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there is only so much of his own governorship that can still stand before holding that office becomes untenable for him. are we there yet? msnbc's continuing political coverage is up next. >> decision day in south carolina. again, this time it's the democrat's turn. doors opening right now at polling places across the palmetto state. good morning, everyone. i'm alex witt here in new york t. place for politics. bernie sanders and hillary clinton face off in the first south prime at this hour. while their story lean appears to hold little suspense today, it is the republican race providing drama and spectacle as super tuesday looms. the battle for gop supremacy reduced to personal attacks. here's a snapshot. >> what we are dealing with here, my friends, is a con
artist. he is a con artist. >> you get low lifes like a guy like rubio saying horrible things, horrible things. and who needs it? really, who needs it? this is a low life. >> i'm endorsing the person i believe is the best person to defeat hillary clinton and restore american jobs, prestige around the world and restore the faith and confidence in the american people again. >> i respect that. i have more than my fair share of endorse pts. >> let's talk about a lightweight senator from florida who is losing big in the polls. >> if you have friends thinking of voting for donald trump. friends do not let friends vote for a con artist. guys, we have a con artist in the front runner of the party. >> that is a portion of it. in this next full hour, will you hear the analysis of who holds the best path to the nomination.
there the headlines should read, critical vote today for democrats, instead, it is bumped by a devastating, at times ugly back and forth between republican front runners. donald trump and his gop rivals had a bitter pitch today. the events come a day after the bombshell endorsement of trump by former presidential contender chris christie, amid a war of words, that's gotten personal between trump and rivals marco rubio and ted cruz. >> these are two desperate people. they're desperate. you know the one guy in florida, he's down 20 points, rubbio. i tell you what, they hate him in florida. they hate him. >> isn't this a guy that portrays himself as a tough guy? he's not a tough guy. this is a guy that inherited $200 million.
if not for that, he'd be selling watches in time's square. >> a new national online poll conducted by nbc news and survey monkey shows trump in the lead at 39%, followed by rubio, cruz coming in third. on the democratic side, clinton and sanders are doing double duty making final pitches to south carolina voters and hitting super tuesday states. the nbc "wall street journal" marist poll shows clinton with a 28 point lead and in texas, where the most delegates are at stake on tuesday, clinton leads sanders there. the online poll conducted by nbc news and survey monkey shows her leading nationally and they criss-cross south carolina last night. >> i'm here to tell you why i can do it all. i can't do it all. we need a big turn jut tomorrow, but i need your help, not just tomorrow. i'm going to need your help the
day after the general election. >> i want to send a strong signal that south carolina is ready for change, ready for progress, ready to make a difference and i will do everything i can as a democratic nominee if i'm so fortunate to help turn south carolina a little blueer this year. >> we had several reports this morning, covering the latest from both races. nbc's luke russert is in arkansas with the trump camp. we are talking to voters ahead of super tuesday. nbc's kristen welker is in columbia, south carolina, following hillary clinton. halle jackson is with the cruz campaign. we begin with jacob rascone, joining me from a polling location in orange burg, south carolina, where the doors have opened some four-and-a-half minutes ago. good morning, jacob. how is it looking there? >> good morning.
this is brookedale middle school. we know here hillary clinton is favored to win t. pom versus just opened here. if you take a look around, you see, we have a few people already here t. first in line, in fact, pauline, you don't have to tell us who you voted for. what does it mean to come here, be first in line and cast your vote? >> i didn't know i was first in line. it matters to come out. with things going on today, you want to make sure your vote matters and everything that goes on and as of age my parents taught me to get out, do what i can do to help the community. >> reporter: if you don't mind, pauline, what's at stake here for you? what is most critical in this election? >> in this election, there is a lot going on, we have so many homeless people, a lot of poor people and a lot of cheers that don't have, i come up there was five of us, where my parents provided for us. neither had a college degree. they provided for all of us to go to college. >> thank you very much.
thank you for your time. if we walk back here, you are going to see, how they have this set up as you sign in here, making sure you didn't vote in the republican primary. they want to check and make sure you didn't vote absentee. once they've checked and made sure that you didn't do either of those things, you come back here, and they have a little piece of equipment called a peb that they put in the polling station to turn it on and then, of course, have you your "options action." but you may be surprised to hear that you not only have hillary clinton, bernie sanders and martin o'malley, a fourth person, willie wilson, a businessman from chicago. we will see how they all do. back to you. >> wait, what? that is news to me. >> that fourth person on -- just to confuse things. >> it was news to me. >> yes, also someone we saw dropped out. you think they could have updated things buy that time.
martin ama mart martin o'malley dropped out sometime ago. the war of insults between donald trump and marco rubio heats up. luke is in arkansas where trump will be holding a rally this afternoon. with an early good morning to you. what is one to make of the exchanges between trump and rubio? >> i think it's safe to say, alex, yesterday is one of the craziest days throughout this campaign trail and greetings to you from the town that wal-mart built itself, literally, i can't tell you that enough, since i have been here. but let's talk about what happened yesterday. marco rubio and donald trump gloves off, continuing the back and forth they had, a debate in houston on thursday night. marco rubio newly rejuvenated, going after trump, throwing it all in, going all in, the kitchen sink being thrown at the man from new york. lock at the amarco rubio laid on
donald trump yesterday. >> he takes to twitter. lightweight marco rubio was working hard last night this is true t. problem is, he is a chalker. and once a chalker, always a choker, i guess that's what he meant to say. he called me mr. meltdown. let me tell you something. last night in the debate, two of the breaks, he went back stage, he was having a meltdown. first he had this little makeup thing applying like makeup around his mustache. he had a sweat mustaches. then, he asked for a full length mirror. i don't know why, the podium goes up to here. >> reporter: so you see right there, marco rubio poking fun at donald trump. making fun of his inably to spell correctly on twitter, the fact that he was applying the makeup during that debate, in the time in between the commercial break. well, if you are going to go after the king, you better not
miss. marco rubio laid a hit on him. take a listen to how donald trump responded to rubio. >> it's rubio. unbelievable. >> and there you see donald trump poking fun at rubio and his habit of liking to drink water with some zee saying is a nervous twitch. put this in the context of politics, it was very school yard. i've talked to a lot of members on capitol hill in my day, a lot of republican members said i wish rubio was out sooner. we needed him. that's the way to get to trump, get under his skin, get in the mud. he is a bully, that itself the only way to lay an effective
punch. >> well, i think there is some truth to that. he has been certainly matching of light. thank you, luke. for analysis, let's bring in joe watkins, former h.w. bush and patrick murray. can i say, patrick is here in studio. the two of us looked at each other during these sound boits and went, uh-huh, let's go with the big news, chris christie has given his endorsement to trump. this happened after saying things like this. >> donald has a lot of talents, he does, he has been a successful businessman. he has absolutely no ability in this area. it doesn't make him a bad guy. i think he's generally a good person. but, you know what, he has no business being president of the united nations and if i thought he did, i wouldn't be running. i'd be helping him. >> so, patrick, what's chris christie get out of this? and how does this affect any of your home states? >> i have been following chris christie's career, since
forever. >> yes. >> since he was u.s. attorney, a decade ago. in new jersey we have been used to seeing a chris christie who always makes that political calculation, how can this best serve me? he has pretty much decimated the republican party in the state of new jersey, in the service of his own political ambitions, but i was still shocked by this, because it only says that, to me, that he made the calculation that which of these presidential candidates would be the most likely to do me a favor. >> yeah. >> and you know, by either a cabinet appointment, a vp. i realize donald trump was the only one who would seriously consider. i know john kasich seriously mentioned chris christie before. he was trying to get his endorsement at the time. seriously, i think that's the important thing. those in new jersey know there are a lot of problems in new jersey. chris christie has two years in
his gubernatorial term. there are financial, big financial problems in the state. i think he's looking for an exit strarnlgs just being plainly honest about this. >> okay. joe, i want to ask you from this perspective, do you think this is the first sign of the gop establishment accepting trump as a candidate. do you think, if so, there is more to come? >> there are some other members of congress that endorsed him this week. i think there are more establishing republicans then anybody has made these peace with the fact that donald trump is likely to be the republican nominee in this sickle. chris christie's endorser was huge. what that did was, it made it okay for lots of establishment republicans around the country to say, you know what, i think i'm going to back donald trump. i mean, you got super tuesday coming up next week the timing was great. especially after the very lively debate the other night, christie's endorsement couldn't have been a better time for donald trump. this is, they took away the news cycle from marco rubio, put the
attention back on donald trump. again, it's a huge signal to establishment republicans around the country. people who might have been a little tentative getting behind donald trump, hey, it's okay to get behind donald trump, i'm getting behind donald trump. >> the lively debate. you heard luke giving examples of how these two a literally going head-to-head now. have you marco rubio matching donald trump's style. how is that going to work out for a candidate who is not donald trump? >> it might be too little too late. when you go after donald trump, you will not dent his support after all. they dig their heels in, even harder. what marco rubio is trying to do is save the people who are supporting ted cruz, john kasich and ben carson, look, we need to go, find somebody with donald trump and pull those votes away and hoping build his support.
>> okay. also, the i go es the least extreme candidate in the party. what does it say about this? john caseic? i mean, he cannot seem to get any oxygen in this race, joe. >> he's a great candidate for general election. he makes so much sense. he is somebody who obviously reaches out to democrats or independents, to people everywhere. and he has been very consistent about. that he's a smart guy to want to stay into ohio. at least until march 15th, a winner take all state. he thinks he might have a chance to win ohio, not necessarily. donald trump is doing very, very well there. nonetheless, he should stick around because it gives him a shot. certainly john kasich positioned himself to be a player in the party. if republicans win the white house, maybe john kasich said the chance to be considered for a vice president would be the running mate of the nominee. certainly for a could be net post, for some important position. he certainly heightened his national profile. he's done himself a lot of
favors. >> guy, thank you so much for your insights. with donald trump poised to win big on super tuesday, democrats may be strategizing how to beat him. then to worry it could turn into an unpredictable house of hor horrors remember that is next. >> i'm excited about it. we'll have to see how things play out. because the future of the world is at stake, i guess.
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okay. great honeer. i think he meant to say great honor. the e and o are nowhere near each other on the keyboard. like trump tower, he must have hired a foreign worker for his own tweets. >> marco rubio taking aim at donald trump's storm of misspelled tweets. hours later the businessman reposted them with the mistakes fixed. let's bring in msnbc's contributors. do you think it's coming too late to make him really a contender against trump? >> it plays like someone who is playing to win. i think his supporters are ready to see a larger range of more ka rubio containing tactics. they are ready to see the whole selling point of a marco rubio candidacy, he can win. so if it's playing by trump's
rules, i think they're ready to do it. like you say, is it too late,? is it going to be enough? there is a path and any, it gets slimmer. he can pulverize delegates and not get too behind, then again it's very, to you, you don't have a lot of time to campaign. at the end of the month, winner takes all. he needs to get the momentum and get it fast. i think we will have to wait to see the polls come in on tuesday to know if it's enough. >> speaking of the primaries. democrats in south carolina today, alex. the polls show hillary clinton way ahead of bernie sanders. does he have a shot at winning? does he need to? >> i think even his campaign would acknowledge that a win is probably out of reach for him. polk average has him down near 25 points as you mentioned, but, you know, for him, he's just trying to outperform expectations. the silver lining of being so far down, it means expectations
are set very low. still, it speaks to the biggest problem of the sanders' campaign overall, which is his weakness among minorities. african-americans are expecting to be anywhere from 50% on the tournout. another big part of the super tuesday turnout, seven states in the south, also at large african-americans, he would like to do will here to show he can perform better in those states going forward, he'd like to rack up some delegates as well. instead of winner take all. i'm not expecting a particularly bright night. >> in terms of the delegates. clinton is way ahead. sanders wins the popular vote, lags in delegates. >> it's possible, alex, with the super delegates that that could happen. but you know, that would be a good scenario for bernie sanders. right now, he's still going to struggle to get the pledge delegates. the ones you actually win. take a look at super tuesday, 11 states up for grabs.
he is targeting five. she is targeting six. the problem is that his states are much smaller than hers. so you add up all five of his states. you take her single biggest state,ing the. you get 222 delegates right there. so as we play this forward through the rest of the month of march. he is strong in small states with smaller populations, fewer delegate counts. she is advantage in larger states with bigger populations and bigger delegate counts. he would be happy to have a problem where he has more popular support than delegates. >> jane, what about the thing happening in ohio on swing states the latest match-up polls, quinnipiac specifically here show republicans who are not donald trump winning most of the general election match-ups. what do you make of that? >> i think it signals there may be a general election problem for donald trump. i.the hit campaign says there is a lot of crossover votes. he'll get voters who have never
voted republican before. because he's a different kind of candidate. i think this helps bolster the candidate the campaign promises that marco rubio's team comes out with, that says we are far more electable than donald trump in a general election. it will be a lot easier as he made the point so vividly in the debate for him to go to someone's wedding he didn't attend, he hasn't previously been so friendly with like donald trump has. >> guy, thanks, so much. the big thing on super tuesday is texas. what are the issues that will dictate their votes next? >> a lot of mixed emotions, anger, excitement. i think every time that there is anger, a lot of change and great stuff comes from that.
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trump's momentum. we have an early good morning, jacob. you went to rodeo. you spoke to voters. so what do they think of cruz? >> reporter: good morning, alex. yes, i did go to the rodeo here at the stockyards in ft. worth. ft. worth is in tarrant county, according to some people here, a great microcosm of texas as a whole. at least when you look at it electorally. it's the largest urban red county in the state. when you look at the results from 2012 in 2008. they mirrored the state wide results almost exactly. it's a big test for ted cruz here coming up on tuesday. i went last night to the stockyard's championship rodeo. it was unbelievable. super fun. i talked to people about what they think about what will happen on tuesday. take a look at this. >> right now i'm still leaning towards trump. >> reporter: donald trump, huh? >> yes, sir. >> reporter: over your hometown guy ted cruz? >> yes, i have been a
businessman for 25 years. i think washington needs somebody to take care of business. >> yeah, i don't really see cruz doing anything positive. i know there is a lot of talk about donald trump not doing a whole lot of things, but i think he will do a lot of positive things. >> ted cruz. >> reporter: ted cruz? >> yep. >> reporter: hometown senior? >> not only that, he called donald trump out. i think he made a val it point. >> i'd love to vote for cruz. the polls around in his favor, i'd choose for the winner. >> reporter: early voting here has been just huge. 75% republican turnout. 25% democratic turnout, i have been told by the local election here, it makes people exciting to see what will happen on tuesday, of course, it sounded there people are leaning more towards trump than the hometown guy ted cruz, again with the get out the vote we have seen over and over again, it's up in the air, alex. we will see just in a couple days. >> an interesting snapshot
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nomination? >> the polls are now opened in south carolina for today's democratic poll in cloum u columbia. 59
delegates are at stake that suggests by the polls that hillary clinton will win handily, they expect a turnout of 350 and 400,000 ballots, with i is half the record turnout in the gop last saturday. welcome back, everyone, good morning. i'm alex witt here at msnbc, the place for politics. the war escalates between donald trump and his two main rivals. the five candidates are making their final pitches in super tuesday states. the events come a day after the bombshell endorsement of donald trump by contender chris
christie. as democrats head to the polls in south carolina, clinton and sanders are setting their sights on super tuesday states. clinton will be holding an event in alabama before holding a watch party in columbia, south carolina. sanders will be watching the results come in at an event in minnesota after campaign income texas, where 222 delegates are at stake there in the lone star state. let's bring in kristen welker in south carolina for the democratic party. good morning. what can we expect today from the palmetto state? >> reporter: well the stakes couldn't be higher, alex. the polls have been opened now for about a half an hour. it turned out a little slow so far. we have seen a few people trick him through. secretary clinton has a double digit lead here in this critical state. her campaign telling me, though, they are not taking any votes for granted. senator sanders insisting he's not giving up on this state. still, he has been sharply focused on those super tuesday states as well. hillary clinton and bernie sanders trying to catch fire at
the oyster roast friday night. making their closing arguments in a series of stuff as voters head to the polls. >> let's have a great turnout tomorrow in south carolina. >> reporter: the south carolina primary is personally important to me. >> reporter: and the democratic candidates are sharpening their attacks. hillary clinton hitting sanders on guns. >> we need to strip the immunity that the congress voted for, including my opponent, giving gunmakers and sellers immunity. >> reporter: and sanders trying to court critical african-american voters here, criticized clinton's stance on the death penalty. >> my opponent believes in the death penalty. i do not. >> reporter: but the toughest words came from sanders' surrogate, rapper killer mike, who slammed clinton for using the term super predators as first lady. which some saw as a slight to african-american teens. >> where was concern for black boys lying in the street,
somebody chose to call them super presidents. >> reporter: this after a black lives matter activist demanded an apology for her 1996 comments earlier in the week. >> are you going to apologize to black people? >> reporter: clinton said she was talk about drug cartel. >> looking back, i shouldn't have used those words. >> reporter: still clinton topped african-americans in south carolina by double digits, leaving some to wonder if sanders can stop her. can a democratic candidate win the nomination without having significant support of african-americans in this cycle? >> i don't think so. the african-american coalition is probably one of the most important to a democratic candidate. >> reporter: while sanders is hoping to har i don't the gap here in south carolina, he has been campaigning in super tuesday states, where it's closer and the electorate is less diverse. instead of being here tonight when the votes come in, he will be at a rally in minnesota, as
you pointed out earlier. >> duly noted, kristen keller with. let's go to tennessee, halle jackson is following the republicans as they gear up for super tuesday. good morning, halle, are we going to see a difference in donald trump's campaign, now he seems to be getting establishment support? >> reporter: yeah. this endorsement from chris christie, alex, big news for donald trump as he heads into some super tuesday campaigning today, tennessee, of course, one of those super tuesday states, here out in nashville. it's interesting you look at what's trending online the hashtag never trump, pushed by people who do not back the billion fair. but it's, obviously, the guy who does, the former new jersey governor, is making all the headlines. together today on air, trump, they're taking it on tour. chris christy, now out of the race, but back in the spotlight, as in attack dog for donald trump. >> marco rubio, your campaign is almost over, buddy. showing a lot of desperation
today. >> reporter: the new jersey governor's endorsement of the new york billion fair, sending shock waves through the republican race. >> happy to be on the trump team. i look forward to working with him. >> reporter: just last month, he was calling out carnival barkers. >> show time is over, everybody. we are not electing an intent tainer in chief. >> reporter: trump is hoping to stay ahead of ted cruz and marco rubio, saving his mocking moments for the florida senator. >> last night i saw him back stage with makeup, he is taking it with a trowel and putting it on. he was soaking wet and he was out here and you know, i only say it because honestly this is not a presidential guy. >> reporter: rubio firing back. >> chris is an ar tick late line. donald probably needs a lifeline. >> reporter: he is on offense now, at times almost gleefully. >> he had this makeup thing around his mustache.
a full length mirror. maybe to make sure his pants weren't wet. i don't know. >> reporter: msnbc news reporting the super pack supporting rubio is spending more than $5 million on ads attacking trump, with super tuesday three days away, where trump looks ready to roll. rubio hoping his new aggressive attitude isn't coming too late to take trump down. >> you all have friends thinking of voting for donald trump, friends do not let friends vote for con artists. >> reporter: as for chris christie, alex, his endorsement of donald trump triggered speculation that maybe he is angling for a position in a potential trump white house. maybe vice president or attorney general. but christie is insisting when his term as new jersey governor is done, he plans to head into private law practice and, alex, make money like trump in his words. >> well, there's something. halle jackson, thank you so much from nashville. let's bring in patrick murray for a look at all this.
we will throw that up on the screen, take a look at all the polling in those states, trump is dominating. his name is everywhere, except two, three states there. particularly in new england he is dominating. what do you make of that? >> there are a couple old polls, other than texas, there is not one state on super tuesday where donald trump does not have the lead. and one thing we are looking at, he had the bicker leads in the southern states, very, very blue collar working class republican electorate in those states. there is a concern there that he might be able to be picking up these independents. they are open primaries, which means he is bringing in people who don't normally vote in a republican primary. will those people then multiply in a general election? right now the polling is suggesting that he is not as strong a candidate against
hillary clinton and some others. that will change when this nominee gets determined. and so, you know, it looks like right now, the way those delegates are allocated in those states, there is no question that donald trump will have the most delegates by the time we get to the convention, the only question and it's becoming a diminishing question right now is whether he will have an outright majority to win on the first bal lot. and that's what marco rubio is trying to do. get his percentage up, high enough in each of these states so that he can deny donald trump the outright majority, go to a brokers convention. that's the strategy right now. >> so then it sound to me like these other states, these outlier states grand you say it was old, minnesota has rubio on there. it doesn't matter at this point. is that what you are saying? in terms of the overall delegate count? >> i mean it will matter, because it's the percentage you get in each of those states determines whether you get all the delegates, two-thirds of the
delegates or half the delegates. it's really, for example, donald trump got 35% of the vote in south carolina. 100% of the delegates. each state has a slightly different way to allocate their delegates. so donald trump continues to win each state with a third of the vote taking at least two-thirds of the delegates in each state. that's yu want to stop them in a state like florida and ohio, those are winner take all. whoever comes out on top. this is one of the reasons john kasich will stay in this race. because at least there is a possibility he could deny trump 66 delegates out of ohio. that's what the republican establishment right now is counting on. >> you look at the numbers, you see trump being the one inevitably that gets into the convention with the delegates. he's got the margin. >> he will have the most delegates. the question is whether he will have 50% plus 1 and right now, looking at that super tuesday map, we'll know more after super tuesday, he's getting very close to that, that mark.
>> okay. patrick, thank you so much as always. dating chris christie's endorsement of donald trump, is the new jersey governor angleing for a job if donald trump becomes president? we'll talk about it ahead. >> i don't know who i will vote for, go in, close the curtain, that's when i'm going to make my decision. (pilot speaking to tower over radio) (tower speaking to pilot over radio) once you get out here... (radio chatter continues in background) that's all there is. there's just one direction. forward. one time... now.
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expect? >> i don't know, i'm really excited to look at the turnout results to see whether or not she was actually able close the gap on the distance between the young people in south carolina, also whether or not senator sanders was able to close the gap with african-americans. i was the fifth person to vote this morning at 7:00. so there is some enthusiasm in south carolina. we are hoping it resonates across the state. >> hogan, bernie sanders, has been focusing on the super tuesday states at this point. if he loses badly in south carolina today, give me a sense of how much that hurts him. >> well, look, i mean, when you are running a campaign, are you on a campaign, you divvy up the resources where they need to be. you look at the polls, you say, can i spend money in states where i am down 30 points or do i need to go on to other states. bernie is making another play, he is going to states where he is ahead and the gamble aguess is that if you lose here badly, the media narrative will be hillary is starting to lock this thing up. does that wave that tidal wave
of hillary support and that media narrative drive down some of bernie's enthusiasm and support. if there is anything we seen so far, bernie has been able to close gaps and close them quickly on hillary. i don't think her team was prepared for it. now they are prepared. it looks like they have taken a strangle hold on most of this election for her. >> chris christy's endorsement of donald trump. how indebted is donald trump to chris christie because of this? >> well, immensely, right? he was able to recapture our news cycle. all of the conversation going into yesterday morning was about how successful for rubio was in the debate in houston. and to be able to pull a rabbit out of his hat in the form of governor chris christie, stole back that news cycle and made it about the differences between him and rubio and got him back in the spotlight. not that he needs more spotlight. but i think it was a huge, huge gift for him to bring in large money donors, also, who have
influenced, not that mr. trump needs cash, but he needs their influence, those large republican donors' influence to come in in order to capture the main stream of the republican party. >> what do you think of christie? >> goodness, i don't know if they worked out a deal ahead or not. typically these endorsements come with some type of help. look, obviously, trump's the big winner. with that, jason is right, he did capture the back the news cycle. it makes sense for governor christie. they worked together in new jersey for all the business deals that donald trump was doing. and what christy has been talking about from the get go, he wants someone with executive experience. he feels like the senators do nothing. all they do is talk below the 8. nothing gets done. at least now, he can be idea logically pure to some degree, regardless of what trump said on the trail. >> that means he wants someone with executive experience. it's not government executive experience. donald trump knows how it is to
sign the projects, it affects commission, jobs, people's lives, that's what chris christie was talking ab as governor. the governors can't hide behind a podium, pound their fist and make political promises. they have to accomplish things. that's what trump does. so the marriage actually work for me. >> hogan, given the fact that we saw the back and forth between christie and trump when they were competitors. why do you think christie didn't go and endorse kasich? >> that's a great question. and i don't know that. i can't speak for christie on. that i do know he's known donald trump a long time. they've had a long-standing relationship with the business they've done together when christie served as governor and also trump was doing his deals in new jersey. so, obviously, there is a longstanding relationship there. i don't know if he saw the polls and said he is doing really well. i think he can continued on. i don't know if he thought he could have influence on trump's message. although, i doubt too many people have influence on trump's message but donald trump, himself. right now, it looks like a good fit. it looks like he stole back the
news cycle. that's what we are all talking about today. >> it is. jason, ted cruz the polls have him lead income twx 28-2003. if he does not when by a big margin margin tuesday, then what? >> well, then he needs to say adios. in his best texas accent. there's not another state that's out there that i think that he has the capacity to get over the finish line. mr. trump is way ahead, across the country. i'd argue the same thing holds true for senator rubio. if he can't win in his home state of florida, then he needs to say good-bye as well. and there's a pathway for mr. trump to get all the way to columbus and win the republican nomination. but, frankly, whomever the republicans put up, i think that the democrats are going to rally behind our candidate. we're going to have a mountain of enthusiasm. i've described it recently, that if mr. trump is their nominee, we'll be fighting tooth and nail to get to the polls, to make sure he's not the next president
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donald trump is digging in, saying he won't release recent tax returns because he's being audited by the irs. nbc's todd piro has been looking into this. is donald trump right? >> in a word, no. trump's statement that he can't release his returns because he's being audited is just not true. that comes from the irs itself, not from you, not from me. whether or not you really release your return is an individual decision. and an audit is not going to drastically change the numbers. so what you would see if he released now is likely close to what you would see once the audit is done. he presumably has the best tax attorneys, if he doesn't say so himself, that are working on this. >> so what are some of the reasons he might not want to show them? >> let's go back to those tax attorneys, those very good attorneys. they may advise against it because of the intense scrutiny during an audit. basically everyone reading these returns, from the media to those trump detractors will become a tax expert and nothing is going to fall through the cracks on this one. and that could put a lot of
pressure on the irs and could subject him to more tax liability than in a regular audit that is not so much in the public eye. >> you've just given me the money reason there, but what's the campaign reason. you have mitt romney, he keeps referring to some sort of a bombshell. what could that mean? >> let's break this down into two things. returns could show trump isn't as wealthy as he makes himself out to be, which is a huge part of how he sells himself to the american people. but it's also important to keep in mind, there are a lot of parts to someone's personal wealth that don't necessarily appear on a tax return. another major concern is it could really show how charitable or not charitable he is, as romney pointed out, specifically with respect to veterans. he has put himself out there as a big supporter of veterans. numbers could -- not saying they will, but could potentially show that's not the case. >> nbc's todd piro, tharngs for breaking it down for us. >> that's a wrap of this hour of our msnbc live coverage. my colleague tamron hall is joining us from texas in just a moment. tamron will examine what potential impact a black lives
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i'm tamron hall. we are live, bright and early this morning in the great state of texas. how many times have you awakened in a taco bar? this might be your first. not my first. the news of the day certainly is in south carolina, where the polls of the democratic primary have already been open now for an hour. hillary clinton has been leading bernie sanders in the polls by a pretty wide margin, up 28 points. that's in our latest nbc
news/"wall street journal"/marist poll, all but assuring a victim out of south carolina. turning up the pressure on bernie sanders to come up with a plan and fast to stop her momentum. >> hello, south carolina state! >> welcome to the political revolution! thank you all! >> but the political stratosphere still reeling from donald trump's chris christie endorsement bombshell, steeling the thunder, in many ways, from marco rubio, fresh off of his attacks on trump in that big debate. >> do we need a united states senator from florida who doesn't show up for work? >> no! >> let me tell something to marco rubio, the president of the united states is not a no-show job like you treated the united states senate. >> when you're a choke artist, you're always a choke artist. it doesn't really change. it's rubio! unbelievable.
>> then he asks for a full-length mirror. i don't know why, because the podium goes up to here, but he wanted a full-length mirror. maybe to make sure his pants weren't wet, i don't know. then -- >> and now with super tuesday just 72 hours away, republican candidates are scrambling across several battleground states, and what's sure to be another anything-could-happen day, in what many are calling a once-in-a-lifetime race. but i think some people would have called that 2008, as well. our nbc political team is at the polls and covering everything on the trail for you this early morning. we get to the democratic race in a moment, but first to the chaos inside the republican party. in just a few hours, donald trump is scheduled to touch down in bittenville, arkansas. it's part of a final swing through super tuesday states that include, look at the map there, alabama, virginia, and georgia. the next three days. now, the republican front-runner is once again dominating the
news cycle, thanks in part to that bombshell of an endorsement from chris christie, whose appearance on stage with trump surprised a lot of people in the political world. governor christie plans to hit the campaign trail with trump, and last night, both took turns hammering senator rubio, describing him as nervous and sweaty during thursday's debate. >> i saw him backstage with makeup, where he's taking it with a trowel and putting it on. he was soaking wet and he was out here, and you know, i only say it, because, honestly, this is not a presidential guy. this is not a presidential guy. >> i've got one more message for someone who's had a pretty big mouth today. marco rubio, your campaign is almost over, buddy. >> so friday's endorsement, in many ways, sidelined marco rubio, who was on a high after that debate. he spent the early part of the day just relishing in his victory lap, if you can describe
it as that, trying to hammer home the idea that trump is not a conservative and that he's a con artist, who can't even spell. >> what does donald trump do when things go wrong? he takes to twitter. "lightweight marco rubio was working hard last night." this is true. "the problem is, he is a chocker, and once a chocker," always a choker, i guess is what he meant to see. >> hallie jackson is in nashville, tennessee. it's been interesting reaction to rubio on the campaign trail and the christie news as well. >> reporter: hey, tamron, good morning. marco rubio's campaign hasn't really hit chris christie too hard. they're calling him articulate and saying that is what donald trump must need after his debate performance on thursday. it's a little bit of a backhanded compliment as chris christie throws his support behind the republican front-runner, donald trump. and he's also taking on a little
bit of a new role as an attack dog. you heard him late last night, talk about how rubio must be getting desperate, essentially. christie claiming that rubio's campaign must be almost over. rubio, obviously, pushing back against that. his campaign is prepped for the long haul, as he takes on an aggressive tone against trump. it's a new one. we heard him mock trump, we heard him talk about, in this teasing, almost gleeful way, some of the things that happened on thursday night's debate. rubio hoping, of course, this tone doesn't come too little to affect voters on super tuesday, as he and his rivals try to slow down the front-runner, who looks, frankly, tamron, ready to roll through some of these southern s.e.c. primary states. back to you. >> all right. thank you, hallie jackson. a beautiful shot there behind her. let's go to nbc's luke russert. he's in bentonville, arkansas, for us this morning, where donald trump will be holding a rally later today, a huge crowd in texas for donald trump. we've gotten used to that since the summer of trump. and it probably will be the very
same there today, luke. >> reporter: yeah, hey, there, good morning, tamron. literally here at the town that walmart build. donald trump is going to have a rally later today in an airport hangar, right next to where i'm standing, expecting a very loud and boisterous crowd. and this is a state in the heart of the s.e.c. primary country. now, arkansas has not got a lot of polling, however, it has been a showing of a tight race between cruz, rubio, and trump. some polls even showing cruz in a little bit of a lead. evangelicals, obviously, huge here. however, donald trump, he has a weapon in arkansas. sarah huckabee, the daughter of mike huckabee, the popular governor, former governor here, she signed on to his campaign. so expect him to do at least well on the the ground here in the state, because he's inherited a lot of the huckabee enterprise, shall we say. all that being said, expect probably more knocks on marco rubio today. donald trump, really trying to make himself out to be the
front-runner in this race. and willing to put it all behind him, but the end of these s.e.c. primary states. talking to voters last night, i was going around here at some of the local establishments, a lot of people receptive to trump, but i heard a constant concern of his temperament. so we'll see if he does anything to try and ease those concerns for people. rubio, also, seems to be, from folks i talked to here, the standard-bearer for the establishment, when's left of it, and if cruz can pull off some of that evangelical support, maybe he has a budding chance. but if donald trump continues to do well with evangelicals like he did in south carolina, should do pretty well here in arkansas, tamron. >> and rick, it's -- excuse me, rick, luke. we're going to go to rick in a second. but luke, it's interesting you're hearing some of this talk of temperament. there are so many stereotypes as a southerner that people associate with brashness and in your face and that you're hearing a little bit of that in arkansas is compelling ahead of
a big super tuesday vote there. >> well, i'll give you the story. i was talking to a couple and i said, what do you think of donald trump, forgive me for asking, they laughed. and the husband said, i love him, we need a guy who understands how to operate a business in the white house. his wife said, i like what he's saying, i think he's strong, but i worry that he might upset somebody and we'll end up in a war. so that's the sort of, i think, the trump voter who's on the fence, is someone like rubio a safer choice, even though my heart's not really with him? but so far, he's been pulling in those undecided voters, tamron. >> luke, is thank you so much. great pleasure. we'll talk to you later from arkansas. let me bring in now rick tyler, the former cruz campaign director, you certainly might remember rick made headlines earlier in the week when he was fired from the cruz campaign over misleading video attacking marco rubio. so, rick, it's good to talk to
you this morning. >> good morning, tamron. >> i know you were on with chuck -- good to see you. you were on with chuck yesterday discussing some of the things that went on with the cruz campaign. i want to fast forward though to the reality of now. and you have donald trump on the ground in arkansas. luke russert had a brief interview with a couple. and you have a husband who's right there behind trump, from his words, and a wife who is a little more hesitant. and that's part of what is, if donald trump has a weakness right now, part of it. his temperament, some of the antics we saw in ft. worth, the throwing of the water, the comedy routine, and his problem with female voters, which could certainly surface if he's the party nominee. >> look, we've had an interesting 48 hours. i think that the christie endorsement is obviously sort of groundbreaking and game changing, and i think rubio's right in the sense that governor christie is an articulate given and he can throw devastating attacks, against rubio. but it also gives permission in
the establishment to begin to reject rubio and start to rally behind trump. and the governor has lots of deep connections in the political world and he was the chairman of the rga, so he's got a lot of access to donors. so, it's, it's going to be really interesting. but the thing i worry about, though -- >> let me push back on -- >> yeah? >> let me push back on some of it. and first of all, the idea that the establishment would now have permission. chris christie's a governor who's tried to play both sides of the lane here. on one side, he's the outsider, he's the tell-it-like-it-is. the other side, he's a party leader, a governor. so can you be an outsider and an insider at the same time? because that's what he's trying to present here. and by the way, it didn't help him in his presidential run, to get the donors or to move the numbers. >> that's right, but governor christie was going to be the tell-it-like-it-is candidate and unfortunately he got it usurped
by trump. so when he starts to criticize governor marco rubio, senator rubio, it can have a devastating effect. and christie is definitely seen as an establishment candidate, or was an establishment candidate. he's an establishment governor. and so, he provides a lot of cover for donald trump. he he makes him a little bit more acceptable to the establishment. and i think that's going to be troublesome for marco rubio. the problem with marco rubio was yesterday is that he's trying now to out-trump trump. the idea that he would talk about, you know, trump wetting his pants during the debate, look, that's -- it's really a sad state of affairs for a party when the politics of personal destruction has really returned. and it's not going to help our party in the general election. when it seems that the way to
victory is just to mock and insult your opponents. and i think it's a sad state of affairs. >> and a lot of republicans certainly agree with you, looking at the party and looking at the debate, chris wallace from fox news said it was an embarrassment. that's just one of the names out there associated with conservatives, who, even though he's a journalist, certainly with fox news headline there, that it's an embarrassment is an awakening in some ways. but when you're the tell-it-like-it-is candidate, and i'm referring to chris christie, at least how he presented himself, 18 days ago he was saying that a vote for donald trump was a vote for hillary clinton. he talked about some of donald trump's more bigoted comments, as they've been described regarding mexicans, and the controversial ban on muslims coming into this country and mass deportations, which chris christie is against as well. how can you be a tell it like it is, when 18 days ago, you were saying something else? again, going back to the plain speak of where we are, texas,
some people might say he's a phoney, and now marco rubio is fighting a quote/unquote con artist and a phoney who's now gotten on his coattails. >> well, that's the whole problem. look, chris christie was competing against donald trump, so, obviously, he wants to position himself as a winner. but the problem -- look, you're seeing, in a sense, the implosion of the republican party. the republican party, the republicans out there voted in a house majority, they got nothing for it. they voted in a senate majority, got nothing for it. and now, you know, we're told if we just give us a republican president, we'll get something for it. and the people have sort of arrived at the decision they don't believe that anymore. they're angry enough at washington to say, look, if donald trump is going to stick it to washington, we're going to send them donald trump. and that's what people say. so the challenge for rubio and for cruz is to prove that they could actually change washington. i think that cruz has made the better case for that. and if cruz is not engaged in the kind of, you know, really, the politics of personal destruction that senator rubio has. but, look, it's worrisome for
the party, because this is going to be drive up everybody's negatives. and when negatives are driven up, then hillary clinton, who we should be able to beat handedly, i would think, it's going to be very, it's going to be very difficult for the party to come together. >> it will be interesting, as well, and i'm out of time. we're out of time here. but you have two northeast republicans, many would say moderate republicans, and some might even in your party, the more strict in definition, have even called both of them liberals, now they are the face of your party going through the south. so it will be interesting to see how it all plays out. but rick, thank you so much for joining us. and i know you'll be joining us throughout the day. thanks a lot, buddy. >> appreciate it. let's talk about hillary clinton. and she's eyeing a potential landslide victory in south carolina, as democratic voters head to the polls in today's primary. as mentioned, the polls are open. they've been open for an hour now and the clinton is ridining
high on the strength of the african-american voters. can anything stop her momentum now? i'll talk with bernie sanders supporter, nina turner, one of our guests this morning. and bernie sanders is making a last-ditch play for texas ahead of super tuesday. we'll tell you what he has planned, not very far from where we are now. and i'll talk with former state senator, wendy davis, who's been traveling around the state for hillary clinton. we'll get her thoughts ton latest push from sanders and "the new york times" for hillary clinton to release her wall street transcripts. we'll be right back. ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪
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bernie sanders also seeking to prove that he can extend his reach beyond white voters. in one of their final attempts to get some of those voters out last night, the candidates crossed path at a fish try in orangeburg, south carolina. >> you know, it's easy during a campaign to come to south carolina or any place else and tell all the ideas you want to hear. you've got to look at the record. here's the record. i do not have a super pac. my opponent believes in the death penalty. i do not >> but i need your help tomorrow. i need your help in this primary, to be able to go out of south carolina, to go to those states that are holding their primaries is and caucuses on tuesday, so-called super tuesday. it would be a super sendoff to do well here. >> nbc's kristen welker has been following the clinton campaign. she's at a polling location in
columbia, south carolina. they're not expecting a record turnout there, kristen, and i actually think it's quite unfair to compare it to 2008. we know the dynamics that was happening with a potential first african-american president. with that said, we are, though, getting a look at strategy for hillary clinton, and whether or not she is looking past bernie sanders to the general election. >> well, to your first point, tamron, you're absolutely right. they're not expecting the same type of turnout we saw in 2008. that was a very different campaign, when you had the first african-american candidate for president. well, i should say, the first who was poised to win the nomination. secretary clinton, when you talk about strategy, she is not taking any of the votes for granted here in south carolina, despite the fact that she has a huge lead here, tamron. take a look at our latest poll. she leads senator sanders 60 to 32%. she's been aggressively campaigning here throughout the week, courting african-american voters. they are, of course, critical to
winning this state. they make up more than 50% of the democratic electorate here. meanwhile, senator sanders, when you talk about his strategy, his campaign insisting he's not giving up on this state. still, the reality is, tamron, he has spent much of this past week in super tuesday states. states like massachusetts, oklahoma, minnesota. remember, his home state of vermont also votes on super tuesday. he's expect to bring in a big win there. the challenge for sanders, the delegate count in those states, which are really less diverse than a state like south carolina, is much smaller. so even if he wins some of those states, it could be hard to catch up to secretary clinton. today, he'll be in texas, your neighborhood. he'll be in austin, steep challenge there as well, tamron. secretary clinton leading him 64-30% in texas. his goal right now, to try to close the gap with secretary clinton in a state like that, and here in south carolina, his campaign telling me, if they get within ten points of her here in
south carolina, that would give him some momentum heading into super tuesday. tamron? >> all right, kristen, thank you very much. and nina turner is a former ohio state senator he's a national surrogate for senator sanders' campaign. good to have you on this morning. i'm going to eventually owe you some coffee, because you wake up so often for us to talk. with that said here, let's look at the ground game. it seems is as if senator sanders threw in the towel in south carolina. he's headed to texas shortly for a big event, potential in his college town, a liberal blue dot in a red state. how do you explain what's happening there in south carolina? zblfd we >> well, tamron, he didn't throw in the towel. he was just here last night, he's been here several times. he knows every state counts and every vote counts. he has a big team here in south carolina and they're working hard. they've been working aggressively for a very long time. >> when you say he's worked
aggressively, i think back to the fact that we were at a brooklyn church, i believe it was last week, and senator sanders stopped by and there was video of him really, nina, trying to connect with some of the african-american churchgoers, trying to get his story out, and there seemed to be a barrier in getting that message. did you have that same observation? >> no, i haven't. and i've traveled, as you know, tamr tamron, with the senator all across the country. and i was not at that event. i'm not sure what was going on, what the dynamics were. but he is really connecting. he have at kaplan college yesterday, and he is connecting with the african-american community. but we've got to remember, again, he started off, where people really didn't believe he had a chance at all. he is closing the gap, all across the country. he has not been running for president since 2008. he threw his hat into this race. he does not -- he did not have a national profile up until this point. a senator from vermont, 95% of that population is white.
he cannot control the demographics, even though he has served honorably and continues to serve honorably. tamron, in many ways, he is still introducing himself to the people of this country and the african-american community, latino community, as well. but he is breaking ground. >> you know, i have to be honest with you, he said he's still introducing himself, i instantly thought of jay-z, allow me to introduce myself. but how many times can you introduce yourself? and is the clock against him at this point, when you look at the math, you look at her momentum, and you look at, let's be honest here, the african-american vote that is important in this region. he'll face it in mississippi, in texas, you know, in louisiana, and it's heavily favored to her. is senator sanders, at this point, nina, playing for a pivotal role in the convention? playing to make sure he has the ear of hillary clinton in a general election, to keep her honest on some of the issues that concern him, which would be ties to wall street for her and income inequality, which he has
successfully pushed her to talk about more on the campaign trail. >> tamron, he's running to win. i mean, they have the same amount of delegates. let's not talk about the super delegates. he's running to win. he's not running to push the secretary further to the left. he is running to win. and once the african-american community all across this nation continue to hear his message and his story and why he's fighting for them. he didn't just start doing this. he's not just saying this to appease this person or that person. this has been his life's story, from the beginning. they start to connect. you know, i talked to young lady yesterday and i asked her, why are you feeling the burn? a young african-american woman. she said, i believe that senator sanders is our last best hope. when we think about income inequality in this country. when we think about folks that still need health care in this country, that is resonating with people. he's not just running for laughs, he is running to become the next president of the united states of america and i believe and know that he can do this. >> where's his next big win?
where does he shake up the room? where does he, you know, get the attention again on his momentum? >> i think he's shaking up the room everywhere he goes, tamron. think about where he has started -- >> but where's the next big win? >> he's shaking it up. i mean, we know that the super tuesday states are coming up. we have oklahoma, minnesota. i mean, he's going to do well in a lot of those super tuesday states. and then beyond super tuesday, on march 15th, in states like my state, the very pivotal state, the state of ohio, i believe he will take my state as well. and although i can't predict, the voters have to make that decision, but he is making his case and he's traveling across this country and he will do very well. >> all right. former ohio state senator, nina turner, a woman i owe a lot of coffee to for being so gracious to get up with us and talk to us. >> i'm looking forward to that coffee. >> we appreciate you taking the heat and facing the fire. thank you so much. >> thank you. thank you.
>> and hillary clinton tries to hold on to texas, but as we mentioned, bernie sanders will make a stop in the state later today. and a pretty well-known location. we'll tell you a little bit more about senator sanders and his stop. but we'll also speak with clinton supporter, wendy davis next. she's been campaigning for hillary clinton across the state. and one of the questions right now, why do black lives matter protesters continue to hold hillary clinton's feet to the fire? well, comedian and commentary person, bill maher, had a few choice words for the protesters who confronted hillary clinton in this video. >> let's talk about hollywood and hillary and racism. because as we all know, racism's epicenter is the oscars and hillary clinton. oh, wait, that's crazy. >> i'll speak with that protester, ashleigh williams. a hot interview you don't want to miss this morning. we'll be right back.
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hillary clinton's bid to become the nation's first female president has been a hard-fought battle for the female vote. it's a struggle she had up until nevada, when she secured 55% of that female vote in the state. now, the momentum continues here in texas, where she leads bernie sanders 75-19 in demographics. she may owe that in large part to the steady stream of high-profile operatives stumping on her behalf in texas. they include actress america fr frarra, michelle kwan, and madeleine albright, who infamously said, there's a special place in hell for women who don't support each other. this cycle it takes a different meaning when she says it. and former state senator wendy davis is a surrogate and she joins me now from denver, colorado. you need to be here in texas with me, but nevertheless, i know you're on the road. let's talk about hillary clinton, secretary clinton's ground game at this point.
it looks as if it's going to be a big day for her in east coaso carolina. what do you see as the message going forward to super tuesday? >> i think the message is all in hillary clinton's favor right now. the momentum is with her. i said back in new hampshire that that was where the momentum for bernie sanders was going to start and stop. and i believe that. south carolina is going to be a tremendously important state to show her continuing momentum that began or re-started, again, i guess, in nevada. and we expect to see that rolling all the way through super tuesday. >> let's talk about the big headline, or one of them, anyway, this week, of course. bernie sanders following "the new york times" and its team, calling on secretary clinton to release the wall street transcripts. we know that she's repeatedly said, i will release the transcripts from my speeches when others release theirs. and that would be more applicable in a general election with a gop candidate, perhaps.
because bernie sanders says he's not given speeches to wall street. where do you believe or where should this go at this point? >> you know, i think bernie sanders, obviously, is showing some level of desperation right now. he knows that voters in the states that these elections are upcoming are very connected to hillary clinton and he's trying to move their attention to something else. but i will tell you, my experience in texas, and i see it in the south, and i see it in many of the other super tuesday states that i am traveling in, people have a long and strong memory of the work that hillary clinton has done. she doesn't need to introduce herself, as you were talking about, with senator turner, previously, about senator sanders. she, instead, has demonstrated a very long record, working on voting rights, working on criminal justice reforms, working on women's reproductive rights. and in the south, particularly,
where we have felt the incredible aggressive movement of the republican party against each of these arenas and against our rights, we're particularly sensitive to wanting someone who we know has a record of fighting for us on those things and who's going to go into the white house and be our champion. and that person is hillary clinton. >> let's fast forward, potentially, here, if the gop nominee is donald trump, with already some of the flaws we are seeing presented with his potential candidacy, you have some conservative super pacs up with ads right now, and i think we can just show some of the video, going after hillary clinton on this wall street transcript issue. in a general election, does she open herself up, when you see a headline, why won't clinton release this, pairing that, we know, there's been another release of e-mails this friday and we're expecting one more.
no big bombshell at this point, but does it build up the momentum for any gop nominee to keep hitting her at -- as seen as weaknesses, even within her own party, as it relates to trustworthiness? >> i think that they like bernie sanders. understand, hillary clinton is going to win the democratic nomination. and they are trying to throw whatever they can, in hopes that something is going to stick. but let's look at the last 48 hours. let's look at the way the republican presidential candidates have been conducting themselves. hillary clinton is the only person in this field of presidential aspirants, who has demonstrated that she is presidential. she continues to talk about the issues that really matter to americans, and these are the things that people want to hear, a conversation about going into the general election, as we come
out of these primary electoral contests. they want to know that they have a president who's going to have their back, who's going to be facing this issue of income inequality that's been talked a lot about, on the democratic primary side. they know that hillary clinton actually has the plan to reign in wall street, that's received the kind of attention from economists that it's received, and from people like former senator barney frank, who has quiet an incredible record on that issue. they want to see that they're going to have someone who's going to pay attention to the high costs of education and making it affordable for their children and they want to know, we women want to know, that we've got a champion in the white house, who understands what it means to be facing the kinds of challenges in the workplace that women face today. we want to be paid equally. we want family time, so we can take care of our families and not be threatened with losing our jobs.
and we want this assault on our reproductive rights to stop. those are the things that hillary's talking about. and this is why she's going to have the appeal that she's going -- that she has right now, and she'll continue to have it throughout general election. >> we know, in the end, some of the political rhetoric can be dialed back, when you see, now, chris christie and donald trump on the same stage, after christie said a vote for trump would be a vote for hillary clinton. so we know edges can be smoothed out. but when i hear surrogates, endorser of hillary clinton referred to bernie sanders as desperate, and some of the other things that have come out, as you just noted, as well, you feel his campaign is getting a little desperate, is there any worry that some of the enthusiasm, some of the thousands of kids who will show up to see him in austin, where you are based, as well, that they may not come into the fold after a tough, long battle, potentially, between bernie sanders and hillary clinton? >> look, first and foremost, i want to say that i think anytime young people are getting
involved and getting excited and enthusiastic in a campaign, it should be celebrated and it should be encouraged. and i'm delighted to see that so many young people have stepped up, engaged in, and are paying attention to what's going on in this campaign. i believe at the end of the day, that that will transfer to the extent that any of it isn't there right now for hillary clinton, to her when she becomes the nominee. first of all, i speak to young women all over this country, who are very, very excited about hillary clinton. and i think, as we go into the general election, she is going to carry with her those same young people, who are concerned about making sure they can afford their college, that are worried about the college debt, that are worried about the fact that they're going to face an economic climate that isn't going to provide a job for them. looking between these two candidates that they'll face in the general election, they'll know that hillary's the one who has their back. and i feel confident their
support will be there for her. >> all right. thank you so much. it's a great pleasure, always, to talk to you. former democratic state senator, wendy davis, thank you. and we're going to continue the live coverage here from guerrero's taco bar, where they're about to open. i think people will be joining us. yes, i've already had a taco this morning. and the battle for the white house rages on, and the stakes are very high as we approach super tuesday, after that fiery week, the gop candidates are hitting the ground running. jam-packed days for the gop candidates, as they are spread throughout the south from texas to tennessee. donald trump making an appearance in arkansas, where he is trailing ted cruz. and also, stopping in tennessee. marco rubio will also be in arkansas, later tonight, after stopping in georgia and alabama on the trail. and rubio continues to remind voters why trump, he says, is not the president this country needs. >> you all have friends, you all have friends that are thinking about voting for donald trump.
friends do not let friends vote for con artists. >> okay, now this all comes down to texas, for senator ted cruz, whose maine super pac is making a last-minute push for a multi-million dollar ad campaign stretching across radio, tv, and digital world in the ever-coveted s.e.c. state set to vote on tuesday. but it will be enough to topple trump? nbc's jacob soboroff is at the historic ft. worth stockyards, where i spent many days as a child in ft. worth, and he's been talking to some voters who seem to be going against their state. before you talk about what you heard, it's an interesting dynamic, to be sure. ft. worth stockyard, imagine a teeny, teeny, teeny version of new york's times square with a bunch of cows. you do get visitors from other parts of the country and the world and you get a lot of small shop owners and people who work
in some of the touristy sites in the stockyards. >> reporter: that's exactly how it feels, tamron. it is the times square, i guess, of ft. worth. and last night, we went to the stockyards championship rodeo. i don't know what the times square equivalent of that would be, a broadway show or something. and we talked to people about exactly what you just mentioned. you would think that people here would be supporting their hometown guy, the senator from the great state of texas, but there's a lot of donald trump support out there. if you look at ft. worth and tarrant county where we're in right now, it's an amazing thing for election geeks like me to look at. because it has been a microcosm of the texas electorate as a whole. in 2008 and 2012, it almost exactly mirrored the results, the statewide results of what happened here in tarrant county. so it's a hugely important place for this coming tuesday. i talked to one gentleman who brought his mother out to the rodeo last night about who he's thinking for voting for. take a look. >> voting for trump, probably, honestly. i think he's probably the best bet right now as far as all the candidates right now. he seems to be the best one out
there. >> what about ted cruz, the hometown senator? >> yeah, i don't really see cruz doing anything positive. >> reporter: being out at the rodeo was an incredible thing to see, and the common thread, while i was talking to people out there, and talking politics at a rodeo i think was a first for me, that's for sure. is that donald trump is somebody who people are giving a close look at. i talked to a mexican american voter and she said she was looking at trump. i talked to a local businessman and he was looking at trump. i don't think that's something that ted cruz wants to hear, just a couple of days before the election here in his home state, tamron. >> all right, jacob soboroff in one of my favorite places in the world, ft. worth, texas. thank you. and with me now is chief political writer for the "austin american-statesman," jonathan thty love, and washington bureau chief for the american radio networks, april ryan. thank you both for joining us. let me start here in texas, april, with jonathan. when you're looking at the
polls, just the average right now, ted cruz is ahead. >> in texas. >> in the state of texas, of course. but the reality is, he was lost in the battle yesterday to get some headlines. between marco rubio's victory lap and then donald trump's headlines with chris christie, ted cruz was lost. he tried to hold a news conference, it was from benghazi to trump. what does he do now? >> for the purposes of texas, i think that was fine. because i think he's ahead here and having rubio and trump duke it out is okay, because it diminishes both of them. and he maintains his first place here. in the rest of the s.e.c., it may be a problem, because people are not thinking about him. and that's where he really has to prove himself, even if he wins texas, unless he comes up with a real strong showing in some of these other states, especially the other southern states, people are going to say, okay, now what? >> where could he possibly show up strong? listen, a lot of his campaign in the beginning, anyway, was based on evangelicals.
they've left him, state after state, so far. maybe not in texas, but we saw it in south carolina. we saw it in iowa, with the battle there, even though he won, it was tight. >> yeah, i don't know that they've left him, but they've certainly come to trump in ways that no one could have predicted. i think right now his best chances are in arkansas and alaska. now, i don't think winning alaska is going to -- >> give him the math that he needs. >> right. >> and arkansas would be nice, but, you know, it's tough. i'm not sure that he's going to come out with any other first places on tuesday. >> april, let me bring you in. you have many people who say, within the republican party, that it is over. that it is now trump's, and this goes down to a contested convention, if this is to change the dynamics of the gop. what do you think here? >> well, you've got a lot of people in the republican party and the democratic party, i mean, last week i talked to a republican strategist who said, it's basically over. it's going to be trump and
hillary. the republican party within the high ranks of the republican party, they are very concerned about this. and i talked to some high-ranking officials in the last couple of weeks, and they don't like the rhetoric that donald trump still continues to have. >> i have no idea what just happened. april just disappeared and donald trump popped up in replacement of her by some strange thing that's going on here. we're going to go to a break, i guess. we've lost her shot, i'm being told now. jonathan, thank you so much for joining us. >> sure. >> and please forgive the technical difficulty we've just run into. again, we apologize to april ryan, as well. up next, though, the black lives matter protester who confronted hillary clinton in that video now that's made the rounds, it's gone viral. now, bill maher from "realtime" is reacting to black lives matters protesters. what he believes they are doing wrong.
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that's huge for my bottom line. what's in your wallet? man, i had five children and we told each of them that on their 18th birthday, their gift to us was to go register to vote. >> and did they? >> oh, yes. oh, yes. that was before any celebration. >> mandatory. >> yeah. >> you have to see that. >> that beautiful woman is one of the more than 30 people who voted at an orangeberg polling station in south carolina just in the last hour. polls don't close until 7:00 p.m. that's a long night, load up on your coffee. 59 delegates and 6 superdelegates at stake and a small fraction of the 2,383
democratic delegates need to win the democratic nomination. now, the african-american vote certainly will be crucial for the win. hillary clinton heads into the race with the advantage, but just days before this happened. >> you owe black people an apology. you owe color of people an apology. >> i'll tell you what, if you will give me a chance to talk, i'll approach your -- you know what? nobody's ever asked me before. you're the first person to ask me and i'm happy to address it, but you are the first person to ask me, dear. >> a young protester named ashley williams confronted hillary clinton over the words she used more than 20 years ago, when she was advocating for a landmark crime bill, which was signed by her husband, then president bill clinton. here's what clinton said at the time. >> we need to take these people on, they are often connected to big drug cartels, they are not just gangs of kids anymore. they are often the kinds of kids
that are called super predators. no conscience, no empveryon emp. we can talk about how they ended up that way, but first we have to bring them to heal. >> ashley williams joins me now from charlotte, north carolina. ashley, thank you so much for joining me. >> thanks for having me, tamron. >> let's just -- before we talk about the moment itself, i'll talk about just quickly here some of the backlash. i can't tell you how many supporters of hillary clinton have sent me pictures of you with cornel west, who claim that you're an operative, you're this, you're that, you're working on behalf of the sanders' campaign and all kinds of others. were you sent there on behalf of any campaign? >> no, tamron, and i think it's kind of insulting that me as a young black voter can't have enough agency and ideas of my own to bring forth concerns that i have, that come from my own community. >> and so tell me how you were able to get into this event. and really, what was your message?
what did you want to hear from secretary clinton? >> i got into the event just like anyone else who attended. there were paid tickets. i wanted hillary to apologize to black people for mass incarceration. i wanted to hear from her. i wanted her to acknowledge that she understands the ways in which the policies that she's supported are the reasons why people's sons, daughters, mothers, and coworkers are removed from communities. and i wanted her to understand that we're still feeling those things today. >> and hillary clinton responded later saying, looking back, i should not have used those words. i would not use them today. you have others who say, listen, you're taking on hillary clinton, but what about the fight with bernie sanders, who also supported crime bill, who also has a shaky record when it comes to gun legislation, which we know plagues america, but also, urban communities as well. have you focused your attention, as well, on senator sanders? >> tamron, let's be honest here. so if it wasn't for organizers
and activists, on behalf of the movement for black lives, none of these candidates would have legitimate racial justice platforms. so i think that it's important to remember that, you know, the movement for black lives and organizers and activists around the country and around the world have been advocate for people to look at these records, have been advocating for people to critically engage these candidates. and so that's why the action was so important. i wanted hillary clinton to explain her own words. >> i want to play what bill maher said on his hbo program last night, regarding the -- what he sees as the bigger picture here. let's play it. >> does this person realize that donald trump in south carolina, 20% of the voters who voted for donald trump disagree with the emancipation proclamation? and this is who you're going after? this is where we start the battle, you [ bleep ] idiots. people need to learn the difference between an imperfect
friend and a deadly enemy. >> no doubt. >> you want to tear hillary clinton down? great. then enjoy president trump. >> let me get you to respond to that, ashley. >> tamron, i would just like to say that, you know, we have been working really hard to press all of these candidates on these things, and actions like these are so important, a guest that you had previously on the show mentioned that she was excited that young people were getting engaged and excited. but not only are young people getting engaged and excited, we're taking a critical look. so it's not enough to just be excited about what's going on, but it's time for us to look critically at these records and at the things that candidates have not only said, but policies that they've supported. and i think that that's why the action -- >> but do you think it's unfair -- >> was so important on wednesday. >> we're almost out of time. but to the heart of what bill maher, i think, was trying to say here is that somehow going
after hillary clinton enables and empowers a donald trump, potentially, in a general election. do you see that as equivalent, at all, in any way? >> no. i think that what's important to remember here is that we need to be engaged critically. and sometimes that means going after people's records and things that they've said. >> which is an excellent point here, as if to say, from his comments, that you cannot take on the record of hillary clinton or any democrat for fear of, perhaps, the more menacing, the more evil candidate, if that's how you see donald trump getting in. going back again to this argument, that somehow you cannot challenge her, does that in any way impact how you will continue forward? will you continue to challenge hillary clinton? will you try to get into other events? are you backing off in any way? >> tamron, we cannot continue to pretend that hillary clinton wasn't involved in laying the foundation for mass
incarceration in our society. so in that sense, i'm going to continue to hold her accountable. i'm going to continue to ask for an apology, on behalf of black communities and other communities of color for mass incarceration. >> what about bernie sanders? again, going back to the crime bill and bernie sanders and where he has stood. right now he's not making any inroads with african-american voters. hillary clinton says he's a single-issue candidate here, because he cannot bring the message of income equality on a larger level that relates to people who are black and brown. how do you hold bernie sanders' feet to the fire as well. they're both looking for the democratic nomination, which means they are looking for your vote, they are looking for the black vote. >> tamron, i mentioned before that it's because of the work of the movement for black lives, that any of these candidates have a racial justice platform that we can think about today. and i would like to just remember those actions and remember those organizers, who are holding all candidate's feet to the fire. and we've seen that last year and this year too.
>> all right, ashley, thank you so much for joining us. great pleasure having you on. i know that you've been the focus of a lot of attacks and you are standing your ground and making your voice heard, whether they like it or not. >> thanks for having me. >> that does it for -- of course. that does it for this hour. i'm tamron hall live in austin. we will be back here -- i will, what time, carrie? 2:00 eastern time. it's sad i have to have someone tell me what time i come to work. thank you for your patience this hour. thank you to the team in new york. ari melber is next in columbia, south carolina, and i'll be back here one more time, 2:00 p.m. eastern time. and today at 1:00 p.m., chris jansing hits the road, super tuesday. it's the country music capital of the world, nashville, tennessee. be sure to stay tuned. (patrick 1) what's it like to be the boss of you? (patrick 2) pretty gre. (patrick 1) how about a 10% raise? (patrick 2) how about 20? (patrick 1) how about done? (patrick 2) that's the kind of control i like... ...and that's what they give me at national car rental. i can choose any car in the aisle i want-
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palmetto state. good morning, everyone. i am ari melber right here in columbia, south carolina. folks already pouring in behind us. bernie sanders and hillary clinton facing off in this first in the south primary right now. and while their particular story line might hold less suspense than politicos today, the race holding a lot of drama and spectacle. the battle for gop supremacy reduced to these personal attacks and sniping between the so-called front-runners. here's just a snapshot. >> what we are dealing with here, my friends, is a con artist. he is a con artist. >> you get low-lifes, like a guy like rubio, saying horrible things, horrible things. and who needs it? really, who needs it? this is a low-life. >> i'm endorsing the person i believe is the best person to defeat hillary clinton and restore american jobs, store american prestige around the world. and store the faith and confidence of the american people again. >> donald probably needs a
lifeline after last night, so he called in chris christie. i respect that. i have more than my fair share of endorsements. >> let's talk about our lightweight senator from florida who's losing big in the polls. >> you all have friends who are thinking about voting for donald trump, friends do not let friends vote for con artists. guys, we have a con artist as the front-runner in the republican party. >> that is just a portion of it. over the next hour, you'll hear more of that name calling and analysis of who actually holds a path to the nomination as the paths narrow on the republican side. also, new today, i visited a gun range right here in south carolina and i found a lot of democrats. we're going to hear directly from those voters on the second amendment, what they want from sanders and clinton, what sometimes thought of as a conservative issue, and where they draw the line on gun control. all that's right here, the place for politics.
>> now, let's be clear, in south carolina, there is no doubt what the headline is. this is a critical vote today for the democrats, but, that is clearly being bumped said in some of the national discussion by the devastating and at times, very clearly ugly back and forth between those republican front-runners. trump and his rivals resuming that bitter feud today, and they're making their final pitches in those crucial super tuesday states. events come a day after what was a bombshell endorsement by any standard, former presidential contender, chris christie, going out for trump and that war of words that it sparked what has gotten very personal, very fast. >> these are two desperate people. they're desperate. you know, the one guy in florida, he's down 20 points. rubio. and i'll tell you what, they hate him in florida. they hate him. >> this is a guy who portrays himself as a tough guy. he's not a tough guy. this is a guy who inherited $200
million. and had it not been for that, he would be selling watches in times square. >> we don't have a fact check on whether they hate him in florida, but the new national online poll from nbc news and survey monkey, you can see trump leading followed by rubio at 21d cruz at 19. sanders and clinton doing double duty. they have their final pitches to south carolina voters where we are, but they're also looking past this primary towards super tuesday states. now, that marist poll with "wall street journal" came out of the palmetto state still had clinton with that whopping 28-point lead. over in texas, where the most delegates are at stake, just coming on tuesday, clinton leads sanders by 34 points. the online poll conducted by nbc and survey monkey shows clinton beating sanders by 11 points, among democrats. that's across the country. national numbers. now, we've seen several reports this morning about all of this. we're going to have the latest in both races. we have nbc's luke russert in bentonville, arkansas, over with trump.
nbc's jacob soboroff with the rodeo in texas with voters ahead of super tuesday. hallie jackson in nashville, tennessee, where their cruz campaign. and nbc's jacob rascon with me here in south carolina, following the primary voting as it happens. now, we're going to begin with nbc's kristen welker, also in columbia, south carolina, with hillary clinton. what do you have at the polling places? >> hey, ari, there has been a steady stream of voters coming here to weigh in since this polling place in columbia opened up at 7:00 a.m. this morning. secretary clinton, as you pointed out, has a huge lead here in the palmetto state. a double-digit lead. our latest poll showing her topping senator sanders, 60-32%. her campaign telling me she's not taking any of these votes for granted. she's been campaigning here throughout the week, courting african-american voters. they are expected to make up more than 50% of the democratic electorate here. their key to winning this state, this is a real test for senator
sanders, testing his ability to reach out to and win over african-american voters. he's hoping to close the gap today, ari. if he gets within ten points of secretary clinton, his campaign is going to see that as a win. his campaign saying, look, he hasn't given up on the palmetto state, but the reality is, he has spent much of this past week campaigning in super tuesday states, states where the race is closer, where the electorate is less diverse. states like massachusetts, oklahoma, minnesota. in fact, he's going to be in minnesota for those returns later on this evening. the challenge, though, ari, for senator sanders, the delegate count in those states, not as high as some of the states where secretary clinton has a big lead. states like texas, for example, where she leads by 62-30%. this is a critical state and if secretary clinton does win by big margins, it could give her big momentum heading into super tuesday.
ari? >> thanks, kristen. that's what a lot of people, of course, are gearing up for right here. i want to go to hallie jackson, who as i mentioned, is in nashville with trump/rubio drama. hallie, you can't really write the move script for this. you have to wait for when it happens. and some americans are turned off by this kind of rhetoric. others say, finally, at least they're being honest. what are you seeing out there? >> reporter: i think everyone can agree, it's been a wild race so far. and it keeps taking these twists and turns like with that christie endorsement. you look online today, look on twitter, there's a hashtag trending, #nevertrump. it's being pushed by people who do not support the republican front-runner, but as you know, donald trump is making headlines for that big name who is backing him, chris christie, who's taking on this kind of new role as an attack dog. together today on air trump, they're taking it on tour. chris christie now out of the race but back in the spotlight,
as an attack dog for donald trump >> marco rubio, your campaign is almost over, buddy. showing a lot of zpras today. >> the new jersey governor's endorsement of the new york billionaire sending shock waves through the republican race. >> happy to be on the trump team, and i look forward to working with him. >> reporter: but just last month, he was calling out carnival barkers. >> showtime is over, everybody. we are not electing an entertainer ein chief. >> reporter: trump hoping christie can help him stay ahead of ted cruz and marco rubio. >> these are two desperate people. >> reporter: saving his most mocking moments for the florida senator. >> last night i saw him backstage with makeup where he's taking it with a trowel and putting it on. he was soaking wet. and he was out here, and you know, i only say it because, honestly, this is not a presidential guy. >> rubio firing back. >> look, chris is an articulate guy. donald probably needs a lifeline after last night, so he called in chris christie. >> he's on offense now, at times almost gleefully.
>> so he had this little makeup thing, applying like makeup around his mustache, because he had one of those sweat mustaches. he wanted a full-length mirror. maybe to make sure his pants weren't wet, i don't know. >> reporter: nbc news now reporting the super pac supporting rubio is spending more than $5 million on ads attacking trump, with super tuesday just three days away. where trump looks ready to roll. rubio hoping his new aggressive attitude isn't coming too late to take trump down. >> you all have friends that are thinking about voting for donald trump. friends do not let friends vote for con artists. >> reporter: tough words from marco rubio, tough words from chris christie, ari. and christie's endorsement of trump is triggering some speculation that maybe he's angling for a spot in a potential trump white house, perhaps vice president, perhaps attorney general, christie insists that when his term as new jersey governor is up, he plans to go into a private law practice, and as he says, ari,
make money like trump. >> if only all of us could aspire to such heights. i'm going to be careful not to sweat at any trump event. that's clearly a no-no. thank you very much, as always, hallie jackson. with me here in columbia, south carolina, andy shayne, political reporter for the newspaper "the state," a longtime expert here, and franchesca chambers, white house correspondent for dailymail.com. good morning. >> good morning. >> election day. everyone says hillary clinton has this big lead. so in the national conventional wisdom, who cares, it's all an expectations game. in the actual race for delegates and the question over how do you build a diverse democratic constituency, she does seem to be doing well in a way here that matters, regardless of how it's handicapped. >> exactly, she's doing well among african-american voters, which has been noted numerous times. african-american voters make up the bulk of democratic voters in the state of south carolina, propelled barack obama in 2008. looks like it's going to propel hillary clinton today.
she has a two to one lead among african-americans and it's basically because she built that relationship that she started in 2008, even if they weren't for her, she was able to go back to them and say, this time, please be with me. >> and the political argument, franchesca, is sometimes her and bernie are in a dead heat, as we've seen in some states. >> and which is not happening here. >> her folks are saying, we'll hear from them throughout the day, but her folks are saying, sometimes it's a dead heat and sometimes we trounce bernie sanders. the numbers here, 14% he has in the clemson poll. 32% on nbc and 37 for emerson. and you see two to one. a real problem. 64-14, even if it's an outlier, is not where you want to be. so clinton campaign says, sometimes we tie, sometimes we win big, add it all together, we're going to be the nominee. >> they're going to win big today. those polls are showing something we've seen for months here. that's why bernie sanders has left the state already. he gave up and said, i can't win here, i'm going to go some places where i think i can still
win. he's in texas today, then goes to minnesota. he spent most of the week outside of south carolina, in some of these other states, as well, that he thinks he might do better in. >> because he had to, or because he wanted to show that there is a lot more going on than just this state? >> i think it was a smart strategy. i mean, if you know that you cannot win this state, and again, he has to be able to win some of those states to be able to stay in this race, it's a smart strategy to go there instead and try to rally those supporters before super tuesday. >> andy, when you talk to a lot of the pundits, it's all about some of what we just saw. oh, my god, i can't believe rubio said that, but did you hear what trump said? it gets high school cafeteria very quickly. but when you talk to voters, a lot of issues are important around here. a lot of interest in guns, in jobs and the economy, in what we might call civil rights or diversity issues, which hillary has been campaigning hard on. do you think as a longtime observer of this state that there are certain issues, organic or central to south carolina, that are different? and how has this democratic primary sharpened them?
>> i think we're fairly similar to the rest of the country when it comes to the democratics at this point. >> you think it's similar? >> it's similar. it's economy. we're in a state with a lot of manufacturing. a lot of jobs that don't really pay -- excuse me, income isn't as high as it is in the rest of the country. >> poverty rate's higher here. >> exactly. poverty rate's higher here. and the recovery hasn't really bolstered paychecks as much as people would like. >> or people say, we hear from voters, yeah, there may be a recovery for richer people, but we're not feeling the recovery. so whatever the recovery is, the overall unemployment numbers, which are better, even the white house, the democratic white house is emphasizing that, they're saying, we don't feel it. >> right. and they think secretary clinton is the one who can help to fix the economy. they're really not buying at this point senator sanders' proposals that he can really put everything together. they think it's -- >> does it surprise you that it's self-identified democratic socialists as even doing this well in south carolina? >> again, just like any part of the party, i think you're talking about the third of the
party that's fairly progressive. they're going for bernie. they may have other issues with secretary clinton. so i'm not really surprised. >> because that's the other thing about bernie sanders. if you would have told people a year ago that he was going to have a third of south carolina, that would have been good. it's never good enough, we're like tough parents in the press. franchesca,looking at the republican side and the chris christie moment, this seems significant. wether or not you like donald trump, this turning point for a guy who always had the money, the only candidate who doesn't have to fundraise, who always had the media, people rightly point out that he gets more press than others. what he was missing was the notion of the establishment, his competitors. what would that look like? and here you have chris christie coming out yesterday, and giving people a template for what that coalescing might look like. >> and mike huckabee's daughter also went to work for donald trump, now people getting in line behind him. but i wasn't very surprised by chris christie lining up behind him. before he got out of the race, his whole entire thing was sink marco rubio. so getting behind donald trump
is a logical strategy to keep hammering marco rubio. >> do you think he personally dislikes marco rubio? >> i don't think it's a personal dislike -- >> that was a joke question. he does personally dislike marco rubio. >> i think it's about having been a governor and having led a state and marco rubio having been in the senate, been in his state legislature, as he's hammered him repeatedly -- >> there's something going on. >> and i think for chris christie, what he likes about donald trump is he's led a business. >> you just very articulately pointed out the reasons why, the justifications. from watching this race, even before you get to the reasons, there seems to be something deeper between these two men. >> i don't want to put any motives behind what chris christie is trying to do here, other than, again, what you can lay out on paper, what he's been saying in the race so far. >> it's the experience factor. that is really where chris christie has hammered marco rubio. we've already had a one-term senator in the white house for eight years. do we want this again? i've run a state, i've been a ceo of a state for going on eight years and --
>> there is a little problem with that. which is, he just endorsed someone with less public service experience than marco rubio. >> well, i think what he's looking at is life experience. business. >> yeah, he's ran a major business before. again, marco rubio hasn't led anything. his argument. so that's why he's getting rid of donald trump. >> do either of you care to weigh in on the sweat issue. >> um, you know, being in south carolina, there's a lot of sweating that goes on here. and, you know, i don't think it's -- you know, it's part of that junior high school argument that people, again, they're worried about the economy, they're worried about gun issues, they're worried about national security. i don't think we need to have a lot of arguments over how much people sweat. >> i will say, however, that marco rubio, going after donald trump, is something that he absolutely had to do in this race, to be able to stay in and there show he's a fighter and show he would be able to fight hillary clinton for the nomination. from his standpoint, going after donald trump like that, good idea. >> and going after him in a trumpian way. so, the discourse is devolving and we'll see how republican
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of that. >> the latest poll in texas shows senator ted cruz in the lead there in his home state by 15 points. with 155 delegates at stake, a win there could blunt what donald trump has currently been doing, stacking up a delegate lead. nbc's jacob soboroff is in ft. worth, texas. jacob, you went out to a rodeo. what did people say about their favorite candidates? >> a lot of trump supporters out at the rodeo last night, stockyard championship rodeo here in ft. worth, in the historic stockyard district. it's really interesting that cruz isn't showing up here for a little bit. because he does, as we know, as we've seen in these polls, have a lead. but when you talk to people here, there's a lot of early voting as well going on. there are a lot of people who are leaning towards trump, as i found out when i showed up at the rodeo last night. here's what i have to say. >> who are you leaning towards? >> right now i'm still leaning towards trump. >> donald trump, huh? >> yes, sir. >> over your hometown guy, ted cruz? >> yeah, i've been a businessman
for 25 years, and i think washington needs somebody to take care of business. >> yeah, i don't really see cruz doing anything positive. i know there's a lot of talk about donald trump not doing a whole lot of things, but i think he's going to do a lot of positive things. >> if i had to pick right now, dra ted cruz. >> ted cruz, hometown senator? >> not only that, but he called trump out and made valid points. >> i would love to go for cruz, but because the polls are in trump's favorite right now, i would choose for the winner. >> reporter: i doubt that ted cruz is particularly happy hearing those folks in the rodeo last night, ari. and especially because tarrant county, where we are right now, where ft. worth is, is essentially a microcosm of the state at large. he won here handedly in 2012. and if you look at the results, barack obama, mitt romney, mitt romney, john mccain, their results mirrored exactly what happened here in this county in 2008 and in 2012. so, you know, it's only a matter of time now, a couple of days left here in the race. and ted cruz has got to be
watching this area very, very closely. >> jacob soboroff, thank you very much. >> well, you people, you do like your guns, don't you? >> donald trump talking guns in oklahoma last night. so, here in south carolina, the second amendment is a big issue a well. there is a gun in 40% of the homes here, that includes a lot of democrats. coming up, we'll talk about how it plays in the race for the white house in today's democratic primary. stay tuned. this is msnbc, the place for politics, live from columbia, south carolina. (man) hmm. what do you think? ♪
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>> ted cruz speaking with reporters last night about the recent call for trump's taxes. cruz and rubio say they'll release their tax returns this weekend. it's a busy time for ted cruz. he's making four campaign stops in three super tuesday states today. georgia, alabama, and arkansas. for more on this, we go right to the cruz campaign itself, ron narrowing, california chairmanman for ted cruz. good morning to you. the question, did ted cruz wait too long to get this tough with donald trump? >> oh, i think that ted cruz has been taking it to donald trump for some time, if you've been watching the debates here. what i think is really extraordinary about donald trump is that he continues to just get weirder and weirder with the things that he says, the closer that ted cruz comes to him in terms of the national polls and the like. look, ted cruz is going to win in the state of texas, where he'll do extremely well on super tuesday, and we're looking forward to that. but donald trump, he knows that he's in big trouble. and you know, even in the
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welcome back to msnbc, the place for politics if we are live right here at the liberty tap room in columbia, south carolina, for today's democratic presidential primary. i am ari melber. today is south carolina, and on to the biggest prize yet, super tuesday. the republican candidates for president scattered across the south today. any candidate not named donald trump trying to derail that front-runner. >> i will never stop until we keep a con man from taking over the party of reagan and the conservative movement. >> the only campaign that has beaten donald trump and that i believe can beat donald trump is our campaign. >> how do you beat a sitting senator in florida? how do you beat a sitting senator in texas? they could have an embarrassing
time! >> the democrats right here in south carolina go to the polls, bernie sanders campaigning in super tuesday states. hillary clinton won't be here until this evening to watch what is widely expected, at least according to polls, to be her third victory and her largest. now we go to orangeburg, south carolina, and one of the polling locations there, where nbc's jacob rascon is reporting. how's it look, jacob? >> this is brookedale -- it's brookedale elementary school. it's been a steady stream of people, in fact, we've had more than 100 people come and vote, and for some perspective, that's more people than voted all day during the republican primary. this is, of course, a heavily democratic area. we expect a lot of traffic and this is an area, and of course, in south carolina in general, that hillary clinton lost badly in 2008. a big test to see if she can come back with that wide lead. we've talked to many people as they've came in about why they felt it was so important to come today. here's what a few of them said.
>> i remember my grandfather and my mother, talking about how much they wanted to vote and how happy my mother was when she could vote. >> well, when i turned 18, i registered to vote. i always felt like my ancestors, my forefathers fought for the right for me to vote, so i need to vote in every election, no matter how big or how small. >> and of course, here they are. there are three stations, they put a little device called the prb, each has a memory card and at 7:00, those are carried over to the county and we get the votes as fast as we can. ari? >> thank you very much. we'll be watching that all day. now, we are live here in south carolina, where democrats are voting, in a race for hillary clinton's closing argument has focused on gun violence. her ads cite the charleston shooting and this week she campaigned with mothers and victims of gun violence.
south carolina voters used their second amendment rights, 45% of households have guns. the 17th highest rate in the nation. now, we just went to one of the state's largest gun ranges, the palmetto state armory, where a tribute to justice antonin scalia's second amendment rulings was displayed at the entry. we asked people who were voting in this democratic primary about why guns are important to them. >> i come here to shoot my guns. i use them for work and use them for pleasure and relaxation. >> for me it's about safety. for me it's about safety and recreation. >> i'm a homeowner, and you know, i have the right to protect myself. >> i've taken the concealed weapons class and i plan on carrying the .380 in my purse. >> now, those democrats were busy on the shooting range, where we practiced with a powerful and controversial weapon that that armory manufactures. >> this is one of the things we make. this is a palmetto state armory ar-15 freedom rifle.
give it a try. see what you think. n >> now, that is a weapon many gun control advocates say should be banned. we found democrats at that gun shop who agree. >> i think everybody that's buying these big high-powered rifles nowadays, because i have two son-in-laws that have them, like, what do you need that for? you know? unless you're going to war. and -- but they love them. and so, you know, i feel like that could be controlled a little bit more. and -- but i don't want them to put so many rules on it that i, as a person who wants to protect her home and herself, cannot do that without all these extrin extringent rules. >> that view reflects a nuance
often lost in the gun debate. many gun owners are for some gun control. nine out of ten democrats support background checks for all gun sales, it's actually the same share as republicans. and democrats brought that point out when i asked about regula regulating access to guns. >> if somebody wants to get a legal weapon, then i think they should have the right to it. and if they have to jump a few hurdles -- i mean, that's okay. so, things don't slip through the cracks and the wrong people don't get their hands on an illegal weapon and end up doing something catastrophic, like what happened in charleston. >> as for the battle between clinton, who's touting common sense gun control, and sanders, who says he's evolved towards that position, well, we heard from both sides. >> you were talking about who you might like to see as president. who might you like to see? >> i would like to see a woman in office. she has a clear idea, basically, to have some set rules, but don't take guns away from people who deserve them. >> well, i'm really torn with
him. i think he might work out for us, as a president. he's got some good ideas. and i'm kind of leaning towards maybe giving him a shot. >> he voted against certain federal gun control, as you probably know. now he's moved away from some of that. >> mm. >> does that matter to your vote? >> yes. that's one of the things i've been -- you know, looking at and reading about, trying to figure out, can we trust him, not to go back that way once he's elected, if he is. and and what, you know, what we can do. and, can he win over donald trump? >> for many democrats in south carolina and key southern states, voting next week, guns just aren't a black-and-white issue. they want candidates who seem to be able to combine the second amendment and some public safety measures. joining me now for more from columbia, rick wade, a former
senior adviser to president obama and a hillary clinton supporter. he also oversaw president obama's black voter outreach program in south carolina. thanks for being here. >> good to be here. >> let's start with that last voter they interviewed at the gun range. she keeps the handgun in her purse. she says she likes bernie sanders, but these attacks on bernie's consistency, on gun control, are actually what give her pause. >> and it should give her pause. i mean, the reality the that this charleston massacre that recently happened last year, that not only pierced the hearts, but i think it raised a different level of awareness and consciousness about gun control. and this is a very important distinguishing point between hillary clinton and bernie sanders. you know, bernie sanders voted not just one time, but five times, against brady bill background checks. he supports the idea of immunity, of not holding gun manufacturers and store owners liable. in the instance of gun use and violence in our community. >> you mentioned the immunity.
you mentioned the immunity. let's break that down. he voted for something called the lawful commerce in arms act. and what it did was gave a special exemption to gun companies. this isn't about people who use guns, but to the corporations that manufacture them, so that they couldn't face lawsuits from the victims of gun violence. this week was such an interesting test on that, because, as you know, hillary clinton made the choice to campaign with black mothers of victims of gun violence. and they're pressing this issue. and it seems to be one where clinton supporters say, if bernie sanders is so critical of corporate power, why did he create a loophole for corporate gun manufacturers? >> that's a good question. i think it's a legitimate question to ask of bernie sanders. i sat with those mothers, ari, for about two hours down in charleston, south carolina. at the end of the day, these are people's lives that have been affected. and in the piece we just saw, nobody's trying to take away the rights to have guns, our right to that type of thing. but responsible gun ownership.
it makes sense to have background checks. it makes sense to hold in instances of, when these arms are getting in the hands of people, manufacturers and gun dealers liable and accountable. that's just common sense. and i think that's what you will see reflected as we saw in that piece you just did, that voters are going to respond to that today, as they vote here in south carolina. >> that's what struck me. there is so much caricature on this issue, but to be in a gun range, talking to people who use guns, who told me they love their guns, some of them told me they were worried that second amendment rights were in danger. but within the same breath, they still said, we need some better rules and stronger checks. there's nuance that gets lost there. but i want to press you on the hillary clinton piece of this. for people who care about this issue, they have a president right now who you've also supported, who has been as assertive on gun control as any modern president in either party. think fast fair to say? >> absolutely. >> it also has not resulted in any change to federal gun laws. if someone cares about that, why would your current county,
hillary clinton, do any better than him? >> this is a tough one, we know that. we're up against a very powerful lobby in washington. the gun lobby, and we made progress. and the reality is, i think it is when people, when they stand up and they voice their opinion and they're doing this across america, hillary clinton's consistent with what most americans feel. and at the end of the day, i believe hillary clinton is the person to get it done. it's hard, it's tough, it's going to take bipartisan support, but we don't need to have more murders and charleston massacres and incidents that happen -- we don't need to have anymore tragedies like sandy hook. this is just a common sense balanced approach that hillary clinton has presented and i think that's why we see voters lining up in support, not only on the issue of her position on guns, but just a comprehensive criminal justice reform, a position that's very comprehensive. >> we'll be hearing from other
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>> what does donald trump do when things go wrong? he takes to twitter. here's the first one, "lightweight marco rubio was working hard last he is a talk. and once a talker, always a choker. i guess that's what he meant to say. he called me mr. meltdown. last night during two of the breaks, he went backstage. he was having a meltdown. first he had this makeup thing applying like makeup around his mustache. because he had one of those sweat mustaches. then he asked for a full length mirror. i don't know why, because the podium goes up to here. >> so, ari, as you hear there, marco rubio not holding back. expect donald trump to respond today. as well as go after rubio and ted cruz. as far as arkansas, important s.e.c. primary state coming up on super tuesday. the governor here, governor hutchinson, actually endorsed marco rubio.
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says on your bio that you have worked 70 campaigns in your life. which is remarkable. and you look very young for that. why don't you tell us how this one ranks in its rancor between ted cruz and his opponent, marco rubio and donald trump right now. >> well, it's the first campaign i've ever seen where the candidates sometimes sound like they're doing standup comedy routines instead of a serious discussion of the issues. and i am concerned about long-term damage to the party and our prospects in the fall and long term. but, of course, they have to win in the short term, or they don't get to the fall. >> do you think donald trump really is a republican? >> well, if he is, he's a recent convert. i'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he's seeing the light. but his record certainly indicates he's supported democrats many more times than he has republicans. and that's certainly an issue with a lot of texas voters. >> well, and what happens, though, with a front runner who has that hanging over his can't
days. do you, your old boss, rand paul, are they coming around to a trump nomination, if there is one? >> well, i am a republican, i'll support the republican nominee. i'll support donald trump over hillary clinton because i'll take capitalism over a progressive candidate or if bernie sanders is the nominee, a socialist candidate. but we're a long way from having donald trump as the nominee. i point out to people, donald trump would have to win 79% of the delegates through march 22 n to wrap it up. 73% through april 16th. even 61% if you wait until may. and he has been stuck in the mid 30s. >> right. >> the last six polls not online polls, he's at 31, 36, 26, 35, 35. so we have a long way to go. >> that's certainly true. politically, do you think the insult approach of aping donald trump to blujen him, is that going to work better right now? >> of well, what it does is, it doesn't take away from his base.
he has about 35% that no matter what he does in the debate, if he has a great debate, terrible debate, whether you insult him, don't insult him, he has that base. it puts a ceiling so it would make it hard for donald trump to get more support. >> steve, thanks for your time today from texas. i'm sure we'll hear from you again soon. that does it for me here in columbia, south carolina. i'll be back at 3:00 p.m. eastern, noon west coast time. stay with us. next, joy reid picking up our special election coverage right here in south carolina. she's got some new interviews with voters about how pivotal the black vote may be in today's primary. joy is straight ahead. you're an at&t small business expert? sure am. my staff could use your help staying in touch with customers. at&t can help you stay connected. am i seeing double? no ma'am. our at&t 'buy one get one free' makes it easier for your staff to send appointment reminders to your customers... ...and share promotions on social media? you know it! now i'm seeing dollar signs.
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columbia, south carolina. the polls opened just three short hours ago. the most recent nbc news polling numbers put hillary clinton well ahead, among likely voters. she leads bernie sanders by a 28-point margin. among black voters in the palmetto state, a crucial voting block for democrats, given they make up more than half of the electorate here, that lead expands to 47 points. south carolina's nominating contest comes just three days before super tuesday, where voters in 12 states will cast ballots in primaries and caucuses. the leading republican candidates are fanning out in those super tuesday states. today donald trump, newly energized by yesterday's chris christie endorsement, is making stops in arkansas and tennessee. marco rubio will get to arkansas later tonight after stops in georgia and alabama. and ted cruz will start the day in georgia and end it, wait for it, in arkansas. meanwhile, back here in south
carolina, hillary clinton and bernie sanders have spent recent days crisscrossing the state in an 11th hour effort to get out the vote. joining me is nbc news correspondent kristen welker in column ba. kristen, right now looks quite empty behind you. are we doing brisk business yet here in south carolina? >> i wouldn't describe it as brisk. at least at this polling station in columbia. there has been a steady stream. it was a little slow-going in the morning hours. it's picking up a little bit. but definitely not brisk yet. they're not expecting a huge turnout, for example, they got back in 2008, when then senator barack obama was in this race. but look, back to the points you were making, joy. secretary clinton has a huge lead here in south carolina, fueled in large part by african-american voters. her campaign, though, telling me she's not taking any votes for granted. she has been out vigorously campaigning throughout this week. she is looking for redemption here in south carolina. she lost the state to barack obama back in 2008. but she's also looking for extra
momentum. she got a lot of momentum coming out of nevada. that win there. but she once heading into super tuesday. senator sanders is not giving up on south carolina. his goal, really, is to get within ten points of secretary clinton. but joy, most of his campaign stops this past week have been in super tuesday states. states like massachusetts, states like minnesota. and oklahoma. which have a little bit tighter race, and also a smaller delegate count. and they also are, frankly, less diverse states. still, he is looking to those super tuesday states to try to regain his momentum and to become competitive again. today, he will be stumping in texas, joy, and that is another state where secretary clinton has a huge lead, about 30 points. he's hoping to close the gap there so he can pick up some critical delegates. he's not even going to be in this state when the votes come in, joy. he's instead going to be holding a big rally in minnesota. so that tells you everything you
need to know about his strategy moving forward. joy. >> yes, indeed, it does. very interesting. kristen welker, thank you very much. really appreciate that, coming to us from columbia. i want to turn now to my panel. here with me in columbia is jamie harrison, chairman of the delegate party. robin oldendick at the university of south carolina. and former executive director of the south carolina democratic party. and senior project manager at mp strategy. so i am going to go right to robert, because i have really looked forward to talking with you. you are going to be our guru on all things south carolina politics. walk us through about what this state is about for democrats. because it does seem to be about the black vote. >> oh, it's definitely about the black vote. we anticipate it's going to be about 55% of the electorate today. and we can see over the past couple weeks the appeals that both candidates have tried to make. and it's really emphasizing the issues that are important to the black community, and definitely the get out the vote effort. so if you map where people have campaigned the last two weeks, that's what they're shooting for.
>> one of the things i've been told about the state, particularly the african-american vote here, very religious, very heavily ame and very military centric. is that accurate? >> i think that's very accurate, yes. over the course of time. if you look at the exit polls, it comes out and the characteristics, that's a fair characterization of the electorate. >> and for democrats, amanda, that means that while the younger voters here -- and i've talked to a lot of them, are very much feeling the bern, very excited about bernie sanders. hillary clinton having that church vote winds up mattering a lot. >> absolutely. and we haven't seen the young vote turnout in the numbers they could in south carolina in the past. in 2008, 40% of the electorate in our primary was under the age of 45. so you still had the majority that was over the age of 45. so we may not see them turn out in the numbers we're seeing them at the rallies. >> yeah, and jamie, having -- the idea of having the vote on a weekend, on a saturday, i think for a lot of folks around the country used to these tuesday elections, it's sort of on the one hand a great idea because more people have time.
on the other hand, for younger voters, you've got a big college regional basketball tournament taking place in charlotte today. you've got folks in the barber shop doing their thing, having their lives. does the weekend vote wind up increasing voter turnout in south carolina, or in a sense decreasing? >> well, it actually i think helps in terms of your older voters. because, you know, now you don't have to go to work. and so that is going to the strength of hillary clinton. and one of the things you said, and amanda mentioned earlier, if we drill down even more into the 2008 numbers, only 14% of the electorate was between 18 and 29. in that 2008 race. and i don't think that -- i know bernie sanders is doing very well with young voters. but i don't know if he's doing as well as barack obama did with young voters. and so that means then probably even less than 14% will be part of the electorate that's coming out today. >> yeah. and let's take a look at those numbers one more time if we can put the poll numbers back on the screen. when you look at the deficit in
favor of hillary clinton, overall our nbc news south carolina democratic poll has hillary up 60-32 over bernie sanders. a huge improvement over where he started. and then when you look at african-american voters specifically, that gap is even wider. hillary clinton at 68 versus 21. robert, what is behind the sort of strength of the clinton brand in south carolina, even after 2008, when the clintons essentially self emulated between new hampshire and south carolina? >> well, her whole history of the types of issues that are resonating with the african-american community. but i think 2008 is important, too. because that was very conflictual between obama and clinton. but afterwards, her ability to campaign for and serve in the administration and backing all of his policies pretty much throughout the time she served has really mended those fences. so that potential for a rift that was there after 2008 really was all taken care of before we got into this campaign. >> i'll throw this out to the panel. i wondered whether or not the kind of debate over civil rights
leaders, even though john lewis is from georgia, probably would still be the most recognizable civil rights leaders to african-americans here in south carolina. i'm wondering what this sort of tug of war over the civil rights movement and some of the negative things said about people like john lewis, has that resonated here in south carolina with voters? >> i don't think so. i mean, one of the things that sort of tug of war was there, even prior to clinton versus sanders. you have this whole generational -- i would like to say it's the divide between those who marched in the civil rights movement and those who read about it or watched it on television. and you see that same type of generational divide even in gender. and we see the play out in the clinton campaign where you have women who, again, were part of that making sure we can get the equal rights for women, and now all of the young women who have benefited from that. and there's a different way and different lenses they look at the world and how they're looking at politics right now. >> yeah, and you're no longer the chair of the party so i can
ask you, because maybe you can tell me. is there concern among democrats that the contentiousness of this race -- it came up in '08, that could make it difficult to heal the party? but does the added -- the added twist with bernie sanders that he's actually an independent, that he's actually not a democrat, does it make it difficult at the end of the day in your view for the party to come together and bring these two generations back together in the fall? >> i don't think so. i think that this is nothing compared to what we saw in south carolina in 2008. i think if anything, it's helping the party. because you're able to now have the data for people who vote today for bernie sanders and you have the data for people who voted for hillary clinton and those are people who may not have voted in 2008. and we saw a population growth. we didn't have a primary in 2012. being able to have voters out there and know who they are and who is supporting our candidates is huge and will help grow the democratic party, not divide it. >> and last word on this, robert. what does it mean for south carolina to be the first in the south primary in terms of -- i know it's something very important to democrats in the state. >> well, it is.
because where we are in the calendar says we set the tone. and as we look forward to what's going to happen on super tuesday, the types of voters in many of the states on super tuesday are very similar to electorate here. so if senator clinton come out with a big victory, it kind of gives her the momentum and really sends a message this is the candidate we can get behind. >> and robert would be the one person on the panel because you guys are too young to know -- alabama and mississippi fought hard to be that first in the south primary. >> i remember -- i was a part of that debate. >> oh, you were in junior high school. well, you know what, black don't crack. amanda loveday and robert oldendick, thank you. it was great. >> as the democrats battle it out in south carolina, the republicans are gearing up for super tuesday. up next, what governor chris christie's endorsement of donald trump means for marco rubio. pet moments are beautiful, unless you have allergies.
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back when governor chris christie was running for president, he was not too complimentary of his competitor, donald trump. >> we're not picking an entertainer in chief. we're not casting a it tv show. this is real. >> but now that he's out, christie is singing a very different tune. >> i am proud to be here to endorse donald trump for president of the united states. i've been on that stage. i've gotten to know all the people on that stage. and there is no one who is better prepared to provide america with the strong leadership that it needs, both at home and around the world than donald trump. >> now this is trump's first major mainstream endorsement, and it could help him edge out
the establishment candidate, florida senator, marco rubio. despite amassing more big endorsements than anyone else in the race, rubio struggles to surpass trump and yet to win a single contest. even his home state of florida, he trails trump by double digits. joining me from miami, a political consultant and host of news radio 610, one of the great shows, along with mark caputo, senior writer for politico. i'm going to come back do you in a second, mark. marco rubio had the greatest expectations, i think, of any other candidate going into this race. he's the candidate that the beltway wanted. he's the candidate much of the republican establishment desperately wants. listen to him talking to nbc's "today" show's matt lauer about whether or not he's lived up to those expectations. take a listen. >> one of your campaign spokespersons said that you would win florida. you are behind right now in that
state by double digits. will you guarantee that you'll win the state of florida? >> we're not behind by double digits in florida. those polls they're doing -- that you're criteria something wrong. not only do my own numbers but i know my state. we're going to win florida. >> you're also a pollster, i happen to know. unskewed polls. is marco rubio sort of blaming -- saying the polls are wrong, is that a sign he really is in deep trouble in florida? >> any time you start shooting the messenger and saying the numbers are off and the polling is wrong, you look at a campaign that i think is desperate. joy, the truth of the matter is, he is behind by double digits. some polls have him behind in florida by as much as 22 points. so i think this may be the beginnings of the death throes for the rubio campaign. and i've got to tell you, watching that back and forth yesterday between rubio's rally in ft. worth and the trump-christie show in new jersey, it looked like it was an episode of the scarface and s p sopranos mashup without the "f"
bomb. i guess it's where the stage is, because it was a real big blow for donald trump to have marco rubio's tormenter, chris christie, back again, just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water. >> yeah, indeed. and that was really what chris christie did on the way out. a lot of people described this as a murder/suicide. that he ended his own campaign but on the way out, essentially knocked marco rubio off of the throne. i'm going to you on this, mark. let's play a little bit of what i call the schtick that rubio doing yesterday. he seemed to have a great time. but is this the way to best donald trump? is this the presidential option for marco rubio? let's play marco rubio going after donald trump. >> what does donald trump do when things go wrong? he takes to twitter. here's the first one. lightweight marco rubio was working hard last night. this is true. the problem is, he is a talker.
and once a talker, always a choker. i guess that's what he meant to say. >> mark caputo, is that the way to win florida for marco rubio? >> well, you know, he's not winning anywhere right now. so why not? it seems like they have tried everything else on donald trump, so why not try to trump trump? i do agree with rubio, he's probably not down by double digits. there is a better poll by a more reliable firm showing he's down by seven in florida to donald trump. but still down by seven. so things don't necessarily look good for him. another point, floridans are already voting. there is something like 280,000 republicans that already cast absentee vote by mail ballots in the election early. early, in-person voting begins on monday. people are going to the polls. and donald trump is always winning and is already winning. so that's going to probably help increase donald trump's margins over rubio, over anybody in the state of florida, as well as the other states that are in between
the super tuesday states and march 15th primary. >> yeah, indeed. and that's a really good point. because florida still has preserved some early vote, despite the governor there and legislature not being in support of it. ferdinand, yesterday i talked to a friend of jeb, and they expressed no enthusiasm for helping out marco rubio, who is a satellite of jeb bush, who is the protege of jeb bush. what does it say to you that not only are friends of jeb not getting in to bail rubio out, basically, but that jeb bush himself has not done so? >> well, you know, they're gleefully enjoying this spectacle. my phone blew up yesterday with the highlights or low lights of that back and forth we just saw from a lot of people that were working on the jeb campaign. because relations really were strained, i think to the breaking point, based on what happened with marco running against jeb, which was seen by them as the ultimate act of disloyalty. now they're going to hide by the excuse that as long as kasich is still in the race, general
probably won't endorse. but i know that they're enjoying every minute of this chris christie filleting of marco rubio. >> yeah, indeed. and, you know, marc, i'm wondering if in the end, despite the fact that he did so poorly throughout the course of the campaign, in florida, as a florida candidate, might jeb actually have been a stronger competitor to donald trump, or is this really just schadenfreud by people who are angry that rubio ran against jeb? >> yeah, i'm going more on the schadenfreud department. in the polls before bush dropped out of the race, he was going in the single digits. and really, if general came out and endorsed rubio, i'm not sure how big an effect it would have. he would have a negative power if endorsed somebody else or not endorsing anybody, it leads rise to speculation that jeb and marco have a permanently broken relationship, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. it's not the kind of headline and that kind of discussion that marco rubio wants. >> yes, indeed. and ferdinand, there was a "new york times" piece that talked about the fact that rubio's only
hope might be to go for a convention, win somewhere, at least after march 15th and going with enough delegates to try to win that way. if marco rubio were able to somehow bio engineer the nomination, your numbers, your data, the polling you have done, would he be a strong general election candidate to do what he was sort of built to do, which is to win over hispanic voters? i know that's a long-term discussion. what do you make of that? >> well, the polling is compelling when it comes to hispanic voters, joy. of all of the republican candidates, marco rubio, by far, does the best when it comes to winning and increasing their share of the hispanic electorate. and in a head-to-head match-up we had with hillary clinton. he got 31% of that vote, compared to 16% for donald trump. so you think about it from the math of who can be best with hispanic voters in november. marco rubio is certainly the republican that right now is polling the best amongst those still standing. >> and you would think that maybe he would make that
argument to republican primary voters, rather than reading mean tweets. but that's just -- just a little aside there. all right, thank you both for being here. appreciate it. >> thanks, joy. >> and when we come back, we will have more live primary day coverage from right here in columbia, south carolina. to folks out there whose diabetic nerve pain... shoots and burns its way into your day, i hear you. to everyone with this pain that makes ordinary tasks extraordinarily painful, i hear you. make sure your doctor hears you too! i hear you because i was there when my dad suffered with diabetic nerve pain. if you have diabetes and burning, shooting pain in your feet or hands, don't suffer in silence! step on up and ask your doctor about diabetic nerve pain. tell 'em cedric sent you.
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far from here, and he lifted some of his diverse supporters. >> i want to thank strong advocates for racial justice that have been on our team, ben jealous, the former head of the national naacp. dr. cornell west. people know cornell west? cornell west is one of the important intellectuals in our country. representative keith ellison, co chair of the house progressive caucus. >> and joining me now is former state senator from ohio, nina turner, also a national surrogate -- i'm going to say the greatest national surrogate for senator sanders. nina, let's talk about that. the list you just heard senator sanders reel off included cornell west. and i wonder if that is a double-edged sword for your campaign. one thing that i think you and i can agree on, black voters here in south carolina across the country love barack obama. >> they do. >> and cornell west is problematic in that instance. is that problematic for the
campaign? >> i don't think so. i think in the black community, we have to give room for different voices. and dr. cornell west certainly brings a different voice. but he supports senator bernie sanders and should not affect senator sanders at all. i've been traveling with the senator, with dr. west. and i don't think african-americans -- just as we're not monolithic in any case, i don't think we're monday ligamentic about our feelings towards dr. west and his critique of the president. i know some people think his critique is harsh. but this is american, so elected officials -- myself included -- we are accustomed to critique, even if we don't like it. >> sure, absolutely. does it ever come up, the issue of senator sanders in 2011 calling for a primary of the president? does that come up? >> i have not heard. i have traveled with dr. west, and we have been in mixed crowds. and i have never heard one person, not african-american or anybody else, say to dr. west, why did you -- >> or sanders -- >> i'm sorry, senator sanders. that has not come up. and joy, let us not forget, the
secretary is the one that ran against then senator barack obama in 2008. it was this very state where both the president and the secretary was engaged in disparaging the african-american community for supporting then senator barack obama. so the only person in this race that ever really tried to stop him from being president is -- >> that was a contested primary. >> but i will, but at the same time, if people want to be so harsh on senator sanders, that one way, then let's not lose sight of what happened in this state in 2008. >> let's look at the polls. because, you know -- i said it earlier and because i've seen you guys' campaign on the ground, the sanders campaign has been aggressive and strong on the ground. you started off with basically nothing. but definitely it is still there. and if you look at the exit polls from nevada, if you look at the exit polls -- there were not a lot of minority votes there. but you look at the exit polls and you see there is a real deficit that senator sanders has with voters of color. why to you suppose that is? >> but he's building, joy.
look what happened in nevada. our latino brothers and sisters came out for the senator. he is a senator from vermont. and we cannot forget that. he cannot control the demographics. as i have watched him, we went to see dr. jamal bryant, for example, in baltimore. all african-americans. and what they wanted to know is not just about black lives matter, but black politics matter. black prosperity matters. all of those things were important. and the senator was able to engage. i think what we're going through right now is a brand loyalty thing. and for me, as a historian, as well as somebody that's in the elected ministry, it is a brand loyalty that african-americans are experiencing right now. senator sanders did not have a national profile. he is building that. and i don't think when people it talk about this race, they're giving him enough credit. because he is ascending. secretary clinton has had the benefit of having a national profile for decades. we can't discount that. >> yeah, yeah. and let's play a little bit of one of the more controversial issues. i love that you said electoral
ministry, by the way. i'm putting that in my memory bank. we're going to have mike later on. this was at an historically black college, at morehouse. >> i was there. >> introducing senator sanders. i want to ask a question on the other side. >> okay. >> i talked to jane elliot a few weeks ago. and jane said, michael, a uterus doesn't qualify you to be the president of the united states. you have to be -- you have to have policy that's reflective of social justice. >> now, of course, jane elliot is a long-tim lgbt activist. as a woman, we're talking intersexuality here. also for women, as well. is that kind of a sound bite harmful to the cohesion between the interest of women and the interest of african-americans? >> i don't think so. and, again, i totally agree with what jane elliot had to say. i mean, if president barack obama had been running in 2008, based on him being a black man,
people would have called foul. what killer mike had to say, based on what jane elliot had to say, is the truth. we vote for people based on how we -- we should vote for people based on how we line up with perspectives and policies and what we want this future to be. so that is not offensive at all. >> okay. so give me your prognostication. what's going to be the finish here? and do you see this campaign, sister nina, going really into spaces where there aren't a lot of african-americans, because that is where senator sanders thinks he can win? >> i mean, he's running for every vote, joy. he is. he is running for every vote. i have watched him in those circles. he needs everybody. he understands he has to earn those votes. and back to that intersectionality. there is intersectionality. but when it comes to the fact of lifting the poor, who has been stronger on talking about those issues unpoll jetcally, that this country that the system is rigged both economically is rigged. who gets left behind, the
working poor. black and brown folks. and then we have poor white folks in our rural communities that we often leave out. so the senator is going to continue to earn every single vote. he knows that he has to do that. and he understands that his message is -- has to continue to resonate. >> will -- not just minnesota, not vermont. can he win? >> i believe he will. and time will tell that. but we are trying to peel it back right now. >> okay. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> always a pleasure to be in your presence. >> thank you. back at you. when we come back, we're going to switch it up, and we're going to talk with hillary clinton's campaign. one of her chief surrogates will be here to respond. does the smell of a freshly bound presentation fill you with optimism? do you love your wireless keyboard more than certain family members? is your success due to a filing system only you understand? does printing from your tablet to your wireless printer
change, ready for progress, ready to make a difference! and i will do everything i can as a democratic nominee if i'm so fortunate to help turn south carolina a little bluer this year. >> that was hillary clinton last night here in columbia, south carolina, rallying supporters before they head to the polls in today's first in the south democratic primary. and joining me now is karen finney, strategic communications adviser and senior spokesperson for hillary clinton. >> great to see you too. >> let's talk about the question of enthusiasm. one of the things that comes up over and over and over again when you talk to people about the difference between the bernie sanders excitement and the hillary clinton -- while she does have passionate supporters is the lack of enthusiasm. how do you respond to that? >> you know, i disagree. as you know, i've been here in south carolina for almost a whole month. and i have seen a lot of enthusiasm, both going around and talking to people, and in the crowds that she's had,
president clinton has had. we have had some amazing events. and just the love and the warmth. and you know, one of the things i think that reflects is the fact that hillary clinton has a long history with the black community. particularly in this state, because this is where she came her first job out of law school when she worked for the children's defense fund, working on juvenile justice issues, a specific case in bamburg county, where teenage boys were being incarcerated with adult males. and you can imagine what was going on there. so i think the fact that she's worked on these issues, social justice, economic justice, particularly when it comes to children and families for so long, i think there's just a real -- she kind of said last night, a homecoming. because it's -- these are issues she's passionate about. >> those things about her biography getting lost is sort of the argument that we seem to be having relitigating the 1990s where hillary clinton was the first lady, not president of the united states or not in congress or in the house or senate. but we are really litigating the 1990s, particularly on criminal
justice reform. i want to play an interview that our colleague, tamron hall, she interviewed ashley williams, a young woman who protested at a recent hillary clinton event. listen to what she had to say about the issue of mass incarceration. >> i wanted hillary to apologize to black people for mass incarceration. i wanted to hear from her. i wanted her to acknowledge that she understands the ways in which the policies that she supported are the reasons why people's sons, daughters, mothers and co-workers are removed from communities. i wanted her to understand that we're still feeling those things today. >> stipulating that hillary clinton did not pass the crime bill, but she did -- >> the courts, yeah. >> senator sanders did vote for when in the house. she did make comments about super predators. she made comments that have come back to haunt her. should she apologize for her stance in the '90s? >> here's the thing. both president clinton and hillary clinton have. and it was unfortunate, because actually when that young lady
was interrupting hillary, she was talking about criminal justice reform and the need for body cameras everywhere. and i think if she would have listened to the rest of it, she would have heard that, you know, hillary has been talking about ending the era of mass incarceration since last april. she has been talking about black lives matter since december 2014. these have been at the center of her campaign very intentionally. she doesn't get enough credit, i feel as a black woman, for talking about issues of white privilege, historic systemic racism, how we need to be investing in the african-american community. and very targeted investments, when we talk about housing and red lining and access to credit. and when we talk about health care. so i guess that's what i find frustrating. the other piece is, you know, what gets lost. so senator sanders voted for the crime bill. i don't know what he did, you know, where he was, sort of in
the beginning of the 2000s. but when hillary clinton got to the senate in 2000 and had a vote of her own, what did she do? she worked on ending racial profiling. she ended -- she worked on a comprehensive bill to protect the right to vote. and reinstate voting rights for people who have, you know, paid their debt and are looking for that second chance. she worked on issues like ending the sentencing disparities between crack and powder campaign. and she was working on things like making sure our national guardsmen had access to tricare health care benefits. and expanding the c.h.i.p. program for kids. i guess my question to that young woman would be if we're going to look at the record, let's look at the whole record. and i think tamron mentioned this in the interview, hillary herself made it clear, she regrets those comments. she shouldn't have said it, and of course she wasn't talking about that young woman. >> because she's a clinton, there's a special kind of thing that attaches, right? >> sure.
>> from a lot of the public. hillary clinton has also made some affirmative decisions that have come back to haunt her, speaking to wall street, making decisions in terms of clinton foundation. did hillary clinton make a mistake by aligning herself in a sense with wall street? was that just a bad decision that she now has to rectify by, for instance, releasing transcripts of her speeches? >> i disagree with that characterization. because i mean, she is a senator from new york. and so they were part of her constituency. but also, i mean, she -- you know, she got out of public service, and you know, she gave speeches. a lot of people do that. a lot of men do that. a lot of men make a lot of money making speeches. and i guess i feel like when i'm here on the ground talking to people, they're not talking about wall street speeches. they actually, like her plan for how she's going to regulate wall street, because it goes farther than bernie sanders, they like that she wants to take all of the systemic risk out of the system. they like when she is talking about job creation and increasing the minimum wage, and protecting the president's, you
know, most important achievement of -- most important achievement for the country, and that is obamacare, the affordable care act. that's what people are talking about. and they're talking -- you know, it's about college debt. how do we refinance our debt, particularly here in south carolina, hbcu. hillary's plan actually, unlike senator sanders, talks about both public and private hbcus. that's what people are talking about. >> yeah, and you guys are likely to win here today. at what point does hillary clinton begin to do better? what state can you to really well with the young voters? >> you know what, actually, polls here in south carolina, hillary is winning among young voters of color. >> okay. >> so i think as -- and i think that narrative -- i know it's a popular one. but i think when we start to look at young people across the country, i think you're going to see that there are a lot of young people who are coming out for hillary clinton. >> we'll be watching those exit polls. i'm a polling geek. >> i know you are you're a numbers girl. >> karen finney, good to see
you, my friend. >> thank you. and i did spend a week traveling around the state, and picking the brains of democratic voters to see what they think about all of this fun, exciting process. and we will have that, next. ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪
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smokes barber shop. rapper killer mike, an outspoken interference supporter and our guest in the next hour, paid a visit to the barber shop and most of the men were undecided when killer mike arrived. but by the time he left, many had been persuaded to consider voting for bernie sanders. take a listen. >> people like bernie right now. >> killer mike is that good of a salesman? >> yeah. >> we know conversation takes place in the barber shop. have you guys been talking about the election? >> all of the time. what. >> are people saying? your customers. have they generally been bernie -- >> undecided. >> before he came in here, what were you leaning? >> i mean, telling the truth, i was leaning bernie or hillary. i would say hillary. and then listening to him, i've got to go back -- he had something to add. >> what are the most important issues to you? >> education. education is first.
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well, i may not be the youngest candidate in this race. but i will be the youngest woman president in the history of the united states! >> that was hillary clinton launching her campaign in new york this past june. and since that moment, she's frequently reminded voters of the historic nature of her possible presidential win. now nevada last week, clinton carried 57% of women caucusers. but with bernie sanders consistently taking more of the youth vote than clinton, the former secretary of state has some trouble appealing to millennial women. that age divide among women voters is further complicated at
the intersection of gender and race. considering that black south carolina voters comprise of mostly women, former favorite hillary clinton by wide, wide margins. now i have three young women who are all students at the university of south carolina with me who are all engaged in this year's race for the white house. carley wells, megan taylor and kelly billwalk. >> got it. >> so we have three voters. one undecided. we have two who are undecided. we'll get to you in a second. you're undecided, carley. >> yes. >> it's down to the wire, my dear. i'm assuming you're going to vote. >> i am. >> i'll give you my speech if -- okay. what is it you need to hear from these two candidates? >> i'm waiting to hear, either one of these candidates look at me as a voter, and in terms of being black and a woman and talk to my interests, and not in terms of me being a special interest. but in terms of me being a person who votes. and so i need to hear more that applies to me than just racial justice policy. >> see, that's interesting. you do have a lot of candidates attempting to peel on issues
like racial justice, particularly african-american voters. you're saying that's not what you want to hear. >> exactly. when i get in my car and listen to the radio, they say we care about education, drugs. there are so many other issues. and i think by trying to pander to me, it's sort of counter productive in terms of who i identify with as a voter. >> what issues do you care about? >> i care about education, certainly, but also about the economy. i'm concerned about what happens in terms of foreign policy, right? those things are things that affect me as a voter beyond just what happens with racial justice. >> so on this issue of -- pandering, i want to talk to you guys. i'll throw it out to everyone. but there has been this question of whether or not there will be the old women's rights movement. the former women rights movement is resnant with women your age. this is madeline albright, former secretary of state. let's listen to her talking about should women help other women. >> we can tell our story about how we climb the ladder and a lot of you younger women don't
think you have to -- it's been done. it's not done! and you have to help hillary clinton will always be there for you. and just remember, there's a special place in hell for women who don't help each other. >> okay. megan, you are a supporter of bernie sanders. >> yes. >> when you hear something like that, how does that strike you as a woman? >> well, so i have followed madeline albright's career, as well as i've followed hillary clinton's career. so i've heard her say that before. her famous quote, there is a special place in hell for women who don't support other women. and i think that's certainly true to a certain extent. but i never think that people should be voting solely based on gender. because we definitely should have a woman president. excuse me. but i think that women as voters just like black people as voters want to be talked to as a whole person. not just a woman, not just a
black person, not just a student. and so we don't want to hear, like, oh you should vote for hillary clinton because she's a woman. no, i want to hear i should vote for hillary clinton because she does the most for all americans. especially women. but all americans. >> and it's interesting, because we do sort of hear that your generation is just -- the women's rights movement, that whole idea of having a woman president, that being resonant and historic is not resonating with your generation. you are a hillary clinton supporter. why do you suppose that's not resonating? >> i think there is a huge -- not only a generational sort of divide between feminists and so many different issues that come with feminism and intersectional feminism and so many things that play a part of that, but this is a lot of young people's first election that they're completely aware for. so it's very hard to look at two, you know, absolutely qualified candidates and, you know, hear language that definitely plays to both sides
of vote for hillary because she's a woman. vote -- or, you know, don't vote for her because she's necessarily a woman. you know, so it's definitely a hard thing to kind of balance out. take it all in, it's hard for, you know, a first election. >> and you know what, for you guys, you're all in -- at college. you're a junior. >> sophomore. >> and a senior. are your friends engaged in this election? we think you guys are excited around the sanders campaign. are your friends engaged? >> i surround myself with social justice circles. so certainly all of my friends are certainly paying attention and keeping up. but outside of my sort of circle of friends, i don't necessarily get the sense that everyone is going to turn out to vote today. south carolina historically has a lot of voter appeathpathy. and i think it's a lot to do with this is a red state. so i think that contributes. >> well, you guys are great. we could have you on for an hour and hopefully you'll come back or we'll find you and talk to you again. thank you all so much. we appreciate it. carley, megan and kelly. thank you all. and much more to come here
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go to experian.com and start your credit tracker trial membership today. welcome back, everyone. i'm joy reid and we're just three days away from super tuesday, when voters in a dozen states will cast ballots in primaries and caucuses for both political parties. but first here in south carolina, voting is already under way for democrats, as they decide who will win the state's 59 electoral votes. with polls set to close at 7:00 p.m. meanwhile, this afternoon, gop candidates will be scattered across the country, trying to sway any undecided voters to cast ballots in their direction.
ted cruz wins considerable ground after coming in third on tuesday. he's currently hosting a rally in atlanta, georgia, before heading to little rock, arkansas. tonight, the distant necessary place finisher, marco rubio, is pulling an all-out blitz today in georgia, alabama and arkansas. front runner donald trump is only making two appearances later this afternoon in arkansas and tennessee. trump is hitting the trail in those s.e.c. states just a day after receiving a huge, huge endorsement for new jersey governor, chris christie. it's the first -- first endorsement the outsider candidate has received from an establishment type republican leader, wondering if it opens the door to more support or opens the floodgates for chris christie style attacks on marco rubio. and joining me now from bent bentonville, arkansas, luke russert. luke, what's the trump campaign up to? what have they got in store today? >> reporter: good morning, joy. big rally here in bentonville,
arkansas, literally the town that walmart built. they're expecting about 8,500 people to file in this airport hangar i'm standing next to. donald trump will appear off of his plane, talk to the folks and go on to the next rally, trying to do a lot of these in airports. now, why is today such a big day in the race? i think it's fair to say that yesterday was one of the most insane days of the race between marco rubio going after trump, getting down in the mud with him. chris christie making that bombshell endorsement of donald trump. you're seeing this real fight within the republican party. chris christie, a very important endorsement for donald trump. not only because it gives him some establishment credential. remember, he was head of the republican governor's association. it also gives him a fellow pitbull. listen to the takedown christie did of marco rubio yesterday. >> the fact is that desperate people do desperate things. and i've seen it throughout politics and so have you. and so the idea that marco rubio can get inside donald trump's head is an interesting proposition.
but one that's really for the d.c. game. desperate people in campaigns do desperate things, flailing punches in the last days of a losing campaign. >> reporter: and i was talking to voters here, joy. they were eating that stuff up. they love the fact that chris christie is aligning himself with donald trump. they really like the fact that their leaders are tough, strong. that's what they're attracted to. what's really interesting, though, is news today -- there was a report by the "new york times." and we often talk about the in-fighting going on in the republican party. capitol hill is my day job. michigan mcconnell, quite a striking line about donald trump is and what would happen if he is the nominee and what senate republicans would have to do. they would drop him like a hot rock. what's that mean? while trump is getting all of this momentum and all of the possibilities of him being able to win this on super tuesday, if he's in fact the nominee, mitch mcconnell already preparing plans to run away from donald trump. some even say perhaps give away the election to the democrats in
the presidential level. that's a very fascinating snapshot of where the republican party stands right now. that the senate majority leader wants to run away from the likely nominee if things continue to go the way they are. joy? >> wow. luke, you know, we have to talk about what the most bizarre day is in this campaign. wow, i think you might have hit the mark today, my friend. appreciate it. luke russert in bentonville, arkansas. i want to turn now to nbc's gabe gutierrez in georgia. does the rubio campaign give signs of being shaken by having two attack dogs both training their fangs on him? >> reporter: oh, hey, joy. let me first say, it definitely was one of the most bizarre days of that campaign. the rubio campaign is down playing this endorsement. from -- by chris christie of donald trump. they say that donald trump had to bring in somebody to articulate his policies, because he couldn't do it himself.
rubio campaign is maintaining a very busy schedule today. they have this rally in ken saw, georgia. and as you mentioned, moving on to alabama and arkansas later today. and within the next hour or so, we expect the rubio camp to release his recent tax returns. and he's calling on the gop front runner to do the same. this comes after that day, where rubio started in dallas, ripping into trump. he continued in the afternoon, even after the christie endorsement at his rally in oklahoma city. and he ripped into trump, mocking his misspelled tweets, attacking his policies and labelling him a con artist. >> do you want some behind the scenes stuff? we have two commercial breaks in the middle of all this combat on the stage. he looked -- he was in panic mode in the back. first he took out like this little makeup compact. and he was like -- right here. because he had like a sweat mustache. and then he asked for a full length mirror. why do you need a full length
mirror? the podium goes up to here. so i said earlier, maybe he was worried his pants were wet or something. i don't know. not a good night. not a good night for donald trump. he was melting down, all right? >> so joy, take a look at this. we just -- we're just learning some about the -- the super pac backing marco rubio, conservative solutions, and how much it's spending now. this is very interesting. in florida, $2.7 million spent in ads. that more than quadruples the amount spent in texas and michigan, virginia, georgia and tennessee. shows just how high the stakes are there in florida. that primary on march 15th, the rubio campaign says that it will guarantee victory that they will win in florida. rubio heading to virginia to campaign tomorrow. joy? >> interesting. guaranteed victory in florida. all right, nbc's gabe gutierrez in kensaw, georgia. it thank you, sir. and with us is halle jackson, following the ted cruz campaign. all right, halle, what are ted
cruz's plans for today, and for super tuesday? >> reporter: tons of travel, joy, as you might imagine. he's got arkansas stops tonight and tomorrow. his campaign telling me, keep an eye on arkansas, it's one of the states where cruz is expected to play hard, along with texas, where he will be pretty much all day monday and tuesday, except for a quick trip up to minnesota. he's also swinging over to oklahoma city tomorrow, and to tulsa, some other stops in that oklahoma medium market area. cruz really pushing hard on super tuesday. he's got to win texas and pick up delegates. he's got to win his home state. and he also probably needs a win in another state like an arkansas. cruz alluding to how important super tuesday is. he has called it the most important night of his campaign. and even last night, he warned that trump could be unstoppable if he romps on super tuesday. we talked a little bit yesterday with senator cruz about this chris christie endorsement of donald trump. and i want you to listen to his response here. >> i think the endorsement was
no doubt troubling news for the rubio campaign. i like chris. i don't think the endorsement was a big surprise to many observers. our focus is real simple. uniting conservatives in the super tuesday states. i don't think this endorsement has any significant impact on that. >> reporter: so you heard cruz there pivot quickly from christie to marco rubio and that a strategy we have seen from ted cruz for weeks. and part of the overall strategy here on super tuesday, joy. it's bankly three-wronged. one make sure you're putting out positive messaging about cruz and what he wants to get to voters. the idea he has been consistent. two, try to take it to donald trump, and some of these congressional districts where they're competitive. and three, in areas where marco rubio looks as though he may not meet the minimum viability threshold for delegates, try to keep a lid on him in those specific areas. so we see how it shakes out on super tuesday. joy? >> all right. nbc's halle jackson pulling the
plum assignment in nashville, tennessee. appreciate it. it thank you very much. joining me now here in columbia, our kayton dawson, fortunatelier chair. former senior communications strategist to mike huckabee. and curtman finley of south carolina. thank you all, gentlemen, for being here. i've got to go to you first, kateton. the bombshell news we got from luke russert there, the national majority leader indicate figure donald trump were the nominee, he would, quote, drop him like a hot rock. respond. >> what he's saying is that he thinks we've got senate seats -- if trump is our nominee, we're going to lose. we've got seats that are tough seats to win, anyway. so if you look at elections -- i apologize. we've done a lot of talking the last two weeks. if you look at elections the way we do, this is a bigger picture. and trump's in the eight states that matter, where there is a
pretty large hispanic vote, we -- that do this for a living know, we put people in harm's way. what we have to see what donald trump is, can he put new york, pennsylvania and other states on the map, because i don't see what he can do to bring those states back. for mitch mcconnell, whose job is to keep a majority of the u.s. senate, he's speaking from the heart. >> and would he in a sense be willing to sacrifice the white house to say we'll have a democratic -- >> i don't think he's willing to sacrifice. his job is to hold the senate. >> i want to move over to ted cruz and talk to you about this, hogan. it does seem the easy read on chris christie endorsing donald trump is they're going to now wallop marco rubio. it's bad news for marco rubio. but ted cruz kind of disappeared from the news cycle for the last 24 hours. is he actually in a way the big loser? >> absolutely. it's not so much the rise of rubio. it's the collapse of ted cruz. and it started here -- actually, it started in iowa, quite
frankly. he was way ahead there, 41% in mid december. ended up winning by six points. lost in new hampshire. here he was seven points ahead of marco rubio. and now he's virtually nonexistent. on the debate stage, rubio was taking it right to donald trump. cruz had some licks in there, as well. it seems like he's disappearing. and this whole notion he's somehow coalescing christians, it hasn't played out in any state, especially here in south carolina, which is tailor-made for ted cruz. mike huckabee won all of the conservative counties in 2008. santorum won some, gingrich won some. ted cruz didn't win a single county in the state of south carolina, and rubio only picked up two. he's losing amongst evangelicals. >> at the same time, though, representative finley, neither is -- neither is marco rubio, right? so you have the two stuck in a tie. in this state, where we did see jeb bush's national career end, right? what happens to that bush south
carolina voter? where do they go? they don't seem to have gone really to anyone. >> i think that's the interesting question that nobody is getting to. i think marco rubio is sort of looking past cruz, believing if cruz is out of the race, he gets that vote. if kasich -- >> what is the evidence of that? >> that's my point. that's exactly -- you've hit the nail on the head, which is i'm not sure that the average cruz voter is any more inclined to marco rubio than he is to trump. i mean, i think -- that's the question. >> yeah. i think that's a big question. i want to bring into the conversation lees jordan, former senior adviser for policy for the rand paul campaign. and thank you so much for being here. one of the things that we have heard, and scuttlebutt, potentially marco rubio's path to the nomination is the roke hurt convention and that would potentially involve the party playing fast and loose with the state minimums. the number of states you need to have to qualify to get on the ballot. coming from the rand paul
campaign, his father, ron paul, having been the victim of that type of tom foolery, those types of shenanigans at the 2012 convention, how would that then wrangle things for the republican party in cleveland? >> i still think that the odds of a broker convention, it's really low. i give it -- the fact that it is even an option, though, you know, it's -- i didn't think it was an option at all. and now i give it at least 20%. that said, i think it's incredibly difficult to think that a broker convention is going to be the way to stop trump. because delegates, i don't see, as establishment figures either. they aren't going to suddenly back the establishment ask drop trump. so it just seems a little bit fanciful that that is, you know, the path that some campaigns are sketching out, is the solution to, you know, stopping trump. i think that trump has so much momentum now that it really is going to be very difficult to stop him. >> yeah, and elise, everything about this race so far.
let's keep it real. i want to put back up the comments of michigtch mcconnell talking about the potential nominally of his party, the man leading in basically every poll. and this is what he had to say. he said, if mr. trump is the nominee, we will drop him like a hot rock. elise -- please, respond. >> well, that is just -- i mean, clearly, mcconnell doesn't think that trump would beat hillary. and he also doesn't want to risk the senate in the house on just -- and completely lose all republican power. i found it very interesting -- i mean, when has this ever happened? but, you know, that's a pretty strong statement. it's going to, of course, really anger trump, and i wonder if it's going to only, you know, fuel his populist appeal even more. this is exactly what has helped trump so much. that he is perceived as being so opposed, as he is, by the establishment. >> yeah, and let me go back to
the panel here in columbia. the republican party is now a substantially southern party. how is donald trump a guy from new york, a guy who has none of the sort of southern values of -- we think of as traditional, right? how is he doing so well across the south? >> it has amazed me. and coming into the s.e.c. primary. basically got together and said, y'all are getting ready to nominate a yankee from brooklyn who doesn't know the bible, who -- >> corinthians. >> no policy statements. and he's shaking it all up, and hit a nerve of people who want to burn washington down. >> yeah. >> he's the -- the question is, can we build it back up. it is amazing to me. >> you're working for mike huckabee, tailor-made for the way the republican party is built, extensionally as a pastor, southerner. why didn't a candy days like that have more resonance? >> right. it almost seemed like anybody who had a substantial record of
accomplishment, the voter didn't turn on to, for whatever reason. republicans consistently say they want someone to cut taxes and balance the budget, protect life. all of those things jeb had done, huckabee had done, christie had done so some degree. and for some reason, decided to go more with donald trump. i will say this. actually, chuck todd made this point to me. he was at a trump rally in iowa and said he walked the line. it was all vets and walked the line two hours before he was going to get in. without fail, every one said they caucused for huckabee in 2008. so he has a level of -- the ability, i guess, to go across some of the cross tabs and pull in some of these folks. right, that are christians or evangelicals or vets. is that's something huckabee the ability to get the working man. >> let me go to our elected official for the last word. is this resetting everything you understand about your constituents? clearly, the people like you are the people they are mad at? >> look, it's the old adage. all politics is local. and what you're seeing is the
local folks telling you where they are. and i think in south carolina, it started with newt gingrich four years ago. >> yeah. >> and that protest -- well, mitt romney. thank you. this has been a great panel. we appreciate you all. i want to thank msnbc's elise jordan and kateton dawson, hogan giddily and state representative curtman finley. thank you all. next, we will check in with the donald trump supporter. next. you don't want to miss that. don't go anywhere. because later this hour, killer mike is going to join us live. . and with fever, aches, and chills, mom knows it needs a big solution: an antiviral. don't kid around with the flu, call your doctor within the first 48 hours of symptoms and ask about prescription tamiflu. attack the flu virus at its source with tamiflu, an antiviral that helps stop it from spreading in the body. tamiflu in liquid form is fda approved to treat the flu in people two weeks of age and older whose flu symptoms started within the last two days.
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they hate him. >> this is a guy who portrays himself as a tough guy. he's not a tough guy. this is a guy who inherited $200 million. and would it not be for that, he would be selling watches in times square. >> the feud between donald trump and his gop rivals rages on. as presidential hopefuls make their final pitches to super tuesday states. joining me is carl hig bee, former navy s.e.a.l. and surrogate for the donald trump campaign. thank you so much for being here, carl. we appreciate your time. >>s for having me on. >> so we have heard now marco rubio has now formulated into a part of his stump speech the line about donald trump would be selling watches. we're going to hear it probably a lot over the course of the campaign. why doesn't ridicule work to take down donald trump? >> well, nothing works to take down donald trump, because he's literally imper vows to these attacks. he was not given $200 million. he was given -- he was loaned $1 million and he turned it into a $10 billion empire. the fact of the matter is, trump supporters are so steadfast, because they see the conviction of his character.
and they stabbed behind it. and he's not losing any supporters. look, trump is winning by almost double the support of marco rubio, and rubio's home state. >> but i'll bet you no trump supporters or very few were given $1 million. even if it was $1 million. he's a very rich man. he is a 1%er. what does he have in common with the white working class voters supporting him? >> the fact is, they see the conviction of his character. they see his hard work and ethic and how much he cares about the little guy. look at what he has done for veterans, how many people he employs. people concerned about the economy. he employs, 10, 20, 30,000 people at any given time. he can relate to all of us. >> well, i want to ask you about that question of character, and looking out for the little guy. donald trump's enterprises were sued in the state of new york for housing discrimination. racial discrimination, in fact. not allowing people of color to move into his buildings. he's had a lot of really questionable comments that can be read as being quite racist. he's attracted the support of
white supremacists. is this a man who has demonstrated character in regards to things like race? >> look at the guy who conducted the south carolina shooting. he was, you know -- he aligned with all of the democratic philosophy. he was kkk-style type of guy with the confederate flag. >> we're talking about donald trump. i'm asking about the candidate you're supporting. >> people can align with whoever they want. the fact of the matter is -- >> i'm talking about his own record. >> trump can't stop the kkk and white supremacists from liking him. trump is not racist. he's an equal opportunity employer, and not racist. that's a common theme. we have nothing else against him, so we're going to call him racist. >> are you troubled by his birtherism deployed against the commander in chief? >> no. i think that -- yeah, the issue with obama's berth certificate was an issue he raised. he's welcome to raise it. he spent his own money to push that narrative, and honestly, got a lot of attention and it was a serious question they needed to be asked. >> why would trump make a good commander in chief? >> i think what we see in trump
as military veterans and current active duty who overwhelmingly support him, he has the conviction to get the lawyers off the battlefield. he doesn't go into a fight half cocked. he goes into a fight to win. look at all his negotiations. he goes in with the best interests of the end result and how to do it and has a plan every time. >> all right. carl higby, that's our time. appreciate you joining us from new york. >> thank you. and what does governor chris christie's endorsement of donald trump mean for senator marco rubio, and senator ted cruz? that is up next. i think it landed last tuesday.
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chris is an articulate guy. donald probably needs a life lien after last night. i respect that. >> i think the endorsement was no doubt troubling news for the rubio campaign. i like chris. i don't think the endorsement was a big surprise to many observers. our focus is simple. uniting conservative in the super tuesday states. i don't think this endorsement
has any significant impact on that. >> that was senators marco rubio and ted cruz on friday. both reacting to new jersey governor chris christie's game-changing endorsement of donald trump for president. joining me now from san diego is jas jason roe, and steve lonigan for ted cruz's campaign. i'm going to start with you, jason. marco rubio has resorted to i guess you could call it schtick to try to take down donald trump. almost sort of trying to play the game trump's way. ridiculing him and telling jokes. is that the way to actually beat donald trump, and is it presidential? >> i think actually that marco has spent most of his time over the last three days talking about substantive differences between him and donald trump. and, you know, i find it amusing, because for days leading up to the debate, when i would do interviews, everybody would ask me, when are you going to take the fight to trump, and now we have taken the fight to
trump, everyone is asking why are you taking the fight to trump? >> the reason i think people are asking, jason, is the way he's taking the fight to trump is by re reading between tweets. >> he had a little bit of fun, in that moment at a rally to fire up the crowd that is a fraction of what he's been talking about when he's been talking about trump. you know, we need to focus on the reality here. that this is a guy that's hijacked the republican party, hijacked the conservative movement. he spent most of his career as a liberal democrat funding liberal democratic causes and the idea that he would now be the face of conservatism is laughable. and at some point, everybody in the republican party and the conservative movement needs to stand up and say, enough with the line see. this is too important. this is about electing the leader of the free world, and we can't as a party, as a conservative movement, nominate a con man to be the face of our movement. >> let's go over to you, steve.
let's look at a couple polls. bloomberg poll that looks at all of the s.e.c. primary states combined. trump at 37%, marco rubio and ted cruz tied at 20% and everyone else down in single digits. dead heat in poll after poll, state after state. why shouldn't ted cruz simply step aside for marco rubio, who the establishment of the republican party prefers to be the nominee? >> well, joy, i have to say, i find myself agreeing with many of the things jason said. this -- donald trump cannot be the face of the conservative movement of the republican party. but who should step aside, i think would be marco rubio. it's ted cruz who has already defeated donald trump in iowa and leads in votes ahead of marco rubio. so i think the two made a great team in the debate the other night. but it's important that we defeat donald trump, because you cannot allow donald trump to be the face of the republican party. the endorsement of chris christie, the governor of new
jersey where i am from, does not surprise me one bit. this is a case of birds of a feather flock together. it doesn't surprise me one bit that governor christie who is a prosecutor and believes in heavy handed government would support the authoritarian candidate running as a conservative in the republican party. >> and it's interesting, because we looked at that poll and one of the of little items in that poll, if we can put it back up is that ted cruz leads among those looking for somebody who is a conservative. he's leading among those who say they want somebody who is a committed christian. and so back over to you, jason. why shouldedant marco rubio be the one to step aside if the idea is the only way to beat donald trump is for the nontrumps to consolidate behind one person, doesn't steve make a good point? your candidate has not won a primary or a caucus. why shouldn't marco rubio stand down and allow ted cruz to be the anti-trump? >> i would start with the position that trying to decide who is more conservative, ted cruz or marco rubio, is trying
to -- arguing who is more handsome, george clooney or brad pitt. when it comes to conservatism, i think they are both demonstrated conservatives. i don't think anybody has any doubt about that. the point becomes electability and who can win in november. yes, ted cruz did win the iowa caucus the very first nominating convention that occurred. but then he subsequently got a bronze medal, third place, in three consecutive primaries and caucuses, whereas marco in the last two has come in second place. and i think has the real momentum. and when you look at national polls, he is the candidate that matches up best against hillary clinton in november. and the best position -- to unite the conservative movement. >> jason, how can you argue momentum and electability when your candidate has not won a single primary. i want to ask that, and also your candidate recently was sold the chris christie campaign sold to marco rubio its voter contact list. did you guys think that you were
going to get the endorsement, that marco rubio was going to get chris christie's endorsement? >> it's a common practice for fund-raising solicitation. i don't think that has anything to do with it. i do find it amusing that chris christie was willing to profit off the marco rubio campaign while he went and endorsed his fellow bully, donald trump. listen, momentum -- listen, look at the last two races. look at the last three. ted cruz has come in third place three times. marco rubio in the last two has come in second. we are outperforming ted cruz. and if you look at the polls nationally, marco is outperforming. when you look at who the conservatives around the country believe is the best candidate to win in november, it is overwhelmingly marco rubio, even more than it is donald trump. people are angry, and donald trump is tapped into that anger. he's exploited the frustrations of conservatives around the country, but people need to remember that it is not the failure of republicans to take the fight in washington, it's
that we have a democratic president, then we have -- we don't have a super majority in the senate in order to get our agenda enacted. so we are in the unenviable position of having to fight against a president and an executive branch that doesn't even abide by the rule of law. >> unenviable position of neither candidate beating donald trump. one last word, steve. >> joy, the problem here is donald trump is no conservative by any stretch of the imagination. the american people need to make a decision, reality over reality tv or principle over populism or for that matter, integrity over insults. if donald trump becomes a nominee of the republican party, he will lose to hillary clinton, and this massive amount of evidence, whether it's the failed -- the fraud case against trump university, his many bankruptcies in atlantic city, his using of illegal aliens to build trump towers, all these things over time are going to all work to collapse this campaign. >> yep. all right. this is just a one-word answer
from each of you. if donald trump is the nominee, will you support him? jason roe, yes or no? >> i'm not worried about him being the nominee. marco rubio is going to be -- >> no, yes or no. will you support him if he's the nominee? >> marco rubio will be the nominee. >> okay, that sounds like a no. steve, will you support donald trump? >> i can see ted cruz for president, marco rubio performed very well. he would make a great vice president. >> okay. i get nos. thank you very much. coming up next, hip-hop artist killer mike joins us to tell us why he's supporting bernie sanders. oots and burns its way into your day, i hear you. to everyone with this pain that makes ordinary tasks extraordinarily painful, i hear you. make sure your doctor hears you too! i hear you because i was there when my dad suffered with diabetic nerve pain. if you have diabetes and burning, shooting pain in your feet or hands, don't suffer in silence! step on up and ask your doctor about diabetic nerve pain.
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>> and that was michael render, professionally known in the rap game as killer mike, introducing bernie sanders last night here in south carolina. and that's an historically black college here in the state. and i am pleased to have aforementioned michael render, known as killer mike. >> thank you for having me. >> let's talk about you. we have been -- we haven't caught up with you in the act of salesmanship, but we have gone to a couple local barber shops where you have just left. and the impression you have left behind on undecided voters, black men, has been actually profound. you have actually turned out to be probably the most powerful salesman of bernie sanders' campaign. what is the elevator pitch you're getting to voters about bernie sanders? >> i mean, simply the truth. black men are not engaged in voting. black men are not encouraged to be engaged in voting. in fact, black men are shunned away. the unfortunate occurrence is we vote by way of a blood oath. by the way of civil rights. our vote was paid for in blood. i voted every election since i
graduated high school. i will forever do that. but what i tell black men is simply what are your thoughts and concerns? mike, my thoughts and concerns, first and foremost are police brutality. i had a conversation with a man yesterday, he was in tears, because he's afraid for his life still. he travels in a few weeks. i say there's only one candidate talking about holding police accountable. bernie sanders. what else? economics, mike. we worry about jobs. there's only one candidate talking about upping your money now. there's only one candidate talking about paying women fairly. one candidate talking about making 51% unemployment disappear amongst black youth. and that's bernie sanders. i trust black men and i trust black women to be intelligent and when presented with facts, i think they make the intelligent decision and i'm glad to know they have come to know sanders. >> let's take the pitch from the barber shop to the church. now you're talking to somebody -- my generation and older. and there counter what you said, killer mike, listen, we remember that in the '90s we had an
opportunity, prosperity, jobs. we know the clintons. hillary clinton came out of law school and worked here in south carolina on issues involving black male incarceration. she put forward legislation to try to end racial profiling. we know her. we don't know this guy. what is your argument counter to that? >> my counter is you know, policy. 51 years ago, one of those people were being chained to black people in protesting desegregati desegregation, bernard sanders. 22 years ago, one person said this is law is not fair. this super predator law, is going to unfairly hurt black and brown boys. and even though he signed once they put the assault weapons provision in there and violence against women provision, he still said i compromise. he still knows it was not the right thing to do and he'll say it. so for me, i think that policy. the policy that i was taught by my mentors, james orange, people like andrew young, people like joseph lowery, was a policy of social justice, as taught by dr. king. only one politician on the federal level since maybe jesse jackson who i have seen bring this policy into the public
discourse. and that's bernard sanders. i'm not telling you that hillary hasn't done good things. i'm not saying the clinton years were not good years. i'm saying more black boys were incarcerated under bill clinic than any other president. nafta took marathon anything else in the last 20 years. and we finally have a candidate whose policy matches our greatest hero and icon in america. not just black america. but dr. king. >> so i'm so glad you brought up civil rights movement and dr. joe lowry one of the lions who doesn't get nearly enough of the shine he really should. and you came up with that movement. these are the people who mentored you. does it trouble you, michael, when you hear people tearing down somebody like a john lewis, who are on your side in this campaign? >> it's wrong. >> does it trouble you? >> it's absolutely wrong to tear down john lewis. he has laid a pathway for all americans. there is nothing wrong with respectfully disagreeing with your elders. i respectfully disagree. i understand towing the line to the democratic party. i understand what you say
happened transpired in the last 40 or 50 years. you're sure it can be handled in the usual way through the democratic party. i would just say, i like the radical john lewis of 19 and 20 years old. i think that the radical john lewis of 19 and 20 years old would have been organizing on the side of sanders now. even if he isn't right now, respectfully disagree if you're 19, 20, 30, 31. respectfully disagree with your leaders so that you're still engaged after this is over. we all still have got to be black and take care of each other. but get up on bernie sanders campaign and work your butt off just like john lewis. >> let's talk about intersectionality. three women were from the university of south carolina, one undecided, one for bernie sanders, one for hillary clinton. we talked about issues of gender, race. you got in a little hot water for quoting -- it wasn't your comments, but quoting -- >> jane elliot. >> long-time gender rights activist on the issue of your uterus should not -- >> she said that shouldn't be the only qualification.
you have to stand on a format of social justice. it's important we get whole quotes in context. jane has worked on civil rights issues and on women rights longer than anyone in this room. so i have to trust her knowledge. i'm going to see her speak in st. louis in a few days. i say that to say, catch the whole context. the context requires every politician to step up and ramp up and be a about social justice. i just want to say, anybody who uses a word that our health teacher or gynecologists uses is not trying to demean women. i have five sisters, two daughters and a wife and mother and grandmother. i intend to disrespect no women. i'm from a community where black women have led, sues' parsons to cynthia mckinnie. i will not be placed in a role saying i disrespect women because i'm led by women. gloria is here, led forever. one of my heroes. do not let this turn into a gotcha game in politics. stay steadfast on the course of civil justice for everyone. based on gender, color, sexual
preference or whatever. i have said on "the view" and will say today, if all the rights were given to me as a black person in the world but came at the rights of women, lesbian or gay i would gladly push my rights back and say until we all have them, none of us will. >> one of the things i like about you, aside from music, you are an activist and were before you got involved. you didn't step up into this campaign and start this. let's talk a little bit about the trajectory of revolution and what that means. in 2008, barack obama could have never gone around with a brother named killer mike. that would have been impossible. now that can be done. you can have a candidate who can go around with someone like you and make this kind of a case. is that what revolution means? does it mean allowing the space for you to be a public figure? >> part of it is. i think our president is to be thanked. young geezy is to be thanked. part of the reason i have been going to the polls. so i just want to say first of all, thank you young geezy. you never got your proper credit
for that. i think my name is michael render and bernie sanders is engaged. killer mike is a character that kids watch sing and dance and a fun character. at the end of the day, 15-year-old michael render was an activist. 25-year-old was an activist. 35 and 40-year-old michael render is an activist. long after rap i'll be an activist and long after i'm gone, hopefully they'll talk about me more. >> what do you want to see at the end of the day? what are two things we want to see concretely for african-americans five years from now. we can say we accomplished something. black lives matter, these campaigns accomplish something? >> i would like to see the war on terror of black boys stop. from law enforcement and from a systemic place. and i would like to see educational opportunities that are college and trade oriented flourish in our community. and amongst black people, beyond politicians, i would just like us to realize, no matter what team we're on politics wise, no matter if we're liberal or conservative, the end game and the end goal is still freedom for us all. so after you argue over bernie or hillary or ben carson or
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meadow state and clinton is looking for a rally later today in alabama one of a dozen states holding nominating contests this tuesday. nbc's kristen welker has been following the clinton campaign and she joins me now. beyond south carolina, kristen, what is the clinton campaign strategy heading into super tuesday? >> well, their strategy starts in south carolina. they are hoping to rake up a big number here. they are hoping that they beat senator sanders, according to our campaign in bed monica who got new information by at least 22 points. that is the margin that senator sanders beat secretary clinton in new hampshire. so they think that would give them a lot of momentum heading into super tuesday. we have seen secretary clinton heavily courting african-american voters and they make up more than 50% of the electorate in south carolina and make up significant margins of the democratic electorate throughout the south in the super tuesday states so they are
critical to winning there. they are saying that if they run up large margins in a number of those southern states, what show hopes will be her firewall that she could come out of super tuesday with 100 point delegate count but don't think they will have the nomination knocked up but what they hope to accomplish by super tuesday. senator sanders, his strategy to counter that is campaigning in states where the race is closer. where, frankly, the electorate is less diverse. states like massachusetts, states like minnesota, oklahoma. the clinton campaign thinks he has a shot at winning some of those states, by the way. the challenge for senator sanders, you don't get as many delegates in those states that i just mentioned. the question is how much momentum could he have coming out of super tuesday? bernie sanders campaigning, by the way, in texas. he is not going to be here in south carolina tonight when the votes come in. instead, he will be in minnesota. that tells you everything you need to know about his strategy heading into super tuesday.
joy? >> kristen, just looking behind you, it's awfully empty! has it been that quiet in that polling place throughout this morning? >> reporter: well, we have seen a steady stream of voters come in. it has not been brisk by any measure. i've talked to a number of voters here. they say there isn't the same type of enthusiasm you saw in 2004 where a number of african-americans, a record amount turned out to vote for barack obama. what is interesting, though, joy, this year, according to these voters who i've been speaking with, they say, look, they voted for barack obama in 2008 and now they are excited to have the chance to vote for hillary clinton because a lot of them initially went into 2008 thinking they were going to vote for hillary clinton and changed their mind to barack obama. so one analyst saying this is a redemption vote, not only for secretary clinton but for a lot of the voters here in south carolina who, of course handed barack obama a big victor here in 2008. joy? >> very interesting. thank you so much, nbc's kristen
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♪ deep in the heart of texas, three days away from the biggest dealt prize on super tuesday for both parties, the lone star state and this is a look at the glorious capital of texas in austin. hi, everyone. i'm kate snow. we are live in austin at a taco bar once again. msnbc's home for the day in the state of texas. three days from voting here. the big news this hour, gop candidate marco rubio expected to release his full tax returns going all the way back to 2010
any moment now and will make remarks as soon as possible that happens and bring that to you live coming up. ahead of the big story line ahead of tuesday the gop supremacy roofed to personal attacks. here is snapshot. >> what we are dealing with here, my friends, is a con artist. he is a con artist. >> you get local life's like rubio saying horrible things, horrible things, and who needs it? really, who needs it? this is a low life. >> i'm endorsing the person i believe is the best person to defeat hillary clinton and restore american jobs, restore american prestige around the world, and restore the faith and confidence of the american people again. >> donald probably needs a life line after last night so he called in chris christie. i respect that. i have my fair shareholder of endorsements. >> let's talk about our lightweight senator in florida who is losing big in the polls. >> you all have friends that are
thinking about voting for donald trump. friends do not let friends vote for con artists. >> the day's other big headline, voting is going on right now in south carolina. it is decision day for the democrats there. the latest on that right here on msnbc. the place for politics is right here on msnbc. it is shaping up to be a busy day. not just here in texas but across the super tuesday states. here's a live picture now of the mt. perrin christian school in k kenesaw, georgia. any minute now, marco rubio will be holding a rally there. he and his republican rivals crisscrossing the south to make final pitches to voters in super tuesday states. look at that map. we will hear from donald trump in the next hour as he and rubio
resume their bitter feud. >> these are two desperate people. they are desperate. you know? the one guy in florida, he's down 20 points. rubio. i tell you what, they hate him in florida. they hate him. >> this is a guy who portrays himself as a tough guy. this is not a tough guy. he inherited $200 million and if not for that he would be selling watches in times square. >> a new poll conduct by msnbc and survey monkey shows trump in the lead at 39% and followed by rubio and ted cruz. bernie sanders and hillary clinton doing double duty today and making their final pitches to south carolina voters and making stops in super tuesday states as well. former president bill clinton also on the campaign trail. he wrapped up a rally in oklahoma a short time ago. here is what he had to say about the gop. >> i think it is a sad thing that we have a major political
party that has a debate in the presidential election where the three major candidates spend a minute and a half calling each other liars. what does that tell you? >> today's democratic primary in south carolina comes at a time when the online poll conduct by msnbc news and survey monkey shows clinton beating sanders by 11 points among democrats nationally. we have the 2016 race covered on all sides all over the country. jacob is here in texas talking to voters in this case. kase y hunt and luke russert is in arkansas with the trump camp. kristen welker in columbia, south carolina, following hillary clinton. whee! we begin with gabe gutierrez who is in georgia following marco rubio. any minute now, rubio expected to release all of his tax returns dating back to 2010
something he and ted cruz have pledged to do while badgering donald trump not producing his own tax returns. gabe? >> kate, good afternoon. >> reporter: marco rube jo is expected to rally here in kenesaw, georgia, any moment now. he is expected to speak to reporters. he is campaigning throughout the sauj today with a rally in the atlanta area and heading to alabama and arkansas. before heading to virginia tomorrow. now rubio's campaign says that he is continuing to label donald trump as a con artist. he started to at the debate thursday night. then at a rally yesterday in dallas. and also in oklahoma city. and his campaign says that voters should realize that rubio is the choice to unify the republican party. now, his super pac conservative solutions has bought $2.7 million worth of advertising in his home state of florida, showing just how high the stakes are there. still, one poll has rubio down by double digits in florida.
but the campaign is guaranteeing that it will win on march 15th. now we are expecting marco rubio at any point to release his tax returns and he is calling on the gop front-runner to do the same. kate? >> gabe, we will bring that to you just as soon as it happen. let's bring in msnbc chief legal correspondent ary and joy reid and they are joining me. talking about tax returns. marco rubio about to release some of his. ted cruz said he'll do the same. does that step up the pressure on donald trump? >> reporter: they sure hope it does. it basically creates a situation where the feeling as well, if everyone is doing it but trump, he stands out. let's not forget when donald trump said he is under audit, he made it very clear he is not going to release this so that is his stance. the last thing i'll say about marco rubio when he last
released his tax forms, he didn't do well with that. it basically put out information about his problems. now, a lot of americans have financial problems, so many people can relate to but some people saying he is for fiscal responsibilities it exposes he had to tap into his retirement account because he was running short on money and spent money towards a 50,000 lease on an audi 2015 car and people said he didn't need and having trouble to keep up with his expenses and he has to fix that. releasing your returns is a double-edged sword and says you're for transparency and they say donald trump is falling down on but it does open you up to more scrutiny. >> ari, we will be scrutinizing the tax returns as they come out, i'm sure. >> yeah. >> let me have you listen to 134 sound and talk about marco rubio in his change in tone the last 24, 36 hours. he is here is a sample of marco rubio going after donald trump.
>> what does donald trump do when things go wrong? he takes to twitter. lightweight marco rubio was working hard last night. this is true. the problem is he is a chalker. and once a chalker, always a choker. i guess that is what he meant to say. he called me mr. meltdown. last night in the debate in two of the breaks, he went back stage. he was having a meltdown. first, he had this little makeup thing applying like makeup around his mustache because he had one of those sweat mustaches. then he asked for a full-length mirror. i don't know why, because the podium goes up to here. >> heidi, this new strategy to go after donald trump working or not effective? >> look. it's the hail mary of the republican presidential primary that you are witnessing now. they have tried to take down donald trump repeatedly on substance. it doesn't help that they say the wall is impractical and doesn't help when they attack
him on his muslim ban and say if it's not constitutional. what are they doing? they are going for the main artery, the core of donald trump, who he is. they are attacking his personally. they found this new theme, kate, that he is a con artist and everything you're seeing now including calling on him to release his tax returns is going to fit into that new theme. and basically, they are, you know, trying to match the knife fight that donald trump began a long time ago in terms of just personally attacking everybody who comes into his path. >> joy, let's talk about the impact of the big news yesterday, chris christie endorsing donald trump. we went back and looked at something christie said just a few weeks ago in new hampshire. take a listen. >> donald has a lot of talents. he does. he's been a very successful businessman and he has lots of talents but he has no ability in this area. doesn't make him a bad guy. i think he's generally a good person. but you know what?
he has no business being president of the united states. and if i thought he did, i wouldn't be running. i'd be helping him. >> he is helping him now. funny how circumstances and time changes things. joy, do you think this is the beginning of a sea change where we will see a lot of republican establishment types moving into donald trump's camp? >> reporter: i don't think necessarily, no. i think that a substantial share of the republican establishment would like to see the aforementioned rubio ascend but not donald trump or anyone but donald trump. i think what christie provides to donald trump is a second attack dog to take down marco rubio and i think rubio is the target here. we were talking about the tax issue here and ari brought up a really good point. the problem for the establishment not they are not showing enough tax returns or not good at doing a lieberman act and attacking donald trump by reading mean tweets and being funny. that is not the problem. they don't understand the core
problem that all of these nontrump candidates have with the base of the republican party and all marco rubio is going to do is remind people his past tax problems was spending for the republican party of florida credit cards for which he wound up having to backpay taxes and it will bring up some of those things the new attack dog on the donald trump campaign, namely chris christie, can use against him. i think it's not effective. it doesn't really establish why somebody should vote for marco rubio for him to attack donald trump based on his spelling. >> we are heading into super tuesday. we got 595 delegates at stake across the states for republicans. so i don't know who wants to take this. what is the strategy going into super tuesday for any of these candidates for marco rubio in particular? >> i think for marco rubio, it's to basically survive some of these southern states where we know that donald trump is basically going to come out. we looked at polls that show he
is leading not only in super tuesday, but more problem matically in rubio's home state of florida. i think that is the big prize where he has got to start to move some of these numbers and later states and not get completely blown out in the southern states but that becomes harder because you've still got still a crowded field. if you listen to folks like kasich and the establishment lane or even ted cruz who is going to make it harder for him to get a decent margin in the south, they don't have any plans of getting out. and i think especially if cruz, for example, takes texas, then you've got this crowded, you know, anti-trump lane that continues to make it harder for anybody, especially rubio, to emerge. >> ari, she mentioned john kasich. haven't heard his name in a while. john kasich and ben carson, for that matter, campaigning in texas today. can either of them really make a dent on tuesday? what is their strategy in all this? >> john kasich's strategy is to
hang around until ohio and win that state and position himself to someone who has some quantum of delegates and some argument to be a running mate or a figure in the republican party. he probably leaves without a lot of enemies, which as we all know from watching the last couple of days, is an impressive thing to do in this republican primary. i think ben carson, i don't mean to be rude here, but the evidence supports the concept this is mostly a direct mail fund-raising tour for him and not a serious presidential effort to win votes and delegates and one one quarter he spent 70% of his money on fund-raising so it became this weird feedback group. they like him and like him and don't see him as a presidential candidates and the final point i would offer, kate, we are still seeing in this tax fight today, candidates playing by different rules. marco rubio, ted cruz are
playing by basically the establishment rules. you put this stuff out there, you deal with reporters. journalists, we like that because we can assess the information. donald trump doesn't play by these rules. he doesn't care what we think or say or what precedence or rnc says so his message put your returns out and let everyone attack and i'm not going to and willing to withstand that. as long as they don't find any other way to bring him to heal according to precedent he will run his own style campaign and whether people like it or not it's working so far to build a majority. is it working? only the voters will be able to tell us that. >> as we wait for marco rubio to come out, i think any moment now. joy, what about south carolina and democrats today? there is a picture of marco rubio shot. as soon as we see him, we will jump to that, joy. tell me about south carolina. clinton is so far ahead in the polls. what if she wins tonight, what
does it help us understand for super tuesday? >> i think one of the interesting things that has developed on the democratic side you do essentially have two lanes in the democratic party. one of which is compromised substantially of african-american voters and women over 60. and the other of which is compromised of largely white working class voters in much the way that donald trump is appealing to white working class conservative voters. bernie sanders really is building a coalition that is compromised in a large measure of white working class democrats and white working class liberals who are aligned with democrats. you see him starting to move toward states that have lower shares of african-american voters. the hispanic vote, of course, being sort of in the middle there. i think they are still thinking they might be competitive there. i have talked with african-american surthey are st at black historic colleges and
not giving up on it but you see in the south carolina race the seeds of sort of a fuj bifurcated and hillary clinton is more dependent on older set of voters. i think for sanders that is the challenge because the states that have lower shares of black voters have fewer delegates and the delegate rich states with a lot of voters of color is where hillary clinton is strongest. it's something sanders has to fix going forward and super tuesday would not be a bad time to start. >> heidi, as we wait for marco rubio and you're there in south carolina, polls close at 7:00 p.m. eastern time tonight. is anybody saying anything about turnout, what is expected in terms of voting? >> i think have a decent turnout. but, at the same time, i think it doesn't necessarily help hillary clinton that everyone is seeing the headlines that she is leading by such a huge margin.
you know, she really wants to have, not just a victory here but a rout. she wants to pummel bernie sanders so there is no doubt that she has a glide path going into these southern states. and you can see these other southern states. and you can see that bernie sanders, like joy said, is not giving up the african-american vote. in fact, i think i saw just within the past 24 hours, a very conflicted bernie sanders about whether or not he should start to punch hillary clinton really hard in the nose on issues that are important to african-american voters and you saw just yesterday at one event i attended in orangeburg, he hit her on the death penalty, he hit her on 1990s welfare reform. at one time he hard pivoted to call trump a demagogue and talking about hillary clinton's support for welfare reform and what it did to poor people. i think bernie sanders is definitely not conceding the african-american vote and i think that if you talk to his people, they are going to consider it victory if they get
anything over 20% which is about what they got in nevada in terms of the african-american vote and some polls show him getting about that much. just as a side note, i would say that, you know, a week ago, i talked to bernie sanders supporters and they were aiming more to 30% to 40% at that time. >> heidi, thanks. marco rubio at the podium now expected to release his tax returns. let's take a listen. >> we are going to do everything we can. i will be in this race as long as it takes. >> on thursday, make a difference in the debate? >> i hope so. we will find out but it's just the beginning of a process. as i said, he has fooled a number of voters around this country so far into believing he really is what he says he is. we look forward to examining his record over the next few days and weeks and we have confidence what that means. the republican party at the end of the day when this process is finished donald trump will not have the 1,237 delegates he needs to win and i will be in this race as long as it takes to prevent that from happening and being the nominee. >> do you expect to win on
tuesday? >> we will find out. we are going to keep working hard to pick up as many delegates we can and work forward irrespective of tuesday and feel good about tuesday and we want win states and delegates on tuesday and win states after tuesday. i can tell you this. i don't care if i have to get in my pickup truck and drive around the country like i did when i ran for senate. donald trump will not be the nominee in the states of lincoln and reagan. >> we have a great crowd waiting for us today and excited about the reception we have gonts and gotten here and feel good about our reception here. >> what is the message here? >> a conservative president. for the first time in eight years, you're going to have a president that follows the constitution and who embraces free enterprise and like reagan did. a president will confront our challenges and solve our problems and a president understands the challenges we
face but is also optimistic about the opportunity that awaits this country in the 21st century. >> senator, two questions. >> i'm sorry? >> how are you raising [ inaudible ]? >> how am i going to raise the cost? i don't want to raise the cost of higher education. i want it to be lower. i'm sorry. i apologize. i misunderstood the question. a big issue to me and only republican running talking about the costs of going to college because i had over a hundred,000 in student loan. marco rubio.com we offer a student investment plan that allows alternative to student loans and alternative accrediting models and allows you to have college credit without sitting in a classroom. we also furthered ideas about making income-based repayment the automatic methods of repaying loans because today people can't afford to pay back the loan payments they are facing and right to know before you go and provide students information before they borrow money and take out a degree they deserve to know how much people make when they graduate from
that school with a degree. >> senator, on tuesday, how do you make a claim to the nomination [ inaudible ]? >> we are in the proportional part of the process. as long as we are picking up delegates. the bottom line people need to focus in on takes 1,237 delegates to be the nominee of the republican party. donald trump will never have 1 thoi 237 delegates. it will not happen and i will be in this race as long as and as hard as i need to be to make sure it never happens and i get the delegates. >> a lot of republicans saying you have to win at some point. >> the about him line as the field continues to narrow down you'll see people rallying more to our side. a growing consensus in our party we can't nominate a con artist to be the head of the conservative movement and individual never voted in a republican primary and stands with hillary clinton on planned parenthood and neutral on israel and using their talking poise. if you are in favor of letting people die in the streets is a dream for the democratic party
to have a republican nominee like that. you know the media, you guys are sharpening your knives. as soon as he is the nominee they will descend on him like the hounds of hell and tear him apart for the horrible things he has done in his business career so we will will nominate a conservative as the head of the party. >> where are you, senator? >> we are going to win. we are going to win in florida and we are going to win in the early states. >> will you win anything else on the 15th? >> we will find out on the 15th. we feel very confident. this is not a traditional race. usually in a race like this people are pushing you and rallying at some point saying everybody needs to get out so somebody we are inspired about can wrap up the nomination. that will not happen with donald trump. the majority of the republican voters do not want donald trump as our nominee and support whoever is left standing to fight against him to be sure we don't nominate a con artist to be the nominee of this republican party in this very important election cycle.
>> why is kasich and carson still in the race? >> they have a right to be in the race. they have a right to be in it as long as they want to be in it. ultimately through process of voters and otherwise this race will narrow down. when it does it's a clear choice. when voters have a clear choice between two people that is when donald trump starts to lose so the sooner that happens, the better off we are going to be. >> senator, senator! >> senator! >> why hasn't trump released his tax returns? >> i think part of it he is not as rich as he says he is. this is a guy that inherited millions of dollars from his father. had he put that money in an index stock market fund he have as much money as warren buffett. instead he took that money on a bunch of risky business deals and part of the fraud he is p perpetuating and telling people he is successful in business and do the same for america. i hope not. he took four companies into total bankruptcy. this is a guy who had his creditors put him on an allowance. calls over the past 48 hours
bankers calling us and other people saying inside to donald trump. one of them when he took one of his companies in bankrupt they put donald trump on an allowance so probably of what con artists do. come to you and help you -- make you believe they are something they are not and how he got people into trump university and they realized it was a con and they lost their money. we will not let that happen to the rest of the country. >> senator, senator! >> would you not taken that aggressive approach three or mor months ago? >> i hope voters will see this what it is. we live in a different dynamic today and it's gone too far. it's clear if we are going to save the republican party from being taken over by a con artist we have to start making the case more aggressively and i'm more than happy to do it. the stakes are that high and that important. thank you, guys. i have to go out to the states. >> senator, senator! >> can we talk? >> thank you, guys. >> we have been listening to marco rubio talking with reporters in kenesaw, georgia. that was not exactly what we expected. we thought he might come out and
talk about his tax returns. we thought we might have some of his back tax returns released. so far i'm looking at my e-mail and i don't see any release from the campaign on that but we heard him talk quite a bit about the campaign and donald trump. marco rubio saying that donald trump will not have the delegates to be the gop nominee. one of my favorite lines from that press availability was he said i don't care if i have to get in my pickup truck and drive all over the country. donald trump will not be the nominee. let's go back to aurie and joy and heidi who are with us in south carolina. as that state votes on the democratic side, ari, we expect the tax returns at some point, right? >> we are. for the reasons we were discussing before he came out, what juched omped out at me wha saw was an energized marco rubio that wants to present donald trump as a lie on each of his
core claims. republican? no. he is not a republican of the party of reagan and lincoln as rubio just put it. businessman and real estate mogul? no. he is a con artist and his business dealings show that. the allowance thing, people in new york may remember that and very few others would and you will not hear it on "the apprentice" but a matter of public records and business litigation history that donald trump's financial history was so dire that the banks put him on a stipened amount of money he could spend monthly pursuant to the complex bankruptcies his businesses have entered into. translate what i just said, marco rubio called it an allowance. this is a relate show of vacation of the dialogue and discourse but the way marco rubio is trying to argue that donald trump is not the businessman super hero you've been hearing about, he's a guy who had failed business entities and put on an allowance by the banks and ran basically marketing con jobs that tricked
people that were so egregious there were civil suits about it. i should mention when i cover these things there was not a criminal finding of wrongdoing or anything like that related to trump university but it raised questions about tactics. i think when we are seeing from rubio and cruz as we saw the debate is a whole new phase of this campaign. and the whole idea that you're going to deal with donald trump like a normal candidate and point out that some of his plans are thin or don't have details or don't add up, i think we are way past that obviously. kate, we are into what we just saw there in this breaking news sort of gaggle that they call it with rubio. the argument there is something wrong with donald trump that he is not qualified that he is not a real republican and not a real businessman. those are tough words coming from someone who is trailing in this race. >> heidi, the language that you hear coming out of marco rubio now is reminiscent. is this effective?
certainly what marco rubio is hoping for. >> i don't know that it's going to be effective, just because when i think about what is appealing about donald trump, it's not any of these things and it's not really anything what he says, it's what he stands for. it's that all of his voters, if you look, you know, at the fact that he is winning across all of these demographic groups, what do they want? they want to smack washington under the head. so unless you come out with some kind of a real smoking gun from his taxes or something horrific from his past, i think they have done this a little bit too late. i think, you know, the thinking was at the time when donald trump was on the assent at some point he would self-destruct and it wouldn't help any of these candidates to be the guy who gets in his path and get blown away. you saw early everybody who did that from rick perry to jeb bush being the latest example, got blown away. now they are realizing they were wrong.
might i also add that in the meantime, democrats are way ahead of them in terms of gathering opposition research on donald trump. mike marco rubio said is all going to start flying if we get to the point it becomes clear that donald trump has his thumb on this nomination which we are getting close to that point. >> joy, a quick final thought on where we are in the gop race on a saturday afternoon. >> well, you know, i think the strongest part of the rubio argument is the one that ari mentioned, the notion of a con man and essentially donald trump is coning the people supporting him and the strongest argument because you can tie all sorts of other actual things googleable about donald trump whether bankruptcies of casinos and his university. the weakest part of rubio's argument and the part he keeps leading with is this defense,
prima facie defense of donald trump that trump did not represent the party of lincoln or reagan or ted cruz version of it he cannot represent conservatism. they are neither tied to the republican party or the conservative movement. they don't care about the future of the republican party and they are not listening to that. they are so marginally attached to the party and to conservatism they are ready to take somebody for republican nominee and locked in and states early voting is taking place they are voting. if you look at the early voters in florida who have cast absentee ballots donald trump is winning because they are passionate and locked in. the others are not as passionate and fishing and looking for an alternative. those voters are the ones who maybe care about the future of the republican party. the question is -- are there enough of those voters and is it too late to consolidate enough of them behind one candidate who
can actually stop donald trump from getting a pleurality of votes during the convention. that is not clear at all and i think the problem the party is having and mitch mcconnoll say they will drop donald trump like a hot rock if he is the nominee. >> thank you all for hanging with me. coming up, a report from the trump camp to hear if he is saying anything new today. we will be right back, live here in austin, texas, from gutierrez taco bar. stay with us. ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪
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jacob rascone. >> we have 200 people showing up here and on track and more than 2008 according to the people working here who were here in 2008. the voters as we asked them, many of us don't tell us but some offer it are overwhelming supporting hillary clinton. some of the younger folks say they are supporti ining bernie sanders. we just met a nice family who were split. they had one sibling going to bernie and one for hillary and a rivalry back and forth. it's been a steady stream of people coming in. they give their names, they make sure that they didn't vote, of course, in the republican primary or absentee. once that is clear they go over here and they get to choose between not only bernie sanders and hillary clinton, but martin o'malley is still on the ballot here. another gentleman from chicago by the name of willie wilson,
said there are four options. the micro chips in these stations are taken over to the county and the votes are counted. >> i remember my grandfather and my mother talking about how much they wanted to vote, and how happy my mother was when she could vote. >> well, when i turned 18, i registered to vote. always felt like my ancestors and forefathers fought for me to vote so i need to vote in every election, no matter, how big, how small. >> what does it mean for you to show up this morning and vote? >> for my voice to be heard and also to stand, not just for young people, but to be a leader for them that would encourage them to come out and so make their voice be heard. >> reporter: those were some of the first in line. we also talked to very
interestingly one gentleman who came here and he didn't know who he was going to vote for. he did a little interview with us. then he went in and he said that his -- it was telling him bernie sanders. he liked bernie sanders' ambition but he ended up going with hillary clinton, expressing what a lot of people have told us they want to choose the candidate who can beat donald trump is what they say. kate? >> jacob rascone, thank you. we will bring you the results of the democratic south carolina primary and a look ahead to super tuesday. our prime time coverage begins at 6:00 eastern with brian williams and rachel maddow and chris matthews leading the charge tonight. we approach super tuesday, republican-led legislature here in texas passed a new voter i.d. law five years ago and after a big battle back and forth in the courts, the law still stands and
it requires all voters to have a photo i.d. to vote and only certain forms of photo i.d. are acceptable. the democratic party has been worried about what those requirements might mean for turnout here on super tuesday. joining me now to talk more about this and all things texas and politics, msnbc contributor victoria de francesca who is a professor at the university of texas. >> good to see you here. >> i had a great breakfast taco, although i'm a breakfast burrito fan. >> you're in texas. you can't say that! >> i'm sorry. >> it's okay, kate. >> but they were good. really good. >> it's okay. i love it. let's talk about this law we just mentioned, this voter i.d. law. i was telling you that i met with a woman who is trying, she is 86 years old and lives in a senior living home and having a hard time getting an i.d. because she doesn't have a driver's license and her daughter is trying to help her
out and might vote absentee ballot because that is the only way. what are you hearing about what this law is doing to voters here? >> folks say what is the big deal? you need an i.d. to get on a plane and an i.d. to do different types of things but there are folks, especially lower income and elderly who don't have access to photo i.d. aside from all of the documents that you need, that you need a birth certificate which costs $22 to get we are in texas and it's a big state. for some rule, folks, you have to drive four hours, three hours to your dmv. if you're someone who can't drive any more or doesn't have a driver's license, put that on top of all the logistical difficulties of getting your forms together and there is that travel and some dmvs aren't open every day of the week. that is so difficult. we need an i.d. yes, kate, the vast majority of texans do have i.d.s but is there a chunk, close a million
that don't. and in democracy we should watch out for everyone, not just those who have an i.d. >> i was reading on the law and you can bring a concealed carry permit and that qualifies as an i.d. but a student i.d. doesn't? >> yes. three or four years ago i was able to use my university of texas faculty i.d. to vote if i wanted to and now i can't. being on a college campus, i see this a lot. young students are interested in politics, they want to vote, but, you know, they don't have a driver's license, they don't have a car and live on campus. if they had that college i.d. to use, it would enable them to participate more freely. >> as we head into super tuesday here, i have to ask you. you were sitting here listening to marco rubio and watching donald trump. >> yes. >> what happens here with ted cruz on super tuesday? he is way ahead in the polls in the lone star state. it's his state. he is the senator from this state. could he lose to donald trump here or do you think cruz has it?
>> you know, with this time, anything can happen and put my arms up. i do think ted cruz has such a deep support. when you look at the details of the polling, you see he has very strong tea party support and republicans here in texas are tea partiers through and through. tea partiers aren't as close to donald trump as they are, say, to ted cruz so i think ted cruz is going to keep that lead. but donald trump is on his heels. >> victoria, thanks so much. >> thank you. >> thank you for with us. republican front-runner donald trump, speaking of which, is due to speak this afternoon a half an hour from now. luke russert is out in bentonville, arkansas, where that rally will be held. already a big crowd out there, luke. what are you seeing? >> reporter: hey there, kate. i'm at an airplane hangar in bentonville, arkansas. the town that walmart built. people are filing in and rowdy crowd got here five to six hours in advance, the first people in line.
an interesting day to hear what donald trump has to say. he is already tweeting out some comments saying ted cruz is a liar and marco rubio is a lightweight and the reason he hasn't released his tax returns he's in the middle of an audit. a day where "the new york times" dropped a huge story talking about mitch mcconnell saying if trump is the nominee they need to drop him like a hot rock so we will see if he comments on that. obviously, the big news yesterday, chris christie, a huge endorsement for donald trump. take a listen to what he said about that this morning on fox. >> i'm not sure what endorsements. i've never really understood it but i did think that chris christie endorsement meant a lot. i think the sarah palin endorsement meant a lot. i think that -- >> do you think these -- >> meant a lot. i think certain people really do help, no question about it. >> reporter: kate, that chris christie endorsement was huge. i spoke to some voters here and they said they love it, they like chris christie a pugnacious
leadership style and view him as a strong leader and you often hear them talking about in donald trump. what i find very fascinating, though, is chris christie, former chairman of the republican governors association, he has a vast network of donors, people that like him. who knows if they follow him down the trump trail. however, if trump does end up fund-raising at some point, chris christie is a guy who could help him out on that. i asked one voter would you like to see them on a ticket? he said that would be a literally tough ticket. maybe chris christie and new york and new jersey, vp and presidential pick. >> chris christie tried to tamp that down yesterday. not going to happen. i'm going to retire and go into private industry and make money is what he said? >> reporter: they always say that! >> luke russert, thanks so much. that event is supposed to start about 15 minutes from now. well, of course, bring any of it
to you live as donald trump takes the stage. meanwhile, gop candidate john kasich is holding a town hall in nashville, tennessee, at this hour. he meant with supporters in memphis last night and said his style will ultimately resonate with voters. >> you know, the way i think you win an election? is you talk about who you are, what you've accomplished, and what your vision is. i don't think it's about getting down and wrestling around in the mud. i think it's telling people what you're for and bring america together and not spend our time attacking one another. that's what i think. >> let's bring in trent duffy, national spokesman for kasich for america. trent, nice to see you. you and i go back to our days when i covered capitol hill. good to see you again. >> good to see you. how are you? >> i'm doing well and at a taco bar, how could i not be great?
>> it's actually the white house, kate. >> let me ask you about your candidate, john kasich and his messaging. if you look at nevada, if you look at the last time gop voters went out to the polls, it was the caucus in nevada. he ended up with 4% of the vote. as you head into super tuesday, he is not leading in any of the polls. donald trump is way ahead. what is your path to victory? is there even a path out there? >> it's actually the only path left, kate, for someone to stop donald trump and it goes through super tuesday where we expect to be competitive in states like virginia and tennessee where the governor is today. we didn't compete too hard in nevada and we have been outspent quite a bit and john kasich is still standing and had a great debate performance earlier this week and showed his president bona fide. he is right. the trump/rubio fight is like watching the itchy and scratchy show. this is a presidency we are talking about. these are serious times. we had a terrorist attack in this country earlier this year. the budget is a mess. jobs are a mess.
and john kasich has an executive style leadership. business path to the presidency and the nomination is clear. he can win ohio, as you pointed out earlier in the day marco rubio is down by double digits in his home state of florida. we are seeing the rubio campaign are now on their sixth strategy in as many times. his path becomes cloudy. but "the washington post" earlier this week pointed out -- yes? >> sorry. i was just going to say ohio isn't until march 15th. >> that's right. >> a lot of analysts are saying how do you hang on that long? >> we hang on by competing on super tuesday and gathering delegates along the way. before ohio, you have michigan, where we have a very strong ground team. our campaign manager is from michigan and we plan to doing well there. illinois is also coming up. once this campaign and this race start to break into the midwest where national campaigns are won and lost and where john kasich starts to gather some momentum. i really should point out
because on the other side of the equation, the democrats are going to elect, you know, hillary clinton today. they are going to put her over the top and she is the nomination. poll after poll, nbc news showed that john kasich continues to have the largest margin against hillary rodham clinton in november. john kasich is a serious leadership in the serious times and has the experience and wants to take it to washington the way he did in the 1990s. >> trent, let me ask about chris christie. john kasich has admitted and said i tried to get his endorsement and hoping chris would come over and endorse me. clearly, that didn't happen yesterday. how big a blow was that when donald trump shows up on that stage yesterday with chris christie? >> well, it was disappointing. the governor worked closely with chris christie but chris christie was right two weeks ago as you played on your air today. donald trump is a businessman
and not president of the united states. if trump is the nominee, we not only lose the white house, we lose the senate too and what is at stake in this election and why i think cooler heads will prevail that john kasich is the last and only chance for the republicans to elect a real strong leader to take this country forward and get america moving again. >> trent duffy with the kasich campaign, thanks for being with us. appreciate it. >> thank you, kate. take care. >> you too. marco rubio's attacks on donald trump may be going into overdrive with the help of a super pac. the group reportedly just raised about $20 million in the past week for an onslaught of ads attacking donald trump but is it too late? that is coming up next. (pilot speaking to tower over radio)
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time there is anger, a lot of change and great stuff comes from that. >> a little update on the item we have been talking about this hour. marco rubio's campaign now saying he will release his former tax returns a little later this afternoon. ben carson is the only republican campaigning here in texas today, a state that will be a big payoff in terms of delegates for both republicans and democrats here on super tuesday. latest poll in texas showing senator ted cruz in the lead by 15 points in the gop race here. and with 155 delegates at stake for republicans, nbc's jacob is over in ft. worth, texas. i'm jealous. you got to go to a rodeo. which candidate did people tell you they were thinking of supporting? >> it was fun last night. a lot of donald trump support there, despite ted cruz being the hometown guy and the hometown senator. i just qanscanvassed in this
neighborhood. it was an entirely different story over at the rodeo. take a look what people had to say there. who are you leaning towards? >> right now still leaning towards donald trump. >> reporter: >> reporter: over your hometown guy ted cruz? >> i've been a businessman 25 years and i think washington needs somebody to take care of business. >> i don't see cruz doing anything positive. i know there is a lot of talk about donald trump not doing a whole lot of things but i think he is going to do a lot of positive things. >> if i had to pick right now, ted cruz. >> hometown senator, right? >> not only that, but he called donald trump out and i think he made valid points. >> i'd love to go for cruz but because the polls are in trump's favor right now, i choose for the winner. >> reporter: tarrant county is a
bellwether. the results here were identical to the statewide results so if ted cruz wants to beat donald trump, he has to do well here. >> jacob, thanks. marco rubio is speaking to the crowd in kenesaw, georgia. let's take a little listen to what he is saying. >> the guy with the worst tan in america is attacking me for putting on makeup! donald trump likes to sue people. he should sue whoever did that to his face! all right? so let's move on. because this is an important election. why am i so fired up about this? this is not just because i want on to save the country from a con man and not because i want to save the country from a con artist but this election is so important for our future. what is at stake here is not just through the next presidency. >> talking about makeup is that what that was?
that caught us by surprise! we lost the shot out of kenesaw, georgia. is it back again? let's go back again. >> placed us on a road that will leave as the first americans leave our children worst off than ourselves and that is the road we will stay on if we nominate someone who cannot win. the media will take him apart. there is two reasons. one -- >> we have been listening in there. marco rubio in kenesaw, georgia. going after donald trump, repeating some of the same lines we have been hearing the last couple of days calling him a con artist. msnbc political annist and senior policy adviser former to
the rand paul campaign elise is with us right now. you've been writing about donald trump and his power over the electorate right now. can marco rubio dent that? >> i think it's going to be tough for rubio to but i'm really glad he is finally started attacking trump in the way that hurts trump the most by making fun of him. 2016 has not been an election about policy and i think the mistake so many candidates made by ignoring trump and focusing on policies, focusing on attacking trump as not a real conservative. and voters just haven't cared. i feel like trump, it's good that rubio is finally taking the fight to trump but it's going to be really tough for him to still get a majority of delegates if he doesn't rack up any wins before march 15th. rubio is planning on a very strong march 15th showing where there are three really big winner take all states and hoping he can get some momentum to win in those states, ohio, florida, illinois. there is also missouri that day and north carolina.
but it just might be too little, too late. but at least he is trying. >> i would note you wrote in "time" magazine you're worried about the collapse of the modern republican party opinion . an interesting read for folks to pick up. that wraps up this hour of msnbc live coverage. my colleague chris jansing is on her big road trip and she is joining us from tennessee, nashville being the fourth stop on her super tuesday road trip. up next, she will talk all about donald trump and the evangelical vote. stay with us. staying in rhythm...
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brisket and country music. this weekend the conversation is a lot about politics. the excitement about the republican race is so unbelievably high. parties are predicting record turnouts on tuesday. donald trump is here later and ted cruz was here for a religious broadcasters convention and john kasich is here now for a town hall and marco rubio will come to town on monday. today is also a critical day for democrats because south carolina voters are making their choice right now between hillary clinton and bernie sanders. the map tells you bernie sanders is trying to play the long game and already in texas and minnesota. hillary clinton starts her day in alabama before ending her night in south carolina as the results come in. she is hoping to close the door with a resounding victory. but it is the republican contest that is dominanting the headlines. all anyone is talking about is the nasty battle between marco rubio and donald trump.
it's clear that if rubio is going down, he won't do it without a fight. >> let's talk about our lightweight senator from florida who is losing big in the polls. >> what we are dealing with here, my friends, is a con artist. >> you get low life's like rubio saying horrible things, horrible things. and who needs it? really, who needs it? this is a low-life. >> this is a guy taken trump airlines bankrupt and trump vodka, nobody wanted it and trump mortgage was a disaster. trump university was a fraud. >> the most critical day so far in this presidential race, super tuesday, where republicans are fanning out from alabama, arkansas, georgia, and tennessee basically following the same super tuesday swing we have made the last four days. we have marco rubio and donald trump speaking this hour in two southern states and we have every angle covered for you this hour with our reporters bringing us the latest from the campaign trail. let's start with marco rubio who is expected to release his full
tax returns any minute now. this is a live picture in kenesaw, georgia, where rubio is speaking before a football field of supporters. moments ago, he talked to reporters and made this prediction about this nomination fight. >> my pickup truck and drive around the country like i did when he ran for the senate. donald trump will never be the nominee. it takes 1,237 delegates to be the nominee of the republican party. donald trump will never have that many delegates. >> on tuesday, georgia will have 76 delegates up for grabs behind only texas. nbc's gabe gutierrez has been following the rubio campaign in kenesaw. as we watch that, gabe, we have news today of a rubio super pac getting into the fray, spending millions of dollars in 14 different states. let's talk about the momentum game how they want to steal it back from donald trump. what is he talking about today? >> because when i am president -- >> hey, there, chris.
you're watching marco rubio right now in kenesaw, stepped on the stage a few minutes ago and is trying to hammer that point as you mentioned, that the republican party cannot be trusted, he says, to donald trump, a person he is labeling as a con artist. he is hitting that message over and over and over again! ! this crowd is eating it up. earlier today the rubio campaign said they plan to release his last few years of tax returns. that was late in the morning. now they say this afternoon. a few minutes ago, rubio spoke with reporters and here is what he said -- here is why he said that donald trump has held off releasing his tax returns until now. take a listen. >> i think part of it he is not as rich as he says he is. this is a guy who inherited millions of dollars from his father. had he put that money in an index stock market fund he would be one of the richest people in the world and have as much money as warren buffett but instead he took that money on risky business deals and part of the
fraud he is -- >> reporter: we are learning how much rubio's super pac backing marco rubio is spending on ad buys. in florida alone, $2.7 million and more than quadruple what it's spending in texas and michigan and other states and shows how high the stakes are for florida, his home state which votes on march 15th. later today, rubio heads to alabama, arkansas. tomorrow, he heads to virginia. >> very busy day. keeping to the importance of this weekend, gabe gutierrez is in ken saw, georgia. thank you. luke russert is in bentonville, arkansas. home to walmart. waiting for donald trump. the campaign over there knows it stole marco rubio's thunder on friday and a little help obviously from chris christie. talk a little bit about where they go from here. >> well, yesterday was a significant day for the trump
campaign because with the christie endorsement, they got somebody who not only is widely known but was also chairman of the republican governors association, so he does come with some establishment streak. he is also a pugnacious fighter in politics. talking to people here today they like the fact that christie and trump can go around and be tough fearless leaders. what i find interest, is that bit of news that broke this morning of "the new york times" detailing the discussions that senate majority leader mitch mcconnell and other republicans have had coming to grips with trump being the presumptive nominee. mcconnell saying we have to drop him like a hot rock. interests to see if trump talks about that at all today. he has gone after rubio on twitter today calling him a lite weight and calling tes cruzd cr liar. this is really, i think, from folks we have talked to here,
this will be trump going all in against rubio, against cruz. really trying to define the differences with them ahead of super tuesday. arkansas has not had a lot of polling here. the polls they have had have th shown them to be rather tight. all of the candidates around in the 20s. a few minutes ago, sarah huckabee, the daughter of mike huck huckabee was here and getting the crowd excited. >> luke russert who is in bentonville, arkansas for us. look at these crowds that are coming out this weekend. that is a plane. but the level of enthusiasm is incredible. i think i see -- yep, looks like a trump logo on there. donald trump is about to come in. nobody makes an entrance, boy, like donald trump does. from new york elise jordan,
former senior adviser to the rand paul campaign and a msnbc political analyst. as we wait for donald trump i want to play what he said this morning about his endorsement from chris christie. >> honestly, he is the one endorsement to me that really meant a lot. frankly, sometimes they want to have dinner and let's get together for two hours and let's go to a movie together. just like, you know, it's too much work! i'm not sure what endorsements mean. i've never really understood it. >> so -- >> wow! >> sounds like he is both preshive of the endorsement and dismissive that it makes any difference. >> sounds like he doesn't want to take the time to explain his position to those who presumably would endorse him. you know, this is just another example of donald trump breaking absolutely all of the rules of a presidential campaign and winning. he is rewriting the playbook in such a huge way. i mean, you look at how, right
now, his claim, his -- i think it's a 787 plane, something he is sensitive about, is swooping down to bringing him to the campaign stop with that huge logo emblazoned on it and it's absolutely crazy. the christie endorsement is a huge deal, though, for trump, because it gives him the first real stamp of approval from someone who was a popular establishment figure. so i think trump should be pretty grateful for it. >> stand by. i want to bring in our panel of tennessee political insiders. haley mason is with wsmv and marsha black burn a republican congressman whose district includes the suburbs of south nashville. good to see both of you. >> absolutely! >> it's been a while. >> it hachlt. >> i think the last time we saw you, people were asking you about running for president. >> right. >> let me talk about the front-runner donald trump as we watch his plane about to come for a landing. this is someone who said planned
parenthood who helped millions of women and called for legalizing drugs and some say he sounds like bernie sanders on trade and called for an end to tax loopholes for the rich. does he represent your republican party? >> i think what we are seeing is the republican party is a very diverse party and a very big tent. where you see the democrats kind of coalesce around one single position on any issue and kind of stick to talking points, you see much more individualism in the republican party and you see -- >> is that a broader -- or is that confusing for people -- >> no. >> who thought the republican party stood for a very specific set of principles? >> when you look at the basics, you say, okay, they are for making certain that our nation is secure, for a strong military, for jobs in the economy, for making certain that retirement security is there. >> don't you think those are the same thing the democrats say they are for? >> but -- no. they look at it and say government will tend to these
things and when you look at the republican party, chris, they are saying, all right, we want individuals to have the ability to do these. you know, i think it's very healthy to have 17 people who are qualified and talented out there running for president. tuesday is, indeed going to be the s.e.c. primary and the super tuesday. you've got a total of 595 delegates that are up for grabs in these primaries. people are excited and they are interested and they are going back to school on politics and they are paying attention. they are sick of inaction in washington, d.c. of the status quo and, quite frankly, i think the robust debate is very healthy. it's an outsider year. and so look at the guys that are left standing. it's pretty much outsider candidates. >> haley mason, you've been out there. you, obviously, live and work here in nashville. >> yes. >> what do you see feeling this as you've been out talking to voters? >> i feel people are excited
that tennessee has a spotlight on us right now. we are talking about early voting numbers. tennessee broke its own early voting record the last record was set in 2008. more than 385,000 people showed up to vote early this year in tennessee. they are expecting more than a million people to vote on super tuesday. our secretary of state said that it's because of the spike in republican presidential candidates coming here. people know that tennessee is not a state that you can afford to overlook in the so-called s.e.c. primary with tennessee and the six other southern states. so we are talking about candidates like ted cruz and ben carson both here yesterday, as you mentioned, john kasich here, all making schedules and last-minute stops like hillary clinton coming tomorrow. i think that a lot of people realize that their voices are being heard. there is a strong push to take back the white house, if you will, from the republican party. >> i guess the question really is -- is it being driven by, you
know, the economy, other issues? or is it a little bit like that roadside accident that you don't want to really look at a but you can't help yourself? let me play a little bit of what we heard in just the past 24 hours. this is just a fraction of it. >> how does this guy not one tweet, three tweets misspell words so badly? and i only reached two conclusions. number one -- that is how they spell those words at the wharton school of business where he went. or, number two, just like trump tower, he must have hired a foreign worker to do his tweets. >> he is a nervous basket case. here's a guy, you ought to see him -- wait. you ought to see him back stage. he was putting on makeup with a trowel like this. no. i don't want to say that. i will not say that he was trying to cover up his ears. i will not say that.
>> i guess the question is, elise jordan, going back to you in new york, is this invigorating the republican party are we seeing the end the republican party as we thought we knew it? >> people to pay attention. it's bad in the sense that the republican party is basically being turned over to a bully and i've been very upset that i feel like the party and a lot of the candidates haven't stepped up to the plate to attack trump. this is someone who just, today, is threatening the first amendment. he is threatening the very underpinnings of our democracy and our freedom, and it's so incredibly disturbing. >> there is a defeat trump movement that is going on and they are starting to put out ads. in fact, millions of dollars are being spent, a number of conservative super pacs coming together to hit trump on his record. let me just play for you a little clip. >> how much do we really know about donald trump? a federal court ruled that
trump's company hired illegal immigrants to help the construction process for trump tower. >> trump uses sleazy bankruptcy laws to avoid paying workers. he bans disabled veterans from his high-rise. he even tried to use eminent domain to kick a widow from her home. >> i spent $30,000 at trump university and all it did was ruin my credit and ruin my life. >> is what we are really here, congressman, a fissure in the republican party what they are trying to protect as what they see core values and another group, who, frankly, they are tired of losing the white house and they see trump as an opportunity? >> sure. let me give you a couple of examples of what i think is going on. first of all, in tennessee from '99 to '02, we had a four-year state income tax battle, fighting against imposition of a
state income tax. at that point in time we kind of reshaped our republican party. and the grassroots really took hold. it was kind of the tea party before the tea party was there. i think we are accustomed to this and we view this as new people coming to participate -- >> but you've never seen anything like this. >> well, no, i think we have. here is the second. last night, my home county, suburban nashville, williamson county, had a dinner. you had about 500 people there. i would say fully a third of those, the first political event they had ever attended. we had a great straw poll. ted cruz won that straw poll. he was followed by marco rubio and he was followed by donald trump. people are energized. they are sick of what is going on in washington. the inaction, the lack of credibility for getting things done. people have expectations. they are not being met. i think that the engagement is
very good and that our constitution and the american people are going to be the winners in this. >> you were telling me you were out talking to cruz supporters and some of them are turned off by this rhetoric, this back and forth. in fact, cruz said today i am not going to be a part of this essentially food fight that is going on between marco rubio and donald trump. >> they see that as entertainment. more of a sidebar than really what will change the country. some people support it because they say donald trump is saying the things outloud that they are thinking in private. but on the other hand, cruz supporters that i spoke to at his campaign event yesterday, said they want to focus on consistency and they don't feel that donald trump is consistent in his message and that is one thing that they say ted cruz is about, consistency and, as he said, doing -- saying what he will do and doing it. >> but we keep hearing this, elise jordan, we keep hearing from the other candidates. donald trump has not been
consistent, he has flip-flopped on the issues. where is the policy? one of the kits on the debate this week was when he was really pushed on his alternative to obamacare, he daebidn't have an answer for it. despite what ted cruz and john kasich said today, which was really about how do we get the issues out there, i'm going to keep to policy, i'm not going to get involved in this back and forth, which has gotten increasingly nasty, are they kidding themselves? that doesn't seem to be where we have been this year. >> this election has been a -- personality with donald trump. unfortunately, he has been able to command the air waves by being just a superior performer. and knowing how to dominate the news cycle and play on those terms, candidates are going to have to attack trump, they are going to have to get in the game, they are going to have to try to dominate media the way trump has been doing. i think it's incredibly important for these candidates to step up and make the fight
personal against trump because, so far doing it on policy grounds just hasn't worked. >> i also want to bring in phil who is a democrat and former two-term governor of tennessee. thank you so much for joining us. >> my pleasure. >> we are waiting for the plane of donald trump to land and we have been talking about this back and forth that we have seen. i want to read to you from an article from today's "the new york times" as we see the plane taxiing in there in bentonville, arkansas. it's about social media. we know this has changed the way politics has done these days. quote, with his enormous online platform, mr. trump has badgered and humiliated those who dared to cross him during the presidential race. he has latched on to their vulnerabilities and mocking their physical characters and personality quirks and sometimes their professional setbacks. he has made statements later been exposed as false or deceptive only have they have ricocheted across the internet. yet, governor, you see his plane
pulling up. he is, in some people's minds, already the presumptive nominee and if he isn't may well be by the end of super tuesday. what do you make of the lay of the land of presidential politics right now? >> i tell you, i think all of us who are -- i guess insiders, elected office and part of the process, in retrospect, really been kind of tone deaf about sort of how estranged a lot of americans feel from the political process and just how concerned they are. i think donald trump is the indication of that and the republican party. bernie sanders, in a way, reflected that in the democratic party as well. i hope whatever happens in the election, i hope it's a wake-up call for all of us that there really are some people who are feeling very estranged from politics. >> i want to ask both of you who are in elected office, governor, how do you know what it is to
win and run statewide, how did that miscalculation happen? was that divide so broad and so deep? >> you know, i think any time you get into an office, you become governor, for example, the pressure is always -- like we tend to think of the world as being this world this, you know, one mile circle around the state capital and that where the media is and that is where the lobbyists are and where your fellow elected officials are. it really takes, i think, a real act of -- really searching to realize that isn't it, that it really is much broader than that. in fact, it's not even really representative of what people are thinking. i think we all fall into that trap, more or less, and i think certainly politics in washington has fallen into it big-time and there are a lot of people who are looking for someone like a donald trump who says i'll come in here and i'm going to shake things up. >> congressman blackburn, do you feel as though policy doesn't
matter this year? he doesn't even have a policy director. when he is asked for details, he always says we are going to win, it's beginning to be better than it's ever been before, but details have been very thin. is that okay? is that okay as long as he has done what he has so successfully done and probably what made him a billionaire? he reads people very well. he reads situations very well. and he will try to fulfill the will of the american people. is that where you stand? >> well, i think what we are seeing -- and the governor just talked about shaking things up nap is what the american people want. they are so sick of overregulation and overreach coming out of washington, d.c. and needs not being met and they are looking for somebody to shake up washington and reduce the size of government. >> can marco rubio and ted cruz do that? >> they both have been outsiders in the senate. i think has is why you see the two of them still in this race.
they are the ones -- it's an outsider year. people want things to change and they didn't see that change with barack obama. they didn't see it with john boehner and mitch mcconnell leading the house and the senate. they want things to get done and they want the epa out of their factories and the irs out of their wallets. they want to be able to live their lives without interference from the federal government and they are sick of this. and they don't care so much about experience this year as they want to know what you have done. what are the results? what have you delivered? how have you changed the situation so that it helps them. i think -- you know, it's a kitchen table economics year. it is a national security, we don't want terrorists in our neighborhood. bear in mind, we had the terrorist attacks in chattanooga. then you had them in san bernardino. this is a very real fear with american moms. >> haley, when you go into one
of these rallies and you were saying the most recent one you went in to was cruz, they seem to be the anti-trump. they don't like this kind of rhetoric. they want specifics. but what are the issues that are resonating with them? >> still some of the similar issues but in greater detail. i recognize immigration is still a huge issue even for cruz supporters. jobs are still a major issue. the economy is still a major issue. and the idea of taking back washington is still an idea that resonates with cruz supporters, but they want specifics and they want consistency and they say that cruz, speaks a constitutional values and that is, by and large, every single person i talked to in that room yesterday, mentioned his constitutional beliefs and that is something that they leaned on, that they said they did not see donald trump and they did not see our governor -- current governor's endorsement of marco
rubio as a threat either. they said they are voting for the policies and the ideals of the party is not what is popular at the time. >> marco rubio in kenesaw, georgia. let me play for you something he just said. >> he is flying around on hairforce one, and tweeting. he put out a picture of me having makeup put on me at the debate. which is amazing to me that a guy with the worst tan in america is attacking me for putting on makeup! donald trump likes to sue people. he should sue whoever did that to his face. >> he should sue whoever did that to his face and he is calling it hairforce one with an "h" the trump plane that we are seeing. governor, have you ever seen anything like this in presidential politics?
>> no, not in my lifetime in presidential politics. it's -- it's -- it's concerning to me we have come to this point. >> is it concerning to you as a democrat? as we wait for donald trump to come off the plane and we have seen his success and it is -- it's remarkable. give credit where credit is due. he defied every single prediction pretty much. should the democrats be worried? >> you always ought to be worried. every election for spres a competitive election. >> yet, they were so dismissive of donald trump for months and months and months. now it seems like people are starting to set up and take notice. >> they are. and, obviously, he has a lot tighter scrutiny to undergo in the months ahead than has happened so far. you know, my concern about this is that -- i think the genius of our system is that it recognizes that there are lots of people with different views of the world and different views of what is important and the
founders had the genius to put together a system that accommodates those and let you move forward. i frankly think both parties are sort of guilty of transgressing that and taking the position everything we believe is correct and everything the other person believes is stupid or worse. and what we are seeing today, i think as i say, i think with the sanders campaign as well. i'll be honest with you and also with trump, although they are, obviously, different people. is people who are just playing and taking the extreme positions i have all of the answers and no one else who feels differently can possibly be right and that is dangerous to our system. >> there is an appeal in certainty, saints there? don't people want that now? i mean, is that what is going on with donald trump? >> haley just made an important point about what people were talking about, going back to the constitution. and that is where they want their certainty. how does the constitution -- how
do we fit within that model today and they are looking for certainty from federal agencies. like the fdic and s.e.c. and the epa and the irs and the fda and the ftc, they are tired of the uncertainty that is there but they come back and they say, how do you stand on the constitution? you're going to pass a bill, show me where it is constitutional, where the federal government has the right to be into this or that activity. >> so we saw coming off that plane with donald trump, obviously, chris christie there who surprised so many people yesterday with his endorsement. if donald trump either runs super tuesday or comes close -- i'll hold that question. let's listen in now as he introduces donald trump. >> that he is going to work every minute he can to become the nominee for president.