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arguments but i don't find it persuasive level to take the position that no matter who is nominated that that person will not even be considered by them. >> sight unseen. >> it an extraordinary position. and i don't think it works as well. politics isn't my game but it just doesn't seem to be to be at all as powerful as for them to say second the person up, we'll look at anyone you want and then do their best or worst or whatever. but to say flat out we don't care who you send up, either because it's barack obama doing the sending or because there just isn't a whole lot of time left before the election, i think it's going to be a very
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hard sell to the public. >> that's a question, floyd, votes are are going o have to judge. we're talking about judges and talking about judging but we're also talking about judgment. if the republican argument is we have reached our judgment before the reviewing and facts of the case, that may not be responsible. we have kerrey sanders with the head of the democratic party. i wonder whether you want to weigh in or whether there are other things on the mind of the democrats tonight. >> we're going to turn to him and ask him. house of representatives does that work for obviously we're going to hear from the democrats. what you heard tonight tells what you? >> it's pretty disturbing.
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because on the stage you had folks who love to say they're strict constructionists of the constitution of the united states, they like to adhere to the words of the constitution. well, when i look through the constitution, i don't see anything that president of the united states, a sitting president of the united states cannot nominate somebody for the supreme court in an election year. it says that the presidency of the united states has the power to nominate somebody for a vacancy on the supreme court. >> not all those up there said they wanted to prevent the nomination. they all seemed to be pretty much in agreement about perhaps preventing that from going forward, especially based on what they believe will be president obama's nomination. >> again, the constitution doesn't talk about whether or not a party believes this or that. the senate has a responsibility. once a president nominates, the president has the responsibility to decide on whether to take up that nomination, vote it up or down and move forward.
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these guys are allowing politics to creep into what we have to did as a nation. not only are we watching here as americans, but countries all over the nation, we talk about being a beacon of democracy, being the bedrock on which other countries can build upon their democracy and every day these guys are trying to find new ways to start all that. >> how do you think that justice scalia's death changes the prime rip process that's under way both for the republicans and the democrats? >> i think the discussion of the supreme court will ratchet up to be in terms of selecting members of the sport and whether or not there's a litmus test. i think what discussion will ratchet up in terms of importance as these primaries go forward. >> sos did it draw more people now to pay attention or is the enthusiasm and emotion about as much as we can probably see? >> i think the seriousness of
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that discussion increases. i don't know if will are more people who say because the support is important and will come out. it just becomes a much more serious discussion in terms of making sure you ever vet and making sure you're selecting the right person to be the nomination for each party moving forward. >> let's talk a little bit about the tone of tonight's deep bait. what do you see as a democrat and what weaknesses or opportunities do you believe the democratic party can exploit from what we heard tonight? >> listen, even as the chair of the democratic party, i was embarrassed for the republican party based on tonight's -- >> embarrassed? >> embarrassed. tonight we talked about underwear, cursing and moon persian gulf the six guys on that stage were debating for the most powerful position in the world. >> you thought is sounded like high school?
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>> not high school, middle school! >> reporter: but you understand how voters react and much of what they react to is emotion, single issues, emotion, who they like. when they talk about tonight's debate, did personalities win the night? >> well, no. hillary clinton and bernie sanders won the night. and it because the presentation that was out there -- there's a fondness, there's something about the american presidency that is strong that, regardless if you're a democrat, republican or independent, there's something special about the american presidency. tonight with all of the name calling, i thought i was watching a wwe wrestling match, with all the name calling, i didn't see that. >> who do you squarely blame? >> i blame all of them. >> not one particular candidate? >> i blame all of them. at one point it's rubio, cruz, trump, jeb bush, kasich and jeb bush. it was just a food fight. and this is -- it's beneath the
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office of the presidency. >> so last question. you think, if i understand correctly, you said this actually helped the democratic party. >> i would love that compare and contrast. let's put those debates up there every time. i'm sort of e baresed this happened in my home state of south carolina. it could have gone over to georgia. i'm going to call matt moore, my friend, the republican chair and give him a big hug because tonight was a fiasco. >> thank you very much for joining us. i appreciate it, the chairman of the democratic party here in south carolina, who has not minced any words here tonight, ari. i'll be curious to see whether what he says is received by republican voters with a nod or a tisk or -- well, we'll see how they react to it. >> we appreciate the time and appreciate your recording. we've heard from a lot more republican surrogates. it was interesting to get the democratic view in south
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carolina. ism -- i know we still have robert costa here in the spin room. how are you doing, robert? >> doing good. we also have aaron and elise. starting with you, robert, the mood here generally about who won and what matters in south carolina? >> reporter: here in the spin room a lot of the establishment candidates, more of the mainstream republicans feel they had an opening tonight. their argument in the spin room was donald trump was running against the republican party, running against the policies and views, especially on foreign policy that that have become the center of the policy over the last decade. they say especially in a state like social security that gives a rubio or bush or anyone else like a john kasich to move forward and the trump people feel pretty confident, too. they think they established themselves as someone a little
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counter and -- >> gabe, i don't want to add to the urgency of the moment. but i understand you guys are going to be kicked out of there at some point? the spinning must stop? is that right? >> yes, that's right. the spin room is quickly clearing out. the surrogates have left the building so to speak. this was a very interesting debate. i think we can all gree agree that right now this race is up in the air. donald trump is by far the front-runner right now and took attacks from all sides today but there was no knockout blow delivered by anyone candidate. marco rubio had to have a big night to come back from a disappointing finish in new hampshire. he held his own. jeb bush had to have a big night, he also held his own. there was a very spirited, a very live live debate. as robert was saying, the
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argument among many of the surrogates here is donald trump, he took attacks from basically all side tonight. >> i haven't seen anything like that. we're going to try to come back to you, unless you get tossed, in which case, we'll just watch that as it happens. i think costa's already been removed. you look at that and you wonder is there something about donald trump where it doesn't quite matter what he says? and he has been roundly and rightly criticized for the sexism and some of the bigotry, proposing religious discrimination in our federal laws, which is abhorrent and unusual and yet at the same time on some other issue like iraq, he gets up there and says things that i think no other republican i think could get away with saying. >> it clearly doesn't matter what he said in most of these cases. each time he and jeb bush go up and do battle, donald trump
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always comes out ahead and jeb is always coming down. >> why? because of style snounts. >> i think that's it. jeb is getting tougher on style. talking about regime change and the iraq war, it's marco rubio and jeb bush who have befoen arguing for regime change in syria. donald trump was on that piece of that fight tonight. so i don't think this is just about george w. bush. this is also about the future of foreign policy with republicans and donald trump is sip rating himself from jeb bush and marco rubio in that way. that's the george w. bsh foreign policy that a lot of republicans are turning away from pip. >> it might be a mistake to look at that through a policy lens, which is what policy people and reporters often do when there is something deeper happening, some idea that trump is tough and tougher even when he's
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criticizing bush or cuts across the neoconservative roots of the party, which have been its center of gravity. let's play one other exchange from tonight. >> while donald trump was building a reality tv show, my brother was building a security apparatus to keep us safe and i'm proud of what he did. and he's had the gall to go after -- >> the world trade center came down during your brother's reign. remember that. >> he's had the gal to go after my mother. i won the lottery when i was born 63 years ago and looked up and saw my mom. she's the strongest woman i know. >> she should be running. >> we need someone to be commander in chief and can lead. i'm that person. >> i think this is about so much more than even just foreign policy. this is about the uphealal of the establishment ruling class.
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it's the frustration that donald trump has managed to channel. everyone's annoyed that our government isn't working. everyone is fed up. americans are sick and tired. they're sick and tired of billionaire donors owning the republican party, the rank and file voters, blue collar republican voters feel ignored and that's what trump's tapping into. it's also with the foreign policy argument, the neoconservative movement has been an elitist, washington-based movement. they're basically professional tourists of sorts going from war to war. i think a lot of the frustration with the ruling establishment, what is perceived as a corrupt class is what trump is tapping into. >> you're saying that as a former bush former official and
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conde official -- >> i think there's real frustration there. there's certainly the time i spent time in iraq and afghanistan, why i think when america goes to war, we need to go about war in a smart way. i think it's a frustration that a lot of people in this country feel. >> that's the fascinating part, right? in that south carolina audience, as you pointed out, there's a lot of military folks voting there, there may be a sense that when you read the transcript being some of it was democratic talking points. if you heard his bravado and energy, he may get away with it. when we come back, we'll play some of the incredible sound of the real fight between cruz and rubio, which was another interesting subset of this
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for a number of weeks, ted cruz has been telling lies. he lies about marriage, he's lying about all sorts of things and now he makes things up. this is a campaign and people are watching and they see the truth behind all these issues. ted cruz supported legalizing people that were in this country. >> sharp words between marco rubio and ted cruz. i'm here with special coverage,
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12:15 on the east coast, 9:15 on the west coast. we've are been chopping up a lot of this. i want to start back with you, perry, in washington. on the one hand people are accustomed to these loud debates and donald trump making a lot of noise. at a distance, here we go again. yet there is still -- the abnormal gets normal very quickly. there is still something remarkable when b how -- how vicious it gets. does it matter that this was such a big and bloody night? >> i don't think we know yet. i mean, i think you've seen throughout this campaign trump has done unusual things and then done well in the polls. the only thing from these debates that's really mattered so far was when rubio struggled to answer questions last week.
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i think that was the big moment. i really did think there were a couple different times tonight where i think rubio and trump both used the word liar or lies regularly to describe cruz. that was very personal. and that's the first time we got there. think about the democratic debate we saw a couple days ago. hillary clinton and bernie sanders went out of their way to praise president obama as much as possible. and the way trump essentially insists he was bad on security, led to 9/11, didn't work hard -- the vitriol was very striking. also the claim about the claim of rubio saying cruz can't speak spanish. cruz in the past has said his spanish is lousy. he said that publicly in 2012 he didn't speak spanish very well.
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but rubio was on to something but it almost seemed like he was calling him not latino enough. >> i will leave it to them to explain what they meant and when they were trying to achieve pip will just note, though, as you do that it comes in an odd context because it's a party that has had a whole competition about who is tougher on immigration and as donald trump would say, keeping the latinos and keeping the so-called illegals out. and a party that's had people like pat buchanan win primaries on an english-first platform. maybe it's more match ocho game. here's rubio defending bush tonight. >> i thank god all the time it was george w. bush in the white
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house on 9/11 and not al gore. i think can you look back in hindsight and say a couple things but he kept us safe. not only did he keep us safe but no matter what you want to say about weapons of mass destruction, saddam hussein was in violation of u.n. resolutions and george w. bush enforced what the international community refused to do but he kept us safe. >> we're not going to relitigate this thing. the rubio argument taken at face value doesn't quite add up. there are plenty of countries that violate u.n. agreements. as trump pointed out, there were problems in the case for the iraq war. and yet this is such a signal moment for the party on the idea -- donald trump's point wasn't i would have preferred a democrat in office.
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his point was something that is not acceptable in most political discourse, which is to say that george w. bush could have done more to possibly prevent 9/11. that is basically a michael moore argument, not a republican primary argument. stwl st st . >> i think the argument we should be having is -- however, donald trump is going after this bombastic path and when he makes people upset, he goes up in the polls. i don't see where tonight will be any different for him. >> i any what we're actually hearing from a lot of republicans, they're saying george w. bush should never have gone into iraq but president obama never should have left. i do think this is being relitigated a little bit and republicans are starting to say
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we agree this shouldn't have bhaupd we have to think about a different path going forward. >> perry, does it help republicans to have donald trump here as the angriest, loudest uncle who will say anything he read on the internet and they be some? the foreign policy arguments surfacing in these primary debates are distinctly different than they would be if he wasn't in them. >> i totally agree with you, ari. the twait and the 2012 republican primaries were essentially like -- essentially the foreign policy debate was the iraq war, right or wrong, whether we should have gone, george w. bush did the right thing, he kept us safe. rand paul i would argue also took a different stand in these debates before. so was ron paul for that matter i should know. but tramp is a candidate with a lot of support behind him, unlike the pauls, who is taking
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this very much in a different direction. his foreign policy is we should destroy isis and do very little else abroad. it kind of an anti-intervention policy, september for isis. and the voters i talked to, a lot of them, most of them would not attack george w. bush the way that trump did. a lot of them voted for george w. bush. a lot of voters in the republican party do feel this way. these audiences, my understanding is full of people who got tickets from the rnc, or the legal republican party in the city they're debating in. those crowds are certainly the republican establishment. it's not surprising they are not cheering chum. the establishment in this audience is cheering rubio's talking point, not his. he knows the audience he's talking to. >> and that he has figured out -- look, if nothing else,
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he's a branding and market being expert. he may have seen even without paying for the polling or doing some of the other traditional campaign things,y he's seen something out there in the body politics, including republican primary participants that many other candidates have not. we also have tonight more reporting on the other big story, the passing of justin antonin scalia. we' we'll. >> i could care less about the insults that donald trump gives to me. it blood sport for him and he join it is and i'm ghad he's happy about it. i'm sick and tired of him going after my family. my dad is the greatest man alive in my mind. and while donald trump was building a reality tv show, my brother was building a security
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for the senate to fulfill its responsibility to give that person a fair hearing and a timely vote. >> president obama speaking in relatively impromptu remarks as he was responding to the news late today that just antonin scalia passed away. he had served on the supreme court for 30 years, longer than any other justice. his influence widely felt. he had become something of the ronald reagan of legal conservatives, a point driven home tonight at the republican debate. republicans responded what they think should happen with the vacancy created by his sudden death. let's look at some of that sound brand new from the debate. >> we could have a diane sykes or bill pryor. we have some fantastic people
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but this is a tremendous blow to conservatism, a tremendous blow frankly to our country. >> this loss is tremendous. our hearts go out to his family i do not believe the president should appoint someone. it's been over 80 years since a lame duck president has appointed a supreme court justice. >> i believe the president should not move forward and i think we ought to let the next president of the united states decide who is going to run that supreme court. >> justice scalia was a legal giant. he was somebody that i knew for 20 years. he was a brilliant man, he was faithful to the constitution. he changed the arc of american legal history. >> that from tonight's debate. i'm joupd ined by my guests as
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think about some of that reaction. erin, starting with you, obviously there was no daylight between the republicans there in what we've reported is at least an unusual position, not saying they want to advise and concept or filibuster the president's nomination and i don't say this to dramatize it. it was only within the last hour that we could report that justice scalia's body is being transported within texas, the flags at half staff at the supreme court, federal buildings and in new york, all of this new. but in that time already, the republicans'ans is we don't want to see any name from the president. >> and john kasich was right when he said it is amazing that we are having this fight already and we just found out hours ago that justice scalia has died. put that out there right now the first day should always be about condolences and we're
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already having this political fight. democrats that i have talked to this evening think that they have the upper hand on this. one, the gridlock with republicans saying we're not going to send anybody through. they think going into an election year, this is a good thing for them the republicans, saying they're going to continue filibustering all of this. the other thing, though, is hearing some of these republicans name conservative justice, even though that it wouldn't necessarily shift the make-up of the sport, they are think they can really galvanize a business over the idea of a justice vacancy over the court. because there have already been these landmark social cases that are been decided and the fear they could be overturnt. i will say i've talked to a couple democrats who have already floated their namesi've heard lore ate lynch is one.
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>> i think it is far too early to ne where the actual process is, where the president is. but we do know at this stage in the second term of a presidency, they have gone through a vetting process for many names. you just mentioned names that have come up prior. two of them would be the first african-american women on the court if confirmed but at lest this is something the white house has by necessity prepared for because the short list is a list longer than one. the politics are if the president wants to get anyone through, he wants to put up someone who is so unimpeachable and so identifiable by the public that it would eventually hurt republicans to be against that individual. >> it's such an incredibly tough
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battle to get a nominee through. i was in the bush white house for justice roberts, for harriet myers, we know how that went. and this alito. these are long, pro tacted battles. and is it what president obama wants to spend his capital on in his final months? and i think absolutely, why not? that's why i did really like jeb's answer tonight, i liked john kasich's answer just because it was realistic. and trump also, of course i want this executive power if i'm in office. i don't think it's what he should do but i would try myself. at least they were being honest and addressing the reality of why not. >> i want to go to some sound. we played hillary clinton earlier, the newest statement she made. she sounded like someone who was very ready for this fight and who felt perhaps that this is an area where she may have distinction not only with republicans but with bernie sanders. they both have senate experience
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but she went through in microdetail why the timeline makes it a fair and just process in her view to get this confirmed. we want to play the new reaction for bernie sanders airing for the first time on msnbc. >> some of my republican colleagues in the senate have a very interesting view of the constitution of the united states. and apparently they believe that the constitution does not allow a democratic president to bring forth a nominee to replace justice scalia. i strongly disagree with that. i very much hope that president obama will bring forth a strong nominee and that we can get that nominee confirmed as soon as possible. >> perry, he's speaking tongue in chaeek but not really a reac
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to say if you take this response at its word, it is a view as stated by republicans that no person could meet their test because their test is by definition no to anyone that president obama puts forward. >> it's an extremely unusual test to suggest that -- yeah, essentially they have said today, you've had two different answers, one is which obama should not send anyone forward. the second answer later on, even trump gave this answer in the debate, trump said if obama sent someone forward, we should, quote, delay, delay, delay. so that was like a very telling response and the range of responses is block the person, delay the person, don't send someone in the first place. i do think you'll hear both senator sanders and secretary clinton take that on. in terms of the democratic primary, i'm not sure it matters that much if the candidates have the same position, it not going to make that big of a difference
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in terms of a distinguishing of the candidates. i would never have guessed the candidate who would actually name judge who is can replace scalia would be the donald trump, but he actually named two judges, judge pryor and sykes, who are appellate judges named in 2003 and 2004. >> i asked him the question of what he liked about their records. he didn't provide any specifics, cases or details about what he likes. i expect he came up with their names in his predebate prepping but didn't have a lot else. one of the things you could say about pryor is he's one of the most pro-life jurists available, he's called roe v. wade an abomination in the history of the world. the other thing before we go to break, this is not something
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where time doesn't matter. there are a host of major issues that are important to liberals, conservatives and everyone else before the court. right now before the court, the president's executive order, whether you think it should stand or not on immigration and the millions of people affected, firm, abortion rules in texas, a host of other cases recording corporations, union rights. it doesn't matter where you are in politics or if you're a voter. these are things that affect your life. the notion that one political party would take as its position the idea that those issues shouldn't be resolved that, will should be a 4-4 split that, there should be a vacancy for all this time, it seems hard to defend that as a matter of governing the country. >> i think you're right. i think you're already hearing that -- i've already seen a sense that i think grassley today first had a statement that essentially said the president should not send anyone.
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then he refivised his statement later in the afternoon, he said the president can send someone but it has to be the right kind of person. kasich said we'll have someone approved by everybody in the senate. it's a very small b-- it's not big branch of government. the idea have you a lot of 4-4 splits. the idea that they will not have one of their nine employees for ten months, i do think that's in favor for president obama. >> that's why there may be a different between what people say in the debate and when the senate does. if your position is no, no
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matter what, then holding a hearing makes you look hypocritical if it's a joke. at some point you have to say this hearing is real or not. perry will stay with us, as well as our panel. we have more, including up next some of the footage and interviews from that spin room after what was by all accounts a bloody debate. we are live, 12:40 a.m. on the east coast. stay with us. how can anyone sleep like that? well, just put on a breathe right strip and pow! it instantly opens your nose up to 38% more than cold medicine alone. so you can breathe and sleep. shut your mouth and say goodnight mouthbreathers. breathe right
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we are back with live coverage after the gop debate in south carolina. i'm ari melber coming here at 12:43 on the east coast team and
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9:43 on west coast time. in the spin room we got a lot of extra insights as we spoke with several people as well as covering the death of justice antonin scalia. we're going to show you some of the very best quick highlights from our spin room coverage. when we come back, we'll be live with our panel to talk about what happened in the debate, as well as about final thoughts of justice scalia. first to the spin room. >> i do have governor kasich here, the second place finisher in new hampshire. thank ug for joining us. >> a poll came out that showed me running second in south carolina. >> reporter: you think that's a realistic finishing position for you? >> probably not. i don't know. the crowds we're getting are amazing. we're going to put as much as we can into this state but we're
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moving on. we're going to be here, compete aggressively but i'm going to michigan, for example. i'm going to be in virginia a little bit and we have to do a lot of different things because this is a national campaign. people thought he does new hampshire and where does he go? well, we're going all over the place. we'll compete hard here. i don't know where we're going to finish. maybe we'll fin, up here. i can't previous district it. but we are going to work here hard and through here to other places because it a national campaign. >> talk to me about tonight' debate, governor. how do you feel your performance was? did you do enough to break through here? >> i don't know what breaking through means. i think it's a demolition derny but my car is still going around the track. i wanted to be positive. people were very positive about what they're saying about my performance and i liked it. and i'm actually getting better at these things. >> do you feel o that? do you feel you're improving as
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a candidate? >> you start to get a little bit of sense. i don't like 30 second or 60-second sound bites but that's the world we live in in the debates. i love the town halls. you've been out, you've seen them, haven't you? maybe you haven't. the point of the story is i believe that's the thing that fits the sweet spot for me. i'm going to do as many town halls regardless of how big the crowds are. >> talk to me about your debate performance tonight. how do you think you did? >> i think really good. everybody came at me, which i expected. >> that wasn't surprising to you? >> no, i watched you, i watched everybody else. i enjoyed it, believe it or not. everybody came at me. according to drudge and all of the polls taken, i won the debate. >> there were moments when you seemed really angry, seemed really mad at jeb bush. up seemed sort of hot under the
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collar. >> you seem angry but you can't to do something for effect. when a man is lying or a man spent whatever amount of money he spent on me, some massive amount from controllers and donors, someone said why did you hit down on him? i said because he spaenends a l of money on negative advertising on me. i had the same with ted cruz. i think ted cruz is going down in the polls because ted is a nasty guy who doesn't tell the truth. >> reporter: you said before that you liked ted cruz. >> i liked him before i got to know him. i didn't know him. i've seen what he did to ben carson, i've seen what he did in iowa. i saw the voter violation form that he made up, which was really fraudulent as far as i'm concerned.
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i'm seen robo calls being made. the head of his campaign was in charge of it and that just came out a little while ago. >> reporter: seems like that gets under your skin. >> it doesn't get under my skin. when somebody does something wrong, you got to take care it have. up make a deal with iran where we give $150 billion, we get nothing. you can't allow that to happen to yourselves in a country. literally every person i've spoken to liked the way i handled it because you have to have the truth. i'm a very straightforward person. i'm a very honorable person. i don't lie. when people are lying, you have to straighten them out. >> reporter: some of the more memorable comments were your comments on september 11th and
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president bush. especially in south carolina where bush is beloved. is that something you stand by? >> of course i stand by it. were there weapons of mass destruction? i don't think so. there were no weapons of mass destruction. and then jeb said my brother kept us safe. he didn't keep us safe. the world trade center came down. i lost many people that were friends of mine. the world trade center came down during his tenure. when you say he was in there trying and everything else and there were many people who say it shouldn't have happened because he wouldn't listen to his own cia. do i like him or don't like him? i just give you the facts. the world trade center came down. he didn't listen to the cia who had information this was going to happen. were there weapons of mass destruction? no. then you look at the last 90 days of the economic collapse of our country. we got barack obama in all fairness because of that.
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j jeb, it's wonderful he sticks up for his brother but his brother had big flaws. >> you had the first question out of the gate when echb was talking about justice scalia. you believe dan sykes -- >> diane sykes. she's very conservative, high live thought of from wisconsin. ism thi-- i'd have to vet diane sykes. she's now a federal judge. >> reporter: you talked about your ground game in new hampshire better than it was in iowa. can you do enough to reach out to the evangelicals here? >> i think so. right now i'm leaving with the evangelicals. >> ted cruz is nipping at your heels. >> he's also telling lots of
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lies and they don't like people that lie. nationwide i'm leading with the evangelicals and i just won with the evangelicals in new hampshire. i think i'm going to do great with the jeevangelicals. christianity is being hit from every angle. believe me, my rehaitianship with the evangelicals has been amazi amazing. it's been a love fest in many ways with jerry falwell come being in. >> reporter: did the boos tonight bug you? this is the second debate in a row -- >> these are stacked -- they're ticketed, candidates get tickets -- >> i know but they are buying all the tickets out. i had my wife and a couple of kids. they are -- they are right now all special interests. i know many of them.
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they're friends of mine. they're waving and booing because they're having a good time. >> reporter: i have friends down there, they're waving and waving and then they're doing the boo thing. it's fine. it's really unfair to numerous of the candidates because certain candidates that raised a lot of money, those were the people that had a lot of audience, which was pretty unfair. but according to drudge and everybody else i won the debate. i do think it's unfair when the audiences are stacked, though. >> hallie, if you can ask what does he like about judge sykes and judge pryor? >> reporter: ari melber is our anchor here. he wants to know what is it specifically you like about judge sykes and judge pryor? >> a tremendous record, very conservative record, high live respected, great intellect, all of the things you need to have a
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great supreme court justice. >> some highlights there when we had people in the spin room. what did you think about trump's answer and he said what he liked about them is that they're conservative and he'd like someone as close to scalia as possible. >> he has advisers around him who are at least putting the right materials in front of him and someone clearly prepped him probably immediately before the debate he was able to say those names. he gave the most vague possible answer to you saying, you know, they have great intellect, i'd like someone like scalia. that could have been any judge. it kind of was par for the course with his policy answers. >> erin, that's something we've seen before. on the one hand running for president doesn't entail you have every potential appointee memorized. you could argue secretary of defense, commerce, epa. what you do as a money jer is
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put in place teams. on the other hand, we're now in a race that's different tonight than it was this morning, the supreme court being a key issue. do you have see that affecting folks like donald trump who may be seen as less versed in it or helping folks lick ted cruz or not matter together extent the republicans all hold a similar position, which is anti-obama? >> i think it's the last point. it ted cruz, marco rubio, jeb bush, donald trump would all go for a conservative justice. i do think when we talk about this race being different because of the debate tonight, you can see ben carson and john kasich at the nds of the stage, they doesn't do anything to help themselves out. john kasich, all night long he was saying this is so nuts, we need to be positive. we're in south carolina now. he's got to get real. and ben carson said at one point he was not particularly in favor of the iraq war. these two guys have had their time in the race. now we've seen a race narrowed
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to four candidates left in the middle of the stage there. >> on the politics they are broadening out from the sport, this is a race where being loud and being angry and getting in fight isn't hurting people. the point is how do you fight, how do you handle these big scuffles? >> i think tonight some of these debates i've watched, i i've wondered do these guy know donald trump is leading in the polls and with to beat them? but tonight i think you saw rubio, bush, cruz -- cruz really took on trump. the word liar used a lot tonight. i think the candidates really got serious. i think they realized trump may need to use some nominations. >> at least that worked. and rand paul also tried to say, well, rear not going to did this
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food fight thimg. >> rand paul came out pretty early attacking trump and hard. >> on policy. >> wendy: on policy. with her cruz avoided it for as long as he possibly could until trump came after him and he had to go there, oo. >> cruz did not have a great debate tonight either. he really faded as well. he did not hold up so well had rubio and trump were both attacking him. so i think cruz is going to try to go back on the attack because he was the one being attacked tonight and didn't do well. >> final thought? >> the eye deep we thought after the paris and san marino attacks is that voters would get serious now. it what's happened hillary clinton, george bush. it didn't pop. so i think weep
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should be cautious to say now with scalia, eight serious issue. >> i don't think that's fair on the campaign. we just don't know. i want to thank perry, elise and andrew for our special coverage tonight. we will continue with the debate and the passioning of justice antonin scalia today. i'm ari melber signing off. that's why there's biotene, available as an oral rinse, toothpaste, spray or gel. biotene can provide soothing relief and it helps keep your mouth healthy too. remember, while your medication is doing you good, a dry mouth isn't. biotene, for people who suffer from a dry mouth.
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