond to that in his own words. it's caused controverscontrover. let's take a listen. >> i never saw him. i never met him. i would chair the student violent noncoordinating committee for three years from 1963 to 1966. i was involved in the state-ins, the freedom ride, the march on washington, the march from selma to montgomery. but i met hillary clinton. i met president clinton. >> see, that's caused backlash. you just read a book, i read a book, we know john lewis has known clinton since the '70s. people have gone after him on that. what do you make of this
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controversy? >> first of all, as somebody who came up in the rainbow coalition days of the '80s, i love that they're saying i love this black man more. there is an important issue, it's an area of danger for sanders to be able to alienate the leaders and civil rights by saying i'm as good or better than they were, rather than showing a question of respect and appreciation for the work they've actually done. >> i want to read you guy as statement that john lewis has issued clarifying his comments about bernie sanders. he said the fact that i did not meet him in the movement does not mean that i doubted the senator participated in the civil rights movement. neither was i attempting to disparage his activism. that was the crux of the backlash against john lewis, there were few people saying if you're attacking john lewis, you're on the wrong page in terms of spirituality, but there was an attack on him saying he was diminishing the work of the
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unknowns in the civil rights movement. how has that played out? >> senator sanders and i have profound respect for congressman john lewis. these attacks online, we do not condone those things. that's not something we participate in. we're running a positive campaign. we know, like congressman lewis said. it's not a surprise that he probably didn't meet senator sanders. you can't metet every person engaged and involved in the movement. but participation of people who were staunch advocates in line for the issues. that's what this campaign is about, the issues. >> i want to get to this question about barack obama. that's another issue that's controversial. first of all, the selma photo is not bernie sanders. >> no. he was in selma during that moment. >> let's talk about this dichotomy of barack obama. how much danger does it
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potentially hold that senator sanders said this, i want to play this sound bite when he was on the tom hartman show in 200 20116789. >> i think one of the reason that's president has been able to move so far to the right, there's no primary opposition to him. i think it would do this country a good deal of service if people started thinking about candidates out there to begin contrasting what is a progressive agenda as opposed to what obama is doing. >> how does that wind up playing out in south carolina among democrats? >> the democrats in south carolina are in extreme favor of president obama. i think it's also to remember that these candidates are oning for themselves, they're not campaigning for barack obama. president clinton yesterday in tennessee said his wife was a changemaker, the current president is not. we have to remember that they're campaigning for themselves, their spouses, it doesn't mean that they dislike the president, doesn't mean they do not support the president, but they're
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trying to separate themselves to win an election. >> you made a point about the age distribution of the democratic primary voters in past elections. >> in 2008, 55% of voters were african-american. 40% were under the age of 44. 61% were women. we're extremely diverse in our democratic primary. both candidates, secretary clinton and senator sanders have to go out and reach the voters on a race level, general level and age level. >> that means a lot of people will be voting in this primary who don't remember the clinton era, and only remember the clintons from 2008 when they were not that nice to barack obama. how does that play out? >> the candidates have an opportunity to talk about whatnot only will they do, but they raised $200 million so far. how they're spending that money now. are they elevating candidates of color, putting resources behind those folks. that will send a strong signal as well as who they choose for the vice president. >> interesting, we have a lot
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>> let's start off with that notion that hillary clinton is hugging barack obama in order to appeal to african-american and latino voters who really love the president. i want to play you a sound bite from denmark, south carolina here in south carolina where hillary clinton was at a town hall recently making just that point to attack senator sanders. take a listen. >> he tried to get some attention to attract a candidate to actually run against the president when he was running for re-election. he does not support the way i do building on the progress that the president has made. >> and senator booker, couldn't the sanders side of that argument just say, yes, but if you want to talk about criticism of the president, we could just play a highlight reel from 2008. hillary clinton herself was very
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critical of then candidate barack obama. doesn't she risk having that set of sound bites be played against her in response? >> campaigns get -- you hear a lot of rhetoric from a lot of candidates. it's important to listen. i pay attention to what folks do before its election season and they have to court certain communities. they ran a bruising campaign. i was an early obama supporter. as soon as that campaign was over, the president went to hillary clinton to try to push his agenda. the president's agenda wasn't just dealing with war-torn areas in the middle east and a lot of conflicts that might make headlines. the president's agenda was to work with hillary clinton in an intimate manner that african-americans and all americans, if they think about it, like. hillary clinton was a person that barack obama sent to africa, south america to advance issues of human rights, women's rights. yes. to help many african-american latino people around the globe begin to get economic justice.
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these are two people -- it's not hugging going on, they have hugged. they worked together to accomplish some tremendous things. there's a trust there. there's a competence there and there's a record there that's very important. >> senator booker what does it say about the state of the hillary clinton candidacy that two of her top surrogates, two prominent well respected sort of storied people, madeleine albright as well as john lewis have had to walk back statements eluding to senator sanders, and they're the ones who had to back down on statements about women's support about the two candidates and bernie sanders civil rights record? >> madeleine albright and john lewis are really important historic figures. john lewis is in many ways one of my great heroes. when i went to be sworn in as united states senator representing new jersey, in the moments before i went to swear
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on my oath, i went to john lewis' office. he's a man of tremendous esteem. whether they talk -- backed down, the fact is they're supporting hillary clinton. john lewis, the entire congressional black caucus. i'm in nevada where my mom has lived for the last couple years, the entire black legislator have supported hillary clinton. not because of the campaign, not because of surrogates like me but because of a long 40-year relationship with hillary clinton and intimacy. these been part of the community, worked in the trenches with the community from the time she came out of law school to the time this campaign began. this is not just it's campaign season, let me turn and get some photo-opes with african-americans and others. this is a person we trust and know. especially people that work in washington like john lewis and other titans of the congressional black caucus, they're supporting her because they believe when it comes to r urgent issued, i've lived and
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worked my entire professional career in newark, new jersey, there's urgencies going on in our communities. we trust hillary clinton to be the president to move the ball going forward and dealing with the crisis we have in america. senator booker we have a short time, but you talked about people who know her, worked with her, doesn't that speak about her fundamental problem? if you look at polling out of new hampshire -- this is a mostly white electorate, hillary clinton lost to people under 65, 83% to 16%. she only ron those over 65. you move to the gender gap in new hampshire, bernie sanders beating hillary clinton among women. beating her 55% to 44%. even beating her greater among men, 67% to 32%. you move to nevada, the most recent polling shows sanders is whipping in the gender gap against hillary clinton there.
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if that replicates itself here in a state like south carolina, doesn't it mean being the institutional, established candidate works against hillary clinton? >> again this is a campaign season we're hearing institutional establishment. this is a battle for america. it's not an electoral battle or campaign battle, these are folks who need to get more income because they have more money at the end of the month versus month at the end of the money. this is a shameful reality that we're incarcerating the poor, mentally incapable. for me, i went to washington to battle on these issues. the first policy issue i had a conversation about was incarceration. i stepped up from the time i was a mayor, to a city council person, and now in the senate.
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i will be speaking in black churches, seeing my mom tomorrow for val types day, those folks will not be throwing around poll numbers and rhetoric. they will talk about the real kitchen table issues that affect the african-american community and the latino community. the champion for that, fighting for children's rights in the black community in arkansas, fighting for children's healthcare in the white house, fighting as a united states senator to advance the cause of an urban place like harlem, like the bronx, that has been hillary clinton. a lot of folks are going to trumpet these campaign things, but the reality is there's a trust in many communities for her. that's why i'm out here working so hard. >> i need a very short answer from you, senator booker. i'm going overtime, my producer also kill me. but michelle alexander wrote a scathing piece on her facebook and to the nation saying the clintons have done more arm to the african-american community
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than good. the 1990s, the bill clinton era, a net plus for hillary clinton or a net minus given issues likes that incarceration that many believe from bill clinton's policies that hillary clinton supported. >> michelle alexander is one of the most important voices in the community today. i read her article last night on the plane. she not only talks about the clintons, she talks about bernie sanders, too, who voted for the crime bill. the congressional black caucus voted for the crime bill. there were mistakes made back in the bays i was in law school and i watched what happened with an 800% increase in the national prison -- federal prison population. it's raidiculoridiculous, it's outrageous. it's a shameful chapter. which candidate has the connections to the community, the track record to address the harms from the 1990 when we were building a new prison in the
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united states every 12 days. so very simply, hillary clinton for me, the first conversation she came to me, she started with me, talking with me about criminal justice reform, she knew that was the policy issue i was focused on like a laser beam in terms of trust, nknowledge, and a track record to undo those things that bernie sanders and bill clinton were involved in creating, hillary clinton is the one. her very first policy speech was not about wall street. her first policy speech was not about foreign policy. it was about mass incarceration and her agenda and her plan to deal with this shameful chapter in american history that must end for the sake of all people. >> senator cory booker, thank you very much. >> thank you. and up next, we go live to greenville where the republicans are warming up for tonight's all important debate. first, here's what some young voters at the university of south carolina had to say about
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john kasich this week. how is john kasich approaching the south carolina primary? >> he's really approaching this in a way that is not exactly the same as you've seen some other candidates. while the other big candidates were in greenville for the faith and freedom forum, john kasich was here in columbia, going to orangeburg, south carolina, an area that is usually regarded a when it comes to votes. he's trying to get votes in other areas where you don't see candidates going to. when he addressed people yesterday in columbia, he didn't speak about the same issues that you heard over and over again, like isis, obamacare, healthcare, he spoke about education, giving power back to the states and reaching out to people that he said were in the shadows, such as junkies, addicts, or the mentally ill saying those individuals have been given the shaft by the u.s.
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government in recent years. he says it's time to help those people again as a result of greater economic growth. as one person put it, he's reaching out to people who normally don't vote republican. >> very interesting. will whitson, thank you very much. appreciate that. just one week from today south carolinians will head to the polls to vote in the republican primary. a recent poll from the augusta chronicle puts donald trump way ahead of the pack with 36% report from likely republican voters. ted cruz has 19.6%. joining me now is matt moore, chairman of the south carolina republican party, jamie harrison, chairman of the south carolina democratic party, and republican state representative, nathan valentine. thank you all for being here. matt, i thought there was some interesting information about john kasich that we heard from will, that he's running at the not republican in the race.
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could that work in south carolina? >> south carolina has a lot of people from ohio, a lot of new jerseyans, a lot of transplants from florida, retirees from the military. he may have success in south carolina. >> that's interesting. the ads for kasich on air, is something like in my first 100 days this is what i'll do. kasich did well with this alt candidacy in new hampshire, do you expect he could do well? >> his campaign has major expectations where he will finish. he's been in areas of south carolina that are amenable to his message, charleston area, the sixth congressional district in south carolina. he's a governor. people like governors here. he could find some success. >> representative valentine, your guy, marco rubio, what does he need do in this debate tonight? >> he needs to do what he did in every debate except the first part of the last one, he needs to stay above the fray.
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all these guys are attacking each other, he's trying to stay low and stay focused on what he's doing. >> you are a legislator. >> i am. >> i'm sure a very good one. >> thank you. >> how do you respond to this question of accomplishment? do you have marco rubio who was the speaker of the florida house, but it's a job that rotates in. as a united states senator, even his supporters have struggled to name what he's accomplished that qualifying him to get basically a promotion into the white house. >> sure. i think it's ironic that you mention that here in south carolina. that's the same stuff we heard when governor haley was running for office. she's too young, too inexperienced, it wasn't her turn. she had to go out there and fight. rubio has accomplishments. republicans call it obamacare, others call it the affordable care act. he knew there was an insurance bailout that would cost billions. he has saved us billions by making that bailout come out of
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there. he's tightened up with hezbollah, has done all types of things with the va. the electorate seems to be interested in sound bites and red meat. >> only sound bites if you repeat them three times. >> true. >> does it hurt him he switched on immigration reform? >> i don't think it does. we all evolve. rubio is the most conservative candidate here. i won't talk about the others who have come to jesus lately on many issues. he's been there. senator demint from our state, he was with marco rubio long ago. >> he did run as a tea party candidate. jamie, the controversy here is over who loves barack obama more. how important is this third mystery candidate in the democratic primary? >> listen, barack obama is probably the most popular person in democratic politics here in south carolina. and it is a smart strategy by both secretary clinton and senator sanders to tie
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themselves to barack obama, particularly if they're looking at and targeting the african-american vote, which they need to be. >> what am i seeing? when i'm out there walking around and seeing what i didn't expect to be the level of support for bernie sanders among african-americans, why do you suppose that is? >> senator sanders and secretary clinton have great ground games here in south carolina. you know, secretary clinton has been doing this a while now. her campaign was here a little longer, a few months before senator sanders. senator sanders has really put the energy, the effort and the resources into also building a great grassroots operation. >> yeah. >> i'm proud of both of them. at the end of the day, as chairman of the democratic party, i get the benefit from all of it. >> you sound like jim clyburn. we talked about barack obama on the plus side for democrats. how much is he a factor in the republican race? >> he's on the ballot certainly on the democratic side. i think our party right now is moving in a completely different
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direction the last seven years. when it comes to bernie sanders, you can't ab revolutionary without rejecting totally who is in office now. so sanders is doing that on the left. our party has conservative ideas on how we fix some of these ideas on the right. the big story on the left is democrats, the dnc, superdelegates being stacked in hillary clinton's favorer. that will be a big story line going forward. we have had a good discussion about issues. it's rough and tumble. that's the way it is people want to cover the daytona 500, they want to see the crashes instead of the cars going around in circles. >> let me give you an opportunity to put those out there what would republicans have wanted to do differently on healthcare? >> we want to give consumers more access, control costs. obamacare, simply an effort to reform the insurance market. nothing to do with quality of care and the access to care across the country. real hospitals are closing. obamacare has made that worse. so there are a lot more patient
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things that we can do to fix the healthcare problems that's not been fixed in the country. >> jamie, i want to ask you on the flip side, he's talking about universal health kay. one thing i have not heard discussed a lot is taxes. will a sharp increase in taxes, even if it is swapped out for free healthcare play with south carolina voters in a general election? >> well that's something that i think democrats are going to have to -- they're tussling with that now, where is this sweet spot in terms of tax increases? one thing i wanted to mention, matt flagged -- he said rule hospitals are closing. look at the states where rural hospitals are closing. they're in the states with southern governors who all have denied medicaid expansion. that's why rural hospitals are closing because they are not getting the medicaid dollars that they would normally get. it's not a problem of the president, but it's a problem of governors like the governor we have here. >> and legislators. i have to come to you my
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legislative friend. states like north carolina, south carolina and other states having a crisis with hospitals, the hospitals are saying this themselves because they won't take the medicaid money. if your constituents paid into medicaid, why is it that states like south carolina won't take the affordable care act expansion of medicaid. >> while it sounds good that the federal government would pick up a chunk of the healthcare bill in the first one or two years -- >> for ten years. >> longer than that. what will happen is ultimately the state then is burdened with having figure out where that will come from. there's nothing worse than putting people on roles, and then saying we can't figure that out anymore. >> people said we won't be able to sustain it. there's no way to continue to pay for it. floss rational argument for
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people not to be covered today. >> in south carolina, we are living within our means. our budget, between healthcare and education, that's the largest part of our budget. we have to sometimes say no. as an elected official is it good to tell people no, no. but that's what we have to do is govern. >> matt, as the party chair for the republican party, you've seen louisiana flip to a democratic governor. they'll get the medicaid expansion. states like kentucky, a conse e conservative state but a democratic governor, they like their version of the affordable care act, how is it that you can deny people care and how do your candidates explain that? >> nobody wants to deny people care. it's just the opposite. we want the government to stop being an obstacle, be a friend to consumers who simply want better healthcare to do things like buy insurance across state
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lines, to do things like have price clarity at hospitals and clinics. there's none of that. it is extraordinarily expensive the system we have now. >> we're out of time. thank you very much. appreciate you, matt moore, jamie harrison and nathan valentine. we are just one week away from the south carolina republican primary as you know and from the democratic caucuses in nevada. stay with us, there's a lot more coming up. ♪ (flourish spray noise) ♪ ♪ (flourish spray noises) ♪ (school bell) ♪ ♪ (sigh) ♪ (flourish spray noise) ♪ share the joy of real cream... share the joy of real cream... (flourish spray noise) ...with reddi-wip. ♪ if you have high blood pressure many cold medicines may raise your blood pressure. that's why there's coricidin® hbp.
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the show. who are you supporting in the upcoming election? >> bern of course. >> feeling the bern s! >> i can tell who you're supporting from your shirt. >> who are you supporting? >> jeb bush. >> i understand i have a little inside information. you have already voted by any chance? >> i did vote this morning. >> you voted early absentee? >> i did. >> why do you like jeb? >> it's a gut feeling. >> how are you guys supporting? >> bernie. >> lots of bernie supporters. we should ask this young man, what do you think about all this attention you're getting in your state? >> um, i don't know. >> the right answer. that's why we love talking to the kids. today that is actually it for our show. this has really been exciting talking to the voters here in south carolina. we will see you again tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. person and coming up, more of our continuing election coverage with msnbc
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