tv Hardball With Chris Matthews MSNBC February 17, 2016 11:00pm-12:01am PST
it is an honor to have you here tonight. >> glad to speak with you. let's play "hardball." last thing on trump, can you imagine him as president? can you think of him up there on the stand in the west front of the capitol becoming president. >> kind of hard for me to believe. >> is it? >> yeah. >> are you on president obama that he'll never be president. >> i just don't think -- look, chris. >> you agree, he can't be president. >> i think little by little, as the debate shrinks, okay, we have a debate, tell me the history of the world, go, you have 30 seconds. its re-dick - >> that is my remarkable talk, i believe with
ohio john kasich just a few hours ago. kasich has been endorsed by the state, the biggest newspaper here in south carolina. he surged from three-points to 1 points, quad drupling his numbers, just out tonight. we'll have the rest of my interview with governor kasich coming up shortly. brand new poll on the national republican race. it's got cruz in front now, rising 8 points from the last poll we took with trump dropping seven. rubio went up four points, but as i said, the other big winner is john kasich. also went up in his case by eight points. all this is a clear result, i believe of the chaotic performance last saturday night in the republican debate. trump, i believe, went into dangerous territory saturday night, when he said the iraq war was based on a lie. and even worst, that 9/11
happened on george w. bush's watch. these thoughts and statements struck at the very heart of the republican religion, if you will, the that they believe this, kept us safe. meanwhile, down here in south carolina, donald trump is still the name of the game. in the three latest polls, look at the numbers, the latest cnn poll shows trump at 38%. cruz second down at it 22, and rubio is third at 14. a monmouth poll released today showed trump with a 16 point lead. and a brand new bloomberg poll released just a couple of hours ago shows trump dominating the field at 36%. 19 points ahead of cruz. my question is, what's going to matter more after saturday night. this coming saturday night, who wins in south carolina, or how badly a candidate behaved a week ago. hallie jackson is in south carolina, and heidi is a senior reporter for usa today. hali, i saw your interview with cruz.
>> yeah. >> he is riding high right now. the problem he faces, these things happen point by point. we go from iowa, to new hampshire, south carolina saturday night. and then the national polls tend to reflect that. how does cruz come out of his saturday night, if the numbers hold the way they're going? >> so it's interesting, chris, because this is one of the things that i talked about with senator cruz on his campaign bus late today. this idea that perhaps donald trump did not have a strong debate, that ted cruz felt good where he was coming into the week and coming into the south carolina. you're right, they have to eek out improvements, particularly in south carolina, where in this state, trump does lead cruz, but cruz tells me he feels very encouraged about the new national poll. he talked about it at his rally. everyone must be screeching in washington, d.c., because he is the new national front-runner. >> lawyers for donald trump is threatened to sue cruz for an add cruz is running in south carolina.
showing 1999, 17-year-old interview who called himself pro-choice back then. trump has changed his views, very quickly and said he was against partial birth abortion. he said he welcomes a lawsuit. >> one of the things i look forward to most of all is deposing donald trump. for that particular endeavor, i may not use outside counsel. i may particular the deposition myself. whether in a deposition or court of law, getting donald trump under oath, under penalty of perjury, answering these questions, well, i'll point out it didn't work out well for bill clinton. >> trump, donald trump later responded in a statement, cruz is a liar and these ads and statements made are desperate moves by a guy who is tanking in the poelgs.
if i want to bring a lawsuit, it would be legitimate. if i want to bring it regarding senator cruz being a natural born canadian, i'll do it as well. teddy, that's interesting. he was asked today about the taunt today. it's going to air tonight at 8:00. >> i've had great success in business. i've had great success with lawsuits. i've had great success in things i do. i don't know that we'll have a lawsuit but we want to keep somebody honest. when he makes statements i'm pro-life and he said he is not pro-life. you can't say that. >> let me go to heidi on this. it seeps like cruz who is doing well on the national poll is getting pressed by the guy above him and the one behind him in the south carolina race, rubio. rubio is going after him for saying dishonest things about gouty, when in fact, he is not. >> right. this was all a spectacle we did
not see after iowa, when trump threatened to sue him there as well. and why? because just like you said, he is feeling the pressure on both ends. the fact of the matter, hillary clinton isn't the only one with a fire wall on the south what you saw today was cruz essentially co opting what has been a very successful tactic for donald trump, all along, which is kind of turning the campaign trail into a bit of a reality show spectacle. everybody knows this is all just a bunch of baloney nobody will be filing lawsuits. but he did steal the spotlight and doing some of these last minute things to try and knock either trump or rubio out of the, you know, running there. >> let me go back to hali for the last part. i have kasich coming up. it's quite candid. these guys, when you get to them, can you see donald trump taking the oath of office, actually becoming president of
the united states, they sort of go back and go oh no, i can't see that happening. in the debate stage where trump dominates, he doesn't dominate the thinking of these other candidates that he will be the president. >> yeah that's a very real possibility, chris. when you look at where donald trump has polled in this race so far, not just nationally but on a state level, you talk about going off of heidi's remarks, cruz getting hit from above and below, it was fascinating to watch his news conference today. he burned it down. he hit trump and pivoted to hit rubio. until now, cruz has talked about a two man race. with me, today, he said or a three man race. he is including rubio in that. we head into the primary on saturday and then nevada after that dpl okay, okay, we'll see. thank you so much. my candidate, one-on-one, with governor john kasich. coming up at the top of the hour, of course, our msnbc with donald trump, hosted by mika and joe. mount pleasant, south carolina.
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welcome back to "hardball," live in south carolina, ahead of saturday's republican primary down here. a few hours ago, i had a pretty candid talk with governor john kasich, who landed a strong second in new hampshire, and surging nationally right now. he said he just can't see donald trump actually being president. >> i picked up the usa today, who scares americas the most.
trump, 38%. hillary, 33%. they're afraid. they're not just dissatisfied with the candidates. they say at least in the pollsters, we're afraid of them. what do we got this inn this country? afraid of the candidates? >> chris, honestly, i've done more town halls than any other candidates. i'm leveling with you. >> why are people afraid of these guys. >> i don't find -- there is all this anger and all that. i don't find it out there. >> how about fear? >> i think there are people nervous about trump and people that, you know, bernie say he is a social list, and people don't like that, and with hillary, her problem is people don't trust her. >> actually the democratic party, about 40% are telling people they do like the socialist thing. >> if democrats are going social list, are you kidding? >> they're going to want to annex cuba? >> what? >> i mean, they're socialists, right?
>> okay, i think -- look, here is what -- >> i'll bet. >> the kid will become democratic, but go ahead. >> here's the thing. maybe. if we had a right policy there. here's the thing. i'll bet this is a reflection of partisan ship. probably democrats saying -- >> bernie sanders, you say he has the socialist tag, which he put on himself. he is the least feared candidate. >> yeah, but he is 28%. >> feared. >> i think that's probably republican versus democrats, you know. a great antagonism towards hillary. you know, they're angry at her ben. >> what does that mean? >> they think we didn't get there soon enough. >> what do you think? >> i don't know enough about it. what do i think? i tell you where i think she really went wrong. she is the one that kicked kadafi out of --
>> you don't like the regime thing change, like we're trying to do against assad? >> that's different. >> i wouldn't want to topple him, but i wouldn't use ground troops. i would call mccain and boehner, i would say we have to support the rebels. i got your message, i have to -- >> i thought you were just against isis. >> i am. >> not too worried about assad. >> no, i want him to go, because iran, assad and russia, he has to go. assad has got to go. but i'm not for being in the middle of a civil wars. i've never supported it. lebanon, civil wars are a prescription for prolonged engagement and no good resolution. it's not smart to be in in a civil war. >> trump, can you imagine him as president? can you think of him on the stabbed of the west front of the capital being president of the united states. >> it's hard for me to believe. >> are you with president obama
on that, he'll never be president? >> i just don't think -- look, chris -- >> you agreed he can't be president, so. >> that's right. that's right. i think what i believe is going to happen, is i think little by little, as the debate stage shrinks, it's not just the debate stage, that's the dumbest way to pick a president. tell me the history of the world, go, you have 30 seconds. i just believe it's going to work. and i keep chucking right along. >> are you amazed having worked in politics back to the '80s when you hear people out in the stage of national television, yelling across the room, face-to-face, liar, you're a liar? >> i was a little surprised at that. >> that's become the normal way people talk. >> i don't think -- i was really frankly shocked, chris, because we grew up in a time where you would say i think the gentleman is distorting things. we didn't say, you know, you're a liar.
witness for the prosecution, remember when the lawyer yelled at the lady on the stand. i just don't think you should be calling names like that. >> well, in the old days, words were taken down. you weren't allowed. >> what we mean by that but if you were on the house floor and personally insulted somebody, the whole house condemned you. and that was appropriate. those were called manners. >> i know. >> you know what i think part of it is? >> i think my boss did that to nut gingrich one time. >> that's right. >> the supreme court thing. one you say it would be nice for the president, barack obama, still president of the united states, to wait off, don't put a nominee before the united states senate, and let the voters decide on what kind of a person we want. >> isn't that an interesting thing? >> you also said, would you put forward a nominee if you were in the situation? you said of course you would send somebody. >> well -- >> politics, would you do it but
you don't want obama to do it? >> let me answer the question, okay. first of all, we know where we are. you know where we are. the whole thing is melting down. as soon as scalia died, i told people around me, we're going to have another political war, more damage, and we have to stop all the damage. i mean, i believe it. now, obama, the president, has so polarized the congress, we know there is no likelihood this is going to happen, anybody is going to get confirmed. if you had a president who had pulled people together and a congress who had been brought in through the, you know, through the efforts of a president to bring people together, you would have a better chance. so i think now things are too polarized. he's going to send somebody up, not confirmed and whoever wins is not only going to be president, but decide who the fundamental makeup of the court is. >> mitch mcconnell declared war, he said i'm going to get rid of this guy. >> i don't like that kind of rhetoric.
we're not a parment system. i don't think the president understood how to get out there, get out there, get out there. you can get mad at the other side. i mean, i've experienced partisan ship in ohio, but you can't knock the pieces off the chessboard. you have to be patient and find people that like you. it's a mess down there. you know, i used to say, i still do say, the cattlemen and sheepherders hated each other, because the cattle couldn't eat anything. they never poisoned all the wells. it's a mess. >> yeah. >> you can undo it. you just have to be patient. i tell people at the town halls, you'll laugh. one of the things if i'm elected president, i am going to get the phone numbers of the moms and dads of kids in congress, and on their birthday, i'm going to
wish them a happy birthday, don't mess with the president. i like him. we've got to rebuild those relationships like we had when both of us were there and we saw people, they would fight, but you know, we didn't hate one another. >> let's talk about you. didn't you sign a bill in ohio that would -- got rid of the six days you were allowed to vote, register that day and vote that day. >> we have the most expansive. >> but why? >> because whenever people who run the voting system says we need more order, that's fine. i have to listen to them. we're voting 28, 29 days early voting. we're one of the most. >> why restrict it further? is than the a partisan move to restrict the number of days you can vote? >> reduce the number to 28. do you know how many they have in new york? >> why did you reduce them in. >> because the people that are working in the voting booths, the people who are the -- or the election officials said we have to tighten things up. >> were they republicans?
>> yeah, but you know, chris, i don't operate on that base. look, i had to stop the republicans from, you know, moving forward on, you got to have a driver's license. i said don't do that. so i want people to vote, but i also think 28 is great and i don't know you're picking on ohio. pick on new york. >> so why don't you believe public employees in ohio should not have collective bargaining rights. >> they do. they do. we tried to do -- >> because the public demanded them, but you were trying to get rid of them. >> what i'm trying to say with them is i needed the local governments to have the flexibility to do what they needed to do and we had an $8 billion hole. frankly, it's very interesting. we were actually in negotiations, aside from the bill that the legislature passed, we were in negotiation with the unions to try to figure out a more moderate approach and when the national unions found out about it, they put a halt to it. then they raised all the money and got 10 to 1, but it has all
settled down in ohio now in regard to unions. i got the endorsement of the building trades, i got the endorsement of the operating engineers and nailed down the endorsement of the carpenters. i have good relations back there with organized labor, and i've told them, if everything keeps going the way it is going, just don't disrupt the economy in the state. >> let me ask you about the role in the supreme court. a lot of the conservatives have said should not interpret, basically take the constitution, go by what they intended by it and stick to that. if you look at the court decisions that really matter to our lives, like the brown case in '54, they said no more separate but equal. no more separate but equal. separate means unequal. citizens unite add. these cases are important. how do we avoid having courts make big decisions? they're going to make them.
i think citizens united was making law. i think they said money is speech. that's a law now in this country. you could spend all you want in a campaign, corporate or whatever, and nobody could stop you. who had more -- you can't do that in congress. do you think citizens united is good for the country? >> no, no, i don't think so that letting a handful of billionaires determine who is going to be the president good for the ri. >> that was a supreme court -- it doesn't matter i have to agree with it. i picked over 100 judges in ohio. i just want somebody with conservative values, who is not going to try to make law, and i'm not going to agree with everything the courts do. i don't agreeing with -- >> where were you in the brown case? what were they supposed to do segregated cases, mostly in the >> you know how i feel about that. >> the court made the right decision. >> probably did, they did. >> that's not in the constitution. i mean, you guys are strict constructionists. public prayer.
>> decision on -- >> somebody has to make the decisions. >> you think they should still have state prayers? >> no, i think -- >> that's what they were. >> in massachusetts, they have the state written prayers almost to the 1,900. >> a lot of people still want the king james bible sited in school. >> no, i'm for silent moment so we can think about our create tore. here is the thing. everything is not perfect, right. thank god that they ruled out separate but equal. i mean, it's just crazy stuff. that was a terrible situation and time in our country. look, sometimes, sometimes you know, they're going to make decisions, be more aggressive and sometimes i'm going to agree and sometimes i'll disagree. i'm not going to run the court. i'm going to pick a judge and i want to pick a judge who is fundamentally conservative, high ethics and a decent record. i'm not going to ask him --
>> what would be better than roe v wade. >> i'm pro-life. everybody knows that. >> it's up to the states? >> what they said is they sort of legalized it and there have been growing restrictions on it and the public is getting more comfortable. i'm pro-life nextceptions of incest, rape and harm to the mother. >> back in a minute.
it down and leave. leave it to them. i'm not a nation builder either. i don't believe in this spending american lives to try to convert them to be democrats. are you kidding me? i have a history on all of this, chris. look, we talked about iraq. if there had not been weapons of mass destruction, there should have been no grounds on which we should have gone there. we didn't know. >> we had the expert on from the cia who said he never told theed with. >> i'm just telling you. it's civil war between sunni, shia and kurds. you don't get in the middle of that. they will redraw the map for the people in the region. if we stop isis, they will redraw it. >> let me ask you about this. the president said yesterday that world leaders are troubled by hearing the republican candidates and the way they talk about muslims and banning them.
>> hooey is not talking about me. >> about immigrants. >> hoary is not talking about me. >> because he said i'm not just talking about trump. >> then who is he talking about? he doesn't want to get into a war of words with me. you are not talking about me. what have i said? i said we need everybody to work together. i never said anything like that. don't just make statements. that's the kind of thing that he doesn't understand the implications of just making statements like that. that's not smart. >> for has been hard for your party to challenge trump. >> i got into war with him. >> you were for a path to legalization some. >> of course for 5i path to legalization. finish the border. what does that mean? it means guard the border so people can't come walking in. >> should we have a wall? >> in some places and other places you have technology.
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kasich. why didn't he just say it's roosevelt and get it over with? >> exactly. >> let me ask you about your parents. how old were you when you lost them? >> 35. >> it was a drunk driver? >> they were at burger king. you know why they went there? a second cup of coffee for free. that's the way my parents were. >> my parents were too. saving coupons. >> everything to give everything to their kids. >> never went to a nightclub. >> i went to lunch with my mother and i ordered es car got. she looked at me and said what are you doing? one time i was with my dad in the mall and i bought a paper back in the bookstore and he said what's in the package and i said it's a book. he said you know what a library is. when i was a boy, my dad used to
driveway at night to pick my mother up. she worked downtown. my mother worked in the post office in pittsburgh. he would drive there and pick her up et late at night and that road scared the crap out of me. i thought it was dangerous and maybe they wouldn't come home. isn't it ironic that they lost their lives in an accident. the only thing i can tell you is i entered a black hole with a pin prick of light. people suffered a lot worse from the standpoint of children or whatever. i was completely devastated. fortunately people showed up and i found my faith. i found a real relationship with the lord. i worked on it for 29 years to try to get it right. it gave me credibility with people. i feel like i can go and sit
with them or talk with them. i can only say to people who have tragedies, you have to realize at some point the sun will come up and learn from it and grow from it. it being took me a long time, but now i am whole and healed and a better man for it. >> where do you think your parents are? >> they are in god's space. they either know what's going on down here or they don't. they don't need to. >> you were an altar boy. >> i was. i started in the fourth 2k3wr5id. >> how many years? >> i was analitiar boy until about the ninth grade and one guy who was the greatest commentary that the world had ever seen. that's the first time i spoke in
a microphone. i never sang because i'm doing the commentating. i announced the closing hymn and nobody is singing. do you know why you people come to church? i said got loves singing. i said sing that closing hymn please. the priest walks out and a little old lady said young man, i love to sing the closing hymn. the next time can you give me the right page? we are all here to change the world.
when people think of religion, the i have to get the dues first. >> speaking in the commentator in church. they escalated to greatness and for fox. how was being a fox commentator different than being an altar boy? >> here's the thing. i was there hosting o'reilly once it was great. he said i am well aware of that. >> you had a lot of freedom from him. are how far would that have
gone? i think nixon was a mixed bag. he deserved what he got, but having to leave the band. >> he played to the wrong instruments. >> how old were you when you met him? >> 18. >> 1970. >> i went to see the president of the university. >> the ohio state. i started telling them stories and he said tomorrow i will see president nixon. i would like to talk to him also. he said you can't. >> where did you get this stuff? i want to go with the white house. >> you know, chris. >> this is kind of -- pushy. >> yes. i have been criticized in my life for being brusk, abrasive and all of this. when you come from the keys rocks, you have to fight your way to the top. the things you believe in, it's
not that, but things you believe in. i said to the president of the university would you give nixon a letter. basically nixon invited me and i said mom, i will need i an airline ticket. >> had you been on a plane before? >> no. listen to this. she is yelling honey, pick up the phone or something. they didn't know what was going on. it was really remarkable. >> did he seem awkward or okay? >> i can't remember really in 70, but in 1987, i saw him again. he said is there anything here. you need to write a letter and they were killed boy a drunk drooifr and she was devastated. his reaction was so human and he wrote a two-page letter and a different side of them.
is that near the port? >> mckees rocks you can see downtown pittsburgh. >> that's where the first nixon and kennedy debate. >> not much happened there. >> let me ask you about that. a lot of 2ke78 krats and progressives think the republicans are a party of the rich and who contributes to the campaigns and the koch brothers and they don't like citizens united. every year we have a close election, it's about 50-50. half the people vote republican. i say to my democratic friends, there cloth coated republicans. nixon used to get them. are you? >> yeah, but i think i can get them. >> talk to the progressives. why do half the country vote republicans if they are not all rich. 50% of the country is not rich. >> i think first of all, they will vote for republicans they think have a good head and a good heart. people thought he had a good
heart. sort of what he wanted to do with policy. i'm sort of the same way from where i came from. things are simple and common sense. my job is to stick up for people who have nobody to stick up for them. you come from mckees rocks, the wind blows the wrong way and people are the volunteers, i've tried to figure it out. >> you came in second. >> yeah. >> 16%. >> i mean, i beat everybody else, they spent millions of dollars against me. for some reason, i've been in a position of where people think that if they're connected to these efforts, that i'm involved with, that they can live life bigger than themselves. i don't consider myself to be any great guy. i'm just doing my thing. and it's honest. it's real. it's idealistic. it's hopeful. >> coming up, john kasich on how to really fix washington. coming up at the top of the hour, of course, our msnbc town hall with donald trump.
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any way, so you were in there playing basketball. ron is a big tall guy, african-american, berkeley, very proud, foreign policy, you two guys were able to strike together a deal to get rid of some of the gold plating in the military. >> do you want to know how it happened. >> talk about ron del. you're much further right than him. >> the president and we're friends to this day, the president invades grenade da, they brake into maury's bishop safe and find all these congressional papers and we were on this airplane, they were saying they gave him all these papers, traitor to america. so i didn't know dellambs, did you give she secret papers, are you against america? he looked at me and laughed. he said two ladies that were on my staff went to grenade da, they basically fell in love with
this guy, maurice bishop and took the paper downs there. i had nothing do with it. i shook his hand and i said good. i'm going to tell everyone else what you told me. that bond us to move forward. we disagree on 99 out of 100 issues okay. but we're buddies. i mean i flew out to his wedding and i'm not in california, i think i was the only republican in san francisco that night. there's barbara boxer and there's willie brown and, you know, i've always felt, chris, that you can get along with people in the other party. you don't have to hate them. >> let's talk about getting things done. before we started here today, you and i talked about what are the chances of really getting something done. >> yeah. >> now, i think numbers are great. one guy says 9, the other says 7, you get an 8, you compromise. numbers are great. you do it when you buy a house, buy a car, you haggle and you get the car bought. it's done and you move on. in politics, you can't seem to do those basic deals, you know.
>> i did. and i still do. >> how did you save money in the military with the b-2 or wherever else. >> i put a coalition together -- >> dick cheney didn't like that. >> no, no, no, no, he didn't. the plane was going to cost over a billion dollars apiece and its job was to fly in the middle of the soviet union and not drop weapons in the middle of a nuclear war. i'm like what? yeah, it was in the '80s and the '90s. so who did i have in my coalition? i had tom ridge, i had john sonunu. >> that's why tom ridge didn't get to be a vice president with w. that was it. and then there were the liberals that came in. look what i did with tim penny. >> from minnesota. >> yeah. a penny cut in every dollar in washington. i had my republicans, he had his democrats, we came together. if we had a majority that favored a penny cut, we enacted it and we went to the house floor. we were going to save like $100 billion and republicans and
democrats both fought us and stopped us, four votes short but it led to the balanced budget. i sat down with the clinton administration. i didn't get everything that i wanted but i got a lot. >> what was it like dealing with president clinton on the budget issues? you did balance the budget. newt gingrich deserves a lot of that credit, but it got done. was that just a good economy that produced a lot of revenue? >> no, no, it's the formula. you reduce taxes, you balance the budget, we cut capital gains taxes. the same thing i've done in ohio and that's what i want to take back. i lost my train of thought because we talk so fast here. >> just about how reagan -- bill clinton was a deal maker. >> yeah, he was. and he had people around him that timed to get to a balanced budget but it took a government shutdown of which i was involved with because they were trying to phony up the numbers. i said the time has come to stop misleading the public. >> who had the phony numbers? >> clinton. i mean that's why we threw a fit
and ended up shutting the government down. then they came and saw me and said we want to open it up again. we want to get into negotiations. will you do it? i said these are the ground rules, they said yes and we negotiated. >> so you know how to get things done. >> one thing, national security issue. the national security issue is when america can't solve problems because then other countries wonder what's happening over there. >> okay. one problem. i just got a statistic the other day that blew me away. two-thirds of the republicans in the congress right now have only served under president obama. they're all brand new. they're tea party guys a lot of them, women. they don't know what a republican party is except as an opposition party. that's what they think it is because that's all the experience -- how do you turn a republican party of opposition into something. >> it's always been an opposition party. they're most comfortable being against than for, that's what makes them conservatives. but with the shock and awe strategy within the first 100 days a whole series of things. the border, social security, balancing budget, cutting taxes, fixing regulations, all of a
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