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right to push his hard line policies is certainly not running for pope. that's hardball for now. thanks for being with us. right now it's time for a special edition of the rachel maddow show with vice president joe biden. you might notice we're up an hour early tonight. that's for two reasons. the first is what you see right here. one hour from now in what is usually my time slot, msnbc and telemundo will be hosting a critical and important town hall in nevada for hillary clinton and bernie sanders. it's going to be broadcast on telemundo in spanish and on msnbc in english. it could not come at a more critical time. the nevada caucuses are two days away. hillary clinton won iowa. bernie sanders won new
hampshire. in nevada, this will be the first racially electorate they have faced in a country with a very diverse electorate. even though it feels super close, there's next to no polling. nobody knows how many democrats will turn out or how diverse the electorate will be. it kicks off in less than 48 hours. that's why it's so important this event we're about to host live tonight with a little under one hour from right now. that's very exciting. that's one reason why i'm on your television when i really shouldn't be. the other reason is because i just got a fairly epic sit down one-on-one interview with the man in democratic politics who looms larger in this race than any one other than the
candidates. he waited to october to take himself out of the running. he has expressed varying degrees of regret about that decision in terms of whether he wishes he was in this race. i'm going to talk with vice president tonight about that. i'll talk with him about criticisms of the obama administration and its record from the democratic candidates for president in particular. we'll talk about vice president biden's own passion now to launch the country toward a cancer cure and to make us do something about our infrastructure in this country. that's why we're in train station here in st. paul, minnesota. all of that is ahead in this exclusive one-on-one with vice president joe biden, including, me getting him on the record about where he stands between two very unlikely boldface anymor names. >> i have to ask you what you think about that. >> pope francis, trump. that's not hard call for me.
not even close. >> vice president biden weighing in like kind of weighing with his hands, weighing trump versus pope. my god, this presidential race is so weird. yesterday, pope francis celebrated mass at the u.s. mexican border in mexico. he was about 300 feet from the rio river. more than 200,000 people gathered on the mexican side of the border for pope francis' visit. the pope has made migrants in their desperation and the plight of the poorest, he's made that the center piece of his ministry since he's been the leader of the catholic church. for us americans, of course, it resonates for us even more when it's our border that he's at praying at ramp overlooking the rio grand into texas. praying for people who have died
trying to reach the united states. people who have died crossing the river and the boardrder. as the pope prayed, there was complete silence. the migrants stood about 300 feet from him in texas at that moment. just solemn. here in the united states this is an issue that resonates on the democratic side of our politics perhaps more right now than ever before. more right now specifically on the eve of the nevada caucuses with its strong and well organized latino population and the democratic parties vying to speak loudest for immigrant families. hillary clinton released this ad of her getting choking up, while getting emotional talking to a little girl whose parents are facing an order of deportation.
then there's the donald trump part of it. >> the pope made a statement about it. the pope. what did the pope say? i like the pope. was it good or bad? if it's good, i like the pope. if it's bad, i don't like the pope. i guess this is a little bit for the press. i wrote this out quickly about pope for the press. he said that maybe i'm not a good christian or something. it's unbelievable which is really not a nice thing to say. it's a response from donald trump. it says, if and when the vaticans attacked by isis, which as everyone knows is isis' ultimate trophy, i can promise you that the pope would have only wished and prayed that donald trump would have been president because -- it's true. it's true. because this would not have happened. isis would have been eradicated unlike what is happening now
with our all talk, no action politicians. the pope is being told that donald trump is not a nice person. okay. donald trump is a very nice person. i'm a very -- i am a very nice person. i'm a very good christian because the pope said something to the effect that maybe donald trump isn't christian. okay. he's questioning my faith. i was very surprised to see it, but i am a christian. i'm proud of it. for religious leader to question a person's faith is disgraceful. i'm proud to be a christian. as president i will not allow christianity to be consistently attacked and weakened unlike what is happening now with our current president. okay. believe me. no leader -- very important. this is given out two seconds ago. no leader, especially a religious leader should have the right to question another man's
religion or faith especially when they feeds all sorts of false information into them. they're using the pope as pawn, and they should be ashamed of themselves. that's the mexican government. >> what's next? space aliens, plagues of frogs. the 2016 presidential race is now so weird it literally has donald trump fighting the pope. not like puppets but like donald trump fighting the pope. what this is about, obviously, is donald trump. it springs from pope francis flying back from the vatican. a reporter asked if an american catholic should vote for mr. trump given some of the things he's said about immigrants. the pope responded in spanish. the translation is a person who thinks about only building wall
where is ever they may be and not building bridges is not christian. i say only that this man is not christian if he said things like that. we must see if he said things in that way. in this case, i give the benefit of the doubt. that's what pope francis said today and donald trump said that isis is going to attack the vatican and now we must recalibrate our notion of what is possible in high level politics. ahead, moments from now, vice president biden responds to that and the 2016 race in general and to what's about to happen with the united states supreme court. that's all ahead. stay with us in this hour leading up to the democratic candidates in nevada. >> well, i am not a theologian or a priest or minister but i think building walls is contrary
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he's worldwide figure in way that a lot of folks have not been. on his way home, he made remarks to reporters today and he was specifically asked about donald trump. he said anybody who is building walls instead of building bridges is not a christian. mr. trump has reacted to this. called it disgraceful and said nobody should question his faith. i have to ask you as catholic and as observer of 2016, what do you think about that? >> pope francis. trump. it's not hard call for me. not even close.
i -- oh. >> is it fair to say somebody who wants to build a wall, by definition, isn't a christian? >> i'm not a theologian nor a pr priest or minister. we're a pluristic society. it functions. look around the world. every other country where there's chaos now, what is it. they're pluristic without consensus. look at almost every single country from syria to iraq to ukraine. no matter where it is. i think it's totally counter to our tradition. should we have border security, but the idea of the united states erecting wall for the world to see makes a lie of everything we say about ourselves. it's a little bit like why the president and i feel so strongly
about closing kwaun ting guanta. it's inconsistent with what we are. we have a bill of rights. we have trial by jury. we have a notion you're innocent until proven guilty. we have all these things. i've been saying for the last nine years, our power comes as much from our -- our respect in the world comes from the exercise of our power as it does from the power of our principles. i mean, it's -- why do people like america? they say you have the largest military in the world. you have more people, et cetera. i like america for what we stand for. one of the things i'm so proud of being with this president for the last seven years is we have once again aligned our basic
fundamental believes and principles with our conduct. it matters. it matters in terms of our security. it matters in terms of our ability to influence the world. it matters in our ability to succeed. >> president obama was asked if he could imagine mr. trump becoming the nominee of the republican party. the president reiterated that mr. trump would never be president. very deftly getting around that the party would nominate him. do you think he will be the nominee? do you think that could happen? >> i think it's very possible he could be nominated and depending on how this all plays out, i would take him seriously in terms of being able to win. he's appealing to a very, very -- he's appealing to fear. he's appealing to that old expression, everybody asked me
why is trump able to win. i said expression. in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king. i'm not very good at prognosticating, but i would not be surprised if he's the nominee. i would be surprised if he got elected. >> vice president biden telling me today in st. paul, minnesota that he would not be surprised if donald trump becomes the nominee but he would be surprised if he gets elected president. that echoes remarks from president obama this week when he president said he doesn't believe the american people would elect mr. trump as the president. vice president biden said i wouldn't be a surprise if he did win the republican primary, which begs the question does vice president biden wish he was the democratic candidate running against mr. trump in the general election this year. stay tuned. >> you have said on the record that although it was the right decision for you to not run for
administration. you just come out of decades in the congress and the senate. were you surprised that wall came down? >> i was. as a matter of fact, the way we got it past, great friend arnold spe spector, i convinced him to switch parties. he was the deciding vote. the republican leadership had that meeting which i never heard of before where they met before president was sworn in and said we have to make sure this was a one term president. it was like boom, day one. it's had a lousy legacy. >> in terms of infrastructure. i know it's a passion of yours. stimulus, recovery act was the biggest public works investment under eisenhower. our infrastructure is still a piece of work. >> it's real work. >> it needs a lot of work. i live in part of rural western
new england where we don't have broadband and nobody can sell their house because of it. with interest rates having been at near zero, the recovery act was a big deal. where is the appetite for fixing what needs fixing and investing mo more? is it just objection to your administration or is it an appetite for fixing? >> i think it's an appetite. it changed the way we deal with energy in america. we spent $90 billion. now we have wind and solar energy about as cheap as coal is out there. we spent $100 billion on education. saving the education system. 300,000 teachers laid off because of the recession. we also put tens of thousands of lower income kids in college
through pell grants which is fundamental lly altered their opportunity. we did the same thing with regard to transportation. we weren't just trying to -- we knew we had to do something big to keep us from going over the clip into a depression and pull us out of a hole. we wantalso wanted to change th story. change the approach to the 21st century. it laid the groundwork for that. one of the reasons i'm doing this trip is not only to say what we did worked, but to say we should do more of this. >> the history of the obama-biden administration is written the biggest achievement of the administration will be pulling the country back from the brink of a second great depression. the stimulus act, recovery act a big part of that. now, running to succeed you
we've got senator sanders and secretary clinton both saying the economy is rigged and unfair for the average working person. is that in part a criticism of you and president obama? however far you took us back from the brink of great depression in 2009, the system has an unfairness to it that you haven't been able to fix? >> it does have a fundamental unfairness to it. we've been trying to fix for the last two years. we went from crisis to recovery. there's $1.2 trillion in tax cuts for wealthy people. 600 billion of those there's no social redeeming value for. we used to have a system that wasn't as rigged in how the tax structure functions. the president and i have been trying to get rid of these loopholes for some time. we have to change the corporate
culture. wealthy people are just as patriotic as poor people. i honest to god believe that. here's the deal. since when is the only job creator the person who invest in the company? my dad sold automobiles as a general manager of a general motors automobile dealership. he was a job creator. every one of those cars he sold he created a job for somebody on the assembly line. today, i have in my office, i have a cartoon from the new yorker. great big rotund guy with a black beret and black turtle neck. it's marked money. he's saying to the cop, how was i supposed to know he was a job creator. since when do corporations not have responsibility to the community? since when do they not have responsibility to their employees? you got some leading guys in the
country who i think and others are making this case that blacks don't, we don't have to reinvent the wheel. just go back to what it was in terms of how corporations acted in their collective responsibility just 20 years ago. >> when i hear you talk about the work that remains to be done, building on what you've done, getting credit for what you've done and making sure it gets advanced. i hear a desire for you to continue doing the work you're doing. you have said although it's the right decision for you to not run this year, you also regret that decision every day. why do you regret it? >> the truth is i don't regret it. it's the right decision for my family. it's the right decision for me. what i did say in the rose garden was is i don't plan on remaining silent. i plan on during this year, as i'm doing with you right now, making the case for not only the administration but making the
case why what we've done has laid the groundwork for a renaissance in america. you turn on the television, it's like, whoa, is me. we're awful. we're so down and out. name me a country in the world, name me one leader anywhere in the world who wouldn't trade places, in heartbeat. we're going to own the 21st century. we have the greatest research universities in the world, the only place in the world. we have the most productive work force. we have a situation where right now in the united states of america we're near energy in north america will be the epicenter of energy. what is it that makes people think this is not going to be the american century? i don't get it. i really don't. i really, really, really don't. i know the polling data shows people have a negative view, but if you listen to everything out
there, you think, my god, we're in such deep trouble. we created more jobs than every other industrial country in the world combined. combined. i travel a lot in foreign policy, as you know, europe, i travel over a million miles just being vice president. they didn't do stimulus. look where they are. come on. this is like -- i just get so frustrated. it's like come on. >> in terms of that frustration, what you want to do with it. you said you weren't going to run and you weren't going to stay silent and keep speaking out on the direction of the country and the party. that part about the party, what do you want the democratic party to be doing differently? >> to start to put more focus on the good that's been done and can be done. i always kid the president in a different circumstance.
i say mr. president, a country is never going to be more optimistic than the president. what is there to be -- we have serious problems. compared to the problems we've had in the past, this isn't even close where we are. sure. we have an outfit called isis. they can do great damage. they scare the living hell out of everybody with good reason. they are instead of dealing with states that are arraigned against it, we're going to deal with non-state actors that can do damage to us. this is within our control. we're beginning to make progress as to how we isolate them. how we take them out. we're in situation -- i just can go on. the only generic criticism i have is we're not talking about the possibilities.
i was with president shi and i traveled with him a lot. i'm told 24, 25 hours of private dinners with him. he said can you define america for me. i said yeah, one word. possibilities. that's who we are. that's why i'm so enthusiastic about this cancer effort. one of the reasons to pick the cancer effort is to demonstrate to people that there's not much beyond or capacity. it will take time, but if we focus, if we narrow down where the bottlenecks are and we move.
there's never been a problem we can't solve. >> vice president joe biden today. he is heading up a new cure cancer effort by the administration. that was announced in this year's state of the union. we'll be talking about that in just a moment with vice president biden. his first on camera extensive remarks on that effort. i should also tell you, boy, does he have a lot to say about the supreme court and whether or not president obama will be filling that vacancy on the court. that's all ahead, stay with us. >> keep in mind, if we don't start, if we don't nominate someone within the next month or so, start the hearing process. they say nothing will happen until the next election, it won't be until next june or july you have a supreme court justice.
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i love his wife, maureen and his son carl. i've gotten to know them. i have great respect for him. like the president said, he was probably one of the most significant justices in the history of the united states of america in terms of impact on the court. it's kind of like i wish i picked so and so on my team because look at all the home runs he hit. that's what i regret is he so successful in taking the court of direction in a different direction. >> in the senate you ran c confirmation hearings for five. >> i think eight. >> at least five. >> you didn't vote for all the nominees. >> i didn't. >> you convened the hearings. they all went to the floor for a vote. why do you think republicans are saying that president obama shouldn't nominate someone to
fill justice scalia's seat. >> excuse my words here. i think because they are intimidated by the dominant element of the republican party, the national politics, the far right. i think they are intimidated by it. i think it's the tail wagging the dog. i think the leadership went out. they should have got out ahead of ted cruz. i don't believe in heart they think this makes sense. we've never done this before. keep in mind, if we don't start, if we don't dominate someone within the next month or so, start the hearing process. they say nothing will happen until the next election, it won't be until next june or july before you have a supreme court justice. we have a dysfunctional congress. we don't need a dysfunctional supreme court. >> if we have a vacancy for a
year, for 18 months is that a constitutional crisis? >> it is a political problem of a different order because you're not going to get resolution, potentially, on serious issues that require resolution. for example, it's interesting how how back when warren was deciding brown versus the board, he had the votes but he wouldn't bring the decision up till he had one southerner who would support it. he knew if every southerner was against it, it would be viewed as a north-south and legitima legitimatize people in the south sayi ining we're not going to participate in this. it's not made up of those individuals. it's a body. it's an organic organization. that's why it's an uneven number. that's why there's nine. there's so many important decisions that have to be
resolved that affect us internationally and nationally that i don't think it's responsible at all. this idea of, i remember george mitchell, i was doing the clarence thomas hearing and there were 48 senators declared they were not prepared to vote for him at the front end. we could have filibustered that and stopped it. george was the leader at the time took the heat from every liberal group saying that's not the way the system is supposed to work. the constitution, a president shall propose. we're going to let them hear this. >> it seemed clear it might be no, you wanted to let the process go forward. >> that's what the constitution calls for. by the way, thomas only got 48 votes. that's filibuster proof.
he could have easily, not easily, could have stopped him from being on the court. it was a prostitution of the constitution. that's not how it's supposed to work. it matters. >> do you have faith this is going to happen the way you're describing it should? >> i have faith that the president and he's asked me to advise him as i have on the last two, is going to appoint someone who is qualified by qualified meaning they have the capacity, the judicial temperament. they have no crimes of moral turpitude. they are someone who will actually have an open mind and listen on the court. i think we ought to be able to find a consensus candidate that meets that criteria. the senate does have a right to have a say in who and what the
philosophy of the nominee is. they only get to dispose. the president proposes. i'll tell you quick story. when ginsburg pulled out, ronald reagan called me down to the oval office. howard baker was his chief of staff. he sat down and said, joe, who do you want? i said yours is to propose and mine is to dispose. he read off to me the potential nominees he had in mind. with howard there, i said i think that person will suffer the same fate. this person, i think will probably get nominated. that person would. that's part of the advise and consent process. >> should president obama do that with senator grassley? >> yes. >> do you think he will?
>> yes. i'm confident he will reach out to the senate. >> i'm going to throw you a curve ball. just this afternoon a senate source has told msnbc it's beyond just idle chatter that there's been some significant discussion that you might conceivably be the president's choice especially under these unusual political circumstances. talk about one person who could get through and nobody else could. if the president asked you to do it, would you say yes? >> you never say to a president for certain you wouldn't do anything. i have no -- look at me now. i have no desire to sit on the supreme court. none. it would be great honor for anyone but i have no desire anymore than george mitchell did. >> who do you think the president should pick? >> i haven't had a chance to sit down with him yet to talk about the potential candidates. what we do in the past is lay
out all the people and go out and survey a little bit and see who we think, who meets those criteria and who could have a chance of being confirmed. >> there's nobody alive who has experience with the confirmation with the supreme court than do you. there's nobody else. >> that's true. i'm not sure what that qualifies me for. >> i wonder though. wh when it comes time and there's not a nominee, will you be working with -- >> no, no. i will be deeply involved. one of my roles as vice president is to be in there with the senate and the house. everybody knows i respect them and enjoy it. i have a lot of good friends on both sides of the aisle. whether there's enough to persuade them who we pick is a different issue. >> vice president telling me that he has no desire to sit on
the supreme court himself. none. that was kind of an intense moment. he also said that president obama should go through a list of names with chuck grassley like president reagan did with him. we have more to come. stay with us. excuse me words here. i think because they're intimidated by the dominant element of the republican party, the national politics right now, the far right, i think they're intimidated by it. i think it's the tail wagging the dog. i take pictures of sunrises,
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what you learned about how it needs to be fixed, and is this the work of the rest of your life? >> yes. i'll tell you and yes. with regard to what i've learned, we are at an infliction point. almost every researcher will tell you in cancer, it hasn't been in last five years you've had the immunology guy talking with the genetics guy. what we have now, it's going to sound strange, we have enormous computer capability. we're approaching able to do a billion calculations per second. that's the objection of our national labs. every single solitary cancer you can't see. it's like all those dots in that
light. there's about 100 different cancer in the cancer cell. they are finding out ways to deal with one or two of the cancer. there were certain medicines. they don't know why if you have that cancer and i get that cancer and i get the therapy and you get it, i don't live and you live. they don't know why. it's about aggregating data. if we were able to put every single cancer that had their genome in one place, we could look at the similarities and dissimilarities that make them work or don't work. every expert will tell you it will increase the capacity to find a, cures, b, vaccine and turn some cancer into chronic diseases and not cost you your life. >> is that the trajectory of
therapy research now. can the government do something to accelerate it? >> yes. they can do two things. we can say if you want government money, you have to make this data public. you have to share it. number two, i'm going to say something outrageous. i've met with these people you have mentioned and they will pull me aside and say i hope you stay in this. you have to force us to do this. >> we need a convener. we need somebody outside our world. >> absolutely to get them to the point where we don't want to take away any profit motive. insurance companies are just beginning to change. excuse me, drug companies. one drug company has developed through their immunotherapy research, a particular drug for cancer. researchers say it would be great if we combined the two of them and put them together because they think they will be
a more positive impact than using one. the drug companies are saying this is my proprietary interest. they are beginning to change. >> part of the inspiration for this is the death of your son, beau. we know at the time he passed, he had been mulling a run for governor in delaware. i had been lucky enough to spend time with him. i was impressed by him as a public servant. i didn't know him as a friend but just as attorney general. a lot of people say they could have imagined him having gone onto run for president. is that something you wish for him? do you daydream about that? >> yes. i think it's a lost opportunity for the country. this is an exceptional guy. he's my son, and people expect me to say that. almost anybody you talk to and this was a truly exceptional guy. he never complained. this was a guy everything about
him was duty. this is a guy who didn't have to go to iraq but he insisted ongoing. he was highly decorated. he came back. this is a guy who had a chance to be appointed to the attorney general's office. he wouldn't take it. he had a chance to be appointed to my senate seat, he wanted no part of it. we would do it only himself. he had his own brand. one of the reasons why i got so engaged in this, wasn't just the loss of my son. when you have someone you adore in trouble, you try to learn as much as you can as quickly as you can in the hope you can emeliorate what they are facing. beau's illness that lasted well over a year forced me, not forced me, enabled me, to get deep in the weeds about cancer and cancer research.
it wasn't just that he was ill, he died, and i decided i had to help or try to help. it was that i learned so much from somebo of these brilliant, brilliant docs. we are at an inflection point and we need something to push it over. i almost wish we didn't say moon shock. what we're really talking about here is to be able to do in the next five years that would take 10 to 15 years to do. it's within our capacity. >> you want to be an excelerant? >> absolutely. it will save lives. >> vice president biden in his first extensive remarks on what he said will be the work of his life to marshal resources and convene people and convene the research world to try to
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