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now. thanks for watching. we'll see you tomorrow. and good morning. i'm steve kornacki live in a chilly las vegas. on the las vegas strip. you can put another one in the books for donald trump. the billionaire rolls to a huge victory in the nevada caucuses. his third victory in a row. at last count trump was winning 46% of the vote here, by far the largest percentage for any of the candidates in that republican race. nearly a two to one lead over marco rubio, his nearest competitor, who ease way back in a distant second at 24%. ted cruz behind him at 21%. for trump this could be the tip of the iceberg because the primaries start coming fast and furious now. trump is leading in just about all of them. next tuesday it is super tuesday. voters will be heading to the polls in 11 states. nearly 600 delegates will be at
stake and trump is ahead virtually across the board in all of those states, almost all of those states right now. his opponents say they can start to stop him soon but their biggest enemy may be simple momentum. if trump keeps winning like he did last night, how long is it going to be before republican voters decide he is simply inevitable? >> we love nevada. we love nevada. thank you. thank you. >> i know i can win this election. you know who else knows i can win this election? the democrats know i can win this election. >> i cannot wait to get home to the great state of texas. >> it's going to be an amazing two months. >> one week from today will be the most important night of this campaign. >> we might not even need the two months, folks, to be honest, all right? >> this can't just be an election nominating about someone because they seem angrier than somebody else. >> we do better in elections when we actually nominate
conservatives. >> you're going to be proud of your president and you're going to be even prouder of your country, okay? >> so how did trump do it last night? well, this is the part that should make his opponents most nervous because he won across the board among very conservative voters, trump, 38%. among somewhat conservative voters, trump, 50%. and among moderate voters, trump, 55%. how about whietd evangelicals, trump, 41%. good for first place there. college educated voters, trump, 41%, first place. among those without college educations, trump, 51%. first place there. and an across the board sweep for trump. let's bring in nbc's kerry sanders who has been with the campaign. nbc's gabe gutierrez is in grand rapi rapids, michigan. kerry, let's start here. there was a little bit of
apprehension around trump supporters heading into today because this was the first caucus since iowa. we heard he had some turnout problems there. caucus state requires organizations. interesting, steve, the question going into this since iowa, are those thousands who were showing up at his rally, are they really voters or are they just fans? and i think when you start looking past iowa through and now you look at nevada, it's very clear that these may be fans but they're also voters, people who are registered. folks who say to me that maybe they haven't voted in a while but nonetheless they now feel inspired to go out and participate in the caucus. now donald trump told them if you go to the caucus, it's not going to be that hard, it won't be that difficult. you write it on a piece of paper and leave. as we saw, there was some confusion, missing ballots, things took longer. nonetheless, it appears those committed to donald trump stayed and donald trump seemed to recognize that he's getting broad support.
>> we won the evangelicals, we won with young, we won with old, we won with highly educated, we won with poorly educated. i love the poorly educated. we're the smartest people, we're the most loyal people, and you know what i really am happy about because i've been saying it for a long time, 46% with the hispanics, 46%, number one with hispanics. >> reporter: donald trump likes to say that those who are with him are part of a movement and talking to those who participated in the caucus, steve, they do get a sense that they are part of something bigger that's going on in the country. donald trump leaves here heading to virginia. he'll be speaking in virginia beach at regent university today at around noon. so his campaign moves onto the next state. >> and also interesting to see that 46% total, maybe there's a ceiling in the 30s.
that ceiling seems to have moved higher. gabe gutierrez, let's turn it over to you. marco rubio finishing second. half of trump reporters, what's rubio's spin this morning? >> reporter: hey there, steve. good morning. the marco rubio campaign is pushing back on this notion that they must attack donald trump right away. in back-to-back interviews on the "today" show this morning, rubio basically said that he didn't get in this race to attack other republicans and then right afterwards trump seemed to be an apparent cease-fire between the two candidates, trump saying that marco rubio is very nice although when pressed he did a preview of a potential line of attack calling him inexperienced. then he came back and said he's a nice guy. the rubio campaign is really looking ahead to super tuesday and florida on march 15th will be crucial for marco rubio as well. let's take a listen to part of that interview on the "today" show on why -- why rubio believes that he can take on
donald trump and become the anti-trump without going after him exclusively. take a look. >> one candidate has dropped out between saturday and today and that's governor bush. i think you'll see more of that happening over the next few days and weeks, and if that happens, i think we're only going to get stronger. you've already seen a growing number of people joining our effort. we're the only one in this race that can unite the republican party and grow it which is how we're going to win this election in november. >> reporter: the question is will donald trump run the table on super tuesday and will it be too late. now marco rubio has been going after ted krcruz over the last w days. his response is ted cruz went after him. donald trump has not really gone after marco rubio and that's why the rubio camp says they haven't taken on trump. the big question right now, marco rubio is moving from michigan down to texas. his team thinks they can do well in some other super tuesday states like virginia, arkansas.
florida on march 15th will be absolutely crucial to the rubio campaign. >> all right. gabe gutierrez in michigan. thanks for that. joining me here in las vegas to help us digest everything that happened last night, what it means going forward. msnbc contributor john rolston and rosie gray, she's been on the ted cruz beat. john, let me start with you. looking at the map in nevada, this looks like a comprehensive victory. pretty much across the board he won the state. >> across the board in every way, right? counties, demographic areas. he's been bragging all the time i'm going to win hispanics. looks like he won. >> you're going to hear him talking about that going forward. >> i still can't believe it's that big of a sample, steve. the fact is he can say it and he will say it. the fact is what nevada did after south carolina increased his momentum, right, going into super tuesday where he can say, stop talking about ted cruz and
marco rubio. you can add them up and they don't add up to me. 46% maybe an outlier for what's going forward, but that's pretty good right now. >> what about where cruz goes from here, where rubio goes from here. what i'm picking up on is it almost feels like they're retreating to their own states. rubio is pointing to march 15th, winner take all. cruz can't wait to get back to texas. he's only 8 points ahead. trump is the one going to their states, they're retreating to their states. >> they're on defense. rubio still the has not won a state. cruz has not won a state since iowa. both of these guys are really in a battle for second place. they know they have to perform well on march 1st and beyond for rubio in florida in order to justify what's going on. >> i'm trying to figure out how they jump started. we had more rubio. we heard what he's saying this morning. he's talking about that. >> nevada results are always a little different from when you see other parts of the country.
last time mitt romney got under 20 pers percent. donald trump under performed not once but twice in this state. the majority of republican voters in this country do not want donald trump to be the nominee. i think that's been pretty clear now. the problem is that they're divided up among four people. >> that's the talking point i keep hearing. the majority of the republican party doesn't want it but i want to put this up. this is the most recent wall street journal poll. could you see yourself voting to are this candidate? among republicans, 56% said yes. that's the poll that had trump behind cruz, some people said maybe a bit of an outlier. we asked the vote a month ago, they said 65%. i see that and i think trump could get over 50%. >> we don't know what his feeling is. everyone thought his feeling is and now it could be higher. it doesn't matter what the republican party wants at this point because what they're
getting is trump. >> that's the other thing, jon, you mentioned, momentum. you have voters who end up, this is true in both parties, somebody starts putting a bunch of wins together, they see the train is leaving the station and be they say, time to get on board. >> what a lot of people are saying, steve, if this were anybody but donald trump we'd all be saying he's the presumptive nominee. why are we talking about the others. you talk about momentum, for cruz and rubio, it's reverse momentum. they're going down, not up. i'm astonished by that clip you made about rubio and the change in his tone, before this election he said i'm coming home. nevada's my place. for months they were talking about this is where he gets his victory. talk about lowering expectations. suddenly nevada is a weird state, which i'm not going to argue with. the caucus is weird. mitt romney got 50% here. let's not take nevada seriously, wait until i get home. that is not a winning candidate talking. >> i've been seeing people putting these compilations
together on line, of all of the headlines, the rubio moment is finally here. i get what's going on, rosie. on paper rubio looks like the kind of candidate this party would nominate, that a political party would nominate. >> right. >> he looked conventionally like the most likeable candidate. something happened in the last six months where people maybe should have taken a step back and said this is not going to be a rubio year. something else is going on here. >> i think there's been a very strong sense of denial about this election, about what is going on in this republican primary. i think people have assumed the establishment favorite would be on top. he's rolling out these endorsements. he sort of is projecting an appearance of strength which isn't really true. the fact of the matter is, there is a very clear front-runner, donald trump. >> there was a nothing to see here crowd in the media for about six months. they started pickings up after iowa. they said, see, we told you trump is going away. by the way, jon, we talked all the day yesterday, it was going to be a disaster with the returns. four years ago it took them three days to get the return.
a good job here? >> i got an e-mail at 4:00 in the morning from someone from the republican party saying, look, we've got 100% counted. we were faster than the democrats this year because the democrats didn't have all of their votes counted because of some problems with ballots in clark county until two days after the saturday primary. so they're very proud of it. a record turnout for republicans more than twice what it was in 2012. so you had the usual complaints about strange things happening in caucuses, but they did a pretty good job. steve, without the rnc reinforcements, they knew there were going to be problems. i'm not sure that would have happened. >> another story here. this is the fourth straight state we have seen increased turnout. that's clearly the trend. rosie gray, jon rolston, thanks for being with us. donald trump's wife melania goes one on one with our own mika brzezinski, an immigrant herself. hear what she has to say. with another win under donald
trump's belt, is there a viable path forward from marco rubio or ted cruz. we're going to talk to supporters of both of those candidates starting with one from marco rubio, and he will be next. >> the vast and overwhelming majority of republicans do not want donald trump to be our nominee. we have a dynamic where as long as there are four people running dividing up the vote, you're going to see results like you got last night. king tylenol. yeah, i was ok, but after lunch my knee started hurting again so... more pills. yep... another pill stop. can i get my aleve back yet? for my pain... i want my aleve. get all day minor arthritis pain relief with an easy open cap. (is committed to truth on thee plabel.d when we say real meat is the first ingredient, it is number one. and we leave out corn, wheat and soy. learn more at beyondpetfood.com
playing a little bit of marco rubio. the splast jort do not want to support and will not support donald trump for president. when i look at this, i see marco rubio hasn't won a state. he's 11 and 24% of the vote. he lost by 20 points to donald trump. >> listening to the media, you would think there's no reason to have the 50 states and caucuses left. it sounds to me like the media has already anointed donald
trump the nominee and why bother with the rest of it. the reality is just a couple of days ago the story line was really about who was going to emerge as the alternative to donald trump and i think last night firmly commented marco as that alternative. you had john kasich and ben carson. 9 points, 4 and 5 respectively. i don't know why they're continuing. ted cruz, third time he's in third place. he's trending down while marco is trending up with two very good performances. >> but, jason, jason, we've got the screen there with the results. maybe we put that back up. you're saying he clearly established himself as the alternative last night. a great performance. if you add up the marco rubio and ted cruz number on that screen, you still don't get the donald trump number. >> okay. that was a caucus. that's different than a primary.
that's only the fourth state. we have 12 on tuesday. john kasich is not competing. i think we'll continue to put distance between marco and ted cruz. what i think you're ignoring in those numbers, there is 56% of the voters or 54% that didn't vote for donald trump. this thing has a long way to go. i don't think 46% is an accurate reflection of what primary voters would do. i think that's an accurate reflection of the caucus voters who chose to show up. we have a long way to go before we know who the front-runner is. >> we have the first big collection of primaries coming up next tuesday, super tuesday. you look at those 11 states on the board next week. we've been putting the polls up in all of those states and seeing trump lead pretty much across the board. where does the rubio campaign put wins on the board?
>> we have a week. a lot of things will shake out after the nevada result. we have to put this into perspective as well. there are 1,237 delegates needed to get the nomination. donald trump has 6% of the necessary number. there is a long way to go here and i think the results of last night reaffirmed him as the alternative to donald trump. the voters will start rallying around marco. we've seen in the last three or four days a significant number of conservative leaders coming out conservatively on behalf of marco. we feel very good about last night and very good about where we're going. i don't think there's any surprise donald trump won last night. we knew that going in. this morning the media is reporting the sun coming up as if it's the first time it happened. we all expected the sun to come up today. it's not a surprise. >> the sun is still coming up here in las vegas but i'm pretty
sure we'll get to 100% in an hour. jason roe with the rubio campaign. appreciate it. >> thanks, steve. as the candidates gear up for super tuesday we're going to take a look now in columbia, south carolina, the state capitol. you've been seeing this in the corner of your screen. bernie sanders is going to speak there. we're going to take a listen to what he has to say. >> the democratic turnout in iowa was very, very good. not as good as 2008. turnout in new hampshire was actually very, very, very good. not quite where obama was in -- remember, also, when you compare just 2008, you had not only obama and clinton, you had john edwards and other candidates, each one bringing out their own campaign. if you want to compare turnout to just 2008, i don't think that's fully fair. go back to 2004, we're doing pretty well. in nevada, did we have the kind of turnout we wanted, absolutely not. yes. nancy. >> you often say that you want
to create some kind of political revolution that president obama couldn't. is the fact that turnout is lower a sign that that revolution isn't happening? >> no, it's a sign that barack obama ran an unprecedented, brilliant campaign in 2008. unprecedented. one of the great campaigns, if not the greatest campaigns in the history of the united states of america, period. now we started off, you know, in a lot different position than barack obama did. we started off at 3% in the polls nationally and by the way, not that we want to get hung up on polls which go up and down or right or wrong, but that extraordinary news organization, fox, what was the poll last poll you had? last one you had was sanders actually leading. what was another poll that had me a little better. fox, there it is, brilliant. >> you answered my question. >> one second. my point is -- this is my point. look, if you want to compare our campaign to barack obama, he had a brilliant campaign. i think we're doing really well.
we have come a long way. we were 50 points behind. not one person in this room thought we were a serious candidate back then, i think we have made real progress. i'm first to admit, obama ran an unbelievable campaign in 2008. maybe we can't run as extraordinary a campaign, but we are doing very, very well. >> but there are a number of people right now who say the math just doesn't add up for you moving forward. how do you think you can win this nomination? >> by getting more -- are you ready for this one? the answer is by getting more delegates than my opponent. now i'm pretty good in arithmetic and i can add. on super tuesday there are going to be 1,000 -- >> we're going to win a lot of them. we're going to win -- how do i know? you see, let me get back. you know, sometimes i have been
known to be critical of the media once or twice. here we are talking about children in south carolina and in america in the wealthiest country in the world who have nothing and you're asking me to predict to you how many votes i'm going to get in 12 states. you know, i don't know nor do you nor does anybody else. i will tell you the answer to that on wednesday. how's that. >> yeah? >> you said that investigations of police killings should be handed over to the justice department and they have begun a pilot program where they can track officer-involved deaths, something that was previously only done by media outlets like the guardian. but such information remains voluntary. >> that's bernie sanders taking questions from the press in columbia, south carolina, ahead of this saturday's south carolina democratic polls showing bernie sanders far behind hillary clinton in that state. of course, coming off of his narrow loss in nevada over the weekend. as we went into that press
conference i'm not sure if we picked the whole exchange up. andrea mitchell had asked bernie sanders if he was writing off south carolina. there were some indications that they were downplaying the state. he insisted to andrea mitchell that is not the case. again, bernie sanders speaking to reporters now in south carolina. we'll keep an eye on that. we'll keep an eye on what all of the candidates are up to. for the first time we are also hearing extensively from donald trump's wife. melania trump sat down with mika brzezinski and she responded about her husband and his controversial comments on immigration. >> what about people who feel he is -- let's just go down the list because the campaign started and many felt he had insulted mexicans. >> no, i don't feel he insulted the mexicans. he said illegal immigrants. he didn't talk about everybody. he talks about illegal
immigrants, and after a few weeks, after two weeks of giving him a hard time and bashing him in the media, they turned around and said, you know what, he's right. and he opened conversation that nobody did. >> but you're an immigrant. >> yes. >> do you ever think he's gone too far? >> i followed the law. i follow a law the way it's supposed to be. i never thought to stay here without papers. >> pretty sure they didn't shoot that one in our studio back in new york. anyway, keeping it right here on msnbc because we're going to be airing that full interview, mika brzezinski and melania will air in the next hour. after a break we'll turn to the ted cruz campaign. ted cruz has been part of the attack in the campaign. they still say he is the only one who can beat donald trump. >> frankly, i'm not willing to gamble my daughter's future with donald trump.
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the undeniable reality that the first four states have shown is that the only campaign that has beaten donald trump and the only campaign that can beat donald trump is this campaign. >> that's ted cruz late last night with supporters here in las vegas. he's making the argument there that he is the best alternative, maybe the only alternative to republicans to donald trump. six days from next tuesday is critical super tuesday match-ups in 11 states and developing now in just the past hour we've learned that ted cruz has picked up his highest profile endorsement yet. this from his old texas governor greg abbott.
let's check in with the cruz campaign. congressman, thanks for taking a few minutes. i want to start by putting a couple numbers up on the board. this is from the entrance polls out here in nevada last night. this is white evangelical voters. this was about 1/3 of the electorate. donald trump, 41, ted cruz, 27. then if you look at very conservative voters, people who call themselves very conservative, you get donald trump 38, ted cruz 34. i look at those two groups, i look at donald trump beating ted cruz with those groups and i can't help but say, it looks like he is cutting the heart out of ted cruz's base. this happened in south carolina. this happened here. donald trump is winning those groups of voters, how can you guys possibly do well in these super tuesday states? >> well, steve, it's great to be back with you. obviously as we look at nevada, we knew that you're running against a casino owner in nevada. the chances of really scoring well and winning in nevada were tough, but, you know, if you
look at the numbers a little bit closer, you can see that ted cruz either finished first or second in 11 of the 17 counties. so while the numbers -- the macro numbers were large, that conservative base is starting to coalesce around ted cruz's message and it's a consistent message. those who have worked with him closest know that he is the only proven conservative who's not willing to allow washington, d.c., to change who he is. >> but those numbers, look, i think your point, nevada may be a little different than other states. but we did see that dynamic in south carolina as well. donald trump won the evangelicals there. he won the very conservative voters there. that was the formula for ted cruz in iowa. that was how he beat donald trump was doing well with those two groups. what's happened, do you think? something bigger than just nevada is happening here. >> well, i think there's a frustration with the american people. the people are wanting to have hope in washington, d.c., as senator cruz continues to take
his message to the american people, they're starting to realize that he's the real deal. having worked with him, whether it's me or other people that he has worked with, they can say he's so consistent that what happens is is that it does ruffle feathers here in washington, d.c., but on main street he's one that has stood solidly by and with the american people time and time again. i think what we see in the six days as you mentioned coming up here on super tuesday, a number of states that not only will he do well in, but that he will win. i think we're starting to see that direction coming and certainly looking forward to next tuesday's results. >> so where do you -- we have 11 states on the board next week. obviously one of them is ted cruz's home state of texas. i think we had a poll there that came out in the last couple of days that had him up 37-29 on donald trump in his home state. he said in his speech last night he can't wait to get back to texas. okay, he obviously wants to do well in texas, could do very
well there. where else? what are the other states in that 11 he's going to win next week, what do you think? >> obviously most of those 11 he will do extremely well when we start to look at it. you have rubio who said that nevada was his fire wall. he went 0 for 3, he was going to take a win. he actually used to live in nevada, yet what we're seeing is consistently ted cruz is doing well. you've got those other states. you've got arkansas and tennessee and a number, georgia, a lot of these that are coming up that really his message is resonating with the american people. it's one that i look forward to seeing the results as they come up. >> all right. congressman mark meadows, a ted cruz supporter, thank you for taking a few minutes. >> thank you, steve. good to be with you. >> bernie sanders just wrapped up that news conference we were showing you a few minutes ago down in columbia, south carolina. now he is headed out to the midwest to cam pain. moments ago he took this question from our own andrea mitchell. >> there's a feeling among some
in south carolina that you are writing off the state. >> no, no, no, no, no. this is a race. we've got to get 2400 delegates. 2400 delegates so we are in this race to win it and i think we are going to pull off one of the great political upsets. >> hillary clinton and bernie sanders have been trading jabs once again over wall street speeches. this as they close in on saturday's democratic primary in south carolina and then that big mega contest on super tuesday. follow the democratic campaign from columbia, south carolina, kristen welker and casey hunton. casey, let's start with you. you were at that bernie sanders press conference. what do you think the headline is coming out of there? >> reporter: steve, bernie sanders again trying to emphasize that he is not, in fact, out of this race by any stretch insisting that he's going to rack up enough delegates to ultimately take on hillary clinton at the convention. i asked him specifically what he might want from the democratic party in the event he doesn't
get the nomination but so goes in of course with a significant number of delegates, which at this point is looking like a likely scenario. he was a little bit frustrated by the question that he got from the reporters here in the room, most of them focused on this question instead insisting he wanted to talk about poverty in south carolina. that of course a little bit trademark bernie sanders there. but the reality is, steve, the math does get pretty difficult for him now. we'll have to see what happens on super tuesday. the democratic nomination process is proportional all the way through. the main hurdle for sanders, still the african-american voters so critical across the south. the large states, texas, alabama, georgia all voting on super tuesday. >> all right. casey hunton was at the bernie sanders press conference. thanks for that.
kristen welker, thanks for that joining you. there was a democratic event, big democratic town hall last night. tell us what was happening there. >> reporter: that's right. the candidates trading some of their sharpest jabs, yet, steve at that town hall. one of the most heated issues came when secretary clinton was asked again about whether or not she would release the transcripts from her wall street speeches. this is an issue that continues to dog her. it speaks to the trust issue with secretary clinton. as you know, steve, from looking at some of the polls, voters question whether they can trust her. take a listen to that exchange and how she answered it. >> sure, if everybody does it, and that includes the republicans, because we know they have made a lot of speeches. >> why is there one standard for me and not for everybody else? i mean -- >> i am very happy to release all of my paid speeches to wall street. here it is, chris, there ain't none.
i don't do that. i don't get speaker's fees from goldman sachs. it's not there. >> reporter: senator sanders was again pressed on the clinton criticism that he's a single issue candidate. he said come to my rallies, come to my speeches, you'll see that i talk about a whole host of issues. steve, what was interesting about last night, both candidates used that forum to court voteers. kasich talked about that. they will make up 50% of the electorate. senator clinton talking about justice reform. senator sanders taking a broad swipe at republicans talking about obstructionism particularly over whether president obama should be able to elect a new supreme court justice and over the birther issue. he took a direct wipe at trump over that. i've been talking to senator sanders supporters. a victory if he could close that gap to within ten points. that's going to be a steep climb here, steve, because she has a big big lead.
>> looking at those polls, that seems like a steep climb. kristen welker in columbia. thank you for that. joining me now from columbia. a lot of columbia. wee have south carolina state representative john king. he is supporting hillary clinton. representative, thanks for joining us. we were playing that clip from that forum last night. this is an issue that's been out here a while. this is an issue of hillary clinton taking hundreds of thousands of dollars to give speeches, private, behind closed door speeches on wall street. why is it so unreasonable to ask her to release what she actually said? >> i think south carolynians here in south carolina are concerned about the bigger picture. what is she going to do with the people of the united states. that's not an issue. that's why her numbers still stay the same. she has a proven track record. >> representative, hang on a second there. she can talk about all of the issues that are important to voters in south carolina and maybe this is one of them.
i'm sure bernie sanders supporters would say it is one of them. she can talk all she wants about those issues and at the same time release these transcripts. why is that an unreasonable thing to ask for? >> first of all, i don't think we're concerned where she makes her money. i think we're concerned how she would represent us. that's why she's received the endorsement of the congressional black caucus, that's why she's received the endorsement of the african-american who hold elected positions, including myself. we are concerned about how she's going to better our community. we don't want to talk about where she makes her money because what we're concerned about is her proven track record, what she's done for our community and how she will continue to do great things for our community. >> you don't think there's any curiosity among democratic voters about a candidate for president who went and gave paid speeches to wall street, was paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for the speeches, you don't think there's any curiosity about what she might have told them?
>> not at all. i don't think so. if that was the case, she would be losing south carolina. what we are concerned about is how we going to raise the minimum wage for people, how we're going to bring better health care to this state, which the republicans have denied in this state. we're worried about, you know, criminal justice reform, things like that. we're not worried about where hillary clinton made her money. she has a proven track record of doing great things in the african-american community. that's why you see her numbers still staying the same in the african-american community. more openly you see the democratic party here in this state overwhelmingly are supporting hillary clinton. we will have a victory on saturday. >> now that's certainly what the polls suggest. we'll see. a couple of days away from the south carolina primary. state representative john king down there in columbia. thanks for joining us. appreciate it. >> thank you so very much. up next we're going to head to the super tuesday state of oklahoma. our own cal perry is on the road in that state. he's looking at the key issue of energy in the sooner state and
as we count down to super tuesday now six days away, msnbc's chris jansing and cal perry are on a road trip to all of the key super tuesday battle grounds. they're setting out today in oklahoma, texas and arkansas. they're going to hit tennessee, alabama, georgia and wind up in virginia all ahead of next tuesday's big vote. this morning joining us from the sooner state in tulsa, my desk mate when i'm back in new york, cal perry. cal, i understand you're at a gas station right now. are you loading up on snacks or filling the tank up? what are you doing out there? >> reporter: that's it. loading up with cold winter gear. it's freezing here in oklahoma. let me show you, this is an energy state, one in five jobs affected by the energy crisis.
one of the states where they show you the difference between ethanol and as they put it real gas. as you said, this is one of the last full service stations in the state. you come, you get very personalized service. we're sort of hitting the morning rush here. this is probably the only gas station i've ever been to where low gas at 1.39 a gallon is a bad thing this is bob from yesterday. >> i think it's a tradeoff. unfortunately for people that have jobs in oklahoma, people are going to lose jobs because of lower gas prices. >> reporter: now this is a thing that affects everyone in this state when we're looking at gas at such a low price for a barrel. it affects all of the other jobs in in state. i spoke to somebody yesterday who talked about philanthropy. i said what does philanthropy have to do with oil. it's true. when you look around the state everything is sponsored by an oil company. this is something that people really care about. when you ask them, what do the
candidates need to say? they need an energy plan. that's what we're hearing from everybody. they want to hear a comprehensive energy plan from the candidates, steve. >> cal perry, cal, i need you to do a favor. i collect college sweatshirts and jackets. i need you to hit the tulsa bookstore and get me a tulsa hurricanes book store. >> it's right there. we've got you covered. we'll go to the bookstore. i know my followers are not only voting on where i should go and they're voting on your clothing. we've got you covered. >> cal perry doing everything in tulsa, oklahoma. you can follow cal at 1:00 p.m. eastern. they're going to be hitting seven super tuesday states in seven days all starting today in the sooner state. as for me, i am heading out to georgia after this show so i'll be getting a georgia tech or georgia state or uga fleece or maybe all of them to add to my collection. coming up, another political fight going on now between
capitol hill and the white house. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell said he won't talk to any supreme court justice nominees put up by president obama. this morning the president is talking about what kind of candidate he's looking for anyway. we will have more on what he's looking for next. ive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪
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so the question is, who should make the decision? and my view, and i can now confidently say the view shared by virtually everybody in my conference is that the nomination should be made by the president the people elect, and the election that's under way right now. >> and that was senate majority leader mitch mcconnell saying he would reject anyone president obama appoints to the court, and this morning, we have new reaction from the president. this in a just released piece he wrote for scotus blog, the president describing exactly what he's looking for in a supreme court nominee. he writes, quote, i seek judges who approach decisions without any particular ideology or
agenda but rather a commitment to impartial justice, a respect for precedent, and a determination to faithfully apply the law to the faths at hand. joining me now is the publisher of scotus blog, also msnbc supreme court justice. reading what the president had to say today, can you read between the lines in terms of pointing towards any particular candidates. >> i think you can infer two things. the first is he's probably going to go to the courts of appeals which are the level below the u.s. supreme court, and find someone who is qualified and has republican support. you get that from the idea he's quite serious about this. he's trying to press this forward despite republican pledges to not to consider a nomination, and the second thing is what the white house is not doing. they don't seem to be turning this into a political score for themselves. they seem to try not to pick
fights with republicans. trying actually to persuade them it would be worthwhile going through it with a vote and confirming someone. that's perhaps what's most interesting to me. >> so the idea here might be, look, you had scalia who was basically the most conservative justice on the court, not to replace or try to replace scalia with someone who is equally liberal as scalia was conservative, but to go middle of the road so maybe some republicans at least would say that's reasonable enough. >> yeah, my sense is that they're really going to give this the college try. every indication is that it may well be hopeful because republicans are completely committed to the prospect that a republican might win the presidency and replace scalia. this is a seat that will determine the direction of the court for praebd a quarter century, but they seem willing to try and work with republicans to put somebody on in the center left that would be acceptable. i don't think it will work, but they are really not just trying to make political points out of it. >> although i guess you could argue that going through the
motions like this might make them look more reasonable and score political points that way. but interesting what you're seeing there, that it seems interesting going forward with more of an attempt at a compromise choice. tom goldstein, a really interesting essay you got from the president. thanks for joining us. >> thank you. all right, and that's going to wrap up this hour from the las vegas strip where the sun is now up. the temperatures still have a ways to go. i'm steve kornacki. thomas roberts coming up next. ylg see you tomorrow from georgia, as we gear up for super tuesday. plus, don't forget, chris jansing is kicking off her seven stase in seven days super tuesday road trip. she's going to have a preview of that in the next hour, and it all is kicking off officially today in the sooner state. oklahoma. 1:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. hey!
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hi, everybody. good morning from las vegas. i'm thomas roberts. super tuesday is the next stop in the republican race for president. this morn, donald trump remains in the driver's seat, and overnight, he jumped into the express lane because the gop front-runner posting the biggest win so far in this race. take a look. the billionaire taking 46% of the vote in last night's caucuses here. he rolled over his closest rival, marco rubio, by more than 20 points. to recap all of this, trump has demonstrating muscular wins in the north, the south, and now the west. we fast forward to super tuesday. 11 state, nearly 600 delegates up for grabs. >> we love nevada. we love nevada. >> the role of the first four primaries historically has been to narrow the field. >> we can't just elect someone that's angry. we have to elect someone who will make a difference. >> we weren't expected to win too much, and now we're winning,
winning. >> there are only two people who have won one of the first three primaries. >> you'll hear, if we could just take the other candidates and add them up. >> the nevada caucus is a newer thing. >> we won't with evangelicals, we won with old, we won with young, we won with highly educated. we won with poorly educated. i love the poorly educated. >> you can choose between two washington deal makers. or one proven consistent conservative. >> our political team is here, and across the country. kerry sanders here with me in las vegas. gabe gutierrez is traveling with marco rubio in michigan. trump said last night he might not even need the next two months to really become the de facto nominee. are they really fast forwarding? past super tuesday. or do they have pit falls if. >> there are pit falls. there's a lot of confidence in
the trump campaign, and confidence since he announced. a lot of people didn't think he would be where he is today. the pitfalls really are is he going to say something that could work against him. now, he has said some things already and it doesn't appear it has worked against him. he talked about john mccain not being a real war hero. but that didn't really damage him. he talked about the fact that he could walk out on fifth avenue and shoot somebody and people would still follow him. so he has said things, but it hasn't caught a problem for his campaign. so his confidence and while a lot of this seems like it's off the cuff, it's calculated. so what he's saying, i think, is unlikely to be a real mistake going forward. and you know, the s.e.c., as they call it, people are wondering, why s.e.c., it's about sports, the southeastern conference. it's the s.e.c. primary. it looks like according to donald trump with a lot of confidence that he's going to do so well that after that 24 p% o
the delegates are up, and he does well, he may be there. >> he's taken on everybody except for the easter bunny. i think from a confidence standpoint, there's nothing he can say that hurts him with supporters. they're bakied in. they believe in him. >> the folks who are coming out to vote for donald trump. i have gone to seven weeks of his speeches. i have heard what he had to say, and i had an opportunity to speak to the voters out there. the voters out there, a, are folks who said they were turned off by the system and donald trump brought them back, that hey had not participated in the system for a while because they felt everybody in washington was the same, that there was no real difference between the republicans and the democrats. they all go to washington and ultimately make backroom deals and don't get anything done. so what we're seeing is a group of voters who have come forward that maybe really haven't participated or having had a of faith saying they have faith in
donald trump. >> the iowa caucuses, we see ted cruz taking that. this has been a race for silver. donald trump striking gold here, and gabe, let me talk to you. silver in south carolina went to marco rubio. he leaves nevada coming in second place. he didn't stay here for the results. he moved on to focus more on the super tuesday states. is there a frustration from within his own campaign over maybe an unwillingness to take on trump directly? >> hey, there, thomas. his campaign is pushing back against what they call a media narrative that wants them to take on donald trump. they say this is really part of their strategy, that they will wait for everyone, the gop to coalesce around the anti-trump candidate, and they don't want to provoke donald trump right now. we saw it this morning in back-to-back interviews on the "today" show, holding back, not going after donald trump. donald trump coming back and saying he's a very nice guy. i don't have much bad to say about him. and when he was pressed, he said that marco rubio is
inexperienced, but then he pulled back again and said but he's a very nice guy. let's listen to what marco rubio is arguing why he's not taking on donald trump. take a listen. >> the vast and overwhelming majority of republicans do not want donald trump to be our nominee. and that's evidenced by the fact that your own poll showed if it came down to me and donald trump, i beat him by almost 16 points. what we have now is a dynamic where as long as there are four people running, you're going to get results like you saw last night. >> the question is, will marco rubio make enough of a dent in donald trump on super tuesday? right now, as you have been talking about, it's a very uphill battle. he's not doing well in many of those statsz. the rubio campaign feels they can do strongly in a few of them, minnesota, perhaps virginia. they're in this, what they want to do is pick up a few delegates along the way, perhaps in texas and some congressional districts even though itteme seems to be a two-way battle between cruz and
trump. the rubio campaign feels if they can wait this out, they will end up being the anti-trump candidate. essentially right now, the rubio campaign is campaigning to be everyone's second choice. the question is, will in the long term, will that pay off or will donald trump run the table on super tuesday and knock everyone else out. yes, marco rubio was in grand rapids, michigan. he had a rally there last night. in minnesota he had a rally last night. he's heading to texas and this weekend he'll be in georgia. >> interested parties have another opportunity to see the candidates tomorrow night iphouston, as far as we know, everybody is showing up. those that remain in the race, which includes rubio, cruz, trump, kasich, carson. is this really the last chance for rubio to prove to those establishment folks that he can take on trump head first in this debate format? >> well, it will certainly be interesting to see that. you remember, thomas, marco rubio had a reputation as a very
strong debater, but that was hit hard quite a bit during new hampshire when he was repeatedly pummeled by chris christie and repeated his talking points four times. largely panned for that performance. that was in part what led to his fifth place finish in new hampshire. so it will be very interesting to see the dynamic between marco rubio and donald trump in the debate. but also the dynamic between ted cruz and marco rubio. right now, they are locked in this battle for second place. and it's interesting to hear marco rubio talk about ted cruz versus donald trump. this morning on the "today" show, he was asked, you're not going after donald trump. why are you going after ted cruz? he said, ted cruz has gone after me, so i have fought back. his campaign has been very aggressive going after ted cruz. everything from pointing out that flap back in iowa when ted cruz was accused of dirty tricks against ben carson. the rubio campaign came back and said the photo shopped picture that got attention last week,
and then again the video that was circulated where rubio was misquoted talking about the bible, the rubio campaign has pounced on that and really hit ted cruz hard. their argument is they only did that because ted cruz went after rubio first. thomas. >> we know that the cruz campaign is saying they took accountability by that by having rick tyler resign or making him leave the campaign. alice stewart is the now director of the campaign. kerry, good to see you in las vegas with me. as we talk about how the race is shaping ip, the rubio campaign is celebrating the second place finish in nevada and this morning, rubio was on the "today" show and talked to savannah guthrie about this shaping up to a two-person race. >> here's the bottom line fact. the vast and overwhelming majority of republicans do not want donald trump to be our nominee. as long as there are four people running dividing up the non-trump vote, you'll get results like you saw last night. the sooner we can get the race
narrowed down, the easier it's going to be to stop donald trump and defeat him. >> so joining me now is crescent hardy who endorsed marco rubio. it's nice to see you here, joining me after a big night here in las vegas. but for marco rubio, the candidate that you're endorsing, he has yet to carry a state. hasn't really indicated which one he can. why are you confident that he can win the gop nomination? >> well, i believe that marco rubio is the right guy not only for the state of nevada but the right individual for the country. he's a unifier. and i believe he will not only unify the republican party, but i think he can actually grow our republican party if he is nominated as the president of the united states. >> but when it comes to unifying any of the contests so far out of iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, and now nevada, he's not demonstrating a strength to go up against donald trump. it seems as if the electorate for the gop is more interested
in an outsider message. how do you respond to that? >> i can respond to that by this. you know, it wasn't only a year and a half ago when i was running for congress that i was one of those angry individuals. you know, i don't come from a political background, so to speak. mine has been in the construction industry. i have been a business individual. and i was very upset with the direction our state was going, the direction that our country was going. and you know, we look at the way things are happening. people are frustrated. i understand that, but when you go out to select a candidate, and i waited and held off, and now we're down to three what i believe finalists. i believe that marco is the right person for the country. but others may disagree with that. >> so as we look at some of the numbers that are coming out with the "wall street journal" reporting that many republicans, especially in the establishment, are worried that time is running out to beat donald trump, it said there's a growing course of party operatives worrying if the anti-trump doesn't soon coalesce
behind a single alternative, it may be too late. from your perspective and from what you're hearing, is it too late, and after super tuesday, is it going to be too late once the delegate count for a candidate in donald trump just seems to escape from your choice of marco rubio? >> you know, i'm new here. and i am now a part of the establishment. only being here one year, but i'm still one of those angry individuals who wants things to happen. we worked hard this go around in the last year to be able to accomplish some good legislation. we can't get it past the senate because individuals continue to block and keep it from going to the president's desk. that's a frustration i have and i'm here on capitol hill. people have the right to be frustrated. this country is developed on people's right to be able to choose their candidate. and if that is their candidate at the end of the day, i'll support donald trump with anybody else who comes up. but marco rubio, i believe, is the right individual at the
right time in this country's history to be that leader. >> so, from your time in a year of being on the hill, what has marco rubio done legislatively or as a senator that demonstrates to you something of presidential character? >> you know, i watched this race as it's gone on through the whole process. i watched different plans come out. here's my frustration with mr. trump. mr. trump talks about all these issues that he's going to make this happen, but where's the plan? we have an individual in the white house that continues to talk about issues but never comes up with a real plan. we need somebody that's going to have a plan. marco rubio has a plan. he's discussed those plans. you can go to his website and look at his strengths and his positives about his plan. i believe it's the right direction to go. i think that he can accomplish that. he surrounds himself with great people in the process. and so that's the reason i have been a rubio supporter. >> is there one thing you can name over the last year you have
seen firsthand on the hill that he has done that demonstrates presidential character? to be able to get things done? >> on the hill, i have not seen that. he's been running for a presidential race most of this year. as far as his policies in the past, i know he's done some things that might even be a little frustrating for a individual like myself at times, but you know, the gang of eight bill was a very good process that he was trying to get as much in there for conservatives in this country, and going to try to send it to the house for the final decision, and the house got to make that choice. i believe it was the right choice. it didn't go through. >> congressman hardy of nevada, thanks for your time. i appreciate it. >> thank you for the opportunity. coming up next, donald trump setting his own sights on his rivals' home states of florida. that's rubio's, and texas, that's cruz's. can marco rubio or ted cruz really confront the trump momentum? then later, donald trump's wife melania speaking out for the
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so we won the evangelicals. we won with young, we won with old. we won with highly educated. we won with poorly educated. i love the poorly educated. we're the smartest people, the most loyal people. >> so there we have donald trump last night flanked by his sons talking about a big win in nevada last night. so, as we look at the numbers, trump walked away with 46% of the caucus vote here. that's a major victory over his sclo closest competitors. basically doubling them if you add up marco rubio and ted truz.
the second place finisher edging out senator ted cruz. so he gets silver here, beating ted cruz by a narrow victory. but it's really amazing you think about only 3% separating those men. so what do last night's results mean for this race moving forward? joining me right now, daily beast senior correspondent tim mack, and msnbc political analyst jon ralston who has been covering nevada politics for more than a quarter century. >> i'm old. >> aren't we all at this point? especially after living through the primary season so far. it will age you real fast. we hear donald trump talking about some of the groups he won over. as we look closely at this, trump won with voter whose identified themselves as very conservative, 38% to rubio's 23% and cruz's 34%, and half of the votes of people who say they're somewhat conservative. what is it about the trump message that resonated to get the record turnout? >> what happened here is what has been happening elsewhere, but on steroids. he's appealing across demographic groups.
conservative, very conservative, even moderate voters. he won hispanics here which he's going to brag about forever. >> is that a good sample for the rest of the country? >> it's too small to draw any conclusions. i think in the general election, hispanics are not going to go with donald trump, but maybe, no one would have guessed he could cut into the huge lead that democrats traditionally have had with hispanics because his message is resonated across all different demographic groups, race, how people feel political politically, everything. >> let's talk about that. as jon brings up the hispanic voters, trump taking 45% of that vote. marco rubio and ted cruz are hispanic-americans and took 28%, 18% respectively. you spoke to some hispanic voter last night, tim. what's the sense about backing ted cruz? you went to one of his campaign events, his rally post results. he was one of the only ones that had a rally. rubio didn't. >> the more interesting voter
was a man gonzalez. he voted for the first time and caucused for trump. i said, hey, there are two cuban americans in the race. he grew up in havana. i said, why didn't you vote for them? she said, well, you know, i love trump's tone. i like the way that he just says what's on his mind. that's what a lot of trump voters are feeling. when we went to the cruz rally last evening, you saw kind of a deflated situation. wasn't a very packed room. weren't a lot of things ted cruz could say. jon made a great point on fwiter last night. look, trump blew the other two candidates out of the water. doubled their share of the vote here in nevada. what does it matter who came in second or third? who is eking it out for that silver medal? >> meanwhile, when we focus on trump and then rubio and cruz, there are other candidates in the race with kasich and carson. carson coming in over kasich. we have the former governor of ohio struggling with his
campaign message in georgia yesterday. i want to play this for everybody because it kind of showed exactly where his mindset is about the primary race going forward. take a look. >> i know how a lot of people feel. first of all, i don't know if my purpose is to be president. my purpose is to be out here doing what i think i need to be doing, and we'll see where it ends up. and if it's not this crusade, it will be another yun, and maybe it will be a really smaum one somewhere in my kids' school, who knows. because it doesn't matter the size of the crusade. it's the fact you're in a crusade. >> all right, so that was happening in georgia yesterday. that's one of the super tuesday states. jon, is that the message you want to be telling people as a presidential candidate? i don't know if it's my purpose. >> you wouldn't think so. mostly you have republicans talking about how they were born to do this or god told them to do this. you have john kasich essentially meandering in the wilderness saying maybe i'll do this or be in a high school. kasich's whole theory of the
case to be president is the early states don't matter. don't pay attention to them. once we get into the midwest, illinois and his homestate of ohio, he will be fine. the other theory is he's just running for vice president. that they're going to need him to win ohio. >> do you think that sounds like a guy who made a deal? >> he doesn't seem leak a guy who makes a deal. he's off the cuff in a different way than trump is. he's out there. he seems very real, but he will often say things like the clip you played who make their people say really, you're running for president but you're not sure your purpose is to be president? >> it's interesting. we'll wait to see how the folks play tomorrow night in houston. because that's the next big debate stage. tim mack and jon ralston, thank you. up next, the wife of gop front-runner donald trump sitting down with mika brzezinski, and melania trump speaking about the white house bid. also what she thinks as an immigrant herself, about her husband's messageoon illegal immigration. that and much more after this. >> we have thick skin.
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and i love it. so i decided fought to be in the campaign so much, but i support my husband 100%. >> we want to understand who melania is. >> i grew up in slovenia, and i went to school there. i studied design. and architecture. and then i moved to milan and paris to live there. and i had successful modeling career. i came to new york 1996. >> how many languages do you speak? >> i speak a few languages. >> a few? >> yeah. >> english. >> english, italian, french, german. >> tell me about your mother. >> really special. she's with a lot of elegance and style. she was in fashion industry for a long time. >> what did your father do? >> he was a sales person and then he was a manager of the company. and once the slovenia separated and was possible to have own business, he opened his ownbe
business. >> what was it you saw in donald when you met him or fell in love with him? >> his mind. amazing mind. and very smart, very charming, great energy. we have a great relationship. we are our own people. i'm my own person. he's his own person. i think that's very important. i don't want to change him. he doesn't want to change me. >> i got a list of terms that have been used to describe your husband from the left, the right, and the center. and they're not pretty. from stupid to demagogue, jerk, idiot, racist, sexist, race-baiting, xenophobic, vulgarian in chief. textbook narcissist. it goes on. what do you make of all this when you hear it? >> it's normal that will come up. we are prepared for that. we have thick skin. and we know that people will
judge him and people will call names. and they don't give him enough credit. from june that he announced, they don't him enough credit. >> what about people who feel, let's just go down the list because the campaign started, and many felt he had insulted mexicans. >> no, i don't feel he insulted the mexicans. he said illegal immigrants. he didn't talk about everybody. he talked about illegal immigrants. and after a few weeks, like after two weeks, giving him hard time, and bashing him in the media, they turned around. they said, you know what, he's right. he's right, what he's talking about. and he opened conversation that nobody did. >> but you're an immigrant. >> yes. >> do you ever think he's gone too far? >> i follow the law. i follow a law the way it's
supposed to be. i never thought to stay here without papers. i had visa. i travel every few months back to the country, to slovenia to stamp the visa. i came back. i apply for the green card. i apply for citizenship later on after many years of green card. so i went by system. i went by the law. and you should do that. you should not just say, okay, let me just stay here. and whatever happens happens. >> when he talked about a ban on muslims, which can't happen, for so many reasons, i mean, do you ever think he's going too far with some of this? do you ever worry about it in. >> what he said is it will be temporary. and it's not for all the muslims. it's the ones, we need to screen them, who is coming to the country. he wants to protect america. he wants to protect people of america so we have a country and
keep the country safe. that's very important to him. and what's going on in the world, it's very dangerous. you have people coming in the country, you don't know who they are, you don't know what they're doing. and that's why he was talking about it. it's temporary. we need to figure it out, how and what we will do that we know who is in this country. >> what about some of the language he uses? he curses. >> well, do i agree all the time with him? >> mm-hmm. >> no, i don't, and i tell him that. i tell him my opinions. i tell him what i think. sometimes he listens. sometimes he doesn't. >> in what areas do you advise him? >> i follow the news from a to z and i know what's going on. i'm on the phone with my husband a few times a day. he calls me, i call him. i tell him what's going on.
he's on the road. and i give him my opinions. >> let me ask you about women. he's taken a lot of criticism, kerfuffles during the debate with megyn kelly. in the trump organization, how are women treated compared to men? >>equal. i see him in life. he treats women the same as men. he will tell you what is in his heart, what he thinks. he will not hold it back. if you're a woman, you are a human. you're a human. you're not -- it's a woman or a man, no difference. you're a human. >> so an interesting insight there hearing from melania trump first-hand. coming up next, we turn our attention to the democrats. in just 3 days until the primary for them in south carolina. hillary clinton is campaigning through that state today, with bernie sanders moving on to the midwest, making a play for oklahoma. we're going to catch up with our very own chris jansing who is already in the sooner state getting ready to kick off her super tuesday road trip.
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>> we're not writing off south carolina. you all know on march 1st, there are a dozen states holding elections. and the nature of the world is that we have to go out to other states. i think i'm leaving for oklahoma in a little while, where we think we have a shot to win. >> bernie sanders there last hour in south carolina. where the next contest for the democrats is shaping up just three days from now. both candidates took part in a town hall last night in columbia, and all intrications are that hillary clinton will post a very strong victory all on saturday. but bernie sanders is trying to blunt her momentum, and one area where he clearly sees an opening, it's over clinton's paid and still private speeches to wall street firms like
goldman sachs. >> secretary clinton said i will do it if other people do it. well, i am very happy to release all of my paid speeches to wall street. here it is, chris. there ain't none. >> if everybody does it, and that includes the republicans, because we know they have made a lot of speeches, why is there one standard for me and not for everybody else? i mean, at some point, at some point, you know, look, i'm on record. i have a record. so you know what. if people are going to ask for things, everybody should be on a level playing field, and i'm happy if that were the case. >> so with me now from south carolina is the mayor of columbia, steven benjamin, who is a supporter of hillary clinton. mr. mayor, nice to see you. >> thomas, good to see you. figuratively. >> yes, figuratively. i know exactly where you are, the liberty tap room well. i spent a lot of time there. as we talk about what we witnessed last night in the town
hall, and secretary clinton's response because first, it was if bernie sanders released paid speeches to wall street, he says he doesn't have any. now it's if republicans do it, it's almost like peanuts with lucy moving the football on charlie brown. so if hillary clinton wants to prove why she's the best to take on wall street, doesn't it help her campaign, mr. mayor, to release the transcripts of the speeches or is it a problem because it might contradict her public statements? >> well, i appreciate the question, thomas. i have to tell you, i think that's a false premise. if you look at the history of secretary clinton since she's been in the public eye, the national eye, the last 25 years, time after time again, whitewater, benghazi, whatever you want to say, there's a constant attack against hillary clinton. asking for things that no one else is willing to do. focusing on things quite frankly that don't matter. she said she'll release her speeches, her paid speeches, if
senator sanders and the republicans do so as well. that's fair. that's as fundamental fairinal. we try to find these things to needle the sakeitary on. her life has been an open book for the better part of four decades, since she hit the ground here in south carolina. >> mr. mayor, she's -- >> sure, please. >> real quickly, though. if she's going against bernie sanders in this primary, he's saying i don't have those speeches. and she's also trying to draw a distinction between why she's the best to take on wall street and be better than the republicans. why does she need to have a level playing field with them? isn't she trying to say i'm superior to them because my battle with wall street is real. i will take them on on your behalf? >> well, i appreciate that. i think when you're discussing this, you look at her record. you look at her record on dodd/frank, the work she's done, and the work that she's done speaks for her. and you saw the response from the crowd last night, which was a balanced crowd. it was an enthusiastic response
to her answer to the question. and it's not just the media. it's usually republican politicians you find one thing with hillary clinton, you guys keep hammering and hammering and hammering it. she will release her speeches when senator sanders releases his paid speeches and when the republicans do so as well. there's nothing inconsistent about that. there ought not be one rule that applies to hillary clinton and a different rule that applies to everyone else. everyone drop them on the same day and we'll move forward. we're focusing here. >> bernie sanders says he doesn't have any paid speeches to wall street. >> yeah -- >> we'll see if the republicans step up to the plate. >> he does have paid speeches to other entities. let's see those released. >> mr. mayor, before i let you go, it's going to be tight in south carolina. hillary clinton leads. do you think it's a win for bernie sanders if he can come within ten points of her? >> absolutely not. we're not playing the expectations game. we're playing the winning game.
secretary clinton is going to win in south carolina. she's going to win big. it's going to provide momentum for a big win on march 1st. i'm excited about the millennials to senior citizens getting involved. this is a good thing for democracy. i'm excited about the competition. it made senator sanders and secretary clinton better advocates for good progressive politics in the state and across this country. it's a good thing. we're going to win, and we're going to win big, and i think it's going to provide momentum for an even bigger win on march 1st. >> three days to go, columbia mayor stephen benjamin. say hi to our friends at the liberty tap room. thankprise your time. >> speaker of the house paul ryan weighed in moments ago on the battle with president obama to replace supreme court justice antonin scalia. take a listen. >> the president has every right to nominate someone, but let's not forget the fact that congress is a separate but equal branch of government, and the senate has every right not to
act on a nominee. both sides have rights here. and there is a pres dnls not acting on a nominee in the middle of a presidential election. >> so at the same time, president obama is weighing in with a new message of his own. i want to bring in now the publisher of scotus blog, supreme court expert tom goldstein. good to have you here. what strikes you most about the piece that's written by the president? let's start there. >> well, the president wrote for us this morning on the criteria that he was looking for in a nominee. and a lot of it is what i think americans would expect. somebody who is incredibly in l intellige intelligent, someone who is willing to interpret the law, not make the law. i think presidents on both sides make those kinds of points. the thing that struck me the most is that the white house doesn't seem to be scoring political points here. they're -- they seem to be trying to take this down the middle, try to appeal to republicans, to say this is my constitutional responsibility as the president. i want to try to pick somebody who would be acceptable to all americans and to you.
even though it seems like it might be hopeless given the position of the republicans. >> well, the president outlined the qualifications eminently qualified, someone who recognizes the limits of judiciary role, keen understanding that the justice is not about abstract legal theory. but talk about what the opposition is on the hill, especially with chuck grassley, and mitch mcconnell. >> sure, well this has turned into a battle over the future of the supreme court. justice scalia's death left the court in a 4-4 tie. the new appointment could chart the direction of the court to the left or right for 25 years. so the stakes are very high. what republicans in the senate are basically saying is we're going to block any nominee. we don't care who it is, because we think that a republican could win the presidency in 2016, and then we would get to make the appointment. it's power politics. and really, nothing more going on than that from the republican side. they treasure this seat on the supreme court, and they want every chance to be able to fill it themselves.
>> tom goldstein, thank you, sir, very much. nice to see you. >> thanks for having me. >> so coming up, a family affair. wait until you hear this. we have a guest, marco rubio's liberal side of the family. his first cousin, a democratic state senator from nevada. mo dennis is going to join me live. we won't talk about the thanksgiving dinners. we're going to talk about this primary. plus, vegas casino owner and close partner of donald trump phil ruffin joins me next. i swear i saw it swallow seven people. seven. i just wish one of those people could have been mrs. johnson. [dog bark] trust me, we're dealing with a higher intelligence here. ♪ the all-new audi q7 is here. ♪
we continue our live broadcast here from las vegas. and this is where marco rubio came in a distant second behind donald trump last night, even losing the coveted latino vote in a state that is almost 28% hispanic according to the 2014 census. joining me now is someone who not only belongs to that community but also represents it, nevada senate majority leader mo dennis. interestingly enough, senator dennis is also first cousins
with marco rubio, and you are a hillary clinton supporter. >> that's right. >> we won't talk about family holidays because obviously, thanksgiving is going to be crazy for you around the dinner table. but how do you explain for the state and the temperature of a donald trump message resonating better than a message of a latino gop american as your cousin? >> you know, it's kind of -- this is kind of a crazy cycle. i think that you have to really look at the community as a whole. we had a huge hispanic turnout on saturday, democratic, and there's a lot of concern in the community about what's going on. >> when you talk about concern in the community, what do you mean specifically? and last night, donald trump was able to carry the latino republican vote that came out in a majority over two cuban americans. >> like any community, the hispanic community has different folks that are in it, and as far as
the community, especially the community that i represent, which is one of the largest hispanic communities in the state, the big concern, immigration, jobs, education, so you know, in that, latinos have different feelings. and immigration, you see not at the top of the list, however, the rhetoric that's been going on is a great concern to many in the community. >> how often do you talk to your cousin, and have you talked during the primary season? >> we used to talk quite a bit. it's a little harder now. mostly through texts and it even takes a day or two to get back. we try to keep up. >> do you obviously want to see your cousin go against hillary clinton or do you think it's going to come down to a different general election? >> i don't know. he's got great people that are working for him. i think he's got a great strategy. so it will be interesting to see what he does. >> we shall see how it boils down. tomorrow night, he'll be on the debate stage in houston. thank you, sir. really appreciate your time. >> as we talk about what's
taking place in the primary cycle, big money is rolling into the campaigns. one candidate has made it clear he doesn't need help. he refuses to accept donations even from his close friends, which includes billionaire business partner phil ruffin. >> phil said, donald, like for the last three months, he's driving me crazy. he said, donald, i want to put $10 million into your campaign. i said, filphil, i don't want y money. i'm self-funding. it's hard for me to turn down money because that's not what i have done. i grab and grab and grab. >> so i spoke with ruffin, who is the owner of treasure island casino and a partner in trump international here. he told me why he supports donald trump and why big money donors are bad for politics. joining me now is las vegas business mogul, phil ruffin, who is also a good friend of donald trump. phil, great to have you with me. you and donald trump own a business here together, correct? >> we have the trump towers. >> the trump tower.
okay, so what is it like to be in business with donald trump? >> he's a genius. brilliant. best business partner you could ever have. if you have a chance to get in business with him, do it. because he's super smart. >> you have been on the campaign trail with him as he's bouncing around in nevada. what is it like behind the scenes seeing your good friend and business partner on the campaign trail and the success he's having? >> donald is very enthusiastic, and it's unbelievable to watch him operate. the donald i know is very bright. he's just been a great friend over the years. you know, i have known him for a long time. he was the best man at my wedding. i encouraged him not to run. >> i said -- >> you encouraged him not to run? why would you tell him not to run? >> i said, you're making $200 million a year. you're a king of the world. why would you want this aggravation? >> what did he say? >> he said, it's broken and i can fix it. >> when it comes to the issue of
funding, we know that a businessman in this area committed a lot of money in the primaries to newt gingrich. what are you hearing about why he's sitting this out so far? are you hearing anything? >> i don't know sheldon very well. but i don't think he's decided yet. i'm not sure he's decided. so you would have to ask him. i don't know. >> from your perspective, do you think it's a good thing to keep big money out of politics? >> yes, i do. >> why? >> i think they should change the law. you know, they shouldn't be able to put $100 million, $200 million. i don't like that. i think it's wrong. >> you think he can go all the way? be the gop nominee and win the white house? >> i think he can do both. >> what's one other personal fact about donald trump our viewers might not know. >> he's the best man at my wedding, and i said, he said, i need to get you a present. mar-a-lago, his estate in florida, it's wonderful, by the way. that's where we had the wedding.
and he said, i don't know what to get you. i said, well, i don't know. he said, i know what i'm going to do. i'm going to pay for everything. so donald paid for my wedding. and i said, i'm going to get lionel richie for $300,000. will you pay for that? he said, no, that's your dime. >> he knew where to draw the line, at entertainment. >> i love the guy. >> phil, thank you for your time. >> thomas. >> really appreciate it. and thank you very much. >> okay. all right, hearing from phil ruffin there. meanwhile, the first sitting member of congress is now publicly endorsed donald trump. chris collins of new york. so donald trump can add that to his column of current momentum as we move into super tuesday. speaking of which, seven day seven states, it's all a huge road trip leading us straight to super tuesday. the woman behind the wheel, our chris jansing. we'll catch up with her in oklahoma city right after this.
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the future, and candidates setting their sights on super tuesday, just six days away. 11 states up for grabs, many in the south. chris jansing will visit seven states in seven days. chris joins me from her first stop in oklahoma city. chris jansing, you are a better woman than i. >> well, i am a woman. that is true, thomas. >> so let's talk about this, because democrats have the south carolina primary coming up on saturday. bernie sanders, though, is looking ahead and making a stop in oklahoma today. so is there a calculation why he thinks there's an opportunity there? >> yeah, it sounds kind of crazy, right, because this is a very red state. so red, thomas, that a former democratic governor says it's actually maroon. all of the federal offices, seven held by republicans.
all the state-wide offices held by republicans. when you look at the polling in the super tuesday states, this one is the closest for bernie sanders. he's within two points of hillary clinton. and he has to show that he can win outside of a liberal state. so what's he doing here? you mentioned, he's coming here today to tulsa. it's one of only five states where he's running ads and taken one of his top people out of iowa, his straight director there, and brought that person here because he knows he has to log a win on super tuesday. he's going to have by the end of the week 16 full-time staffers in oklahoma. it shows you just how important it is, and one more fact, you know, democrats here aren't used to in recent history being the object of attention, so democrats that i have talked to say they think that the electorate will be excited about this. they're going to get a lot of people out. the green party is endorsing bernie sanders. so this is an opportunity for him to show that he can still be a winner, thomas. >> chris, we know it's going to be an amazing road trip for you
and all of us to watch this and your reporting from the field because i know how hard you and the team have been working to put this together. >> come out and visit us. >> i'll try to catch up with you, but you are just too fantastic for me. so i'll be in the fumes of your vapor trail, as you are crisscrossing around this country. chris jansing, great to see you again. safe travels to you. we're going to see you later at 1:00 p.m., and that's going to wrap up this hour of msnbc live from vegas for me. i'll see you back here at 3:00 p.m. eastern. stick around, tamron hall coming up next from columbia, south carolina. takes a lot of work... to run this business. but i really love it. i'm on the move all day long... and sometimes, i just don't eat the way i should. so i drink boost® to get the nutrition that i'm missing. boost complete nutritional drink has 26 essential vitamins and minerals, including calcium and vitamin d to support strong bones and 10 grams of protein to help maintain muscle. all with a great taste. i don't plan on slowing down any time soon. look for savings on boost® in your sunday paper.
democratic primary. and the focus for the gop, as you already know, has turned to the critical super tuesday states. the candidates fanning all across the country, with donald trump, marco rubio, ted cruz, and john kasich still hanging in there, holding events in four states with upcoming contests. that after donald trump's landslide win. a 22-point victory in nevada fueled by a record voter turnout. trump's third straight win, following new hampshire, and of course, where we are, south carolina. >> if you listen to the pundits, we weren't expected to win too much, and now we're winning, winning, winning, the country. we won the evangelicals. we won with young, we won with old. we won with highly educated. we won with poorly educated. i love the poorly educated. >> that might be the line of the
night, i love the poorly educated. with the final votes yet to be counted, marco rubio is edging out ted cruz for second place, as was the case in south carolina last saturday, with the others far behind, but no indications they're leaving the race. for trump, he now has more momentum heading into next week's gop super tuesday contest. look at that screen there, 11 states. including senator cruz's home state of texas up for grabs today. but this morning, trump refusing to say republican nomination is now his to lose. >> i can only say that we're doing really well. we have tremendous numbers out of the different states that we're going to this coming week. you look at georgia, if you look at texas, where we have a good shot. and you look at some of them down the line, i think we have amazing numbers. >> also this morning, senator rubio discussing a question being raised, even by now some of his supporters.
here's the question and i'm sure you have asked yourself this. why hasn't rubio gone after the fro front-runner, donald trump? instead, he's focusing almost exclusively on ted cruz. this morning, willie geist on the "today" show asked rubio about it. he's now dismissing it as a media narrative. >> i don't have any voters begging me to attack anyone. i'm not in this race to attack any republican. i'm more than happy to show differences. >> forgive me the interrupshz -- >> i didn't run for office to tear up other republicans. >> of course, we have this all covered with our nbc correspondent covering the campaigns for you, a lot to get to this hour. certainly, let's begin with kerry sanders, covering the front-runner, trump. he joins us live from vegas, and kerry, while marco rubio indicated this morning he would not go after donald trump, he basically says he's a counterpuncher. if trump goes after him, that's when he'll return fire. this sounds so familiar, almost
like the so-called bromance between trump and cruz when they were not turning their attacks on each other. >> well, donald trump told voters before the caucus here in nevada that he enjoys actually the back and forth that he's had with ted cruz, that he had with jeb bush. but then he told voters that he is not attacking marco rubio because marco rubio has not attacked him. that seemed to have those in the crowd wondering, well, when is that attack going to happen? almost as if they enjoy this back and forth. and again, this morning, donald trump after his victory here in nevada, talked about that on the "today" show. >> so far, he's been very nice. i think i have been very nice to him. we haven't been in that mode yet, but probably it will happen. if it doesn't happen, that would be a wonderful thing. >> of course, the question is, is that back and forth some people are wondering, an indication that if donald trump continues to run the table,
whether marco rubio might be included on his short list for a vice presidential candidates. this is way too early. we have a long way to go before there's an actual selection of a candidate for the republican party for the president of the united states. meantime, donald trump's wife, melania, had an exclusive interview with msnbc's mika on "morning joe," and this is what melania had to say about that issue concerning donald trump's early statements about people coming across the border from mexico to the united states, and whether that offended hispanics and specifically mexicans. >> i don't feel he insulted the mexicans. he said illegal immigrants. he didn't talk about everybody. he talked about illegal immigrants. and after a few weeks, like after two weeks, giving him hard time, and bashing him in the
media, they turn around and said, you know what, he's right. >> melania, who is donald trump's wife, 45 years old, former model from slovenia. today, donald trump is in virginia, where he will be in about an hour meeting with more supporters as his campaign rolls on. tamron. >> all right, kerry, thank you. let me get you more details on the horse race from the gop side. gabe gutierrez is following the rubio campaign. he joins us live from grand rapids, michigan. i a lot of people are dissecting the answer from senator rubio, skeptical he will ever take on donald trump and many believe he may be playing for a vp slot. how is he taking this? >> hey there, tamron. good morning from a very snowy grand rapids. a lot of people, the rubio campaign, first of all, is dismissing this notion repeatedly that they should be taking on donald trump right now. they're really pushing back hard
against it. the reason they are is they say, look, there's no reason to provoke donald trump just yet. they're focused on getting republicans to coalens around them. they feel when the field winnows, then they will be able to be positioned to be the anti-trump. as kerry mentioned, speculation for the possible vp nod, that's much too early to talk about that. however, the rubio campaign, they arrived here in grand rapids and had a rally here last night. now they're on the way to texas for that debate. this morning on the "today" show, you played a part of the interview. i want to play the portion where he talked about why he feels as this competition goes forward, as he takes -- as it goes forward, that the republicans will coalesce around him and he'll gain grounds as other candidates drop out. take a listen. >> candidate has dropped out between saturday and today, and that's governor bush. i think you'll see more of that happening over the next few days
and weeks. as that happens, i think we're only going to get stronger. you have seen a growing number of people joining our efrtd. we're the only one in the race that can unite the republican party and grow it which is how we're going to win the election in november. >> now, there are several things to watch out for in the marco rubio campaign in the next few days. first, the debate tomorrow night in houston. a question of will donald trump go after rubio? will rubio go after donald trump? a big matchup will be whether he go after ted cruz and how much over immigration? the second thing will be super tuesday. the rubio campaign feels they can pick up delegates along the way, but his campaign faces an uphill battle in many of the states. they feel they can do well in minnesota, virginia, even colorado. they will be watching texas and how well ted cruz does there against donald trump. third place is florida on march 15th. that state is crucial for marco rubio. if he loses that, it's very hard to see any path to the nomination. tamron. >> gabe, thank you.
let's get to las vegas again where jon ralston was recovering the results from last night. he's an msnbc political analyst. and host of ralston live. so jon, what did we learn in nevada last night that is likely to be one of the headlines super tuesday? >> well, the momentum that trump got here was much greater than anyone anticipated, tamron, getting almost half of the vote. and essentially saying to everybody, look, you may not have thought that what happened in the last two states was real, and i was in the 30s, high 20s. 46% of the vote, cutting across all demographic groups. even winning hispanics on the republican side, may not have been the greatest sample, but still, he'll keep saying it. and the fact is this creates such momentum going into super tuesday that i think that even ted cruz who has been talking about texas as his firewall, has to be worried about what this could do to the polling in texas, especially as trump goes into super tuesday with all of this momentum.
>> and jon, you're the best in the business out there in nevada. you brought up the hispanic vote. something that donald trump also touted. this is part of i think what the criticism of the media and how we have covered his campaign. he got up and says, i won the hispanic vote, 46%. unoted it as well. but we're looking at a very small group of people. yes, he won it. but do you agree that he is inflating this headline perhaps looking ahead to the general election, knowing very well he is likely to be on the underside of the hispanic vote, so he's trying to inflate that story line that is not clear when we say he won 46% of the hispanic vote? >> well, of course. all of trump's rhetoric is all about inflation and hyperbole, tamron, and of course, there's a much smaller number of hispanic voters registered as republicans who could participate in a caucus like that, as will be participating in the general election. and he's upside down with hispanic voters overall in every
poll that has been taken. you can be sure with the efforts to register hispanic voters by various groups. that's going to be a real problem for trump in the general election. with all of his rhetoric about building a wall and saying that mexicans coming here are rapists. that's a serious problem for him in the general election. every poll shows that. but that's, of course, trump is ignoring that to brag about every small sample of hispanics who voted for him in nevada. >> and that's exactly the point, because he's also alluded to that if he gets the nomination, he would win, for example, the black vote. he is looking ahead, even though this morning he sounded a little tired and a little more humble than we're accustomed to. he's looking down the line, and he is looking at nevada and other places where he has to appeal in some way to the hispanic vote. because what he does have a lock on, as he put it last night, is just about every other group in the republican party. 61% say they want the next president to be an outsider. he's the outsider. 58% say they are angry at the
federal government. he's a personification of anger, maybe not just at the federal government, but of all things, and we heard that now famous or infamous line from him last night, about loving the undereducated in this country. jon? >> i'm sorry, i thought you were playing that sound, tamron. i apologize. when trump said, i can't see that enough, trump saying i love the poorly educate said. what that says about our wonderful state, it's so great to hear that, tamron, but the point is when you put up those numbers and you see how trump cuts across all demographic groups, yes, he has very small margin for error in the general election. if he gets crushed by hispanic voters, especially in key swing states like nevada, colorado, and florida in the general election. but what we have seen consistently in this election, tamron, is that donald trump has changed the rules of politics.
cut across many groups, cut into many groups, we never thought that he could. if he can drive up the white vote in a way that mitt romney could not, he has a chance even if he loses the hispanic vote in a landslide, which he's likely to do. >> yeah. let me play a little bit of what reince priebus said today on cnn. many people were wondering last night, including chris matthews when he was on with you, about where is reince priebus in all this. he seemed to be mia, but he popped up this morning. >> we're going to embrace whoever the nominee is. i embrace all of these candidates. it's a big party. people are competing. and people are endorsing different candidates. i saw people going to john kasich. i saw people going to marco rubio. i saw steve winn with donald trump. yeah, we have drama. there's some intrigue in the party, but intrigue going on on the other side, too. that's what primaries are.
>> is chairman priebus kidding himself? he said we have endorsements all over, even thourows in john kasich's name. so far, they had one big winner. >> yeah, i mean, i don't even think reince priebus can sell that. he's looking himself in the mirror in the morning practices for the cameras. this is an absolute nightmare for the republican establishment of which reince priebus is the most visible example. he hates what's happening. but what can he say now? we're not going to support trump if he's the nominee? that will cause trump to run third party, which of course then, a lot of analysts would say would elect hillary clinton which is the real nightmare for h rien reince priebus. they didn't take him seriously. they thought he would beat himself, that didn't happen. >> jon, thank you so much. excellent reporting from nevada. now that the republican presidential candidates are on to super tuesday, as we all are,
much of their focus will be on the biggest state up for grabs. that's texas, where we're heading tonight. the state's governor greg abbott will endorse senator cruz this afternoon. it's a big boost for cruz whose best and only chance of scoring the presidential nomination hinges on him winning the state. take a look at the screen. texas has 153 delegates at play. most are awarded from the state's 36 congressional districts. each district has three delegates. here's the point. if a candidate wins the district by 50% or more, they get all three delegates. if not, then it's broken down by vote percentage. there are also so-called at large delegates up for grabs. cruz's campaign is hoping for complex formula for winning delegates will tip in his favor. the latest poll pout of texas shows the senator with just an eight-point lead over donald trump. and joining me now from houston is the former california
republican party chair, now the california chair of the cruz campaign. thank you so much for joining me. >> good morning. >> good morning. so normally, if you were to see a poll and say ted cruz is leading trump by eight points, you might say, okay, impressive. when you're talking about texas, and an eight-point lead from senator cruz, a very vocal texan, that is not good. how do you process it? >> oh, i think we're in great shape in the state of texas. as a matter of fact, we had that big endorsement coming out today. lieutenant governor dan patrick is chairman of the senator's m campaign in the state of texas. he won a come from behind victory when he ran in the senate. he ran against a sitting lieutenant governor and won a come from behind victory because he united conservatives. he knows how to win, and he's in good shape. we're looking now at a great campaign in the state of texas and moving on to super tuesday. our plan so far is exactly on track. we said initially that we would win one of the initial states
voting in the month of february. we did that. marco rubio's firewall in nevada has been burned to ashes. he did not win in the state of nevada as he needed to. he didn't win in south carolina as he said he needed to. we're in good shape going into super tuesday. >> you're telling me your plan was to win in iowa and lose in south dakota, evangelicals, and lose in nevada? that was the plan? >> no, our plan -- >> south apologize. >> our plan was to win one of the four early states. we accomplished that. marco rubio said his plan was to come in third in iowa, which he did. to come in second in new hampshire, which he came in fifth and win the state of south carolina, which he didn't, and then to win in the state of nevada as a firewall, which he didn't. so this is a 19-week process. our plan is built around that 19-week process. to get to 1,237 delegates. this is a race for delegates.
texas is the second largest state in the country, the biggest state in the country, california, which votes on june 7th, my state, we're well organized there, well positions there. the last poll conducted in california had us up by two. we're taking this one step at a time. i know a lot of the analysis wants to pretend the race is over after every election, but this campaign is build for the long haul and the next up is super tuesday. >> and let's be clear. we're not saying the race is over, but we're trying to understand the strategy, and i'll make the point here. in the course of our conversation by my count, you said marco rubio's name three times but never addressed the biggest challenge that's facing ted cruz in texas, which is donald trump. so let me ask you this. why has he been losing the evangelical vote to donald trump at this point? >> well, one thing that people should know, of course, is that the evangelical vote is not monolithic. in the more liberal parts of south carolina, for example, the coastal area or the capital of
columbia, marco rubio did better there because liberal evangelicals are more likely to vote for a different candidate. there's no question about that. that's not a monolithic vote. at the end of the day, it's critical for us to unite conservatives, which has been happening. and the dynamic of the race is also changed. we started with 17 candidates. now we're down to five. that will continue to narrow as we go forward, and the candidate who has a really hard time going forward is marco rubio. because marco rubio can't unite conservatives. ted cruz can. and that's the biggest element in the dynamic as we move forward toward a one-on-one race with donald trump. the candidate who has a problem in texas is donald trump and because he's not an elite here, not going to do well here. ted cruz is going to do well here. and the momentum that we have by having the endorsement of the state's very popular governor coming out today, joining the lieutenant governor and many other texas officials gives ted
cruz that boost going forward. >> well, listen, marco rubio thought the very popular governor of south carolina, nikki haley, would help him as well. it did get him ahead of cruz, but it did not get him a victory. so the whole notion of endorsements, even with popular governors, is kind of being turned on its head when you look add the polls out of nevada and folks are looking for the outsider voice. i also want to quickly ask you, though, out of nevada as well, the very conservative, donald trump took that vote 38%. rubio, 23%. senator cruz at 34%. amongst the very conservative, even after he applauded, donald trump applauded planned parenthood, some of the things he said about entitlements, some of the things that are completely anti-conservative, he still won the very conservative of your party last night. >> well, let me go back to the point that you raised concerning south carolina and those endorsements there, because i think that's important. if marco rubio cannot win in south carolina, where he had the
endorsement of the state's governor, the endorsement of senator tim scott, the endorsement of congressman trey gowdy, the entire establishment behind him, $15 million spent on ads communicating with about 800,000 voters, and he himself said he was going to win in south carolina. if he could not win there, then where is he going to be able to win? where on super tuesday, and he was asked this question, and he answers florida. florida votes on march 15th. by the time the polls close in his own state of florida, a total of 60% of all the delegates will have been allocat allocated. so if anybody has a challenge going forward, it's marco rubio. >> okay, thank you so much for joining us. it's a great pleasure. we'll see what happens in texas on super tuesday. and still ahead, while senator cruz leads as i mentioned the latest texas poll by single digits, trump is stepping up his ground game in texas. here's the question. can trump break through cruz's quote/unquote stronghold now that he's received this endorsement from the governor of
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from members of congress. congressman chris collins of new york told the buffalo news today he supports trump because he has, quote, guts and fortitude. also today, congressman duncan hunter of california told politico he's liked trump from the beginning and he suspects other republicans in congress secretly, interesting, support trump too. that's an interesting word, secretly support trump. why secretly? meanwhile, some of trump's rivals are focusing on states in super tuesday. marco rubio, ted cruz, both left for texas, and both are holding rallies in the lone star state today. texas is the grand prize march 1st. 155 delegates. we keep saying it because it's a big number. joining me now, senior writer of texas monthly magazine. great magazine. thanks for joining us. we heard the surrogate cruz on with us, touting the endorsement of the governor greg abbott, will it matter?
>> it matters to me. he is the governor of texas and he knows him well. he hired ted cruz as solicitor general. they worked together for years. they're genuinely close, they're friends. it's not surprising he would endorse cruz. he would prefer cruz. he knows him better than anybody. but it's nice to see the governor of the state come out and make it official. >> i gsz the question is not whether or not they like each other, it's whether or not it's enough to help him beat donald trump. right now, he's up single digits and the momentum, whether it's ooengicals, whether it's the angry white vote, the most conservative or very conservative, it appear all leaning toward donald trump. >> i would be shocked if donald trump wins in texas. i think cruz, regardless of who's winning, ted cruz will win texas. he's very popular here, a senator. >> it's been noted that ted cruz went straight home to texas. he said last night, so he could sleep in his own bed, but there are other states, if he had texas as locked and secure as you're saying here, perhaps he
would go look at some of the s.e.c. states where the battle is a little tighter when you know you're comfortable at home. instead, he's chosen to laser focus at least right away after losing in nevada on texas. why do you believe that is? >> he is going to other states. he'll be in arkansas this afternoon, at least. so he's competing in other states also. i'm more curious about why marco rubio who hasn't set a goal of winning any of these states is in texas, which he's not going to win. aren't you? >> a lot of people are curious. what i am curious about, i'll be honest with you, i know you're not a fan of donald trump. i am curious why people who lean toward ted cruz and two back-to-back interviews have chosen to target marco rubio. i have heard in the last 28 minutes from two texans, you know, in the camp for cruz seemingly, who only focus on marco rubio. do you know why that's trending this morning? do you know why people keep asking what's going on there? >> i'm happy to talk trash about
donald trump. i think he's a grotesque and worthless person. i would never -- i mean, watching the campaign, it's been hard to see him win the support with his character and temperament. as far as rubio, i'm not in the camp. you talk to a staffer for cruz before. i would be happy to see marco rubio win a primary or caucus somewhere. he hasn't done that yet. i think for given how i feel about trump, for rubio to focus on cruz and the idea that there's a final scenario where it's rubio versus trump is basically just taking a huge risk that trump is the nominee and then the president. so i would like to see rubio compete harder. >> if cruz loses texas, is it done? >> yeah, probably, and probably for me, too, because i will know nothing about politics at all. >> okay, i'll have you back on and hopefully you'll still be employed and me too. that was a strange answer, but thank you. >> on the democratic side, even more delegates are up for grabs
in texas. 252. my goodness, you never go what you're going to hear on live television. hillary clinton has consistently held a wide lead over sanders. the latest poll from texas tribune and university of texas shows clinton at 54%. that's ten points over senator sanders. while there is still over a week to go before the votes are cast, the state's democratic party is looking beyond the primary to the general election in hopes that this is their best chance to turn the notoriously red state blue. we keep hearing this story line, and it would reverse a trend that dates back to 1980. joining me now, crystal perkins, executive director of the texas democratic party. crystal, thank you so much for joining us. i feel that we're getting ahead of ourselves and i feel it's a conversation that comes up so often with our state, but let's look at the race at hand. bernie sanders and hillary clinton, the demographics of texas, and why it favors hillary clinton at this point. >> well, hillary clinton has a long history here in texas.
you have seen a lot reported that she was down here in her early life voting, registering voters in the valley. so we have a history with hillary clinton. but i'm really impressed with the ground game that senator sanders has put together. he had an office here in austin for months now. organizing the state. the last couple of weeks, we have seen both of the campaigns really turn their sights on texas. we have been excited to have secretary clinton, president clinton, you know, we had governor richards in here this week, and so you see her surrogates coming into texas, and texas, the democratic candidates really turn their sights on this state. you're right. it's a huge prize on super tuesday. secretary clinton holds a little bit of a lead right now, about ten points. but you know, it's up for grabs. we're just excited we have two campaigns talking about the issues that are so important to texas voters. talking about middle class
working issues that people need to hear about. for so long -- >> what about immigration? >> immigration is a huge issue for texans. yes, you know, that's an issue. you being a texan know that it's very close to home. we're a border state. that understands the challenges of immigration, and we need a president who believes in comprehensive immigration reform with a pathway to citizenship. that's important for voters here in texas. you know, you have the freight train of donald trump coming through. i disagree with erica a little bit. i think it is still up for grabs. you know, he's within single digits of ted cruz in his home state. the that's very telling. you partner that with his rhetoric on latinos and hopefully my former mayor and fellow san antonioen maybe being on the ballot, mayor julian castro, and that's a recipe for really turning out the latino voters we need edfor so long to
be engaged in the party. >> let's talk back to the democratic candidates. i'm curious how bernie sanders, his ground game, and how his message of income inequality has resonated. for a long time, governor rick perry had he was in the race the short period of time this time around, very much touted the economy of texas and how well it was doing. it was noted that he repeatedly, though, ignored the wage stagnation in the state, the issue and crisis of health insurance for people in the state, the so-called working poor in the state of texas. >> yep. well, look, yes, we do have low unemployment in texas, but they don't talk about our stagnant wages and about income inequality and the fact that texas still has the largest uninsured population in the country. there are big, big challenges that republicans have not addressed in this state. so we're excited that both senator sanders and secretary clinton are talking about these issues, talking about college affordability, making sure that our young people can be educated
and come out of college without a mountain of debt like so many of us are crippled with. we have two candidates talking about the issues that techens care about. stuff that people stay up late at night thinking about. are my kids going to good schools, are they going to get a good job when they come out, are they going to have a mountain of debt, are they going to have health care? our texas leaders have failed up on these issues that are so important to working class texans, middle class families in the state. >> well, crystal, thank you. by the way, the last time a democrat won state-wide office in texas, 1994. a little later, we'll talk about the possibility if ever texas will changeilities shade. thank you very much, crystal. >> we're working hard. thank you so much. >> i know you are. new this morning, president obama writes a piece for scotus blog saying he will appoint a replacement for justice antonin scalia in the coming weeks after senate republicans give some of their strongest language yet, saying they have taken the vow
to block any nominee. coming up, what the president has now outlined as the type of judge he wants to nominate. we're still live, as i mentioned, in charleston, south carolina. these two adorable women behind me, you guys, i keep saying where am i? i'm in columbia. you have twitter fans who say you need your own twitter handle. the boys are watching, ladies. we'll be right back. when my doctor told me i have age-related macular degeneration, amd we came up with a plan to help reduce my risk of progression. and everywhere i look... i'm reminded to stick to my plan. including preservision areds 2. my doctor said preservision areds 2 has the exact nutrient formula that the national eye institute recommends to help reduce the risk of progression of moderate to advanced amd... after 15 years of clinical studies. preservision areds 2. because my eyes are everything.
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promise from senate republicans they will not hold confirmation hearing votes on or even meet with the eventual nominee. writing in scotuss blog, president obama says the appointment is a spaublth i take seriously, and goes on to say, as senators prepare to fulfill their constitutional responsibility to consider the person i appoint, i hope they move quickly to debate and then confirm this nominee. i'm joined now by amy howe, editor of the scotus blog. thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> let's talk more about what the president outlined he's looking for for a nominee. what's the headline there? >> he's looking for a nominee, he says this is a responsibility that i take very seriously. and then he outlines the qualities that he's looking for in a nominee. >> and the qualities that stand out to you, i know he's not exclusive to judicial experience, as i understand it. >> i think that's right. you know, the first two
qualities, the idea that this person will have impeccable credentials and integrity and is going to apply the law as written, not make it. those are actually fairly standard. i went back and looked at the remarks that president george w. bush made when he nominated chief justice john roberts. but it's the third quality, the idea that this person is someone who isn't -- who has experience sort of the daily life of law and how it affects other persons is the one that's a little more unusual. it sounds a lot like what he said before he nominated justice sonia sotomayor. >> we know on the other side, you have supporters of the president. other democrats who see this latest vow from republicans as obstructionism. and many republicans, though, are pointing to then senator biden, 1992, advocating against considering a supreme court pick by george w. bush in the election year. let me play it, and we'll talk about it in context. let's play it. >> it is my view that if a
supreme court justice resigns tomorrow or within the next several weeks, or resigns at the end of the summer, president bush should consider following the practice of a majority of his predecessors and not, and not, name a nominee until after the november election is completed. >> that's been put out on social media, referenced by a number of conservatives. at the time, there was no vacancy, at the time, senator biden referring to a hypothetical scenario, speaking in june of the election year, not in february, what we're looking at here. but is there again a legitimate claim now from the republicans when they say we won't even meet with this nominee? >> i mean, the problem with what's going on right now is there are so few instances in which there have been retirements or deaths requiring someone new on the supreme court in an election year, that you
can -- it really can go both ways. the vice president has said it was a hypothetical and he was talking about a retirement or resignation rather than a death. and so there has certainly been -- i did a blog post on it, earlier, we went back to the beginning of the 19th century, there certainly has been nomi e nominees who have been nominated and confirms in an election year. justice anthony kennedy was confirmed in february of 1998, the year, the last year of president reagan's presidency. it's really -- it can go both ways is the way to sum it up. >> amy, thank you so much. we'll talk more about that. thank you for joining us. >> today, hillary clinton will be right here in south carolina, ahead of this weekend's primary. bernie sanders is in missouri, after his team unveils a new strategy. we're going to dig into where
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bernie sanders today is pushing back on the suggestion that he is looking past south carolina to the super tuesday states. and that the delegate math favors hillary clinton. taking tough questions this morning at a news conference right here in columbia. >> there is a feeling among some in south carolina that you are writing off the state. >> no, no, no. this from day one was going to be a very difficult state for us. we're not writing off south carolina. you all know that on march 1st, there are a dozen states that are holding elections. >> how do you think you can win this nomination? >> by getting more delegates. are you ready for this one? the answer is by getting more delegates than my opponent. >> senator sanders is now heading for an afternoon rally
in kansas city, missouri. later today, he travels to oklahoma, one of the super tuesday states, where he's actually favored. he does not have any campaign events here in south carolina, while hillary clinton will be stumping throughout the day. and coming up, the biggest test now for donald trump, still remains super tuesday. if he wins big, and then takes florida in two weeks, does that leave a path to the nomination for ted cruz or marco rubio? or is this thing, as they say, now over? we're still live in columbia, south carolina. where these lovely people are joining us, and ladies, the dates are coming in on twitter. you're like the new tinder. i'll explain what that is. we'll be right back.
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we are back in columbia, south carolina. now, following donald trump's third-straight primary victory, many, such as "the washington post," beginning to believe trump's road to the gop nomination is not only plausible but it is now inevitable. what do you think? you can tweet us or go to our facebook page. here are some numbers. five candidates in the race, trump leads the pack with 81 delegates challengers, ted cruz and marco rubio trail far behind with 17 delegates. with 1,237 delegates needed to win, one question is what are the avenues left? the remaining candidates to overcome trump. here to help talk about, it get your pencils out, andrew. thank you for joining us. >> thanks for having me, tamron. >> let's talk about cruz's path here. he is heavily focussed on texas where we are headed. is that his only path to victory? >> cruz has a very tough road ahead. his path to the nomination always relied on doing very well in the south. and it looked like that was
plausible for a while. he's a texan. he is an evangelical christian. he is very conservative, but then donald trump beat him by a lot in south carolina. so, if those south carolina results hold in other southern states, it's really hard to see a path for cruz to get to the nomination, most of the southern states are voting very quickly. >> the calendar does not appear to be on his side? >> yeah, exactly. pretty much all of the southern states will have voted in march, so if cruz doesn't catch up to trump now, if he doesn't turn things around really quickly, it's going to be pretty much impossible for him to be able to do it later on. >> let's pivot to marco rubio's path to viability. again, as with the case with ted cruz, i'm looking at their home states being in jeopardy and they happen to be from states that are incredibly valuable. >> yeah, that's right. rubio doesn't have as much at stake on super tuesday.
he has to do pretty well, but no one really ever expected him to win alabama or tennessee or georgia, some of the states that will vote that day. he is hoping to hang in there and drive the other candidates out of the race to face trump one on one. the problem is, is that going to happen quick enough? rubio's state, florida is coming up to vote on march 15th. it's a inwe are take all state and trump has led a few polls there lately. so if trump beats rubio in his own home state of florida that would be a big embarrassment and who knows if rubio could still continue of that. >> andrew, thank you so much for joining us. i apologize for the short segment. we ran into little hiccup here. we'll have you back on to dig more into those numbers. but thanks, buddy, for joining us. greatly appreciate it. >> thank you so much for having me, tamron. >> that does it for this hour of msnbc live. i'm here in columbia, south carolina. we're hitting the road in a couple hours. we're going to my home state of austin, texas.
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the vast and overwhelming majority of republicans do not want donald trump to be our nominee. >> southern states, hillary clinton poised for another victory in south carolina this weekend. bernie sanders heading out to next week's super tuesday states. >> there is a feeling among some in south carolina that you are writing off this state. >> this from day one was going to be a very difficult state for us. we're not writing off south carolina. you all know that on march 1st, there are a dozen states that are holding elections. and the nature of the world is that we have to go out to other states. and the battle over guantanamo, senate republicans trashing the president's plan to close gitmo. >> this is what i think of the president's plan to send terrorists to the united states. >> this is not a plan.
this is a series of facts, a wish list that is nonspecific. coming up here in an msnbc exclusive former secretary of state colin powell it in first interview since the president's plan was released only here on "andrea mitchell reports." and good day, everyone, i'm andrea mitchell in columbia, south carolina. this morning bernie sanders told me he is not writing off this state. even though has already left the state and is heading to three super tuesday states instead. what about the disappointing democratic turnout this year? >> why do you think democratic turnout is down, even in states where you win? >> listen -- >> because donald trump it seems has enormously expanded the turnout for republicans. is that the real revolution right now? >> tell me about turnout. what we are being compared to is
the phenomenon, which i said for a long, long time, of barak obama in 2008. barak obama broke the mold. now, in nevada, did we have the kind of turnout we wanted? absolutely not. >> joining me right here in columbia, nbc's kristen welker on the democratics. peter alexander is in las vegas on the latest on republicans following donald trump's big win there last night and chris jansing is in oklahoma kicking off her seven state super tuesday swing. so first let's g to you, peter alexander. let's talk about what happened last night in nevada. donald trump all the way. and in every sector of the electorate. >> reporter: yeah, you're right, andrea. vegas terms, donald trump has the hot hand in this race. now, winning three of the first four nominating contests, the last three in a row. as you noted, he is winning with all key demographics. he is the one who is consolidating the widest support right now, winning with men, with women, with all voters
above the age of 30, with evangelicals but most notably what he is getting support from is people who tell us they want a political outsider. they want somebody who says it the way -- tells it the way he is right now. he is also defied all of the common sort of conventional wisdom in this campaign. a lot of people thought he had a ceiling. he now had 46% of the vote in this state. 70,000 plus people voted at yesterday's caucuses. that's twice the number that showed up four years ago for mitt romney. donald trump is way ahead of romney's total numbers nationwide. he has roughly 420,000 votes in all across the country. compare that to 311,000 votes at this time that mitt romney had. this was also a bad night for ted cruz who could ill afford a third-place finish, he and rubio were way behind and cruz right now is counting in his own words on what will be the most important night of his campaign, that's texas, on super tuesday. just now he is getting a new
endorsement that will be announced in about an hour from now, that comes from texas's governor, greg abbott. take a listen. >> to my fellow texas conservative, i say this, we need to deliver. this is our time. ted cruz is our candidate. now, let's do our part to take this country back. >> reporter: well, it's kind of striking, andrea in all of this, we are waiting to see who greg abbott would endorse, now he is going with texas's home state senator, even though the senior senator in that state john cornen still has not endorsed cruz. andrea? >> in fact, it does not emphasize how grudging this endorsement from the governor was, coming only a week before the texas election? >> reporter: first governor and not a single senator in this country so far. this is the first governor to endorse ted cruz. >> it says a lot right there. thanks to peter alexander. and kristen welker is here with
me. you were not only covering the hillary clinton campaign but hillary and bernie both going see kwen shally up against each other last night at a democratic forrum. >> lot of sharp jabs last night, andrea. great to see you in person on the trail. >> together again at last. >> one of the hot topics last night was the issue of secretary clinton turning over those paid speeches that he gave to goldman sachs, the transcripts. she said, look, i'll do it if other people do it. sure, i'll do it. i haven't given any. here are all your paid speeches here. this continues to get to the trust issue. >> that noise we just heard was the transcripts not being turned over. >> exactly. not quite sure what that was. but it was a loud noise. but it gets to the trust issue with secretary clinton. you see senator sanders getting more aggressive at trying to point it out. having said that andrea, she has a huge lead here in south carolina, particularly among the
african-american vote. we saw how important that was in nevada. that's one of the reasons she is feeling very confident right now. she has the endorsement of jim clyburn. the five african-american mothers who lost their sons with interactions with police or gunfire. she had an emotional event last night. a lot of people here including sanders's supporters are saying he is not campaigning here. he is in missouri today and has another super tuesday state events. there's concern amongst his supporters even though he is far mind, they want him to try to catch up. >> he is going to oklahoma and then overnighting in ohio. so right, looking forward down the road. speaking of down the road, chris jansing, wonder woman is about to take off on a seven-state super tuesday tour in the blue mobile. i don't know how you organized this. it is just amazing. what's your first stop? >> so here we are oklahoma city and it's kind of crazy, andrea, this is not a state that is used to getting any attention for
presidential politics, but suddenly it's the focus of a lot of attention. it's such a red state with almost all the statewide offices, federal offices being held by republicans, that one former democratic candidate said it's maroon, it's so deeply red. the big contest here is on the democratic side because this is one of the places where right now in the polls it actually looks like hillary clinton is being threatened just a two-point difference with bernie sanders. so he is going all in. by the end of the week, he'll have 16 people here. he's already brought over his top organizer in iowa to come here and it's one of only five states where he's running ads. that just tells you how important it is. and it's important because he needs to show that he can win outside of a kind of liberal bastien. so very important for him. now, on the republican side, it's not a close race at all, like so many of these super tuesday states where we're going to be going, andrea. it's all about donald trump.
having said that, very tight race for second between ted cruz and marco rubio. and when you look at the battleground states that we're going across for super tuesday over the next seven days, two of those states, texas and arkansas are places where ted cruz plans to win, although it's surprisingly tight in his home state of texas. so these are the real opportunities for them to breakthrough. for marco rubio, there isn't a single state where he leads in the polls and for john kasich, of course, looking ahead to ohio where he looks like he could be in some trouble there, but here in oklahoma city, where the economy and oil prices are a big topic of conversation, suddenly presidential politics is all the rage, andrea. >> and when you get to texas, the big story is going to be exactly that point, is donald trump going to steal texas away from ted cruz, the home state senator, the favorite son, if you will, not so favorite among his fellow elected officials. so you've got a lot to play and
of course kasich same story could be if donald trump takes ohio away from john kasich, the governor. well, good luck on the road. we'll check in with you everyday. go ahead, chris. >> thanks. come visit any time, andrea. >> we may, in fact, be crossing paths. thank you very much. >> we may. make sure to stay tune to the kickoff in our next hour of chris jansing's road trip. it's the first stop of seven stops over the next seven days. it's right hire on msnbc. hillary clinton is hoping to shut out bernie sanders in the big super tuesday states next week, it could be tested in texas. a texas tribune university of texas online poll released tuesday shows that sanders is closing the gap on clinton in the lone star state, down just ten points after trailing by more than 30 points in the same poll back in november. co richards, not only a texas native, president of planned
parenthood action fund. great to see you. to those who don't know this, you are not only a texan, you are the daughter of the famous texas governor, ann richards. >> thank you so much. >> you are a proud texan at that. let me ask you first about that. does hillary clinton have a big lead in texas as far as you know? >> well, it certainly looks like it from the polling and of course she has a long history of involvement in texas, in the rio grande border area. she and president clinton have long been favored there. i think she'll do very well in texas. it's a state particularly for women's issues there have been unbelievable women's health programs including access to birth control and health screenings. she's been a great advocate for women's health her entire life. >> now, one of the issues that is trailing her, she's got big support here in south carolina among the african-american community and we'll be talking
about that in just a moment, but last night at the forrum again she had to answer questions about why she has not released the transcripts of her speeches to goldman sachs. it's been a big issue with sanders. this was her reaction on the cnn forrum. >> what secretary clinton saidly do it if other people do it. well, i am very happy to release all of my paid speeches to wall street. here it is, chris. there ain't none. i don't do that. >> will you agree to release these transcripts? they have become an issue? >> sure. if everybody does it and that includes the republicans because we know they have made a lot of speeches. you know what, if people are going to ask for things, everybody should be on a level playing field and i'm happy if that were the case. >> wouldn't it be more strategic to get out in front of this? we asked her at the msnbc forrum first asked her about releasing those transcripts. she kept putting it off. now she is saying if everyone does it, i'll do it.
wouldn't it be a lot to her benefit to just put it out there? >> well, i think what she was saying is that obviously that she's going to be possibly up against republican in november and it does need to be an equal playing field. but i will say, andrea, i've been campaigning in states all across the country, this is not what's on the mind of the american people. what's on the mind of the american people is affordable access to health care and jobs, child care, paid family leave, the kinds of issues that hillary clinton has actually talking about that are relevant to everyday americans. and i think those are going to dominate not only this primary but certainly the november elections. >> cecile, the head of planned parenthood, you've been through the mill with all of the controversy in the past couple of months. here is donald trump recently on meet the press and he sounds like he is in your court. let's watch. >> they do some very good work, cervical cancer, lots of women health issues are taken care of. planned parenthood does a lot of
really good job at a lot of different areas but not on abortion. i'm not going to fund it if it's doing the abortion. i'm not going to fund it. they say it's 3% and it's 4%. some people say it's 60%. i don't believe it's 60% by the way, i think it's probably a much lower number, but planned parenthood does some very good work. >> well, this -- >> it's a mixed blessing i guess. your response? >> this is one thing i a agree with donald trump on. they do amazing work for 2 1/2 million patients every year. the disturbing thing with donald trump and marco rubio and ted cruz said if they were president, they would end women's access to basic afford health care as well as overturning the affordable care act which is now coffering family planning for 55 million women. that's what's really at stake here. and so i appreciate his kind words. we're very proud of our work, but i think women in this country and families and men are going to be very concerned about
a president who wants to roll back access to affordable health care in america. >> cecile, with the expectations so high for her here in south carolina and then in many of the super tuesday states where she's spending a lot more money than he is in the biggest states, the northeast delegate-rich states sherks is spending money on television ads in every one of those 11 states, he is not. he is cherry picking. i wanted to ask you about that but we have to come to this in just a moment. let me interrupt because the president has just spoken answering a question from the white house press core about the supreme court nomination. >> when there's a vacancy. and that the senate exercises its candidates for the sproum when there's a vacancy. and that the senate exercises its constitutional role in advise and consent. i'm going to do my job. we are going to go through a process, as we have done in two previous supreme court
vacancies, to identify an outstanding candidate that has impeccable legal credentials and would bring the kind of ability and compassion and objectivity and legal reasoning to the court that the highest court in the land demands. once i've made a nomination, then aleader mcconnell will make a decision about how did they fulfill their constitutional responsibilities. i recognize the politics are hard for them because the easier thing to do is to give into the most extreme voices within their party and stand pat and do nothing. but that's not our job. our job is to fulfill our
constitutional duties. and so my hope and expectation is that once there is an actual nominee, once this is no longer an abstraction, that those on the judiciary committee recognize that their job is to give this person a hearing to show the courtesy of meeting with them. they are then free to vote whatever their conscience dictates as to whether this person is qualified or not. in the meantime, the american people will have the ability to gauge whether the person i nominated is well within the mainstream, is a good jurist, is somebody who is worthy to sit on the supreme court. and i think it will be very difficult for mr. mcconnell to explain how if the public concludes this person is very well qualified that the senate should stand in the way simply for political reasons.
we'll see what happens. and i think the situation may evolve over time. i don't expect mitch mcconnell to say that is the case today. i don't expect any member of the republican caucus to stick their head out at the moment and say that, but let's see how the public responds to the nominee that we put forward. the one thing i think is important to dispel is any notion that somehow this is some well established tradition or some constitutional principle that a president in his last year of office cannot fill the supreme court vacancy. it's not in the text of the constitution. ironically these are republicans who say they believe in reading the text of the constitution and focussing on the intent of the constitution. none of the founding fathers
thought that -- when it comes to the president carrying out his duties, he should do it for three years and then on the last year stop doing it. there's an argument that, well, the president shouldn't do this because he is a lame duck. well, the truth of the matter is that traditionally the term lame duck refers to the two or three months after an election has taken place, in which a new president is about to be sworn in. i've got a year to go. i don't think they would approve of me abda indicating on my duties as commander in chief and stop doing all the other work that i got to do. well, this is part of my job. there's been arguments that for 80 years this has been the tradition. well, that's not the case. justice kennedy was approved after being nominated by ronald
reagan in ronald reagan's last year of office. they say, well, that's different because he had been nominated in 1987, even if he was confirmed or '85 and he was confirmed in '86. well, the notion that there's some two-month period in which suddenly it all flips and everything shuts down? that's not a credible argument. what other arguments are they making? they suggest well there have been a couple times where democrats said it would be wise for a president not to nominate someone. first of all, we know senators say stuff all the time. second of all, these were comments that were made where there was no actual nomination at stake. so, it has no application to
actual -- the actual situation that we have right now. i'm trying to think of any other reads that they're grasping here as to why they would not carry out their duties. and i can't really think of one. i recognize that this is an important issue for their constituents and it's particularly sensitive because this was justice scalia's seat that is now vacant and that a whole host of decisions on the supreme court could turn on this ninth justice and their vote. but that's how or democracy is supposed to work. what i do -- last point i'll
make. we have already seen a breakdown of the judicial appointment process that gets worse and worse each and every year, each and every congress. it becomes harder and harder to get any candidates for the judiciary confirmed. we saw senator reid have to employ the so-call nuclear because there was a log jam on getting judicial appointments through. if, in fact, the republicans in the senator take a posture that defies the constitution, defies logic, is not supported by tradition, simply because of politics, then invariably what you're going to see is a further deterioration in the ability of
any president to make any judicial appointments. and appointments to the supreme court, as well as the federal bench, suddenly become a complete extension of our polarized politics. and at that point, not only are we going to see more and more vacancies and the court systems break down, but the credibility of the court itself begins to diminish because it's viewed simply as an extension of our politics. this is a republican judge or this is a democratic judge as opposed to this is a supreme court justice, who is supposed to be standing above the day to day politics that take place. so, i understand the posture that they're taking right now. i get the politics of it. i'm sure they're under enormous pressure from their base and their constituencies around this
issue. i've talked to many of them and i've told them, i'm sympathetic. and by the way, there's not a lot of vigor when they defend the position that they're taking that they wouldn't even use with a supreme court nominee. they're pretty sheepish about it when they make those comments. so we'll see how this plays itself out. but i'm going to do my job. i'm going to nominate somebody and let the american people decide as to whether that person is qualified. and if they are qualified, let the american people decide whether there's enough time for the u.s. senator to hold hearings and have a vote. it's not as if, from what i see, the senator calendar is so full that we don't have time to get this done. all right? thank you, guys. >> well, there you have it. that is the president who doesn't always take questions at these camera opportunities. that was a nine-minute and 16-second answer. boy, was he loaded for bears.
cecile richards is still with me. the democrats have been back on their heels because of a joe biden comment when he chaired the senate judiciary committee in 1992 saying there should not be a hearing for a supreme court nominee from the opposite party during that time when it was an election year. that said, the president is clearly making his case, you have a strong interest in the case that's going to be heard on monday with an eight-member court, 4-4 case potentially -- >> potentially. >> with the texas health clinics, which according to the lower court ruling, have been severely restricted by the requirement that doctors have hospital standing privileges. >> that's right. look, i think the president made his case quite well. he was elected to a four-year term, not a three-year term. i think that this kind of hyperpartisanship where we're actually willing not -- the
republicans are not willing to entertain judicial nominations including for their highest court is why people have such disregard for just sort of the breakdown in the system. but you're right, for women in america and for everyone, we deserve to have nine justices on the supreme court because important decisions are being made everyday, including a case next week wlabt women will continue to have rights, access to safe and legal abortion, access to birth control in america. i certainly hope the senate rethinks this and entertains whoever the president puts forward. >> thanks so much for being with us on all subjects today. >> good to see you, andrea. thanks. and meanwhile, bernie sanders has already left south carolina. he was here this morning. he denies that he's writing off the state where hillary clinton has a 2-1 lead among democrats according to the latest nbc news "wall street journal" meris poll and bigger lead among african-americans who dominate the demographics here. jamie, great to see you. >> great to see you, andrea.
>> you have not endorsed anyone, your mentor jim clyburn has clown his support behind hillary clinton. is bernie sanders taking too much for granted in leaving here? should he stay here and campaign more actively? >> i hope he hasn't taken south carolina for granted. you know, it's important. >> taking for granted that he doesn't have a chance of winning here. >> you know, south carolina is the gateway to the rest of the south. we have s.e.c. tuesday or super tuesday that's coming up on march 1st where there are a number of southern states that will be for grasp. well, the message that he has here is the message that he has to make sure resonates in those states like georgia and texas and arkansas. and if he doesn't, if he doesn't fine tune that message here where he has the best ground operation in the south in terms of his operation, then he's going to have trouble in some of those other southern states. if i were him, i would be spending as much time as i possibly can here in south carolina figuring out what works, what doesn't work and
then replicate that in the other states. >> according to our latest poll, she has a 40% head start, big lead among african-americans. but in all of the states so far, he has really done well with younger voters. so, they're both competing on college campuses. she will be with some sorority sisters this afternoon. what about younger african-americans, are they more in tune to bernie sanders than their parents are? >> i think they're more open over his message. i think when we have the result on saturday we'll see that younger african-americans probably will flock towards bernie sanders. i think that is an achilles heel for the clinton campaign. it's something they're working on and trying to improve. >> what about his message, his main message is income disparity, which is of course a critical problem for all of the lower income people here in the state and also wall street, wall
street reform, her speeches, she won't release her transcripts from the goldman sachs speeches and finance reform. are those issues that african-americans in particular will respond to? >> the most important demographic for bernie sanders here is african-american women, particularly middle age, my mom's age, my grandmother's age. and though the wage disparities and all are important things, he has to make those things tangible and real for those folks. talking about wall street reform and ceos making millions of dollars, that's great. it's great for d.c., but it's not great for the people who live in the corner of shame here in south carolina who are just concerned about how they put food on the table, how to clothe their kids. so he has to make that real. he can't just tell us about it, he has to show it and demonstrate that. and we saw last night in the forrum that hillary clinton did a little of that showing by making it real, bringing
anecdotes to illustrate the points she wanted to make. that is the turn of the corner that bernie sanders has to make over the course of the next few days and weeks as we move from south carolina to some of the other southern states. >> jamie harrison, great to see you. >> thank you, andrea. >> thank you very much. coming up next, closing gaun on t gaun on the moe. discussion with colin powell. >> guantanamo has become a major, major problem for america's perception as its seen, the way the world perceives america. if it was up to merks i would close it this afternoon, not tomorrow. i would not let any of those people go. i would simply move them to the united states and put them into our federal legal system. burnin, pins-and-needles of diabetic nerve pain, these feet served my country, carried the weight of a family,
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i've been waiting seven and a half years for a plan in order for us to facilitate the closure of guantanamo bay. i'm still waiting because this is not a plan. >> what they've sent is a political document. this is a political exercise to check a block for a president who made a promise that he can't fulfill. there was a time when senator mccain and myself would have stood with the president to close this facility, open up a new one inside the united states that adheres to our values and recognizes we're at war. that time period has passed. >> republican arm services committee leaders today slamming the president's proposal to close the president at guantanamo. their point they say the president's plan is not specific enough. joining me now by phone is former secretary of state colin powell who long advocated for the detention camp to be closed. general powell, thank you very
much for being with us. what is your reaction to this republican criticism today the speaker ryan saying he is going to take legal action if the president tries to take any steps towards closing guantanamo and bringing some of the detain's here? >> the complaint seems to be that they don't have a specific plan up there. that's a complaint we can deal with. let vees the administration talk to the members of congress and put forth the elements of a specific plan. but i still believe as i have for the last 12 years that guantanamo should be closed. i supported that when i worked for president bush as secretary of state. he made the decision to close guantanamo and i support it out of government when president obama came in. as secretary of state, guantanamo was a heavy load to carry, when i talked about how you treat prisoners, how you can't have indefinite detention or the use of torture to get things out of people and i
always had push back at me look at what you're doing in guantanamo. the fact of the matter is that it has been slowly closing over the last ten years. we started with almost 800 people in guantanamo, we're down now to less than 100. where did the other 700 go? they're gone. they've been sent back. we didn't have charges on them. we didn't know how they had gotten there in the first place. we're down to under 100 and we'll cut that in half over the next several months. do we really want to keep -- do we really need to keep this place open for 50 remaining detainees who we can easily move to a secure facile in the united states? if the problem with senator mccain and senator graham is that they don't have a plan, they ought to demand a plan from the president and see if it satisfies their desires. they've always been for closing guantanamo as i have been. i think it's in the best interest of the nation. it's in the best interest of our moral authority around the world. we have to think about that, not just the politics of where the prison will be. we've got prisons that can hold
them. they're not going to cause any trouble once they get there or 11 worth or rikers island. there's a way of handling this. keep in mind that the article 3 federal courts have done a splendid job of throwing terrorists in jail far better job than the military commissions have been able to do. so i have confidence in our federal system. i have confidence in our constitutional way of doing business and i would like to see guantanamo closed. >> i mean, one of the points you just made is there has not been a single conviction from those military commissions, yet we have some 300 terrorists who have been convicted and are in jail in the united states who came the different route. that said, do they have a point? they're trying perhaps to bait the president into saying i would put them here, there, or everywhere in an election year when senators who are up for re-election are facing a lot of home state opposition. so already the rumors of kansas, colorado, south carolina is
generating a lot of political opposition, are both sides trying to play the game where the white house doesn't want to be specific because it doesn't want to put those senators on the spot? >> well, it is a political problem and i know that nobody really wants to accent these folks, but there are some prison facilities in the united states and we were looking at this years ago, who are anxious to get these folks into their unused prisons or almost vacant prisons. i think there's a capacity to do it, but i think the president has to work with the congress and see if he can satisfy their concerns about where they might go. of course, there are federal facilities even if they are in a state, of course, that i think could easily handle these people. and the point you make earlier is very, very important, the federal courts have been -- don't want to use the word vicious, but the federal courts have been determined to bring these people to justice and they are getting hard time. you put a terrorist before a jury of americans who are worried about their security and
i'm not worried about them getting off on some plea deal, they're going to get hammered and they have been hammered. and several hundred as you noted are now serving time in federal prison after short trials that found them guilty and put them in jail. so i think there's a way to handle this without increasing any risk to the nation, by giving the nation a much better image in the world, the world to see that we know how to handle things like this in a way that is honorable, constitutional, and satisfying our needs for security. >> their argument is also about the recidivism rate. i'm told by the administration that it's less than 5%, but they come back with conflicting data saying it's 30% that we're putting terrorists back on the battlefield when we release them from gitmo. do you have any response to that? >> i have heard all kinds of numbers. there have been some who have turned back to terrorism, some have died in the process. but i don't know what the real number is and i don't know the
pentagon or anyone else knows what the real numbers are, but i'll tell you this, though, because guantanamo exists we are recruiting more and more people who want to do us ill because of the image that we create with the rest of the world. and so it's almost the recruiting tool to fill any vacancies that exist as a result of killing recidivists. >> general colin powell, thank you so much. it's always good to talk to you, sir. >> thank you, andrea. bye bye. >> thank you. coming up, down but not out, bernie sanders looking for a comeback, can he find it in south carolina? one of his biggest supporters joining me now. right here on "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc, the place for politics.
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where? in kansas city, missouri. a state that does not vote until march th. here today he told me he is not writing off south carolina. and joining me now is dick, a bernie sanders supporter and former chair of the south carolina democratic party. good to see you. >> good to see you. >> well, first of all, why bernie sanders and not hillary clinton? you made a big choice. >> well, i think bernie sanders represents change. he's talking about doing something about the banks and farmer companies and all the folks that are victimizing the american people and hillary has taken $650,000 in goldman sachs and she represents some of the same old same old. >> why do you think that his message so far has not resonated with majority of the democratic primary voters who are african-american? >> i think two things going on here, one vote for hillary clinton is vote for nostalgia. that's the bill clinton president. i went to arkansas and new hampshire in '92 with bill
clinton. he can't run for a third term and she doesn't represent hopefully a third term for bill clinton. there's nostalgia for bill clinton that actually benefits her in dramatic ways and -- and i don't think bernie has that history. as they hear the message, especially young african-americans i'm beginning to see more and more support from him. he went to allen university, historically black college here the other day and had close to 1,000 kids, african-american kids cheering him. >> should he still be here today? he is going off and looking toward a march 8th state and super tuesday states? >> that's like saying should hillary gone to hollywood fd twor days to raise money after nevada. she needed money and she needed big money from big donors. and so she took two days off. i think bernie is using that his advantage. he is going to other states down the line. this is a marathon. this is not a sprint.
she is going to win here on saturday. what's the margin. how many delegates do they each get? then go on to super tuesday. >> why is democratic turnout down? the rel revolution is on the republican side where donald trump is bringing out new voters? democrats are not. >> you know, we could talk about donald trump for hours. i don't understand it. i don't comprehend a candidate who can promise everything in the world, have no backup, no figures and get the kind of support he is getting with the republicans. now, they've got a real race going on. they've got five or six candidates down now to four or five. and we just have two. so, maybe that's it. >> dick harpooltian, former state chair. bernie sanders supporter. i think we first met in 1992, little rock a long time ago. >> thank you. >> thank you again. coming up, mr. inevitable, can donald trump's rival slow his surge to super tuesday? donald trump is on the trail
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♪ welcome back. donald trump cruising to super tuesday now, powered by that big victory in the nevada caucuses. our entrance polling show that trump is getting support from a broad cross section of republican voters. joining me now ann garrett. you've been on the trail but we haven't seen a turnout in an election like those nevada caucus results. he was winning everywhere, including among hispanics.
he is running against two men, marco rubio and ted cruz among others, two men of cuban background and even though they are not a large proportion of hispanic voters in the republican electorate, does say something given all of his anti-immigrant rhetoric. >> absolutely. i mean, both marco rubio and ted cruz have powerful immigrant stories to tell. it isn't the exact same slice of the hispanic immigrant community, but you would think that it would resonate more, particularly i would think the rubio story. >> all his cousins live there, he spent part of his boyhood there. >> exactly. >> there's that on the republican side. then on the democrat side you don't see big turnout. we didn't see it in nevada which bernie sanders acknowledged to me today. and the revolution of new voters coming into the system seems to be all on the republican side not on the democratic side. >> yeah. we don't have a full test of that yet, with only three states having super tuesday will really
be the test for whether sanders in particular is bringing brand new voters or irregular voters in in great numbers. what we do know is he has huge support among young people and far larger than hillary clinton's. he doesn't have to turn out all of those supporters in order to make a big difference for him. >> now, you've covered the white house. here you have a president at a photo opportunity today answering one sentence, not one sentence, one answer, 9:16 responding to the republicans who are refusing to give hearings to whomever he nominates, site unseen. obviously they were back on their heels because joe biden had said back in 1992 when the democrats were in charge, he chaired the judiciary committee that there shot not be a hearing in the election year of it. >> god bless the c-span archives. >> that's exactly how that came about. >> exactly.
yes, the white house has a problem here because of the prior history here, both sides have something they can point to from previous presidencies and previous supreme court nominations that tend to back up their argument here. and you just have the two sides running right up against one another and certainly the senate republicans don't look like any -- they would even want to begin the process of any -- of looking at anybody that president obama would send up. that's what puts him in a difficult position. do you send somebody who is kind of a wasted effort or not? >> well, it does seem that from all of the signals we've had from what joe biden said to rachel mad doe last week from what we're hearing from the white house, when this nominee comes it will be more or less consensus choice, someone who has been confirmed by this senate in the past or someone who is largely acceptable to them, not someone to satisfy the liberal democratic base.
we are checking this right now, but according to a tweet from the press secretary to harry reid, the republicans are as of now refusing to even meet with the president, senator grassley, senator mcconnell, refusing to meet to talk about the supreme court. don't know if that's actual the case. we have to check with senator mcconnell's office, but if that's the case, this brings the level of gridlock to a whole new level. >> yeah, it does. and it sounds like it would be a potentially risky move to draw that kind of line in the sand. they must think if that is, in fact, what harry reid is being told, i mean, they must -- the republicans must think that they have more to gain from that by absolutely drawing a line and saying we're not even going to begin to consider this. and certainly politically for the republicans in the 2016 field that's the way they would prefer it. >> ann garrett, great to have you here in south carolina. that does it for this special
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seven-day, seven-state tour. we begin here and then we go to dallas, texas. we drive to little rock, arkansas, nashville, to birmingham, alabama, athens, georgia and finally on super tuesday, we will be in richmond, virginia. my colleague, kyle perry is along with us for this wild ride. we'll check in with him many in tulsa coming up. but we begin here in oklahoma city, the center of just one of 11 states holding 2016 contests on march 1st, at stake in oklahoma, 43 republican delegates. for democrats, 42 delegates, four of them superdelegates. in 2010, 7 out of 10 primary voters said their candidates religious beliefs mattered to them. it's the same state where 100 years earlier, 16% of oklahomaens voted the socialist ticket. in the 1912 presidential elections. so fast forward to today and republican front-runner donald trump now heads into super
tuesday on the cusp of being the presumed nominee. moments ago in virginia beach he reminded supporters, he didn't just win last night, he dominated. >> we had a very exciting evening last night. we polled fine and we really won big last night, so we ended up getting 46% of the vote. we totally won with evangelicals. i mean, we were big league with evangelicals. >> trump's win while predicted is a clear loss for marco rubio and ted cruz because everyday, every contest that goes by that they don't win, further weakens their argument that they can mount a serious challenge. not to be overlooked, self described democratic socialist bernie sanders who is eyeing oklahoma as a proving ground in his battle against hillary clinton. sanders looking to sweep up the state's growing number of independent voters. we have so much to talk about from oklahoma city. so let's turn to our group of election insiders, keeg gad di,
janet mendes heads the political science department at oklahoma state university and david walters is a democrat and former governor of oklahoma. great to see you all. i want to set the stage for oklahoma because governor, you have adopted a phrase that we like very much, this state is so red you say it's actually maroon. why do you say that? >> we're very conservative. barak obama didn't carry a single county here when he ran for election. he didn't carry a single county out of 77 when he ran for re-election. so, the dye has been cast in oklahoma to be a republican-dominated state and i'm just delighted that we have competition in oklahoma, that you're here and we can come out of the catacombs finally to talk about democratic politics. >> well, democratic politics and republican politics frankly. donald trump is leading here, as you know, keith. today he got his first two endorsements from members of congress, duncan huntser of california, chris collins of nok.
how close is he to being the presumptive nominee. >> there's a tipping point for the republican party right now which is if donald trump continues at the rate he is going and nobody drops out between now and michigan, he basically is in a position that he can win this things outright. >> you're buying the premise that the campaigns have when the race narrows to just me and donald trump, me being every other candidate then we have a fighting chance. >> the problem is we have three me. there needs to be one me for it to be a fighting chance. >> let's listen to what donald trump said about these new endorsements. >> i have many endorsements but i don't go out and seek endorsements. now as of yesterday people were calling and a lot of people were calling and i'll have many endorsements soon. but it's not something i want to work for to be honest with you. it's a waigs of time. endorsements mean very little. >> so janet, if you're looking at the super tuesday states and we're going to go across seven of them f you're ted cruz or marco rubio and you're a realist, do you have to win
something? >> yes. yes, for sure. ted cruz has to win texas. i mean, he has to take his home state. >> it's very close there suddenly. >> exactly. if he doesn't win texas we start wondering what's going on with him. >> and big surprise last night. he won a 45% of hispanics. there is no boundary that he seems unable to break. there's no rule that we all as pundits and journalists establish that he doesn't seem to kind of fly in the face of. >> no, he's not just taking one segment of the population, he is taking all segments of the population. he is doing extremely well. it will be hard for the candidates to get in there while they're splitting the vote but no one wants to drop out. what keith said f no one is going to drop out, it's his to take right now. >> you're all going to stay with us. let's talk about texas senator ted cruz. you talked about him in his home state. he is scheduled to attend a rally in houston in the next hour and today he earned the endorsement of his ohm state governor greg abbott. he needs it. texas has a wealth of potential
delegates come super tuesday but it's a fire wall for the senator who is trying to get back on message after his campaign has endured a series of knocks, including some of his reputation, fairly or unfairly, as a dirty trickster. last night this is how cruz framed his third-place finish. >> now, at this point we've had four primaries. history teaches us, that nobody has ever won the nomination without winning one of the first three primaries. and there are only two people to have won one of the first three primaries. the undenial reality that the first four states have shown is that the only campaign that has beaten donald trump and the only campaign that can beat donald trump is this campaign. >> republican congressman mo brooks of alabama joins me now from capitol hill. he endorsed ted cruz back in november. good to see you, congressman.
hello. >> how are you doing today? >> we hear ted cruz's spin on this, another spin is that your candidate has lost three states in a row and donald trump is closing the gap, even in his home state of texas. is super tuesday and texas do or die for ted cruz? >> well, texas and super tuesday are unquestionably important. but i think earlier in the conversation you hit on a key point. some of these candidates have to drop out. john kasich and ben carson, they lost their campaigns back in october and november, and december. they need to formalize that loss by dropping out so that those voters can go to either marco rubio or ted cruz instead of being more competitive fight with donald trump. now, nevada i think is somewhat of an outlier because that's a gambling -- >> can i interrupt you for a second. is the clock ticking on that? how much time do you have for someone to get out for it to go the way you think it can go if it's down to a two or three-man race? does that have to happen before super tuesday? >> it has to happen quickly. there have large number of
delegates won or lost march 1st and the next two weeks. by the end of march, this campaign is over with one way or the other. the longer and longer that ben carson and john kasich put their personal pride ahead of the interests of our country, you'll continue to see donald trump have success with 27% of the vote or 35% of the vote. i consider nevada an outlier because donald trump he made a fortune taking advantage of people with his gambling casinos. that plays well in nevada, but that doesn't play well in a lot of other states. i think you'll see a much closer fight in other states but donald trump will still come ahead with 25 to 35% of the vote in those other states if you have five candidates running. >> but even if your home state, congressman, trump has three times the support in the polls that i've been looking at, three times the support cruz has. and now, of course, we just said he's getting the endorsements of two of your fellow republicans, now on record saying trump is
the best candidate for the nomination. so how does he combat this momentum that's building behind trump and in fact some people saying he is close to being the presumptive nominee? >> you have to focus on the issu issues. i understand why voters are angry, but we have to channel that anger away from something that will ultimately be destruct toif their goals to something that is constructive. for example, moral values voters, wouldn't you rather have a marco rubio or ted cruz who have a history of personal life and public life of standing for moral values in their personal lives and in their public lives? i think that's important over to the evangelical community. if you want people who are opposed to tax increases, it's very important to look at some of the things that donald trump says he's going to spend money on, which begs the question of where is the money going to come from? are we going to continue to go into debt which will result in the bankruptcy which is an area that donald trump can claim expertise having been through it four times. the other candidates can't claim
that. there are issues out there we need to focus on. with respect to ted cruz and marco rubio, marco rubio really needs to get up the ghost because our republican party nominee will not be in favor of someone who supports amnesty and allows illegal aliens to take jobs away from americans. so it really is going to come down to either ted cruz and donald trump. if it doesn't come down to that, then donald trump will be the republican nominee and we'll have to work our way through that over the next 12 to 8 months. i can promise that a very large number of donald trump voters, 12 to 18 months from now they're going to regret their votes for donald trump. >> congressman mo brooks of alabama. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> there are several things you should know about oklahoma. let's just take three of them. at least in terms of politics. we were saying, boy is it red. a democratic candidate for president hasn't won in oklahoma
in more than 50 years. last time, 1964, linden banes johnson. 72% of republicans in 2012 said they identify as white evangelicals. hillary clinton performed well here in 2008 beating president obama 55 to 31%. so, might surprise you that bernie sanders is giving clinton a real run for her money and pouring significant resources into this state. now for our panel just back with us, we just got word that harry reid governor is going to endorse hillary clinton. will it make a difference? >> would have been nice to do that before nevada, but i'm sure it will. it isn't -- harry reid has been a great leader in the party and in our congress, so i bet that helps. >> not much. i think what matters are the messages that these folks are
putting up. bernie has been very clear in articulating messages that are close to all democrats and hillary believes in all the same things. i think has presented a more responsible kind of breadth of issues, so it's left to be said whether oklahomaens will recognize that. certainly in the primary and maybe in the general. this state has not been doing well under dominant republican administration, huge budget deficits, public education being dismantled. we're a state that won't accept the medicaid expansion dollars, health care is dramatically affected and big layoffs now with energy prices declining. i think oklahomaens are willing to take another look at the democratic nominee eventually and i'm a hillary supporter and i'm hoping that will be secretary clinton because i've never seen a candidate better prepared to take on the task of the presidency whether it's foreign policy or domestic
affairs. she was here -- i toured southeastern oklahoma with her 22 years ago she was on a farm worrying about rural health care needs. she's been here many times since then and will continue to be. >> it's so interesting to see the race this close. on the republican side, so interesting listening to congressman brooks, a very passionate proponent for his candidate, ted cruz. his base is supposed to be evangelical christians. he lost in nevada. three quarters of the electorate in 2012, they propelled rick santorum to a win over mitt romney. what's going to happen this time with the evangelical vote? >> i don't think it's going to go to cruz. it hasn't so far. four states so far he is not suring up the evangelical vote. there's momentum on trump's side. trump will be here on friday. so i think it's going to -- we usually split our vote. we usually have three republican candidates that get kind of a third each. so i think we'll see something
similar there, but the polls are trending towards trump. we all keep saying the polls are usually wrong, but they've been right so far this ewelcome back. >> what does that mean for marco rubio? ted cruz has pretty much been able to ride this, well, i did win one state for quite a while now. marco rubio doesn't have that. at some point he has to win something. >> marco rubio is sitting here as the alternative. look at all the states coming up. i was writing about this on t"te huffington post". marco rubio doesn't have a good win shot until florida. he is hanging around in second place for weeks and weeks and trying to chip away in the proportional delegate states. he needs a win. he says he is the alternative but he needs a win somewhere. he has to chip into that evangelical base. he has to get some of the outrage vote and also got to get these mainstream republicans. his best shot is probably georgia, where he is really strong. atlanta it's an open primary so
everybody can come in and vote. rubio is in a real fix. he has to get a win soon. >> we'll talk to all of you a little bit later. our panel will be staying with us. we want you to weigh in on our microsoft pulse question. do ted cruz and marco rubio need to up their game against trump? still ahead, bernie sanders as we mentioned just hours away from holding a rally here in oklahoma. but is he giving up on the next state that's up for grabs, south carolina? plus, president obama gives his most extensive comments since the death of antonin scalia on the fight whether congress should consider his supreme court nominee. we'll look at where this battle is headed next and how it's playing out in the 2016 race. don't forget, cal perry. >> hey, chris. this is rieder's gas station in tulsa. been in the business for 50 years in her family where we're
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♪ oklahoma, we're back live and this is a battleground state for hillary clinton and bernie sanders. one poll here shows the race between them as tight as two points, which is why he is putting all these resources in that we've been talking about. he does have two rallies scheduled for today. one is the next hour in kansas city, missouri. but later tonight 90 minutes north of me in tulsa, oklahoma he has a rally. look at where his campaign
spending money is going, ads for super tuesday, four are states where he is favored, one is oklahoma. before tuesday, there is south carolina, where barring any surprises, clinton is expected to pick up a win. this morning, sanders was asked flat out if he's giving up on winning that state. >> we have closed the gap very, very significantly, but this from day one was going to be a very difficult state for us. we're not writing off south carolina. you all know that on march 1st, there are a dozen states that are holding elections. and the nature of the world is that we have to go out to other states. i think i'm leaving for oklahoma in a little while where we think we have a shot to win. >> and joining me now from kansas city, missouri, is msnbc kasie hunt. he said it again this morning. he thinks he has a shot here in oklahoma. why does he feel so confident about this state after hillary clinton really beat obama
soundly in 2008? >> reporter: hey, chris. we have a little bit of a split math going here in super tuesday. you're right, that hillary clinton did come out ahead of barak obama, but in some ways what bernie sanders is hoping to do is win those very voters that carried hillary clinton to a win. and frankly, the exit polls show he has been winning those voters. i want to show you the racial breakdown of the oklahoma electorate according to 2008 exit polls. it's 82% white, just 6% african-american and 4% latino. of course we know that senator sanders has struggled quite a bit with minority voters. if you look at the states where they're focussed on for super tuesday, they're all those states where white voters are a larger share of the democratic electorate. it's colorado, although there is a la tee know population there that's significant, it still has a lower african-american population than some others, minnesota and of course his home state of vermont. you also have oklahoma. we're here in kansas city looking forward down the line to kansas and missouri primaries later in march, but for super
tuesday, the strengths of hillary clinton is likely to have are going to be in these southern states, with bigger minority populations. texas, alabama, georgia and then of course we have south carolina coming up right before that. so i think at this point that's the sanders' campaign best hope to stay competitive with hillary clinton going through tuesday, chris. >> thank you, msnbc's kasie hunt will continue to be out on the trail through super tuesday. just one note, bernie sanders is going to be chris matthews' special guest tomorrow on "hardball" as he kicks off his college tour tomorrow night at 8:00 p.m. eastern. you don't want to miss it. i want to bring in our panel, sara baker is the communication director, pam polllard. welcome to both of you. i take it you know each other very well. let's start with the democratic primary, if i can, sara. open primary. first time for both, right? this means a lot of independents can come in. bernie sanders is counting on
them as being -- we have like all these bernie sanders people back there. i don't know if you can see them. but they've been -- a few marco rubio's have come in. so we don't want to say it's just bernie sanders. do these independents necessarily favor bernie sanders? >> we don't know that, yet. there isn't a lot of polling. we haven't done a whole lot of that yet. it's going to be a very interesting election next week to find out kind of where independents sit with the candidates this year. >> on the republican side, you have a very different situation. this is not a two-point race on the republican side. donald trump seems to be steam rolling to a victory. is there anything you see that could change that over the course of the next week? >> well, i think that the message is that the candidates bring on their visits this weekend it's the last four days before the election and we're going to have three out of the four primary candidates here. >> something you're not used to, right? >> we had the same thing in
2012. since we became a portion state in an early super tuesday state, we've been very successful in bringing our republican presidential candidates to oklahoma. >> do you feel as though you're going to get good turnout here? is there a different kind of feeling than you've seen in the past? >> there is a different feeling this year. i think the candidates are very excited about the voters are very excited about the republican candidates this year. we have a lot to choose from. i think when they look at the al pers terntive, they're very excited to choose one of the republican candidates knowing we're going to face bernie sanders or hillary clinton. gets the republicans very excited. >> sarah, back to the democrats. play just a little bit more of what bernie sanders had to say this morning when he was asked about how he can win. >> you're asking me to predict to you how many votes i'm going to get in 12 states, you know what, i don't know, nor do you nor does anybody else. i will tell you the answer to that on wednesday. >> he's acting very low key, but he is bringing in his iowa state
director here. he is doing ads here. he is bringing -- i think by the end of the week he'll have something like 18 people on the ground working for him. so, not insignificant when you look at oklahoma. how is this going to play out over the next week? what's going to make a difference here? >> the bernie sanders' campaign has been really active in oklahoma. they have several offices, lots of staff and bringing everybody in is just going to -- it's really going to get down to who they can get out to vote on tuesday. i know that they have been doing some mail pieces, talking about independent voters. so, it really comes down to how hard their staff works and really just gets out the people that they want to get out. >> i tell you what was interesting on the republican side i was looking at a recent poll and the economy has taken a hit because of gas prices here and we're going to talk more about that coming up, but the economy was not the number one issue for republican voters. it was isis. does that surprise you? >> no, it doesn't. we are very -- we're very
worried about our national security. our national budget has just exploded, which leaves less money for the national defense. i think people are really wanting and seeing the need for a new president. we need a republican president to stand behind a republican legislature, a republican congressman a republican senate and we'll be able to secure our borders and we'll be able to pass a budget that we can all work with and our grandchildren can live with. >> pam, sarah, thanks to both of you. really appreciate you coming on this gorgeous day. it's windy in oklahoma city. up next, we'll head over to tulsa the site of some of the lowest gas prices in the nation, but what that means for oklahoma's economy in a presidential election year is another thing all together. and speaking of driving, which we will be doing across the super tuesday states, a fun fact about oklahoma's geography, the only u.s. county, cimarron touches four states. it will only take five minutes. we'll be right back.
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one of oklahoma's native sons, mickey mantle. he has his own steak house here in the plaza across the street the named for him because chick saw ballpark is there. they love their baseball here and this is a state that also loves its oil industry. its responsible for so many jobs. that's where we sent cal perry who will be doing this seven states in seven days trip with us. he is in tulsa. i think where you are, cal, is one of the actual last full service gas stations in this entire state? >> reporter: yeah, that's right. take a look, you get a very personalized service. it's a bit counterintuitive, low gas prices, great for the consumer, but bad for the state of oklahoma as you mention relies on the energy sector. we had a chance to talk to the owner of the station ross about
how this is starting to affect the election conversation. >> there are a lot of oil industry jobs here from pipe jobs from fitting jobs from supply jobs. they're having to lay off people as well. it's a very big issue in oklahoma. >> the layoffs the business side of it, that's what people are talking about when they come in here? yeah. they're talking about energy. what it does to oklahoma. if you look at the state and see all the different tax things that are happening because the state gets money from the taxes on fuel and oil, you know, it's great for the consumer. $20 goes a long way today. >> so ten years you've been running it, but it's been in the family for? >> over five decades. >> 50 years? >> yeah, it's been a long time. it's been a text koe for the majority of that. then it was a phillips and then it came into rieders the last ten year. >> what do folks need to hear from the candidate? >> they want a sound energy platform. do away with alternative fuels or we need this or we need stockpiles. they want to hear a sound energy platform for the state of
oklahoma. the keystone pipeline, something more there. the price of oil. they want to see stability in the market. that allows them for the future and things like that. the oil companies want to see a stable market where they can drill. >> reporter: now, bernie sanders will be just down the road in a couple of hours and in a maroon state we managed to find a bernie sanders supporter. >> i'm a bernie sanders supporter. i feel like we need to get the money out of politics. i feel like wall street has made a lot of money off of us over the years and i think they should help us out now. >> reporter: so bernie sanders making that push in oklahoma. it will be an interesting day next tuesday to see if he can push through, chris. >> sure will. cal perry, by the way, besides being in tulsa, now we're going to talk to him a little bit later on about where we'll both be tomorrow, the state of texas and he will be coming along for this crazy ride we're doing. now, just this month devin
energy in oklahoma said it would lay off 700 people in oklahoma city, 1,000 overall. another sign of the struggling oklahoma that depends so much on the energy sector. just a short time ago i had an opportunity to sit down with the devon energy cofounder larry nickels who is an adviser to marco rubio on the energy issues. i asked him, why marco rubio? >> i have studied all the candidates over the last several months as we've seen them in all the debates and all the performances. some of them i've known in the past. senator rubio i met on several occasions during the last several years on issues that were coming before the senate. and i have just become increasingly impressed with senator rubio and think he is the answer that this country needs. >> marco rubio hasn't won anything yet. when you listen to donald trump and ted cruz they say this is a guy who hasn't won, doesn't have at least if you look at the polls going forward any prospect of winning any state. you're a smart businessman.
you made a lot of money. are you worried that you might be betting on the wrong guy? >> i'm not betting -- this isn't a horse race. that anger is expressed in senator cruz and trump. it's also expressed in the anger on the other side for bernie sanders and senator sanders. there are a lot of people who are angry about this country. unemployment is way higher than it should be. the number of people who don't have jobs and have given up looking for jobs, there are a lot of wrong things in this country. i don't need anything for me. our industry is not looking for handouts. what we want is a level playing field. >> let me bring you back to where we started which is with marco rubio. i said you were going to be with him on friday. he has a tough road ahead. he has not won a primary yet, as i pointed out, well yesterday he was 20 points behind donald trump. what do you make of the trump phenomenon, beyond the anger and
if he said to you, larry, i'm trying to figure out my path forward. what would you say to him? >> he has risen a lot. he has come from out of the pack. i think he will continue to do that. i think over time people will begin to see that whether you're attracted to bernie sanders or to the other candidates of the republicans, being angry as i said is not enough. >> what do you make of donald trump who you would think fellow billionaire, somebody who has been very successful at business, it might seem to make sense to a lot of people that you would support him. >> i want someone who has a clear policy that i understand and donald trump has not done that. rubio, senator rubio has done that. his energy policy, his policy toward trying to get americans back to work, his thoughtful policies, questions i had with him on different issues in the senate. he's a very talented, very smart and very thoughtful person. >> you think he can still win?
>> we all know -- you know as well as i do, there are a lot of delegates out there. this race is far from over. >> and i'll have much more with larry nickels coming up at 4:00 p.m. eastern time here on msnbc. up next, a new poll just out in oklahoma, we're unveiling it here for the first time. how do republican primary candidates stack up? which issues matters most to this faith-based republican electorate. we'll break down the numbers straight ahead live from oklahoma city. beyond natural grain free pet food is committed to truth on the label. when we say real meat is the first ingredient, it is always number one. we leave out poultry by-product meal, corn, wheat and soy. and, we own where our dry food is made - 100%. can other brands say all that? for grain-free nutrition you can trust, does your food go beyond? learn more at beyondpetfood.com
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i said, good or bad? now, we have the election the next morning. so it's good or bad. they said not good. i said, oh, this is a disaster. and it turned out to be that he -- he talked about the border and he did mention the wall and then i said, first thing i thought of, but i've seen the vatican, that's the most incredible wall. that wall goes up to that ceiling, right? what about this? he took a little heat. he actually was very, very nice to next day. in less than half an hour, senator ted cruz takes the stage in houston, that of course in his home state of texas, he just got an endorsement from governor greg abbott who posted a youtube video today. and at 5:00 p.m. tonight, john kasich will hold a town hall in louisiana, big suburb of new orleans. he trails in his home state of ohio in the polls. last hour he addressed calls for him to drop out. >> no, i'm staying in because i think at the end of the day i'm going to accumulate enough delegates to win.
that's what i think is going to happen. we're going go through tuesday. we're going to come down here and, you know, we're going to perform well enough to continue and i think we're going to have some strong performances next tuesday. and then, you know, at some point we head a little north to places like michigan, illinois, a little state ohio. and then let's talk about marco rubio who will be here in oklahoma on friday. tonight, he'll have a rally in houston where the republicans will debate tomorrow. now, this morning on "the today" show he talked about standing up to donald trump. >> the bottom line fact the vast and overwhelming majority of republicans do not want donald trump to be our nominee. you'll get results like what you saw last night as long as there are four people running. as soon as we can get this race narrowed down, the easier it will be to defeat donald trump and defeat him.
>> good to see you. >> great to be on. >> you're here to unveil a new poll. tell us what we know about oklahoma with this new poll. >> we finished a poll last night, 400 republican voters in oklahoma primary voters. we have donald trump ahead 29% with marco rubio in second at 20 and then cruz at 20%. >> what's the margin of error? does that mean marco rubio is within striking distance? >> it's 4.9%. trump's lead is beyond the margin of error. recent trends we had in oklahoma with new registrants in the republican party and those who had a history of not voting in the primaries leaning toward trump, if anything this might underestimate trump's support. >> what is also interesting to me, though, is that trump does not come out on top when you look at people who go to church more than once a week. that's a big part of the dependable electorate, isn't it? >> it is in oklahoma. we have 65% that attend church on at least a weekly basis. among that group at 36% that's
attending on a weekly basis, trump does have a lead. now it's 28 to 26 for rubio there. it's very close. among the weekly church going group, they're all at between 21 and 23%. >> so much talk about the millennials whether they'll be en energized about donald trump and bernie sanders. >> that's the place where ted cruz is doing the best among the under 45. trump tends to do better those over that age group. from our response rates, we didn't see the energy here in oklahoma among those under 45. >> thank you, pat. fascinating poll. you are being, i guess, decorated by marco rubio supporters. >> thank you for coming and seeing us in oklahoma city. by the way, hillary clinton won oklahoma by a landslide against barak obama back in 2008 where she is now neck in neck here. he will appear later today. which states does she have the best chance of locking down on super tuesday? we'll find out coming up.
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with just three days before the south carolina democratic primary, hillary clinton just picked up a key endorsement from senate minority leader harry reid. she is spending the day campaigning in the state where all signs point to a victory on saturday. about half an hour from now, she'll speak at a sorority luncheon in west columbia and morris college in sumptor. her campaign is looking ahead to super tuesday. virginia one of six states where she lost to then senator barak obama back in 2008. nbc's kristen welker has been following the clinton campaign.
kristen, let's look at clinton's super tuesday strategy. she has ads running in all 11 super tuesday states and outspending bernie sanders? >> reporter: she is, chris. she's outspending him by about a million dollars. if you look at some of the states she's targeting, colorado, oklahoma, these are states where you're looking at a tight race. colorado a caucus state the clinton campaign believes that that's the type of state that benefits senator sanders. we also saw senator sanders with a strong showing in nevada amongst latinos. that could help him in a state like texas, so she's putting a lot of money into that state as well. the clinton campaign making the point they are not taking a single vote for granted, even though right now she does appear to have the momentum. chris, a key part of that strategy is courting african-american voters, that's what helped her to get that victory in nevada. she's hoping that that's what will help her get a big victory here in south carolina and
ultimately carry her through super tuesday. it's the focus of this event. by the way, i was at an event last night with her and five mothers who lost their sons either to gun violence or interactions with police, they have been quite vocal in their endorsement of her. that's a real challenge for senator sanders, trying to catch up among the minority voters. chris, back to you. >> kristen welker, thank you. there's another issue that's really dividing republicans and democrats this political season and it's the fight to replace antonin scalia on the supreme court. let me bring in keith gaddy, janette menendez, david walters. thanks to all of you. you think they're not wild and crazy here in poll tix. there's a bar bet going on has to do with the supreme court nominee. what's going on? >> well, what's going on is there's a lot of bargo that surrounds the replacement of
justice scalia. and really the republicans are in a really bad situation right now. they lose -- if the democrats fill the seat, they're bad off. if they don't fill it, they're bad off. the only thing they can hope for is to win the presidency and replace justice scalia and hold their own. >> just a short time ago, president obama talked about this. let me play what he had to say. >> think it will be very difficult for mr. mcconnell to explain how if the public concludes this person is very well qualified that the senator should stand in the way simply for political reasons. we'll see what happens. >> so janette republicans saying not just that they won't have a vote but they're not going to meet with anyone he nominates. how does that play on the campaign trail? >> on the campaign trail, i think it can get some traction, but i don't know if it's going to get enough. you would want to think that it would hit the vulnerable
republicans that are up for seats but i don't think the numbers are there. so i think if the republicans want to stall, they can stall. i don't think -- i think it might outrage people but not enough to but not enough to really make a huge difference. >> it's interesting that when i was in nevada, ted cruz was really using this heavily to get his crowd fired up, saying, this is what's at stake, you have to have a republican president. but i wonder if the opposite is true on the democratic side, if it won't fire up democratic voters who are unhappy that the republicans won't even put a nominee up for a vote. >> i think there is no question about that. the amazing thing about it is it underscores who is responsible for the stalemate that has existed in washington. the republicans blame obama, and the democrats say it's been the republicans. here's a blatant example where there's a violation of the constitution that cruz and others hold dear, they just violated completely in terms of the president's responsibilities and dealing with this kind of
appointment in the middle of an election year. so i think it's going to be a tremendous detriment to the republican party as it becomes obvious that they are the ones that are stalling and not allowing progress in washington. >> governor walters, thanks so much for being here, jeanette menendez, keith gowdy, thank you so much. more as our super tuesday trail continues. and melania talks about some of the language her husband uses on the campaign trail. >> what about some of the language he uses? he curses. >> do i agree all the time with him? >> you yuh-huh. >> no, i don't. i tell him that.
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back in oklahoma city, oklahoma, i'm chris jansing. this will be my mode of transportation for the next seven days going across seven states in seven days. cal is doing the same thing but he's starting in tulsa. hey, cal. >> hey, chris. i don't know who is eating this, but that's fine. one thing i want to show you, they tell me now they sell more beef jerky -- this is oklahoma beef jerky -- than they do cigarettes. way to go, america. stay healthy. what can i say. but we're going to go to north texas just now. >> we'll see him from the road. i'll be back at 4:00 p.m. eastern time. i'll be talking to former oklahoma governor frank lamm,
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for him, larger than the total republican turnout in 2012. according to entrance polling, he won among conservatives, people who are somewhat conservative and self-identified moderates. he also won among evangelicals. the form of two brand new endorsements from, yes, congressional republicans. until this morning, you may remember, he had zero of those. team trump saying the message is clear, it's time for even insiders to get on this train. and with people in 14 states voting on super tuesday, that is just six days from now. if trump continues to win at this rate, he would build a somewhat insurmountable lead. trump in virginia today. the rest spread out over those sec states. they meet up in houston tonight for a forum. on the democratic side, they have a primary right where i'm coming to you live, south carolina, and that's saturday.
bernie sanders left this morning. he went to events in missouri and oklahoma. before we get to that all that, also some other breaking news at the top of this hour here. when it comes to the debate on the supreme court, could the white house be closing in on candidates? well, the "washington post" reporting and nbc confirming that the administration is vetting nevada republican governor brian sandoval. we'll have more on that big story in just a bit. but first we go to teams we have all across the country covering candidates, gearing up for super tuesday. we start with donald trump who has left las vegas over to virginia today. he was at a forum at regent university. that is a big place for republican candidates. it was first started by pat robertson. trump spoke about a lot of things today, but he definitely hit on the supreme court, which is in the news. what can you tell us? >> reporter: absolutely, in this pivotal swing state, he's turning the very people that
have helped him sweep states so far. they really do care about those supreme court justices. it's very important to have social issues protected by their justices. so we saw him going after ted cruz on his supreme court justices saying he gave us obamacare. this is a senator who helped put down the government over this. let's take a look. >> if you look at justice roberts, he could have killed obamacare twice. the one who pushed harder than anybody was senator cruz. so senator cruz gave us obamacare in the true sense, because any -- ow. in fact, you have right now -- they have editorials where he wrote actually papers on why he should be the one chosen signed by ted cruz. >> reporter: he's working really hard to show that ted cruz's supreme court justices aren't very good, and then reaffirming to these social conservatives
that his would be pro-life. he was asked, how would you choose a chief justice? and he blurted it out immediately. maybe his past support for abortion might show up in a supreme court nomination again. >> we've been talking there to jane timm out on the field. i want to look, though, to super tuesday about six days away. about a dozen states up for grabs. for a preview of all of that and what will be one of the biggest days, some people say will be pivotal. we have political writer with us. what will be the outcome for super tuesday? >> there are actually 11 states that will have primaries or caucuses on super tuesday. it is way too expensive for any of these candidates to put up a ton of advertising. so, really, it's people on the ground and popularity and also earned media. and guess who is the best person
in this race at getting earned media? it's donald trump. so somehow kasich or ted cruz or senator rubio have to find a way to blunt him without having enough money to go after him on the airwaves against a guy who is really good at getting free time on the airwaves. >> you mentioned he's so good at that, and i'm here in south carolina where i spoke to don fowler, a national chair of the democratic party. we talked about trump and he was complimentary about trump's political skills, his intelligence, his ability to use that earned media to actually drive a message with what he connects to working class voters. take a listen. >> people listen to him and say, yeah, he's right, because they're feeling the same kind of frustration that he's expressing. you know, i hear a lot of people say, oh, donald trump is stupid. donald trump is smart as you-know-what.
and he knows what he's doing, and he's very good at it. i don't think this is some random doofus. >> his point from a political perspective, there, and that's columns coming from the opposing party, is that donald trump has been very good at manipulating each step of this process, even as some underestimated him. >> that's true, ari. i think the time to beat him was really in south carolina, surprisingly. look, if he can get up there and say that the iraq war was a terrible idea and diss george bush and south carolina and still take it away, i think something profound is happening in the republican electorate. what you have in trump is a candidate who takes the economic concerns of republican voters seriously and marries it to a kind of cultural populism that some people think is anaphobic and racist, but it's appealing to a lot of people. and he offers those things without tax cuts to the rich and
a defense of money in politics and ties to wall street. i just is kind of the real deal all by itself. it's almost as if mike huckabee was the candidate, but if huckabee had a much better capacity for getting attention and winning primaries. >> the other news we want to get to throughout our hour because we'll have reports on it, but since i have you, nick, i want to ask. the idea that the president may actually turn tie republican governor, a former federal judge, but by many estimations a moderate in nevada government, how do you view that on the campaign trail, and does it matter at all to moderates or independents that this president reportedly is considering putting a republican on the supreme court? >> i think it is a long game, ari. it's not going to make much of a difference in the primary. the game for the republicans in the primary is they're against anyone the president puts up. the long gain for the president is to slowly show no matter who he puts up, the republicans are
going to be unreasonable and obstructionist, and what better way to do that than put up a member of their own party. he's putting it up because the governor is pro-choice. he's trying to show it's all about abortion. it's not about him being elected three years ago, it's all about idealogy. so having a pro-choice governor up there as a nominee who is a republican is a way to kind of isolate that factor and show it to everybody. >> all right. nick hockasori from the times. thanks for being here. in houston, texas you see the preparations there. he's been picking up the biggest endorsements to date. nbc's hallie jackson joins us today by phone. what do you have there, hallie? >> i'm at an event in houston where ted cruz will be joined by the governor. you see a lot of folks, but it's
an interesting endorsement here, because remember, governor abbott and ted cruz have had a long relationship. abbott was basically cruz's boss back in the day. he appointed him to be attorney general of texas back in 2000 to 2003 and that's what gave cruz his propulsion into texas politics. there were eyebrows raised about why governor abbott didn't endorse ted cruz earlier given that relationship, but remember, there were a lot of members in this race who had ties to texas, so maybe they were worried about stepping on toes or sending the wrong message when it comes to loyalty, for example. but governor abbott today expected to come out in full endorsement of cruz. it's a get for him for super tuesday week. i can't stress just how important it is for cruz to be able to win texas, his home state, a place where he's gotten
about three times as many volunteers as other states. but he feels good, he feels good about the ground in his own state. governor abbott's endorsement could potentially help in that regar regard. ari? >> hallie, i also want to ask you about looking last night, ted cruz seemed to try to strike a tougher, even more combative tone with donald trump, mixed with some levity. people noticed his sort of mike meyers-austin powers history there, don't call me a baby, baby. it's a movie reference, and people might get it or not. walk us through that. >> i have to say, ari, your austin powers impression of the movie is spot on. this is going to be a bumpy week.
coming off of south carolina, coming off of nevada, yeah, they were going to get hammered in the media a little bit. they're feeling that, i think, especially given the things that have happened over the last 48 hours within the campaign itself, the shake-ups, et cetera. that said, the campaign is very much looking ahead. an aide said to me, hey, talk to me again on tuesday. ted cruz called it the most important night of his campaign in his rally in nevada yesterday. so it's clear this is the place where they're sort of putting in a lot of the marbles, not quite as much in places like alabama where they feel they can go where the message is. donald trump winning evangelicals, for example. that's the story heading into this week.
>> exactly. there will be many movie references to make because he seems to be drinking ted cruz's milkshake. coming up, we have something a little different for you. the interview with melania trump. a woman who could become first lady and who rarely does interviews. that straight ahead. parking is hard to find. seems like everyone drives. and those who do should switch to geico because you could save hundreds on car insurance. ah, perfect. valet parking. evening, sir. hello! here's the keys. and, uh, go easy on my ride, mate. hm, wouldn't mind some of that beef wellington... to see how much you could save on car insurance, go to geico.com. ah! (car alarm sounds)
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victory there. that is, until today. melania trump sat down with mi.a >> i'm a full-time mom, and i'm having a good time, and i love it. i decided not to be in the campaign so much, but i support my husband 100%. >> reporter: we want to understand who melania is. >> i grew up in slovania and went to school there. then i moved to milan and paris to live there. i had a successful modelling career. i came to new york in 1996. >> reporter: how many languages do you speak? >> i speak a few languages.
>> reporter: a few? >> english, german, french. >> reporter: tell me about your mother. >> she had a lot of elegance and style. she was in fashion for a long time. >> reporter: what does your father do? >> he was a self-employed person and a manager of a company. once slovania separated, he opened his own business. >> reporter: what did you like about donald when you fell in love with him? >> his mind, amazing mind. very smart, very charming, great energy. we have a great relationship. we are our own people. i am my own person, he is his own person. i think that's very important. i don't want to change him and he doesn't want to change me. >> reporter: i have a list of terms used to describe your husband from the left, the right and the center. and they're not pretty. from stupid to demagogue, jerk,
idiot, racist, sexist, race baiting, as a ruvulgarian in ch textbook narcissist. it goes on. what do you make of this when you hear it? >> it's normal it comes up. we are prepared for it. we have thick skin, and we know that people will judge him and people will call him names. and they don't give him enough credit. from june when he announced, they don't give him enough credit. >> reporter: what about people who feel he is -- let's just go down the list because the campaign started, and many felt he had insulted mexicans. >> no, i don't feel he insulted the mexicans. he said illegal immigrants. he didn't talk about everybody. he talked about illegal immigrants. and after a few weeks, like
after two weeks giving him a hard time and bashing him in the media, they turned around and said, you know what, he's right. he's right what he's talking about. and he opened conversation that nobody did. >> reporter: but you're an immigrant. >> yes. >> reporter: do you ever think he's gone too far? >> i follow the law. i follow the law the way it's supposed to be. i never thought to stay here without papers. i had a visa, i traveled every few months back to the country to slovania to honor visa. i applied for a green card. i applied for citizenship after many years of green card. i went by the system. i went by the law. and you should do that. you should not just say, okay, let me just stay here and whatever happens happens. >> reporter: when he talked about a ban on muslims, which
can't happen for so many reasons, do you ever think he's going too far with some of this? do you ever worry about it? >> what he said is it would be temporary, and it's not for all the muslims. it's the ones -- we need to screen who is coming to the country. he wants to protect america. he wants to protect people of america so we have a country and keep the country safe. that's very important to him. and what's going on in the world, it's very dangerous. we have people coming into the country you don't know who they are, you don't know what they will do. and that's why he was talking about it. it's temporary. we need to figure it out how and what people do that we know who is in this country. >> reporter: what about some of the language he uses? he curses. >> do i agree all the time?
>> reporter: uh-huh. >> with him? >> reporter: uh-huh. >> no. and i tell him that. i tell him my opinions, i tell him what i think. sometimes he listens, sometimes he doesn't. >> reporter: in what areas do you follow him? >> i follow the news a to z. i know what's going on. i'm on the phone with my husband a few times a day. i call him, he calls me, i tell him what's going on when he's on the road, and i give him my opinions. >> reporter: let me talk about women. he's taken a lot of debate for women who work for him. >> he treats the women like he treats the men. he tells you in his heart what he thinks. he will not hold it back if you are a woman. you're human. it's a woman or a man, it's no
different. you are human. >> melania trump there making the case for her husband and also explaining how they are two independent people. an interesting interview, to be sure, and a rare one. looking back on the trail, we are three days away from the democratic primaries right here in south carolina. hillary clinton stumping through the state, bernie sanders this afternoon on looking ahead to two super tuesday states. that is live right now in kansas city, missouri. we're going to head there live, coming up. stay with us.
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bernie sanders was in south carolina this morning, but now he's holding that rally over in kansas city, missouri that we showed you, and later tonight he'll be in tulsa, oklahoma, looking ahead to both future states. we have kasie hunt with the hillary clinton campaign. but now we have secretary clinton. >> reporter: hillary clinton taking the stage with -- >> we've been listening there to kristen welker who is traveling with hillary clinton, but some of those feeds go in and out. we do, as i mentioned, have nbcnbck ar nbcka -- kasie hunt who is traveling with bernie sanders.
>> we are here in kansas city with bernie sanders speaking to a pretty significant crowd. where he is going ahead of super tuesday will tell you everything about where this campaign thinks that they can win, and of course, there are a lot of -- it's essentially an uphill battle for him here because the delegate, ma map is just not in favor. he expressed that today. >> i think we've got a real shot to win it. what i would ask of the media is not to look at it state-by-state. you know? we're going to win some states, we're going to lose some states. it's necessary to get 2400 delegates. we're going to have good days, secretary clinton will have good days and bad days. but let's kind of look at the long-term thing. >> reporter: so sanders, of course, is here in kansas city, which will hit missouri and
kansas media markets. but those states don't come until later in the month. he will be speaking in tulsa, oklahoma later today. that's a state with a lot of college kids and that is his demographic. that's one of the wider states on his map. he is traveling to states with white populations. you're going to have states more to the north, oklahoma, colorado, minnesota, his home state of vermont, massachusetts. all places where they think sanders can potentially win, but you have to stack that up against those southern states that have larger minority populations, texas, georgia, alabama. a lot of delegates at stake in those southern super tuesday states. so the question again is just going to be whether or not bernie sanders can wrack up the kind of margins against hillary clinton. he doesn't just need to win some of these states, he needs to win
them big, ari. >> all right. kasie hunt with a preview of that map. kristen, i know what you're dealing with because i lost it here in the tap room earlier today and it was a full wind storm. bear with us, everyone, kristen by phone. what can you tell us about this harry reid endorsement. >> reporter: i'm sorry about that. we have terrible weather that knocked us off the air, but we are back. he endorsed him earlier today. listen to what harry reid had to say earlier today. >> i think the middle class would be better served by hillary. i think my work with her over the years has been something
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exciting. super tuesday is just six days away. for the democrats, 878. the outcome could really define this race. today the fight for south carolina's super delegates is definitely on. if you looked at the voting in the first three states, the pledged delegate count is a virtual tie, 52-51. that's our msnbc news count. as a separate matter, if you were to add in these unpledged or so-called super delegates, which are tallied up later at the convention, clinton's lead is 502 to 70. that's according to a "new york times" estimation, and those super delegates make up 50% of delegates who vote at the convention. so these super delegates can technically vote however they want. that's been controversial. now, how would they vote? i sat down right here with four south carolina super delegates and pressed them on why they should have this extra power. you are here also as super delegates.
you have this extra power under the democratic party rules. >> it's not extra. >> go ahead. >> say hillary clinton or bernie sanders comes in with enough to win, superdelegates shouldn't be able to decide that. >> reporter: but they have that power. >> they do. >> reporter: would you pledge not to override a majority? >> yes. >> reporter: do you think that should be the rule? >> but people are going to pledge hillary clinton. i wouldn't have a problem with that rule. >> reporter: would you have a problem with that rule? >> i don't know what rule you're talking about. >> reporter: you described a broker scenario. under the rules, though, technically superdelegates could override a majority of the delegates. >> i don't see how 50% could override the majority.
i'm no math whiz, i wouldn't have gone to law school if i were good at math, but it's only 50%. >> 55-45? >> i would not override the wishes of the voters in south carolina. >> four politicos in a room, that was fun. how does each campaign plan to wrack up enough votes to win the delegation? director of state campaigns and engagement for the hillary clinton campaign, and i should mention, a former colleague on the 2004 kerry campaign. nice to see you again. you see those superdelegates there, several of them clinton supporters. they said, it's not going to come down to that. they're going to win with the delegates voting. >> we're excited about this grassroots support we have for leaders around the country, but as you know, we took the lead after the nevada caucus. we feel very good going into
south carolina this saturday. >> hillary clinton has been on something that's been called a tragedy tour or a civil rights conversation, but she has been with mothers who, in this case several back mothers, of people who were either killed in police violence or allegedly so, because sandra bland, there's a lot of questions about that case. what is your message to voters? >> last november the secretary got a chance to sit down with some of these mothers and really hear about their stories. if you're going to talk about moving the country forward, you need to hear people's stories who had tragedy in their lives. police brutality, and violence -- it was a powerful meeting last night. the mothers chose to support the secretary because they believe she'll be the best to break down the barriers we still see in this country. you had the mothers on stage last night, and it was a very, very powerful moment. >> on the one hand, you have
bernie sanders saying she hasn't always been strong on these issues. with welfare reform, this is his claim. >> in 1996, there was a so-called welfare reform bill. i spoke out against so-called welfare reform because i thought it was scapegoating, people who were helpless, people who were very, very vulnerable. our secretary clinton at that time had a very different position on welfare reform, strongly supported it and worked hard to round up votes for its pa passage. >> does hillary clinton still have to walk through some of these bill clinton policies and where she departs? >> when bill clinton was president, the unemployment rate was cut in half and the median income for american families was increased by 30%. a lot of good things happened
under clinton for the african-american community when he was president of the united states. and since then, there's been some shortcomings. they talked for a long time about what she would actually door for the shortcomings. 25 years ago when she came out of law school, she came right here to south carolina to work in african-american communities. that's one of the reasons i think we're ahead right now. >> you are ahead and it looks like you'll stay ahead. bernie sanders holding a press conference in kansas city today. according to the center, though, momentum on his side. >> we came to south carolina, and if you look at the polls, we were like 7, 8, 9% in the polls. we were 50, 60, 70 points behind. we have waged a very, very
vigorous campaign. we have picked up a lot of support, and we have closed the gap very, very significantly. but this from day one was going to be a very difficult thing. >> national secretary for bernie sanders, simone sanders. i should say no relation. >> no relation. >> let's start with that argument. you look at the ads and you look at where is the numbers? where is the investment? it's in colorado, it's in massachusetts, minnesota and texas. >> it's also in south carolina. we put a new ad up yesterday. we have four or five ads on television right now. we have made substantial investments here in south carolina. >> and the radio? >> the radio. spike lee had about three other ads. we were the first to go on television in south carolina, ari.
senator sanders was here this morning. you saw clips from his press conference. he'll be back here on friday. the first place he went when he left nevada is right here in south carolina. we're invested in the state and we're invested in closing these gaps. we're also looking forward to march 1 and beyond because it's a long contest. >> it's not that south carolina is some special state, right? it goes to the larger question that democrats are raising people in this party nomination that you want to win that there may be, on the part of the candidate, less of an interest in the states that are more diverse where he struggles or is thought to struggle. is that a fair criticism? is that out of bounds? >> i think that's out of bounds and i just don't think that's true. senator sanders has spoken out una ba unaba unabashedly to support people in this country. >> is his argument that even if
hillary clinton catches up to him on these issues, he was there first? >> i think judgment matters. i think where you've stood in times of adversity matters. i think senator sanders has said this, he doesn't make decisions for political expediency. he is grounded in standing up for hard-working americans in this country. he was on the right side of the issue when it came to welfare reform. he was on the right side of the issue on things like trade. other things that have affected the black and white community, places like south carolina, places like nevada. we competed in nevada, we substantially closed the gap. we came within six points, i think it was. and we made substantial gains with south carolina voters. south carolina is not the end, i think it's just the beginning. >> and that's what we're
watching saturday and many of these other states. simone sanders for tbernie sanders campaign. thanks for joining us. mitch mcconnell is saying he won't even meet with an obama justice nominee. the president firing back with new comments. we'll play those for you. should the gop consider a scotus nominee? we'll see what you all have to say about it, coming up. the world a president has to grapple with.
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giving brian sandoval one of the possibilities. i'm joined now by the founder of scotus and a principal if his own right, tom goldstein. as of this morning, the news was that the president wrote a special post on your website about what he was looking for in a candidate. by this afternoon the news is what i just mentioned, his new remarks and a name floating out there. first off the top, your thoughts on how quickly this debate unfolded. >> i would say the white house is trying to frame the debate around the republicans' decision not to consider any nominee at all. they could have gone one of two ways, declare a thermal nuclear war, or what they seem to have done, saying, we still take this seriously. we're going to find the best candidate. we're going to put him out there for the country and we expect
republicans to treat them seriously. so they are trying to convey this really strong sense of gravity of nomination and how they are not giving up. >> and they're in this fascinating dance with hillary clinton who would be expected, of course, to support the current democratic president. if she wins, which is her entire life project right now, would then get to make her own decision about this pick. here's what she's saying today as this all unfolds. quote, some republicans have even suggested president obama has no right to nominate anyone, as if somehow he's not a real president. tom, what she's referring to, the not a real president part, goes to an issue in this debate with donald trump and other people whether there is some sort of desire to delegitimize or depresidentialize barack obama. >> i can't really speak to the politics of it, but i will say immediately upon justice scalia's sad passing, a lot of republicans like ted cruz and
tom grassley who is on the judiciary of senate republicans, said we have a long history of not bringing up a nominee in an election year. that's just not true. there is no history of that. in fact, we have history of president reagan and democrats in the senate confirming him where presidents do, they only have four years a term, and the eve -- they have every right to nominate someone in the last year. >> what kind of judge do we expect the nevada governor to be? >> brian sandoval, who i've met, is a very experienced guy. i have to say i think it's pretty unlikely that he would be nominated. i think the white house is trying to illustrate seriousness about coming forward with a consensus candidate by suggesting he is under serious consideration. but i think for a democratic president to put a republican governor on when there are a lot
of democratically appointed judges who are highly qualified would be very surprising. >> right. and that's a fair point, and of course, as i mentioned at the top, there are sources saying this vetting is occurring. to be clear, it's not as if the white house today came out and sent this. what the white house has said is, interestingly, on your website what kind of candidate the president might be looking for. tom goldstein, litigator, thank you for your time today. >> thank you so much, ari. in our micro pulse question, should the gop reconsider meeting with president obama's scotus nominee? you can see it there. keep voting on msnbc.com. if you haven't voted, 93 to 7 i'm seeing. 93 to 7. that means the people who voted so far pro meetings. there are a lot of meetings in washington. why not have that one? coming up, the roadshow.
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we are criss-crossing the country toward super tuesday. the next stop is texas. cal, tell us about this truck you're driving. >> we basically duct-taped the camera to the dash, we've got the lights. carlo did a great job. moving from tulsa, oklahoma. we're going to waco, texas next. one in five jobs is being affected by the energy crisis, really the only place in the country where $1.30 for a gallon of gas is a bad thing. you're seeing mass layoffs. one of the big energy companies here announced they are laying off thousands of people. it's hit them hard. that's the message they want to send to the rest of the country. low gas prices is not always a good thing, it's having a serious effect on the economy. even philanthropy. i talked to someone and asked what's the difference between philanthropic work?
they said here it's one and the same. they want a candidate with a sound energy plan, ari. >> all right. thank you, cal. the super tuesday road trip is also taking chris jansing to oklahoma city. that's where she'll host live today. it is definitely a packed schedule. dallas tomorrow, birmingham and all wrapping up in richmond, virginia on super tuesday itself. in all, 78 delegates are at stake for the democrats, 805 for the gop. we pick up live next from the vegas strip. glasses made for doing. right now, buy one pair and get another free. quality eyewear for doers. sears optical.
i'm thomas roberts live in las vegas, nevada. it's high noon and the gop showdown here is reinforcing donald trump as the frontrunner. with just six days until super tuesday, the question being now, can any gop candidate left standing stop donald trump? after a wild victory party last night, the more mellow but just as confident candidate spoke to students at regent university. this is back across the country, a christian college in virginia. take a look. >> so we had a very exciting evening last night. during the day i was walking and saw all these people and they're all saying, donald, we love you, donald, we love you, but you never know what's going to happen. as soon as we turned on the television and the results started coming in, it was obvious from the beginning. >> so that caucus is his biggest win so far, taking 36% of the vote. more people voting for trump last night than the total vote for all candidates in the caucus in 2012 here. ted cruz finished more than 20
points behind. so the focus now turns to those crucial super tuesday states. candidates have fanned out across the region, holding events in four states with upcoming contests. tomorrow they go head to head once again on the debate stage in houston, texas. but it remains to be seen whether anyone will take the gloves off and go after the frontrunner, donald trump. here's marco rubio from the "today" show. >> i'm not in this race to attack anybody. >> are you going after ted cruz? please don't interrupt, sir. are you going after ted cruz? >> so the democrats are looking forward to their south carolina primary. that's coming up this saturday. harry reid, who just endorsed hillary clinton, is spending the day in south carolina hoarding voters. her husband is holding a rally in virginia. we have a live shot of alexandria where we expect the
former president to take the stage in a few minutes. and bernie sanders has already taken off for the super tuesday. let's head to jane timm. she is live at virginia beach. explain the crowd there and the notable people who turned out for donald trump. >> reporter: yes, donald trump's first stop today was down here south of the state. he's at regent university, an evangelical university founded by pat robertson. he's appealing to these evangelical voters that have helped deliver him these decisive wins in south carolina and nevada. it's crucial that this is the part of the state that he needs to win. he needs to get as much of a strong margin to come out of here with as many delegates as possible, and keep his rivals,
marco rubio, probably a little farther north, from getting more delegates. donald trump showed up tod we showed up to see him speak in this state. >> what did the two men talk about? what was the exchange between these two men? >> pat robertson walked him through a very comfortable forum. donald trump had spoken before, but he asked him a lot about these social issues evangelicals cared about. he said, what are you going to ask for of your supreme court nominees? and donald trump came out strong saying pro-life was a number one qualification. that's a direct rebuttal of ted cruz saying his past support for abortion does not bode well for supreme court nominations. and that's true for delegates here, that many need to come out for him and perhaps not ted cruz. >> jane timm reporting for us in virginia beach, virginia.
jane, thanks so much. i want to go to our colleague, katy tur, loive in houston for us. a lot of pressure for candidates to perform, this being ted cruz's home state. set the stage for us, katy. >> reporter: it's a really important debate on tuesday, and being in texas couldn't make it more important. ted cruz needs to win this state on tuesday. it is his home state, and for him to lose this potentially to donald trump would just be a knife to the heart for him. both marco rubio and john kasich have a little bit of time before their states come up to play -- what month are we in -- march 15, thomas, but this debate is really important for, at the very least right now, ted cruz. if he has any chance of stopping donald trump, it's going to be in this debate. so far, though, nobody has been successful at that no matter how poorly donald trump may perform at a debate. the one we saw in south carolina
certainly were not a good debate for him. his numbers have gone down. he won big in nevada. he has won concurrently in this race. there are rumors the establishment may coalesce around marco rubio or even john kasich. but it does seem to a lot of analysts out there that it's too little too late, trump has a lot of momentum. he also has 100% name recognition, which is really important when you're talking about these voting days when a number of states vote. we have 11 states voting on super tuesday, and that's next week. it's a hard thing for these campaigns to go and really campaign in each of these states. donald trump, though, even if you've never watched a television show, haven't listened to the radio, if you walk in that voting booth ask y -- and you see his name, you know who he is. and that's very important. he rallies, tom, as you very
well know, to crowds 10, sometimes 20,000 strong. this debate is important. it's a last chance for someone like ted cruz, certainly, to stop donald trump in his tracks. >> i want to play this for everybody. we have marco rubio who came in second in nevada is still declining to really go after donald trump. i just to want play a brief portion of that interview of the senator from the "today" show. take a look. >> i don't have any voters begging me to attack anyone. i'm not in this race to attack any republican. i didn't run for office to tear up other republicans. >> they seem to have a good track record when they do go after me. so far he's been very nice, we haven't been in that mode yet. perhaps it will happen, and if it didn't happen, that would be a wonderful thing. >> katy, you know the trump campaign very well since you've been following it from the very beginning. last week on one of the sunday shows, it was about the citizenship and eligibility of marco rubio. do you think this type of truce
is really going to hold, or this is going to be an all-out brutal battle in houston as trump tries to lock this up before super tuesday? >> reporter: i don't think trump needs to go after marco rubio at this point, past or present. other than the last debate, donald trump really hasn't gone on the attack with his opponents unless he's attacked first. marco rubio has been very hesitant to go up against donald trump. he's been playing a defensive game where he's trying to duck, essentially, and not provoke the giant in the room, which is donald trump. because everybody that's gone up against him has ultimately failed. i don't think you're going to see him go up against marco rubio, at least in this debate. as of now, he's not necessarily a threat. the debate in miami before florida votes, i think you'll see a lot more of that there, but donald trump is leading in florida. so at the moment it's just not necessary for him to punch down, essentially. thomas? >> if history is our guide, it will happen at some point.
katy tur. ga great to see you. chris jansing has started her road trip in oklahoma. she is going to hit seven states over a week. the biggest day of the campaign so far as we shall see how the race really shapes up. with four contest days down, how does tuesday represent a better picture nationally for these campaigns? >> reporter: it's sheer numbers. if you looked at that map, you saw. you've got 11 states on each side, and in addition to that, you have a couple of really interesting contests with the clock ticking on both sides to assert themselves if it's not going to be hillary clinton and donald trump, who are the front runners right now. if you look at this state, for example, heavily bred. nevertheless, bernie sanders is mounting a very strong campaign. he's brought a lot of resources in here. it's one of only five states where he's actually running tv ads. he brought his director from
iowa in. he's within two points of hillary clinton in one poll. so this is critical for him to be able to show that he can win, he can make a showing outside of a liberal state. on the republican side, who is going to challenge donald trump? that's what you've been talking about. and you really only have, if you look at the polls on super tuesday, ted cruz who, in his home state of texas and in arkansas, has a real chance to top him and to say, here i am. i have not only won one state now, i have won two or potentially three. as this goes on, it's going to be harder and harder on both sides to make the argument as the number of states and number of delegates pile up that they can mount a serious challenge. 595 delegates, thomas, available on super tuesday on the republican side. that's about a quarter of all the delegates, so you see how important it is. >> we think about how critical texas is with 155 delegates. it is a rich state, and we'll see if ted cruz can hold his lead there. chris jansing, it's great to see you, chris, and i know you have
a lot of work ahead of you with you and your team you're working with. chris will be on this afternoon at 4:00 so i encourage you to stick around for that. the one and only chris jansing with her super tuesday road trip today at 4:00 and then 1:00 eastern as she gives us everything we need to know as we drive forward into super tuesday. we talk about money and what it means on the campaign trail. we have the one candidate out there who is getting the most for less, and that is donald trump. joining us is political director for president george w. bush. matt, it's good to have you with me, and we know donald trump was endorsed by two congressmen, duncan hunter and chris collins. >> i've said all along this is not the year to rack up endorsements from elected
officials, but donald trump is kind of an exception to the rule. as you've seen, as governors and elected officials start to endorse him, it just starts to sink in that he might become the nominee and they want to be with the winner. >> as we look at the past, though, donald trump compared to those who have had the nomination before him at this point, more votes than romney did in 2012 and mccain in '08. so primary history is the guide here. is he the likely nominee or is there a candidate left standing that's positioned to beat him? >> look, it's not a settled issue, thomas. i think he's got a 50% chance to win in most of these states and on get this nomination without too much of a hiccup. but there is still a lot of time left on the clock. marco rubio is showing to be a very impressive and formidable challenger, and he is connecting. if you looked at the entrance polls coming out of nevada, wth
one thing that is clear is he seems to win with voters who want the most electable candidate. that's the message from rubio right now. >> when we think about the fact that they've had to go through south carolina and ohio, and iowa, for that matter, does marco rubio have the strength to keep moving forward, the confidence from the party and american voters to really pull it off? >> well, here's the one thing i would say, is that what was true with santorum and romney as they were going through this process is santorum won 11 states. santorum was beating romney in states, and what we're not seeing besides iowa where ted cruz was the victor, if these candidates want to be in this nominating contest for the long haul, they've got to start winning. rubio has to win in florida, cruz has to win in texas, kasich
thooz w has to win in ohio. those are home states. that's just the basics. and they'll have to get w's on top of it. if you don't get wins, you're really not showing you can get the nomination at all. >> thank you, matt. we talk to ted cruz's campaign about his third place finish out of the west last night. then, the woman so many are curious about, melania trump. she is a constant figure by her husband's side. mika questions melania. what does she have to say about trump's promise to build a wall in mexico? bernie sanders appears to have written off south carolina
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because he supported chief justice john roberts who upheld that law. take a listen. >> if you look at justice roberts, he could have killed obamacare twice. he was a bush appointee and the one that pushed him harder than anybody was cruz, senator cruz. so senator cruz gave us obamacare in a true sense because -- it's true. >> so cruz is now hoping for a good performance on super tuesday. and today he did rack up one big endorsement ahead of the texas primary. we have texas governor greg abbott coming out in support of him, and just moments ago, ted cruz spoke positively about his chances in his home state of texas. >> super tuesday, i believe, will be the single most important day of this entire presidential election. [ cheers and applause ] >> i believe we are poised to have a very good night on super
tuesday. [ cheers and applause ] >> texas being delegate rich with 155 for the republicans. joining me from houston is california chair of the cruz campaign and the state's former gop chair. ron, good to have you with me, and as we talk about what's been happening, the exchange back and forth between donald trump and senator cruz, trump is calling cruz a liar just about any chance he gets. we have the "washington post" saying those attacks are taking a toll inside the campaign. how would you say the senator is preparing to balttle that narrative in tomorrow night's debate? >> well, this is a critically important week for the campaign, so we have the debate tomorrow, then we have super tuesday coming shortly thereafter. and we know what donald trump will do. donald trump, whenever he gets nervous, says weirder and weirder things going forward just like the accusation that he repeated earlier when, in fact, people know -- people in the republican party know that when it comes to picking a supreme court justice, there is nobody
better qualified than ted cruz to do that. but we don't expect donald trump to adhere to the truth or even rational accusations going forward. so i think tomorrow night is another opportunity for the candidates to demonstrate what they have in order to bring to the office of the presidency. but where the campaign has to go is this ultimately has to come down to a two-person race. donald trump has a ceiling. he can't seem to get very much above 35% in national polls, and that might even be generous. in a five-person race, 35% makes you a winner. but in a two-person race, 35% makes you a winner by about 30 points. ultimately this is where it has to come. the question for our party is do we want that to be marco rubio, who will try to come at donald trump from the left -- that's not going to work -- or do we want ted cruz who tried -- managed to defeat him in iowa?
>> ted cruz likes to remind everyone that he beat donald trump in iowa in the last three concession speeches we've seen. the poll shows whites and evangelicals went for trump here and in nevada, and cruz lost in south carolina. that seems to be his base. committee ta can he take the nomination if he doesn't win the evangelical vote? >> there are some modern evangelicals, moderate evangelicals, and people like donald trump and marco rubio are going to do better. it's the conservative base of this party which are critical to the success of senator cruz. so his voting record and his record of accomplishment backs in texas as well as washington speaks well to that. but again, ultimately this has to come down to a two-person
race between ted cruz and donald trump. if it's a two-person race between rubio and donald trump, it's going to be donald trump, that's clear. >> he has not committed to any superpac so far. we know he did make a donation to his wife to senator cruz's campaign, about $272,000, and last night he was very concerned about people knowing who he caucused for. have you reached out to him, and is he in talks to potentially support your candidate? >> i don't have any information about that at all. i'm sorry. >> okay. ron neary. really appreciate your time and we look forward to seeing the debate tomorrow night in houston. coming up next, an msnbc exclusive. trump off the trail. he's taken heat for his tone toward women. how does his wife, melania trump, respond to critics?
welcome back. we are live in las vegas and melania trump is speaking out for vet first time in an interview about her husband, what it's been like to be on the campaign trail. it's been a wild ride for the trump family, ever since donald trump announced he would run for president. she sat down with mika and they talked about everything. now about how trump is treating women. >> many felt he insulted the mexicans. >> no, i don't believe he insulted the mexicans. he said illegal immigrants. he didn't talk about everybody, he talked about illegal immigrants. and after a few weeks, like after two weeks giving him a hard time and bashing him in the media, they turned around. they said, you know what, he's
right. he's right what he's talking about. and he opened conversation that nobody did. >> reporter: but you're an immigrant. >> yes. >> reporter: do you ever think he's gone too far? >> i followed the law. i followed the law the way it's supposed to be. i never thought to stay here without papers. >> reporter: when he talked about a ban on muslims, which can't happen for so many reasons, do you ever think he's going too far with some of this? do you ever worry about it? >> what he said is it would be temporary, and it's not for all the muslims. what's going on in the world, it's very dangerous. we have people coming in the country you don't know who they are. you don't know what they will do. and that's why he was talking about it. >> in the trump organization, how are women treated compared to men? >> they are treated equal. i've seen him, he treats women the same as men.
he will tell you what is in his heart, what he thinks. he will not hold it back if you're a woman. you are human. >> reporter: what was it that you saw in donald when you met him or fell in love with him? >> his mind. amazing mind. and very smart, very charming, great energy. we have a great relationship. we are our own people. i'm my own person, he is his own person, and i think that's very important. i don't want to change him, he doesn't want to change me. >> so there mika with melania trump, and you can watch more of "morning joe" and their analysis of the primary race so far. "morning joe" weekdays at 6:00 a.m. weekend on msnbc. the clinton campaign responding to a new line of attack from bernie sanders involving politics and poverty. a top clinton aide will be here to talk about that coming up. also the race for number
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carolina polls, though, hillary clinton has a big lead. she's not giving up much ground heading into saturday's primary, though, and it raises questions about whether senator sanders has given up challenging the secretary in that state. kasie hunt has been on the trail with the sanders campaign. we hear senator sanders talking about this issue but he responded directly with andrea mitchell with the situation in south carolina. we noticed out of nevada, it seemed as if the sanders camp moved their eyes down the line to super tuesday and over south carolina. is that the calculation you get from witnessing this campaign firsthand? >> reporter: well, thomas, that's why i'm standing here in kansas city and not in south carolina. it may seem simplistic sometimes, but if you look at where they're spending their most precious resource, their candidates' time, it tells you everything you need to know about where this campaign
stands. and right now the sanders campaign, their eyes are past south carolina. they do still have seizuurrogat there, they'll be back there one more time this week. they don't want her to run up her score too far, but the reality is they don't have points for that. kansas votes later, but they head to oklahoma, a deep red state. sanders holding a rally later today in tulsa. they think they can win in oklahoma because the terrain there, what's left of the democratic party is pretty liberal, that would favor bernie sanders, and it isn't as many white electorate. the reality for sanders is he's still really struggling with non-white voters, and they make up such a critical part of the democratic party primary
electorate. so if you stand back and look at a map, and we're going to see this as sanders hopscotches all across the country in the next couple days. the states he's looking at are massachusetts, his home state of vermont, colorado and oklahoma we just talked about. the states in the south, texas, georgia, alabama. they have sky high delegate counts. a lot of those minority voters, the terrain there a lot harder for bernie sanders, thomas. >> they have to really set the pace for the delegate count, that's for sure. msnbc's kasie hunt. thanks for joining us. we're turning to the hillary clinton campaign, and joining me is the director, christina shockey. christina, it's great having you with me, and we know what happened in nevada, the polls showing her way ahead in south carolina and we know what happened in nevada. what does it mean that majority
senate leader harry reid came out to endorse her. what does that mean? >> i know it means the world to hillary clinton that he endorsed her. he knows her very well, knows her track record and the way she works. very meaningful. >> as we talk about the work that both secretary clinton has done and senator sanders has done, we know he went after her position back in the '90s on a welfare reform bill tying in to poverty. >> in 1996, there was a so-called welfare reform bill. what welfare reform did, in my view, was to go after some of the weakest and most vulnerable people in this country.
i spoke out against so-called welfare reform. secretary clinton at that time had a very different position on welfare reform. strongly supported it and worked hard to round up votes for its passa passage. >> bernie sanders going back some 20 years about the issue of welfare reform. explain where hillary clinton stands on that issue today. >> i think it's important, thom thomas, actually to look at the full record of appointment administration and the economic gains they made for all americans. under clinton's leadership, 22 million jobs were created, and every group of americans' incomes rose, especially african-americans. we saw the unemployment rate cut in half and child poverty rates going down 20%.
so it gave americans good jobs and able to support their families. it did good things like providing job training for child care services. hillary clinton has things she is committed to work on. i think it's important when we're talking about this is what these candidates are proposing today. and hillary clinton has really attacked the bold proposal of the african-americans in this country. that includes a $25 billion plan to help homeowners make a down payment, to create jobs for african-american youth. so i think it's really important when we talk about this not to talk about something 20 years ago, but really to talk about which of these candidates has a plan to make a real difference in people's lives today. >> we know that there is a new fundraising e-mail that came out from the hillary clinton campaign that continues to call senator sanders this single issue candidate. as we ramp up into super
tuesday, the clinton campaign has new ads going on in 11 super tuesday states. bernie sanders is advertising in just five of these states. does the clinton campaign feel confident with what's at stake on super tuesday? >> you know, we feel really good going into super tuesday. we feel really good about south carolina. it's a state that's meant a lot to hillary for many years. she started her career, actually, working for the children's defense fund, went to south carolina to work on issues of juveniles who are held in adult prisons. so south carolina is a state she knows really well. she's also working really hard for super tuesday when 11 more states vote. we feel really good at where we are, but hillary clinton is going to work her heart out to win every vote and that's what she's doing. >> christina shockey with the clinton campaign. thank you very much. >> absolutely. straight ahead as we continue our broadcast live in las vegas, i'm going to sit down
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i see money and i grab, grab, grab. >> i talked to phil ruffin at his hotel and casino, and he tells me why big money donors are bad for american politics. what is it like to be in business with donald trump? >> he's a genius. he's brilliant, best business partner you could ever have. if you have a chance to get in business with him, do it, because he's super smart. >> so you have been on the campaign trail with him as he's been bouncing around here in nevada. what's it like being behind the scenes to see your good friend and business partner out on the campaign trail and the success he's having? >> donald is very enthusiastic and it's unbelievable watching him operate. the donald i know is very bright. he's just been a great friend over the years. i've known him for a long time. he was the best man at my wedding. i encouraged him not to run. >> you encouraged him not to run? why would you tell him not to?
>> i said, you're making 200 million a year, you're king of the world, why would you want this aggravation? >> what did he say? >> he said, it's broken and i can fix it. >> when it comes to the issue of funding, we know that a businessman in this area committed a lot of money in the primaries to newt gingrich. what are you hearing about why he's sitting this one out so far? are you hearing anything? >> i don't know sheldon nelson very well, but i'm not sure he's sdw decided yet. you would have to ask him. i don't know. >> from your perspective, do you think it's good to keep big money out of politics? >> yes, i do. >> why? >> i think they should change the law. they shouldn't be able to put in $100 million. i think it's wrong. >> so do you think he could win the gop? >> i think he can. >> what else would you like to
share nobody may know about him? >> he was the best man at my wedding, and he said, i need to get you a present. mira lago, his estate in florida, it's wonderful, by the way. that's where we had our wedding. he said, i don't know what to get you. he said, i know what i'm going to do. i'm going to pay for everything. so donald paid for my wedding. i'm going to get lionel richie for 300,000. will you pay for that? he said, no, that's your dime. >> it's a pleasure having you here and thank you very much. >> there just part of the interview with phil ruffin who is a casino mogul here in las vegas. he owns treasure island, and that's where they held the trump rally after he claimed the victory in the caucus. republican strategist john