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itself. in other words, two bad words for capitalism, wall street. that's hardball for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight. >> i love to win. don't we love to win? >> as donald trump's domination continues, are republicans kidding themselves to think they have chance of stopping him? >> i'm a conservative that will win this election. we have to win. >> tonight the state of race on the eve of the big nevada caucus. while sheldon adelson is staying under the radar. the telling truth about when the lights went out in georgia. >> because the lights won't work, i won't pay the rent. do democrats face a problem getting out to vote. jeb, we hardly knew you. a look back at what happened to jeb bush.
>> please clap. >> "all in" starts right now. good evening from las vegas, nevada. i'm chris hayes. we're 24 hours from the fourth con zest in the republican nominating fight, the nevada gop caucuses which will kick off here in nevada and all around the states. a win he credited to his broad appeal among gop voters. >> we won with everything. i love the women. we won with women. we won with men. meh. i'd rather win with women to be honest, but that's all. we won with evangelicals, like unbelievable. we won with the military. we won with everything.
we won with highly educate, pretty well educated and poorly educated, but we won with everything. tall people, short people, fat people, skinny people. just won. >> now a south carolina exit poll shows trump lost among republicans with a post-graduate education and we don't have breakdowns based on height or weight. other than that what trump said is pretty much true. he took all 50 delegates in the state leaving every one of his rivals with a big goose egg. last place finisher ben carson not noted received as many delegates as all others, which would be zero. he still needs more than a thousands delegates to secure the nomination. you have to conclude history is on his side. trump has won south carolina and new hampshire and no republican dating back to 1980 has won those two early states and failed to win the nomination.
trump continues to lead by double digits in national polling. he appears to be poised to win many of the super tuesday states eight days from now. here in nevada the latest polling shows trump with massive lead over his nearest rival who is seem to be battling for second place. donald trump looks like the heavy, heavy favorite to win the gop nomination. that's left trump's two closest competitors desperate to make the case it's not too late to turn the tide. the so-called gop establishment has been rallying around rubio. today the rubio campaign endorsements from develop establishment figures including former governor tim pawlenty and bob doyle. >> now that my good friend jeb bush is no longer running, i'm
supporting rubio. he wants to grow the party. cruz, i don't know what he wants to grow. >> rubio made the case that nominating trump would do the gop in the general election. >> if we nominate someone that half the republican party hates, we're going to be fighting against each other till november. we will never win that way. i don't care how much you think they are funny or how interesting they sound, if we nominate someone that 40 to 50% of our party can't stand, we will lose. >> rubio is yet to win a state. when asked when he might get one, he seemed to suggest not at all. >> that's where you really need to begin to win states. i feel good where we'll be by then. >> by then, trump will have won
a bunch more states and it might be too late to stop. the anti-trump faction is not yet ready to throw up its hands. joining me now is michael steele, in your capacity has head of the rnc, as you look over the nominating process and the contours of the calendar, this idea that the rubio people are pushing, which is we're going to lose and we're going to lose some more and after that we'll do a little more losing and we'll start winning. i know i sound mocking about it because i do find this spin from the camp a little, you have to take it with grain of salt. is there something to this idea that they can wait for the field
to winnow and start a bunch of victories and start getting california and stuff like that? >> i guess in fairy tale in politics somewhere you can do that. in real life, no. think about it this way, donald trump is leading in ten, probably 11 out of the 14 states that will take -- that will be playing super tuesday in that week. at the end of that period, 50%, by the 15th of march, 50% of the delegates will have been selected. donald trump could be sitting somewhere close to 700, 800 delegates at that point. i don't understand how you think that you're going to make up that kind of a gap if you're going to start winning once you get into the end of march, beginning of april. what makes anyone think that donald trump is going to lose any states after that. it doesn't make any sense.
he's right now beating marco rubio in florida. hello? i don't understand what people are looking at within the establishment that makes them think that donald trump is just going to give up the ghost come the 15th of march. >> the case that they are making, and it's not one that i buy, but here is the case. a, cruz underperformed in south carolina. he is getting squeezed. his lane is diminishing. maybe he doesn't last that long. two, that trump is someone with a high florida low ceiling, which is to say his supporters are bedrock with him but a small percentage relative to the gop and people that are not with him aren't going to come to him. you see in some of the exit polling about late deciders, this idea the party is one-third trump, two-thirds non-trump. >> those late deciders are a small percentage of the foot. there's a lot of folks coming out early and backing him. donald trump is bringing any
voters to the table. he's bridging voters who have been disenfranchised and out of game for cycles. you've that to offset the late deciders who float toward some other candidate. second point, where do we get this math that makes us believe that donald trump is not somebody else's second choice in the field of remaining candidates. they're not -- marco rubio or cruz or anyone else is not going to get all those votes if carson or kasich drops out. we've seen that play out. donald trump has picked up support from voters from candidates who already left the race. again, he has set this thing in motion in a way and the voters, this is the critical thing for me, the voters in our primary are setting this thing in way that they are telling us who they want right now. i do not see any indication that when you get to winner take all that donald trump doesn't win
any of those states number one, and number two that voters go, that was a nice fling. we're done. i just don't see that happening and there's no indication out there that it will. >> i was playing with an online delegate calculator where you march through after tomorrow unless the polling is wrong, trump will run up again. it's pretty easy to come up with a scenario where you get to the convention with trump just shy of what he needs. that's not a ridiculous scenario at all. somewhere in the neighborhood of 800 to 1,000 delegates, that's a real possibility, isn't it? >> it is a real possibility. it's one of the reasons why you can have this scenario with folks getting out. it may not be enough for the person who stand and go mano a
mano with him. >> all right. michael steele, thanks for your tonight. let me start with you. you've been following the rubio campaign. i've been skeptical of the rubio campaigns spin. you talk about the establishment. i think it's more abundant because of jeb bush. there's aennti-trump folks that will not go quietly. >> that's a good argument. one of the things they benefitted from is not marco rubio was able to bounce back from new hampshire and that
proved not to be a fatal blow but ted cruz underwhelmed over there. they feel confident that ted cruz is in a position of, not claw his way back but he's the one struggling at this point in time. >> they were separated. >> right. >> the issue is, the reason i bring that up is say marco rubio's campaign succeeds in squeezing ted cruz out. a lot of them will go to donald trump and then there's the john kasich factor. he's playing the role of spoiler now. you look at michigan and he's polling ahead of marco rubio. >> and ohio. this idea the consolidation at this point is enough to carry marco rubio into a position of winning, there isn't a notion to back that up. >> i will say this, that i think
what the rubio campaign, the reason you started to hear them talk in the run up to south carolina about going to a brokered convention, their campaign manager is talk about it, rubio is talking about it is because of the possibility, the likelihood that you could get there without trump having enough delegates to clench the nomination and once you get inside the hall, all bets are off. if you go through the ballot and the delegates are released, it's not about the voters anymore. it's about the bathroom deals and whatever you can kind of cobble together. the rubio campaign is not ready to say this quite this way but they are hoping they can prevent trump from clenching the nomination. >> i think that's a much better way to understand how this is carrying this out. rubio's path to getting the 1100 delegates he needs, it's hard.
that seems more plausible. >> it seemed more plausible in terms of the argument they are making. all evidence points to the fact that donald trump is running with the nomination. this would be citing a historical pr historical precedent. now you're capping off three consecutive overwhelming victories in three out of four of the early voting states. donald trump is leading in florida. marco cannot afford to lose his home state. the same way ted cruz can't afford to lose texas. that will be harder to make the case he can remain in the race and be a competitor to donald trump. >> we have nevada tomorrow night and polling showing up there. texas is interesting because it comes to where ted cruz is in this race now and today he had this thing where he fired his campaign spokesperson who tweeted a link to a video of marco rubio with raphael cruz.
this is the video. rubio says something to a cruz staffer about the bible on his desk that said there's no good answers in there. the staffer is like i hate the bible. he clearly didn't say that. the subtitles are wrong. >> all the answers are there. >> he's not an idiot. he's running for president who will just, yeah, i hate that. >> the book of mormon there. that would have been interesting. he was once a member of the mormon church. his campaign is aggressively targeting mormon voters here. romney behind the scenes. there was a lot of talk of him endorsing rubio. romney behind the scenes is directing donors and other people. >> here's one thing that i find funny. we're at this point where we
have seen right to rise crash and burn. that's the jeb bush super pac. i love this idea of great news. all that money that was lit on fire is now been freed up for marco rubio to light on fire. i mean obviously the days being made there is that the problem with the money with the candidate. there's also the case to be made it was ineffectual. it doesn't make a difference in the primary but in the general. >> we get to the point where this will be waged more so in the media markets than before. marco is a lot stronger. a lot of criticism is they weren't using the money the promote jeb bush but torture marco rubio. >> one of the reasons he's saying march 15th is when we start doing well is because they need time to hurry up and get
all the establishment cash to come to him and his super pac. it's very unclear whether that will happen before super tuesday. >> you can just feel, i've seen this for a while. you've seen it when politico does the polls. the desire to get marco this nomination is so powerful and not incorrectly in the sense they think he's the most electable. my theory is part of the reason the electabilities argument doesn't sell is because in the conservative bubble hillary clinton is seen is so despised they don't recognize she's a formidable candidate. >> you can tell there's so many conservatives and republicans who think she's going to be indicted at some point before the election. that very farfetched possibility is actually seen as like a 50/50 chance among a lot of republicans. >> that ends up hurting rubio.
if the whole argument is you need someone who can win -- >> if you think he's going to crash and burn let's put trump up. >> in the eyes of the voters they are inclined to say is you're the most formidable opponent, why aren't you winning? th >> they are reaping the rewards of hillary clinton. still to come, $130 million lesson of failed presidential campaign. what we have learned. why are few democrats shows up to vote this election. this bizarre moment that happened at donald trump's rally in atlanta. >> let's go, ready. turn off the lights. turn off the lights. turn off the lights. turn them off.
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he's former florida governor, jeb bush. >> give it up for jess mcintosh. there's a strong consensus you got the bush network. you got the bush last name, which is the bush last night. you have a lot of people thinking this is a consensus front-runner. >> i'm looking forward to saying i'm taking my identity. >> just a mere 389 days ago when our 2016 fantasy drafter show
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i really respect their decision. tonight, i'm suspended my campaign. yeah, yeah. >> we love you jeb. >> somewhat stunned crowd listened to jeb bush end a campaign that began with shock and awe. that was the description of the initial fund raising efforts by the bush campaign. in the end bush and right to
rise spent nearly 130 million to get exactly four delegates. not surprisingly the recriminations have begun. bush supporter designate richard taking aim at the man who ran the super pac. i was told mike murphy was a political magician and now i believe it. he took the most transformational, courageous conservative governor and made him look like a moderate. the question is where does that money go? a certain plan on a skotscooter las vegas, when does he get off. man who can answer all those questions better than anyone i know. he wrote how jeb bush spent $130 million running for president with nothing to show for it. you tweeted out, i love this list you tweeted out of all the clubs, yacht clubs and private
clubs that they stroked donors at. what is your understanding? how do you understand this debacle? >> we have not seen a more candidate mismatched. a smart guy, experienced but not well matched for this election. i don't think anyone ever claimed that money is the only thing in politics. it's just very important. who is left in the gop? a billionaire himself, marco rubio, the other favorite of the donor cl donor class and ted cruz who has rallied and cultivate a new class of socially conservative big donor who is are not as active. these guys all have money. >> i think that's a good point. this is candidates and super
pacs combined. you have ted cruz and marco rubio and ben carson after that. the other thing i would say is if you look at policy, say things like tax breaks for the top, marco rubio wants to get rid of capital gains. even donald trump has huge tax break at the top. it's not like the donor class is out of luck. >> i would say if you're a bit worried about citizens united is it would bring lots and lots of money into politics and the person who get the most would win all the time, that hasn't happened. if your concern is the elected class in the country has to spend almost all their time m
marinating in the prejudices and desires of other wealthy people that's bad for policy and democracy. i think that's probably a concern. >> in some ways, what the donald trump phenomenon has shown to the extent that creates this mass oceans of social distance between the actual voters and donor class, trump has exploited that quite effectively and exploiting how far the donor class is from the actual voters who should be deciding things. >> donald trump is a riddle who is running as a populist of c conservatives who are angry. he has exposed a class divide in his own party. he said it's possible to run for president and say immigration is bad for the country as a republican and win on that.
it's also possible to say red e reducing the capital gains tax rate to zero is not the be all, end all. a lot of republican voters say i actually have other concerns. i actually like entitlement spending if it goes to people like me. i like social security and i'm really against immigration which the party keeps telling me is good for us. there's a huge opening for donald trump to exploit and he's seized it. >> what do you think the conversations are in the donor class? will there be different ways to avoid getting burned again? >> i think we have seen them try a couple of things. we talk about how they set up the super pacs. they hold the pursestrings and decide how the money can get
spent. they have gone through the revolution. they have boards of directors to oversee the spending. some will go to rubio. some will go to kasich. we'll see if the money is any match against donald trump's mass free media. >> seems fitting as i sitz here in las vegas to talk about fools and their money. thanks for your time. coming up, the enthusiasm gap. why republicans are seeing record breaking turn out as more democrats stay home. what that means for november, ahead. ♪
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the voter turn out was not as high as i wanted. what i've said over and over again, we'll do well when young people, when working class people come out. we do not do well when the voter turn out is not large. we did not do as i wanted to bring a large voter turn out. >> he's argued his success is dep dependent on large voter turn out. voter turn out represented 33% drop from 2008. in fact, in first three democratic contests of 2016, voter turn out is down. in iowa the democratic turn out is 30% drop. in new hampshire, turn out fell 13%. republican turn out is upsetting records in iowa and new
hampshire. as the washington examiner points out 1.2 million people voted in republican primaries and caucuses so far. that's up 24% from 2012. these contrasting trends in voter turn out between democrats and republicans should not concern bernie sanders but could be a warning to the entire democratic party. are democrats suffering from enthusiasm gap and will that haunt them in november. joy, there's a bunch of ways you can read this data. what is your read of this so far? >> there's a couple ways to read it. one way is the shadow reelect phenomenon where democrats already have the white house. they are not motivated to take back the white house. they believe a lot of democratic voters assume hillary clinton will be the nominee, don't feel any urgency to go out and do anything about this. they may come back in the fall. the danger for bernie sanders is
in that presumption is whether he has an actual chance of being the nominee meaning there's less nomination thinking he isn't going to win any way. the people northeast motivated to make a change are a small minority of the democrat party who want to make change from obama. that's not a great place to be in if you're bernie sanders. >> there's some apples to oranges here. 2008 you had larger field. you had larger field in iowa. john edwards still in the race. an organizer i talked to about this today made the point more people campaigning means more people doing get out the vote operation. you wonder how much to the degree there's complacency m manifesting in the primary whether that carries over. >> i've had a lot of people saying there's really not a correlation between the level of enthusiasm necessary and the premare. it's not as active of primary but it's a pretty active
primary. bernie sanders is making a heck of a run at hillary clinton. >> everyone should look at the awarded delegates right now. >> exactly. >> about what the current state of the race is, the scoreboard if you take away the super delegates but the awarded de delegate s a tie. >> much of the action is taking place among the younger coherts who are energizing the bernie sanders campaign. there's not as much action going on. there's not as much as a contest between bernie sanders and hillary clinton. that's the bulk of the democratic cohert. republicans are super motivated because they see the opportunity to take the white house away from the democratics. there's a more natural motivation on their side of the aisle. >> democratic party announcing 14,000 new registrants at the
caucus. the 14,000 new rej strangistran down. you can imagine if he had dropped out or polling 40 points behind. those are 14,000 new people you registered for the general election. >> yeah. the reality is that most people at the end of it still vote for the candidate even if their candidate lose. i think democrats will come to regret this idea they had to wipe out any competition for hillary clinton and clear the field for her. without a contested primary or the excitement of a multi-person real contested race, you don't have that native not only enthusiasm and excitement but you don't have what you talked about which is the actual work of voter registration that only
campaigns can really do. i think democrats are baked in a complacency that they are now seeing reaped at the voting booth when republicans are just s shalacking them in turn out. >> they have a hard time reaching them to make them think it's contested. my brother is a organizer in this state in 2012. the organizers have been doing a phenomenal job. the limits they are reaching are much more structural. there's a lot of talent in those ranks. they're still being commitment off the top. >> one of the things alarming is i've talked to a lot of african-americans who say black voters are not engaged. there's this whole fight about
who did what in the '60s. that's not engaging them. there hasn't been enough engagement and that's not a good thing. >> we'll see if that changes in the next few weeks. thank you for joining us. >> thank you opinion. a very strange yet aptly telling moment during a trump event yesterday. you have to see it. that's next. my staff could use your help staying in touch with customers. at&t can help you stay connected. am i seeing double? no ma'am. our at&t 'buy one get one free' makes it easier for your staff to send appointment reminders to your customers... ...and share promotions on social media? you know it! now i'm seeing dollar signs. you should probably get your eyes checked. good one babe. optometry humor. right now get up to $650 in credits to help you switch to at&t. (is committed to truth on thee plabel.d when we say real meat is the first ingredient, it is number one. and we leave out corn, wheat and soy. learn more at beyondpetfood.com
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donald trump's standing in the primary has a lot to do with his strong man personality. there's a lot of his bullying that doesn't look popular. voters voted to unionize. the hotel is refusing to negotiate a contract high pressure here is donald trump's son earlier today. >> every hotel in las vegas is unionized. we're the only one. i think it's great testament to our company that we're not. people love working the building. we've had amazing success. >> to be clear, not all hotels are unionized. roughly 5% of them are including the venetian. a few hours from now donald
trump is scheduled to hold rally and his employees from his hotel will be there. they plan to set up bargaining tables where they hope to get trump to negotiate their first contract. you won the election? >> yes. >> you won the election. i want to read the trump organization says the hearing office office officers recommendations reward the severe misconduct which clearly impacted incredibly close election. response to that. >> i think what happened, not a lot of people understand how union work. the company has a lot of power to appeal. the company went through the
first level and the government said, very clearly, these charges are in no way reasonable. threw them all out and said the company should bargain. >> winning a union election without neutrality, the employer is -- >> not easy. >> it's not easy. it's almost impossible, frankly. the fact you won this election, shows there's real support for this union. >> absolutely. i think trump would take a victory in any state by 53% of the vote. >> he's refusing to negotiate? >> he's not come to the table. workers have been clear about saying we're ready to negotiate a contract. you've negotiated a contract with your workers at the trump hotel in canada. why should we have a different standard? he talks about wanting to make america great again. his workers have said start right here. >> with a contract that gives us fair wages and gives us a structure and understand what our relationship is with our
employer. >> that's right. >> and with better health care and ability to retire with dignity which is what all the employees doing the same jobs in the casinos down the strip enjoy. >> this is not something he never experienced. >> that's exactly right. he signed a contract less than a year ago with his workers at a hotel in canada. >> do you see this election as an opportunity to force the issue here. >> it goes back to your point earlier, winning this election is not easy. workers are going to do everything they can to get the full contract. they will follow him across the country until he sits down and negotiates with them for what they fought for. >> all right. it's really great plash easure have you back. still ahead, a reminder of
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the country through tumultuous events. i learned how to do it when i was governor of the state of florida. >> i know you can do it. >> i think the next president needs to be a lot quieter but send a signal that we're prep e prepared to act in the national security interest in this country to get back in the business of creating a more peaceful world. please, clap. my watch can't be talking. >> you're trying to build up you're -- it's not working. >> are you there? >> is it my watch? >> you're real tough. i'm at 42. you're 3. so far i'm doing better. >> i know when it's ringing but i've never used it. >> there you go. underutilized i watch. >> you started off over here. you're moving over further and further. pretty soon you're going to be
off the end. >> you can go back in time and kill baby hitler, would you? i need to know. >> yeah, i would. >> i'm talking now. >> you can go back. >> you interrupted me. >> september 30th. >> have you apologized? >> he had the gall to go after my mother. i won the lottery when i looked up 63 years ago. >> she should be running. >> it's not about my family or his family. >> can jeb bush be a surprise story here on caucus night? >> yes, since the expectations are so low. >> you have succeeded there, governor. mission accomplished. >> you have a guy named bush. he was a governor, very low energy. more energy tonight. i like that. >> what would you want your secret service code name to be. >> ever ready. it's very high energy, donald.
>> how many you have are democrat. >> this is real story here in new hampshire. i can promise you the best way to show respect outside of rebuilding our military to men and women in uniform is fix that mess as fast as i can. that's it. thank you. >> they're kicking me out the door. >> all right. that is "all in" for this evening. tomorrow night we'll be live back here at the new york new york casino in las vegas at 8:00 p.m. eastern and our special coverage of the nevada republican caucuses begins at 10:00 p.m. eastern. joining me now in the wonderful city of las vegas, the rachel maddow show starts now. good evening. good evening, chris. it's weird to go to new york and go to fake new york in las vegas. it's like, yeah.
it's very weird. it's very real at the same time. thank you very much. thanks to you at home for joining us in nevada where heads have started finally roll in vast republican race. today in durango hills, hundreds of people, something like 700, 800 people were gathered at a ymca for a midday campaign rally for ted cruz. we're getting down to the wire in nevada. the caucuses are tomorrow. these are the last things the candidates are going to do. these are the last day events. this is really important in terms of trying to win nevada. this is closing argument time for the various campaigns who can get their candidate here in person and on the ground. this ted cruz event today was supposed to start at noon local time. there was supposed to be a candidate press conference ahead of time. even with the incredibly tigh