tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC February 19, 2016 5:00pm-6:01pm PST
big crowds, big names and the voice of god. >> together a stronger country. >> tonight the democratic fight for nevada closes with a furry. >> his opponent jumped all over me last night. >> bill clinton has been on the campaign trail making nasty comments about me. >> are you for invadining iraq? >> yeah, i guess so. >> he stays on offense even as his numbers begin to slip. >> i think you ought to boycott apple. >> can trump hold on? can the cruz versus rubio immigration fight get any nastier and can third place once again be the new first place in south carolina? >> marco rubio, will you raise your hand. >> when "all in" starts right now. good evening from las vegas,
nevada. i'm chris hayes. in less than 24 hours democrats will head to caucuses and decide whether bernie sanders or hillary clinton will emerge victorious in a contest that appears to be far closer than most observers expected. poll ing in the nevada caucuses are difficult. a poll released this week found the two candidates tied. a big difference from the way things looked in october when they found clinton had a 16-point lead. both candidates along with bill clinton have been making their final pushes here today. >> been a lot of passion in this primary, and it's fine with me. hillary's opponent jumped all over me last night. talked about how bad i've been for african-americans and poor people. well, let me just say this. that campaign has been
remarkably fact free. a lot of numbers don't add up. >> he was referring to comments sanders made at last night's msnbc-telemundo town hall. he said clinton did a pretty good job as president but criticized him. at the town hall sanders hit back at clinton's criticism that he is essentially a single issue candidate. >> i'm not quite sure where she comes up with this single issue inside. do i believe it has to be a major focus on economy when the middle class is disappearing and people are working longer hours for low wages and almost all income going to the top 1%. yeah, i'm going focus on that. >> clinton appearing after sanders in the same town hall cast herself as the greater champion of immigration reform and said if she's elected
president, it will be a top priority. >> do you promise to deal with immigration reform within first 100 days? >> absolutely. we're going to introduce legislation. i'm going to call everybody on the committee. >> within the 100 days. >> yeah, i'm going to introduce my priority legislation. this is at the top of that list. >> nevada looks very different in if first two voting states both of which are overwhelmingly white. last night clinton posed for picture with britney spears who was in the midst of a two year plus residency at caesars. i'm here at the new york new york hotel and casino smack in the middle of the vegas strip. it feels like home.
you guys it looks like it's close in nevada. your campaign's understanding of the difference of your successes here and the inability to move things in south carolina. >> if we have a good day tomorrow, that could affect south carolina. we're at the beginning of this process. tomorrow we can prove something very important that bernie sanders can win votes from a diverse electorate. i think if we do that people will understand he can build a coalition. >> one of the things last night was immigration. there's a lot of stuff about immigration. i want to read you a quote bernie sanders appearing on lou dobbs back in 2007. here he is giving part of his explanation for voting against that, opposing the legislation. he said if poverty is increasing, wages are going down, i don't know why we need millions of people to be coming to the country's guest workers
than american workers and drive wages down even lower. that's not the rationale he gives now. now he talks about lulac. is this change in tone and emphasis for him? >> no. he gave a speech on the floor of the congress at the time of that vote. he said in the speech on the floor, at the time, he cited the southern poverty law institute study that said that bill would be akin to slavery. there's a quote here. there's a quote there. he was very concerned about the impact of that. it was supported by lulac at the time. the executive director of lulac came out and said the clinton campaign attacks on bernie against this are unfair and unfounded. >> there's a bit of controversy that one of the surrogates said, bernie sanders was about whether people should vote for -- >> we don't have to say the word. >> here's what i want. here's what i want you to respond to. bernie sanders says, i think
mike's point is you shouldn't vote for someone based on their gender. why not? why shouldn't you vote for someone because she's a woman? we've never had a woman president and that's a big and important thing. >> it is a big thing. what's important is you vote for someone on the basis of their ideas, proposals, qualifications, their ability to serve in office. >> you would stipulation there's a difference between saying i'm going to vote for this candidate because he's a man and i'm going to vote for this candidate because she's a woman. >> no. i would say voting for someone because of their gender isn't as important as voting for their ideas and capacity to serve. >> there is a difference. there is a difference in what it would mean politically. what someone's feeling about voting for the first woman president is than saying i only vote for men which we would reject. >> or women. why wouldn't that make sense? i only vote for women. >> you think those are on the same planes?
>> i think it's very important we have diversity in our reputatiorep representation. it's great that women are getting in. democrats have two choices. you have bernie. you have hillary. you should vote for the person that can move this country forward faster. we need someone to take on a rigged economy and someone who understands it's held in place by a corrupt system of campaign finance. that's his message. it's hitting home here in nevada and everywhere. >> hillary clinton has this line that she brought out that's a deep question about the theory of the world that bernie sanders has, which is a have coherent theory. she said you can break up the big banks tomorrow and that won't end racism. all the enemies of progress aren't simply the concentration of wealth. there's other enemies of progress that are, to be found all over the political end. >> she couldn't be more right. of course, there are.
that's why bernie sanders wants to take on a lot of issues. this idea he's a one issue candidate, i found preposterous. yes, it's true, he has one message. maybe she's confusing that with having one issue. he's got a lot of issues that he cares about. >> all right. tad, great to have you here. >> thank you. >> joining me, i have jess mcintosh. there's a certain line of thinks that goes the following way. >> okay. >> part of hillary clinton's pitch is she's electable, more electable than bernie sanders. i think that's a pitch they make. >> yeah, i'm happy to make it myself. >> if she loses new hampshire, barely eeks out iowa and nevada.
that starts to go into that argument. sfw >> it's going to be a close primary and a long fight. she's won one. he's won one. we're in a tight race tomorrow. i believe the rest of the states will break more in her favor than bernies because of nights like last night. i think we saw a candidate who understands the way gender and race intersect with the economy in a way that will let her break down barriers for all americans. i think we see bernie's campaign, you saw his advisor reject the idea that it would matter in any way to be able to speak to those communities in a way she can. i find that -- >> in his defense, since he's no longer here to defend himself. i think what they say is not that it doesn't matter. their point is they have a message that's about this specific thing. >> sure. he seems to think breaking up
the big banks is the number one and only thing you can do. when it comes to things like immigration, he says we're going to give it a shot but can only do it with congressional support. i think people see the duality in that message and wonder why one is so primary above the needs of others. >> the point is the bernie sanders political revolution can't happen with a republican congress, which is true. let me stipulate that a fact. bernie sanders wants free tuition and hillary clinton wants debt free tuition. good luck getting the republican house to do either. >> when you utterly reject anybody who isn't of your ideology then there's no chance of finding consensus. hillary has been able to build consensus has secretary of state. she's been able to do it.
>> this idea, republicans hate hillary clinton. let me make something clear. individual republicans who have worked with her like her. that is true. people rave about their personal interactions but republicans as a whole, the idea that a hillary clinton administration would not face unbelievable obstruction -- >> any democratic administration would face obstruction. look at what's happening now. if you don't have outside parties say thanksgiviing this . she does. >> she said she will release them when other dos. they have this tweet, the count down clock of how long she's been looking into it. >> we have to stop asking her to live to a higher standard than
anyone else especially on the other side. she's been more thoroughly vetted than any other candidate running. at some point we need to talk about the agenda and the plans. i'm not hearing voters clamoring for transcripts of speeches. i think if that were happening, that would change things. >> that's the question. if it will change. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> joining me now host of the ralston live which airs on pbs nevada. you and i were at the town hall last night. what's your understanding of why this state is particularly given the fact that hillary clinton did a really ramp here in 2008. >> she shouldn't be in here trouble here at all. she was here six months before sanders campaign woke up and found nevada on a map at the end of last year. she locked up the best talent and got the endorsements.
then the sanders momentum started. he started to raise money, hired people and opened offices. he almost beat her in iowa and the momentum in new hampshire after the crushing loss, the clinton folks started seeing their polls hemorrhage. now you see all the energy going towards sanders. the question remains can the clinton campaign with all the infrastructure and last minute visits by high profile surrogates, can they hold that off. >> they endorse barack obama, i think surprisingly. they put enormous resources into the workers they have organized here. they came up short. they've stated neutral this time around. what do you make of that? >> you know it's really interesting too. they stayed out of this saying
there's contract negotiations and they have actually been involved inside the casinos in the past. in 2008 there were those casino caucuses. the question is whether or not the culinary union will urge their members to vote this time in the caucuses. harry reid took the unusual step of calling the yunion leadershi to say you got to get your folks. i think there may be some bad blood left over. the clintons went into the casinos in 2008 to try to divide and conquer inside the rank and file. the same thing that bernie sanders is doing this time. there's an assumption that the culinary union leans toward clinton. >> you just mentioned harry reid. i'll be at his caucus location. tomorrow.
he has a tremendous amount invested. it was under his stewardship that it's been moved up in the calendar. this has become a kind of focal point for him and the party in terms of reflecting the diversity of obama coalition. i get the sense that the same political traditions have not rooted themselves here that you see in some of the other early states. is that fair? >> i think that's right. that's why i keep calling us the rodney dangerfield of caucuses. we're not seen as the same way as iowa and new hampshire. we're too far away. today we're considered remote. nevada is a quirky state. there's legalized gaming where you are. there's legalized prostitution in the rule counties. harry reid wanted to bring credibility to nevada, but he also thought it was good for the democratic party to have a more diverse state on the early state calendar. that's why he's pushed so hard.
i think he's worried. this is his last year in office. he wants to leave a legacy to make sure we continue to be an early state, which is why he doesn't want problems tomorrow and why he's asking the culinary to get involved, which is why they are very concerned about something happening at the caucuses that would cause the results to be called into question as they were in iowa. he's got a lot at stake. he's the democratic party in nevada. >> thank you as always. still to come, trump's lead in south carolina narrows to single digits. what this means for his campaign. ted cruz puts out an ad taking aim at marco rubio. tomorrow could be make or break for some campaigns. we'll look at what's at stake. (dog) mmm, beneful healthy weight is so good...
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the latest poll trump is down eight points from january from what had been a 16-point lead over ted cruz is now down to five points. the augusta chronicle poll has trump down nine points from over a week ago while it shows rubio with a nine-point increase in support. this could just be natural tightening or could have something to do with trump's debate performance last week when he launched a full on attack against the bush administration, something he is starting to walk back. >> are you still saying the bush administration lied to get us into iraq? >> i'm in the saying anything one way or the other. >> this is what some voters are seizing on whether or not you accused the bush administration of lying? >> i think you're seizing on it. i don't think they are seizing on it. >> the voter asked you about it last night. >> i don't think the voters are seizing on it. he could have lied. maybe he did or maybe he didn't. i guess you'd have to ask him.
>> jack, let me start with you. what is your read on what is a pretty unambiguous move in the polling across a number of polls of a significant trump decline in this last week. >> we'll see how significant the decline is tomorrow. it's amazing when you think about in state like my home state of south carolina, a deep red state, that the republican front-runner who has been up for so long, can say those things about the bush administration, can say those things about the iraq war, which was the defining identity for conservatives for much of the last decade, yet he's still a front-runner. will it hurt him enough? i don't know. i dare say it doesn't hurt him as some of the polls reflect. i dare say much of the conservative base that's split between him and cruz aren't
bothered by the fact he had the criticisms of the bush administration at this point. >> that's really interesting perspective. sabrina, you've been covering the campaign there. there's a lot of talk, you're seeing people already starting to jockey, particular people who are rubio backers and they are legion, to get jeb bush out if he finishes anything less than third. this is a politico quoting of jeb bush donor if he finishes significantly behind rubio, i think a lot of people who are close to him will say don't stay in until the money runs out. don't think about being a spoiler. we're thinking about legacy now. what do you think about that? >> what we saw is jeb bush got another lease on life in new hampshire when he was able to finish ahead of marco rubio who suffered in fifth coming after a disappointing debate performance. people are willing to give jeb
bush another look when he came into south carolina to see how he would perform here. what we have seen is marco rubio has not been impacted on his performance in new hampshire. he's competing in a comfortable third if not inching up on ted cruz in second place. if marco rubio is able to finish ahead of jeb bush, he gets to make the argument he's been trying to make that the time has come for the establishment to rally around my candidacy that i'm the only shot you have if you want to stop donald trump and ted cruz from running away with the race. >> some confederate flag politicking. a robocall hitting donald trump for disrespecting the confederate flag.
this is something you have spoken out about. ha what's your response to that? >> it's smeared this campaign long before we got to south carolina. we've seen that with a lot of these campaigns. trump was talking about mexicans as rapists. we have seen candidates like trump and marco rubio saying they would shut down mosques where muslims gather. it's not a good representation of the republican party if we're going to be forward thinking and something all americans can embrace. i don't know that trump is the answer to that. i would dispute the fact that marco rubio because he's younger and hispanic that he doesn't play those dirty politics too. >> i want you to hang with me. what might be one of the most effective attack ads was released by the cruz campaign. we'll play it. the whistles.
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that's the latest ad for the rubio campaign. obviously, i'm sure the politics of the people who are being targeted by that ad, which are people very much opposed to comprehensive immigration reform, but if you're opposed to that that's a effective ad in terms of going after rubio who has tried to distance himself from his advocacy for that gang of eight senate comprehensive bipartisan bill. >> absolutely. when it comes to his candidacy, the greatest liability was going to be the fact
he co-authored the comprehensive immigration bill. he's long distanced himself from it. he said we have to secure the border before it will be not just citizenship but work permits for undocumented
immigrants. at the end of the day he will continue to be hit on this issue for now ted cruz who wants to squeeze him out of race between him and donald trump. both have taken the hardest line on immigration. whether or not marco can weather these attacks remains to be seen. he was still able to compete in iowa and perform better than he was expected to and in new hampshire it was not immigration that brought him down. it was his own debate performance. it still remains to be seen whether this is gaining traction in terms of preventing him from being able to breakthrough. this is the beginning. you'll see a lot more in the coming weeks. >> in an interview with cnn he said he would get rid of the president's action to protect dreamers. there's been a bidding war to the right on immigration since
trump entered. you have everyone defending the honor of donald trump against the pope about building a wall including jeb bush and marco rubio. are you surprised by how far to the right it's gone thisin this primary? >> this has been dumbest election of my lifetime. you hit on a few reasons why just right there. second of all, the last chance to bring some real sanity into this race left when rand paul dropped out. for the people who are left talking about immigration, somebody like marco rubio has lurched to the right in some bad ways. some ways that are politically necessary. he's also been a bit of a liar. he said this week his gang of eight bill that's been so controversial with conservatives, he never really meant for that to become law.
that's a problem he will have in south carolina. how much? we'll find out tomorrow. trump is at the top of the ticket with some anti-immigrant rhetoric. you have ted cruz saying some of the same things. the republican party will have to get better and put on a better face to win elections past 2016. will trump ruin it for the near future? i don't know. this saturday will be interesting. >> thank you both. i appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up, the immigration battle between the democratic candidates. that fight, that very important fight, ahead. that's the job. and
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fast as we can. >> i was the first person to call out donald trump. i said enough of this prejudice and paranoia and the kind of language that he uses. i will do everything i cannot only for the young people who deserve the highest protection but for their families as well. >> immigration was at the fore front in last night's msnbc town hall. bernie sanders and hillary clinton working to make their cases with immigrants and first generation americans. you've been critical of bernie sanders record on immigration in the past. i want to ask you about an area where i think you side with bernie sanders. that is on the fate of many of the women and children who have come here from central america. the administration had deported some of them. there's some documentation suggest some of them have been
killed back in honduras. hillary clinton said i trust that process. bernie sanders called for temporary status to be granted to all of them. where are you on that? >> i'm here with congresswoman zoloftman. she and i went down to san antonio to visit the centers and called upon the administration to end the deportation. i'm for ending the deportations until we can guarantee that everyone gets their day in court. i know they will come and tell you, they did get their day in court. they didn't have a lawyer. they really didn't have legal counsel. when somebody's life is at risk, i think we should give the full -- >> i am right. that's the position that bernie sanders shares and not hillary clinton. >> hillary clinton has, i believe, fullest proposal. she's saying, waiting a minute. they should apply for asylum without having to go through that trip. she's saying the united nations
should get involved and we should change the way. she's called for attorneys for the children and she's called for the end of this program. she's called for the end of deportation until they have a lawyer. i think thaths the right thing to do. >> i was going through policy positions. there's not a ton of daylight as far as i can tell. is this about their current policies for you or about record and who you feel you trust in. >> it's about who i believe can win the election in november and is best suited. i don't think you can become president of the united states. as you remember the autopsy that romney and ryan said we ahead a fundamental mistake. every political analyst, anybody who knows something about
politics will say unless you get 45, 46, you can't reach the presidency. i don't think they will reach it the way they're going. i want to make sure i have a president of the united states that's equipped to get the job done. let me say this, 2007 was a critical year. our lion, our champion, in the gnat had a comprehensive proposal. the fact is my senator, senator durbin, senator lehy from vermont voted for closure. senator sanders said no to closure and didn't allow it. it's a real special thing that does happen. the senate is a very exclusive club. here is one of the things the club allows other people to do. we were in the majority after many years of being in the minority. we went down there and pled with senators, vote for closure. we'll make the bill better. that's the way you make immigration reform. you let the senate and the house and you go to reconcile.
unfortunately, bernie sanders, that day, voted against closure and went on lou dobbs program to tell everybody why he voted. he said i'm voting against it because there are these guess worker program that will be terrible and take away jobs from american citizens. here's what i say. what about the 11 million undocumented workers that this does effect that are being exploited. i thought we need to put this forward. >> that moment on that vote meant a lot do you in terms of how you feel? >> i think we would have moved so much. chris, it's not just about immigration. this morning i was with the human rights campaign with 50 people. that's a great organization of people. i've worked with them on the lgbt community. i look at so many organizations and so many issues. i sit there and i protect planned parenthood. when i hear that planned parenthood and the human rights
campaign fund, two legitimate great organizations in the forefront, progressive politics endorse hillary clinton and bernie sanders says they are part of the establishment. you have to be elitist to call the men and women who fight every day to protect women's right. >> joining me now i have lucy o flores. you have endorsed bernie sanders. that's a vote he has defended and said the guess worker provisions weren't up to the standards i wanted. there's a pretty strong argument on the other side that this was the best we could get at that moment. you heard the congressman say this is a crucial moment. it died that year and we have seen what happened. he's got to own that vote. >> he has. as you already acknowledged, he's explained what the problem was and i think congressman
would agree that we can't have something that treats people as second class citizens. that provision would have created almost an indentured type of swituation. it's about people will be dispiendi disappointed in that vote. even more recently said we had to use those children to send a message. we're going to use children to send a message knowing we're sending them back into the conditions. the response could have been entirely different. that's the same argument that we're now saying that others are saying about senator sanders that that response could have been different. both of their responses could be different. >> the context of that quote about send a message, pit was t try to send a message to smugglers that they couldn't make money off of this transit and if you stopped the
acceptance on one end that would work down the line to close that off. in full fairness, that's the context. >> that is the context except that what the action was sending children back to central america. >> bernie hand been around. he came to see the latinos when they had the fruit. what's your response to that? >> i think that the senator has done an incredible job in congress and hasn't been given the opportunity to introduce himself to constituencies outside of vermont. this is the first time he's been on the national stage. the fact he has so much momentum building for him. his message resonates across gender, ethnicity, across age.
i've seen that first hand on the ground here in nevada. two, three, months ago we were talking about how nevada was going to be secretary clinton's fire wall and a big part was the latino community. what do we have now? we don't have a ton of polling because it's so different. it's just been incredible to watch the momentum, the volunteer-driven activities that are happening out there. the conversations i've had with so many latinos out there, families. my own dad was so amazing. he says to me, he's very independent, late 70s, latino immigrant from mexico. i said who are you going to caucus for? he said i really like the old guy. i was like this is fantastic. >> you strike me as a talent enough politician. i would be disappointed if you couldn't convert your father. >> i also respect his opinion. >> thank you very much. great to have you here. still to come this weekend
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joining me now is political director of the local union 226 which has declined to endorse a candidate. let me talk to you first. what is your read on the politics here in terms of going into tomorrow? you're someone pretty connected here politically. you have a big and very important powerful membership. is your read on this pretty even as well? >> i think it's going to have a very close race. i think whatever happens tomorrow won't be a surprise in that both candidates expect it to be close and it will say a lot about the state of the race to see what happens here.
>> you got this job when you were 23 and you're -- >> 28. >> you're like a bit of a political savant. do you see bernie sanders with path of the nomination? >> it's asking me to think about my pay grade. i think he's carved out a path to win tomorrow. i think he's made enough end roads and capitalized on a ground swell of support before he declared his candidacy. >> you saw that? >> yeah. we help host two different town halls. first one is what would traditional supporters, older, white, progressive. at the second there was younger people who made homemade t-shirts. that was a month before he declared for the residency. that kind of a grass roots movement was in place long
before the dam pain got started which was just in october. >> you've been mostly covering the republicans. i want to talk about south carolina tomorrow. rubio, i find it sort of the like rubio industrial complex fascinating and hilarious. there's all these people trying to push marco rubio over the finish line. >> very horizontal. >> republicans think he's the best candidate, which i understand why he would think that. they had this three, two, one thing. third in iowa, second in new hampshire and one. at a certain point he's got to win state. >> the theory that everyone has is one you get it down trump plus them and that's it, then he will beat him p. they are thrilled by this wall street journal poll that showed if it's rubio versus trump, once it gets to the march states then they beat them.
for them, i don't think it's pure spin. they've been watsing for a lot of that money to come over. a lot of the times when you spin a third place, it's b.s., not this time. it would move money. >> the problem is ted cruz. it waves away the ted cruz problem. where it's you and donald trump, maybe you beat donald trump, but you have this other guy who is not going anywhere. >> i think the theory with him is maybe he'll do really well march first but rubio will have an organization plus whatever jeb sheds in the later states. the idea that you can't win once 4% of the delegates decided is a little frivolous. i first got impressed not by that much height but when i started climbing around to alaska and no unelse was organized and they were. i do think they have a strategy
but they also have a lot of people leaning on the scale for them. >> what is the state of the republican party that you guys had this crazy thing happen. this was one of the great stories of '58? mitt romney won here and he won in the republican caucuses. then the ron paul people infiltra infiltrated. they took over the entire apparatus and gave him the delegates. >> i think they have been trying to fix itself. unfortunately, they are their own worst enemy. the state of the party is? similar disarray than in 2012. really tried to become a viable entity to carry all the way to the republican party in the state. i think the republican race here is fairly unpredictable considering -- >> we know nothing. >> we know nothing. >> trump was the most recent polling way, way up. he is the only candidate with his name on a big 50-story
building. >> where we won an election? >> tell me the back story. >> workers came two years ago and there's about 550 workers that voted on december 4th and 5th and with 53% of the vote won a union election. >> fascinating. there you go. thank you for joining us. that is "all in" for this evening. the rachel maddow show starts now. good evening. thank you. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. a lot to talk about tonight. there's a lot of news to get to about the choosing of the next president of the united states, for example. the contests toward that end that will be taking place tomorrow both in nevada on the democratic side and in south carolina on the republican side. there's tons of news to get to on that subject tonight. before we do that, just bear with me a second. how about a little palette cleanser. you had wall to basic presidential races.
here's a tiny bit of news for perspective that's not on the subject of choosing the next president of the united states, at least it's not directly on that subject. this is the town seal, the official town seal of crystal city, texas. that's their official town seal. bulging forearms. just the one good eye, a can of spinach at the ready for strength. popeye is their town seal. that's because crystal city, texas would like you to think of them as the spin amp capital of the world. that said, what crystal city, texas is more known for is the amazing spectacle there earlier this month of the fbi swooping in and basically arresting the entire city government all at once. crystal city, texas has a city council of five people. four of the five were arrested. mayor arrested, mayor pro