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change. it's a different party. >> all right. thank you both for joining me. >> thank you. >> that's "all in" for this evening. tomorrow night we head to south carolina, and we'll be back at our normal time 8:00 p.m. eastern. a special hardball college tour with bernie sanders starts right now. coming up, a full hour with u.s. senator bernie sanders. let's play "hardball." we're live from chicago institute of colleges. good evening. i'm chris matthews. welcome to the hardball college tour. our special guest, united states senator bernie sanders.
[ cheers and applause ] >> i have to ask you the meaning of those lyrics to you. >> just turns out yesterday we were in oklahoma. woodie guthrie means a lot to me. he was one of the great song writers in modern american history. there's a museum in oklahoma for him. we use his song, this land is your land at many of our rallies. i think what he did is capture the spirit of working americans, of poor people in an extraordinary way he brought together people like ledbetter, pete sieger and others to create
a whole moment for folk music in this country. an extraordinary man. >> i know you did an album. >> oh, god, please. you're using woodie guthrie's name and my name in an album. >> the american presidency has four hats. the first is chief executive, responsibility of the entire federal government and its efficiency and honest. second, head of state. head of government through your legislative program. the one i want to talk about first is commander in chief. >> you forgot one important thing. >> go for it. >> represent the american people. represent working people and poor people and elderly. people who are being shafted today who need in the wealthiest country in the history of the world to right to have a decent standard of living and the right know their government is not controlled by billionaires in a
corrupt campaign finance system. one of the reasons i'm running for president, everything you said is true is to transform american society to take on a corrupt campaign finance system, rigged economy. when i look at what my agenda is, it's everything you said but it's more than that. >> let me ask you about the role of commander in chief. can you see yourself, your speeches are resounding and you have a powerful message. when it comes to the job it brings certainly responsibility. can you see yourself in that position now? >> absolutely. i've very proud of my achievements. the most important decision that
congress made in many years is the war in iraq. it's not just that i voted against the war, which is the right vote. it's not that i led the opposition against the war. check out what i said on the floor of the house. pretty good judgment. when you talk about my views now and how we destroy isis through a coalition, through muslim troops on the ground. i think my position is right. >> how do you establish that you're not a american to be messed with? remember kennedy got in trouble. once you look weak then they come at you. how do you deal with that? >> i don't know that i accept your basic assumptions here. i've taken on every special interest in this country.
i'm fairly tough guy. i take on everybody. i'm prepared to take on putin and everybody else. >> how do you let them know that? >> you let them know that because you have the strongest military in the world. we have a great military and prepared to use that when necessary. let me also say, i think the kind of regime change the united states has brought forth has been counter productive. that was a terrible mistake. he wanted to nationalize oil there. you know we ended up with a lot
of anti-american sentiment. what foreign policy is about is not just power. it is judgment. i think we got to be a little bit careful about regime change. hillary clinton sees as a mentor of hers, henry kissinger. i do not see him as a mentor of mine. i think he was one of the worst secretaries of state in the history of this country. >> let's talk about trujillo. >> that's right. >> now we have something regime change. instead of unofficial or official assassination policy, we have a regime change policy. you know i'm looking at libya, what did you think of that. we ended up killing the leaders any way. >> what happened? what happened the day after? saddam hussein, a brutal murdering thug, a kadafi equal, bad guy. they got rid of them.
he was killed. what happened right now? isis has a foothold in libya which can be a testing ground, an operational strength, stronghold for them in terrorists attacks. here's the point. all of us agree you have a lot of bad, bad people running countries around the world. it's not good enough to say assad is a terrible guy. he is. what happens the day after assad is gone? what is the best way to transition to democracy? on this area i would say hillary clinton and i have a difference. it's not just the war in iraq that she supported. i'm a little more cautious in terms of regime change. >> you're sitting in the white house and reading the op-ed and they start the drum beat for another regime change. page after page, day after day, they start pounding the door. they said we got to get rid of assad. what do you do? >> you stand up to them. you're absolutely right. the war drums for the war in
iraq, i remember like it was yesterday. initially the american people were very nervous about that war. you remember that? >> i remember it all. >> the media kept pounding you have to be tough and they have weapons of mass destruction. the trick is not just to understand we have a lot of bad people around the world. the trick is to understand what happened the day after you get rid of those people. this is a lesson i've learned not just from iraq but i knew a long, long time ago. >> let's talk about an alternative world if you were president after 9/11. 9/11 happened, i know if you're secretary of state and they said al qaeda is about to attack, you probably would have done something. >> sure. >> let's talk about afterwards. the president had the country united. he stood at ground zero. he had the firefighter right next to him. he went to afghanistan. would you have done that? >> first of all, what you want and what i believe also very importantly, if what the lesson of iraq is, very simply, united
states of america cannot and should not be doing it alone. you need coalition. you need people on the ground. this is tough stuff. >> or else nobody joins your posse. korea they joined us. >> we are not the policeman of world. we have people sleeping out on the street a few blocks away from here. you have 29 people who have no health insurance. we are spending more money than the next nine countries of this world on the military. we have got to be strong. we have got to protect our allies around the world. we have to protect ourselves from the dangers of terrorisms. my foreign policy would be a little different than secretary clintons. >> if we don't have allies, we don't go? >> you're asking me a
hypothetical. >> it's not hypothetical. nobody is joining us in fighting isis. >> they better start. that's not quite true. it's not quite true. you have king abdulla of jordan that's making it very clear the way you destroy isis is with muslim troops on the ground. we have got to provide air supports and other types of supports. >> are they there? >> we have to build that -- we are making a little bit of progress. nobody here ploobelieves the ir army has been an effective fighting force. finally with american help they were able to retake ramadi. >> why did we tear apart the iraqi army? >> don't ask me. ask the bush administration. what we said to the people,
you're terrible, awful people. you're not going to lose your jobs, you're going to lose your money. you're not going to be able the take care of your family. aren't we shocked. what a shock that was. >> this is a tough one. i don't have the answer that's why i'm giving you the question. gitmo. we can argue about the numbers. there are men down there that we think they are scared of. we know they will get us as soon as we let them go. what do we do with them? >> i think the president is right. you shut down gitmo. >> what do you do with the people? dangerous people you can't convict. >> when they said they deserve a trial. you have to release them because they're on u.s. territory. isn't that why they are on gitmo because it's not u.s. territory? >> gitmo sends a signal to much of the entire muslim world, the
united states talks a good game about democracy, but take a look at gitmo. they're running a prison camp. >> what do you do with them? >> i don't have all the answers but i believe we shut it down. >> if we let them go -- >> i'm not going to let them go and start waging terrorist attacks against the united states. let me get to one point. all those issues are important. let me get to an issue that's more important, if i might. that issue is we're going to change nothing in the united states unless we address a corrupt campaign finance system. i'll tell you something very interesting. you know what i find, it's not just progressives. it's conservative who is are saying what's going on when you have billionaires spending unlimited sums of money buying elections. what this campaign is about is trying to bring about a political revolution. i acknowledge at every speech that i give is no president, not bernie sanders or anybody else
can do it alone. wall street and corporate america and the big campaign donors and the corporate media are so powerful, so powerful that we're not going to change america unless millions of people stand up and fight back. that's the most important. >> let's talk about that when we come back. give it respect by the republican senate. without doing that you can't change the court or get rid of citizens united. we'll be right back. we're live. hardball college tour.
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system. how do you get the republicans to get a hearing. the president doesn't seem to be able to move these people. >> what we have and i'm in the senate and have been throughout obama's tenure, we have a level of obstructionism which i believe is unprecedented in the history of the united states. what happened, as you know, literal ri ly on the day he was sworn in, they got together and said how do we make sure he's as ineffective as possible? how do we stall? i'm there. i've seen them. we can't get an assistant sanitation worker approved without going through all sorts of processes. this is just a continuation of that. you asked me the question of what do we do about it? ly be very clear to see that the president does make a nomination and that the united states senate holds the hearings to either approve or disapprove.
that's what the constitution mandates. there's no debate about that, is there? >> no. article 2 says name a nominee. it's his job. >> it's as clear as the nose on our faces and yet these people are so obstructionist they don't want to give the president the right to fulfill his constitutional duty. i'll do everything i can to make it happen. you asked what do we do about it. this is what the campaign is about. i know it's outside of mainstream thinking. you ready for this one, chris? >> yes. i think i can take it. >> take it. i don't want anyone collapsing on me. it's to revitalize american democracy on issue after issue. it's motte just republican obstructionism on this issue. you have a congress that does the bidding of the billion their class. you know. you're there all the time. half the members of congress are spending their life raising money. it's getting worse and worse. this is what you got to do. what you need to do is rally the american people. give you an example. raising the minimum wage.
overwhelming support for raising the minimum wage. congress does not want to do it. pay equity for women workers. congress doesn't want to do it. >> obama can't do it, but you can. how? >> what you need and what i say is you need a political revolution. you need these young people to understand and orking people and low income people, if they are not involved actively in the political process, it will be the billionaire class who makes decisions for them and not necessarily in their interest. >> you get elected. say you get elected and take off next january 20th. you walk up to the senate and you meet with the leadership and say i have a program here. government funded tuition, there's things i want on social security to increase benefits and things i want done on health care so it can become like medicare for life. you have very strong positions. mitch mcconnell says forget about it. >> i say take a look out the window. there's a million young people out there who don't want to be in debt for half their life for
the crime of going to college. if you want to antagonize those million people and lose your job, if you don't want to lose your job, you better start listening to what we have to say. that's the point. that's how change takes place. >> how do you squeeze a guy like him? >> it's not him. i know mitch. these are smart -- >> you need 60 senators. you need 60. >> absolutely, positively, 100%, if we rally young people in this country to say, you know what, germany, scandinavia, other countries have free tuition. i have talked to kids 30, 40, 50,000 in debt paying a huge percentage of their income. young people stand up and say we are sick and tired of it. we don't want to go in debt for our whole lives because we got a college education. we'll win that fight
immediately. the trick is not to appeal to mitch mcconnell. it's to say take a look at your e-mails. >> what evidence do you have this has worked for you? have you increased the turn out? have you been able to get 60 votes for anything? what evidence do you have you can do it? >> that's what the civil rights movement was about. that's what the women's movement, gay movement. >> it's necessary but is it sufficient? is it sufficient to get it done? they're running their own states with their own constituencies that saber kny bernie sanders i liberal. how do you know you can do it? >> i don't know anything. we do the best we can do.
we try. if i said i think in 2015, gay marriage will be legal. you would have told me i was crazy, honestly? that's what you would have told me. you thinking about it? >> i can't see the future. you're right it moved very quickly. >> it moved quickly because people in the gay community and their straight allies said they have a right. do you see any republicans -- >> how does this relate? >> let me answer your question. >> i don't see the connection. >> i see all the connection. you're asking me how to make change. you don't make change by sitting down with mitch mcconnell. you demand change. that's the way change has always been. [ cheers and applause ] i use gay right which is is a
good example. contemporary example for these young people. when i voted against doma in 1996, that was a very difficult vote. what about the civil rights movement? what about the women's movement? it always happened when millions of people demand change. we have massive levels of income and wealth inequality. when the top 1/10th percent have more wealth than the bottom. >> it seems the reason we got gay marriage is they couldn't find anybody, there was nobody on the other side. they didn't have a case. there was no damage done by gay marriage. that's what happened. there were no losers. >> whoa, whoa. >> they couldn't make a case against it. >> hold it. i don't agree with it. you have all of these
fundamentalists. >> they didn't lose. they disagree but they didn't lose. >> i think they lost. >> let me ask you about money. if we get tuition money, it has to come from someone. those will be the people that lose. there will be tremendous forces against everything you've advocated. it's not like saying, nobody is staying up all night worrying about gay marriage. this thing they are losing money. >> what you're saying is you have a powerful billionaire class who wants it all and will resist any change. >> anyone with substantial wealth or 401(k). >> you're going into a different direction. you're talking about the koch brothers.
>> and everyone in the stock market. >> who are very, very wealthy? >> anyone in the stock market. >> no, no. let me just say this if i might. in the last 30 years, you know what's happened? there's been a massive redistribution of wealth. >> i agree completely. >> it's gone from the middle class and working families to the top 1/10th of 1%. i didn't hear the establishment moans about how crazy it was when trillions of dollars left the pockets of middle class. when i'm talking about giving the middle class a break. >> i agree with it. how do you get it done with all these powers against you. the finance committee. we have to get that tax passed. you have to bededicated to tuition bills. >> let me be very clear. i believe in the year 2016, a
college degree today is about the equivalent of a high school degree 50, 60 years. >> i agree with that. >> what i believe that when we talk about public education, it shouldn't be first grade through 12th. it should be through college. i believe that public colleges and universities, not the university of chicago, sorry guys, public colleges and universities should be tuition free, so that every kid in this country -- i grew up in family that didn't have a lot of money. my parents never went to college. i want every kid who has the ability to do so, to go to college. i also want to deal with an issue you guys are worried about is student debt, is that true? we got millions of people really being crushed with student debt. my idea is to merge the two. you're asking me how to pay for it. >> i haven't asked you that. how do you get through the
senate? >> we'll pay for it through tax on wall street. >> who will pass that tax? the senate's going to pass that. >> you and i look at the world differently. you look at it inside the beltway. i'm not an inside the beltway guy. i'm an outside the beltway guy. >> the people inside will vote on it. >> they will vote the right way when millions of people demand they vote the right way on this issue. i have no doubt that as president of the united states i can rally young people and their parents to say that if germany does it, countries around the world do it, we bailed out wall street. it's wall street's time to help the middle class. >> the next senate leader is probably chuck schumer of new york. they are moral proposals. tell me the votes. is he going to vote with you? >> call him up. i don't know. >> you gave us one vote.
>> i have to say this respectfully. you're a nice guy. you're missing the point. all right. you're missing the point. if you look at politics today as a zero sum total, if you're looking at 63% of the american people not voting, 80% of the young people not voting. billionaires buying elections, you're right. i'm not looking at that world. >> how is that going to change the day you're in office? you won't have a supreme court on your side. you need 60 votes. >> we're going around in circles. >> we're starting at the point of saying can you do. >> have you ever got 60 votes for anything in the senate? >> yeah, actually we have. >> what? >> my comprehensive veterans bill. now i'm hopefully the president
of the united states. getting working people to stand up and fight for their rights. i think when we talk about issues like creating millions o. >> suppose you propose all this legislation and nothing happens. you just sit in office for four yea years? >> i suspect not. >> a million people will not stand outside your window for four years. they may come once. >> you're assuming and this is the difference between our views. you're assuming the american people will not be engaged in the political process. >> i'm watching the turn out figure this is year and they're not going up.
>> wait a minute. first of all, let's jump into that. barack obama in 2008, ran in my view, one of the great campaigns in the history of the united states of america. you and nobody else heard me say we're going to run a better cam p pain than he did. it was brilliant. when i started i was at 3% in the polls. in the last ten days there's been four national polls that i've seen, three of them had me in the lead, one, two points down. we have come a long, long way. in terms of voter turn out, no. it was not what obama did in 2008. in that election to talk about little politics, you had john edwards and other candidates bringing in vote. the voter turn out in iowa was strong. in new hampshire, very strong. in nevada not strong, which is why we lost. our job is to make sure these young people come out, working class people come out to vote. >> is everybody here going to
welcome back. look at that picture. that's chamberlain house where senator bernie sanders lived when he was a student here. i want to get a first question in. go ahead. >> thank you very much for all you're doing. earlier in the campaign you notably decided not to focus on hillary's e-mails. now, as the campaign has increased this intensity, do you believe it's time to bring up the millions of dollars that the clinton campaign received from foreign government when she was secretary of state? >> look, what i have tried to do as somebody who has never run a negative campaign, a negative ad in my entire life, is to try to focus on the issues i think are impacting the american people.
you raise an important issue. i understand that. i have talked about the fact that hillary clinton has received many millions of dollars from wall street for her campaign and her super pacs. she's received very large speakers fees. i think those are important issues. i agree with new york times editorial. i don't know if anyone saw the tape where they urged secretary clinton to release the transcripts of the speeches she gave behind closed doors. right now my focus is to contrast my views on how we can improve life for the middle class and working families. thanks very much for that question. >> hi, senator sanders. welcome back. your opponent's new line is she's the one who can break down barriers that all people face. however, the reality is that many of the barriers in place
especially for low income individuals and people of color were created by the policies put in place during the clinton administration. given this reality, do you feel this claim of breaking down barriers is a little ironic and how are you in a better position to do so? >> thank you very much. very good question. i think you make a good point. as i mentioned the other day we had a press conference on this. in 1996, the clinton administration, then first lady clinton was very active in so called welfare reform. you familiar with what that was? it picked up on the republican agenda. it said one of the basic problems in america is that poor people and, by the way, african-americans were ripping off the welfare system. everybody believes in welfare reform if it means helping people get the education, child care and jobs they need to improve their lives. that's not what that bill did.
it end up increasing significantly, extreme poverty in america. it caused a lot of suffering for some of the most poorest and vulnerable in this country. i think your point is exactly correct. i think that's an issue we will be talking about a whole lot. thank you. >> senator sanders. thank you for being here. my name is patrick quinn. my question is the recent firing of chicago police superintendent highlights the fact that even intended reformers can fail in the face of institutional power. as president, how would you reform our criminal justice system? >> great question. it's an issue very high on my agenda. we have a broken criminal justice system. everybody in this country and everybody in this country should be ashamed that we have more people in jail than any other country on earth. 2.2 million people, more than china. largely african-american and latino. let me tell you some of the things that i would do.
first of all, what we do is try to prevent people from getting into the criminal justice. what does that mean? today if you're an african-american kid between 17 and 20 and you graduated high school, you didn't go to college, do you know what your unemployment and underemployment rate is? it's 51%. 51%. my view is we will invest in jobs and education for those kids rather than jails and incarceration. second of all, we have to create, and the federal government can play an important role dealing with local municipalities creating a model program for police departments. for example, lethal force should be the last resort not the first resort. second of all, if a individual is killed by a police officer or dies in police custody, that should automatically trigger a department of justice investigation. thirdly, we want to make police
departments look like the communities they serve in terms of their diversity. [ applause ] fourthly, we want to demilitarize police departments. fif fifthly, we want to take a hard look at the war on drugs. they have records because of possession of marijuana. i find it interesting in criminal justice that people on wall street who's illegal behavior destroyed our economy don't get a police record. some kid in chicago gets picked up with marijuana, he or she gets a police record. that's not right. [ applause ] >> hi, senator sanders. i was hoping you could elaborate more on the apple debate and what your plans are to tackle
the issue of government surveillance? >> it's a huge issue and very important. you're looking at a guy who voted against the patriot act. that was hard vote. sometimes it becomes easier. this is after 9/11, it wasn't just an easy vote. my concern then and my concern now is that the nsa and the government, they're keeping records on all of your phone calls, on many of your phone calls. they have the ability to use it and go into the websites you visit and check out your e-mails. you know what, it's not just the government. it's corporate america as well who knows a whole lot about your purchasing habits, maybe your banking records, maybe your medical records as well. the bottom line -- >> explain how they use that. >> i don't know. well, if i know the products that you buy, then i know how to advertise and get to you. the bottom line is there's been a revolution in technology in
the last 20 years. public policy has in no way kept pace with the transformation of our society. to answer your question, this is a tough issue. on one hand, do we want to keep tabs on isis recruiting efforts? you're right we do. do we want to open the door so the federal government knows much too much about you. how do you achieve that balance is not easy. that's what we have to answer. >> where are you on snowden? >> you know, i think snowden broke the law. that's true. i think he deserves his day in court to make his case. on the other hand there would not be a whole lot of discussion that we're hearing today if snowden did not come forward and tell us what the nsa was doing. >> you wouldn't throw the book at him? >> no. >> we'll talk about what senator was like when he was the age of you guys here.
♪ okay that's the brass band. they're all students at the university of chicago. we're back with the hardball college tour. let me get some of these things about you. >> about me. we got to talk about you. >> we don't want to fight anymore. i've done my fighting. let me ask you about the '60s. my kids love to talk about the
'60s. what did it feel like when you were here? >> to be honest with you, i don't say that just because i'm on tv. i was not much into drugs. my hair was a little bit longer. >> we got pictures. we'll show one up. >> coming here in '61 or 2. what was mind blowing for me was beginning to get involved with a whole lot of people who are very different from the people i grew up with this brooklyn. i became involved in the civil rights movement. i think one of the first jobs that i ever had here in chicago was with the packing house workers of america. >> mostly african-americans. >> that's right. that's all gone now. i learned about the trade union movement and the civil rights movement. i learned about foreign policy and the peace movement.
>> what was it like to get involved? >> here's what it was, the hard work and dangerous work was being done in the south. that's where people were getting killed. >> chaney and goodman. >> that's right. this is what we did here. we said we're going to provide -- i didn't have any money. we're going to provide some financial support for our friends in the south. we got to look at what's going on here in chicago as well. i want to say this to the young people here at the university of chicago. back in the early 1960s, the university of chicago owns a lot of property. owns a lot of apartments. in those days many of those apartments were segregated. what we did, chris, we would send a black couple, husband and wife, to an apartment. do you have any apartments available? the guy would say we don't. an hour later we would send the white couple and say we have all kinds of apartments available. then we got focused on -- it was
that the university of chicago end the segregated housing. the schools were pretty segregated. i got involved in that. that's where i got arrested. >> let's take a look where you stoo stood up against a guy who showed bigotry. >> is there any shocking doubt the same people that would vote to cut defense 177 billion, the same ones that would put homos in the military and not fund -- >> mr. chairman. >> no i will not. sit down you socialist. >> my ears may have been playing a trick on me but i thought i heard the gentleman say something quote, unquote about homos in the military. was i right in hearing that? >> absolutely. putting homosexuals in the military. >> was the gentlemen referring to the many thousands and thousands of gay people who have put their lives on the line in
countless wars defending this countr country? is that the group of people the gentlemen was referring to? >> i was talking about the people in the military do not support -- >> that's not what you were talking about. you used the word homos. you have insulted thousands of men and women. >> i'm talk about you and liberals like you. >> wow. what year was that? >> who knows. >> '85, '95. >> that was duke cunningham. >> he's busy now, isn't he? >> i don't know if he's still in jail. he was in jail for bribery. >> have you sent any cards or anything? >> i have not. here's an example of somebody on the floor of the house making grossly homophobic statements and i dealt with him. >> you joined a group called the
young people socialist. a lot of people grew up, i'm not that younger than you. socialism was a hard thing to grab onto it. how did you feel comfortable enough -- how many are comfortable calmi icalling them socialist? the hand was enough. it's some. it's not a huge number. >> more over there, i think. >> maybe if it was back then it would be harder to get your hand up. >> what it was to me was trying to connect the dots. to try to understand what money and power was about. the impact it had on society. why it was that we had so much. it's worse today than we had income and wealth inequality. >> it's worse now, right? >> it is worse now. >> when i talk about democratic socialism, what i talk about today is looking at countries around the world who have had
governments who have brought health care to all of their people. who have managed to make sure that when elderly people retire they can live in dignity. who have much higher voter turn outs than we do, a more vibrant democracy. >> we're paying national debt through the roof. so much if it doesn't go to helping people today. it goes neither paying off debt or paying for a military in a world war ii cold budget. sweden doesn't have that problem. >> we're not sweden. >> we don't have the burden we have. >> they don't have the resources we have. they don't have the collective wealth that we have as well. bottom line is we need a strong military. do i think it's bloated? absolutely. do you know how many
administrators we have in the military. it's not the men and women in uniform, we have one and a half people to administer in uniform. we have huge cost overruns. you have a lot of fraud that goes on there. the u.s. department of defense cannot sustain independent order. one of few agencies of government. also you have to address the level of income and wealth inequality and the transfer of trillions of dollars from the trillion class. >> okay. we'll go back to the big picture when we come back. more questions from the audience when we come back. man 1: [ gasps ]
man 1: he just got fired. man 2: why? man 1: network breach. man 2: since when do they fire ceos for computer problems? man 1: they got in through a vendor. man 1: do you know how many vendors have access to our systems? man 2: no. man 1: hundreds, if you don't count the freelancers. man 2: should i be worried? man 1: you are the ceo. it's not just security. it's defense. bae systems.
we're back with senator bernie sanders on the hardball college tour. i have one question. black lives matter. what's your reaction to the whole movement? it's real movement. >> it's real movement, and these people are raising an enormously important issue that i think the white community is not familiar with. african-americans worry about when they let their kids out on the streets. they worry when they get in their car. african-americans are four times more likely to be arrested for marijuana than whites despite the fact that both groups smoke it about the same.
their sentences are longer when they are put in jail. i think the black lives matter have raised this issue. that tells me, and what i believe very strongly, is we need major, majjor criminal justice and criminal reform. >> what do you think of a police officer shooting a guy as he's running away or a big heavy set guy being choked to death camera? >> that's eric garner. it's indefensible. it's horrible. the people are sick and tired of this. the bottom line is we need radical reforms in our police departments and i was mayor. i worked with cops all the time. most of them are working hard, doing a good job. when a police officer breaks the law like any other public official, that officer must be held accountable. >> let's get a question in.
>> thank you. we have talked a bit about your background here at the university of chicago. one thing you haven't discussed as much on the campaign trial is the fact you're jewish. i would like to know what is your relationship as your faith in. >> we have about a minute. >> obviously being jewish is important to me. i'm very proud of my heritage. what comes to my mind so strongly is a kid growing up in brooklyn and seeing people with numbers on their wrists. you probably have not seen that. those were the people who came out of concentration camps. knowing that good part of my father's family was killed by the nazis. that lesson i learned as a very young person is politics is serious business. when you have a lunatic like hitler gaining power, 50 million people died in world war ii.
i'm proud to be jewish and proud of my heritage. >> thank you. senator bernie sanders. thank you all at the university of chicago for having us here. join me at 11:00 for a live post game analysis of the republican debate. right now it's time for the rachel maddow show. that was great. that was the hardball college tour town hall complete with a brass band onset. chris matthews with democratic presidential candidate bernie sanders, live from the university of chicago's institute of politics. this is a live shot right now with that event having just wrapped up. i'm rachel maddow back in new york. we do not have a brass band. that was a remarkable event. there's a lot going on in news and politics tonight. on the political side, bryan