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who want to fight back. the truth is you can't change a corrupt system by taking its money. i'm bernie sanders. i approve this message. join us for real change. good evening. 6:00 p.m. on the east coast, where for one more hour, voters will still be going to the polls in the state of south carolina. we have an interesting night to talk about here ahead. yes, it's a primary night, but reporters are using phrases like victory all but assured for hillary clinton. so while we're passed that story, and while an hour from
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now, we'll see how we characterize this race, there is so much more to talk about. like how much of the obama base can she ignite and excite to get out there during a year of suppressed voter turnout for the democrats? all of it will be part of the discussion we will have tonight, rachel. >> this is a more exciting night than the expected results would indicate. if only because, we're sort of waiting for a clarifying moment in the democratic race. at the very, very start of the democratic race, hillary clinton was seen as the prohibitive front-runner. but now we've had a series of contests so far that have essentially been split decisions. we had essentially a tie in iowa. hillary clinton winning by less than a fraction of 1%. in new hampshire, it was a bernie sanders blowout. and in nevada, we had a hillary clinton solid, about five-point win. so the question tonight is whether tonight will be a clarifying moment. the polls all say that hillary clinton will have a very good
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night. the candidates' travel schedules suggest that she's also going to have a good night. bernie sanders will not only not be in south carolina when polls close tonight, he's expected to be in the air, on his way to minnesota. >> on a non-wi-fi enabled aircraft. >> that's absolutely correct. that's the most body language you can get out of a candidate in terms of not expecting to win. but we'll be looking for a decisive margin. we'll be looking for decisive proportion of the vote, particularly among african-american voters, as we head towards super tuesday, which is just three days away, where half of the states are going to be in the south and they're going to have very, very heavily black demographics on the democratic side. >> chris matthews, unlike either candidate, is on the ground in south carolina. chris, good evening. >> good evening, brian and rachel. i think we've been talking a lot in the early contests, for example, in vermont and iowa, about how unusual the ethnic makeup of those states is, in terms of being all white, basically, or very much white, especially in vermont.
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down here in south carolina, we have a very different situation. we have a minority/majority down here. african-americans, and of course, that all goes back to history. the agriculture down here, the cotton culture, the history before the civil war. a lot of african-americans have done historically a large population of african-americans, even in the slave days. and it's a fact tonight. and i think you're going to see tonight that represented in the final results, the clintons have a long history of being a family that have been elected in a very conservative straight arkansas, for all those years, more than a decade, they were down there representing a pretty conservative state, having to rely, largely, in fact, regularly, on the african-american vote. so they had a real kinship, politically, with the african-american community down there. on intimate terms with the people. so i think that chemistry is a big issue. it takes a while for a white candidate to be blunt about it, to win the trust of the black community. you can't just walk in and say, i'd like your vote, because i have the same ideology you might have or voting habits. you have to show them who you are personally.
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and i think the clintons have that fantastic advantage. so as we saw last week, guys, back in -- seems like 100 years ago, in nevada, they had the advantage of harry reid working the inside for them. here they have the african-american vote working for them. so these are not true tests. it's still up in the air, this race. we have not yet seen -- when we get to massachusetts on this tuesday, when we get to michigan, when we get to illinois and ohio and florida. we're going to see big state verdicts on these two candidates. and that's when we're going to know how close this fight is going to be. >> chris matthews joining us from south carolina. chris, we'll be checking back in with you very shortly, here in new york city, we're joined on-set by lawrence o'donnell and "washington post" columnist, gene robinson. pleasure to have you here. we have steve kornacki on set with us, and steve has a look at what we know, basically, about who has turned out in south carolina. this is from exit poll dating -- exit poll data. steve, what are we learning so far? >> this is the first wave of exit poll data that's coming in.
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we can tell you what the electorate's looking like. chris was just talking about the large number of african-americans voting in south carolina. check this out. >> wow. >> what we're seeing, 61% of the democratic data is african-american. in 2008, when barack obama got that huge victory in south carolina, it really put him on course for the nomination. it was only 55%. so right now, we are seeing more african-americans turns out than we did eight years ago. let's look at the ideology. how democrats were voting today. you can see, 23%, very liberal. 29, somewhat liberally. interestingly, this is the fourth democratic contest we've had so far. this would be the least liberal democratic electorate we've seen in any of these early contests, but early, it's continuing a trend we're seeing. and that is that overall, every state is more liberal now on the democratic side than it was eight years ago, in that great clinton/obama contest. you add those very and somewhat liberal voters together, people calling themselves liberal in some way, 52% in north carolina, it was 44% eight years ago.
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you can go right down the list, every state we've seen so far, we have been seeing that. more liberal now than it was eight years ago. and finally that question that's sort of driving this campaign in many ways, should obama's policies be continued by the next president or should they shift in a more liberal direction? you're seeing from these voters in south carolina tonight in this exit poll, overwhelmingly, they're saying, stay the course, 70% continue obama's policies. only about one in five say, take those policies and make them more liberal. that's sort of the numbers we're seeing early on here. >> that's amazing. >> steve kornacki at the big board. >> 89% either want to continue the president's policies or make them more liberal. >> yeah. >> that is a very specific electorate. >> that will vary from some of the other states. >> absolutely. >> we go to here. gene, you are a south carolinian. >> i guess i am. >> lo and behold. what would you like to say about your home state? >> well, look at those number who is turned out. it's amazing that the percentage of african-american voters and the democratic electorate increase from 2008.
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>> yeah. >> that's a finding i wouldn't have necessarily expected. i wonder if it's -- what the raw numbers are. more black voters, fewer white voters, either could produce that effect. i would like to see the overall turnout and see how -- >> you're thinking that it may indicate that it's a lower overall turnout. so even though it's a higher proportion of black voters, maybe the overall voters -- >> we don't know. we don't know. >> and we probably won't know turnout tonight at all. >> very interested to see that. you look at the ground, you couldn't design terrain that would look theoretically better for hillary clinton to give her a boost into super tuesday. >> lawrence, do you see it that way? >> yeah. and the thing i'm fascinated by, though, in these exit polls about liberal, this is a democratic party that has spent more than a generation running away from the word. michael dukakis had to keep saying he was not a liberal as he was being accused of being a liberal by the incumbent republican president bush. finally, in october, in october,
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michael dukakis admitted, okay, and tried to live with the world, but couldn't find the language that could make the word acceptable. and here you see it being embraced, as never before. >> and it's interesting, you know, i don't know, somebody should do polling on this. i don't know if democratic voters, democratic primary voters would say, compared to 2008, that they support a wildly more liberal set of policy positions, between 2016 and 2008, but i think that you're right. that the tag, the name "liberal," that as a moniker has lost its status as an epithet and democratic voters are really embracing it. >> i wonder, if you step back for a second, i wonder if at the end of this election cycle, we won't have to revisit that kind of conservative to liberal spectrum that we all have in our heads, like, what's conservative and what's liberal? that certainly seems to be completely scrambled on the republican side. i'm not sure it's exactly the same as it used to be on the democratic side. we might, you know, political scientists might want to rewrite
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the book on what's conservative -- >> and political practitioners have made these terms as malleable, or as popular or as unpopular as they need them to be. >> and we'll be looking at the effect on the republican race on the democratic block to see if it, you know, engenders excitement. >> that's right. exactly. the turnout numbers, we probably -- you get anecdotal turnout information. that's one of the things we'll be looking at in the next hour, just looking at polling places. if you're in line to vote in south carolina, or heading out to vote in south carolina, you've still got time. polls in south carolina do not close for another 51 minutes or so. it will be interesting to see if we get some hard numbers, but we have seen anecdotal reports of pretty light turnout tonight on the democratic side. >> this may well turn out to be eugene robinson's night, because his hometown is staked out by us. jacob rascon is in orangeburg at the polls. jacob, i'm assuming what you've seen there is in line with this story line that, look, turnout has been suppressed in this
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cycle on the democratic side. victims of the so-called excitement gap with the republicans. >> in fact, brian, we have our 411th and 412th voter today at brookedale elementary. and that, in fact, is nearing record numbers. so this area, this precinct is a little different than the story line, because they've been tracking the same people who have been here, were here in 2008. and they say that the voter turnout now is as good or better than it was in 2008. and, of course, we've seen a big mix. those who are willing to talk to us, about who they're voting for. most of them say hillary clinton. mostly, we have an older generation here, 40s, 50s, 60s, and as old as 92 years old. and then we have a lot of the younger folks. some of them say they're voting for hillary, but others say they're voting for bernie sanders. we have mixed families. a lot of enthusiasm, for some people, but for others, they
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say, okay, i'm voting for hillary, because i believe she'll go on and go all the way, but i'm not terribly enthusiastic. >> the electability question. jacob rascon in a very quiet school library. our congratulations to voters 411 and 412. but to rachel's point earlier, if you're in south carolina, if en route to the polls, if you had any intention of voting, please do. the clock at the base of the screen shows what we're counting down to, a little bit over 48 minutes away. our first break and we'll be right back with more of our live coverage after this.
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we are back, and this is, candidly, a view of presidential campaigns you don't often get to see. a sparse crowd. last night, orangeburg, south carolina, at a bernie sanders
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rally. in the business of politics and the business of political advance, the old bromide is, the smaller the room, the bigger the crowd. but you saw the press risers in the back. you saw a crowd kind of arranged around the candidate. but a lot of empty seats. it's emblematic of the challenge that bernie sanders has had in south carolina. but again, a view from the side, you don't often get. >> and a very interesting contrast with what he experienced -- that was last night in orangeburg, south carolina, he was at an historically black college there. and then he went to austin, texas today, and got 10,000 people to turn out in an absolutely frenzied crowd in austin. so bernie sanders has generally been able to turn out absolutely enormous crowds. crowds bigger than the trump crowds that donald trump likes to brag about so much. but in south carolina, even heading right into the vote, it has not worked out that way for him. steve kornacki has got some more data for us in terms of where the vote is expected to come in
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from for each of the candidates tonight. steve? >> take a look at this. this was the map of results from 2008. this was the big win for barack obama in 2008. nobody thought it was going to be this lopsided. he won by 38 points. the green counties were the obama counties in 2008. he won most of the state. a couple things to focus on that we're looking at tonight. this was hillary clinton's only win in 2008. the purple was john edwards, he grew up in that area, in south carolina. but, the interesting thing to keep an eye on here is sort of, this section of the state, roughly speaking, there's heavy black populations in here. jim clyburn, the only democrat, the only african-american in south carolina's congressional district, represents a lot of this. these were barack obama's best counties. there are five counties roughly in this area where barack obama got more than 70% of the vote against hillary clinton in 2008. they were hillary clinton's worst counties and barack obama's best counties. what we're looking at tonight with the clinton campaign focusing so much on the black vote, this could be her best
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area of the state tonight. basically, where she lost it in 2008 could be where she wins big, if her plan comes to fruition tonight. >> steve kornacki at the big board. thanks. and let's check in with the traveling clinton campaign. kristen welker is there. and kristen, the candidate, left today, had an event in alabama. she is coming back into the state for what's expected to be a victory rally tonight. >> reporter: that's right. and i understand she has already landed here in south carolina. she's at a nearby hotel with her family, waiting for the returns. the clinton campaign, the candidate herself, feeling incredibly confident, as we wait for the polls to close. campaign officials saying they are hoping to match or beat senator sanders' win in new hampshire, which was 22 points. so they're looking for the same margin. they say that would give them big momentum heading into super tuesday. as you all have been talking about, her big lead here has been fueled in large part by african-american voters. they make up more than 50% of
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the democratic electorate here in south carolina. they make up a large portion of the electorate, throughout the super tuesday states, throughout those southern states, of course, secretary clinton looking for a southern firewall on tuesday. she has been out aggressively courting these african-american voters, as you know, and it is something that seems as though it has paid off. the campaign hoping that if they win south carolina by a big margin, it will put this race out of reach for senator sanders and consider this. more than half the delegates in the democratic nominating contest, up for grabs over the next month. one anecdotal note, we interviewed a lot of voters today. many of them said they were voting for secretary clinton, including 102-year-old woman, who said she voted for president obama in the last election cycle. she voted for secretary clinton today, but she just wants to see a democrat win. sort of encapsulated the entire day. guys, back to you. >> kristen welker covering
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hillary clinton. kristen, thanks. kristen's right. in the brutal business of politics, a lot of the clinton partisans hope tonight starts to end the bernie sanders conversation. to continue our conversation to chris matthews, columbia, south carolina, with some special guests. chris? >> thank you. i have special guests, representative john king of the legislature here in columbia, and representative terry alexander. now, you're with hillary clinton. what's the pitch for hillary clinton down here? >> i think that tonight is going to be a great night for us. i think that she has captured the vote from old to young. i think that when i was in my district today win saw families coming out to vote for hillary, it didn't matter about their age or demographics or economic status. they were wanting something fresh and new and felt that hillary is the one and they were out voting for her. >> representative alexander, what was the push for bernie sanders today? >> the push for bernie, they're wanting a change in washington, wanting to do business differently for the people of this country, and that's what bernie has been pushing for from
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the beginning to the end, that we need to do business differently. it's not working for the people of this country right now. >> where's his strength? >> i think his strength is in the young folk and those revolutionaries who are thinking that this government is not working for them. that's young, old, black, white, hispanic, the whole nine yards. they're wanting to see something different for their people. >> are there any fights within families between two people? >> there are some fights between families, yeah. >> tell me about them. >> i think some of them are saying, you know, they're voting hillary because of the clinton name. not because of hillary, but because of the clinton name. i think that's what's generated a lot of interest for her, not her policies and principles, but 20 years ago, 30 years ago, her name. those younger folks are saying, listen, this thing is not working for us. >> how do you hold off that movement toward the new guy, even though he's older than hillary clinton, he's the new guy on politics, bernie sanders? >> what i found in my district, i found there's a lot of uninformed voters who are voting for bernie sanders. people who do not usually vote, they do not understand.
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>> is he bringing in new voters? >> he is bringing in some new voters. i will say. >> do you smell political revolution? >> i do. >> that's his phrase. >> but i will say, it will help the entire democratic party come november, when hillary is the nominee. >> okay, great. we're back with brian. that was the voice of two different points of view down here, brian. >> chris matthews in columbia, thanks. another break for us. when we come back, we're going to check in the sanders' campaign after a little change of tone for them today, it's almost as if they were more mindful of donald trump than hillary clinton. back in a moment.
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i believe that donald trump's idea of dividing us up is a horrific, un-american idea. i believe that not only can we win this democratic nominating process, but we can defeat trump and defeat him soundly.
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>> do not adjust your sets. bernie sanders is not running against donald trump. he is for the time being, and tonight in south carolina and next tuesday, running against hillary clinton. and to show our homework a little bit, the talk of this studio and among us has been an incredible article in today's "new york times." >> about the republican effort to -- the anti-trump effort within the republican party. but with bernie sanders, heading into south carolina tonight, where he is not expected to do well, looking ahead to super tuesday, where even if he does well in the states that he wants to do, he's still going to be hundreds of delegates short of hillary clinton, even on that individual night. bernie sanders needs something new. and if the whole country is talking about donald trump, bernie sanders talking about donald trump, portraying himself both as a general election candidate, but also trying to capture some of the trump, for and against sort of zeitgeist
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right now in politics is a notable change for him, whether or not it's going to be enough to boost him in the states he needs to win. >> almost makes you wish we could talk to nicole wallace, a veteran of the bush administration. >> i don't know where she -- oh, there she is! hi. >> reporting for duty. >> we've been so looking forward to talking to you. >> yeah, i was until i read this. >> "the times'" piece? >> yeah. >> "the times" piece is about the character of the anti-trump effort within the republican party. you find it depressing, because why? >> i just find the timing so interesting. we've talked -- even in our conversations, we've asked, why hasn't there been a stop-trump movement, and there were 17, the other republicans running against him. so this notion that there's a -- and "the new york times" reporting goes a long way towards dispelling the notion that there is some establishment. i read this article and thought about that movie, "the sixth sense," where bruce willis were dead, we just didn't know it. i read this article and it's perfectly clear.
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>> i see dead people. >> what is interesting to me is that chris christie changed that whole calculus for me. >> sure did. >> boy. >> he is, i think, the single most talented prosecutor of a political argument on the republican side, in this cycle. and he wasn't successful in his own run. but i think sometimes a prosecutor is more effective prosecuting a case on behalf of a client than he is on his own. and we've seen him since that stunning endorsement. chris christie endorsed donald trump yesterday, since the moment of that endorsement, and i think he was on the stump with him today when we came on the air, i think it represents the most seismic shift in the trump candidacy so far. >> because it makes him that much more viable. because it just takes away the biggest weapon that could be used against him. >> and the piece we're talking about is sort of this establishment with his hair on fire. chris christie is republican establishment. he's the chair of the republican governor's association. you don't get anymore establishment than the governors who run the states. that is the republican establishment. the republican governors are the best part of the republican
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establishment. so you've now got the head of the rga, the former head, endorsing donald trump. it makes the case a lot harder >> so that says to you there isn't going to be an effective anti-trump effort. whatever it is -- >> i don't think it is anyway. i mean, rubio still running a legitimate anti-trump endeavor, right? he is running against trump and that's a legitimate anti-trump movement. if rubio can come along and pick up enough delegates, i'm told by folks who know a lot more about brokered conventions than i do is that it is possible and that his team has the right stuff to pull that off. that's a legitimate anti-trump endeavor, as is the kasich candidacy, as is the cruz candidacy. but i think fred malik has a great line in this article, or somebody says, if there's a smokey room somewhere in washington, none of us knows where -- clearly. >> and it doesn't exist anymore, if it ever did. a fascinating piece of reporting in that piece is that donald trump actively, actively courted
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chris christie's endorsement. >> sure. >> whereas, others, like marco rubio, not so much, right? marco rubio left him a voice mail. trump invited him over, you know, with the wives and they got together. >> they have a long-standing relationship and he worked for him. >> he worked this. he called him every day, to get this endorsement. it's interesting, you know, who's acting like the veteran politician and who's not? >> well, his political instincts are the reason that he's dominated the republican race now for seven months and folks close to christie's thinking told me this week that he saw the race as settled after tuesday night and he did not believe that cruz or rubio had the goods to take it to trump or hillary clinton for that matter. >> explain to folks how it is you believe chris christie will be more valuable an asset to donald trump than he was a candidate in his own right in this race. >> because he is answers and
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speaks to what i think is trump's vulnerability, even with his supporters. they worry about his -- i don't want to use the word "temperament," because you know where you're going to go with chris christie, but there is a chunk of dicey ness to pressing the button or voting for trump. and christie may be a controversial governor, but he is an effective governor. he has worked with both parties. he has, you know, cory booker speaks about getting things done. chris christie has a record. and he has been a governor under the klieg lights. you know, we covered, you spent a lot of time covering his political challenges, but he is tested. and i think for him to go in, in his prosecutor role, and to both defend trump against charges about trump university, which rubio raised in that debate. rubio had the potential to really run this week and continue to prosecute an anti-trump case, more effectively than anyone else in the race. christie came in and just shut it down! >> and that's the key here. that's the key here.
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>> i think what christie's doing, he's essentially vouching for trump's stability and viability. >> correct. >> those two things that voters -- trump voters worry about. keep saying, no, no, no, he's a stable guy. >> you guys are so high-minded about this. >> i was just going to say, yesterday was third grade. you're bringing this into high school freshman year. >> what chris christie is, is a marco rubio killer. chris christie slayed marco rubio in new hampshire. right now, the only weapon being deployed against donald trump, that has any chance of being effective, is marco rubio. so donald trump got himself a marco rubio slayer. and so that's it. he's now got the anti-rubio elixir at his disposal with this guy who looks like his running mate. this is high-minded, vouching for him and great, but it comes down to that he can take care of trump's number one problem. >> keep our guests low-minded throughout the evening.
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another break for us. 6:31 eastern. we're within a half hour of polls closing in south carolina on the democratic side. back with more right after this.
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. we are back, as democrats still going to the polls in south carolina. the polls are open until 7:00 p.m. eastern time, at which case we will have a characterization of this race. some indication of the campaign donald trump has run, here we all are, talking about the chris christie effect in the donald trump campaign, because all of life goes back to the godfather. in mo green terms, steve kornacki made his bones on chris christie. he joins us now to discuss the christie factor in the trump campaign. >> you know, christie's always talking about the jersey style,
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jersey politics, and one of the things about jersey politics is, you don't forget things. and i think that's the key to understanding what's going on here with marco rubio. rachel, you were talking about christie sort of playing the rubio killer role in this. well, where that came from is chris christie honestly believes that it wasn't for marco rubio, he, krachris christie, would ha won the new hampshire primary, would have come out of new hampshire with a ton of momentum, and right now would be the main candidate running against donald trump. >> why does he think rubio stole it? >> when you go back to november and december, chris christie had traction in new jersey. he was moving up to double digits, got the endorsement of the union leader. he was doing the things he's best at. what happened is, the rubio people noticed that and they had a plan for new hampshire as well. the rubio super pac in early january dumped a ton of money on to the boston and new hampshire airwaves on negative attack ads against chris christie and
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christie believes that killed his momentum and that's the reason he didn't win new hampshire. you can so ethe calculation shift in that final week. as soon as iowa happened and marco rubio came out of iowa with that surprising third-place finish, christie, his first event the next day in new hampshire, the first thing he talked about wasn't why chris christie should be president, it was why marco rubio shouldn't be president. and that's what he did in the debate, and that's what he's doing for donald trump right now. >> that was amazing. i remember watching that press conference and seeing christie so head up that day in new hampshire. and that's why he was talking about marco rubio being the boy in the bubble. and saying it's a two-man race between him and marco rubio. i was like, you're pretty far behind marco rubio. i don't know if it's a two-man race, but he was loaded for bear for rubio right after iowa, and now that has, i guess, that has now changed the course of the race. >> what else do you have on your big board for us. >> the only other thing we're looking at the democratic side, we've been talking about the importance of the black vote. south carolina sort of sets uh as a test. what's happening tonight, the clinton campaign is relying very heavily to win the nomination on the black vote. and tonight is the first test of
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that strategy. you see it right now, where the democratic race stands. in delegates, hillary clinton slightly ahead of bernie sanders. but again, here's south carolina tonight. if she gets a big win with the black vote, specifically in south carolina tonight, they are looking ahead to this coming tuesday, because a bunch of states, they're calling this, remember, the s.e.c. primary. a bunch of southern states, big southern states with a lot of delegates are going to be voting on tuesday. so if she's getting the big number with black voters here, check this out. this is the share of the electorate. in the s.e.c. primary that's coming tuesday in these southern states, going back to 2008, the last time we had a democratic race, look, over half the electorate in alabama was african-american. over half in georgia. 30% in virginia. nearly 30% in tennessee. even texas, one in five voters were black, also a large hispanic population. and look at the delegates that are up for grabs here. if hillary clinton tonight, this is the test. if she wins south carolina in a runaway, if she wins the black vote in a runaway, it strongly suggests she's going to turn around and win a bunch of states
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on tuesday, similarly, by large, wide margins, and because these delegates are all given out proportionately, she could win the lion's share of the delegates in a lot of these states. this is the path that her husband, bill, took to the democratic nomination, when he ran all the way back in 1992. remember, he lost new hampshire to paul saungs. he lost the maine caucuses after that. he got his first win in georgia and rolled through the south, getting 80% of the black vote. that is where bill clinton got his huge delegate advantage. and it is the same strategy that is relying on this time. >> luckily, we're all so young, we don't know any of this modern political history. another break for us. when we come back, andrea mitchell will join us among others. we're inside just about 20 minutes until polls cloe in south carolina.
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ist i have been looking forw to being here. having this opportunity to talk to yo just a few days before we have the primary on super tuesday, march 1st. because i know there are a lot of people in this state who want to continue the progress we've made, who want to keep moving forward together. >> hillary clinton on the day of the south carolina primary, importantly, in alabama. you heard her talking ahead to super tuesday. it's been a given, if you ask pollsters and reporters, her likely victory tonight. let's go to andrea mitchell and let's talk about this expectation game. we were saying earlier, you know well, the clinton forces would like very much for tonight's
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result ending the sanders' conversation in the party. >> absolutely, brian. look, they are trying to run it up, run up the tally here in south carolina. they've been ahead in every poll. and having just come from south carolina, i spent a lot of time watching them campaign there. they blanketed the state. they did not leave anything to chance here. they had bill clinton, they had hillary clinton, they had chelsea clinton, they crisscrossed the state, and most importantly, they had jim clyburn, mr. democrat of south carolina and you know, his protege, jamie harrison, is the democratic party chair, who is not partisan here, and has been studiously avoiding any kind of endorsement. has to as the democratic party chair. but when jim clyburn weighed in, everyone in orangeburg, south carolina, knew what that meant. and when you go to these events and see her appeal to the older african-american women, this is the beauty parlor vote. this is what people are talking to. and jamie harrison is saying to
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me, look, his appeal is on economic issues. it's on income disparity. but when he talks about it, he talks about citizens united. he talks about the pacs, that she has a pack and he doesn't. he talks about campaign finance reform. he talks about wall street. her economic message is all, you know, aimed at your kids, your education, their student debt, what you want for your children. she understands the language of these southern african-american older women. and we don't know whether, as it turns out, she will have appeal to the younger african-american voters, as much. she's had a problem producing, you know, votes among young people. she's gone to the black campuses. but he's been really resonant there. we saw bernie sanders today in austin, texas, with an enormous crowd. that's what he's hoping to achieve. he's been in super tuesday states. but the other thing he did that i think was a big mistake, and it depends on how this turns out, and in his speech nevada, he said, on to super tuesday.
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he never mentioned south carolina. and people over and over again were telling me that that really offended them. >> andrea mitchell, whose first rodeo this is not. >> thank you, andrea. this issue of the expectations for hillary clinton tonight is super interesting. let's bring chris matthews back into the conversation from columbia, south carolina. chris, we heard tonight, earlier from the clinton campaign, clinton campaign told kristen welker tonight that they expect to match or beat bernie sanders' huge 22-point margin in new hampshire. i expect that they do want to match or beat that. is that a dangerous thing to say out loud to a reporter, though? because it essentially sets them up that if they only win by 15 points, it doesn't look like a win. >> they must know what they're talking about, how about that? i think they know what they're talking about. and it's the new ballsy thing in politics to say you're going to win, when you know you have to win. like cruz says he has to win texas. he's right. because if he loses, he's out of the game anyway.
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the same with rubio in florida. in this case, i think everybody knows that clinton should do really well down here. and rachel, i think it's the same as we saw last week. it's no so much a successful battle for the future. the clintons are winning with the past so far. jim clyburn, their history with the african-american community, developed over decades and decades, going back to 70-something, '74 when bill clinton ran the first time for the house in arkansas. that's a long history. same with harry reid last week. so the clintons have the past. do they have the future. does bernie sanders have enough clout and oomph to really win that political revolution he speaks about, within the democratic party, first, before he even faces the nation? and i'm not sure he does. but we'll see. he certainly has the big crowds in the liberal, progressive cities. austin is a city we all love, pause it's a very progressive city. we want to go to hang out. i was wishing we could have our operation down there next week, instead of houston. but it is a liberal town with a lot of students. the university of texas, of course. and so bernie's dominating up in cambridge. my daughter's up there.
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he's dominating the campuses, but can he break out of the campuses and beat the old democratic establishment, which is the clinton family. there were the kennedies and now there are the clintons, the clintons are the democratic party. the republican party, i wonder if it still exists. but we're watching tonight, i believe, the base of the democratic party, which is african-american, supporting the establishment of the democratic party, which is the clintons and you're right, they're betting high tonight, they're pointing to the fence. they're saying, we're going to hit a home run right over that center field. and they better be sure they're going to do it. and i bet they are sure, or they wouldn't have said it, rachel. >> that's probably right. they're pros at these things, after all. >> i'm being told this next break is going to be our last. and when we come back, we will take you to and through the top of the hour. at 7:00 eastern time, we expect to be able to characterize this race, where voters are still going to the polls in south carolina. so, one last break, we'll be back.
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coming up on 6:52 a eastern time, now we're on the air to bridge through the top of the hour. we'll be here live when the polls close at exactly 7:00, we will be able to characterize this race at exactly 7:00 eastern time. let's check with both campaigns, starting with correspondent kristen welker, covering the clinton campaign. kristen? >> brian, you can feel the excitement starting to build here in what the clinton campaign hopes will be a victory party. her officials telling me that she is in a nearby marriott, with friends, including alexis herman. that's the former labor secretary, when she was the first lady at the white house. i am told her speech was written, was worked on while she was traveling here from alabama. that's what she was campaigning earlier in the day. again, the campaign feeling incredibly confident. they are hoping that they win by
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a large margin to give secretary clinton big momentum heading into super tuesday. brian? >> kristen welker with the clinton effort. and let's go to kasie hunt and it's germane where kasie is, because kasie is in texas. we had to hold her in texas and not send her ahead with the sander's campaign in minnesota, because the candidate is scheduled to be in the air when the results come in tonight. so kasie, thank you for dropping back to talk to us and what are you hearing from the sanders' campaign? >> i'm happy to be stranded here in austin, texas, brian. >> it could be a lot worse. you're one of the great places of the united states. >> reporter: right. no, that tells you everything you need to know, right? that he's still, as far as we know, in the air on the way to minnesota. i'm sure we'll hear from the campaign as soon as they do land. but that tells you where their focus is, and they're already looking even past super tuesday, because, remember, super tuesday
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is also difficult for them in terms of the demographics. if you look at south carolina, the african-american vote, many of those southern states have similar issues. they're going to be looking to states where the demographics are frankly much less minority. brian? >> all right. >> kasie, thank you. let's also go to chuck todd now. chuck todd, obviously, we've had a little bit of a split decision thus far in the democratic primary. how important are these results tonight, given that it's expected that clinton's going to win? >> it's expected, and i think she needs a big win. and it looks like the writing seems to be on the wall. everything about this electorate is exactly the way the clinton campaign would have asked for it. i am still stunned at how little effort bernie sanders put into south carolina. how little effort bernie sanders is putting in in half of the super tuesday states. there is every chance, just with the combination of how sanders has put together his strategy for super tuesday, which is not a strategy to win, but a strategy just to accumulate enough delegates to get a good speaking slot at this point, you have that combined with momentum
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that clinton could get out of south carolina. and then, suddenly, we're in a different conversation. and then, suddenly, in fact, i think you'll hear it tonight. be very -- listen carefully to clinton's victory speech tonight, assuming that is what she's going to be giving. i think she's going to start walking this line of no longer criticize sanders, but start to try to woo the sanders' supporters. now they going to feel the momentum enough, and they'll have enough of a delegate lead where they have to walk the tight rope of still competing with sanders, but not alienating his voters. and how she walks that tight rope, i think, is now going to be her next challenge. it starts tonight, and you'll see it more throughout the week. >> thanks, chuck. appreciate that. >> it's like having a viewer's guide to this evening. >> well, also, just the -- >> that is blunt truth from chuck todd there, that he's essentially saying, that the bernie sanders' campaign is not operating on a strategy that is designed to win the nomination, anymore. it's designed to keep him alive. the thing that is hard to, i think, fathom about that, is
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that bernie sanders has so much money. bernie sanders is raising more money than anybody else in the race, democrat or republican, all the way through january. and so to be not -- he is only competing in about five of the next 11 states that are going to vote on super tuesday. he has the option, money wise, to compete everywhere. but that's a survival strategy, not a winning strategy. >> and not for nothing, spent $1.7 million in what is widely believed to be a losing effort in south carolina, on his way out of the state. we're under four minutes to polls close. keeping that in mind, quickly to steve kornacki, because we do have the first wave of exit polling tonight. voters in south carolina. steve? >> and we want to talk specifically here about this question of race. and again, south carolina, one of the highest concentrations of black voters in any primary state in the country. and the reason barack obama is america's first black president, in a lot of ways, has to do with that big win he got here eighth years ago. so we thought, this was a very interesting question in the exit poll. have race relations during the
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obama presidency, what did democrats in south carolina think about this? 15% say they've gotten better. 34% say they've stayed the same. almost the same number as that combined right here, 48%, say race relations have exhale gotten worse. these are democratic voters in south carolina. that's white democratic voters, 45% of black voters saying that. so there's a large number, a large plurality there on the democratic side, saying that. and then you look at that question, who will better handle race relations? clinton or sanders? 33% are saying hillary clinton would better -- they would trust to handle them. 12% saying they would trust sanders. 51, both, and 4 neither. so just interesting here, after eight years ago of having the first black president, the state that really propelled barack obama in the primaries eight years ago, how they are thinking about questions of race. >> what's interesting to me there is that 51% of the people who say that both would do essentially a good job with this pu pu . you are seeing that in race after race, democratic candidates, yeah, there's a competition here, but democratic voters like both of these candidates. >> also, a lot of earlier polls
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when that question was asked, black voters were less likely to think that race relations had gotten worse. and in some earlier polling that i recall. so it's interesting to me that, essentially, it's the same number. >> it's pretty close. >> of black and white. >> lawrence, pretty chilling stuff there from chuck todd. >> you know, everything is proportional on tuesday night. everything. bernie sanders is going to pick up tuesday night, he's going to pick up delegates in every single state that he runs in on tuesday night. he may win massachusetts. that's the second biggest delegate prize on tuesday night. so, i think it is too early to declare the sanders' campaign to be in some glide path, you know, to a negative end. especially when you consider this very, very important fact about hillary clinton campaigns. they never, but never go up in the polls. when she first announced for her first senate campaign in new york, the first poll taken a year out was exactly the number she won with. her second campaign, the poll taken a year out was exactly the
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number she won with. her next campaign was a campaign for the presidency, huge lead against barack obama, barack obama closed that lead every day. she went on a straight down trajectory the whole time. >> we have exactly one minute to go. with that in mind, steve kornacki just has new information on age of the voters. >> we'll just give you one more quick tidbit here. we know how much bernie sanders has relied on those young voters under 30. check out this. we're seeing in the exit poll, 13% of the democrats tonight under the age of 30. that is the lowest number we've seen in any of these early contests. >> that's fascinating. >> and that's how exit poll information can be helpful when we're talking about the expected result tonight. we're 30 seconds to go. and, you know, if polling and reporting is correct, everybody knows what's going to happen. >> the way clinton was going to try to put this together was with african-american voters and the way sanders was going to try to put it together was with young voters. we have a high proportion of black voters and a low proportion of young voters.
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this is what hillary clinton wanted to see tonight. >> the minute we saw both of those figures, it figured in to what we expect. we're going to let our machine, which is attached to our election unit, roll automatically the animation here. at 7:00 p.m. eastern time, we do have a projection. and it is projected when all the votes are counted in south carolina hillary clinton will pick up what our election unit is calling an overwhelming victory in south carolina, coming off, shall we call it, a comfortable victory in nevada. 59 delegates at stake. hillary clinton, the projected winner tonight. what everyone expected. but what people did not expect, perhaps, is the verbiage, overwhelming victory from our friends in the election unit. >> that is a very rare word to
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have used by the computing machines we call humans over there. we'll see what the ultimate margin is. we do have a direct prediction from the clinton campaign. they said they wanted to match or beat bernie sanders' massive victory margin in new hampshire. he won there by 22 points. and it will be bragging rights and it will be, it will be momentum, absolutely. there is also a concrete nuts and bolts important reason to follow what exactly the margin is going to be and where in the state, and that's because of delegates. there are 59 delegates at stake in south carolina. the winner, for winning, you only get 18. the other 35 of them, who aren't super delegates, those are apportioned around the state, by congressional district. you have to get 15% in each congressional district to get any delegates out of that district. the clinton campaign will be looking to lock up as many of these delegates as possible. they've got four of the six superdelegates already. they'll be trying to get as close as they can to 59 tonight in south carolina. >> and look, as we keep saying,
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this was not a surprise. this was widely polled, widely reported. this crowd that you're looking at live at clinton campaign headquarters had every reason to believe, long ago, they were going to be at a victory party tonight. for her part, the former secretary of state flew to alabama today, as we've been reporting, had a campaign event there. and is back in the marriott hotel, ready to go into this ballroom. they can end their night very, very early, the clinton campaign can. as we've been saying, the sanders' campaign went from austin, texas, they are flying to minnesota, as eugene robinson's newspaper, "the washington post," was careful to point out, they are in the air at this moment for poll closings in south carolina on a non-wi-fi-equipped airplane. >> maybe the pilots will tell them. #.
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there is news of this 7:00 p.m. hour, our projected winner in an overwhelming victory in south carolina, hillary clinton. chris matthews is in south carolina. >> i think steve kornacki gave us the most important data of the evening so far. put it together with this victory for hillary clinton, which i be do believe is going to be overwhelming, really overwhelming. it shows how she's being shot from a cannon, basically, into tuesday, this week. because in all those southern states, we have the large black majorities, even, you're going to see her win really well. to me, i'll go back to what lawrence said a couple of minutes ago. i think the state to watch tuesday night will be massachusetts. if bernie sanders wins there, having won in vermont, having won -- will win in vermont, of course, and winning also in new hampshire, if he wins in massachusetts, he's still in this race. if hillary can throw him back in massachusetts, i think he becomes a real problem for him. i think that's the state to watch tuesday based on what we
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just saw. >> i think that's absolutely true and fascinating. massachusetts is not usually in the position of being important in presidential politics. as a massachusetts resident and voter, i find this very exciting. but we did just get this poll from wbur, within the last couple of days, saying that, actually, hillary clinton is leading in massachusetts right now. there's not been a ton of polling in the state, but that is the most recent polling. massachusetts is designed for him. it borders vermont, just like new hampshire does. he's been saying he's going to win there. he has more campaign offices there than she does. she's doing -- she's actually tacked on a campaign appearance monday morning in massachusetts that she hadn't been previously planning on, because she now sees that state within reach. if she gets massachusetts, it's hard to see bernie sanders' path. >> the other side of the coin, lawrence was talking a minute ago about a proportional allocation of delegates. therefore, bernie sanders was going to get delegates everywhere. and so he can kind of stay in. the other side of that coin is that it's very, very hard to catch up in that sort of race. and we saw that in 2008.
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once barack obama got a lead, toward the second half of that whole campaign, hillary clinton gave as good as she got, basically. she beat him in some big states, actually, but she could never catch up. if she does as well on super tuesday as tonight's result might indicate she would do, i think it will be very difficult for bernie sanders to catch up. >> and lo and behold, lawrence o'donnell's home state is fought over now in american politics. >> just remember, hillary clinton had a massive lead in the first polls in massachusetts. once again, what you saw was her challenger close the gap. at a certain point, got above her in some of the polls there, but in every place, what happens is the challenger to hillary clinton closes the gap. she cannot hold those leads. so it's about time. bernie sanders had a year to change minds in new hampshire. he had a year and he did it. he needed a year in every other state.
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that's the problem. >> i'll make one last point. the thing that will become really interesting is that hillary clinton really did make a decision to try to run up the score as high as she could in south carolina. this projection of an overwhelming victory indicates that she has done that, but was there a cost? with her spending every day this year in south carolina, should she have pocketed it as a win, and gone on to spend more time in massachusetts, to spend more time in oklahoma, to spend more time in minnesota and colorado, where bernie sanders is looking very strong. do you try to cut into his lead in vermont? there's five states he's contesting, essentially, on super tuesday. could she have locked up more of those by giving a little bit away in terms of south carolina? >> steve kornacki at the board with more. >> i'm a massachusetts guy, too, by the way. so i'm all for the candidates spending more time there. here's how the clinton win came about. a couple numbers we can now show you here in south carolina tonight. this is interesting. she did actually lose the white vote to bernie sanders in south carolina. it's a small number, though. basically a third of the
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electorate. a little bit more than a third of the electorate is white. bernie sanders is winning among them, but this number, 84-16 among african-american voters. nationally, the sanders' campaign recognized this problem months ago, that they were far, far behind with black voters and starting last spring, they took a lot of efforts to try to bring that number up and this is what they get for it in south carolina, losing by that margin. also, age. this is interesting, again. bernie sanders in the other states, we've been seeing him winning with people under 45 years old. tonight, though, hillary clinton is putting a win on the border with voters under 45, six points. and just overwhelming with voters over 45. a big part of this is that across the board support she has from black voters, that is bringing her numbers up, with the around 45s, and that is taking her numbers that were already strong on other states, with voters over 45 and putting them through the roof. over 75% of people over 45 in south carolina tonight voted for hillary clinton.
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>> and the still-young clinton campaign has been through a ringer of stress already. very good to see how they put this together tonight. to kristen welker who is at the campaign headquarters, i keep saying this will mean we'll see the candidate early in the evening. still no sign of the candidate, however. >> reporter: no sign of the candidate, brian, but you're absolutely right. i anticipate it won't be very long that we'll have to wait to hear from secretary clinton. she'll be excited to get out here and address her supporter who is erupted into cheers and chants of hillary when this win was announced. i can take you inside her campaign room. one of her top aides tells me the entire room erupted into chants and boots when this win was announced. this is a big win for secretary clinton. it will give her momentum heading into super tuesday and important for a number of other reasons. she won this with a large majority of african-americans
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and that underscores she has strong support among that group, which makes up more than 50% of the electorate here, and a large swath of the electorate throughout those super tuesday states. this is also about redemption, brian. she lost here in 2008 to then senator barack obama. well, tonight she proved she can win back so many of those votes that she lost. and finally, the campaign is hoping that this helps her to put this race out of reach. and it will undoubtedly give her new momentum, as she heads into those all-important contests on tuesday, just a few days away now. brian? >> kristen, a question about mechanics. how large a press corps does secretary clinton have now? and have you seen any change in it? and i'm wondering if it will change after tonight. >> it keeps getting bigger, brian. to give you a little bit of color on that point, when we first started, it was very easy for us to access the candidate. there were a handful of us, really, following her around on a regular basis.
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now there are several dozen of us. so many, in fact, that there are too many of us to fill up a press plane, if that gives you a sense of just how many reporters are covering this campaign. it could, of course, be an historic campaign, if she were to win the nomination. she would be the first woman to do so. so there is a lot of interest, but her campaign has expanded as well, as she has continued along this path, adding new advisers, and undoubtedly, that is reflected in the press corps as well, brian. again, her supporters fired up tonight, very excited to hear what she has to say to them. brian? >> kristen welker, thanks. we'll be coming back to you, especially when we begin to see the candidate. andrea mitchell standing by in washington. we are duty-bound to add at exactly this point of the evening, andrea, that prior to today's story in "the new york times" about the republican race, last night's impactful story on page one of the
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electronic edition of "the new york times" was about the latest release of e-mails. >> exactly. >> and some of the language that reporters used to talk about the known/unknowns in this case is chilling and she still faces a very uncertain future where this e-mail case is concerned. >> but it clearly was not at all important to the african-american voters, the voters in south carolina. it hasn't taken traction even on the campaign trail. it doesn't -- it's shown up in other places, other states, where bernie sanders was killing her on the subject of honest and trustworthiness, certainly in new hampshire, even in nevada to a certain extent. not here in south carolina. so, going forward, she can only hope that she can gain traction with this big victory among -- the projected victory among the african-american vote and then keep, you know, moving through super tuesday. she's going to the super tuesday states. bernie sanders' travel is instructive, because you can see
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he's heading from texas, where he had a very big town in a university town, austin, a progressive town, now heading to minnesota, where he is, i'm told by democrats, in the party, very, very highly favored in the minnesota caucuses. but in the really large delegate collection process, southeast got much more traction going forward. and the e-mail story just doesn't seem to resonate with a lot of these voters. . one other thing i would point out, in appealing to african-american voters, the disparity between his surrogates, his african-american surrogates and hers, she had jim clyburn going forward to georgia, she's got the icon of the civil rights era, john lewis. he's had killer mike appealing to young people, the rappers, but also, cornel west, who disagrees strongly with barack obama. and what we see in these exit polls is a very warm embrace of the obama policies. being close to president obama is a big factor in hillary clinton's s.e.c. primaries going
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forward. >> one of our campaign veterans, andrea mitchell. >> andrea mitchell, thank you. let's also turn to chuck todd right now. chuck, one of the things we're looking at in terms of what we can extrapolate from tonight is that proportion of the black vote. if that exit poll finding holds, she won the black vote by 68 points. she won 84% of african-american voters and bernie sanders only got 16 of them. that's what the clinton campaign was looking for. that's what they were looking for, a wow number. >> and that's a wow number and that shows you the payoff of hugging president obama, right? and i think the struggle that bernie sanders has had, you know, i think the toughest hit the clinton campaign put on bernie sanders was on hitting him for trying to primary barack obama. the whole point of trying to surface that issue, that radio interview that bernie sanders gave back in 2011 saying, you know, maybe it would be a good idea if president obama were primaried, surfacing it was
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exactly for this moment. to send that message to african-american voters, hey, wait a minute, as bernie sanders says he's trying to be more like obama, just look at this. and you have to look at these numbers and say, wow, that is -- to me, anything -- i would have been impressed with 70, 75%. the fact that sanders couldn't get in the 20s, i thought he had a shot to get 30 to 35% of the african-american vote. but i go back to something i said earlier, rachel and brian, something has changed in the sanders' campaign. it feels like they're doing a very much narrowing of their goal of just trying to accumulate delegates, where they can. so minnesota, colorado, yes, they can accumulate delegates there, but go for the jugular. try to play to win. and i have not seen a strategy that comes across as play to win. for instance, i don't see him in virginia and tennessee, in the type of way that they should be, if they want to have a shot at beating hillary clinton for the nomination. >> let me ask you one question
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about what you had said earlier about bernie sanders not necessarily really playing for south carolina, not really trying hard for south carolina. we definitely saw that in the candidates' travel schedule, chuck. and we see it tonight with him being en route to minnesota while these results are coming in. he had something like 200 paid staffers on the ground in south carolina. he did spend a ton of money on ads there. he's got money to spend, either on hiring people or on tv ads. he did try in south carolina. he just didn't spend a lot of time there personally. >> well, it was when the money was spent. and then it was, it feels as if they pulled it. and then, they're not spending -- because they have the resources. that's the other part of this, rachel. they have been raising a ton of money. look, in hindsight, they probably spent too much money in new hampshire. should have saved some of that money for virginia, for south carolina, for tennessee, for a georgia and texas. places that there was a chance to get 40 to 45, and maybe even pull an upset. >> in the meantime here we are,
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chuck, with a paper statement from the traveling sanders' campaign. and in a moment we're going to see the real-live candidate, the victor tonight in south carolina, former secretary of state, hillary clinton. we'll go to a break here. if she appears while we're in a break, we'll blow out and come back to you. but our live coverage continues right after this.
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we are back. is the minutes ago, nbc news called this race. our projected winner, hillary clinton. no surprise in south carolina. somewhat surprising, the sanders' campaign is in the air right now on a kind of
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south-to-north transcontinental flight from austin to minnesota. they have put out a statement that mentions secretary clinton exactly once and donald trump once as well. interesting, kasie hunt covers the sanders' campaign. she has stayed behind, perilously close to the salt lick, for my money, the best barbecue on the edge of town there in austin, texas. and kasie, what do you make of the campaign's behavior towards the result tonight in south carolina. again, not a surprise, but for him to be aloft, not on the ground for this statement to come out, for the statement to mention donald trump? >> reporter: brian, the tacos are also great in austin, we're at a taco joint. you're right, it's both surprising and not surprising. if you know bernie sanders, have an understanding for how he's looked at this campaign from the beginning and how he's waged it, they are very frustrated by this
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overall sense that, you know, just what happened in nevada, and now in south carolina, that this race should be totally over. they want to look to super tuesday. and i will say, from one perspective, this campaign is a little different than some other examples that we may have seen in previous election cycles, where you had someone considered a long-shot challenger and that's their fund-raising. he's raising millions and millions of dollars, essentially at the push of a button. and as long as that continues, they are going to be able to follow through on this pledge that they're releasing this statement saying, this is just the beginning. so i think that that's going to be a number to watch, as we head in to super tuesday. wether or not that fund-raising continues at the same pace or whether these losses discourage some of these young, excited supporters to get behind him. i think the donald trump thing is interesting, also, because, of course, his campaign advisers have been following this sense of outsiderness, that in some ways unites their campaigns. bernie sanders himself, i've asked him a number of times if
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he sees any similarities between himself and donald trump, he absolutely rejects them. but they have started to look into these national poll numbers that have shown him performing well against trump and are trying to use that on the stump, brian. >> kasie hunt in austin. to kasie's point, just looking at this statement, he says, let me be clear on one thing. this campaign is just beginning. we won a decisive victory in new hampshire. she won a decisive victory in south carolina. now it's on to super tuesday. the final sentence, when we come together and don't let people like donald trump try to divide us, we can create an economy that works for all of us and not just the top 1%. and we saw a little bit of this rhetorically from candidate sanders in texas when he was there today. we've seen him rtry essentially build an anti-donald trump message into what he's doing. i think it's really significant that this is in the statement. i think it's really significant that it's a new part of the stump speech. >> i agree. >> and i think if bernie sanders' campaign is frustrated
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by the perception, as kasie was just expressing there, that they don't have much of a path ahead, it's because people are looking at the delegate math and the states to come and this margin with black voters that we saw tonight and expected tonight in south carolina. they actually do need to open up a new path that doesn't exist right now. and there is a lot of hunger in the country. there's a lot of support for donald trump, but there's a lot hunger in the country for something that can take donald trump down. people are expecting it to come from the republican side. i think, just as an analyst of this situation, that if bernie sanders can find a way to make the donald trump candidacy central to what he's offering, to be a counterpoint and a critic of that, to find some way into that anti-trump energy, that's potentially a new enough path forward for sanders that could really be meaningful. i think this is a substantiative and important point tonight in terms of what's going on with the sanders' campaign. >> and sanders has generally done better than hillary clinton in the one on one matchups.
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>> those head-to-heads. >> and that's what he's trying to draw attention to, please look at these one-on-one matchups where i do better against donald trump. >> in terms of how hillary clinton put this victory together tonight in south carolina, we have a little bit more data in terms of who she did best with and how she put together what looks to be an overwhelming victory in south carolina. steve's got some of that data. >> i want to show you one of the most amazing statistics i've ever seen, looking at exit polls on a night like this. let me show you this. we've been talking about age and race factor sbroing into this. this is black voter under the age of 30. sanders' theory was they were going to get a real big number. that split we've been seeing in other states where younger voters flock to him, that would extend to black voters. here's the most amazing number i've ever seen, one of the most amazing numbers. black voters over the age of 65, ready for this, 96 to 3. it is practically unanimous in
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the state of south carolina among older black voters, hillary clinton getting nearly 100% of them tonight. it's an extraordinary number. one other thing we can quickly show you here. this was when people made up their minds. it really didn't matter the last few days or earlier than that, the interesting thing about this, though, was only 16% of the voters here in south carolina have said they made up their minds in the last few days, 84% say it was earlier. all of that sanders' effort to get momentum from iowa and new hampshire, these are people that made up their minds a long time ago. >> -- why the sanders' campaign did not devote more attention to that state. their polling was picking thaup decision making earlier, and that's what internal campaign polling is about. they need to know, whose made decisions that are irreversible and what do we do with our resources because of that. >> going forward to super tuesday, do they not have to increase that generation gap among black voters? there's a bit of a gap, but not nearly enough for bernie sanders. >> 93% gap with voters over 65.
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steve's right, i've never seen anything like it. >> one more break for us. we're back right after this.
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we are back. this is election headquarters tonight in south carolina for the decisive victor. our own wording from our election unit is an overwhelming victory tonight nor hillary clinton. and that is it is. this is thecki just chose to highlight, because it was one of the more incredible and one of the more impressive numbers we've ever seen in the business of exit polling tonight, rachel. 96 to 3% black voters, 65 plus. >> and the number with black voters overall for secretary clinton is very impressive, 84 to 16 is what she won black voters by, according to the exit polls, at least. but that 65 and up number, 96 to 3. you just never see a 93-point
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margin in a primary. you know, you can see that, we saw some margins like that in terms of barack obama in a general election against a candidate, but that's remarkable. we were talking with gene robinson, south carolina native, about the importance of older black voters, older black women voters in particular, just in terms of making the wheels of democracy turn in south carolina. >> yeah, no, if you're over 65 and you're african-american and you're a south carolinian, you've seen a lot. you've lived through a lot in your life. you know, you remember the time before the voting rights act. you remember what it was like in the old days. you are a tough audience. and if, you know, you listen to hillary clinton and you listen to bernie sanders, it seems that those voters decided to stick with the name, the brand, the person they knew, rather than
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bernie. >> one of the other things we've seen, that's interesting tonight is that hillary clinton won the black vote by such an overwhelming margin. she also did not lose the young black vote to bernie sanders. he's been so good with young voters, people expected even if hillary clinton won older black voters, he would win the younger ones. he didn't. >> he didn't win them. he got a larger percentage of them than he did of older voters. so he did sort of create this itty-bitty generation gap among black voters. it wasn't nearly big enough to bring him anywhere near a victory. and that will be interesting, going into alabama, going into georgia, going into all the s.e.c. states, to see if he can connect with young black voters in any significant way. and try to increase that generation gap that we just didn't see enough of, for him in south carolina. >> lawrence, if he's -- if the polling is going to go -- if the races are going to go the way the polling says they are, he's
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going to lose the southern states. >> yeah. >> he's going to win minnesota, colorado, he's going to win vermont, he wants to win massachusetts. he's competitive in oklahoma. is that enough? if he does -- that's his moon shot. that's where he says he wants to win on super tuesday. if he does everything he wants to do and takes those five states, where does that put the race? >> it's certainly enough to justify continuing. and when you're continuing, you're only continuing for another week. whenever a presidential campaign decides to continue at this stage, it's no more -- >> never make a longer term decision than that. >> and so it's going to be enough for that. once you start to get into, you know, where's the path to victory there, it becomes very, very hard to see. >> i have asked our friend, steve, to join us to talk about, because we talk about it a lot, the gap between '08. a lot of talk this time around about the excitement gap. a lot of talk this time around suppressed turnout. what do you have on that front? >> this is to continue that data point we're talking about there. 96-3% tonight for hillary clinton among black voters over
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the age of 65. to put it in further perspective how amazing that is, if you go back to 2008, barack obama, of course, won a landslide statewide in south carolina, won big numbers with the black vote, but hillary clinton did better tonight among black voters over the age of 65 than barack obama did. barack obama, this is -- it's almost comparable. we have it at black voters, 60 plus. age 60 plus in 2008. barack obama won them 73 to 23 over hillary clinton, eight years ago. tonight, with that group, 65 and older, she got 96%. >> that's amazing. >> there was another factor in 2008, which is that john edwards was in south carolina. he did pretty well in south carolina, even though he came in third and he was born in south carolina, so he had a little bit of a native son thing going on there, but hillary clinton got trounced by barack obama in that race. she lost by 28 points. >> she had the largest share overall of all the black vote than obama did in 2008, in south carolina. >> stunning.
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>> which is kind of stunning. >> yeah, stunning. let's toss that fact back to chris matthews, our man on the ground in columbia, south carolina tonight. chris, we've been looking at this just remarkable margin that secretary clinton seems to have wrapped up, with black voters, generally, but specifically with older black voters. >> yeah, i think, rachel, i'm with joy reid now, our national correspondent. when you think about this in historic terms, the party of celebration, the democratic party, is now the party of liberation, at least relative liberation, and the clintons are the democratic party. >> yeah pip mean, indeed. i think of the sort of entrance of black voters into the democratic party as akin to what happened when black voters moved into a neighborhood, quite frankly, back in the 1950s and '60s. white neighbors move out, black neighbors move in. it's become a substantially african-american party, and what's left of the white vote is a quite liberal. what's left of the liberal white demographic in the south. and so it's overwhelmingly
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african-americans. african-americans are 60% plus of the electorate here tonight. they were about 55% in 2008. and we were just talking about sort of the propensity of older black voters to vote in even higher number for hillary clinton than barack obama. that's actually not surprising. that vote is very pragmatic. they didn't think barack obama could win. they were very surprised by him and a lot of skepticism of him. >> that was my experience in chapel hill. a southern liberal to me was somebody that was okay on race. >> yes, that's correct. >> that's what a southern liberal was. >> let me ask you about bernie sanders' challenge here. he's not been a regular member of the democratic party. he's been an independent, self-described democratic social itse ist. all of that. to a southern person, how would they react to a guy who says, i'm from vermont. in jerry's country, i'm a democratic socialist. what would be the reaction to a newbie like that? >> you have to understand, you have to add to that the fact that the audience he's largely speaking to in a place like south carolina, largely, heavily
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evangelical christian, african-american audience. this is an ame state. lots of ame churches. i think more ame churches in this state than really any other state. you're talking about an audience of african-americans that are heavily military. this is actually a quite military, you know, his sort of foreign policy views are going to come a little bit more into play. whether or not he would have that commander in chief sort of gravitas. and name recognition. hillary clinton, the clintons are very well known here. hillary clinton works on issues of incarceration way back in the 1970s. there's a familiarity with the clintons. i think if you're hearing this new guy from vermont who's a democratic socialist and not a democrat, that isn't going to play as well with the average african-american voter. now younger black voters i've found have been very open to the sanders message. they don't vote in the same sort of numbers the church folks vote. that's who votes. >> i saw bernie sanders at a meeting, a group of black people having dinner together, and he was wandering through the room, bernie sanders, and you got the feeling, you might have had it at a party you went to,
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everybody knew everybody, but you. it seemed like he wasn't connecting very well. it's not his fault. he was the new guy. back to you, brian. >> thank you, chris. joy is so right. it's an ame state. she has turned a great phrase there. >> joining us now is hjulian castro, our nation's secretary of housing and urban development and the former mayor of san antonio, a san antonio mayor for five years. mr. secretary, thank you very much for being with us tonight. you're an endorser of hillary clinton. this must be a very exciting and happy night for you. >> it really is. it's a fantastic victory. you know, two in a row. she's got a lot of momentum, and three out of four so far of these states. it really says a lot that the broad, diverse support that hillary has gotten. she's just done a fantastic job tonight. >> heading into super tuesday, you know, everybody's very excited tonight in south carolina, oh, 59 delegates, wow, 59 delegates. heading into super tuesday, there looms texas, your home state, where over 250 delegates
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at stake. on the democratic side, it's going to be a very diverse electorate. white electorate and latino electorate and black electorate and asian and other. it's a big state with a very diverse, robust democratic party. what are you expecting in terms of excitement on the democratic side, the turnout numbers don't look great so far in texas in terms of the early vote numbers. what do you think's going to happen in your home state on tuesday? >> you're right, rachel. texas is the big prize on super tuesday. it is a diverse state. i think that plays well to hillary's strength. she's done well in nevada, and now in south carolina. you have a young population there. you have a latino population that is about 40% of the state, an emerging community, also a heavy african-american community. i was just in houston last saturday for a rally with secretary clinton, and the response that she got there in that diverse community of houston was just fantastic. they had about 2,500 folks in the room, ready to vote for her. you can see that happening in
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san antonio, austin, all of the big cities of texas. so i think that when it comes to texas and most of the other super tuesday states, she's going to do well. >> mr. secretary, i have to ask you about something going on in the republican race, which i think may start to affect what's going on in the democratic race. and that is the republican party absolutely freaking out about the rise of donald trump and the prospect that he really might be getting the nomination. one of the side effects of that in your home state of texas is that mr. trump is really contesting texas. he would love to beat ted cruz there on his own home turf. it's the only super tuesday state where he's already not leading in the polls. that republican race, and the feelings about mr. trump as such a polarizing figure, does that make democrats feel any differently about the decision they're making? does that make the pitch that your candidate, hillary clinton, is making, either sound different or get heard different by the democratic electorate? >> well, i think that hillary has a strong message, that she's
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the one fighting to break barriers, so that everyone in this country can have great opportunity, so it doesn't matter who they put up. however, it's true that, you know, if we've seen one thing about donald trump, it's that, you know, he's probably the meanest candidate that has run, most mean-spirited candidate that's run for national office, that we've seen in our lifetime. and he's a fighter. you've got to give him that. and if there's one thing that we know about hillary clinton, is that she is a fighter. and over the years, she has been our most effective fighter. so, whoever they put up, she's going to be ready for that republican and she's going to work hard and bring her message throughout the united states, to all types of communities. and i'm confident that if our nominee is hillary clinton, she can win in november, whether they put up donald trump, cruz, rubio, or any of the others. >> i have one kbeimpertinent
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question for you, mr. secretary. that is, do you want to be vice preside president? it's not my -- i don't have the ability to offer you the job, but a lot of people are wondering if she is going to potentially offer you that job, and i was wondering about your interest in playing that kind of a role. >> i haven't given it thought, because nobody's asked. actually, i am focused on my day job and trying to do a good job there. i've said for a long time now that i fully expect to be back in texas a year from now. but i'm very happy to support hillary, because i think that she would make the best president to continue the momentum from barack obama's administration and happy to support her. >> julian castro, our nation's secretary of housing and urban development. thank you very much. >> appreciate it. >> let's walk into that ballroom we've been watching. it appears an aide put some remarks on the podium. that's the closest we've come to seeing the victorious candidate
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tonight in south carolina. correspondent kristen welker is waiting it out as well. kristen? >> reporter: brian, that's right. we anticipate it's just a matter of moments. in fact, i think the crowd getting a little bit quieter. and it sounds like congressman james clyburn heading to the podium. he will undoubtedly be introducing secretary clinton. she has been watching these returns along with the congressman and some of her friends and her staffers tonight, we understand, when this victory was announced, the room erupted into chants and shouts of celebration for clay. that's clay middleton, the state director here in south carolina. this is a huge win for secretary clinton. it will give her significant momentum heading into super tuesday. she has spent a lot of time campaigning here, over the past week brian. her campaign continuing to insist she's not taking any vote for granted. senator sanders, on the other hand, has not had a huge presence here during the past
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week. he's turned his sights to super tuesday. a lot of separation here tonight. brian, rachel? >> kristen, thank you. let's listen to a bit of this congressman jim clyburn, whose endorsement really did help to power the clinton victory tonight. >> have rendered a significant verdict. [ cheers and applause ] [ chanting ] >> and i want to thank -- she'll be here in a moment. and to i want thank each and every one of you for all the work that you've done to make this evening possible. we, tonight, have started
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hillary clinton on her way to the white house. [ cheers and applause ] people of south carolina have said that if you work hard, if you build the resume, if you remain true to your own principles, if you remain loyal to the administration that got this economy out of the ditch -- [ cheers and applause ] >> and if you lay out a plan, as to how you will build upon that record and take us to where we ought to be, you will be
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rewarded. and tonight, you have rewarded hillary clinton and she will reward each and every one of us in this great nation. y'all didn't come to hear me, so let me present to you now, the next president of these united states, hillary clinton. [ cheers and applause ] [ cheers and applause ]
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[ cheers and applause ] >> thank you! thank you so much, south carolina! >> hillary! hillary! hillary! hillary! hillary! >> thank you! thank you. [ cheering ] >> thank you. thank you so much from one end of this state, to another, i am so greatly -- >> we love you! >> -- appreciative, because today you sent a message in
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america when we stand together -- [ cheers and applause ] when we stand together, there is no barrier too big to break. we've now gone through four early states and i want to congratulate senator sanders on running a great race and tomorrow, this campaign goes national! [ cheers and applause ] >> we are going to compete for every vote, in every state. we are not taking anything, and we're not taking anyone for granted. i want to thank all the local leaders, legislators, mayors,
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pastors, organizers, volunteers, who have worked their heart out for this campaign. i thank all of our great south carolina friends, going back so many years. i especially want to thank two of your former great democratic governors, dick reilly and jim hodgeins! [ cheers ] and i especially want to thank your champion, your statesman in congress, jim clyburn! [ cheers and applause ] i am so looking forward to working with the congressman, to make the changes and continue the progress that we can build on the record and
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accomplishments of president obama. and to the almost 850,000 people who have contributed what they could, most giving less than $100, i thank each and every one of you. now, every day, since iowa, more and more of you have stepped up. today, grassroots donors are powering this campaign. [ cheers and applause ] and to the millions of people watching across our country, please join us by making a donation to hillaryclinton.com. [ cheers and applause ] and here's why. because together, we can break down all the barriers holding our families and our country back. we can build ladders of opportunity and empowerment, so
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every single american can have that chance to live up to his or her god-given potential. and then, then and only then can america live up to its full potential, too. this campaign and this victory tonight is for the parents and teachers in rural south carol a carolina. they showed me crumbling classrooms in communities too long neglected. we're going to work together to give our children the education they need and deserve here in south carolina and across america. [ cheers and applause ] this campaign and victory is for
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the entrepreneur who are from people of color. we're going to give people, particularly young people, the tools you need -- [ cheers and applause ] -- to start that small business you've been dreaming of. and this campaign and our victory is for the reverend, a presiding elder of the ame church, who looked at all the violence and division in our country and asked me the other night how, how are we ever going to strengthen the bonds of family and community again? well, we're going to start by working together with more love and kindness in our hearts and more respect for each other,
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even when we disagree. [ cheers and applause ] despite what you hear, we don't need to make america great. america has never stopped being great. [ cheers and applause ] but -- but we do need to make america whole again. instead of building walls, we need to be tearing down barriers. we need to show by everything we do that we really are in this together. today too many people at the top, too many corporations have forgotten this basic truth about what makes america great. prescription drugs company that increase the price of drugs for no reason than greed and then
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double and triple bills of folks overnight, corporations that you shift headquarters overseas than for no other reason than to avoid paying their fair share of taxes. auto parts in wisconsin that we taxpayers helped to save with the auto rescue in 2008. let there be no doubt in any boardroom or executive suite across this country, if you cheat your employees, exploit your customers, pollute our environment our rip off the taxpayers, we will hold you accountable. [ cheers and applause ] if you turn your back on america, you'll pay a price. but if you do the right thing,
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if you invest in your workers and in your country's future, then we will stand with you. now, together we have to breakdown all the barriers, not just some. it's important that wall street never threaten main street again. no bank can be too big to fail. and no executive too powerful to jail. [ cheers and applause ] but -- but america isn't a single issue country, my friends. we need more than a plan for the biggest banks. the middle class needs a raise! [ cheers and applause ] and we need more good jobs! jobs that pay well and can't be outsourced. jobs that provide dignity and a path to a brighter future. and we can create those good jobs by building of the progress we've made under president
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obama. so let's make new investments in manufacturing and small business, in scientific research, in clean energy, enough clean energy to power every home in america. [ cheers and applause ] and don't let anybody tell you we can't make things in america. i know we can and i know we will! let's breakdown the barriers that keep people on the sidelines of our economy, especially women. [ cheers and applause ] don't you think we've waited long enough for quality affordable childcare and paid family leave? don't you think it's time for equal pay for equal work?
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and let's breakdown the barriers that stop our children from getting the best possible start in life. we need to support great teachers and great schools in every zip code. [ cheers and applause ] let's break down the barriers holding back our young people, especially the student debt that makes it hard to imagine ever living the life you want. [ cheers and applause ] and we are going to give special support to our historic black colleges and universities that play a vital role in this state and across our country. now breaking down all the barriers mean we also have to face the reality of systemic racism that more than half a century after rosa parks sat and dr. king marched and john lewis bled, still plays a significant role in determining who gets ahead in america and who gets
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left behind. we have to invest in communities of color, reform our broken criminal justice and immigration syste systems. we have to guarantee opportunity, dignity and justice for every american. and tonight, i want to pay tribute to five extraordinary women who criss-crossed this state with me and for me. five mothers brought together by tragedy. sabrina fulton, mother of trayvon martin. shot and killed in florida just for walking down the street. lucy mcbath, mother of jordan davis, shot and killed by minneso someone who thought he was playing his music too loud in his car. maria hamilton, mother of dantre, shot and killed by police in milwaukee. gwen carr, mother of eric garner, choked to death after
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being stopped for selling loose cigarettes on the street. and geneva, mother of sandra bland, who died in police custody in texas. they all lost children, which is almost unimaginable. yet they have not been broken or imbittered. instead, they have channeled their sorrow into a strategy and their mourning into a movement. and they are reminding us of something deep and powerful in the american spirit. by now, we all know the story of flint, michigan. how a city's children were poisoned by toxic water because their governor wanted to save a little money. but there's another side to the story in flint. it's a story of a community that's been knocked down but refused to be knocked out. it's hundreds -- [ applause ]
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it's hundreds of union plumbers coming from across the country to help install new water fixtures. it's students raising funds for water deliveries and showing up in flint to distribute supplies. it's the united auto workers and general motors donating millions of dollars. we know there are many other flints out there. communities that have been left out and left behind. but for every problem we face anywhere in america, someone somewhere is working to solve it. our country was built by people who had each other's backs. who understood we all have to do our part and that at our best we all rise together. imagine what we can all build together when each and every american has the chance to live up to his or her potential.
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imagine a tomorrow where no child grows up in the shadow of discrimination or under the specter of deportation. imagine a tomorrow where every parent can find a good job and every grandparent can enjoy a secure retirement. imagine a tomorrow where hard work is honored, families are supported and communities are strong. when we trust and respect each other, despite all that divides us, so please, join us in this campaign for our country's future. go to hillaryclinton.com or text join, j-o-i-n, to 47246 right now. you know, on one of my first trips to south carolina during this campaign, i stopped by a bakery here in columbia. i was saying hello to everybody, i went over to say hello to a man reading a book in the corner. turned out he was a minister,
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and the book was a bible. he was studying 1 corinthians 13 which happens to be one of my favorite passages. love bears all things, hopes all things, endures all things. these are words to live by, not only for ourselves but also for our country. i know it sometimes seems a little odd for someone running for president in these days and this time to say we need more love and kindness in america. but i'm telling you from the bottom of my heart, we do. we do. we have so much to look forward to. there is no doubt in my mind
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that america's best years can be ahead of us. we have got to believe that. we have got to work for that. we have to stand with each other. we have to hold each other up. lift each other up. move together into the future. and we will make it. thank you! god bless you and god bless america! [ cheers and applause ] >> hillary clinton the victor tonight in south carolina. "the new york times" front page calling it a route. "the washington post" said she cruised to victory over bernie sanders. this is, in many ways, the speech she has been raring to give as she accepted claimed victory in iowa before it was certain. went on to defeat in new hampshire, the campaign trail has not been what the clinton campaign anticipated or expected as recently as six months ago. but tonight to great excitement and a great introduction by
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congressman clyburn, she came out and was eventually able to do what is very, very difficult with an election night big crowd. she brought them to silence. you could hear a pin drop. she brought the throttle all the way back and feathered the prop and she was talking about the black lives matter movement. so a big night for her tonight. and our director of elections has passed on word to us that this margin of victory could be truly sweeping and could be north of 40 points when all the votes are counted. we've got 20% in, rachel. this is a victory no matter what. >> this is only 20% in. so we cannot -- there's no reason to extrapulate before we get the numbers.
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but we are cautioned it may end up being a very large margin. heading into south carolina, it was interesting, a a lot of the polls had her in the 20-point range, somewhere between 20 and 30 polls, most polls had her there. the last wall street/nbc journal poll had the average at 28 points. but there was one poll heading into tonight's voting that was the clemson university poll, they call it the palmetto poll, with a 50-point lead. and that looked a little nutty compared to the all the other polls showing a giant lead in the 20s. but to say 50? right now with only 20% of the vote in, she's over 50 points here in terms of her lead over bernie sanders. a win is a win. but there's two reasons this is important. one is that it does beat her stated expectations, her campaign had said that they wanted to match or beat bernie sanders' 22-point margin in new hampshire. if this holds, they will absolutely do that. the other way is it is not some
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sense of momentum or enthusiasm, it is just delegates. there are 59 delegates at stake. you get less than 20 of them for winning. the rest of them get a portion based on what kind of margin you get in every congressional district in the state. if she can lock up the kind of victory that donald trump did in south carolina where he basically got every or did get every delegate in the state, that's going to have material consequence for this race going forward. >> math matters. and eugene robinson, i know its cliche to say, this is the speech she wanted to give. but this is the speech she wanted to give. >> it's the speech she wanted to give. she's been wanting to give this speech for a while. she got to give it tonight. and it was very much, i think, a forward-looking speech looking ahead, not just to super tuesday, looking ahead to the themes that she would be emphasizing were she the democratic candidate, i think. and especially that last part of the speech when she -- it was optimistic. it was, you know, we are better
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than this. our best days are ahead of us. >> no slashing attack on donald trump or anything. it was a response to him. >> it was all very uplifting and a good night for her. >> i think it was her best speech of the campaign. and that's -- this is often where they come in the big and important wins like this. her speech writing is getting better. her delivery is getting way better. she was using the prompter but it was completely natural use of the prompter. i just think it's the best speech we have seen her give this year. >> she did say -- sorry, go ahead. >> i was just going to say employing silence is also just so tough to do in a big room. >> very hard to do. >> it creates intimacy in a big room. >> and then bring it back up at the end. you know, that's art. >> she did say at the top, she congratulated senator sanders and then she said, tomorrow this campaign goes national. which is a phrase that we haven't heard and i'm not exactly sure what it means. i wrote to somebody on the clinton campaign to ask, what does that mean? and the response was, basically,
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duh, the march states. but it doesn't actually go national. where it goes is further south. and we're going to be looking at super tuesday states where we've got, you know, alabama, tennessee, georgia, all these, arkansas, all the southern states about to vote where this proportion with the black vote, this proportion of the black vote she got tonight will be absolutely her key to victory. and so they are talking about a national race, they are talking about the march states, but where we are going next is into the sec primary in the southern states. and this kind of a victory heading into that is exactly where you want to be if you were a candidate. >> the other night when we were in nevada, i asked chris matthews, former professional speech writer to critique what donald trump is doing on the stump as a speech writer would. chris matthews in columbia, south carolina, tonight. same question viz v /* avis we
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just mentioned. >> she had a background of strength party organization but hasn't had the message. bernie sanders had the message. whatever you think of it, you know what it is. tonight i think she barred a lot of it in the speech. it was a very popular speech, particularly about wall street. a lot of the key phrases and targets of bernie sanders. the second part of this speech was clearly aimed at the african-american anger and everybody's anger at the police shootings over the last several years where it seems in cold blood in many cases, although each case is its own set of facts. there's a pattern there that is very upsetting and making many people angry in this country. she went through the five families, the five victims who are now with her, the families who were there because of it. i think -- i think that hillary clinton still has to work on a couple of things in her speech appealing. this tactic of working against the applause i think is a mistake. i think that's something you should do once or twice in the speech, not a lot. i noticed donald trump goes back
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and forth, if he hears a lot of pause, he waits and responds to it. it's interactive. when you fight the applause, which is an old rhetorical method of giving a speech to show your passion, you're fighting it, your voice rises, it is sort of an old way of doing it. i think today the smart way is to be interactive. let the applause respond to that. smile, don't fight it. that's just a tactic. i agree we everybody, a strong speech. two messages, i'm not as different from bernie sanders as this debate may make us look different. secondly, the african-american community is resilient, not just victims. that was a powerful thing she said at the end, they are not to be pit tied, they are strong people that came back from 250 years of enslavement. 100 years of jim crow and 50 years of whatever we have had since and they are still up there just asking for equality. and acceptance. and it's an amazing community in
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terms of their strength. and it took somebody with a long history of the black community to dare speak as a white person about black resilience. i thought it was very powerful at the end, brian and rachel. very powerful at the end. >> to the point about the way she talked about bernie sanders as well, you know, chuck todd had predicted that tonight that this is the point in the race where the resounding victory like that where you don't need to get up there to talk about bernie sanders. you don't need to get up there and keep criticizing him. she's been harshly criticizing him. this has not been a gloves on kind of fight between them, but this will be interesting to see if this carries on until three nights from now to see if the two of them are still in a position where they are complimenting one another. they are talking about people like donald trump as the enemy, not talking about each other. we'll see if hillary clinton does turn that corner and really try to consolidate this race. >> she took a page out of the bernie sanders victory speech which is going to my website and contribute. she never bothered to do that before. when bernie does it, it helps make it very clear that he's
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dependent on your little $27 contribution. and he's not getting any of the pac money, not getting any wall street money. so there's the candidate who is getting pac money and wall street money who is using that same technique to suggest i need -- and she does, everybody does need those small individual donations. but that was a new insertion in there for her. >> yes, that's right. and the crowd responded positively to it. >> it was a very smart play. a very smart play. >> steve kornacki is looking at where the vote is coming in from. again, the size of this victory. we don't yet know what the margin will be overall. we have about 28% of the vote in. but looking at that map it seems pretty clear why the margin is so big, steve? >> what i want to show you specifically here, you talked a few minutes ago about getting an advisory here that maybe this thing is going to be bigger than it initially looked. i want to tell you why that is and tell you exactly what is happening right now. two things are happening, first of all, there was a surprise earlier in the night when the exit polls first came in. the margins for hillary clinton seemed bigger than people were expecting. now the actual votes are coming
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in and there's another surprise. let me start on this front. there were five counties in this state in 2008 when it was hillary clinton versus barack obama. five counties where barack obama got between 70% and 75% of the vote. they were by far his best counties in the state. they were heavily black counties and the assumption heading into tonight was hillary clinton at her best might come close to that, between 70% and 75%. let me show you one tonight with the actual results. this is sumter county, heavily black county. look at this, hillary clinton is getting 87% of the vote there tonight. here's another one, orangeburg county, 84%. so she is overperforming barack obama in what were barack obama's strongest areas in 2008. that's point one. the second point is this, if bernie sanders had some strength here tonight, one place people were looking were the counties with a large rural working class white population. think of the one county in the state that john edwards actually carried in this primary back in
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2008. take a look how that is voting tonight. did bernie sanders get any movement there? not really. hillary clinton's winning that with 60% of the vote. add this together in what we're seeing now in the latest wave of exit poll data is not only is hillary clinton now getting 87% of the black vote in the state, that's up from what we were saying earlier, 87%. that's more than barack obama got in 2008. check this out, this is something the clinton campaign may talk about, too. now as more data comes in, she's winning the white vote in south carolina with 53%. earlier we saw her closer to 40%. that's moved up as we got natural returns and it started matching the exit polls with returns. so hillary clinton now close to 90% of the black vote in south carolina. and now actually winning the white vote, that's what we're seeing at this hour. >> steve kornacki at the big board, thanks. the victor tonight was never really in doubt. now it's all over but the shouting about how the victory was put together. when we come back after a break, we'll talk about the next contest or more specifically
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series of contests. little super tuesday preview with our friend chuck todd and others when we continue.
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we don't need to make america great again, america's never stopped being great. [ cheers and applause ] but -- but we do need to make america whole again. instead of building walls, we need to be tearing down barriers. >> a lot of people agreed it was an interesting speech tonight. and if you were with us earlier in the evening and you had the speech preview benefit from chuck todd, you would have heard him call out a lot of these
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particulars. chuck, the first time we've been able to talk to you since calling victory for hillary clinton tonight. you kind of predicted a glancing mention of bernie sanders. you kind of predicted a glancing mention of donald trump. and here we go now to tennessee for hillary clinton tonight. >> you know, look, she's got an opportunity on tuesday to start to, if she can replicate what she did tonight, i'm still just blown away by her advantages among african-american voters in south carolina. and it's -- if she replicates the numbers throughout super tuesday, then she starts getting into that presumptive nominee territory. which is what that speech sounded like tonight. that is what a presumptive nominee gives, it's that type of speech. and it's a fascinating moment all of a sudden, a switch in tenure of this campaign. two weeks ago, i think, we all would have wondered, boy, clinton, sanders, it may take clinton months to unify the
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democratic party. when can she start on that and the general. who knew what was going to happen on the republican side? but now we see a preview of what may happen. trump as presumptive nominee has a lot more spade work to do to unite the republican party. perhaps then hillary clinton would have. i don't know if we thought it would be that much of a gap between the attempts to unify the party, but it does seem, in many ways, trump helps unify the democrats in a way that hillary should unify the republicans but with trump she doesn't. >> chuck, we're looking at the nbc news characterization of this race that the ultimate victory tonight in south carolina for hillary clinton could be 40-plus points. if there is a result that lopsided, is that qualitatively changing what this means or is a win a win is a win? >> look, i think it does this, potenti potentially, does it give suddenly hillary clinton momentum to beat sanders in
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oklahoma, minnesota, colorado, massachusetts? you know, the sanders campaign has sort of drawn, they have made their bet on super tuesday. they are not trying to win a majority of the delegates on super tuesday but they quote/unquote want to do well in the states that have smaller amounts of minority voters. but a win like this, rachel, could demoralize turnout for democrats. if it does, that's's not good for sanders. then you get more traditional democratic voter who is are sort of party line voters. she could end up -- a win like this could give her the type of momentum to allow her to win in oklahoma, in a massachusetts, when maybe had sanders had a little more momentum and not gotten crushed as badly as it looks like he's get crushed in south carolina, there would still be more hope with his supporters. so that's the danger here for sanders, right? he's trying to expand the democratic party base. he's trying to get new voters to show up to the polls. a win like this for sanders, for clinton, can be demoralizing to
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those efforts. >> chuck, for those watching at home, seeing this plot line, just to mirror the conversation that happens in a lot of homes, people then say, well, what about this e-mails thing? that's the thing we don't know about, how do you answer that question? >> well, the way i answer it, she's got -- i said this on twitter and all of her fans got upset when i mentioned this, but basically, look, if she has a night on tuesday the way she's having tonight, she's going to -- we're going to be close to saying game, set and match for her. but she has one thing that's out of her control, an fbi investigation. and it is a one hurdle this year that is out of her control. you talk to her campaign and they will tell you, it's the one thing they can't control. they can't control how this gets -- how this gets leaked out. they can't control when or if the fbi will make a decision about whether they want to bring charges or not and what justice is going to do. it's the one part of this that is not in their control. and obviously, if it goes really badly, that has an impact. if it's a slap on the wrist,
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misdemeanor or nothing, it has no impact. but it is -- it is the one hurdle that's left. if things go as well for her tuesday night as it's going tonight. >> chuck, i have one last question for you in terms of, i guess what we have learned from primaries past. it looks like tonight is going to be the fourth race in a row where the democratic party has underperformed in terms of turnout. we have seen four consecutive records in four states on the republican side. and the democrats have been down everywhere by a lot, 27% down in iowa, 13% down in new hampshire, 29% down in nevada. we don't, obviously, have a number yet, but nbc is guessing that the turnout tonight in south carolina is going to be under a half million, it was 530,000 in 2008. is that just baked into a two-person race that doesn't have donald trump in it? and that doesn't have barack obama in it? or is there any reason democrats
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should be worried extrapolating from what is going to happen in the general? >> history says the democratic party should be worried, right? history says when you have sort of this and see one party seems to have more enthusiasm, a breaking turnout record, you would say that. on the other hand, it's the trump voter, he's bringing in new people into the republican party that have not participated in primaries before, but these folks have been voting republican already. so that's what you don't know for sure. it's clear that these are folk that is haven't voted in republican primaries. but are they brand new people into the process in general that haven't been participating at all? if they are, that is a flashing yellow light for the democratic party. but it could be be that trump is essentially bringing in casual voters, if they vote, they vote republican but don't always participate in primaries, so he's increasing the primary turnout, so it's altering the party in that way, but it won't necessarily add up to anything
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in the general. so that's where, that's something we won't know until the general, but that's a way to look at this if you're not sure. because some of these trump voters, i think, are not necessarily voters that have been democrats or independents. >> chuck, thank you. i want to bring andrea mitchell into the conversation. and andrea, there's something that's been in the firmament for a couple of months now, it's almost a phrase that the republican, the democrats fear most for a lot of reasons is marco rubio. our friend chuck came along this week and said, in effect, no. no one in the clinton campaign wants to run against donald trump. no one anywhere wants to run against donald trump. look at what the guy does to you. coming off the strength of south carolina tonight, andrea, we really get to find out now what this clinton machine runs on and how much mileage they've got.
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>> and she did a glancing swipe at him tonight in talking about the quality of the rhetoric and appealing to our better angels and talking about the fact we don't need to make america great again, we need to make america whole again. that's something bill clinton has been saying on the campaign trail. but i don't see her directly going after him. first of all, it's presumptive, she's not the nominee. she's saying she'll fight for everybody vote taking nobody and nothing for granted. also, look what happens to people who challenge donald trump. the last thing they want is him going after her. and imagine the two of them on a debate stage in what he could do because of the way he talks over you, ridicules you, the insults. this could be a real problem for, i agree entirely with chuck, you were talking about the trump appeal and how that might reach across party lines. i was talking to a former democratic governor of michigan who said, remember those reagan democrats? might they respond to bernie sanders in his blue-collar
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appeal, his working class appeal, income inequality, and he said, no, because you have to register to vote in michigan. but on the day of the primary, you can choose your party. and they are going to be trump voters. he said, the reagan democrats, many of them were george wallace democrats, and that there is an undercurrent of race in a lot of what we have been hearing on the campaign, the protest vote. and that could be part of it as well. what i heard tonight from hillary clinton, though, was that she, first of all, she mentioned flint, michigan, in her debate as a closing statement. it was the first time it was mentioned in the campaign. that was a direct appeal. january 17th to the south carolina moms, the african-american women of south carolina. and that's where she started appealing to them. >> andrea mitchell in washington. chuck todd before that, thanks. we'll fit in a break here. when we come back, we get to ask nicole wallace how many states donald trump will win on super tuesday. >> we will expect a precise answer.
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we are back on this south carolina primary night. poll closed at 7:00.
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a huge margin and overwhelming victory for hillary clinton. now our conversation moving on a bit to a preview of super tuesday. and before we give nicole wallace a good grilling on live television, we have asked to talk to katy tur who is covering a trump event tonight in tennessee. and katy, i understand they are trying to get you out of the room so the secret service can go through to sweep for explosives. before you do, it was during our live coverage the night of nevada when you said, you just opened the door quoting trump aides that a super tuesday sweep is in the realm of the possible. talk about that chance as we stand here tonight. >> reporter: well, they are never going to say on the record they believe they are going to sweep all of super tuesday, but they certainly do have a good shot. and this endorsement by governor christie really put them in a good place to do that. right now when you look at donald trump and what he's won
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so far, he's won the moderate northeast, won in the religious south, won in the far west. he's a governor from the moderate northeast, a well-known governor. a hard immigration supporting governor in jan brewer. he hired mike huckabee's campaign manager and his sour, sarah huckabee sanders. she has deep roots in the south we van gthe evangelicals. you can see this reality when you go to the polls. i have been saying this for months, now, nicole wallace knows this as we have had discussions about it, his supporters are for him. they have been for him for months and are not going to change their mind. they are not paying attention to the news cycle the way we in the media pay attention to it. and they don't find that all the controversies are a bad thing for donald trump. every time the establishment pushes back or marco rubio hits them or ted cruz, his supporters
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only dmig in further. >> katy tur entering her ninth month on the road following donald trump's campaign. steve kornacki, what in terms of math can you offer where in terms this super tuesday may be headed for donald trump? >> this is where the math starts getting real. we'll have close to 600 delegates on the republican side up for grabs on tuesday. you can see where the current math stands. donald trump is out ahead of everybody, but of course the story is there that most of the delegates haven't been distributed yet. a couple things to keep in mind here for donald trump. you hear katy tur talking about the trump people would love the idea of sweeping through these states that are up on tuesday. where is he in most danger of losing? where is he most vulnerable? the obvious one is texas, ted cruz's home state. ted cruz is calling that his alamo. we'll see if trump pulls a surprise there. where else is trump vulnerable? virginia. they have a high number of republican voter who is are college graduates.
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trump has a divide on a republican side. trump is doing much better with people who do not have college degrees. also, minnesota, this was the state that is the first state this week that marco rubio campaigned in. there actually was a poll in minnesota that showed rubio ahead recently. so that's where trump may be in most danger. but if you look at the delegates here, we say there are about 600 up for grabs, the important thing in these states is they are not winner-take-all states but candidates need to be hitting at least 20% in most of these states to be collecting delegates. and if donald trump is winning these things with 35%, 37%, 38% of the vote, he could be walking out of here with a delegate lead on top of the 65 he's already at. he could add another 150, 175 on a good night to that lead. so he could walk out of here with a very big advantage if he starts racking up big numbers in these states. >> wow, thank you steve kornacki. looking at the specific states, any we'll, when steve is talking about minnesota -- those are three very different states, minnesota, virginia and texas, possibly being places where somebody else has a shot other
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than donald trump. does that ring true to you? >> well, what's funny to me about asking me how many states is trump going to win on super tuesday, marco rubio and john kasich need trump to win texas. and -- >> because that kills ted cruz. >> that kills ted cruz. and if it should go on, then cruz needs trump to win florida. so that rubio -- so even the folks that are in need, they will trump to win. you ask how many states he'll win? not everybody wants him to not win on tuesday. >> not everybody wants him to not win. >> okay. >> his competitors have reasons for -- >> the competitors need trump to prevail in their own home states. the best way to wipe out kasich. they are super annoyed how kasich should get out. they need trump to beat kasich in ohio in the best way to get cruz out of the way so rubio can
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consolidate his votes is to get trump to beat cruz in texas. >> that is certainly not incomprehensible. >> give me four tries. >> i get it. but the whole kasich should get out, he's in rubio's way, is that real or is that more denial? >> well, nothing angers the kasich folks more. >> he's going to beat trump in his home state and rubio is going to lose to trump in his home state, then rubio is the one who should get out, honestly. >> you put all of kasich's support to rubio and you're still not beating donald trump. >> listen about where we are, we are -- and i think at the root, we started talking about christie's endorsement of trump. christie endorsed trump because he was irate at the circular fighting squad that became all the republican candidates. he thinks the fact that everybody stayed in made it impossible for any of them to win and that as much to do with his support behind trump as anything else.
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>> if i was running kasich's campaign and hired you as a consultant, couldn't you go out and make the case to the media for kasich staying in and his viability and at least until ohio? >> i mean, i would. >> depending on how much you're paid. >> i think that kasich's argument is even harder than rubio's in that he hasn't -- he's not -- i think there's an obvious tier of a top three now. and i think that people accept that rubio, cruz and trump are in it. and i said this tuesday night, it's not fair. kasich is occupying a lane of room, a freeway of his own as the civility candidate in this republican primary. i love his presence in this race. but i think that it is near impossible to see him win this nomination. >> let me counter your proposal on this. >> let me hear your number. >> i'm sure they trust me on this one. because we're talking about, honestly, mathematically, two options here. donald trump wins the nomination or it is decided at the
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convention. nobody else has a path to win before the convention other than donald trump. that can be argued but i think that's the reality. so given that, the non-donald trump candidate is sort of in a position that's a little bit akin to an independent candidate. like when people are gaming out the prospect of michael bloomberg or another independent candidate, you think about it differently because then they don't have to win primaries. they don't have to lock up the republican electorate. they just have to get there. but if the way you get there is at the convention, then we don't need to talk about, well, who can unify conservative voters? who can bring the party together behind them? that's no longer the thing that kasich has to worry about. what kasich's case then is, if it gets decided at the convention, is i would be a really good general election candidate because i'm a centerist. and i would be a centerist republican running against a centerist democrat and that would give us the best shot to win. you can only make that argument if you don't make it through the primaries. you make it because you're deciding in cleveland in july in one room and everybody else has already had their say. >> listen, they have made the
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same analysis you have that should scare everybody, including you, but they don't have any plans -- he didn't say today that if he does win ohio he will get out, so i think there's some momentum and dignity in all this, if you will. i think the think that does unify them, though, and i think we talked about clinton's win all evening, is hillary clinton. republicans are unified by the desire to beat hillary clinton. >> i have never heard them say that. one, two, three, four, six. really important numbers, steve cokornack kornacki. >> what this means in terms of super tuesday, can donald trump get through the primary process, win that nomination on the first ballot? can the other candidates catch him? can they force the thing we talk about but never see a brokered convention in this is where the delegate count stands saturday night. here it is, the finish line every candidate is trying to get to. over 1200 delegates.
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we said super tuesday sets up favorably for donald trump. if the polls we're seeing in all the states are right and that's sort of what the results look like tuesday night, if we play this out a little bit, trump will probably advance to a little north of 350 delegates. rubio would probably tack on, he would probably be about 160 or so we would say. cruz, again, texas, his home state, a lot of delegates, say he does well there, he could get close to 200 delegates. so roughly speaking if the polls are right, this could be where we are looking at this coming out of super tuesday. that's when things start to get interesting. if you are marco rubio, what is your theory? how are you going to catch up to donald trump if you're almost 200 behind him? one thing the rubio people point to is his home state of florida, not until march 15th. but march 15th is a key date in this process because it's the first time it states that are allowed to do winner-take-all primaries. you win one more vote than any other candidate, you get all the candidates up for grabs. florida is one of those states. 99 delegates.
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marco rubio is losing in the polls in florida right now but his campaign is saying we are going to win it. if you do that, right away, you've cut half of donald trump's lead. you're basically at 260. ohio is a winner-take-all state. could kasich do that in his state? that could complicate things for everybody else. could rubio move to win? you start to get the winner-take-all states after march 15th. the rubio campaign believes they can win some of them. trump keeps chipping away at the winner-take-all states. that's how you get to a brokered convention we have talked about but never seen. >> as donald trump would say in a word he used three times this past week, it matters bigly. he's insisting this is a thing. >> i have two dogs, one which wags more aggressively than the other. and the fat one we call bigly and the other one who wags aggressively is squiggly. when i think he says bigly, i think he's messaging to me and my family. >> you and trump have this thing. >> i just creeped out brian
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this is going to go down as the night of hillary clinton's biggest victory of the campaign to date. and by percentage, all the way through in south carolina. but we have been looking forward to the big prizes on tuesday, super tuesday. among them, the state of texas. our friend jacob soberoff is in ft. worth, texas. ft. worth, a long time ago was a cow town, way before it became the dallas/ft. worth metroplex. but there's an old vestige of the old west out there in ft. worth, jacob? >> reporter: yes, sir, brian. greetings from the historic ft. worth stockyards here in
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tarrant, texas. this is the largest urban red county in texas. and not just because of that, but also for political nerds like myself and rachel and kornacki and others of us out there, it is a bellweather of what happens in texas as a whole. if you look at 2008 and 2012, this reflects almost exactly what happened in tarrant county. to the historic coliseum, we talked to people at the championship rodeo to see who is going to win, hometown ted cruz or donald trump who is surging out here. take a look at what they had to say. who are you leaning towards? >> right now i'm still leaning towards trump. >> reporter: donald trump, huh? over your hometown guy of ted cruz. >> yeah, i've been a businessman for 25 years and think washington needs somebody to take care of business. >> reporter: how about you? who are you voting for? >> probably donald trump. i'm still kind of looking at and
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studying it. >> reporter: who are you going to vote for? >> i'm going to swing for donald trump, honestly. he's probably the best guy right now. >> reporter: do you think cruz is in trouble on tuesday here? >> i think donald trump is going to give him a run for his money, honestly. >> reporter: cruz doesn't look like he's going to beat trump out. i would love to go for cruz, but because the polls are in trump's favor right now, i would choose for the winner. i'm big on immigration, build a wall. i'll help build it. i mean, and i'm a mexican-american. so i'm all for it. >> i'm a ted cruz guy for sure. >> reporter: but you like trump's message better? >> i like trump's message. >> reporter: what does cruz need to do better here? >> step up his competition and quit being so political. if he's more himself and he called donald trump out for what he is, more power to him. bring it on. >> reporter: brian, rachel, if what went on inside that building last night is any indication, donald trump looks to have a good tuesday coming up in just a couple of days. i talked to a local election official here who says early
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voting just like we have seen, unlike what we saw tonight in south carolina with the democrats, but just like what we have seen with republicans across the country so far this cycle turned out early voting and it's through the roof. 75% republican, 25% democrat. so now it all comes down to, as always, with the get out the vote effort. we'll see what happens coming up on tuesday. >> we should also tell folks, if you ever have a chance to be right where jacob is standing, it's one of the great spots deep in the heart of texas in ft. worth. jacob, thank you very much. i don't think i have been as fascinated with voter interviews as much as this year. i can watch them all day. a break, we'll be right back, f if.
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we are back on this night of the south carolina democratic primary. let's look at this number, 78% of the vote in. hillary clinton with 74% of the
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counted vote to bernie sanders' 26%. a victory, our election desk called overwhelming early in the evening at 7:00 p.m. they were right. chris matthews is standing by in columbia, south carolina, with one of the many native-born south carolinians who went on to fame and fortune elsewhere. chris? >> reporter: not only that but a friend of my, kathleen parker, who writes a big syndicated column around the country. one of the biggest syndicated writers around the country. and she lives and is born and of south carolina. explain what happened here, in terms of male and female if you can among other things. or anything else you want to talk about. >> since we have two-and-a-half minutes i'll make it snappy. but i think it was not surprising that hillary would win, obviously. i think the most interesting thing from today was the fact that she won the young people as well from the african-american groups that overwhelmingly supported her. the fact that she was able to capture that audience does not
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surprise anyone because she worked that hard, hard, hard. she was going to churches and, you know, meeting with african-american groups over and over again. she's quite comfortable in that environment and they are very comfortable with her. she's the familiar face. and the long history of the contents in south carolina. >> the primaries mean a whole lot but the chances of the democrats, whether bernie or hillary, carrying the state in november are what? >> say that again. >> what chance do the democrats have of carrying this state in november? >> winning this state in november? you know, i wouldn't put it out, if donald trump is the nominee, i think you will see a lot of people crossing over to vote for hillary clinton should she be the nominee. i actually do think that women will vote for her and even men. >> i have to tell you, brian and rachel, a moment ago you were trying to figure out the politics and the thinking of ft. worth, texas. you know, that was what jack kennedy was doing the day he was killed. he was riding in the car with a
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local congressman, and with john connolly, the governor, trying to figure out why dallas was so right-wing and ft. worth was still democrat. he couldn't figure it out. dallas was high-rise buildings, everybody wearing a white shirt. everybody wanted to be a republican like a boss. it was factories and economic culture in ft. worth. that's why it was democrat. he was talking about this an hour before he was killed. >> the texas race alone will be such a fascinating part of super tuesday. chris, thanks to you and kathleen. our only big question tonight, there's a guy that looks like hal hollbrooke at the bar since this afternoon. we would like to know more about him, perhaps we'll delve into that. >> i've talked to him. >> the man in the blue shirt. >> kathleen just made a remarkable situation. is south carolina in reach for the democrats in general in she
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said if donald trump is the nominee, could be. the freakout within the republican party about the prospect of their front-runner locking up this nomination is a huge story, it's a story with international interest at this point. >> why are you looking at nicole wallace? >> because nicole wallace is vibrating at a high intensity at this point. she's six inches above her seat. you're freaking out. >> those interviews at the red owe knocked me over because they speak to trump's political brilliance. he talks about his poll numbers on the stump every day for the first 15 to 20 minutes and is hard-wiring the minds of those in texas. >> the woman who said i like cruz and it looks like trump is going to win. >> we all said that to some degree. >> trump is not ahead in texas according to the polls. there are some poll that is have cruz a bit ahead. but the impression she has is trump is the winner. >> but does ted cruz have any prospects of winning anywhere other than texas? >> he doesn't talk about it.
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so you have to think a campaign that's been so technically precise. i mean, their predictions in iowa, they had it down, they had the turnout model down to within 10,000 voters. this is a technically and operationally very, very good campaign. so they are not talking about winning anywhere other than texas. >> it's amazing to be a texas senator, thinking that you're going to win texas and not being able to say you're also going to win oklahoma. that's stunning. i mean, if ted cruz, obviously, it's a big deal that he couldn't win in south carolina, but if the only thing he can win is iowa and his home state, the idea of ted cruz being viable is definal to me. >> there's a poll out saying trump is more popular among the evangelical than the pope. chew on that. >> marco rubio is making a joe namath promise to win florida. >> take it to the bank. this week the marco rubio
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campaign said take it to the bank that marco rubio will win florida. don't talk about banks. >> you have to break them up. we are down to the closing seconds of our coverage tonight. >> this is going to be -- we have to rush home to sleep fast because on tuesday it's going to be all night. >> yes. we can sleep when we're you know what. >> yes. tuesday night is super tuesday, we'll be on the air as of 6:00 p.m. eastern. it's going to be a big deal. >> we should thank all of our family and friends here for coming in to work on a saturday night. and most importantly, the folks at home who have watched our coverage as we ask you to join us as we do this all again only on steroids tuesday night. and we really, when mrs. -- when former secretary of state hillary clinton says this goes national, that's what she meant. there's your projected winner tonight. right now the percent annals running 74% to 26% with 81% in. so far all our friends here, for
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