tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC February 19, 2016 12:00am-1:01am PST
we are just two days away from the nevada caucuses at tonight's town hall, we saud two fired up intense democratic candidates. if you missed any of their town hall, good news, you can see all of it again here in just a moment and before we leave you tonight from the beautiful union depot in st. paul, minnesota,
you should also know we've but the all of my exclusive interview, vice president joe biden up at maddow blog.com. that does it for us tonight. tonight's town hall starts right now. the middle class needs a raise, and we're going to give it to you. >> this is not an american economy. it is a rigged economy. >> i voted for comprehensive immigration reform. senator sanders voted against it. >> i voted against it because it was akin to slavery. >> the criticism we heard from senator sanders that we heard about i president i do not expect for someone running for the democratic party. >> one of us ran against barack obama. i was not that person. >> i will work my heart out to make progress to give us all the opportunity we should have. >> it's just too late for the
same old establishment politics. the people want real change. good evening, and welcome to the msnbc telemundo clinton-sanders town hall. >> we're live from las vegas at this unique space designed by architect frank gerry. [ speaking spanish ] >> thank you to the nevada democratic party for helping us put this together tonight. >> we canvassed the state and talked to many people about what they want to ask and chose this audience of 350 people. many will get to have their say. >> we will spend time focusing on topics that resonate with latino voters.
>> jose and i will have a couple of questions that we would like to ask. we'll start with senator sanders. he won a coin toss. he will come out first. join us in welcoming senator bernie sanders. [ applause ] >> pleasure to see you. >> have a seat. put you in our little hot seat for a minute. >> senator, it's great to see you. how you doing? >> i'm great. >> we're happy you're here with us. let me start by telling you a bit about secretary clinton who has been describing you as a single issue candidate. you used to agree but this week you said you're one litmus test for supreme court nominee is overturning citizens united.
you didn't say you have a roe versus wade litmus test, a marriage equality litmus test. >> i don't think that's what she is talking about. if she happens to come to one of my rallies, which she has not yet. she would hear me speaking for about an hour and a half and we would cover 15 or 20 separate issues. i'm not quite sure where she comes up the single issue idea, but do i believe that there has to be a major focus on the economy will the middle class is disappearing when people in nevada and all over this country are working longer hours for lower wages and all the income is going to the top 1%. yes. to answer your question for citizens united, why is that a litmus test for me? if we continue going the way we are going in terms of a corrupt
campaign finance system, you know what will happen in a handful of billionaires will control the political life in this country. they will undermine democracy and what men and women have fought to defend. this is an underlying enormous problem. >> that's the problem. >> i think she's talking about my focus on wall street. if you're asking me do i think we have got to overturn this disasterous citizens united supreme court decision so that billionaires will not be able to pump unlimited sums of money into super pacs and buy election, i do believe that's an important issue. >> let's talk about judge this week in california that ordered apple to help the fbi unlock an iphone belonging to one of the two terrorists that killed 14 people and injured 22 others in san bernardino, california. in response apple's ceo wrote a
letter of the chilling implications of complying. we fear this demand would undermine the freedoms and liberty our government is meant to protect. i know you talked about big brother. whose side are you on apple or both? >> both. this is a complex issue. i'm fearful in america about big brother. that means not only the federal government getting into your e-mails or knowing what books you're taking out of library or private corporations knowing everything there is to know about you in terms of your health records, banking records, consumer practices. i worry about that very, very much. on the other hand what i also worry about is the possibility of another terrorist attack against our country. frankly, i think there is a middle ground that can be
reached. clearly, all of us would be very dismayed if we learned that we could have picked up information about a potential terrorist act and we didn't do that. people would not feel good about this. i think there's got to be a balance, but count me in as a strong civil libertarian. >> all right. couple more we want to get out of the way before we get to the audience. last week you said it was a low blow for the secretary to bring up the past criticisms you had for president obama. this is you calling for challenge. it was on radio show. i'm going to play it. i'm going to get you to react on the other side. >> one of the reasons the president has been able to move far to the right is there's no primary op cig to him. i think it could go do this country a good deal of service if people start thinking about candidates out there to begin
contrasting what is a progressive agenda as opposed to what obama is doing. >> that was you in 2011. >> that was in response to a question on a radio show. >> i get that. there are some democrats who want to continue the president's policy. why should they trust you? >> by the way, there is one of the two democratic candidates here who ran against barack obama. it wasn't me. second of all, i have worked very closely with president obama over the last seven years. he is a friend of mine. we have gone a long way together to move this country forward from the disasterous position we were in when bush left office. when bush left office we were losing 800,000 jobs a month. the world's financial system was on the verge of collapse.
i applaud president obama and vice president biden for the work they did, and i work with them. to answer your question, do we have a right to have differences of opinions with president obama? i've had a number. for example, i have disagreed with him very strongly on his views of trade. he's for the tpp. i'm against the tpp. he has, several years ago, continued bush's tax breaks for the wealthiest people in this country, i was on the floor for eight and a half hours in disagreement with him. overall, i think the president has done an outstanding job. the idea there can be a primary where different ideas are floated, that's what i'm saying. this is one thing i said on radio show many years ago. bottom line is i happen to think the president has done an extraordinarily good job.
i have worked with him on issue after issue. >> another democratic president, this happened earlier today on your plane during a quick press gaggle. you were pretty tough on bill clinton's record. you said you hit his record on wall street. you said this was a guy who wanted to deregulate wall street and for welfare reform and gotten nafta through. it didn't sound like a presidency you were pleased with. >> i have asked to comment on bill clinton's strong criticisms of me. wasn't that i went around attacking bill clinton. he's making nasty comments about me. i was asked about that. i happen to think bill clinton did a president good job as president. let's be clear. i happen to think our trade agreements from nafta through tpp have been a disaster. nafta was pushed through by president clinton. i fought very hard against the deregulation of wall street.
wall street put billions of dollars in order to get deregulated so large insurance companies and investor banks and commercial banks could be merged together. i thought that was a bad idea. that was part of the what the clinton administration was pushing. in terms of so-called welfare reform, that legislation ended up increasing extreme poverty in america. the poorest children in this country. i spoke out against that. i thought that was scapegoating some of the most vulnerable people in this country. overall, do i think the people do a good job? i do. if anybody thinks a member of the united states senate or the united states house has to agree with somebody in his own party who is president, well, you know, all the time, that's not my understanding of democracy. >> given we have harry reid in the audience, he knows how hard it is to herd people in your own party. >> harry. >> it's time to get the
questions from the audience. >> let me just say this as i see harry reid, the people of nevada are going to miss harry reid for all of his enormous accomplishments as well the people of the united states. it's tough to be a democratic leader. we are progressives. you have more conservative people. senator reid has kept that coalition going. this country owes harry reid a real debt of gratitude. >> thank you. as we said, we have about 350 people here, full disclosure. each campaign got about 30 seats. there's about 40 people from the nevada democratic party. we found people interested in the campaign and want know more about each candidate. she's an undocumented
20-year-old who can legally stay in this country because of the president's executive action that holds kids available to stay in this country even though they were brought here illegally. it's known as doca. she supports clinton and what is your question. [ speaking spanish ] >> senator, bernie sanders, you stated the reason why you voted against immigration reform in 2007 was because it wasn't perfect. as president, would you veto or shot at immigration reform if it wasn't deemed perfect by you? >> i voted for immigration reform in 2013 because it was a much better piece of legislation. i voted against the legislation in 2007 in agreement with groups like lulac, one of the large latino organizations, in
agreement with the afl-cil for a number of reasons. included in that legislation was a guest work of provision which organization saw almost akin to slavery. they came in and if they didn't do what their bosses wanted them to do, if they didn't accept exploitation and cheating and then they would be thrown out of the country. many of the workers were exploited. that's the reason i voted against it. let me say this, i want to take a 11 million undocumented people in this country out of the shadows, out of fear that they are experiencing every single day. i want congress to do its job. under senator reid we did pass immigration reform. the house did not. as president i will do everything i can to pass
immigration reform in path toward citizenship for those who are undocumented. >> even if it's not to your best liking? >> of course. it's not that i didn't think it was perfect. it's not a question of being perfect. nothing is perfect. that has particular egregious provisions in it. >> i'd like to say hello. like so many others in the united states is part of a mixed status family that lives with the fear of deportation of a loved one. >> my question to you, sir, if you become the president of the united states, what would you do about the bars, my husband. i'm an american citizen. my husband was here 18 years. i try to bring him out of shadows and i petition him. they gave him a ten-year bar. he's been in mexico during his ten years, six years we've been separated. my little girl was in
kindergarten when he left and the other one was in middle school and now she's going to graduate high school this year and her dad is not here to see that. what would you do to bring my husband home. >> what you just described is unacceptable and should not be happening. my immigration policy is to unite families, not to divide families. when i was here in las vegas a couple of months ago, i heard a story, a young man who was in the united states military while he was in the united states military his wife was deported. can you believe that? >> yes. >> clearly those are not the policies that i want to see, and i will change those policies. >> when you get there, how long would it get to change those policies?
i've been waiting six years. six years out of my life. >> i can't -- we will use our executive office and power as much as we can. hopefully we'll have the cooperation of the united states congress. >> thank you. >> all right. we'll stick with the topic of immigration. i have wayne smith here. he has another question on immigration. he's a veteran. >> hello. i'm here as the vice chairman of the nevada democratic veterans and military veterans and undecided voter. we have become aware in the last 20 years there's been hundreds of veterans who have served honorably as legal u.s. residents. after discharge they ran a follow of the law for possession of illegal drugs or non-violent crime. as a result their legal status was revoked and they were deported. in many cases they ended up countries they left with small children unable to speak the language.
we're talking about veterans who served our country and people of comrades mind and arms. is this fair and what would do you about it if elected? >> i was the former chairman of u.s. senate committee on veterans affairs. in that capacity i did all i could to expand health care and provide the benefits that our veterans are entitled to. what you are describing seems to be an outrage. if people put their lives on the line to defend this country and willing to die for this country, i don't think you deport those people. >> what is your line when it comes to who gets deported or not? >> i didn't hear that. >> president obama has deported more folks than any other president. what is your criteria for deporting people? they're this this country and undocumented. what is criminals? some people think just being here. >> if someone is a violent criminal, they should be
deported. as i said a moment ago, my own view is that our policy as a nation, and what i believe, is we should unite families not divide families. we should not be sending people back to a country that they can barely wear and a language they may not be able to speak. >> how quickly will you get immigration reform done. >> it's a top priority. >> first 100 days. >> i'm not a dictator here. when you have 11 million people living in the shadows, we owe it to them to move as quickly as we can. i will continue president obama's effort to use executive powers. >> we're going to change the subject. it's from taylor scott cruz. he is supporting clinton. >> anybody here supporting me? >> don't worry.
>> just wanted to make sure, chuck. >> don't worry. we're just doing full disclosure. >> you say that creating jobs and reducing income inequality, how is creating jobs going stop a system of police brutality against black americans and mass incarceration for black men or a poor education system for the predominantly black inner cities across america? >> i would suggest you go to my website, berniesanders.com, which has a very, very extense ive program regarding the issues you talk and about. we have more people in jail in the united states of america than any other country on earth. 2.2 million, largely african-american and hispanic. will spend $80 billion a year to lock people up. make sense to anybody? not to me.
we have to do a lot of things. is there a connection between economics and people ending up in jail? let me tell you something, today, do you know what the youth unemployment is for african-american kids is? it's 51%. sometimes kids get into trouble when they don't have jobs. you know what i think, we're going to invest in education and jobs and not more jails and incarceration. number two, every person in this country, i hope, black, white, latino is disgusted when we turn on the television and see videos of unarmed people, often african-americans, being shot. we need real police reform in this country. police departments are run by local departments. federal government can play major role. what we have got to do is make it clear, throughout this country that if a police officer
breaks the law, like any other public official, that police officer will be held accountable. we have got to demilitaryize local police departments so they do not look like occupying arms. we have got to make police departments look like the diversity of the communities they are serving. there's a whole lot to be done. i would love to continue to discuss it. we're in a campaign and the secretary will say what she'll say. i was arrested when i was 22 years old at the university of chicago. you know what i was arrested for. fighting segregation. i have this issue. i know i date myself when i tell you in 1963, i was there in washington for the march on washington, for the march on
washington, for jobs and freedom with dr. martin luther king. this has been something i have felt strongly about my entire life. >> i want follow up something you said at last week's debate, you said race relations would be better under a president sanders than a president obama. why do you believe that? >> i believe president obama has made significant progress. we're going to build on that progress. we can always do better. the progress that we can build on is to understand that we should not have 35% of african-american kids in this country living in poverty. we should not have -- we need real police reform. we need to make sure that when people are in jail, often african-american and latino, there's a path back to civil society so we don't have the race of resid vizzism that we do now.
right now it turns out that we the african-american community and the white community smoke marijuana at about equal levels. it also turns out that blacks are four times more likely to be arrested than whites for possession of marijuana. okay. that's why i believe that we should take marijuana out of the federal controlled substance act. too many lives have been destroyed. too many young people have incured police records for possession of marijuana. >> all right. thank you. we have a question on the issue of feminism. >> do you consider yourself a feminist? if so, how do you as a white male under what people of color face when entering high positions of power in business or government? >> i consider myself a feminist.
gloria steiner, one of the leading feminist made me an honorary woman many years ago. i don't know what that meant, but i accepted it when she came to campaign for me. right now in this country, women are making 79 cents on the dollar compared to men. minority women, women of color, are making substantially less african-american women are making 54 cents on the dollar. this is absurd. it has nothing to do with economics. it has to do with sexism. i will work with harry reid. we have tried to pass pay equity for women. i will continue that fight. [ applause ]
>> senator, up next is a cameron miller. he's a filmmaker. he has a question about minimum wage. good to see you. >> i'm all about everyone making as much money as they possibly can. however, if we increase the minimum wage, how do we ensure that cost isn't passed on to the consumer? >> okay. here's where we are right now. we have a federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour. that's where we are at. you can do the math. multiply that number, 40 hours a week, 50 weeks a year. you come up with an income that nobody can live on and cannot bring up family on. here is my radical idea. you ready for a radical idea? my radical idea is in america if somebody works 40 hours a week,
they should not live in poverty. that's the radical idea. i believe we should raise the minimum wage to a living wage and that's 15 bucks an hour over the next several years. i am proud to tell you i have been on picket lines with fast food workers in washington, d.c. and elsewhere. these people deserve an enormous amount of credit for their courage, and we are making real progress. cities now like seattle, los angeles, san francisco are beginning, have passed legislation to raise the minimum wage over a period of years to 15 bucks an hour. bottom line in america today, we have massive levels of income and wealth inequality. rich are getting much, much richer. top wealthy people now own more wealth than the bottom 50% of the america, 150 million people. what my campaign is about is
saying we'll have an economy that works for working families and not just the top 1%. one part of that is to raise the minimum wage to a living wage of 15 buck answer hour. >> how do we ensure that once we increase that to $15 an hour that we're not creating a situation where those same people are now below the poverty line because i would assume prices will increase. >> you may end up paying a few cents more for a hamburger at mcdonald's, but if you're working going from 8 or 10 bucks to $15 an hour, you'll be a lot better off. i'll tell you something else. we have 47 million people living in poverty today. we have people who go to emergency food shelves who work 40 hours a week but are not earning enough money to provide for their family. when we put money into the hands
of working people, you know what then happens, they can go out and buy products. they can go shopping and when they do that, they create jobs. instead of giving tax breaks to billionaires and thinking that will trickle down, my view is you put money into the hands of working people who spend it, and then create more jobs. >> thank you very much. [ applause ] >> one question comes from high schooler jessica, who will be voting for the first time this year. >> my question to you is, i'm a student, i like how you want free education. what is your plan to achieve this being it would cost about $70 billion per year more than twice what the federal government spends on pell grants. >> excellent.
>> i'm not finished. what free college make higher education more efficient, more innovative and higher quality? >> i'm sorry. >> what free college make higher education more efficient, more innovative and higher quality. >> let me answer in this way. this is something i feel very strongly about. 100, 150 years ago very brave americans fought for the concept of free public education. what they were saying is working class kids, low income people, their kids have a right to get free education. it shouldn't just be available to wealthy families. huge achievement. what public education has been in this country from day one is saying free education for the
first grade through grade 12. that's great. the world has changed. today in 2016, a college degree is the equivalent of what a high school degree was 50 or 60 years ago in terms of going out and getting a good job. i believe when we talk about public education, it should include free tuition at public colleges and universities. that's what i believe. [ applause ] why that is a revolutionary idea, my parents, my dad came to this country from poland. he dropped out of high school. my mom never went to college. there's millions of kids in this country who today, because of the economic circumstances, never believe they're going to be able to make it to college. what i want is for every child in america regardless of the income of his or her family to know that if they study hard,
take school seriously, yes, they will be able to get a college education. you raised a very good question and your number was right. the other thing i want to do is lower student debt in this country. millions of people are being crushed with student debt. every place i go. we are fighting for both of those provisions. you're right. it will cost $70 billion a year. it's a lot of money. how am i going to pay for it? i'll tell you how i pay for it. when wall street's illegal activities helped destroy this country and hit the state of nevada, probably harder than any other state, you know what happened? congress bailed out the illegal behavior on wall street. you know what wall street is doing okay now.
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welcome back. our clinton-sanders town hall. senator sanders is up. we have some veterans issues. this is statement where the unemployment rate for veteran s more than a third higher for veterans nationwide. i want to bring up vaness she served in iraq and is a member of the arm reserves. >> good evening.
veterans are always thanked for their service and the candidates say they support veterans. that support has not translated into jobs. i would like to know how you will ensure that support translates into getting veterans hired and not only hired but getting them jobs that are commensurate with their skills and abilities? >> thank you very much. your point is well taken. everybody thanks the veterans but sometimes after they come home, we have a tendency to forget about them and the struggles that they go through. i was chairman of the veterans committee for two years. in that capacity passed in a bipartisan way the most comprehensive veterans health care legislation passed in the modern history of this country. we also did some other things in that legislation.
to answer your question, we've got to do a number of things. we have to give a priority in terms of federal employment. second of all, what we have to do, which we do not do enough, is people in the military develop a lot of really good skills. whether it's driving a truck or doing whatever, being a paramedic. we have got to make sure that the skills that they have acquired in the military are transferable to the civil vote, so when they walk in, that's not often the case. [ applause ] >> when the sieve society you work three years and you go to another job and you get credit. often that's not the case in the military.to another job and you credit.
often that's not the case in the military.work three years and yo another job and you get credit. often that's not the case in the military.three years and you go another job and you get credit. often that's not the case in the military.work three years and yo another job and you get credit. often that's not the case in the military. we have to make sure that the government employs. there's a lot to be done. the bottom line is when people put their lives on the line to defend us, we have got to protect them in every way that we can. [ applause ] >> we're going to stick with veterans issues here. it's less than 10% in the nation. about half are enrolled in the va system. he retired in 2015. he's a volunteer for the clinton campaign, but i think the question is still relevant. >> senator sanders, your chairmanship is the most position and highest ranking you held in government. at a time you went so far as to call it manufacturing to promote the privatization of health
care. we need someone who would fix the issue. if elected as president, how will you fix the va to ensure me and my veterans that we'll receive the care that we need? >> guess what, the koch brothers and many of their allies do precisely want to privatize the va. i believe along with the american legion, the vietnam vets and all the veterans organizations that's a pretty bad idea. veterans have their own special held care needs based on their service to this country. i will fight to protect and preserve the veterans administration. as it happened as i just mentioned under my leadership with the support of senator reid, we managed to pass the
largest and most comprehensive va legislation in the mod enhistory of this country, approximately $17 billion. we put billions of dollars into the va to precisely address the issue of waiting list. it's good for some people to say there's a problem, but we address the problem. why was there waiting list? there was a waiting list in phoenix and many other parts of this country because there were not enough doctors, not enough nurses, not enough medical personnel. we address that issue and we address a number of other educational issues. we brought many, many new health care facilities, community based outreach clinics around this country. i apologize to nobody for my work as chairman of the va. we made significant progress in improving health care and expediting benefits for the veterans of our country who deserve, by the way, the highest quality health care we can provide. >> thank you, senator.
>> senator sanders, i want to turn to phizel, a doctor who is here with his wife and he's kind enough. because he speaks five languages fluently which makes us bilinguals feel bad enough all of a sudden, he's kind enough to do this in english. >> senator sanders, i'm a physician. we did a lot of volunteer work in town. we try tirelessly to serve humanity every day. >> thank you. >> we're also proud, peace loving american muslims. we're the parents of two children. we're very concerned about the safety of our children with the islamaphobia that's rampant right now. as president, how would you address this?
>> bluntly and directly. this country's greatest relied on the history. we have welcomed people into this country. my dad came from poland at the age of 17. people can disagree about immigration and immigration reform. i believe we need comprehensive immigration reform. it's absolutely unacceptable to me that in the year 2016, we have people like donald trump and others who are trying to gain votes by scapegoating people who may be muslims or people who may be latinos. that's unacceptable.
this country has struggled too much for too many years. by the way, i'm appalled. people can agree with barack obama, you can disagree with barack obama. anybody who doesn't understand that the kind of obstructionism and hatred thrown at this man, the idea of making him a delegitimate president by suggesting he was not born in america because his dad came from kenya, no one asked me, whether i'm a citizen or not. my father came from poland. what's the difference? maybe the color of our skin. i promise you, i promise you, what motivates me is what dr. martin luther king jr. said. we've got to judge people based
on their character not the color of the skin, not the country they came from. that's the america we have got to fight, and all of us together, have got to say no to racism and bigotry of all forms. by the way, thank you so much for being in our country for practicing medicine and for helping your fellow human beings. [ cheers and applause ] >> senator, i want to bring aden. she has a question about the two-party system. she's a high school student. is this your first time voting? >> yes, it will. >> there you go. another first time voter. >> seeing as it's nearly impossible for a third party candidate to be elected, and the fact you had to switch from independent to democratic to be considered as a legitimate candidate, since reformation of
our party system has never been addressed by a presidential candidate, how could you suggest to reform our system and allow for other parties and ideas to be represented? >> i probably know more about that issue than any other human being in the united states of america. [ applause ] when i became mayor of the city of burlington, i had to take on democrats and republicans and so forth. your point is well taken. i chose to run, proudly in the democratic primary caucus. i look forward to winning that process. as a nation, i think we flourish when there's different ideas out there. when there's more differences of opinions. if you go to europe there's many, many political parties. sometimes the two-party system makes it very, very difficult to get on the ballot if you're a
third party. i think that's wrong. i think we should welcome competition, welcome different ideas and i think the two parties should be open to making sure that people have a fair shake in they want to run on another party. >> i want to show you, she really worked on this. she wrote it on a piece of paper. i was very impressed. >> let me just answer if it might. as a nation when we talk about the political process. nobody in this room, no matter who you're supporting should be proud that we have one of the lowest voter turn outs of any major nation on earth. nobody should be proud that we have republican governors and legislatures who are working overtime trying to suppress the vote. we want to make it easier for people to vote not harder for people to vote, which is what many republican governors are doing. [ applause ]
>> thank you, senator. >> to piggyback off that question and by the way, a millennial using pen and paper is unusual. you've talked of the need for a political revolution. when some latinos hear those words, they think venezuela, cuba, chavez and castro. talk to the people who escape those regimes and hear you use those words and wonder what you have in mind. >> when i talk about democratic socialism, you know what i'm talking about, social security. one of the most popular and important programs in this country developed by fdr to give dignity and security to seniors.
it's been enormously successful in reducing poverty among seniors. when i talk about democratic socialism, i'm talking about medicare, a single payer health care system for the elderly. in my view, we should expand that concept to all people. i believe that everybody in this country should be entitled to health care as a right, and the most effective way to do it is for a medicare for all single payer program. when i talk about democratic socialism, i'm not looking at venezuela. i'm not looking at cuba. i'm looking at countries like denmark and sweden. you know what goes on in those countries? all the kids who have the ability and desire go to college. you know how much it costs? they are free. they have child care systems that are outstanding. they have public educational systems that are strong. the retirement benefits for elderl much better than in the united states. what i mean is moving away from
where we are right now. as me break the bad news to all of you. we have a congress right now which is dominated by wall street and big money interests. the members of congress are not worried about the people making nine bucks an hour, they're not worried about the kids who can't afford to go to college, they're not worried about people who have no health insurance. their worry is getting campaign contributions from very wealthy people and providing tax breaks for those who don't need it. so in one sense we're not talking about cuba. we are talking about the concept which i don't think is a radical idea of having a government which works to represent the needs of the middle class and working families rather than just the top 1%. >> senator, thank you.
i want to introduce you to this woman who speaks english and spanish. she's more comfortable in spanish so she'll ask it in that language and i'll interpret it for you [ speaking spanish ] >> you have expressed support for affordable child care, but have talked little about how quality care is dependent on a strong workforce. what do you plan to do to strengthen the child care workforce with the wages they need to stay in the field and provide affordable care for families. >> wonderful. very important question which is
very rarely discussed. every psychologist who studies the issue understands and has told us that the most important years of human development emotionally is zero through four. in this country today we have millions of working families, mom goes to work, dad goes to work, they don't make a whole lot of money, they are desperately searching for quality, affordable child care and all over this country, including my own state of vermont, it is hard to find. so to answer your question is when we look at the instructors who work with the little ones, they're work is as important or more important than college professors. we have got to rethink how we deal and treat the youngest and
most vulnerable among us. the idea today, and i have talked to these workers, we have child care workers who are make $8, $9 an hour, who have no health insurance who are not making a career of the important work they are doing. what other countries are doing and what we must do is take care of the littlest ones is one of our major priorities. to do that we need a well-trained, well-educated and well-paid workforce. this means changing our national priorities. my republican colleagues want to give hundreds of billions of dollars in tax breaks to the top .2 of 1%. not me. i'm going to tax the wealthiest people and we're going to use some of to money to provide quality child care to working families and make sure those who work with the little kids are well paid and well trained.
>> thank you. before i get to the next question, i wanted to follow up on something you were talking about, the single payer health care. a common complaint in those european systems has to do with wait times for treatment, wait times for seeing specialists. how do you propose in your medicare for all system to not have americans have to deal with rationing care. it's a common critique in canada and the u.k. in particular. >> the insurance companies and the drug companies and their mouth pieces, they go around telling us how terrible health care is all over the world. all these terrible waiting lines, and yet when they do international studies and they ask people how they think and how they feel about the health care system, the united states is often down below many of these countries on much higher levels.
we are the only country in the industrialized world that doesn't guarantee health care to all people. i've been criticized for saying it and let me say it again. i believe health care is a right of all people. i will fight for medicare for all single payer system. you want to talk about rationing, you have 29 million people in this country that have no health insurance. how's that for rationing. they can't go to the doctor. you have more who are underinsured with high deductibles and high co payments. i have talked to doctors who have told me that people walk in the door extremely sick and the doctors say why didn't you come six months ago when you first felt your symptoms and people said i had no health insurance or i had a high deductible. some of those people die or they end up in the hospital. you want to talk about rationing, that's rationing. we spend almost three times more
per person than the people in the u.k., 50% more than the people in france. we can have a world class health care system without waiting lines spending the same amount of money we're spending right now. >> with all due respect, the va -- >> i'm sorry. >> the va which is a system that is designed to essentially be universal health care for veterans had wait times and a rationing. how do you guarantee your plan isn't going to experience the same problem? >> i just indicated to you if there are systems where you needed a knee replacement for something like that, you might have to wait for that, but when you're sick you go into the doctor when you need to go. my point is, chuck, there's massive rationing in america. it is rationing based on money.
if you don't have money and you don't have insurance and you don't -- you have a high deductible and you don't go to the doctor when you should, one out of five americans today cannot afford the prescription drugs their doctors write. what do you define that as? other countries around the world make sure the people have the medicine they need. one out of five people can't afford those prescriptions, i call that rationing. we can do a lot better than we're currently doing. >> thank you, senator. i want to introduce you to mr. anderson. talk about an issue that's pretty important to a lot of people out west, land issue. >> i'm honored to be here and present this question to you, but under obama there has been areas here that have been designated as national mon meants and we're trying to get gold butte designated too.
there's a lot of issues that have come up heerp and what i want to ask is that there are those who oppose the american people's ownership of publicen lands and would see those lands sold to private interests. how would you ensure our public lands remain in public hands by stopping corporations from destroying mother earth? >> absolutely. i don't have to explain to you or i hope anybody in this room or anybody watching the outrageous way and unfair way that governments have treated native americans from day one. it is a disgrace. number two, i will -- you're raising issues in terms of extraction of fossil fuels for example. i believe that climate change is one of the great challenges facing this planet and what i
have introduced legislation to do, by the way, is to say that we will not extract fossil fuels in the future from any public lands. number three, i understand that it is absolutely important that the federal government do much more than it is now doing to work with the native american community in preserving their heritage and their way of life. and i will do everything i can to bring that about. thank you. >> thank you, senator. senator, say hello to alex turner. >> hello, sir. >> i got this alex. >> the u.s. visa program are currently in the spotlight as a possible homeland security risk and before that it there was a concern it was being used to traffic young woman. what are you going to do to make sure it's not used to attack immigrants or vulnerable americans. >> human trafficking, taking