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♪ from the strip in las vegas, we are back with our live coverage of the nevada caucuses. the city that really never sleeps. we've just entered the 11:00 hour on the east coast. the 8:00 hour here in las vegas. they're really just getting started. >> that's correct. >> and as they are with the tabulation of the results. this caucus result is supposed
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to come in starting an hour from now. that is unless it doesn't. unless your caucus stopped voting a half hour early. or unless you've determined that that's all the caucus goers you're going to have. >> yeah. it's a little -- again, we have to give up on our desire to have a controlled process that's easy to explain. basically what's supposed to happen is that in clark county, which is where most of the population of nevada resides, in clark county they're supposed to stop voting about a half hour from now. the rest of the state they're supposed to stop voting about an hour from now. unless you're in a caucus where you're done. >> looks like everybody. >> looks like everyone's been here in which case they can kind of kick and consider it done. it is hard to say with precision when that's going to half. it's important to keep in mind these caucuses aren't done the same way we see in other states. >> we may be tightly wound east coast types. >> we might be, right. but it is actually easier to caucus with the republicans tonight, for example, than it
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was with the democrats. >> that's right. >> same as in iowa. the democrats do this where you have to go, in talk to everybody, reach a viability threshold, get into little groups, they count everybody all at once. with the republicans they make ate little bit easier. you vote on a paper ballot and can leave. you don't have to stick around and make friends with everybody else who's making the same kind of decision as you. so it's going to be different every place. but we should probably get -- well, i should say if we're lucky we could conceivably get the first characterization of the race in an hour. but i don't want to promise anybody that we will. >> we could have a characterization as i understand it at the top of the race. the rest could be hours or days. >> that's right. and actually in the rest of the race is important. this is not a winner take all state. >> crucial. >> even if you come in way down the standings, it's conceivable that two, three, four or even five candidates tonight on the republican side could bring home some delegates. so it will matter to get down to every last vote in every last place. when we trihave those results t
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give to people at home i don't know. >> chris is at durango high school. >> reporter: so the folks here who just wanted to come in and vote, they cowl do that. those votes could be tallied. these folks who are still here, they're completing the last part of their civic duty. they've volunteered to essentially be delegates to the county convention. there's a lot more paperwork that goes with that. what you have on the democratic side those two processes, who you're picking and who the delegates are, those are consolidated into that sort of group meeting. here you've got a sort of like two-tiered system people who are casual and people who are super hard core. the hard core are still here. they're the ones who not only came in and voted but then stuck around to talk politics with their neighbors in their precinct and stuck around to volunteer and elect actual delegates to the county conventions that end up electing people out. as this room starts to clear out you see in the ballot boxes. those are going to be actually counted. what you have now is the remnants of the kind of real-life common thread happening at these different
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tables or coffee clatch in which people are basically talking politics sometimes, very collegially. sometimes in extremely heated tones about what their candidates are. and from just my very informal conversations with voters here, there is a lot of trump support. there's a lot of talk about trump's personality particularly, the fact that he's a businessman, that has been a kind of dominant theme in the conversations i've had with dozens of voters here. these are the hardest of the hard core who are going to stick around and go to that county convention. >> and as we've been saying, if you're not from here, if you don't come here you don't realize this is one of donald trump's towns. he's in the hotel business. he's in the casino business. he's in the construction business. as we pointed out tonight, his name is at the top of the strip. >> literally from where we sit you can see donald trump's name looming over the strip. do we still have chris hayes there? chris, are you still listening to the sound of my voice? >> reporter: i can hear you. >> when you say there's been some very, very heated
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conversations going on among some of those people who stuck around to do more party business and more kibbitzing after they voted? people are arguing, having disagreements with each other? >> yeah. people have been arguing about their respective candidates in fact, there's a certain kind of caucus gore who is very excited for there to be a series of speeches in the hall that didn't get that. because the way this works is, everybody comes into this big room. then you sit down. the precinct if you want to stay and get candidates speeches you could do that. a certain kind of caucasgoer is all revved up to give a speech in favor of their candidate, listening to speeches about their candidate never got that chance. it became a microversion of that, not unlike the infamous rick santorum campaign event with one person. so rather than the crowded haul it was a few people having these exchanges. but there were folks just going back and forth about ted cruz. look, there has been some bad blood. people talking about marco rubio's lying about ted cruz. ted cruz's dirty tricks against
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ben carson. all those sorts of things coming up in these sort of little pocket discussions that have been happening. >> all right. chris hayes, and yet another beautiful all-purpose room. we should point out the heat of the desert, all schools need a place where you can do all student body events. so you're going to get some nice all-purpose rooms out here. jake soberoff is in the other one. >> reporter: brian, i want to point out things are starting to wind down here at this location about 25 minutes from now they're going to be closing the doors and starting to actually tabulate the ballots. the republican party of nevada is starting to push back on some of the reports that things are chaotic. there have been no official reports of complaints that have been filed yet. they're also pushing back, saying thought is actually allowable for people to wear gear, paraphernalia, supporting their candidates here. there was certainly a lot of that. right now i look behind me. this woman just came in and was able to cast her ballot.
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again, let's remember what this process is. it's going to go into that envelope right there. you're going to see the tally written on top of that manila envelope. it will be photographed. and it will be moved up to the main location gym we met earlier the precinct site manager is. they're going to consolidate that into one sheet, send it back to the main location where the republican party is headquartered tonight. and they're hopefully tabulating those results this evening. though if the past cycles have been any indication it could take two to three days. >> jacob, thanks. i mentioned as well in new york, nicole wallace is watching and listening to all this and talking to all the folks she talks to. and nicole, i've been wondering, we had this conversation about the inevitability, the march of trump. i'm wondering what your thoughts are on that front tonight. >> well, i'm amused by all the consternation about why cruz and rubio don't go after trump. and stewart stephens is a dear
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friend of mine. we've been on campaigns together. and the reason that people like stewart and i would suggest a strategy like going after an opponent like john kerry in 2004 would be to throw them off balance, to get them to say something like oh, i was for that war before i was against it. donald trump's entire candidacy has been waged badly off balance. you would attack someone like donald trump to get him to appear intemperate. he never appears restrained. so the whole purpose of going after donald trump and others have tried it. jeb bush made attacks about him not being a conservative. it washed right over his supporters. they couldn't care less. in fact, some people found it appealing that he'd governed as a pragmatist. you might go after donald trump to get him to do something like grab a third rail, like say, i don't know, embrace a mandate when it comes to health care. he does that on his own. he does it unprompted. you might try to get under his skin like someone like meghan
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kelli does up but he sort of lives in that state of agitation. the challenge of going after him who else could he insult and to what end? i think that people are attracted to him despite all of his worts and weaknesses. and the reason cruz and rubio won't go after him, according to those campaigns, is that they don't need his voters. they don't need his supporters. they need each others. that is the i don't know if that's the ugly truth but that is the reality of the state of the republican race tonight. >> nicole, the way i hear you explain that, part of me hears the strategist in you and part of me hears just the republican in you. kind of saying that donald trump is unstoppable. when you talk about -- i mean, how is he stoppable if none of those ways of going after him are going to work? >> there's a certain arrogance in this idea he must be stopped. he's not winning in an un-democratic dictatorship. he's winning because people support him. my mom went to a very
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well-organized caucus in washo county, not the population center of the state. but she stood up for donald trump. there were actually more supporters there for rubio. but donald trump isn't surging in an un-democratic process. he's surging in a field that once had -- there were 16 stop donald trump efforts. not to mention those under way in the conservative media. so a lot of people have gone at him. and his support isn't derived from his own elegant statesmanship. his support is derived from the people that people like what he's selling. so brian keeps ribbing me about my ten-step process. maybe i'm rounding the corner on acceptance. but you know, i think there is a point where you have to look at what the voters are responding to. and they are responding to this practically unhinged candidacy of donald trump. so i think when you ask the question earlier about why cruz and rubio aren't making it the central purpose of their candidacy to go after him, i think they correctly assess his support to be pretty hardened.
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i agree with that assessment. but if they are able to sort of bring each other's supporters to their camp, that will give them an edge over him. but you ask the campaigns. how would you defy history? rubio, he's got a fifth place finish in a couple of seconds. he looks like he could have a decent night tonight. but no one is talking about cruz or rubio overtaking trump tonight. that's not in any of these campaigns best case scenarios. but their goal is to defy history, to stay alive, and to sort of pack on the other supporters. the problem with that strategy is no one looks like they're getting out. >> so for democrats watching tonight, put your other hat on. how concerned or confident should they be in your view? >> well, i think anyone that is looking at -- one of the sort of benefits of a drawn-out process is that the candidates usually get better. i think hillary clinton is better having waged this really
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rigorous campaign about economic inequality with bernie sanders. he's better for having gone up against her machine. i don't know that anyone's getting better at this for being in a race against donald trump. so that is sort of a structural concern on our side and something to look at as a democrat and feel somewhat encouraged by. now, i think the republicans are -- we're talked about this on all our late nights together -- republicans are very enthusiastic. republicans are very animated. i talked about our top three candidates really fulfilling all of the need and desires of the entire republican party. there is a traditional, pure, extremely conservative evangelical still in the race in ted cruz. there is an exciting unpredictable dangerous outsider in the race in donald trump. and there is a completely acceptable sort of mainstream conservative when you get to national security issues and you get to some of the other things facing this congress in 2016 in marco rubio. so i think the republican party is satisfied by this field.
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but it is still fractured as we keep seeing it. that will not be resolved tonight. >> absolutely. nicole wallace, thank you very much. i know we'll be checking in with you later. nicole joining us from new york tonight. that is becoming sort of the central strategy question among the republican candidates and among observers of the republican process, which is is it just because there's a lot of other people running besides donald trump that nobody can beat him? if there were fewer people running other than him, could one person put together a campaign that could top him even if they can't get there by attacking donald trump directly? all of that is being gamed out, not in hypothetical but in real time. >> real time on the run. >> and i think nicole is right that nothing will get thinned out. nobody will get winnowed out of the rate tonight. at least i don't think anybody is expecting to. but that strategic question is very much alive for everybody watching this right now. we go back to chris matthews down the strip at new york, new york. chris, can i just ask your opinion on that? whether or not you think that
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the number of candidates in the race has an effect on whether or not donald trump is the de facto nominee, the inevitable nominee? >> yeah. and i think a number has worked to his advantage. i think the fact that you can't -- many have spokananee a rubio -- trump's 25 to 30% is enough to defeat all of them. how long will they stay in the field against him? i'll bring in mark halpert. what trump is doing here what we're learning tonight -- i love to learn things each place. we learned how powerful harry reid was this weekend. how powerful the trump approach is. one or two speeches the day at the most. in and out. what he calls the airport campaign. if it works here how it will work next week with 11 states. >> the airport campaign the rest of the day. multiple contests across the country.
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the other candidates in iowa, south carolina, new hampshire, could spend time on the ground. spend resources. target voters. they can't do that in any other way. they had no money left. that's the campaign now. simple message. everybody watching this program knows trump's message. >> give me the quiz you just gave me. >> ask anybody who's watching this, what's marco rubio's slogan? what's ted cruz's slogan? what's john kasich's slogan? no one knows. ask anybody trump's slogan "make america great again." simple message. earn media domination and the ability on his private plane to go anywhere he wants anytime without having to worry about is there enough money left in the till to do it. doesn't need to worry about is this superpac well coordinated. trump has so many advantages that were advantages in iowa and new hampshire and south carolina but starting here and the rest of the way those become mammoth advantages. >> did you know this going in? i have to tell you i'm still shocked by what happened with us saturday night here. i thought trump had a big advantage coming out here. i think hillary bounced back.
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but i think trump now is perceived as inhe inevitable over the last 36 hours. what's happened? >> you look at the polling and the fact it's a crowded field. he could win every state. he could. >> every state. >> i'm not predicting he will but he could win every state. the problem is to beat trump you must beat trump. brian and rachel played earlier my conversation with stewart stephens today. they're not even trying to beat him. i spent sunday with marco rubio. flew out of south carolina, rally in tennessee. rally in little rock, arkansas. rally out here. did not mention donald trump. barely alluded to donald trump. i don't understand -- >> how can you allude to this bad-mouthing, bad-voiced, dirty mouthed, potty mouthed guy. they're always talk about him indirectly. >> it's the oldest thing in politics. you say you can't beat trump. everyone thought he was going to beat himself early on, right? so that did not happen. so they allowed him to define
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himself in just the way that mark described. and do all this showman stuff that he is so good at, create this atmosphere around him. >> no one thought he would beat the pope mano a mano. said terrible things about women. people say that's just him. what kind of character is this guy? >> rubio seems afraid to attack trump lest he get eviscerated like jeb bush did. >> i think the stature issue is. i think trump looks bigger than rubio. and cruz doesn't look -- i think the "new york times" today began to show that edge against him where he's not a good guy. the times sort of ruled that way. didn't you notice? >> only godzilla can beat king kong. >> just got it here. big movie terms. brian. >> interesting conversation. i say again he has a virtual 100% name recognition in this country. researchers call it unassisted recall. they can walk up to you, you know his name. that is so hugely valuable in
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national politics. a quick break and when we come back steve cornacki is taking in what i believe is a second wave of entrance polls into tonight's caucuses here in nevada. there he is.
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we are back on an unusually cold night here on the strip in las vegas, nevada. and inside a lovely evening inside the caucus sites we're following live. most of the caucuses will wrap up, we believe, in just under 40 minutes. >> that's right. most state-wide they're going to be wrapping up at the top of this hour in clark county which is las vegas, which is the population center they're going to be trying to wrap up in ten minutes or so. but we'll see. >> yes. >> in terms of what we know about who's turning out tonight and what matters to them, and
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what the character of the electorate is, we're getting that so far from entrance polling. our friend steve cornacki, who's turning out and where do we expect the vote tonight? >> the second wave is confirming what we showed you earlier, that evangelical share of the vote is down. about one-third here white evangelical. lower than we've seen in a lot of states. but also a very conservative electorate. when we start getting returns, a couple of things to be keeping an eye on here in the state. first of all, what you have here from the 2012 kaucaucuses wheree vote came from. clark county where las vegas is. half the vote basically on the republican side four years ago came out of this county. now, actually if you remember on saturday the democratic races, this number was much higher on the democratic side. it was 75%. what that tells you is in the republican rate in nevada you're talking about an electorate that is a lot more rural. a center of population that goes a lot farther north, a lot more into the state.
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the other major population center here we're talking about is around reno, washo county and south here around carson city. about 15% of the vote will come out of the three counties here. in terms of the significance of these different regions, a couple of things to tell you. there's a large mormon population out here. woumpb the largest mormon populations right along the utah border. one of the reasons mitt romney ran so well in the state in 2008 and 2012 he absolutely dominated in this part of the state. he was getting 70, 80% of the vote in some of these counties. that's interesting tonight. marco rubio a chapter of his life he doesn't necessarily talk that much about but quietly his campaign has talked about in nevada when as a kid he was raised here in las vegas as part of the mormon community. his family subsequently returned to the catholic church when he was a teenager. but he has relatives who remain out here in nevada. he has ties through the family members with the mormon church out here. mormons accounted for 25% of the vote in this state in 2012. the rubio campaign has been
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hoping that mormon vote there in a big way for mitt romney is his secret weapon in nevada tonight. >> it's been in local media here but you would miss it looking at national media. >> it's been interesting, too, watching the rubio family story come out through the local media here. one of the things that's interesting is that he's got a large extended family here. cousins upon cousins upon 'cause inches. most of the extended marco rubio family are democrats including elected democratic officials. so there's great family bonding and sweetness in terms of cousins rediscovering each other. when it comes to politics and whether they're actually going to support him at a republican caucus tonight there's been less talk about that >> exactly. so you've seen what passes for the hard numbers we have thus far. we're dealing in percentages. we're dealing with groups. who's going to the polls concerning results. we're all in this together. we're about a half hour away from the first time we would really have hard numbers. >> if we are going -- if we are
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going to have some hard numbers. >> yes. >> yes. we don't want to raise hopes. you know what i'm saying? >> okay. thank you. we'll go to a quick break. we'll come back with more of out live coverage from nevada right after this.
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we're one half hour away
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from the closing of many of the caucuses here in the state of nevada. all of the polling coming into tonight -- and we also believe we're looking at a fourth straight gop record turnout -- all of the polling has indicated donald trump is going to have another big night. katie tur is at his headquarters tonight. not far away from us on the strip in the treasure island casino. katie. >> reporter: hey there, brian. and if he does win tonight, think about this. he won in the moderate northeast, he's won in the religious south, and he could be winning tonight in the far west. donald trump's campaign feeling good right now about their prospects. and about to focus wholeheartedly on super tuesday. he's going to be in texas tomorrow. he's got the debate there on thursday. texas on friday. and then he's going through a bunch of the states over the weekend. and in georgia on monday. still don't know where he will be on super tuesday. but the polling all is indicating all out there that he's doing well there as well.
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campaign sources telling us that despite reports they do have a strong ground game in many of those states. and for this nontraditional candidate it is a very traditional ground game, stuff like door knocks and phone banking and signs. they are trying to blanket the south with donald trump signage. and the good thing that donald trump has over the other candidates is his name recognition. these are states that are hard to campaign in and donald trump has the benefit of everybody knowing who he is. so even if you've never turned on the television set during this campaign season and you walk into one of those primary voting booths you're probably going to know who donald trump is. they are expecting to benefit at the very least from that, brian. >> that's an enormous advantage. we were just talking. 100% name recognition and unassisted recall. >> that's so much of what campaigns spend their money on is trying to get one tenth of that. but he started with that and has had that to work with all along. in terms of the expectations for tonight, obviously mr. trump is expected to do very well.
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he's in the cat bird seat overall in terms of this race. but if there is a state in the country where marco rubio could be expected to do well you might think that it would be nevada. the rubio campaign was one of the only republican campaigns that was evident on the ground here weeks before this race. it was just cruz, rubio and bush. that was it. as recently as three and four weeks ago. he's campaigned very hard here. he did live here part of his childhood. his family did briefly convert to the mormon church when he was growing up here. and the caucuses, the last two times around, were one in four, one in four caucasgoers on the republican side was a mormon. the rubio campaign is benefitting from this huge surge in endorsements since donald trump won south carolina and since jeb bush got out of the race. everything is sort of like up for marco rubio. but if you want to talk about the expectations game, where marco rubio is going to be tonight when the caucus results start to come in from nevada is
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in grand rapids, michigan. he's not even staying in the state to get those results. which may just be an accident of scheduling. but sometimes in these things there aren't accidents. and that's meant to signify that marco rubio doesn't expect first tonight even if he does expect to do well. traveling with the rubio campaign in grand rapids is our own gabe guiterrez. gabe, this decision by the rubio campaign to not be here tonight, should we read anything into that? >> reporter: well, hey there, rachel. well, you guys are there with the bright lights. we are here in dark grand rapids. it was a very busy day for the marco rubio campaign. he had three rallies in three time zones. we started the day in vegas. then we went to minneapolis and we ended the night here in grand rapids. his rally wrapped up about 1500 people. but marco rubio campaign says that they are already looking ahead to super tuesday. they really -- and interestingly enough, they're trying to make
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the argument that they're everyone's second choice. and that is quite interesting in this presidential campaign. and as you've been saying, trying to convince people that once everyone coalesces around him that they will be best position today take donald trump. now, they are cognizant of the heat that they're taking for not going after donald trump. and they're pushing back and saying, look. we want to consolidate the gop establishment. they want to consolidate as much as they can. because they feel going forward, if they pick up a few delegates here and there, that they will be in the best position to take on donald trump eventually. the question will be will they wait too long? will this trump juggernaut really just go too far and basically wipe them out? what is key is that florida on march 15th will be crucial for the rubio campaign. and meanwhile, in -- on supertuesday they're also looking to other states like virginia, arkansas, oklahoma and minnesota. they think they can do well in those states. but rachel, as you mentioned, this nevada was a state that marco rubio was expected to do
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very well in. he has all those ties to the state. all that family, those family ties. his cousin is a democratic state senator there. and yet he is not there in nevada tonight. he's here in grand rapids heading to texas tomorrow. rachel? >> gabe guiterrez in grand rapids, michigan, which is where the marco rubio campaign is tonight. gabe, thanks very much for that. >> jerry ford's congressional district. and by the way, one point of clarification. at the bottom of the screen you might have seen under the breaking news banner reports of confusion at some caucus sites. that's a lot like saying an election broke out. we have no reason to believe these caucuses, party run, have had any crippling confusion or anything enough to soil tonight's result which we still wait on. another break. we'll be back from this trip right after this. man 1: [ gasps ]
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8:37 local time here in las vegas. 11:37 on the east coast in new york. and we're going to take you shortly to live vote counting at this high school caucus location in las vegas. first to our panel here. they've been putting up so nicely with the cold night in las vegas. elise jordan, a veteran of the bush administration last time, and the paul campaign this time. of course our own lawrence o'donnell. lawrence when last we spoke we were talking about the republican colliding efforts to embrace, go with the trump campaign, and the efforts still to fight and form an end around. >> well, when you hear the strategy being described that made a certain sense a few months ago. let me fight with people i think i can take votes away from while trump does his thing, hope for trump to collapse on his own. he might do that. to hear that now is -- just is
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inconceivable that you wouldn't be trying to get yourself if you're rubio or cruz or kasich, one-on-one with trump every day. trump is the campaign story for republicans. you're either in that story or you're not. and if you're not fighting with him, you're not in that story. and you should drive it. if you're cruz or rubio or kasich, you should start the morning driving it against trump. make him react to you. they still don't do it. >> elise is that going to happen? >> cruz has started attack donald trump but very luke warm about it. he needs to be driving it. it's really going to cause problems i think going into this super tuesday s.e.c. states. cruz probably is going to win texas, it may be close now that trump is really gaining on him. also if trump comes in a very strong first and rubio second here, that really is going to hurt cruz going into those 12 states. but he really has to start
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attacking trump or trump's going to run away with georgia, going to run away with all them. >> and think about all the local media coverage in those states that haven't had donald trump come to town yet. the 6:00 news is going to be trump news in every state he lands in. >> yes. >> and you've got to get into that news story with him. >> is there any state ahead that marco rubio should win? >> he's definitely going to win florida. >> he is? >> florida i think he's going to get. >> trump looks pretty good in florida. >> he might have to win a poll first. >> there have only been three states. i understand the whole marco rubio on the rise. people are frustrated with it because he hasn't won a state. granted it's been three states so far. winner takes all in south carolina. coming into march 15th those are a lot of delegates up for grabs. it's winner take all. and rubio could, if he goes into it strong, comes away with florida, if kasich drops out, he
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could still be in a pretty good position. >> doesn't that seem like marco rubio should have been able to win here? i mean, if you look at the map of yes, florida his home state. if i'm going to pick another state for marco rubio i would pick this state. the other state in which he has lived he's got all these connections, where he tried the hardest. he spent about $900,000 here. which is not a lot in the comparison to the rest of the campaign. but he's still outpaced everybody else with that. >> but if he's going to win the nomination, yes. this is a state that he should win. but the real local boy here is the guy who's never lived here is donald trump. the 60 years of these casinos have seen trump characters walking the floors of them every night. >> that's right. >> every pit boss is a version of donald trump. this town knew donald trump before donald trump ever showed up here. >> that's right. >> he is a real local boy in spirit. >> one of trump's towns.
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a dual question for anybody. what's kasich thinking to be the and chris christie at home in new jersey? >> kasich didn't come to town. didn't come to las vegas. he made his declaration about the hopelessness of this long before tonight. and he's playing that game of i'm going to wait until march 1st. i'm going to wait until march 15st. i'm going to play down the calendar here. and the trouble is, every time we have one of these nights, it changes the nature of the coverage for the coming week. there's going to be a winner tonight, and that winner is going to be the winner of the coverage of the coming week before your next election. a kasich by not even playing here has completely lost control of what happens starting tomorrow. >> he's not in the narrative. also i think it's really problematic for kasich to be so dependent on michigan. march 8th. that's a long time away. he can't just not show up in these 12 states that are going to be on march 1st. and he also can't go into -- he's not going to stay in ohio on march 15th if he's losing. he's not going to lose his home state that he's the governor of. like that's just not going to happen. so it will be interesting to
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watch. >> you ask primary voters to vote for the guy who all the other states have ignored until this night in michigan when we're all going to vote for you after everybody else has ignored you. >> which does work if the wave at the rest of the republican field is going is that people are reacting with horror to who the other states have chosen. >> yeah. >> you could be the last guy standing when everybody else looks too terrifying for anybody else to pick. but what's fascinating to me is to see john kasich not ahead in relatively moderate republican states like massachusetts. like you'd think a state that picked charlie baker would pick john kasich. but donald trump is running away with it in massachusetts. >> massachusetts is his biggest lead in all of the states coming up. >> just to update folks on what we're watching, this is indeed raw vote count at one of the caucus locations we've been tracking tonight. nicole wallace in new york wanted to get in on this conversation. nicole, i heard a couple cable news types 25today talking abou when john kasich will get the
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call from maybe john boehner, some other party fathers or mothers to say, you're taking up valuable oxygen. you're taking up potential -- this is when politics gets so cruel, even though he has a viable population of supporters out there. >> yeah. i mean, talk about what john kasich's thinking tonight. john kasich is fuming tonight that the calls are coming in for him to get out of the race. i think he feels like he's occupying his very own lane, sort of that of the civility lane, people who are looking for something that isn't quite as acrimonious as everything else on the menu as we keep calling it. and chris christie, you know, i think he too is watching this field and wondering how the circular firing squad left so many bodies in its wake and how really nothing has changed. we still have a field. you were talking about what moderates would do. talking about polls in michigan. trump is winning moderates. i mean, we have exit poll data that isn't firm enough to report tonight.
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but in all the elections that have been had, trump is the one that wins among moderates. so the notion that there's another sort of seat at the table for kasich, the sad reality is that there probably isn't. and that a week from super tuesday, what day is it? i don't know. a week from tonight, i guess. we will probably be looking at a deafening roar for folks like ben carson and kasich to get out. is it fair? no. but nothing about politics is fair. and i think there will be a lot of pressure internally, especially for a sitting governor of a very important state in the party and in the country to take a hard look at trying to help rubio, i guess if it's him, consolidate support in that establishment lane. but there there are a lot of people that still have their doubts about whether that strategy is viable or whether it's just a fairy tale. >> and how much thought have you devoted to someone who was close to camp bush, the departure of
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jeb bush a couple nights ago? >> well, listen. because he had finished in such a weak spot, it hasn't had the effect of shaking up the results, right? we're not talking about the possibility that rubio could win tonight. but what it's done is it has thrust all of the establishment figures behind him. now, what we don't know is whether that will be a help or a hindrance. i mean, this electorate is not impressed by establishment republican seals of approval. so i've said since september that we used to -- i think you and i had this conversation, brian, around the palin endorsement. hers was really one of the only endorsements that had the potential to further propel trump's outsider movement. because she's viewed really as an outsider still. but i don't know what effect these -- i think people sort of assume that the establishment is behind rubio. he wears that brand as the
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establishment candidate very comfortably. he doesn't run from it. and that's part of why it could help him. but i think there's still a giant question mark as to whether it helps him make history. for rubio to be the nominee he would be defying almost a century of political history. he would have come in fifth, second a couple of times, and could somehow become the nominee. it's possible. but it's very, very difficult. >> yeah. that's a really good math-based point you raise there, nicole. thank you. >> not my strong suit but thanks for that. >> yeah. you and me both. nicole will be with us throughout. those viewers who have been watching the left side of the screen as nicole's been talking you've seen such fascinating things as using the special seek secret tape to seal the manila envelope and the great photos that have been on people's iphones while they've been tabulating the vote. but this is the stuff of democracy tonight across nevada. why this counts so much, why
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it's so important, will happen in about 18 minutes at midnight most of the locations for caucusing will close. midnight eastern time, it will be 9:00 p.m. here. that is the top of the hour that we await. excitedly. because we believe we will start to be able -- start to be able to characterize this race here in the nevada caucuses. we're back with more after this break.
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. we're inside 15 minutes before the majority of the caucuses will end. and presumably the first results will be known here across nevada. let's listen in to as she's foraging for something perhaps a pen at the bottom of the bag over to this table. let's listen in for a bit. then i want to bring in chris hayes to explain what we're seeing. >> ted cruz. donald trump. donald trump. donald trump. donald trump. jeb bush. jeb bush. donald trump.
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>> well, somewhere nicole wallace is smiling. >> yes. >> jeb bush who of course left the race, and chris hayes is with us by telephone. chris, this is the location you've been covering tonight. >> reporter: yeah. i'm actually right here with the folks doing the counting here. >> oh, good. >> reporter: and they have this -- they each make hashmarks to make sure they're getting it all right. you saw a run of donald trump there. that has been basically what's happened at every table donald trump has been entirely dominant so far at every precinct that i've seen at every table. folks come through, make the hash marks and then they will report that up. but so far what we have seen is basically in this location -- and again, this is a specific location, not broadly representative in any way -- in this specific location as you can see from the hash marks there next to trump on that tally sheet that he is looking
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at, donald trump has had a completely dominant performance at tonight's caucus here in durango high school in southwest las vegas. >> 11:53 in new york. 8:53 in las vegas coming up at the top of this hour, rachel. this is -- again, all we have going into tonight was polling. polling state-wide, likely voters. we believed that the one thing we could anticipate record turnout, the state hasn't been doing this for many years. many cycles. but it looks like we are going to indeed get record turnout. >> we are seeing signs of record turnout. to be clear on what's happened here, the population center in nevada, clark county, they stopped voting basically at 8:30 so they could start counting. 8:30 local time, 11:30 east coast time. so they stopped voting about 25 minutes ago. and the rest of the state they are due to stop voting in about five minutes. so that means that things are
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coming to a head in nevada. and we expect hopefully that at the top of this hour we will be able to give you at least some characterization of what's happened in this race. the nevada caucus has been won twice before, both times by mitt romney. obviously that's not going to happen tonight. there was also a big strong ron paul showing after the vote took place in nevada in previous years. ron paul and rand paul not in contention tonight. donald trump obviously expected to do well. big fight on potentially for second place behind him. we'll get our first results very shortly. >> by the way, three cheers for unambiguous ballots. there's no punch machines. just a box and a check mark. and please note, there hasn't been any confusion or indecision about what all of these votes meant. again, this is a caucus. this is a party-run event. there's no phrase i love to use, controlling government authority. we're going to take our last break before the top of the
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hour. when we see you next, we'll be counting down to midnight eastern, 9:00 p.m. in las vegas. when we could get the first indications of how tonight is going. >> we're about to find out.
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we are back. our temporary studio anchor location tonight finds us really in the heart of the strip on an uncommonly cold evening here in las vegas, nevada. we are at ceasar's palace. we are covering the state-wide gop caucus here in nevada. i'm looking at the clock. it is 12:00 midnight in new york, 9:00 p.m. here. we are ready to make a calm. nbc news is projecting that when all the caucus votes are counted, donald trump has racked up another state, another victory in the election train that keeps rolling on. donald trump, the projected winner in nevada. there is his now victory celebration, his election headquarters at the treasure island casino not far from here. >> look at that. >> here is the way we can characterize the rest of the rate. we can say only that rubio leads cruz for second.
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rachel maddow, this is another chi achievement in this race that has stumped the pundits. no one thought this a year ago. >> this crowd is absorbing this information. the big picture here, we've got two people. two people only who have won primaries or caucuses so far. yes, ted cruz won iowa. and donald trump got second in iowa. but since then it was trump in new hampshire, trump in south carolina, not trump in nevada and onto super tuesday. most of the super tuesday states donald trump is leading. this is a dominant performance by the republican frontrunner. it will be interesting to see who comes in second and how close that is tonight. but this is donald trump's race to lose. >> confounding to what remains of the gop establishment. there's the rest of the field. and one more reminder, while we have projected donald trump as the victor in nevada, rubio leads cruz for second and that
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is -- i know this board shows something different. but rubio leads cruz for second in our latest count with 3% in. though they're one tick apart in percentage. to katie tur we go at trump headquarters, katie. >> reporter: as you would imagine, brian, the people in this crowd right now are very excited to get the news that donald trump is projected to be the winner of nevada. as i said earlier, he's now won the northeast, the moderate northeast. he's won the religious south and he's now won the far west. this is important when it comes to delegates. but potentially even more important when it comes to momentum. donald trump has projected himself as a winner since the very start of this campaign. an now he is proving himself to be winning three of the last four contests. it's important to note that even with that loss in iowa, he did get a record number of gop votes, save for ted cruz. more than mike huckabee, more than santorum. those times that they won in the
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past couple of summer olympics. so donald trump will be moving forward to super tuesday with a lot of momentum behind him. and with marco rubio potentially coming in second here, ted cruz is getting more diminished by each contest. it's now becoming even more important for him to win texas. recent polling is showing him up there but donald trump does believe that he has a very good chance of winning there. he's been bragging about this to his crowds, saying that ted cruz is nasty. he believes those attacks on him are sticking. he believes that ted cruz fires the spokesman rick tyler was a bad move and it shows a weakness. and donald trump is now saying that he thinks that he could potentially win texas, which would be as you guys know, a devastating blow to ted cruz. there is even talk out there that donald trump could potentially sweep super tuesday, which would mean a whole heck of a lot of delegates, guys. the campaign feeling good right now, feeling positive, and just waiting for next week
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essentially. >> unbelievable, katie tur. that would indeed turn the political world upside down. chris matthews, watching and listening with the rest of us, chris, in addition to everything we've said tonight, this is a candidate who is incredibly media savvy about when and where to appear. last time he did this during saturday night's victory celebration, he had already sampled the analysis, reporting on his victory, he already had his critiques ready. he watches an insane amount of especially television coverage, especially the cable networks. and is usually ready with his rebuttal all in a piece with his victory. >> reporter: you nailed it pretty correctly. in fact, last saturday night we were all together. i pointed out along with lawrence o'donnell that if you added up all the opposition to trump, if they all were peeled off from bush and the rest of them, and all went over to
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someone like rubio, that that would be a big challenge to trump. well, he didn't like that analysis. fair enough. i still think that's an analysis that is at least air rit metticly correct. one thing that's beginning to be true now they aren't getting together. there is not some coalescing of the opposition to trump. what seeing tonight is to me i've said this before. this didn't begin with trump. this began before the 2010 election. and what you saw was this growing, growing anger at the country's political establishment. it took root in the tea party. but of course it was bigger than that. all these members of congress that came to washington to vote against people like john boehner. when you see the impotence of the republican establishment tonight again what you've been seeing that for years now. people like john boehner were thrown out of their jobs. people like paul ryan are not going to be powerful. what's powerful is the anger at the grassroots. you're seeing it tonight. against the political establishment and more and more
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against the republican establishment which is almost defeated now. so trump is the name for their pain. the right wing, the angry people of this country have been trying to find a leader. they've found one. his name's donald trump. he is the name for their pain. when he gets out there and makes fun of people's faces, of their politics, of their low energy, their very beings, their weakness, it's always their weakness he makes fun of. he is expressing the anger of this large group of americans that's not a majority, it's not perhaps even -- i'll stick to this point -- not even a majority of the republican party if you count them all as citizens. but as the active part of the republican party. just like bernie sanders is the passionate left. he's the passionate right. and boy, he is rolling over them. bernie is still in a fight with hillary. this guy looks like he's won the fight tonight again. >> chris matthews, thank you to new york and nicole wallace we go. nicole, chris is right as he often is. zeroing in on anger at the
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center, the kind of unifying theme here. the trump phrase is make america great again. assumption, implication that all we've been told before the super bowl, all these years is wrong. when the eagle flies across the field. half the super bowl commercials start with that premise. it must be broken because he's going to fix it and return it to its prior greatness. whatever it is. when katie tur says there's even a whiff of this guy taking super tuesday, it's a breathtaking notion. >> well, it is. but it is also the culmination of a seven-month campaign that has been waged that we talked about, 17 people were in this race at one point. and when they have gone toe to toe with trump, when the choice has been trump and the entire field, the entire field appears weak compared to donald trump. and i think we talked for months about a battle for the heart and
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soul of the republican party. well, that phase is over. i think our hearts and souls are nothing to do with it at this point. this is now about our stomach. can we stomach an ugly fight with trump? you would have to get down in the mud to sort of wage a battle on his level. because he fights dirty. but the very thing that may make some people in the northeast corridor blush is what draws people to him. people look at trump as the fix, as the -- they think we have overcorrected in the area of political correctness. and they think he may be extreme. he's deeply flawed. but they think that he would bring us back to a more reasonable place. and this idea that all of his supporters are angry, all of his supporters support the ugliest thing he says is really an unfair thing to label all of his supporters with. a lot of his supporters are simply in it for the shake up.
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>> well, on the anger point one of the things we've seen in the entrance polls tonight is that over 90% of people turning out for this republican caucus tonight in nevada said that they were angry or dissatisfied with the government. over 90%. it will remain to be seen how well that maps on to the support for donald trump in this -- in these results tonight. but in terms of how donald trump put together this victory tonight, steve kornacki has some of that data in terms of who donald trump won tonight and how sweeping a victory it was. steve? >> reporter: yeah. we can take a look at all the numbers here at what the trump coalition in nevada is. let's start on ideology. those who call themselves very conservative again that's a big part of the electorate here donald trump winning them over ted cruz. ted cruz has been targeting this group of voters across the country. not for the first time he's losing to donald trump tonight. how about somewhat conservative. another large chunk of voters here, again a bigger donald trump win. 18 points. you see rubio jumps up there.
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there's also moderate republicans. that's a not insignificant chunk of the electorate. donald trump look at that a 30-point win. we've seen this before. donald trump a lot of people look at him on immigration. they say this is the conservative candidate. he is actually doing the best again among moderate voters. note rubio. he jumps up and down. does a little better with moderates. not as well with very conservative. cruz is jumping around. but trump is stable. he's winning all those groups. he wins again. white evangelical voters. he did this in south carolina. he's doing it here by an even bigger margin. this is another group of voters that the ted cruz campaign has been built upon. we can also look there's a divide here. we've seen this before. college, noncollege. donald trump has done better with those who don't have college degrees. among college graduates trump does win tonight. rubio does well. among noncollege a huge win for donald trump. he gets half the vote tonight. rubio and cruz duking it out there. there's also this question of when did voters make up their mind. we can show you interesting things here. those who just made up their
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minds today. marco rubio actually got a slight pleurally of them. trump and cruz votes there. the most encouraging for marco rubio the next one. those who said in the last few days they made up their minds. this is basically since south carolina. rubio clearly winning this group. so this was what the rubio people have been saying. they've been saying that since south carolina, republicans may look at this race aknew. they will start siding with rubio. there is some -- i don't want to overstate this because this is a very big trump win tonight. there is some indication that some voters did give rubio a second look here in the last few days. that is something they'll take some encouragement from. this other number this was the biggest group of voters who made up their minds more than a month ago. half the electorate today nearly 60% of them vote fog donald trump. what i can't emphasize enough looking at all the numbers the coalition that donald trump has put together here and we have seen this in the other states he's won is within the republican party a broad coalition. this encompasses multiple groups of people ideologically,
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culturally, demographically. the types of candidates the republican establishment has been scared of in the past and had to fight in these primaries were factional candidates. this is a candidate with broad appeal across the board in the republican party. >> wow. we're sitting here nodding at every new data point. >> yeah. >> it's just such an impressive collection of numbers. >> it is. well, it's a very impressive win is what it means. there is a little bit of bad especially bad news for ted cruz in these numbers. and there's a little tiny glimmer of good news for marco rubio. i mean, the bad news obviously for ted cruz is like the problem he had in south carolina, a guy who's built his campaign around winning very conservative voters and white evangelical voters, his margin amongst very conservative voters in south carolina was troublingly small. he was only plus six with those voters and actually lost evangelicals to donald trump. if what steve said is borne out tonight, and ted cruz tonight
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has lost both evangelicals and very conservative voters, both to donald trump, that's just devastating news for the cruz campaign. the little bit of good news for marco rubio is that news that people who made up their minds in the last couple of days made up their minds most recently did break toward marco rubio more than any other candidate. and that is -- that's got to be a sign of real momentum, even if he still doesn't get close to winning. >> at the same time, elise jordan, lawrence o'donnell here with us. the folks who decided a month ago, that firm, bedrock we're going to trump when the caucus comes to our state we're going for donald trump. what steve said about the broad coalition he has put together, this is just plain impressive for any politician. >> but he hasn't really picked up -- trump hasn't picked up real votes since a month ago. the late deciders in south carolina went for rubio and went for cruz. trump is still nationally 59% disapproval rate. the highest disapproval rate any
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frontrunner for a nomination has ever had. we can mislead the country here when we talk about these republicans and when steve talks about what he's calling broad-based within the republican party. >> that's fair. >> the republican party is a small minority political party in the united states. 28%. that's what it is. it's a little group. and so he might have broad appeal within that little group. he does. it absolutely shows he has broad appeal within that little group. what you're not seeing out of any of these results that we've seen here is general election appeal that the ability for that candidate to go out and change minds in a general election toward him. >> and elise, is it not fair to ask about his ability to change the campaign direction and verbiage of the democratic nominee's campaign by dint of being in the race? >> i think donald trump is trying to moderate his position. it's going to be easy for him because some of his positions
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aren't that extreme. praising planned parenthood. he has pro eminent domain. he has positions that aren't traditional conservative positions. what i find most interesting about tonight is that rubio was able to close the gap with cruz and possibly is going to get second place. that shows that rubio over the past week really did level effective attacks against cruz. now, could rubio do the same with donald trump? that's going to be the big question going forward. because cruz has a very, very difficult path. he's still going to win texas. early voting started there in january before his south carolina downturn. i'm not thinking that cruz will lose texas. >> he also has a ton of money to draw on. >> and bob vanderplatz cochair of cruz's campaign was quoting tonight saying that he has advised cruz to stop attacking marco rubio. go directly to donald trump. that they believe there are people in the cruz campaign who believe that the fight between cruz and rubio is being won in
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effect by rubio. move toward the bigger target. >> so have a different fight if you're losing the one that you're. >> one thing is very clear. regardless of your politics, if you love politics, what an election cycle we get to cover. again tonight, we're going to go to a break by watching the trump ballroom event at the treasure island casino just down the strip from us within view of us as is the trump building. this is certainly a night of continued treasure for trump. when he appears, we will come back even if it means busting out of a commercial break. please stay with us.
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top of the hour about 20 minutes ago you saw we were able to project, to call the race. nbc news projecting that when all the caucus votes are counted here in the state of nevada, donald trump will have stitched together, put together, compiled yet another impressive win on what could be a very long march this election season. it's the rest of the race we're watching very closely right now. as you see, 6% in. rubio 25, cruz 20 percentage-wise. we'll be watching this all evening long. >> the other important part of the nbc call tonight is that in the race for second place, marco rubio is leading ted cruz. don't extrapolate too much from the numbers that you're seeing there on your screen. because as you see in the upper left hand corner, it's only 6% in. but again, the nbc characterization is that rubio is leading cruz for second. but that second place call has not yet been made. let's go to howie jackson now
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who's been traveling with the ted cruz campaign. and she's at cruz campaign hq here in las vegas. halle, i heard you say earlier the cruz campaign was hoping for a top three finish tonight here in nevada. which is not very ambitious. they're just trying to beat john kasich and ben carson. looks like they will probably do that. we'll see. what's the mood there at cruz campaign? what are you hearing from them? >> reporter: it's still pretty low-key at the campaign event here. but i heard from a spokesperson they feel like the campaign worked hard in nevada. the fact they could be in contention for maybe a strong third or close to second with marco rubio. although as you pointed out the numbers are still so early is a good thing. but i'll tell you. most interestingly they already have their sights set on march 1st. they're talking about the other campaigns running what i was told were strong and aggressive operations. so this is going to be in their view a very competitive race.
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so the sense overall in the cruz campaign is listen, they needed to win one of the first few states or at least do well in the first three states. they feel like they got the win in iowa, they did well in new hampshire. for them that's pretty much enough until you turn the corner into the new phase of the race and head into super tuesday. where cruz has 27,000 folks in texas that have signed onto that campaign. it's a big number. it's a big state, sure. but their looking to compete there and to do well really across the board in those southern nominating contests. >> halle, what of the other internals tonight that has to be of some concern to the ted cruz campaign this news we've we've seen from the exit polls that looks like donald trump has won both voters who identify them service as very conservative and voter whose identify themselves as white evangelicals. i mean, the way the rest of the world is looking in at the cruz campaign, we expect that they're aiming to lock up very
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conservative and white evangelical votes in every state where they can. even if they don't win overall. >> oh, yeah. >> how disappointing is that part of this result for them? >> reporter: that is going to be a concern especially coming off of south carolina where you saw something similar with the evangelical vote. it's been made exquisitely clear that the cruz campaign wants to lock up those votes. the whole message of ted cruz's speech when he's out there talk about bringing conservative values in. in south carolina you saw ted cruz actually did best among voters who want add candidate who shared their conservative values. so the donald trump we keep talking about it is winning over a broad coalition is certainly something that the cruz campaign needs to be worried about, needs to be watching if they plan to execute on their strategy essentially of bringing together not just evangelicals but also tea partiers and libertarians. there is a sense right now, guys, in the cruz campaign they've got to get some elbows in and get into some other lanes to make plays. >> halle jackson, thank you very much from the ymca which is tonight's chosen location for
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the ted cruz rally. again we continue to watch the trump event, the moment we see him come toward the podium we'll go there. our good friend gene robinson has been watching with us in washington, of the "washington post" pulitzer prize winner. i have missed the look on your face, eugene, as we usually turn to you with the announcement of each new trump victory and trump margins. so guy head and give me that gene robinson that rachel and i would have received had you been here with us in the flesh and blood. >> i should have been taking selfies, i guess, all evening. but no. look, it's always better to win. it's another huge night for donald trump. we'll see coming out of nevada, i think, frankly whether the rubio and cruz campaigns are capable of learning. because once again, they've spent the week attacking each other. and once again they got creamed by donald trump. i think it's going to go this
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way. i mean, it doesn't seem that they're really gain gaining a lot of ground. i know there were stories that each campaign can tell to itself to paint this as a moral victory of some kind. but in fact, if they keep battling for second and third place, they are going to lose. so they're going to have to break out of the cycle somehow. and the super tuesday states look like fertile territory for donald trump to me, frankly. the number of evangelical, the evangelicals number clearly bad for cruz, but evangelicals don't necessarily all vote as a bloc. but the idea that very conservative voters are not sticking with ted cruz, are not voting for ted cruz, they're going for donald trump. i think that is awful news for the cruz campaign. and they should be deeply concerned about that. because that has to be his base. if he doesn't have it, what does he have? >> and eugene, by some
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standards, even in modern politics, this has not been a particularly dirty election season. we just got through south carolina with nothing near what people had feared would go on down there. perhaps because people are now empowered, dep advertiutized. we have more watchdogs watching the candidates and their operatives. if you're the cruz campaign how do you make the case as you go on, i swear we're not the dirty campaign that others are dining out on. i swear it wasn't us and we're going to be better going forward? >> well, this is a different media environment, especially social media. it's very difficult once tainted that way, and his campaign has been tainted in that manner as somehow a dirty campaign. though not dirty by historical standards. but it has that taint. and it's very very difficult to get rid of it. because every thing that happens now he's going to have to
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explain. so that's a continuing problem for him. what a fascinating year, though. i mean, i do think that in a sense this trump phenomenon is more of a result than a truly generous cause. it has a good deal to do with trump and his personality, but more to do, i think, with undercurrents that are happening within the republican party, perhaps even beyond the republican party this dissatisfaction with politics and the political class, particularly acute among republicans. i think we are seeing is in spades this year. and it's most unpredictable cycle i've ever seen. >> by the way, as we look at the shot showing us eugene from washington, we don't point this out enough. but that capital dome behind eugene, such a familiar sight. that is scheduled -- it's been a
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massive and expensive and painstaking process -- it's scheduled to be done in time for our next president to put his or her hand on the bible and be sworn into office. that's a lot of work for somebody between now and then. but then again, so is getting the nomination and getting successfully elected. eugene, thank you as always. another break for us. we'll continue.
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we are back. there have been election nights and donald trump's recent triumphs where he has come out to address his supporters sooner than this following the declaration of victory by the tv networks. but when we see him we're going to go immediately to him. for the time being, we're going to go immediately to steve kornacki who has a fascinating subset of the nevada voter turnout. >> reporter: yeah. this is interesting, brian, only because of the emphasis of donald trump's campaign, immigration, the very controversial statements he's made on the subject. and this is the first time in the republican race that you have a significant chunk -- a somewhat significant chunk i should say republican electorate nonwhite. reaches into the double digits in nevada. that wasn't true in the other states. a little under 10% of the republican electorate here in nevada is latino or hispanic. you see among those voters tonight, asked them how they
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voted, donald trump is winning hispanic voters on the republican side in nevada. again, this is a little less than 10% of the electorate. trump 44, rubio 29. you can see that is about the same spread we're seeing with white voters in nevada. if you put that one up donald trump doing a little better with white voters than with hispanic voters. but just an interesting tidbit there given all the discussion around the immigration issue and trump standing with latino voters. i imagine this is something he might try to make something out of. among voters who said immigration was their top issue in this race, that's about one in five republicans. trump did win that group by about 40 points tonight. >> wow. >> yeah. >> it's easy to be misled by percentages. the total number of latinos voting in this tonight may be around 1500, 1600 people. so trump's count of that might be 800 of these latinos out of a population of 800,000 latinos. so when we just throw up a raw percentage like that, we can
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maybe get a wrong idea of the magnitude of what just happened. >> because you think about the state as a whole. it's about 28, 30% latino. and then you think about the number of them that are republicans. and then you think about republican voter turnout. >> we know who won the latino vote in this state. hillary clinton did it. >> or bernie sanders did it arguable. >> bernie sanders would have wiped out the republicans on that. so i mean, it's just one of those things where the percentages suggest something bigger than actually happened. >> another ambulance to compete with on the streets of las vegas. let's go down the strip to new york, new york. and chris matthews. >> reporter: we're back right now. thank you. it got so loud here. the former chair of the party, she also ran for the senate. the great share on engle. you should have been the nominee. you would have won. you're out there tonight, you went from being a precinct leader to being an assistant manager fixing the problems >> yes. it was huge!
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the turnout was so big. and it was so demanding. and we had other people in my precinct who could cover for me as the precinct leader. and so i was pulled to try to resolve some problems, such as they weren't on our voter registration forms. or people showed up for the wrong location at the caucus. >> let me ask you about your state. we've got john rolfson here. i want to try to figure this out. characterize why you were or were not surprised at trump's big win here. were you surprised by the magnitude of it? 2 to 1? >> i was surprised by the magnitude of it. i was. because i knew thrube rubio's a cruz's campaign were very organized and on the ground organized. >> why did they get wiped out, then? >> i think that people are just angry, and they wanted to show how frustrated they are. and they turned out in droves. i mean, it was unbelievable. >> you watch the news every day and every night. we cover every comment, every spurt out of trump.
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every bad thing with the pope, with women. women all the time. the stuff that most times would say not only politically correct but awful human behavior. over and over again. and i've watched people go, yeah. >> they don't care. we had a lot of women, a lot of minorities voting for him. we had trump employees coming and caucusing for him, saying what a wonderful guy he was. it was unbelievable to watch. people are devoted to him. >> not union guys. >> i don't think they were union people, no. >> i did meet one of his guys billy the other day who drives his cars back and forth to the airport. he likes him. there is that issue of labor management there. it's not so good. >> we had employees at bonanza high school tonight who were caucusing for him. and spoke about that. >> i want to talk about the thing we were talking about earlier, the failure of the republican leadership. governor sandoval out here didn't take sides. she'll madelson richer guy here,
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khan leader. he backed rubio. this is where it hasn't happened for rubio. king to come out for the guy. >> not the kind of ruthless leadership here. harry reid rules the democratic party with an iron fist. sandoval is not that kind of guy. he doesn't want to get down into the muck with the party stuff. tonight he goes and finally he caucuses for marco rubio. and then says, but this isn't an endorsement. that makes absolutely no sense sense of course. he doesn't want to get into it. you have this party here. you saw what the electorate was like from the entrance polls. it's like 83% very conservative or somewhat conservative. >> check that across the country. the unwillingness of the party establishment like you -- you're establishment -- to really get in there in the down and dirty with trump. the top guys, the governors for
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example, won't come out and say this guy must not be the nominee. they simply go out and quietly nebishly vote. but they don't say no way to this guy. >> sandoval wouldn't do that. he's not that kind of guy. he wants to sit up there act still like a federal judge and be deliberate tiive. >> i don't think the establishment is offended by trump. i think all these so-called establishment who's elected to our party, to our republican party, are very open-minded to whatever the people want. >> right. >> [ overlapping speakers ] >> can i just say who caucused with me tonight is sheldon add elson. you mentioned him. dr. miriam add elson. >> did he vote? >> i walked them in. >> did they vote? >> no. >> i hear he's for cruz, she's for rubio. >> i was too busy solving problems. >> there is no establishment in
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the republican party. fractured. >> what we're seeing here we're probably seeing across the country, a lack of reality or a fervor of commitment of the republican establishment to stand up to trump. they sit and fiddle about it and worry about it and worry. and here he is winning. and nobody puts together an organization to stop him. by the way, have you heard from reince priebus tonight? where this guy? he's the party chair and he has no leadership. where is the guy? harry reid was out here working everyone at the casinos. he made sure his party won. you can beat debbie wasserman schultz has a favorite in this place. i don't see anybody in the republican leadership exercising leadership yet. >> i disagree. i think they're letting the people vote period. >> letting the people vote. that's leadership. >> a lack of reality says the man sitting 30 feet from a plywood brooklyn bridge. not far from the plywood mirage. all right. thank you very much.
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the ballroom at the treasure island casino and hotel. everyone there awaiting donald trump's appearance. something has kept him from that audience thus far. we'll go there the minute we see him. >> we're told he should be giving his victory speech in just a couple of minutes. shouldn't be long at this point. it will also be interesting to see what other candidates decide to give speeches tonight. will we hear from in grand rapids, michigan? will we hear from ted cruz at what point? and how deep do we have to get into the reporting of the results before we hear from them? we shall see.
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one of the things that was just discussed briefly by john ralston there and sue louden who's been a republican party big wig in nevada for a very long time was the issue of nevada's very popular republican governor, brian sandoval. who's been weirdly invisible in this whole primary process. the ted cruz campaign, somebody who didn't want their name used but was associated with the ted cruz campaign, told "politico".com today that governor brian sandoval in nevada is toxic waste, and that his endorsement would be a disaster for anybody who received it. i'm paraphrasing there. everything except the toxic waste part of it. my question for elise jordan and lawrence o'donnell joining us again what that says about the republican party. brian sandoval might be the most popular republican in the country in terms of his approval ratings and how he's viewed by his constituents here. but the presidential campaigns come to town. at least ted cruz who's running a top three campaign here says
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it would be a disaster to get an endorsement from him. >> i believe i saw somewhere that the governor voted for rubio. he said it wasn't an endorsement. >> caucuses for rubio and said it's not an endorsement. >> exactly. that's what they were trying to deflect it. and shocker, you wonder why the cruz campaign gets accused by every other campaign of dirty tactics. it's that attitude that's just so pervasive through the whole campaign. it's what we saw this week with cruz firing his communications director, rick tyler, which i personally -- my sympathies are with tyler. i think that's an attitude that comes from the top. what happened, his behavior with the rubio video the pattern of his campaign with the dirty tactics. >> also maybe a republican party at war with itself. >> this is the rush rim limbaugh republican party. rush's job the last 25 years has been to keep republicans in line. remember there were a few years there in the 90s and then in the early 2000s where a republican
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senator or house member would come out and say something and discover within 90 minutes that rush him becaulimbaugh was atta on his radio show. before that sunset that senator or house member would have changed the position back to the rush limbaugh position. when people talk about this win tonight wasn't a month in the making or just the last six months, it's been 25 years of rush limbaugh radio and the other shows that he has spawned that donald trump now per son fight. this is rush limbaugh running for president with exactly the same style of humor, they joke about the same kind of things. they make fun of people in the same way. with exactly same level of accuracy which is to say wild inaccuracy at the same time. without ever being held in audience, by rush's case by trump's case by his supporters being proven wrong every day.
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this is right wing talk radio come to a candidacy. >> can i please bring this before the court of nicole wallace sitting in a television studio in new york? waiting to go board a flight. >> i love listening to lawrence and chris as they analyze the republican party. but i know a little bit about the republican party. and i would say that the notion that sue louden trusts the will of the voters is one of the greatest strengths of the republican party. most republicans look at the super delegate process as a corrupt way for hillary clinton and the party leaders to put the finger on the scale against a guy in bernie sanders who most grassroots liberals adore. so the fact that our process plays out without party bosses is something that i would expect liberals to find a nice thing about the republican primary process. so it makes me chuckle up here alone in new york. maybe it's just the late hour here. but the notion that sue louden's
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explanation that her hair isn't on fire about trump because she respects the will of the voter. frankly marco rubio said the same thing. he's in a death match for his own political survival. but he actually said on sunday at the end of the day he trusts the will of the voters. this may be a mars-venus thing that republicans actually trust the process to help us land on the right candidate at the right time in the right climate. but the notion that we're not running around like lunatics because the will of the voters is landing on someone that confounds liberals makes me giggle up here in new york. >> well, lawrence, you did drive your car right into the nicole wallace bat cave. >> she's not responding to what i said. i said this is basically the extension of the rush limbaugh radio show into a candidacy. chris was talking about why doesn't the organization of this party crush this candidacy. the answer to that is really simple. you can only crush another candidacy with a candidate. they don't have a candidate so far in the republican party who
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can stop this candidacy. >> nicole, listening to the coverage all day, this notion we've talked about it here tonight, coalescing, coalescing, the calls that are going to go out to the lesser candidates who are taking up space. uniting around an establishment candidate. this was going on right up until game time tonight. >> and it's still going on. i heard from the rubio campaign on my way down here. and they said there's never been so much coalescing in the history of politics as there has been around them in the last 48 hours. so if coalescing is a word that -- i don't know how i feel about the word but we're going to hear a lot more about it in the coming days. but the notion that any of this means that our process is going to result in someone who wouldn't be extremely competitive with whoever the democrats land on, which very much looks like hillary clinton, is the falsehood. and the notion that our vote ares and our party and grassroots republicans would be wrong in their choice, that somehow -- my point is that process has been democratic. and rush limbaugh has 38 million
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viewers every day. a lot of people respond to his sort of wax against political correctness. and i agree with lawrence. if there is a parallel between those sort of attacks on political correctness. i sweat and i'm uncomfortable by a lot of things that trump says. but he's got that thing we talked about. winneriness. >> we do know that trump voters are wrong about some very simple things. 66% of them believe president obama's muslim. 60% believe the president is not a citizen. they're wrong. >> be that as it may, the devices are aloft. here's donald trump. >> we love nevada. we love nevada. thank you. oh, this is a great place. thank you. [ crowd chanting trump trump trump ] [ cheers and applause ]
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>> thank you very much. great evenings. we will be celebrating for a long time tonight. have a good time. have a good time. [ cheers and applause ] >> you know, we weren't expected a couple of months ago we weren't expected to win this one. you know that, right? we weren't. of course, if you listen to the pundits we weren't expected to win too much. and now we're winning winning winning the country. [ cheers and applause ] >> and soon the country is going to start winning winning winning. [ cheers and applause ] >> so i want to thank the volunteers. they've been unbelievable. these people, they work like endlessly. endlessly. we're not going to forget it. and we've had some great numbers coming out of texas. [ cheers and applause ] >> and amazing numbers coming out of tennessee and georgia. and arkansas. and then in a couple of weeks
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later, florida. we love florida. [ cheers and applause ] >> so we're going to do very well in ohio. we're beating the governor. that's good. that's always nice to be beating the governor. and michigan, the whole things. it's going to be an amazing two months. [ cheers and applause ] >> we might not even need the two months, folks, to be honest, all right? [ cheers and applause ] >> so tonight we had 45, 46%. and tomorrow you'll be hearing "you know, if they could just take the other candidates and add them up." [ laughter ] >> and if you could add them up. because you know, the other candidates amount to 55%. so if they could just add -- they keep forgetting that when people drop out we're going to get a lot of votes. [ cheers and applause ] >> they keep forgetting. they don't say it. so i want to begin by thanking my boys. eric has been all over the place
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making speeches. he's getting better than me. so i'm a little jealous. [ cheers and applause ] >> and don went up to elko and you were all over it. he loves the rifle stuff. this is serious rifle, this is serious nra, both of them. both of them. [ cheers and applause ] >> we loft second amendment, folks. nobody loves it more than us. so just remember that. >> and cory and hope, the staff, the whole group and charles and dan and what a group we have. it's just been amazing. i want to just thank a couple of friends of mine that are here. the owner of this incredible hotel, mr. and mrs. phil ruffin, stand up. great guy. phil said, donald, like for the last three months he's driving me crazy. he said, donald, i want to put $10 million into your campaign. i said, phil, i don't want your money. i don't want to do it. i'm self-funding. every time i see him.
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it's hard for me to turn down money. that's not what i've done in my whole life. i grab and grab and grab. i get greedy. i want money money. i'll tell you what we're going do, right? we get greedy, right? now we're going to get greedy for the united states. we're going to grab and grab and grab. [ cheers and applause ] >> we're going to bring in so much money and so much everything. we're going to make america great again, folks. i'm telling you. we're going to make america great again. and another great friend of mine, somebody respected by everybody, a great friend of phil, too, mr. and mrs. steve wynn. stand up, steve. stand up. [ cheers and applause ] >> two great people. steve is always calling. he's always got advice. right, steve? donald, i think you ought to do this and that. his advice i like to listen to. i'll be honest with you. so phil and steve and families, we appreciate it. you've been great friend. thank you. thank you. [ cheers and applause ]
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>> so this was very exciting tonight. but i'll tell you. it looks like we won by a lot evangelicals. i love the evangelicals. and i have to tell you, pastor jeffries has been so incredible on television and elsewhere. he has been great. and as you know, liberty university, do we love liberty university? [ cheers and applause ] >> huh? jerry fallwell jr., an unbelievable guy. and he has been with us and with us from the beginning. and i want to thank jerry and his family. it's been amazing, the relationship. so we won the evangelicals. we won with young. we won with old. we won with highly educated. we won with poorly educated. i love the poorly educated. we're the smartest people with the most loyal people. and you know what i really am happy about i've been saying it for a long time. 46% with the hispanics.
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46%. number one with hispanics. [ cheers and applause ] >> i'm really happy about that. [ crowd chanting trump trump ] >> thank you. so i'm very proud of you. this is an amazing night. and i love the country. i love the country. [ cheers and applause ] >> we're going in the wrong direction. we're going to keep, as you know, gitmo. we're keeping that open. and we're going to load it up with bad dudes. we're going to load it up with a lot of bad dudes out there. we're going to have our borders nice and strong. we're going to build the wall. you know that. going to build the wall. and i have a lot of respect for mexico. and you just heard we won hispanics. but let me tell you, mexico is going to pay for the wall. right? [ cheers and applause ] >> going to happen.
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going to happen. they know it. i know it. we all know it. we have a tremendous deficit. we have a trade deficit with mexico. they'll pay for the wall. they'll be very happy about it. believe me. i'll talk to them. they'll be very very thrilled to be paying for the wall. we're going to be the smart people. we're not going to be the people that get pushed around all over the place. we're going to be the smart people. you're going to be proud of your president. and you're going to be even prouder of your country, okay? [ cheers and applause ] >> so tonight, folks, this was a great evening. i love this place. i love this state. i love las vegas. i have spent and invested so much money over here. trump international hotel. i keep telling steve we have the best hotel in las vegas. he's fighting me all the time [ laughter ] >> but i just want to say it's a great state. and they have great people. and i was so proud. you know, i went to caucus. i was all over the place
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tonight. the people are amazing. the enthusiasm, it was unbelievable to see. the people of this country are absolutely amazing. [ cheers and applause ] >> i love you folks very much. remember, make america great again! we're going to do it. and it's going to happen fast. thank you very much, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] >> thank you. thank you very much. we love you. we love you! [ cheers and applause ] >> thank you. thank you. [ crowd chanting usa ] >> there you have your victor tonight in the nevada caucus flanked by some of the men in his family. and the secret service protection that has become a constant in his life these last few weeks. donald trump will move on. so will this campaign. and in the mash up of donald
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trump quotes that everybody has kind of seen 20 times, that probably are designed to be punishing or off putting, i love the poorly educated. >> i love the poorly educated. >> goes in the hopper tonight. none of it has mattered to the trump support. but he says the darnedest things. >> i love the poorly educated. i like to grant mongrab the mon. i grab it grab it grab it. get so greedy. we're going to get greedy for the united states of america. >> pointing to his son. this is serious rifle >> yes. and we're going to kekeep guant and load it up with bad dudes. >> about his country, we're going to bring in so much money and bring in so much everything. >> and the crowd goes wild. >> and the crowd goes wild. >> the donald trump phenomenon in the republican party is something that we're all looking at numerically and thinking about it about it.
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they didn't expect to fall in love with a guy like this but republican voters reallyfluke. >> coming up, here we are at 1:00 a.m. in the east and 10:00 p.m. in las vegas. as nbc news, two hours ago now, awarded, projected, that donald trump would be the victor tonight. he has now accepted. it's the rest of the race. one hour ago, i'm putting more time between us, than the decision than there was. one hour ago. 30 delegates at stake here. but that's been a fraught subject and a complex bit of math. it's the undercard that it's second and third that has proven so interesting tonight. would you like to reintroduce our guests? >> i shall. i should also note jeb bush is still on our board although jeb bush has technically dropped oust fout of the race.
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>> we heard him get a little -- >> there was a microchief. we saw jeb bush get a couple of votes there. it was a sweet moment. jeb bush is out of the race. it's a five-man race at this point. in terms of whether or not second place is important here, something the rubio and cruz campaigns need to think about, whether it makes a difference in terms of how they spend their momentum or lack thereof there. >> it definitely does make a big difference for rubio especially and cruz his whole strategy is just falling apart. really it started with south carolina, his loss there, but now tonight he -- things are not looking good for ted cruz and i think rubio is going to have to come out strong at thursday's debate and take on trump and show he can if he wants to have any hope of staying alive in this race. >> or he needs to be the last one left when everybody else fades out for whatever other reason. >> exactly. but how long is that going to take? >> yeah. lawrence -- >> 13 delegates on the board for donald trump tonight. something like that. marco rubio might be picking up about eight. ted cruz, something like that. so, you know, something real happened for those campaigns
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tonight. but, again, it's trump delivering exactly what the polls were saying about a month or more ago. he was going to come in in the 40s here. he did that. but every time he does that, or every time hillary clinton wins as she's projected to win or as bernie sanders won as he was projected to win in new hampshire, in is an energy that goes to that campaign that week. and often it changes the outcome or improves the outcome about what's going to happen next. what's going to happen next is tuesday which is by far the biggest event that has occurred so far in this season. i mean, new hampshire is exciting because it's the first time people go to the polls and it's a real election, absentee ballots -- >> and it's new hampshire. >> and it's new hampshire and it's tradition. what we're going to do on tuesday is the first really, really big event here that might settle it for the republicans. >> to look ahead to tuesday and to look at the bit of polling that we've got, there's been more polling in some states than
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there has been in others. to see the spray of states in which donald trump right now is leading in the polls, it's unusual to see somebody leading in alaska and vermont. you know, and oklahoma and massachusetts. >> what happened here tonight to change any of the positive information that are in those polls for donald trump right now? >> nothing. only strengthened. >> right. >> you heard one of the -- we were talking a little bit about the unconventional nature of mr. trump's speech, and it is true that he speaks in -- he uses unconventional sentence structure, doesn't speak like a traditional politician. he's an effective or tor. you can tell it from the reaction of people in the room and the number of people who turn out to see him. one thing he did deliberately tonight, he started talking about where the race was going next, he said first we're getting very good news out of texas. >> yep. >> we're looking great in texas. i mean, you've been talking about all night, elise, that ted cruz is going to win texas, has
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to win texas, if he loses texas, he's toast, forgive me. that possibility that donald trump feels like he's competing there, that it's not ted cruz's state anymore, that it might be trumpville, that is -- that's intimidation. >> well, and trump has shown he wants to win every single delegate and he's fighting and he is going after what he knows cruz has a strength there and cruz is very likely to get about 60% to 7 0% of the delegates in texas and cruz wants to -- trump will cut into that in any way he can. >> yeah. >> over to katy tur who was in the room, katy tur obviously covers the trump campaign for us, was in the room when donald trump just came out. katy, what can you tell us about the folks you've been talking to tonight, folks that have been your traveling partners for months now? >> reporter: these folks were as excited as we've seen them. donald trump's rallies in the more southern states and certainly here in nevada have been very boisterous events and this tonight did not disappoint that. they were extremely excited when
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it was announced donald trump would probably, was projected to win this state. when he took the stage, very loud cheers. very loud cheers for the idea of a wall. even louder cheers when he said that mexico would pay for that wall. border issues certainly play really well here in nevada. i want to point out a couple of things he said on stage. it's really important to note that when he was talking about where he's doing well right now, and where he hopes to do even better next week, he mentioned ohio, where that's -- or john kasich, his governor. he mentioned texas, that's where ted cruz is senator. and he mentioned florida, that's where marco rubio is senator. he is focusing on those three states. if he's able to win those three states, it is a knife in the heart for those three candidates. and it makes his campaign and his nomination even more inevitable. brian? >> katy tur at trump headquarters. thanks. to our other former speechwriter around here, and that is chris
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matthews across town down the strip at the new york, new york casi casino. chris? >> i think his speech-making is impossible to teach, really. but trump, he breaks down that wall between him and the audience. it's always we, how we're going to do next. her shares with the audience back and forth how well they're doing in terms of crowds he's building up, how he's doing in polls in different states like texas next week. it's always sharing. it's an interactive thing he does. almost like the old irish expression, listen with your tongue. every time he uses a line, he can actually hear the reaction, says am i right, am i right? he's back and forthing it all the time. all the shtick about the lesser educated, what's he call them, poor lly educated, it's all a joke, all shtick, all sharing with the audience. i loved evangelicals. that's nonsense. i love the second amendment. i love the bible. it's all shtick. the audience is sharing that. nobody's buying it. it's his way of connecting with the voters and sharing sort of
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the joke with them. then comes the beef. the beef. nobody's going to keep kicking us around anymore. they're going to have pride in our country. i think that nationalism thing is always on the inside. he plays around with the audience back and forth. he kids with them. it's kind of post-modern like we know this is a joke, let's have fun with it, everything i'm doing is a joke except in nationalistic poll, that no other candidate has matched, not even -- certainly not bernie, none of them got -- hillary doesn't get it. he gets it. i think that's what holds his audience together through all the stupid things he says, awful things he says. yeah, he's looking out for the country, the other guys are looking out for the government. i'm caring about country, not the government or party. he's got that cohesiveness because of it. so much of it is the sheer showmanship. i remember watching carson all those years. i know i'm being interrupted, i'm getting good here. the odd yents, shaaudience, sha audience. a good crowd.
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carson used to do that, letterman did that. always the jokes you share. the connection with the audience over time. this goes way back in show business. he shares, he connects, he's interactive. it's all about that shtick and the bond he's forming. he is forming a bond out there. and it's something to watch. you can't teach it. >> so, chris, quickly, just -- i want to nail you down. this is interesting. as someone who used to support himself as a speechwriter, you are conceding that there's structure here, there's on oratorical skill and there's knowledge of his audience and then he gets to the nub of his entirest, his entire campaign for president, and it's all been buildup. you are -- you're conceding or assigning a structure to what we've seen at live events all throughout? >> yeah. it's entertainment. it's almost like he serves the dessert first and then the beef and then the entree. but he gets to it. i mean, so much of that is just playing with the audience.
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you know, great crowd. we had a bigger crowd last week. had 20,000, 30,000, had 20,000 twice. who talks like that? this guy does. it's sharing with them the enterprise. the whole -- it's we, we, we, we, we, we, we. it's powerful. but he does remind them why they're there. they're not there to be intertainte entertainte enterta entertained. they're there because they're angry about their country, having being betrayed by the big shots. losing the best jobs to china, worst jobs to illegal immigrants and of course fighting stupid wars. there's no other politician who combines auld three of those, by the way. trade and, of course, immigration being awful to most progressives and, of course, when it's wars the progressives do like and the neocons hate. he puts it together and does it with tremendous entertainment and bonding, always bonding with the audience. >> chris matthews joining us from down the street here on the vegas strip. it is interesting, you know, when you g o to a donald trump event when they start the event
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at the very beginning before he takes the stage, not at a victory speech like tonight, but when he's going to do the rally, the person who's the front of house comes out and says the show will begin in x minutes, the show is due to start as if they are bringing on an entertainer. >> right. >> i think they're self-conscious about exact bli wh ly what you're explaining there, my friend. >> exactly. >> i want to go to steve kornacki looking ahead to what's going to happen next. super tuesday was always going to be super important in getting this nomination. super tuesday becomes imminently important because it's very close and calls the question whether or not donald trump is running away with the republican nomination. steve, what does this path look like here? >> yeah, rainfachel, you heard in the victory speech talking about trying to put this thing away quickly, trying to two into certain states where the polls with looking good. donald trump wants to end this quickly. obviously the easiest thing to do is keep winning. there are three really specific things he can do in the next two weeks right now to sort of force
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the issue with his three remaining components. that is win in their home states. so let's take look here in texas. this is the first chance he's going to have to do this. this is a week from today. you were talking about this a minute ago. ted cruz's home state. look at this. this is a poll just out in the last day, ted cruz ahead by only eight points in his home state over drup donald trump. lawrence was talking about the idea of momentum, positive headlines coming out of wins like tonight, south carolina, win new hampshire for donald trump. we're going to see in the next week do the numbers move further in texas? not long ago the ted cruz campaign was looking at texas and at the magic number of 50% there because if you can win more than 50% in texas, you win over single one of the statewide delegates that's at stake. if you can break 50% in any congressional district, you win all the delegates in those congressional districts. the cruz campaign used to look at this state as one where they weren't only going to win, they were going to rack up a huge number of delegates. now the possibility that donald
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trump goes into ted cruz's backyard and gets a win outright next tuesday, it's impossible to see ted cruz going on if he can't win his home state. flip the calendar forward. two weeks later, march 15th. winner take all primary in ohio. john kasich, two-term governor re-elected overwhelmingly in 2014. look at this. brand new poll out there, donald trump leading john kasich in his home state of ohio by five points. obviously if kasich can't win his home state against donald trump, he's not going to survive. this may be the bilge ebiggest surprise, though. same day, march 15th, florida is going to vote. marco rubio the home state candidate not only in the latest boll poll -- this is a few weeks ago, not only is marco rubio losing to donald trump, a few weeks ago when the boll was taken he was running third in his home state behind even ted cruz. now rubio got a decent performance in a couple of contests at least in south carolina since then. maybe that bumps him up. but, again, donald trump has done nothing but win since this poll was conducted and so from
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that standpoint, maybe donald trump is moving up as well. >> wow. steve kornacki, thank withdryou much. >> i think steve kor kornacki is going to tell us how the story ends. is he supposed to do that. >> the polls can be wrong. they were wrong heading into iowa. trump was supposed to win iowa heading in there, so maybe that's ted cruz's and marco rubio's hope here that all the polls are going to be wrong again. but if the polls are right and the momentum is what the momentum obviously is, then this is starting to feel like an impossible dream. >> used to be polling over 50 in texas, cruz. by the way, he's the texas senator. he's supposed to poll over 50 in his own state. >> they only get two -- >> with him declining, there's going to be movement in the next week in texas. it can only be in one direction at this point. >> i do think there will be some movement, but the early voting in texas is so much to cruz's benefit. they're going to close that on friday at about 55% of
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republican primary -- will have already voted so that's so much -- >> more than half will have voted in -- >> yes, they will have voted already. that's really to cruz's advantage -- >> rubio's great detriment, rubio was going to get anything there, rubio is getting the late movie ining -- >> cruz has good campaign organization. i don't think trump will completely sweep texas, but things are not looking good for tk ted cruz right now. >> 20,000 volunteers is nothing to sneeze at. you're right. if you can't put it away and take all the delegates there, that's my official response. >> once again, we are forced to conduct business. >> transcript. >> another break. more reaction when we come back. >> grimace. >> in las vegas.
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the evening on the night of the nevada caucus, here is ted cruz at the ymca before his supporters. [ cheers and applause ] >> god bless the great state of nevada. what an incredible team we have here on the ground. i want to thank our nevada state chairman, attorney general adam laxal. a tremendous strong principled constitutionalist conservative, when he ran for attorney general, all the political establishment was against him. he wasn't supposed to win. i can't imagine what that feels
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like. i want to thank our incredible leadership team that is here, the men and women across this state that worked so incredibly hard forging a grassroots coalition. [ applause ] they're still counting the ballots, so we don't know the exact result, but i want to congratulate donald trump on a strong evening tonight. and i want to congratulate the grassroots, the conservatives across this country, who have come together behind this campaign. [ applause ] when we started this campaign nearly a year ago, there were 17 candidates in the race. the role of the first four primaries historically has been to narrow the field.
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and we have seen the first four states do exactly that, narrow the field. now, at this point we've had four primaries, history teaches us that nobody has ever won the nomination without winning one of the first three primaries. and there are only two people who have won one of the first three primaries. [ cheers and applause ] donald trump and us. and the undeniable reality that the first four states has shown is the only campaign that has beaten donald trump and the only campaign that can beat donald trump is this campaign. [ cheers and applause ]
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if you are 1 of the 65% of republicans across this country who doesn't think donald is the best candidate to go head-to-head with hillary, who believes we do better in elections when we actually nominate a conservative. anyone the first four states that performed a vital function of narrowing this race and presenting a clear choice. you can choose between two washington deal makers or one proven consistent conservative. one week from today will be the most important night of this campaign. one week from today is super tuesday.
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11 states, alabama, alaska, arkansas, georgia, massachusetts, minnesota, oklahoma, tennessee, vermont, virginia, and the great state of texas. one week from today the most delegates that are awarded on a single day will be awarded next tuesday. the role of the first four states is to narrow the field and give super tuesday a clear choice. and now the voters can decide. if you want a president who will stop amnesty, ask yourself who has led the fight against amnesty. if you want a president who will repeal obamacare --
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[ cheers and applause ] -- ask yourself who has led the fight against obamacare. if you want a president who will stand for life and marriage and religious liberty, ask yourself who's led the fight defending life and marriage and religious liberty. if you want a president who will defend the second amendment right to keep and bear arms -- [ applause ] i've been told folks in nevada kind of like their guns. as a texan, i understand. and let me tell withdryou somet you look at those super tuesday states, they like their guns, too. and if you want to protect that second amendment to stop a liberal justice from reading the
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second amendment out of the bill of rights, ask yourself who has led the fight to defend the second amendment right to keep and bear arms. if you want to see america standing unapologetically alongside the nation of israel -- [ cheers and applause ] -- ask yourself who has led the fight to stand unshakably with the nation of israel. and if you want a president who on day one will rip to shred this catastrophic iranian nuclear deal, if you want a president who will utterly and completely destroy isis, ask yourself who has led the fight against this iranian nuclear
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deal, against radical islamic terrorism, and who is best prepared to keep america safe. elections are about choices and there are clear choices in this race. if you want more washington deals, if you want more corporate welfare, if you want more cronyism, if you want more debt, if you want fewer jobs, if you want lower wages, you got two candidates to choose from in this field. on the other hand, if you want a president that says no to the bipartisan corruption in washington, that stands up to the lobbyists and special interests, that stands up to the debt that says we will not bankrupt our kids and grandkids, we will bring back millions of high-paying jobs, we will see wages going up, we will make young people coming out of school have three, four, five
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job offers, and we will ensure that our kids and grandkids have a brighter tomorrow. a greater future. a more bountiful america. that's what this choice is about. i want to thank the great people of nevada. and i want to say i cannot wait to get home to the great state of texas. [ applause ] tonight, i'll sleep in my bed for the first time in a month. and then it will be back to the campaign trail in texas and all across super tuesday, energizing and building that reagan coalition, those courageous conservatives, libertarians, evangelicals, young people and
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reagan democrats all coming together. [ applause ] tonight, we are one step closer to morning in america. we are one step closer to turning the pages on the failures of the obama/clinton disaster and getting back to the constitution, getting back to the free market principles, getting back to the unbelievable opportunity that is the american dream. thank you, and god bless you. >> ted cruz, the texas senator who now as he said gets to go back to texas and defend home turf, really, in what can legitimately be called an onslaught by donald trump. nicolle wallace has been watching and listening from new york.
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nicolle, by my notes, a guy promised a greater future and bountiful america, why isn't he doing better? >> well, lawrence warned us correctly against looking at the percentages because these are small numbers of actual voters, but the percentages smell a very ominous end for the once hopeful cruz candidacy. 22 days ago he won the iowa caucuses largely due to the quality and the caliber of his campaign infrastructure. everything that has happened since that night has been the other side, the dark side, if you will, of that campaign caliber and infrastructure. on the night of the iowa caucus victory, he was accused of spreading rumors about ben carson dropping out of the race. he is the guy running as the character candidate. he has been hit with more attacks on his character and the character of his campaign than anyone running on either side in this cycle. and i think that what you see in
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the percentages of the vote that he's getting among evangelicals, it is insufficient to deliver him another victory, and i think elise probably knows more about texas than i do, but i would be very surprised if he pulled off anything looking like a decisive win in texas. >> elise, as lone star representative? >> i don't think it will be decisive, but i think just because of the early voting, he does -- he's not going to be completely demolished by trump, but right now ted cruz has definitely taken a lot of blows and doesn't look like he's going to recover. for so long it was so frustrating to work on another campaign and to watch, you know, a lot of the activities of ted cruz and a lot of his disingenuous positions an policy and flip-flopping around. it was really very difficult to watch and to watch him pander to being libertarian, to being super conservative, and i think that that, you know -- his flip-flopping has finally caught up with him with the voters. >> can i ask, specifically,
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coming from that perspective having worked with the rand paul campaign, you get this sense from people who are involved in this process that they feel like ted cruz has run a different kind of campaign than aeeverybo else, a different person, running a digit fferent operati. people in nevada talking openly, he's running a dirty campaign, underhanded, qualitatively different than what anyone else is doing. did you feel that on the campaign? >> what happened in iowa really blew the lid off with ben carson and with the early calls says he had, indeed -- he was going to suspend his campaign. >> trying to trick ben carson voters. >> there's just been talk that that was not an isolated incident, that that was very premeditated. who will really know when the history is ultimately written on this one day, but it certainly was not a good thing to do, and it was wrong to do and it was unfair to ben carson.
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>> it didn't feel like par to the course like everybody does something like this, it felt different. >> no, it was taking it a step too far. >> i hear you. >> the speech was interesting in a couple of ways, he did follow the advice the co-chair of his campaign had given him to not go after marco rubio. he didn't mention marco rubio. he did mention donald trump. he did say, i'm the one to beat donald trump. i think he also showed the wisdom of marco rubio's choice to be out of town and not do one of these because given one of these second and third speeches has become increasingly awkward, and marco rubio just decided, you know what, i'm not going to do one of those tonight, and there was ted cruz congratulating the winner, but not congratulating the other guy who beat him. getting to be very awkward these third. place victory speeches. >> marco rubio has turned third place speeches into victory speeches. >> he's out of material. he has run out of material on
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the victim for speech for third place. he just said i'm going to be out of town until i win one of these. >> i hear grand rapids is nice this time of year. >> all right, nicolle wallace, if this is correct give us the viewers' guide to the next couple of days especially where this axis is concerned, where trump and cruz have been targeting each other. rubio the outlier a little bit. >> well, even since we've all been talking, the same dynamic is under way. cruz and rubio are at each other's throats. i would look for a loud chorus of really brutal attacks on the character of the cruz candidacy. i think elise got to it but was generous in the way she put it. cruz is despised, and it's because of the flaws in his character. i mean, he has taken six positions on intel, not because he believes them, but because at one point he thought that paul was going to be his greatest competition for the republican nomination, so he took positions to appeal to the paul base.
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and then when he saw that, you know, maybe rubio or someone more establishment y would get it, he tried to tack back to protect himself and karma is a you know what. and cruz's has caught up with him now. i think the story coming out of >> so we won the evangelicals. we won with young. we won with old. we won with highly educated.
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we won with poorly educated. i love the poorly educated. we're the smartest people, we're the most loyal people, and you know what i really am happy about because i've been saying it for a long time, 46% with the hispanics. 46%. number one with hispanics.
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this is msnbc's coverage of the gop nevada caucus live from
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the terrace at omnia in las vegas. >> we are here in las vegas on this trip, not even 11:00 here yet, but certainly the shank of the evening in new york. 1:37 a.m. we have been talking so much about ted cruz, his performance in this state tonight. what that campaign can expect in the days ahead. let's ask our correspondent who cover f s the cruz effort, hal jackson. are they ready for what's coming? >> reporter: yeah, tuesday is a huge day, it's a big day. you can expekt donald trump will continue attacking cruz like he's been attacking him on these issues of being a liar, on issues of quote/unquote dirty tricks, you might say. a couple things stood out to me from cruz's remarks, he talked about the most important night
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of the campaign being one week from tonight. not the expectations game you might expect but the campaign, i can tell you, is feeling confident about how they will do specifically in texas. you heard the senator say he's ready to get home to texas. when he asked the campaign about how they're feeling about the fact cruz at least from our entrance polling has lost evangelicals, lost very conservatives to donald trump, the campaign, an aide telling me that that person is not losing sleep over it, talk to them on tuesday. that's sort of the campaign's line. they're feeling strong about how they'll perform in the s.e.c. primary states particularly in the south where there's a bit of a culture they believe meshes well be cruz supporters. we're talking about those conservatives, talking about those evangelicals. doesn't seem as though there will be a shift in strategy moving forward from cruz, instead his campaign is really drilling down getting really specific on congressional districts, areas where they believe they can either hold marco rubio below the delegate threshold, or take it to trump and try to win over some of those delegates. and play out this game over the
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next seven days. really crucial for ted cruz, guys, as he, himself, very explicitly acknowledged tonight. >> fascinating. it's never a good sign when a candidate is saying, hold on, we're going to my home state. but the fact that it's not just the home state of texas -- >> reporter: part of it is he probably want the to sleep in his own bed, yeah. >> i can imagine. you know, and this has been a long campaign already for all of these guys and so heading home to texas i'm sure is good for him, but it will be very interesting to see if ted cruz is able to compete in other southern states and it's such an unusual spray of states that were heading into for super tuesday. >> it is. >> we've never had this exact array. everything from alaska to alabama, to vermont and a lot of states in between. a lot of southern states. ted cruz was right in his speech we he said a rlot of the states the electorate is going to be second amendment motivated electorate. we don't know how donald trump will play on that.
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that's why he started talking about his son's membership of the nra. >> ted cruz would not be heading home tonight because he has texas wrapped up and there's nothing in doubt in texas so what texas is now doing, that tightening with trump, it's taking ted cruz away from states he needs to be spending time in to win on that same day that he needs to win texas. he's not defending in texas, something he never thought he'd have to. >> it's an absolute must-win. >> as we said, closest thing we've had as of yet to a national primary. chris matthews patiently waiting at new york, new york following our entire discussion these past few minutes. chris? >> yeah, rachel, what rachel just said was great -- you know the guy's got problems if he says i'm heading home to my state. it reminds me, after you lose the first two games in the word serious and the manager always says we're going home now, we're going to win at home. you'll still be down 2-1. i want to thank, by the way, a little housekeeping here i should say, mgm resorts has been
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great to have you here. as you notice, guys, for more than a week now out here on the street. we should thank them for letting us use the street. it's a great organization. new york, new york. you feel like you're in new york. i'll pitch it a little bit. i want to say something a little bit. you've gone back to my speech writing days. what's really telling, quickly tonight, looking at the two speeches we just saw, trump and then cruz. cruz talks like he's at a desk somewhere. i'm going to -- i'm not going to sign an amnesty bill, i'm going to vote -- i'm going to veto an obamacare bill, i'm going to name judge -- he's like sitting behind a desk somewhere like a legislator voting on stuff. he's a government man. even though he's a right winger, he's a man of government, endure work. trump is completely different. he doesn't talk about the government. he talks about the country. he talks about the country all the time. you have a country or don't. he says either we have a country or we don't. he's big. he talks about how we're note
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going to get kicked around anymore, have pride in our country. he's running for head of the country and this little guy, cruz, is running for what? to be the chief executive of the bills that pass his desk. it's so small. it's not grand. it's not yjoyous. it's not important. we saw a lot in speeches to tell you why cruz is doing what he's doing heading back to alamo you have to say to defend himself back there whereas trump is marching on. he's speaking big about the country. trump, it's always at his heart about our country and whether you dislike everything he says about it, he's appealing to the sense of country better than any of the others are including hillary. back to you guys. >> all right. chris matthews down the block. to our viewers, we want to let you know, we're assembling a small -- >> very small. >> -- group of our correspondents who have come off the streets out of caucus locations and ballrooms, with a
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little trail mix to tell us -- >> this is how we learn everything that's going on with the events and with the campaigns. we get all of our information both on camera and off camera particularly off camera from these guys in terms of what's going on. being able to bring them together, get them all in one place, have them debrief us on the real state of the race you can see from up close is invaluable and we don't get to do it very off but we're about to do it here. >> and some of our reporters you've come to know and love right after this.
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welcome back to the strip in las vegas. before we sign off from here, it's very important to hear from a very good friend of ours. a woman who made a lot of fantastic contributions to our coverage the last time we were at this, and again tonight. and that is nicolle wallace, our silent sentinel holding down the fort in new york. >> i was waiting to see who you were talking about. i was like, who could this be? thank you. >> we have a service grouping here we'll explain in a moment, but i need to hear your wit and wisdom one last time. as they say on tv, what have we just learned tonight? >> well, listen, my phone's been blowing up the last 45 minutes with three messages. one, why are you still awake, two, i think this thing is over, and three, are we all going to be okay? i mean, i think this thing is over.
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i hope we're all going to be okay. and i would only stay up for the two of you. >> wow. we feel the same way. we're only going to do this if we know you're there. and hopefully next time we'll be smushed together. nicolle. safe home. thank you very much. you have young family members at home. i'm with the what are you still doing up camp. it's really late where you are. >> thank you, guys. >> to explain why we're in the bottle services area. katy tur just came off the road, h hallie trying to get to us. >> this is rush hour in las vegas. >> you're missing the best part of the day as my mother used to say. chilling to hear this is over. >> i think this is over. i've been to these rallies in the south and he gets these crowds, crowds like you're got seeing anywhere else. people -- >> i keep mentioning mobile,
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alabama. >> mobile, alabama, had 20,000-plus people, 20,000-plus people. that was in august. those are general election sized crowds and he was getting them, you know, over a year before the election. he gets those crowds in arkansas. he gets those crowds in ohio. 10,000 in ohio where john kasich is governor. he gets thou s those crowds in , in texas. >> he gets big crowds in vermont and massachusetts. >> he does. >> there isn't a place in the country where he isn't playing right now to a republican electorate. >> absolutely. i've said this over and over again. he's won in the north, won in the south, won in the far west. he's cutting across all the voting blocs. there isn't one voting bloc for donald trump. ted cruz is going after the evangelic evangelicals. donald trump is going after everybody. >> we see how he is changing as a candidate, how he changes his message. elise was talking earlier about how his message matures, he's agile with the way he can sort of, you know, target what he's talking about.
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has he campaign actually matured as well? meaning have they grown and gotten stronger in a way they're going to be able to handle the general election if he is the nominee? which it looks like he will be. >> they're going to have the benefit of the rnc behind them and that could help them in a lot of ways and also could hurt them. he's been running this nontraditional campaign where he's not listening to anybody, doesn't have any polling, not taking funding. >> no pollster. >> he goes on social media to find out what his people are saying or what the people are saying. and the rnc comes with baggage. i mean, that they come with don. he's running off a campaign that is self-funded. we're going to see how that plays out. the campaign matured in a sense they have control on their candidate and control over the media message. they have clamped down with everybody in the press. br you can't get a word out of them most days. the simplest things. what is your ground game like in texas? no comment.
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they don't like talking about anything. >> they can't control their candidate entirely. we saw jacob get a donald trump interview -- >> at the user end of all this normally. you're where the rubber meets the road where the ballots are cast and tonight you got the candidate. >> i've heard you, katy, talks about how this man breaks, you, rachel, brian, this man breaks every political rule in the book. today he literally broke the rules of the machinery of democracy. showed up in the middle of an election. people left their ballots on the table, ran across the room to see the guy. who knows if they went back and put the ballot in the box. i don't even know if they cared. people wanted to see the guy, touch him, feel him. i don't know what he wanted to do at that place because he was taking votes away from himself by showing up there. >> one of the things you reported right when we went to you, it was chaotic in that moment, we went to you as you realized he was walking in the door. it was so great. what you said before that happened is glenn beck is here speaking on behalf of ted cruz.
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>> probably thought he was the biggest big shot in the room and donald trump walk in the room. donald trump likes your charts on your show. he loves your charts. >> beautiful charts. >> after if she's toiling -- forgive me, in graphics department by day. >> you do make the graphics, right? >> oh, well, you know, i don't like to brag. he just likes them because he put a picture on them instead of just the name. he likes the picture. just to be clear, was glenn beck actively giving his spiel for ted cruz when trump walked in? >> no doubt about it. everybody basically, here's glenn beck, then everybody goes donald trump. glenn beck, it was one of these kind of moments for glenn beck tonight. >> wow, he was already calling on people to fast. >> yeah. >> for ted cruz. he also said that god killed antonin scalia in order to make ted cruz supreme court justice. >> what? >> i can't imagine what this is going to do to his world view. >> look what happened tonight. today, the republicans on the
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judiciary committee all signed a letter saying we want the next president to choose the next supreme court justice. >> a big story today that we didn't talk about tonight. >> tomorrow morning in washington, what that means from their perspective is we are saying we want donald trump to choose the next supreme court justice and that can become a really important, much more important issue than you'd normally expect it to be. >> i wonder if they'll still feel that way tomorrow northern. >> pure partisan terms they'd rather have donald trump pick somebody even if they hate donald trump and can't imagine them as the standard bearer, they'd rather that than have this president pick somebody. >> elise, let's talk home states before we two. i feel bad about the florida thing earlier tonight. i'm giving you a free pass. we have two home states coming up. florida and texas. and we have a juggernaut of a trump campaign. any last requests on your part? >> i still think cruz is going to come out ahead in texas.
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>> what about florida, though? >> florida for rubio is just not looking very good. they absolutely have to have florida if they're going anywhere. and it's part of their march 15th let's win these three of the winner take all states and rack up a bunch of delegates quickly. unfortunately, they've got a long way to go if they're going to make that actually happen. >> there's still plenty of reasons to hang in here, there's a lot of proportional states coming up and they're -- look, rubio picked up delegates tonights so did cruz pick up delegates. trump's maybe going to pick up 15 if he gets all the way up to 50% here. the other guys are picking up delegates and they're not going to -- why would they give this up if they believe if it still looks like they could actually drive this thing all the way to the convention and deny trump the number of delegates he needs going into the convention? why wouldn't they take it to the convention if they could? >> a couple of things before we go. number one, about what becomes our portable workplace on the road on this unseasonably cold
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night in the middle of the strip in las vegas. it may not matter much to the folks at home but it matters greatly to us that at noon today, this was just a porch where people hung out. none of this was here. we made television tonight thanks in large part to our incredible folks who fly from long island city, new york -- >> amen. >> -- and arrive here like an invading electronic coffee-fueled army and set up and the circus moves on the next day and the next day. so there's that. also to our hosts here at cesar's palace. i was looking into the history. this is where evel knievel jumped the fountain. celine dion is back. jerry lewis did his first telethon. for this, my colleagues, thanks and good night from las vegas.
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we are back, temporary studio, anchor location finds us on finds us in the heart of the strip on an uncommonly cold evening in las vegas. we are at caesar's palace covering the g.o.p. caucus in nevada. donald trump has racked up another state, another victory in the election train that keeps rolling on. donald trump, the projected winner in nevada. there is his, now, victory celebration, his election headquarters at the treasure island casino not far from here. here is how we characterize the rest of the race. we can say only that rubio leads cruz for second.
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rachel maddow this is notable not because it is a surprise but another achievement in this race that has just stumped the punditocracy. no one predicted this years ago. this crowd is absorbing this information. big picture here we have two people, two people only who have won primaries or caucuses so far. ted cruz won iowa but since then, trump in south carolina and trump in new hampshire. this is a dominant performance by the republican front runner. this is donald trump's race to lose. >> confounding to what remains of the g.o.p. establishment. there's the rest of the field. and while we have projected donald trump as the victor in
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nevada, rubio leads cruz for second and that is -- i know this board shows something different, but rubio leads cruz for second in our latest count with 3% in though they're one tick apart in percentage. to katy tur we go at trump headquarters. >> as you can imagine the people in this crowd are excited to get the news that donald trump is projected to be the winner of nevada. he has now won the moderate northeast and the religious south and now won the far west. this is important when it comes to delegates but potentially more important when it comes to momentum. trump trmp has projected himself as a winner since the start of the campaign and he has won three of the last four contests. it's important to note even with the loss in iowa he got a record
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number of gop votes save for ted cruz more than hum bee -- huckabee or santorum. and with marco rubio coming in second here, ted cruz is getting more diminished by each contest. it's now becoming more important for him to win texas, recent polling is showing him up there but donald trump does believe he has a very good chance of winning there. he's been bragging about this to his crowds saying that ted cruz is nasty. he believes those attacks on him are sticking and believes that ted cruz firing rick tyler was a bad move and shows a weakness and donald trump is saying he could potentially win texas which would be a devastating blow to ted cruz. there is talk that donald trump could sweep super tuesday which would mean a heck of a lot of delegates, guys, the campaign
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feeling good right now, feeling positive and just waiting for next week essentially. >> unbelievable, katy tur that would turn the political world upside down. chris matthews watching and listening with the rest of us. in addition to everything we have said tonight this is a candidate who is incredibly media savvy about when and where to appear. last time he did this during a saturday night victory celebration he had already sampled the analysis, reporting on his victory. he already had his critiques ready. he watches an insane amount of especially television coverage, especially the cable networks and usually ready for a rebuttal all in a piece with his victory. >> you nailed it correctly. last saturday night i pointed
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out if you added up all the opposition to trump and if they were peeled off from bush and the rest and went to rubio that would be a big challenge to trump. he didn't like that analysis and fair enough. i think that is an analysis that is correct however what he knew and is beginning to be true now is they are not getting together. there is not a coalescing of the opposition to trump. what you are seeing tonight -- i've said this before. this didn't begin with trump. it began with the 2010 election and you saw this growing anger at the country's political establishn't many. it took root in the tea party but bigger than that. all these members of congress that came to washington to vote against people like john boehner. when you see the imp tense of the republican establishment tonight, what you have been seeing you have been seeing for years now. people like john boehner were thrown out of their jobs and paul ryan will not be powerful.
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what is powerful is the anger at the grass roots against the political establishment and more against the republican establishment which is almost defeated now. trump is the name for their pain. the right wing, the angry people of the country have been trying to find a leader. they have found one. his name is donald trump. he is the name for their pain. when he makes fun of their politics and their very beings, it's always their weakness he makes fun of. he is expressing the anger of a large group of americans. it's not a majority and not even a majority of the republican party but as the active part of the republican party just like bernie sanders is the passionate left he is the passionate right. and bernie is in a fight with hillary, this guy looks like he has won the fight tonight again. >> thank you, to new york and nicole wallace we go.
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chris is right as he often is, zeroing in on anger at the center, the kind of unifying theme here, the trump phrase is make america great again. assumption, implication that all we've been told before the super bowl, all these years is wrong when the eagle flies across the field, half the super bowl commercials start with that premi premise. it must be broken and return it to the prior greatness, whatever it is, when katy tur says there is a whiff of this guy take super tuesday, it's a breathtaking notion. >> it is. but it is also the culmination of a seven-month campaign that has been waged that we talked about 17 people were in this race at one point and when they have gone toe to toe with trump, when the choice has been trump and the entire field, the entire field appears weak compared to
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donald trump. and i think you know, we talked for months about a battle for the heart and soul of the republican party. that phase is over. i think our hearts and souls have nothing to do with it at this point. this is now about our stomach. can we stomach an ugly fight with trump? you would have to get down in the mud to wage a battle on his level because he fights dirty. but the very thing that may make people in the northeast corridor blush is what draws people to him. people look at trump as the fix. they think we have overcorrected in the area of political correctness and they think he may be extreme. he is deeply flawed but they think he would bring us back to a more reasonable place and this idea that, you know, all of his supporters are angry, all of his supporters support the ugliest thing he says is really an unfair thing to label all of his
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supporters with. a lot of the supporters are simply in it for the shakeup. >> one of the things that we have seen in the entrance polls tonight over 90% of people turning out for this republican caucus tonight said they were angry or dissatisfied with the government, over 90%. it will remain to be seen how that maps on to the support for donald trump in this -- in these results tonight. but in terms of how donald trump put together this victory tonight, steve has some of that data in terms of who he wont tonight and how sweeping a victory it was. >> we can take a look at what numbers the trump coalition in nevada is. those who call themselves very conservative that's a big part of the electorate here, donald trump winning them over ted cruz. ted cruz has been targeting this group of voters across the country. he is losing it to donald trump
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tonight. and somewhat conservative, a large chunk of voters here. a bigger trump win. there are moderate republicans not insignificant chunk of the electorate. a 30-point win. donald trump a lot of him look at him on immigration, he is doing the best again among moderate voters and rubio, he jumps up and down. he does better with moderates. cruz is jumping around but trump is stable. he wins again. white evangelical voters. he did it in south carolina and here by a larger margin. this is the group that the ted cruz campaign has been built on. and college/noncollege, donald trump does better with those who doesn't have college degrees. rubio does well among noncollege. a huge win for donald trump. he gets half the vote tonight. there's also this question of
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when did voters make up their mind. those who just made up their minds today, marco rubio did get a light plurality of them. and the most encouraging for marco rubio is the next one, those who said in the last few days made up their minds, rubio clearly winning this group. this is what the rubio people have been saying. since south carolina republicans may look at the race anew and start siding with rubio. there are some -- this is a very big trump win tonight. there is an indication that voters gave rubio a second look in the last few days. but look at this number, those who made up their minds more than a month ago, more than half of the electorate today and more than 60% voting for donald trump. what i can't emphasize enough is that the coalition that donald trump has put together here and we have seen it in the other states he has won is within the
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republican party a broad coalition. them compasses multiple groups of people, id logically, the type of republicans that the establishment have been scared of in the past is a factional candidates. this is a candidate with a broad appeal across the board in the republican party. >> we are sitting here nodding at every new data point. it's just such an impressive collection of numbers. >> it's a very impressive win is what it means. there is a little bit of -- especially bad news for ted cruz in these numbers and a tiny glimmer of good news for marco rubio. the bad news for ted cruz is like the problem he had in south carolina, a guy who built his campaign on winning very conservative voters and white evangelical voters. his margin in south carolina was troublingly small. he was plus six with the voters
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and lost evangelicals to donald trump. if what steve said is borne out tonight and ted cruz is losing evangelicals and the conservatives to donald trump that is devastating. for marco rubio, the news that people who made up their minds in the last couple of days made up their minds most recently did break toward marco rubio more than any other candidate and that is -- that's got to be a sign of real momentum even if he doesn't get close to winning. >> and lawrence o'donnell with us, the folks who decided a month ago, that firm bedrock we're going for trump when the caucus comes to our state we're going for donald trump. this is just impressive for any politician. >> but he hasn't really picked up real votes since a month ago. the late deciders in south
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carolina went for rubio and cruz. trump is 59% disapproval rate. the highest disapproval rate any front runner for a nomination has ever had. we can mislead the country when steve talks about broad based within the republican party. the republican party is a small, minority political party in the united states. 28%. that's what it is. it's a little group. and so, he might have broad appeal within that little group, he does. he does have broad appeal in that little group. what you are not seeing out of any of these results is general election appeal, the ability for that candidate to go out and change minds in a general election toward him. >> and is it not fair to ask about his ability to change the campaign direction and verbiage of the democratic's campaign? >> he is trying to moderate his
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positions and it will be easier if him. some of his positions are not that extreme. praising planned parenthood, pro eminent domain. what i find what most interesting about tonight is that rubio was able to close the gap with cruz and possibly is going to get second place. that shows that rubio over the past week really did level effective attacks against cruz. could rubio do the same with donald trump? that's the question going forward. cruz has a difficult path. he's going to win texas. early voting started in january before his south carolina downturn. i'm not thinking that cruz will lose texas. >> he has a ton of money. >> exactly. >> and the co chair of cruz's campaign was quoted as saying earlier tonight that he has had vised cruz to stop attacking marco rubio. go directly to donald trump.
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they believe there are people in the cruz campaign that the fight between cruz and rubio is being won in effect by rubio. move toward the bigger target. >> have a different fight if you are losing the one you are in. >> regardless of your politicians, what an election cycle we get to cover again tonight. we're going to go to a break by watching the trump ballroom event at the treasure island casino just down the strip from us, within view of us as is the trump building. this is certainly a night of continued treasure for trump. when he appears we will come back even if it means busting out of a commercial break. please stay with us.
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if you were with us at the top of the hour you saw we were able to project to call the race. nbc news projecting when all the caucus votes are counted in nevada, donald trump will have stitched together, put together, compiled yet another impressive win on what could be a very long march this election season. it's the rest of the race we're watching very closely right now. as you see, 6% in, rubio, 25, cruz, 20 percentage wise. we'll be watching this all evening long. >> the other important part of the nbc call tonight in the race for second place, marco rubio is leading ted cruz. don't extrapolate from the numbers on your screen because it's only 6% in. but the nbc characterization is that rubio is leading cruz for
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second but that second place call has not yet been made. let's go to holly jackson who is traveling with the ted cruz campaign and is at cruz campaign hq in las vegas. i heard you say earlier that the cruz campaign was hoping for a top three finish tonight here in nevada which is not very ambitious. they were just trying to beat john kasich and ben carson. what is the mood there at cruz campaign. what are you hearing from them? >> low key at the event here but i got off the phone with a campaign aid who said they feel like the campaign worked hard in nevada and could be in contention for a strong third or close to second with marco rubio although the numbers are still so early is a good thing. but most interestingly they have their sights set on march 1st. they are talk about the other campaigns running what are strong and aggressive operations
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so this is going to be in their view a very competitive race. so the sense overall in the cruz campaign is they needed to win one of the first few states or at least do well in the first three states. they got the win in iowa and did well in new hampshire, for them that is enough until you turn the corner to this new phase and head into texas where cruz has about three times the number of volunteers as in other states. 27,000 folks have signed on to that campaign. they are looking to compete there and to do well, really across the board in the southern nominating contests. >> one of the other internals tonight that has to be some concern to the ted cruz campaign is this news from the exit polls that looks like trump is winning the conservatives and white evangelicals. the way the rest of the world is
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looking at the cruz campaign we expect that they're aiming to lock up very conservative and white evangelical votes in every state that they can. how disappointing is that part of this result for them? >> that is a concern especially coming off south carolina, and it has been made clear that the cruz campaign wants to lock up those votes. he is talking about bringing in the conservative values and in south carolina ted cruz did best among voters who wanted a candidate who shared their conservative values. donald trump is winning over a broad coalition and that is something that the cruz campaign needs to be worried about and if they want to execute on their strategy to bring together tea partiers and the libertarians.
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>> holly jackson thank you very much from the ymca which is the chosen location for the ted cruz rally. we continue to watch the trump event. the moment he comes to the podium we'll go there. jane robinson is watching from washington. i have missed the lock on your face. eugene as we usually turn to you with each trump win and margin. go ahead, eugene. >> i should have been taking selfies all evening, i guess. i guess it's always better to win. it's a huge night for donald trump and we'll see coming out of nevada, i think, frankly whether the rubio and cruz campaigns are capable of learning. once again they spent the week
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attacking each other and got creamed by donald trump. i think it's going to go this way. it doesn't seem like they are gaping a lot of ground. there are stories that each campaign can tell to itself to paint this as a moral victory of some county but if they are battling for second and third they are going to lose. they have to break out of the cycle somehow and the super tuesday states look like ferretal territory for donald trump, frankly. the number -- the evangelicals number clearly bad for cruz but evangelicals don't also necessarily vote as a block. but the idea that very conservative voters are not sticking with ted cruz or voting for ted cruz but going for donald trump, that is awful nude for the cruz campaign. they should be deeply concerned about that. that has to be his base and if
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he doesn't have it, what does he have? >> by some standards, this has not been a particularly dirty election season. we just got through south carolina with nothing near what people had feared would go on down there. perhaps because people are now empowered, deputized. we have more watchdogs watching the candidates and their operatives. if you are the cruz campaign how do you make the case as you go on, i wear we're not the dirty campaign. and we're going to be better going forward? >> well, this is a different media environment, especially social media. it's very difficult once tainted that way and his campaign has been tainted in that manner as a dirty campaign though not by historical standards. it's difficult to get rid of it.
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everything that happens now he's going to have to explain. so you know, that's a continuing problem for him. what a fascinating year, though. i mean, i do think that in a sense this trump phenomenon is more of a result than a generous cause. it has a good deal to doo do with trump and his personality but more to do with undercurrents that are happening within the republican party and beyond the republican party the dissatisfaction with politics and the political class. i think we are seeing it in spades this year. and it's most unpredictable cycle i have ever seen. >> by the way as we look at the shot showing us eugene from washington, we don't point this out enough, but that capital
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dome behind eugene, such a familiar sight, that is scheduled -- a massive and expensive process, it's scheduled to be done in time for our next president to put% hand on the baseball and be sworn into office. that's a lot of work between now and then but so is getting the nomination and getting elected. as always, another break for us. we'll continue.
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we are back. there have been election nights in donald trump's recent triumphs where he has come out to address his supporters sooner than this following the declaration of victory by the tv networks. when we see them we're going to go immediately for him. for the time being we're going to steve kornacki that has a sub set of the nevada voter turnout. >> this is interesting because of the emphasis of donald trump's campaign on immigration. and this is the first time in the republican race you have a significant chunk of the republican electorate that is nonwhite. it is in double digits in nevada. just under 10% of the electorate
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here is latino or hispanic. donald trump is winning hispanic voters on the republican side in nevada. this is 10% of the electorate. trump, 44 and rubio is 29. that is the same spread with white voters in nevada. an interesting tidbit there. i imagine this is something he might try to make something out of. and among those who said immigration is the most important thing in the race, trump won there too. >> the total number of latinos voting in this tonight may be around 1500, 1600 people. so trump's count of that might be 800 out of a population of
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800,000 latinos. when we throw up a raw percentage like that we can get a wrong idea of thing a tuesday of what happened. >> the state as a whole is 28, 30% latino and you think of the numbers who are republicans and you think about voter turnout. >> we know who won the latino vote in this state. hillary clinton did it. and i mean it's just one of those things where the percentages suggest something beginner. >> another ambulance to keep with on the streets of nempbz. let's go to chris matthews. >> we're back right now. we have sue loudoun here. she ran for the senate. and you should have been the nominee. you would have won. you went from being a precinct
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leader to sanity manager fixing the problems. >> it was huge. the turnout was so big and we had others in my precinct who could cover for me as the precinct leader. i was pulled to resolve some problems such as they weren't on our voter registration forms. >> will it me ask about your sate i'm going to try to figure this out. characterize why you were or were not surprised of trump's big win here. were you surprised by the magnitude of it? >> i was. because i knew that rubio's campaign and the cruz campaign were very, very organized and had been here a long time on the ground organized. >> why were they wiped out then? >> i think people are just angry and they wanted to show how frustrated they are. and they turned out in droves. i mean it was unbelievable.
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>> we cover every comment, every spurt out of trump every bad thing with the pope. the stuff that most times we would just say politically incorrect. and people just don't care. >> we had a lot of women and minorities voting for him and trump employees caucusing for him. it was unbelievable to watch. people are devoted. they are just absolutely devoted. >> not union guys. >> no. >> i did meet billy the other day one of the guys who drives his cars. he likes him. but there is an issue of labor management there. >> we had employees at bonanza high school caucusing for him and spoke about that. >> and i want to talk about the
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failure of the republican leadership. sheldoned aleson, the biggest guy here was going to be the big leader. he was going to back rubio. he hasn't done it. this is where it hasn't happened for rubio. >> there's not the kind of ruthless leadership of the republican party as in the democratic party. harry reid rules with an iron fist. the kind of guy brian sandoval is he doesn't want to get down with the party stuff and tonight he caucuses for marco rubio and says this is not an endorsement. he doesn't want to get into it either. you have a party now and it was like 83% very conservative or somewhat consecutive. >> the unwillingness of the party establishment like you to really get down and dirty with
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trump. the top guys, the governors won't come out and say this guy must not be the nominee. they never shall we vote. >> sandoval is not that kind of guy. he wants to act like a federal judge. >> and what about the people offended by trump? >> i don't think that the establishment are offended. i think all the so-called establishment elected to the republican party are very open minded to whatever the people want. >> so the party is just a vehicle? >> i think so. can i say who caucused with me tonight, sheldoned aleson. >> did you see him vote? >> no. i did not see him vote. >> i hear she is for cruz and he is for rubio. >> this goes back to what you
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were saying earlier there, is no establishment that's fractured. >> ryan and rachel what we are seeing is what we are seeing across the cup. the lack of reality or fervor or commitment of the republican establishment to stand up to trump. they worry about it and you know, worry. and here he is winning and nobody puts together an organization to stop. have you heard from lance prebice tonight. i don't see man in the republican leadership exercising leadership yet, right? >> i disagree i think they are letting the people vote. >> you know, that's leadership. >> a lack of reality says the man sitting 30 feet from a plywood brooklyn bridge not far
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from the plywood mirage. thank you very much. we're going to fit in one more break here. what we're not going to stop looking at is the barroom where donald trump is expected. if he walks out while we are on a break we will come out of the break and join him live. we'll be back light after this.
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the ballroom at the treasure island casino and hotel. everyone awaiting donald trump's appearance. something has kept him from that audience thus far. we'll go there the minute we'll see him. >> he will be giving his victory speech in a couple of minutes. it will be interesting to see what other candidates will give speeches tonight. will we hear from marco rubio or ted cruz and at what point.
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how deep do we have to get into reporting the results before we hear from them. we shall see. one of the things that were just discussed there, the issue of nevada's very popular republican governor brian sandoval who has been weirdly invisible in this primary process. the ted cruz campaign, someone who was associated with the ted cruz campaign said today that governor brian sand val in nevada is toxic waste and his endorsement would be a disaster for anyone who received it. i am paraphrasing there everything september the toxic waste part of it. my question is what that says about the republican party. brian sandoval might be the most popular republican in the country but the presidential
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campaign has come to town and ted cruz says it would be a disaster to get an endorsement from him. >> i believe the governor voted for rubio. >> he caucused for rubio and said it is not an endorsement. >> they were trying to deflect it. and you wonder why the cruz campaign is accused of dirty tactics. it is that attitude that is pervasive through the campaign and we saw it this week with cruz firing rick tyler. i think that is an attitude that comes from the top. and his behave with the rubio video, it's just a pattern within the cruz campaign of dirty tricks and deception. >> with the sandoval thing it shows the reason party at war with itself. >> this is the rush limbaugh republican party. rush's job has been to keep republicans in law. there were a few years there in
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the '90s and in the early 2000s where a republican senator or house member would say something and discover that rush limbaugh was attacking him for saying that on his radio show and before sunset that house member would have changed his position back to the rush limbaugh position. when people say that the win tonight was not a month in the making. it is 25 years of rush limbaugh radio and the other shows that he has spawned that donald trump now personifies. this is rush limbaugh running for president. with exactly the same level of accuracy which is to say wild inaccuracy all the time without ever being held by the audience or the trump supporters and voters for being wrong and
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proven wrong every day, this is right wing talk radio come to a candidacy. >> can i bring this before the court of nicole wallace. >> i love listening to lawrence and chris as they analyze the republican party. but i know a little about the republican party and the notion that sue loudoun trusts the will of the voters is one of the greatest strengths of the republican party. most look at the super delegate process as a corruption way for hillary clinton and the party leaders to put the finger on the scale against bernie sanders who most grassroots liberals adore. so it makes me chuckle up here
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alone in new york. but the notion that sue loudoun's explanation that her hair is not on fire with trump because she respects the will of the voter. marco rubio is in a death match for his political survival but he said on sunday that at the end of the day he trusts the will of the voters. this might be a mars/venus thing but the notion that we are not running around like lunatics because the will of the voters is landing on someone who confounds liberals is making me giggle up here. >> you did drive your -- >> i said this is basically the extension of the rush limbaugh radio show. chris is talking about why doesn't the organization of the party crush this candidate. you can only crash another
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candidacy with another candidate. they don't have a candidate so far who can stop this candidacy. >> listening to the coverage all day, this notion we've talked about it here tonight coalescing, the calls that will go out to the lesser candidates who are taking up space, uniting around an establishment candidate. this was going on right up till game time tonight. >> and it's still going on. the rubio campaign said there has never been so much coalescing in the history of politics as around them in the last 47 hours. i don't know how i feel about the word but we'll hear more of it in the coming days. but the notion of this means that the process will result with someone who is not competitive with hillary clinton is the falsehood and the notion that our voters and party would be wrong in their choice. my point is that the process has
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been democratic. and you know, rush limbaugh has 38 million viewers every day. a lot of people respond to his wax against political correctness. there is a parallel between those attacks on political correctness. i sweat and you know, i'm uncomfortable by a lot of things that trump says but he has that thing we talked about. winneriness. >> the trump voters are wrong about simple things. 66% believe that president obama is muslim and 60% believe he is not a citizen. they're wrong. >> be that as it may the devices are aloft. >> we love nevada. >> here's donald trump. >> this is a great place. thank you. >> trump, trump, trump, trump,
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trump, trump, trump, trump, trump, trump, trump -- >> thank you very much. great evening. we will be celebrating for a long time tonight. have a good time. have a good time. you know, we weren't expected a couple months ago we weren't expected to win this one. we weren't. of course if you listen to the pundits we weren't expected to win too much. and now we're winning, winning, winning, and soon the country will start winning, winning, winning. so i want to thank the volunteers. they've been unbelievable. these people they work endlessly. we're not going to forget it. and we've had some great numbers coming out of texas. and amazing numbers coming out of tennessee and georgia. and arkansas.
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and then in a couple of weeks later, florida. we love florida. so we're going to do very well in ohio. we're beating the governor. it's always nice to be beating the governor and michigan, the whole thing. it's going to be an amazing two months. we might not even need the two months, folks, to be honest, all right? so tonight we had 45, 46% and tomorrow you'll be hearing, you know, if they could just take the other candidates and add them up. and if you could add them up because you know the other candidates amount to 55%. so if they could just -- they keep forgetting when people drop out we're going to get a lot of votes. they keep forgetting. they don't say it. so i want to begin by thanking
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my boys. erik has been all over the place making speeches. he is getting better than me. i'm a little jealous. and don went up to elko. this is serious rifle. this is serious nra, both of them. we love the second amendment, folks. nobody loves it more than us. just remember that. and cory and hope, the staff and the whole group and charles and dan, and what a group we have. it's just been amazing. i want to just thank a couple of friends of mine that are here. the owner of this incredible hotel, mr. and mrs. phil ruffin. stand up great guy. he said i want to put 10 million dollars into your campaign.
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i said i don't want your money. every time i see him it's hard for me to turn down money. that's not what i have done my whole life. i get greedy and now i tell you what we're going to do. we get greedy right? we're going to get greedy for the united states. we're going to grab and grab and grab and swing in so much money and everything and make america great again, folks. we're going to make america great again. and a great friend of mine and phil, too. mr. and mrs. steve wynn. stand up, steve. two great people. steve is always calling. he's always got advice. donald, i think you ought to do this and that. his advice i like to listen to. so phil and steve and families, we appreciate it.
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you have been great friends. so -- this was very exciting tonight. but i'll tell you it looks like we won a lot of evangelicals. and i have to tell you, pastor jeffrus has been so incredible on television and elsewhere. and liberty university. do we love liberty university? jerry falwell jr., an unbelievable guy and he has been with us and with us from the beginning. and i want to thank jerry and his family it's been amazing the relationship. we won the evangelicals, we won with young, we won with old. we won with highly educated. we won with poorly educated. we're the smartest people and the most loyal people and you know what i really am happy about? i've been saying it for a long time.
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46% were the hispanics. 46%. number one with hispanics. i'm really happy about that. >> trump, trump, trump, trump, trump, trump, trump, trump, trump. >> thank you. so i'm very proud of you. this is an amazing night. i love the country. i love the country. we're going -- we're going in the wrong direction. we're going to keep as you know, by the way, keeping that open. and load it up with bad dudes out there. we're going to have our borders nice and strong and build the wall. you know that. we're going to build the wall. and i have a lot of respect for mexico. and we won hispanics. but let me tell you, mexico is
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going to pay for the wall, right? going to happen. going to happen. they know it. i know it. we all know it. we have a tremendous deficit. we have a trade deficit with mexico, they will be very halfy with it. they will be thrilled to be paying for the wall. we're going to be the smart people. we're not going to be the people that are pushed around all over the place. you're going to be proud of your president and you've going to be even prouder of your country, okay? so tonight, folks, this was a great evening. i love this place. i love this state. i love las vegas i have spent and invested so much money over here, trump international hotel. we have the best hotel in las vegas. he's fighting me all the time. but i just want to say it's a
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great state and they have great people and i was so proud. i went to caucus. i was always over the place tonight. the people are amazing. the enthusiasm, it was unbelievable to see. the people of this opportunity are absolutely amazing. i love you folks very much. remember, make america great again. we're going to do it and it's going to happen fast. thank you very much, everybody. thank you. thank you very much. we love you. we love you. thank you. thank you. >> usa, usa, usa, usa, usa -- >> there you have your victor in the nevada caucus flanked by some of the men in his family and the secret service protection that has become a constant in his life these last few weeks. donald trump will move on, so
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will the campaign and in the mash up of donald trump quotes that everyone has seen 20 times, that probably are designed to be punishing or offputting, i love the poorly educated. >> i read it as well. >> going into the hopper tonight. none has mattered to the poorly educated. >> i get greedy greedy greedy and now we're getting greedy country. >> and about his country we're going to bring in so much money and so much everything. >> yeah. and the crowd goes wild. yeah. it's -- you know the donald
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trump on tphenomenon in the republican party it's the party seeing itself in the mirror and not the way it expected to. they didn't expect to fall in republican voters really have. it's not a fluke. >> coming up here we are at 1:00 a.m. in the east and 10:00 p.m. in las vegas. as nbc news two hours ago now awarded projected that donald trump would be the victor tonight. he has now accepted. it's the rest of the race. one hour ago, i'm putting more time between us, than the decision than there was. one hour ago. 30 delegates at stake here. but that's been a fraught subject and a complex bit of math. it's the undercard that it's second and third that has proven so interesting tonight. would you like to reintroduce our guests? >> i shall. i should also note jeb bush is still on our board although jeb bush has technically dropped out

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