tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC February 26, 2016 5:00pm-6:01pm PST
it's in his slogan. the only any of us can remember. to make america great again. that's hardball for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts now. tonight on "all in". >> he want add full length mirror. make to make sure his pants weren't went. >> then. >> you remember that catastro e catastrophe. he's like, we will -- i need water. >> the republican party is officially a dumpster fire. >> my party is going bat [ bleep ] crazy. >> the fight between rubio and trump getting ugly. >> first he took out like this little make up compact like right here. he had a sweat mustache. >> you had to see him backstage. he was putting on make up with a trowel. >> the guy who said this about trump. >> he had no business being president of the united states.
>> has now jumped the motley crew of trump backers. >> rapper killer mike speaks to me about what you learned from selling bernie sanders to voters. >> when you say i want to talk about racial justice, that's not the same as saying i want to do something about racial justice. good evening from columbia, south carolina on this election eve. i'm chris hayes. a republican primary race that has alternated between spectacle and abomination has ignited into a dumpster fire. they hope to become the most powerful person in the world. it began at last night's gop debate where marco rubio and ted cruz did their best donald trump impersonation. all three released insults and attack fit more for a barroom.
>> i funded you. i funded this guy. i gave him a check. >> you gave me $5,000. >> you never funded me. >> let's be clear. >> donald claims -- >> i didn't want to. he sent me his book. >> i understand rules are very hard for you. >> i have his book. thank you for the book. >> donald. >> go ahead. i'm having a lot of fun up here tonight. thank you for the book. >> donald, relax. >> go ahead. i'm relaxed. you're the basket case. don't get nervous. >> that was just one small taste of last night's utter and complete insanity. at up with point the close captioning just read, quote, unintelllible, which summed it up pretty well.
here is rubio on trump. >> last night in the debate he went backstage. he was having a meltdown. first he had this little make up thing applying like make up around his mustache because he had a sweat mustache. then he asked for a full length mirror. i don't know why because the podium goes up to here. he wanted a full length mirror. maybe to make sure his pants weren't wet. i don't know. >> okay. that was part of a long broad side rubio made that included rubio calling trump a con man and reading aloud a series of trump tweets which included a must remember of misspellings. >> the first one, lightweight marco rubio was working hard last night. that's true. the problem is he's chalker and once a chalker, always a choker i guess that's what me meant to say. he spelled choker, choker.
this was him about himself. great honer. i think he meant to say honor. i don't know how he got that wrong because the e and o are nowhere near each other on the keyboard. just like trump tower, he must have hired a foreign worker to do his own tweets. >> he mocked him for his infamous water bottle moment. >> it's rubio. here's a guy, he's a nervous basket case. here's a guy, you had to see him backstage. he was putting on make up with a trowel. i will not say that he was
trying to cover up his ears. i will not say that. he was just trying to cover up -- he was just trying to cover up the sweat. >> these people are just a reminder running to be president of the united states. trump has thus far gotten endorsements from group that includes sarah palin, david duke, dennis rodman, vaping congressman duncan hunter and paul la page who accused drug dealers with d. money, smoothie and shifty of impregnating white women. a one time darling of the donor gla class, new jersey governor. he travelled to ft. worth, texas to give his blessing to killing muslim terrorists with bullets smeared in pig's blood. >> you need a strong, tough
leader to restore america's greatness. this is the best person to do that. >> trump took the opportunity to take more shots at rubio hailing christie for his debate assault on the florida senator. >> i watched chris do a number on him. i've almost never seen him melt down like that in my life. it's interesting about people who choke. i've watched people choke over the years. once a choker, always a choker. it never ever changes. that was one of the epic meltdowns. he didn't know where he was. i thought he was going to die. good going, chris. >> joining me now msnbc political analyst joan walsh. ben, let me start with you.
i honestly, i mean, i feel divided because this is spectacle. it's entertaining. it's not the political coalition to which i feel personal affinity. it doesn't share my values, but it's also just mortifying. what is happening? sdp >> i think you're seeing change from existing and kind of a left right political paradigm to one that is being made into something different. maybe an up down. it's a dramatic change. it's a shift in language. you see the difference in the way that marco rubio was talking last night in that kind of way. that kind of trump imitating way which is designed to connect with certain people who want to see that from their political candidates as opposed to speaking in the measured tones that we're used to from republican politicians who are trying to become president. there's a certain attitude toward being presidential that is now going away and i think
the other thing we're seeing chris is really a moment where i think republicans are waking up to the fact that they should have been doing this a lot earlier. they should have been trying to get under donald trump's skin earlier. jeb bush did it on his way out the door. i think they are realizing ignoring trump was a bad idea. >> that's true. later in the show we'll talk a bit about what i think was discovered last night about his weaknesses. in terms of what ben was saying, the most overused metaphor for this campaign is reality show, reality tv. it's true. i read an article about borderline personality disorder. reality producers try the find people who are flamboyant anti-social in these certain ways. when you put them around other people is they drag everyone down to their level. i feel like i'm watching this disgraceful race to the bottom. >> we watched it happen.
>> everyone is now trump. >> everyone is trump. maybe it's a great blow for feminism that we now have men mocking one another about their makeup. can we enjoy that? rubio, he's having fun. i've got to say i've never seen him enjoy himself out there so much. he's found way to get under his skin. he's found way to look like he's somebody that is a force, which has hasn't so far. i don't know. earlier today, i was saying i don't think this changes anything. watching it go on, maybe it will. >> here's what changes thing. i want to get to the christie endorsement in a second. what changes thing s a recognition of you have to con front him. the way to confront him is not to say he's not conservative enough because no one cares. i'm watching people in your circle, the folks that run
conservative websites saying we must stand together to defeat this menace. what does that mean? >> i think what it really mean s a recognition that donald trump has the potential to take over the republican party and change it into something that's very different than what it's been in the past. i don't mean in terms of policy. i mean in terms of policy and tone. he's someone who ambition is the only thing bigger than his a constitute. in this case social security a situation where he saw the one guy he thinks he can maybe get a cabinet post if he wins in donald trump. i think he kind of went out the door doing a number of favors in beating up marco rubio the way he did. this is a dramatic point for conservatives. they are waking up to the fact that donald trump has an ability to speak to people who they thought were theirs.
they have woken up to the fact they weren't part of their team and having the kind of message that trump is delivering reach them on a very direct and very personal level so they sign up. they are willing to go out there and work for him and vote for him. this is not a joke. >> i think that's exactly right. david roberts, who is a writer at fox had a line about the voter. your voters weren't locked in the room with you, republican establishment. you were locked in the room with them. to ben's point about christie, i felt a little, if i can indulge for moment, like gloating a little bit. this guy is who he said he was from a character perspective. the knock on christie was talented politician. a smart and very capable human being with a personality given
toward authoritarianism and bullying and ethical corner cutting. >> remember he was going to be the centrist savior. >> he almost won hispanics in new jersey. >> he was going to save the party from a figure like trump. he was going to save the party. that doesn't happen. watching this today, it's like the worst buddy move you've never wanted to see. these two kinds find each other. they love each other. they were playing let's spend the night together when i turned the tv in the hotel today. i was like oh, my goodness. it's like the worst buddy movie. they degrade women. they mock the disable. they pick on teachers. it's frightening to watch. >> here's chris christie talking about donald trump during the primary. take a listen. >> i think he's generally a good person, but you know what, he had no business being president
of the united states. if i thought he did, i wouldn't be running. i'd be helping him. >> so, there you have it. ben, this idea of the sort of voters that republicans thought they had that they didn't have, i've seen all this tussling about what is trump and jim carney said he's a liberal and people saying he's winning moderates. chris christie is an example of this. to me, what the issue here is you get rid of all the c conservative orthodox about supply side economics, you just throw all that out the window, limited government and embrace what's been bubbling the whole time and that's what you get. you get donald trump. >> it's bubbled up before. you know, there's also just this
element of language getting back to that for a second. i think you hear the difference of there's the concept of covert prestige and overt. the idea when you hear someone speaking in your language, you trust them more. i think this is a moment where donald trump recognized the republican establishment was much weaker. the party leaders were much weaker than they thought they were. he came along and spoke in a language that speaks directly to a portion of the republican base with what they want to hear. i don't think he has a very significant ideology. i think he's a pragmatic populist and will tell people what they want to hear in that moment. everything will reset. it will be watch how many people feel betrayed or conned with the game he played with the republican party at this point. >> that's one of many fascinating stories. before we get there, i felt like
something was discovered by rubio and cruz. you'll see it's too late, possibly but you'll see some sort and this question of what these next two weeks look like. >> one thing they did discover aside from the mocking, mocking works. also they have discovered his business practices. he's got no ethics when it comes to business and can they turn this story line, talk to his white working class base and say he's hired illegal immigrants. he doesn't look out for you. he's taking your kids money at trump university and being accused of fraud. i think they found something that may not work in the republican primary but it will be something democrats turn to in november. >> that's a perfect tease for our next segment because we're talking about that. thank you. coming up, a refresher on trump university. the defunct institution that triggered lawsuits by people that said they were defrauded. the anti-talking points that
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there are people that borrow $36,000 to go to trump university. they are suing him now. >> marco made reference earlier to the litigation against trump university. it's fraud case. think about if this man is the nominee having the republican nominee on the stand in court being cross examined about whether he committed fraud. you don't think the mainstream media will go crazy on that? >> we saw them especially up a new line of attack targeting his involvement in trump university, a for profit, non-licensed
defunction institution citing fraud. it's something we covered on this show two and a half years ago. now it's front and center in this presidential campaign. it's going to stick around for a while. recent court filings for one of the suits showed that lawyers from both sides named trump on their witness list making it all but certain the republican front-runner will take the stand in federal court in the coming months. trump has denied all wrong doing and while no trial date has been set, the judge overseeing the case indicated his interest of moving the case forward. the allegations are getting the political ad treatment. the new york times reports the american future fund is preparing what a spokesman said is a multi-million dollar ad campaign highlighting people who say they were ripped off
by mr. trump's enterprise. here is part of those ads. >> i spent about $30,000 and all it did was ruin my credit and my life. trump university that promised
everything from start to finish, expertise, knowledge, input. they didn't deliver on anything. there's 5,000 victims in this. trump is fraud, a misrepresentation, a bs artist. america, don't make the same mistake i made with donald trump. >> trump university is one of the many lines
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finally gave up on trying to convince them trump is not a real conservative. rubio, focused on something far more elemental. trump's character and record as a businessman. in the process added a few chapters to the democrat's play book against trump. >> he said five things. everyone is dumb, win, win, win. he's winning in the polls. the only thing is to get rid of the lines around the state. your ties and clothes you make is made in mexico and china. you're going to start a trade war against your own ties and suits. >> i don't know anything about bankrupting four companies either. if he hasn't inherited $200 million. he would be selling watches in manhattan. if he builds the wall the way he build trump towers using illegal immigrant labor to do it.
>> it's also entirely possible even probable this is a taste of what's to come. one democratic opposition research firm said they spent the past eight months compiling material on trump as he's risen on the ranks. he estimates all he's compiled, approximately 80% of it has yet to surface in this election cycle. joining me now is joy reid. let's start first on this point which is them finally, last night, giving up the ghost on he's not conservative. he attacked for ever was that ted cruz in iowa saying i'm have pro-choice. it went nowhere. last night it was a whole new thing. >> they finally figured out that the base that donald trump is speaking to are not that conservative, at least not the way conservatives have defined themselves. it took them eight months to
figure that out. those two facts are the most important two facts. they didn't even understand the base of their own party, white working class voters who don't care about tax cuts for the rich and aren't interested in the things the elite part of their party want and number two they spent eight months avoiding finding opposition research to use against the guy who was becoming the front-runner in the party they don't want. >> we covered trump university on this show two and a half years ago and invited a classic donald trump angry tweeted us back when he was a clownish side show. >> these are not unknowns. people understand who he is. there was a lawsuit for housing discrimination, racial discrimination that's been in new york time. >> it was in the context of a racial discriminatory lawsuit. >> the central park five who were found to be innocent, calling for them to be executed
in new york. there's so much there to mind. how are they not going this research. why does the media have to do it and the dying campaigns of rubio and cruz had to do it. >> that's one of the things that's interesting. as they work through the five stages of grief of vetting donald trump, is blaming the media. we ran what he did to little old ladies in scotland when hefrs t -- he was trying to build the golf course. >> the reality is trump is just better at this game than they are. blaming the media may be a convenient foil but he's played the free media game than they have. he has used the personal attack meme against them and literally created memes about them. they need to figure out how to lay this game. >> a lot of democrats i know, who will vote in the democratic
primary and vote for the democratic nominee, they go back and forth between two feelings. one is oh, my god i'm terrified. maybe this guy will be formidable in a general and the other is, are you kidding? donald trump. donald trump is not going to be president of the united states. last night was a bit of a window. you see a lot of fear among republicans. this guy has a lot of vulnerabilities and weaknesses that's not been tested. >> i think in theory he could be a formidable candidate. if he ignites working class white voters he can get pennsylvania, ohio in place. >> if he can boost mitt romney's performance five points among white folks he could have a shot. >> and make up for the fact he will get wiped out. the other theory is because he's not been vetted and no attacks on him have really been tested by republicans, that's an unknown. he might be a paper tiger if somebody would only go after him. >> that's what's going to be
terrying is he's going into untested. the buzz feed reporter, he's amazing at finding stuff. you have donald trump talking about his experiences having casual sex as his own personal vietnam, avoiding an std. >> that's an ad that writes itself. that is nowhere. the guy from buzz feed had the find that. >> it's there. republicans haven't used it. always a pleasure. >> thank you. how trump is giving the media a taste of its own medicine. >> help me.
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we're live in columbia, south carolina. we're joined by a regular. the man who is called the colonel who is enjoying a drink drink at the bar. there's a lot more to come. one of the most effective and most unnerving devices on trump's campaign. stay with us. >> i need water. help me. ou can just drop me off right here. oh no, i'll take you up to the front of the school. that's where your friends are. you don't wa to be seen with your dad? no, it's..no.. oh, there's tracy. what! [ horn honking ] [ forward collision warning ] bye dad! it brakes when you don't.
ever met. i think the new york times is one of the most dishonest media outlets i've ever seen in my life. the worst. the worst. the absolute worse. they have an agenda that you wouldn't believe. >> moments like that become a standard part of donald trump's stump speech. he invites the audience to cast their scorn at them, turn around and boo them. it's one of the most effective and unnerving devices of his campaign. it comes straight out of a media play back. right winging outlets like fax ne fox news have been telling their audience that any information coming from outside is not to be trusted. it's been an effective way to consolidate their own influence. not only has trump adopted that tactic attacking usual suspects
like the new york times and washington post, but he's turning it back on the c conservative media who started it in first place. trump seemed to have undermine the network in the eyes of its core audience with perception of the fox news brand among republican adults hitting its lowest point in three years according to a new survey. after being asked about his tax returns at last night's debate he dodged the question by insultinged to moderator using fox news's favorite method of taunting, ratings. >> a year ago you told me on my radio show, the audio in the transcript are out there on you tube that you would release your tax returns. >> true. >> are you going back on your commitment? >> first of all, very few people listen to your radio show, which happens to be true. check out the ratings.
>> david, you've covered roger wo has run f who has run fox news since the inception. no response. no one watches you. your ratings are terrible. stick your finger in your ear. >> you would say the student has become the master but donald trump has been mastering the media for a long time. you got to go back to nixon and roger was there during the 1968 first presidential run. i think he's using it against the press effectively. he's saying these guys are against us. it's not for nothing that trump has had some high unfavorable ratings. even a significant amount of the republican voting electorate is more trusted than the media right now.
>> trusted as the media can show all kinds of unfavorable things based on public interview and public record. >> i had crazy experience when i was taunging to voters the other night in vegas. voter after voter, these are republican primary voters, caucus goers saying i don't listen to fox anymore. i can't trust fox anymore. i'm over them. these were all trump supporters who he had pried their trust away from the thing they have been trusting for years. now with megyn kelly says something about him they just dismiss it. it's all considered the source. it's not evaluating the information on its own. it's just consider the source. >> based on the fox success and formula from the outset was we're fair and balanced and nobody else is and the establishment is out to get us and we, at fox, are identifying with you, the people who are upset with the kbleed and the
leets and the establishment. fox has become the establishment. fox has out flank the republican party in many ways and lists back a little bit say the right center in part because rupert murdock is a bit more pragmatic but also he's a pragmatist who wants people elected. 2012 roger ales tried to get who into the race? chris christie. they were very interested this david petraeus. this is not the ravings of a guy who is only on the right. ales is very conservative but pragmatic. he's turned the play book against conservative thought leaders who are opposed to him.
if that means fox news is in his way, then he will go after some of fox's figures. he's very attuned to individuals. if they're coming after him in that moment, he's going to come after him hard. if they are praise worthy, giving him the time he needs, the air time he desires, he's going to be complimentary. this is real housewives territory, right? >> thank you very much. >> you bet. >> the fight is on. we have a pretty good idea about what's going to happen in south carolina. you never know and what happens on super tuesday and beyond is anyone's guess. bernie sanders campaign surrogate killer mike will be here to talk strategy, ahead. you need fast relief. alka-seltzer plus severe sinus congestion and cough liquid gels rush relief to your tough symptoms. to put you back in control. [doorbell] woman: coming! alka-seltzer plus sinus.
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we're just about 11 hours from polling sites opening here and four days from super tuesday. sanders campaign has all but acknowledged hillary clinton has a big advantage going into south carolina. the polls show her leading her. hillary clinton is scheduled to be here tomorrow night while bernie is set to be this minnesota.
how will sanders perform on super tuesday. no one knows what will happen. >> there are a number of people who say the math doesn't add up for you looking forward. how do you think you can win this nomination? >> you ready for this one. the answer is by getting more delegates than my opponent. i'm pretty good in a rit rithme and i can add. on super tuesday there will be about 1,080 we'll win a lot of them. >> how many? >> 398 -- how do i know? sometimes i have been known to be critical of the media. once or twice. here we are talking about children in south carolina and in america in the wealthiest country in the world. you're asking me to predict how many votes i'm going to get in 12 states.
you know what, i don't know. nor do you, nor do anybody else. i'll tell you the answer to that on wednesday. how's that? >> wait till wednesday. i got a chance to speak to bernie sanders one-half of the excellent rap group. i began asking how he decided to back bernie sanders. >> i've never been a passive political reporter. my grandmother was from alabama, took parts in the civil rights movement and became a staunch democrat. there was a politician that she liked afternoon city government, we campaigned for him. andrew young, maynard jackson. even the current mayor. you believe in a politician, you get out there and work for them. that's what i've been doing. when sanders came along, i liked his tweets and research him. i like his policy.
when you believe in something, you get out and work for it. >> there's the difference between you're a hip hop artist. you live by your words in a different context than the political context. >> we tell the truth. >> what does that experience been like? >> i'm lucky that in my character in hip hop is me. i'm michael render. my character is killer mike. the truth align themselves with the policy of bernie sanders. if you listen to a record like burn from me. ♪ prisons overcrowds and prisons too ♪ ♪ go to prison, the new way slavery ♪ now you know why they undereducate your baby ♪ >> you're hearing me complain about police harassment. it matches up with this candidate. i would challenge more hip hop artists that are rapping about what it's like to be real and the social ills we face, if you
aren't backing sanders, i have to question your credibility in terms of do you mean the songs you're writing. >> there's been so much press. we got through iowa, new hampshire and south carolina and now the black vote matters. it's like where's -- who's going to win the black vote? sanders has had a real uphill battle there. how do you understand that uphill battle? when you're out talking to people, what's your read on why he is having a more difficult time among that set of folks? >> i don't agree with that notion that he's having a more difficult time. what i agree with is that the press has not done a fair job of exposing him. he's not had the ability to connect with black people in the mass way but what he has done a great job of, social media black kids know about him. young black progressives know about him.
barbersho barbershops, people know about him. what i would say is that kids know about him and they're off the radar. >> your thing is this is largely an exposure issue. here is a senator from vermont. here is one of the most famous people in the world. >> absolutely. >> you think that's the obstacle? >> absolutely. i think that's the obstacle. once black people here his policy, they switch. hillary is good enough, but the policy of enough is enough that we'll change thinks seizes with people. >> let me push back on this. >> that's fine. >> politics is more than politics. one thing that's occurred to me is bernie sanders is a able politician. he spent 30 years in an almost entirely white state. >> he did. >> it's like politics is stand up comedy, you go to different rooms and fientd out where you get the laughs. he hasn't worked these rooms. >> that's not true.
that's not true. he's in here today at black college speaking. >> i'm not saying now, the duration of the campaign. the constituents are coming from a different place than a barbershop in south carolina. >> i've seen him as a unifier. >> one of knocks on bernie sanders is hillary clinton has said it's a one note campaign. it's a one issue candidacy. i want to talk about racial justice, gender justice. he wans the talk about the billionaires and billionaires. you like that consistency? >> it boils down to the american people. his one thing is the american people. when you want to talk about racial justice. that's not the same as i want to do something about. saying i want to hold police accountable is doing something. say i want to take money out of
politics, is doing something. say i want to pay women a fair wage is doing something and saying young black people deserve not to be called super predators but to be engages that gives them equal opportunity. i'm tired of talking. when hillary clinton was working on the gold water campaign, he was getting locked up for my rights. 50 years later he's talking about doing something and not talking. >> my conference with karen finney. stay with us. we live in a pick and choose world.
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have you seen bernie sanders rallies? i haven't seen that many white voters since the oscars. we have some hollywood fans. >> hillary clinton surrogate, barbara boxer in an event last night. poking fun at his difficulty of winning over non-white voters. today clinton was at a get out the vote rally at historic black south carolina state university. i had chance to speak with karen finney, senior advisor and spokesperson for the hillary clinton campaign. i asked her what it's like on the ground this week inside the clinton bubble. >> it's been great. that's part of why i wanted to be in south carolina. when you're on the ground you get a different perspective. i've been in the bubble and able to step out.
it's been great. the energy has been great. the crowd size has been increasing. we had an amazing event with sabrina fulton. it's been amazing. >> what's changed? the this campaign has a problem. they don't have a message. it's not working. the other is these are unrepresented states. what's you're understanding? >> a couple of things. i think number one, i think we always knew it was really going to come -- it wasn't going to be iowa and new hampshire but nevada, south carolina and super tuesday. very important. in terms of the number of delegates you need to secure the
nomination, you have to take the long view. getting to south carolina, hillary's message and her story and her record, she has a long relationship with the black community starting here in south carolina when she was just out of law skool and wochool and wo juvenile justice issues. she knows these people well and knows the people well. she's talking about breaking down barriers. she's the only person who has been out there talking about white privilege and talking about the intersectionalty. >> i can't believe that term -- you've worked in democratic politics a long time. as a person, not as a hillary clinton campaign surrogate, express what it means to be saying our candidate for the nomination to be president is talking about white privilege. that was unthinkable 20 years ago. >> it was unthinkable. it was unthinkable ten years ago, 15 years ago. i think the way the country has
changed in part because of the presidency of barack obama and the violence that we have seen on our cell phones and our tv sets over the last couple of years, i think black lives matter have helped the issues. we're having a different conversation about race and what it means to understand your experiences and my experience. >> here is the concern that people have. i think some of the concern is people who are sanders supporters and think hillary clinton is just saying this. some are hillary clinton supporters who say we'll get in this general and there's people saying you have to win white working class voters in ohio, particularly if it's donald trump waiting against and this white privilege, criminal justice reform talk, it's like where did that go. >> you ever to keep talking about it. she's made a commitment she will keep talking about it. she has said to audience across the country, hold me accountable.
she talks the same whether it's a white audience, a black audience, a mixed audience. when you're talking about, particularly breaking down barriers and talking about investing in communities that have been left behiend, that's conversation that's applicable across the country. on criminal justice reform, i think one of the things we have seen is it's become more of a 2016 issue. i think it will be an issue in the general election. >> i think it's very interesting because there's all this noise made about bipartisan criminal justice reform. if i did that, republicans would attack way right on that issue in the general. that's where the -- >> i think the other piece of this, i think the record matters. one of the things being here in south carolina that has been different is, again, people know this woman and her record. they show she's fought for social justice. they know she fought for child care, health care. she's actually in the senate fought for things like ending
racial profiling, changing the crack/cocaine and powder cocaine disparities. >> all right. karen finney, great to have you. >> great to be with you. >> that is "all in". we'll see you next week from houston, texas. tune in tomorrow. the rachel maddow show starts now. good evening. safe travels. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. just when you think you know what's going to happen next. just when you feel like you got la handle on the story and where it's going. just when you think you've got it under control, things go a little nuts. there are still some known knowns in the world. we still know a few things about what will happen next. i can tell you that tonight is south carolina eve. tomorrow p w