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attention to donald trump. >> we don't need to make america great again. america has never stopped being great. but, but we do need to make america whole again. instead of building walls, we need to be tearing down barriers. >> on tuesday, democrats in 11 states go to the polls. the only time that bernie sanders talked about the south carolina results was with reporters on the airport tarmac. he admitted it was a tough defeat. but is vowing to fight on.
>> on a given night, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. tonight we lost. i congratulate secretary clinton on her very strong victory. tuesday over 800 delegates are at stake, and we intend to win many, many of them. thank you all very much. >> sanders will campaign today in minnesota and oklahoma. clinton will be in tennessee and arkansas. let's start with nbc's kristen welker, covering the clinton campaign in south carolina. >> reverend al, good morning. secretary clinton and senator sanders set their sights on super tuesday states today, but this race has fundamentally changed after clinton broke all expectations with her overwhelming defeat of senator sanders here in south carolina on saturday. today, secretary clinton is starting a new phase of her campaign. >> thank you so much, south carolina!
>> reporter: after her lights-out defeat of bernie sanders saturday night. >> tomorrow, this campaign goes national! >> reporter: clinton, now on her strongest footing yet, after beating sanders by more than 50 points in the palmetto state. >> we are going to compete for every vote, in every state. we are not taking anything, and we're not taking anyone, for granted. >> reporter: sanders, who was on a plane to minnesota as the devastating results came in, vowed to fight on. >> tuesday over 800 delegates are at stake, and we intend to win many, many of them. >> reporter: perhaps the most worrying sign for sanders, as they head into super tuesday, clinton captured nearly 90% of african-americans here. an even larger percentage than barack obama won in 2008. clinton, seeming to pivot to the general election, with this less than subtle swipe at donald trump. >> we don't need to make america
great again. america has never stopped being great. >> reporter: but there are still clouds that hang over clinton's campaign. underscored on friday when a veteran pressed former president bill clinton about the benghazi attacks in 2012. >> wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. do you -- do you have the courage to listen to my answer? don't throw him out. if he'll shut up and listen to my answer i'll answer it. >> reporter: clinton aides point out that president clinton allowed that protester to go on for nearly two minutes before he ultimately cut him off. meanwhile, secretary clinton heads to the super tuesday state of arkansas and tennessee today, senator sanders heads to oklahoma and colorado. reverend al, back to you. >> kristen welker, thanks. now let's bring in msnbc's alex sites wall in columbia, south carolina with some more
analysis. alex how does this decisive victory affect the democratic race? >> well, reverend, i think it's very tough for bernie sanders at this point. surpassed expectations and that huge number with the african-american vote in particular kinds proves the theory of the case that the clinton campaign had made all along that their advantage with minorities would power her to the nomination. we're now heading to super tuesday, 11 states at lay. the bernie sanders campaign is targeting five, the clinton campaign is targeting six. the issue is that there are simply more delegates in those six states than in those five states. and those six states are large african-american populations, some with large latino populations. so going forward she clearly has the initiative now. she has the large advantage, and it's going to be tough for sanders to catch up. more things have to go right for him in order to get back on the path to nomination and a few things have to go wrong for her, as well. >> what are the expectations for super tuesday from the clinton campaign? >> so they're hoping for a
clinton sweep of the south. and you have a bunch of states in play, arkansas, tennessee, georgia, texas, they're hoping to win all of those, especially texas. and they're hoping to put up a big margin there because there are 222 delegates at stake, by far the biggest prize available on super tuesday. for sanders, they're targeting the caucus states in the west. you have colorado and minnesota. also hoping for a win in massachusetts, of course, his home state of vermont, and interestingly, oklahoma where they think they can do well, as well. he could still have a nice night super tuesday. but when you add it together in the grand scheme of the election you're looking at sell gatts, not states. that's what really matters and there are just more delegates in the democratic party in diverse states like texas than there are in other states like minnesota, where the sanders campaign is hoping to do well. >> alex seitz-wald thank you very much. now, let's turn to the republican race. which is getting weirder and nastier by the day.
with nearly 600 delegates at stake on tuesday, some of at tacks are almost getting comical. particularly between marco rubio and donald trump. >> he's flying around on hair force one, and tweeting, so here's the one tweet he put out. he put out a picture of me having makeup put on me at the debate. which is amazing to me, that a guy with the worst spray tan in america is attacking me for putting on makeup. doesn't trump likes to sue people. he should sue whoever did that to his face. >> it's a nasty business this world of politics. i'll tell you what, the lies, the deception, it's -- i used to think real estate in manhattan was bad. that's peanuts compared to this stuff. you deal with liars, you deal with major, major sleaze.
do we know what sleaze is? and, you know, little marco rubio, this guy that he's going around, he's going crazy. he's number two or three in florida. he's a senator. he's 22 points behind. if he ran in florida today for an office, he couldn't run for dog catcher. he wouldn't be elected. he wouldn't be elected. he's unelectable. and we're going to beat him badly in florida. that's going to be in a couple of weeks. >> ted cruz is also keeping up his attacks on trump. hitting him for not releasing his taxes. >> maybe his tax returns show that he doesn't quite have as much money as he says he does. the other hand, maybe his tax returns show that he's been giving money to a bunch of liberal causes. >> it's a three-way brawl, just
as it was at the last debate. >> i got double-teamed by these two characters. i'm sitting in the middle. and i saw them shaking hands before the debate. and i knew there was something going on, and then they have a picture of -- i'm standing there and they're shaking hands behind me, getting ready to go. so we got double-teamed by two crooked senators. you have one who's a liar, and then you have the other one who may be a worse liar, that's rubio. i will say this, cruz is smarter than rubio. i will let you know in a few months who's the better liar, okay? i haven't determined. >> and with just two days to go, trump, rubio and cruz will be hitting the trail hard. once again today. nbc's gabe gutierrez is live in virginia with the rubio campaign. gabe, now rubio is talking about hair force one, and spray tans.
do you think these attacks will work? hey there, reverend al. good morning. it's hard to believe that this is a presidential campaign xp it's also hard to believe that just a few days ago, marco rubio was getting criticism for not going after donald trump hard enough. well that obviously changed in the debate on thursday. since then he has laid in to trump over and over again. you played some of those sound bites there. he's going after trump from everything from tweeting on what he called hair force one, to poking fun at his spray tan. donald trump has really gone past using the word liar. that's, if he'd stop -- he went well past that a few days ago. now he's referring to marco rubio openly as a sleaze bag. again, it's hard to believe that this is a presidential campaign. but the rubio campaign really believes that they are getting under trump's skin. in his speech yesterday trump spent large chunk of it talking about marco rubio, and so the rubio campaign feels it's really making some headway. they're even launching a website
called trumpslams.com. now this all comes as rubio faces a steep climb on super tuesday. he's trailing trump in virtually all of the super tuesday states. trump really only behind ted cruz in the polling in cruz's home state of texas. but rubio, his campaign feels that they can make a play for a few of those states, do well, pick up delegates -- >> yeah but that's my question, because -- >> in virginia they have -- >> because a lot of the attack on rubio is that he hasn't won anything. does the rubio campaign think they'll win anything on super tuesday? >> yeah, that's the question, al. the rubio campaign will only say that they hope to do well on tuesday and hope to pick up some delegates and they're in this fight for the long haul. however they are making a play for virginia. the campaign is buying lots of ad time here, around $500,000 this week in the super pac backing marco rubio is also doing the same. and they have four stops here in virginia. they feel they can do well in
the virginia suburbs here. and perhaps pick up some momentum then heading into super tuesd tuesday. now that will be the big test, al, for marco rubio. can he do well in his home state of florida. right now, of course, as donald trump is quick to point out, rubio is trailing him by double digits according to one poll. so that will be the question, can marco rubio turn it around. >> that will be the big question that we'll all be watching. gabe gutierrez, thank you very much this morning. >> you bet. let's turn to nbc's hallie jackson live in oklahoma city with the cruz campaign. hallie, cruz's home state of texas votes on tuesday. must-win for him. am i right? >> cruz himself, you know, has called it the crown jewel of super tuesday, and has called super tuesday the most important day of his campaign so far. so, yes, he's got to win his home state. if he can't win in texas, the state where he lives, the state where he's been brought up, the state where he has some 27,000
volunteers that have been out working for him, then it is very difficult to see what his path forward is if he can't claim victory in texas. so you're seeing ted cruz spend a lot of time there tomorrow and then tuesday. he is here in oklahoma city today. i'm told by his campaign to keep an eye on arkansas, as well. so, it's a big day for ted cruz. he has not lowered expectations at all for supertuesday. he's very clear about what this day means for his campaign in particular. even though donald trump has been looking strong in some of those southern states where months ago, the consensus was that cruz could do very well there. places like alabama, tennessee, georgia -- >> hallie -- >> setting up really kind of a wild day. >> hallie is cruz worried about being left out as trump and rubio focus on each other? >> you know, it's a fair question. because what we've seen from marco rubio in just the last three days is this sort of new tone, these insults, talking about the slams. talking about the hits. talking about his ears. his spray tan.
hair force one. ted cruz hasn't done that kind of attack against donald trump. his attacks he has tried to say has been more about policy, has been more about drawing contrasts between the candidates, have been more on temperament for example. what you did see, though, which is interesting is cruz kind of try to insert himself in that a little bit more over the last day. i think because we are talking a lot about donald trump and marco rubio, so cruz, this is a way for him to kind of get in the mix a little bit. and make this a three-man race, ultimately hoping to make it a two-man race. he hopes between himself and donald trump. >> hallie jackson, thanks so much. still ahead, we'll hear from the national press secretary for the sanders campaign. how will he recover from his big defeat last night? also, new buzz about loretta lynch as a supreme court nominee. that fight about to dominate washington. and raising the stakes for presidential race.
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i want to take a brief moment just to mention to you the differences on some key issues between secretary clinton and myself. it must be a really excellent, wonderful speech. and therefore you should be very proud to release the transcript of that speech. clearly must have been an unforgettable speech. share it with the people! >> senator bernie sanders, continuing to attack his opponent, hillary clinton, on
her paid wall street speeches. in the hours after his crushing defeat in the south carolina primary, now he sets his sights on super tuesday. with nearly a third of the delegates needed to win the nomination up for grabs tuesday. joining me now is national press secretary for the bernie sanders campaign, simone sanders. simone, you run press for the campaign. what's the headline you want out there this morning? >> well, rev, thanks for having me this morning. the head line we want out there is exactly what we're doing. the fight rolls on to super tuesday. as the senator has noted, some days you win some, some days you lose some. last night secretary clinton had a decisive victory here in south carolina. and we congratulate her for that. in new hampshire senator sanders had a decisive victory. now the fight rolls on to super tuesday. tonight -- last night was not the end. it was just the beginning. you know, this is going to be a long nominating contest, rev.
yes, we have some work to do with african-american voters. but that's work that we're committed to doing. and we think we can win. you know, we had 10,000 people when we were out in austin, texas, yesterday. we had almost 8,000 people when we were in dallas. we had a sizable crowd in minnesota last night. so, we're not down and out. this is just the beginning. >> well, you're doing good. i mean, i say you're real good because it's a tough morning for you to have to deal with this. what are you going to do differently on tuesday? 84% of the black vote in south carolina went to mrs. clinton. you say you have work to do there. how are you going to approach that differently with what, less than 48 hours to go. the youth vote did not come out in the numbers that many kept saying he would bring young people out. it didn't happen. what's going to happen different tuesday? what is going to make it different than south carolina? you know what, rev? we have been going out there,
meeting with voters. we've been in texas. we've been in chicago. we were in ohio last week. we were in minnesota. you know, so we have been going out there and doing that work of meeting with voters. we have had state directors in each of the march 1 states for a very long time now. so they did not just get there. so we think that we're going to turn out some decisive victories on tuesday. we're not going to win them all. but this is a delegates game. and so i think our message, taking on this economy held in place by a system of corrupt campaign finance is something that voters, black, white, latino, hispanic, asian-american and native american can get behind. we did garner support in south carolina. if we had more time, lord knows what would have happened. and so as we look forward to super tuesday, and beyond super tuesday because it's not over on super tuesday, either, we have march 5th contests, march 8th, march 15th and so on. as we look forward to the contests in march, we are committed to really drilling down our message and taking it to the voters. you know --
>> when you say your message, simone, i just played a clip of the senator going after secretary clinton on her wall street speeches. are we going to see more of the attacks, or more of the confronting her, not necessarily like the republicans getting kind of mean and nasty, but -- >> never like the republicans. never like the republicans. >> all right. >> because we're not attacking them. >> kind of more of a frontal kind of policy kind of attack? >> look, reverend al, senator sanders has never ran a negative campaign. he has noted that this campaign is about bringing people together. it's not about attacking anyone. and releasing the transcripts, secretary clinton releasing those transcripts, it's good for the party, you know. she noted she'd release them. we just think she should release the transcripts. it's good for the party. the american people deseev to see them. bus that's not an attack. senator sanders is just being frank and saying what the people -- what the people want.
so, we're not attacking. as we go forward in this contest we're going to continue to speak about the issues. senator sanders has been excellent record to stand on, whether we're talking about trade. whether we're talking about civil rights, criminal justice reform. whether we're talking about taking on the billionaires in this country, standing up for hard-working american people, and we're going to talk about that record. so that's what you can expect to see going on in this mom naturing contest. >> all right. well i haven't endorsed a candidate but i endorse you as a good person to get up for me on sunday morning after taking a licking. simone sanders, thanks for your time. >> i appreciate it. >> coming up, the fight over donald trump's taxes. is he trying to hide how much he's really worth? our gotcha is next.
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refusing to do the same, citing ongoing tax audits. >> until such time as it's finished, i won't be going and releasing, because obviously that wouldn't be a very good thing to do. >> but some people just can't wait for those tax returns. like the last gop presidential nominee, mitt romney. who kicked off a firestorm with this speculation. >> frankly, i think we have good reason to believe that there's a bombshell in donald trump's taxes. either he's not anywhere near as wealthy as he says he is, or he hasn't been paying the kind of taxes we would expect him to pay. >> so, just how much is trump really worth? last year trump said $10 billion. >> i built a net worth of more than $10 billion. in a world-class businessman. all over the world i build. i have some of the great assets
of the world. and that's -- i don't say that in a braggadocious way. >> but, forbes says he's actually worth $4.5 billion. this is a sore spot for the donald. in 2006, he sued an author to put his worth between $150 million and $250 million. in the deposition, trump explained how he's estimating his wealth. quote, my net worth fluctuates, and it goes up and down with markets, and with attitudes, and with feelings. even my own feelings. end of quote. feelings? but donald, you can't spend feelings. so until you release your taxes, you can take this to the bank. nice try. but we gotcha.ay . ...earned you miles to get to the places you really want to go.
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i'm going to nominate somebody and let the american people decide as to whether that person is qualified. >> president obama this week talking about the gop refusal to move forward with filling the vacancy on the supreme court. on tuesday, republican senator mitch mcconnell, and chuck grassley, will meet with the president to talk about it. maybe he should bring up how they've held the opposite view in the past. in 2008, senator grassley said, quote, the reality is that the senate has never stopped confirming judicial nominees during the last few months of a president's term. and in 1970, mcconnell wrote, quote, the president is presumably elected by the people to carry out a program, and altering the ideological directions of the supreme court
would seem to be a perfectly legitimate part of a presidential platform. to be fair, republicans point out that vice president biden once argued there should be no supreme court nominations in an election year. but americans largely agree with president obama. 56% say the senate should hold hearings. and vote. on his nominee. joining me now is congresswoman karen bass, democrat from california, and member of the house judiciary committee. thank you for being here this early. >> thanks for having me on, rev. >> what will it take for your counterparts in the senate, mcconnell and grassley, namely, to change their minds? >> well, i think it's certainly going to be public pressure. because remember the same voices that say that they don't want to confirm or even conduct a hearing are the same voices that said that they were going to do
everything they could to block the president before he even took office. so i think there's some consistency in what they're saying. but at the same time, they also talk about upholding the constitution, and the constitution is very clear. the constitution says the president shall nominate a justice. and so, i think if they really are strong proponents, and always adhere to the constitution, they absolutely have to conduct a hearing, and make a decision on a nominee. >> isn't this part, in many ways, many of us are viewing of them continuing seven years in to act as though he is not the real president, and to limit his powers? because he's the president till january 20th of next year. >> i know. and you know, it has been very difficult over these last seven years to see the way they have disrespected him every opportunity they have had. you know, if you look at the reagan presidency, in the last
few months of his presidency, he nominated justice kennedy. and it was a democratic senate that confirmed him. so there's absolutely precedent here and there's no precedent to do what they're talking about. but my point is, even when democrats were in control, and had many issues with president reagan, they still went ahead and fulfilled their duties and i think that that's exactly what they should do now. >> we have no idea where the president is leaning in terms of making a nomination or who he would name. but i'm hearing new buzz around the name loretta lynch, the sitting attorney general. >> well, i think many people would like to see an african-american on the supreme court. we don't really need to go in to clarence thomas' background or his behavior on the court. but i think to have an african-american voice that has definitely not been there since thurgood marshall would really be an incredible contribution to
our country. and you know, i'm sure that the president is going to nominate somebody that it's going to make it very hard for the republicans to come up with a legitimate justification for why they won't conduct a hearing. but let's see, i'm hoping public pressure will make them do their job. >> do you think that whomever the president would nominate, be they african-american or not, that would be more moderate, would in any way temper some of the hostility of the republicans to going on with the process, or no matter what he did, no matter who he nominated, there's some that are going to dig in and try to stall this until we have a new president. >> well, i actually think it's both. i think that there will be senators that will feel tremendous amount of pressure. if he nominates a moderate. and then i think there's other senators who are going to dig their heels in. you know one of mcconnell's points is that we need to wait until the election until the
people have spoken. well what did the people do over the last two elections? the president was nominated with clear majorities. there was no dispute about his election. and so given that, the people have spoken. what holds them back? the only thing that holds them back is the fact that they have had difficulty for seven, almost seven and a half years accepting the fact that barack obama is the president of the united states. it's so sad, considering the rest of the worlds acertainly accepted that, and has held the president in high esteem. >> all right. congresswoman karen bass, and i might note, neither you or i are suggesting clarence thomas is not african-american. we just may agree with how he has -- >> an african-american voice. >> that's right. >> all right. i just wanted to clarify that. thank you very much again. >> thank you. >> still ahead, are you smarter than a third grader? a very simple reason why donald trump's message may be resonating with so many americans. (man) hmm. what do you think?
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i will address, you know, little rubio. this guy, has a fresh mouth. he's a very nasty guy. and i actually thought that ted cruz was a liar, but rubio is worse. i listen to this light, little nothing say trump's a con man, isn't it a disgrace? rubio's won nothing. he couldn't get elected dog catcher in florida. they hate him in the state of florida. >> just when you think the gop presidential race couldn't get any nastier, it does. donald trump ripping in to marco rubio. who is now hitting back with a sustained personal line of attack. >> he is a guy that's been protected his whole life and privileged his whole life and
insulated his whole life. nothing tough about any of that. this is a massive fraud that he's perpetuating. here's the problem the stakes are not just a fake degree, the stakes are giving control of the party of lincoln and reagan, of the conservative movement, and ultimately of the united states, over to a con artist. that will not happen. i make this promise to you today, i will do whatever it takes, i will campaign as long as it takes, i will stay in this race as long as it takes. donald trump, a con artist, will never get control of this party. >> but, is it too late? "the new york times" reporting that some gop leaders are already prepping for the trump nomination. quote, the senate majority leader mitch mcconnell of kentucky has laid out a plan that would have howmakers break with mr. trump, explicitly in the general election. they would run -- they could run
negative ads about mr. trump to create space between him and republican senators seeking re-election. mr. mcconnell has said we'll drop him like a hot rock. it's an extraordinary idea that republicans might run negative ads against the gop nominee. but one thing is clear, trump is generating excitement among the base. with more people voting for him than for mitt romney, or john mccain at similar points in the last two cycles. joining me now is "washington post" columnist dana milbank and gop strategist susan del percio. susan let me go to you first. >> sure. >> did most republicans ever think we'd be at this point with donald trump? >> they certainly did not. six months ago everyone was still kind of laughing about donald trump, saying, wow i
can't believe he's done this. he has led a steady charge. and he has been successful candidate. he's actually grown a lot as a candidate, as well. the question is, like you said in your intro, is there anything left to be done to stop him? marco rubio's making a go of it, but we won't know for another two weeks. >> dana, rubio's trying to go punch for punch with trump. >> mm-hmm. >> can he pull it off? >> well, look, reverend, i think it may be too little too late here. i and many others have been saying you need to take trump seriously and take him on. and they just failed to do it. or you know, somebody would come out and do it like jeb bush and then he got knocked down. and the next guy would do it. they really had an opportunity to define donald trump, the con man is a pretty good way of doing it, since it has the additional value of being true. but they didn't press this case, and they allowed donald trump to get this head of steam, and it
is hard to see, even if this attack sticks, how marco rubio can stop it at this point. >> susan, let me ask, if marco rubio wins florida march 15th, if ted cruz wins texas, if kasich wins ohio, does that stopple donald trump to some degree? do we start seeing his momentum undercut with big states going to their incumbent senators and governor in the case of ohio, and does that lead to a higher possibility of a brokered convention? >> well, it's an interesting thing that you just laid out there, reverend. because, kasich came out today saying if i don't win ohio, i'm out. it's widely believed if cruz doesn't win texas he's out. if all three are winning their home state, including rubio, meaning winning florida, there's no reason for them to get out. and the only hope they have now of stopping trump is, in fact,
to get behind one candidate. which is why super tuesday is so important for marco rubio, because he should be able to win or hopefully for his campaign he'll win one other state, that will make him look good. also, where does he come in on second and third? how does that play out? is he getting close to donald trump? he has to keep these sustained attacks up if they are going to work. what you mentioned, and dana mentioned about the other candidates, is that they made an attack and then they pulled back. they always pulled back. marco rubio appears to keep going, consistently on an attack, and on an attack that is getting underneath donald trump's skin. >> now, talking about those attacks, dana, you have the second candidate, number two candidate, though he's distant but he's number two, now calling the front-runner a con man. let's say donald trump is the nominee. you have mcconnell, according to "new york times," talking about senate republicans running for
re-election doing negative ads against him. how does this fare with the republican party trying to win the white house, if their own nominee's been called a con man by the second man in the race, in the primary races, and has his own incumbent senators running negative ads against him? >> well, it's not ideal, reverend. in fact, worse has been said about donald trump by people other than marco rubio. assuming that trump continues on this trajectory, and clinches the nomination, you're going to see the republicans are going to face a very interesting choice. do they swallow it and get behind this guy, who has said all of these horrible things, and who they think could basically destroy the party, or do they just blow it up on their own, with a third party candidacy, something that guarantees that trump will not get the presidency? it may give hillary clinton the presidency, but the idea is in order to save the republican party you have to destroy it. >> let me ask about this.
dana, you wrote a column about how trump speaks at a third grade level at his rallies. and why that is one of the reasons that he may be effective. you say, quote, americans, particularly those who are angry and anxious, as trump followers are, wish to be told that they will obey, that there are simple answers. how does trump's rivals counter that kind of message? and does that offend the republicans who -- >> well, they haven't countered it very effectively. you can actually measure this sort of thing. you know, you have rubio and carson out there speaking at what's the equivalent of a tenth grade level. you have cruz, you have kasich in sort of middle school and then you have donald trump talking to the third graders. and that's why he's not so much that he's appealing to the republican base, i think the republican base is more interested in people like cruz. but you see him bringing lots of
other disaffected voices in. and this is who he's speaking to, those who are less educated. less wealthy, and have been basically feeling abused by this economy. those are the people he's speaking to. nobody else on the republican side -- >> susan is that accurate or offensive? how do you respond to dana's theory? >> i'm not a schoolteacher and i don't know how to grade what level people are speaking at, but donald trump is using a very simplistic message and it is working, like dana said, with a group of people who are angry and frustrated, and he doesn't have to give a lot of specifics. and i think that's more or less what dana may be referring to. he just has these three-word answers, make america great or what have you and he doesn't give any substance behind it. but people are so fed up with politicians. they don't believe what they say. i mean, donald trump is still using something like, we're going to get rid of the deficit by waste, fraud and abuse. politicians have been saying that for decades now and it's done absolutely nothing.
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back with me now is "washington post" columnist dana milbank, and republican strategist susan del percio. dana, do you think even the clinton campaign is surprised by how decisive her victory was last night in south carolina? >> i know they're surprised. it was, you know, way beyond anything that was being seen in the polls. you know, it's really just a breathtaking margin. and you know, we've gone from this, you know, just in the space of just a few days from saying, oh, hillary's got some real trouble to saying she's completely inevitable, and there's no way to stop her. >> susan, one thing i note is that through the first four states, republican turnout is much higher than democratic turnout. should democrats be worried that donald trump is firing up the base in ways the democrats haven't been able to fire up their base? >> they should be. and what's also interesting in
some of these states, as well, we've had open primaries. so democrats and/or independents can participate on either the democrat or the republican primary. so, that definitely goes to your point there. there was also some talk back in new hampshire, you had a lot of people out there saying i don't know if i'm a bernie sanders voter or a donald trump voter. those were the decisions. so that is at outsider personality coming through that people do want, because they are frustrated. >> dana, so, this general election, if it's trump and clinton as it appears this morning, may be down to turnout. but, my experience is you have to turn people on before you can turn them out to vote. and what does hillary clinton have to do to turn more people on? because even in the primary races, we're not seeing big numbers come out compared to what's coming out on the republican side. >> right, reverend. and it is potentially worrying
for democrats that they're not generating those kind of numbers. i think it would be downright alarming if they wound up with marco rubio as their opponent. if they wind up with trump as their opponent, that's a huge gift to hillary clinton and the democrats, because that, by itself, has the virtue of firing up the democratic base. also has the virtue of turning off a lot of independents. so in a way, hillary clinton's work is done for her because it's so much easier to run against donald trump. and yes he generates some enthusiasm out there. but that is not by any stretch a majority of the american electorate he's appealing to. >> dana milbank and susan del percio, thanks and enjoy the rest of your sunday. that does it for me. thanks for watching. later today, i'll be joining a rally here in l.a. calling for more diversity at the oscars, and more fairness in the selection of nominees, and in
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morning the bernie sanders camp is pondering their path forward after last night's thorough defeat here in this state. now in a moment we're going to have more on the state of the democratic race. on the gop side, though, a fact timly of the day before and the day before that the same voices delivering, yes, folks, some of the same, shrill, personal insults, perhaps going up a notch. >> this week, where it became clear that donald trump's record is not that of a conservative. >> there was a growing consensus in this party that we cannot nominate a con artist. >> i will address, you know, little rubio. this guy has a fresh mouth, he's a very nasty guy. >> when did we get to the point in this country where we can call these kinds of names and have people actually represent themselves as leaders in this country to these young people? enough of this trash. >> all this is driving towards
super tuesday. 40-plus hours before voting actually begins in states across the southeast, and we're going to break it all down right here. you're watching the place for politics. good morning, and if last night's results were not enough we have yet new polls for you released by nbc news, "the wall street journal", and marist this morning and they show front-runners in both parties consolidating leads in some of those key super tuesday states. take a look here with the republicans. donald trump, seven points in georgia, and 18 points up in tennessee. and while ted cruz is at least winning his home state of texas, marco rubio can't much of the same he's looking at basically a tie there in georgia and two distant third place finishes. party leaders are wringing their hands at the prospect of what looks increasingly like a trump
nomination. this morning, trump fired a warning shot, though, for any attempts to undermine him tweeting, quote, the republican establishment has been pushing for lightweight senator marco rubio to say anything to hit trump. i kinded the pledge. careful. end quote. now that last remark does seem to be something of a reference to that republican loyalty pledge that trump signed last year to not run as a third party candidate. day day by day the nomination fight among the top three republicans does get nastier and more personal. many say more so than any recent race. take, for example, the bile and rhetoric spewed saturday. >> i will address, you know, little rubio. this guy has a fresh mouth, he's a very nasty guy. and i actually thought that ted cruz was a liar, but rubio is worse. >> he put out a picture of me having makeup put on me at the debate.
which is amazing to me, that a guy with the worst spray tan in america is attacking me for putting on makeup. donald trump likes to sue people. he should sue whoever did that to his face. >> oh, snap, now the democratic race on the other hand a little bit more straightforward. this according also to the new polls i mentioned released this hour. clinton clobbering sanders as she promises to take the nomination fight national. her smallest lead here would be 21 points over sanders in texas, and that's a state he had pinned his hopes on. >> texas will be electing more delegates than any other state on tuesday. >> we've now gone through four early states, and i want to congratulate senator sanders on running a great race. and -- and tomorrow, this
campaign goes national! >> that was hillary clinton, of course, last night. feeling confident with two days to go. candidates in both parties are fanning out all across the super tuesday states. you see it there. clinton in nashville and pine bluffs, arkansas. bill clinton and chelsea holding separate events, as well. meanwhile republicans hitting alabama to massachusetts up north and then back down to oklahoma and virginia. msnbc has reporters today covering both sides of this evolving race. is nbc's kristen welker right here in columbia, south carolina following the democrats and hillary clinton's huge win, nbc's gabe gutierrez with a look at super tuesday, jacob soboroff down in texas but we'll begin with hallie jackson in oklahoma city. she has the latest on the fierce battle for the gop nomination. h hallie? >> i think you said it best when you said oh, snap. because that's kind of the reaction we've been hearing over the last 24 hours with his
escalating tone between marco rubio, between donald trump. you read that tweet from trump. that warning shot the republican establishment and just to give you a sign of sort of the split within the gop, i want to share with you one of chris christie's top allies said just moments ago. a new statement to nbc. we're talking about meg whitman. she was christy's finance co-chair. she called his endorsement of donald trump an astonishing display of political tuneism. after a sudden endorsement, a quick good-bye. >> over here. you go home. >> chris christie, taking off, but it's the insults flying between donald trump and marco rubio. >> he's flying around on hair force one and tweeting. >> thank god he has really large ears. the biggest ears i've ever seen because they were protecting him. >> a guy with the worst spray tan in america is attacking me for putting on makeup. >> rubio, matching his onstage
hits with online ones. his campaign launching trumpslams.com with super tuesday just 48 hours away. trump, on top, looking to all but lock up the nomination. >> a lot of outsiders are coming in because they like what i say. >> the stakes are giving control of the party of lincoln and reagan, of the conservative movement, and ultimately of the united states, over to a con artist. i will stay in this race as long as it takes. >> maybe all the way to a contested convention. iraq yo, ready for it. even as establishment republicans cory his tough new tone may be too late. "the new york times" reporting a frantic scramble to try to slow trump down. the attacks against him, escalating. >> now it doesn't hurt that he inherited $200348 from his daddy. that's a very good way to get rich, pick the right daddy. >> reporter: ted cruz overnight releasing his tax returns, and rubio has, too, putting pressure on trump to do the same.
>> this is a man who prides himself on not getting scared of anything, so what is it he's scared about handing over his tax returns? >> tax returns don't mean anything about worth, just so you understand. and you never give a tax return when you're being audited. >> reporter: the front-runner on defense, but in polls, still dominating. and let's talk a little bit of that super tuesday strategy for these candidates. when you look at where they are today, ari, it gives a sense of where they want to play. so ted cruz in oklahoma today. but tomorrow and tuesday, spending a lot of time in texas. his home state. really a must-win. marco rubio's out in virginia today, a place where the electorate may be more favorable to him than for example the deep south, where donald trump is. he's got a rally in alabama. ari? >> all right. thank you very much, hallie jackson. and looking a little more deeply at these republican battles, kathleen parker syndicated columnist and msnbc political analyst, and we're here. >> good morning. >> we're here in the bar in the morning after everything's
transpired. >> always dangerous to be back at the scene of the crime in the morning. but here we are in a place, south carolina, that's now delivered some serious verdicts in both parties. trump did very well here. and you've written about the fact that he is appealing to explicitly white people and explicitly lower class or working class or people with less money, whatever you want to call it, voters, who feel really left out right now. >> absolutely. he has this sort of, i would put it in the category of working-class whites who do feel like they've been marginalized, kind of left out of the conversation. this has been going on for 30, 40 years. and so, there's justification for that in some sense. they, you know, only 70% of white males have jobs now. as opposed to, 30 years ago they had 90%. so they see their world, their culture, their sort of their familiar underpinnings slipping away. and trump speaks to that in my opinion in a coarse and improper way. because he's mining these deeply
held emotions, instead of appealing to, look, this is how we're going to do things. he never talks policy. he only talks -- you know, he talks about america when america was great. what does that mean? we know what that means -- >> what does that mean? >> when america was great the world was a lot better for working-class whites for one thing, which has not so much to do with other people taking their jobs necessarily, but with, of course, globalization. that's the big issue that he's addressing. >> contrast what to what hillary clinton did in her big victory speech last night. it was literally a few blocks from where we're sitting. i went over there and she said it's not that america hasn't been great but we do need to make america whole and i speak with some of her senior advisers who were there and they were obviously pumped for their victory. but they seemed to think they found a rebuttal to trump if he is who they're facing. does make america whole sound like a working rebuttal for you? >> for the longest time hillary clinton didn't really have -- everybody kept saying what is her message?
now it's make america whole and also breaking down barriers. so what she's talking about -- by the way, america is still great. and i think that's a unifying message, which is going to be helpful to her in a general, assuming she has the nomination. and i was noticing, you know, if i watch her in florence a few days ago, she was speaking to a mostly african-american congregation, black church, and i thought you know, the thing about her now, at this stage in her career, and in this political season is that she comes across as the adult who has the potential to unify. >> right. >> because she's such a familiar person. and she's not angry and she's not coarse and she's not, you know, kind of rabid, as we kind of see on the other side in a sense. that's a grown -- she's almost a comforting presence. >> well, to that point, you were writing about the tour she was doing with black mothers of victims of gun violence. >> yeah. >> she referenced that explicitly in her speech last night. it's sort of the mirror image to trump, someone who is all
emotion and no policy. i mean in the last debate it was clearly exposed under questioning. there is no health care policy there, right? >> right. >> on the flip side, hillary clinton i don't think anyone doubts as a lawyer, as a senator, as a secretary of state, and someone with a website chock full of white papers if you care could read them, she has all the policies. what was striking was her ability to reconnect with emotion and the people. >> yeah. and she's got, you know, she's hitting all of the high points but she's hitting them in a rational way. so, for example, on gun violence, she's not saying we're going to, you know, let's go after the nra, specifically. she's saying, look, there's got to be a way that we can protect gun rights, protect the second amendment, but make sure that people who shouldn't have guns don't have them. so that's a nonthreatening, and i think that's a nonthreatening way to present the case. but also in mentioning that word nonthreatening, hillary is less threatening now than she was, say, in the '90s when she was first lady.
>> is that because of her or because of where america is? >> i think it's both but mostly because of where america is. you know, it's like the new prime minister of canada, somebody said why are half of your cabinet members women? he said because it's 2016. you know -- >> right. why are you asking me that? >> why are we asking this question? >> you're going to stay with us. what i also want to do is check in with kristen welker, also here with us in south carolina and has been watching the hillary clinton campaign up close. what is next for all the candidates? >> hey, ari, good morning to you. secretary clinton and senator sanders will set their sights on tuesday states today. but this race has fundamentally changed after clinton broke all expectations with her overwhelming defeat of senator sanders here on saturday. today secretary clinton has started a new phase of her campaign >> thank you so much south carolina. >> after her lights out defeat of bernie sanders saturday night. >> tomorrow, this campaign goes
national! >> clinton, now on her strongest footing yet, after beating sanders by more than 50 points in the palmetto state. >> we are going to compete for every vote, in every state. we are not taking anything and we're not taking anyone, for granted. >> sanders, who was on a plane to minnesota as the devastating results came in, vowed to fight on. >> tuesday over 800 delegates are at stake, and we intend to win many, many of them. >> perhaps the most worrying sign for sanders, as they head into super tuesday, clinton captured nearly 90% of african-americans here. an even larger percentage than barack obama won in 2008. clinton, seeming to pivot to the general election, with this less than subtle swipe at donald trump. >> we don't need to make america great again. america has never stopped being great. >> but there are still clouds
that hang over clinton's campaign. underscored on friday, when a veteran pressed former president bill clinton about the benghazi attacks in 2012. >> wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. do you have the courage to listen to my answer? don't throw him out. if he'll shut up and listen to my answer, i'll answer it. >> reporter: clinton aides point out and the video shows that president clinton allowed that protester to go on for nearly two minutes before he ultimately cut him off. meanwhile, secretary clinton heads to the super tuesday states of arkansas and tennessee today. senator sanders heads to oklahoma and colorado. ari? >> thank you, kristen. and we're going to broaden our journalist conversation here. kathleen parker is still here, of course. jeremy peters from "the new york times," an msnbc contributor and robert costa, national political reporter for "the washington post" and also an msnbc political analyst. everybody, robert, where are we and is trump stoppable in any way? >> ahead of super tuesday, trump's certainly has a lot of momentum going in to these 11
contests. he's someone who has strength in the deep south. he has the populist momentum behind him. but senator rubio is drawing big crowds. he drew a big one in georgia yesterday and you see the establishment coalescing around him. it's going to be a long fight if rubio can show some traction with delegates. >> and jeremy, a long fight with delegate traction, of course, is not usually possible when the lead candidate has a lot of momentum. or what we in the politics world call momentum, which is just a fancy word for winning a couple of the early states. the difference here would seem to be what the "times," your paper and others have pointed out, which is there is still a large swath of the republican party nervous about this man, no matter how many early states he wins. >> mm-hmm. there is, ari but i just don't know how stoppable donald trump is. and i don't think the rubio people know that. i don't think the cruz people know if he's stoppable. and, that's ultimately the reckoning that they are facing. going in to tuesday, if cruz and
rubio are not able to pick up delegates, you are looking at donald trump running away with this fight. and that's why you've seen marco rubio really kind of ratchet up the rhetoric here. why he has essentially become a version of donald trump on the stump. he has decided, internally in their campaign. they've had these discussions about what's the best way to rattle donald trump, and that's to try to beat him at his own game. that's why you see these kind of personal, searing, almost petty sniping going back and for the between the two of them. >> if by almost you mean deeply in the sense that it's overwhelmingly pretty, and no one really cares, i mean voters may be attracted to it in the same way the press is attracted to it and that's how they're beating the system, that's how reality shows get ratings, no one really wants to pick the next president based on who has the better one-liner or who was or wasn't using makeup. i want to play some of the video from the anti-trump ads which are finally getting run, some folks in the gop saying well if we were serious about this, why
didn't we do it months ago? but take a look. >> how much do we really know about donald trump? a federal court ruled that trump's company hired illegal immigrants to help the construction process for trump tower. >> trump used sleazy
bankruptcy laws to avoid paying workers. he bans disabled veterans from his high rise. he even tried to use eminent domain to kick a widow from her home. >> spent about $30,000 in trump university, and basically all it did was ruin my credit and ruined my life. >> that's a very effective campaign message, because trump has crushed a lot of the little people on his way up, little people. and you know, he keeps talking about how he's a winner. but at whose expense? so that's a very effective -- but you can provide a list of events such as i just did. but going back to the sniping i think it's really important to understand this is not just schoolyard play. this is very strategic. on marco rubio's part because the way you get at a bully is
you taunt him. billys cannot bear to be .ed. so what he's doing, rubio's trying to get under trump's skin so much that he eventually will respond, well he's responding in the sort of typical way. but there's something really, at the core that he's trying to get to. i think he'll get there because trump is a bully. and by the why, christie's endorsement gives new meaning to the bully pulpit. no? >> you raise an interesting point there. we're on a morning where donald trump has retweeted a mussolini quote who was a terrible dictator of italy which people are criticizing. it goes to a point about the power of political cartoons. and he pointed out in many dictatorships the dictators punished people who did cartoons and satire of them more than serious critiques. more than the op-eds that you or i might -- >> exactly. >> stay up late writing. but there is something in particularly the authoritarian personality that is especially
offended by being taunted and joked about, rather than being seriously criticized. >> well, of course. and they have this sense of self that is, you know, above reproach in their own minds. and that's certainly trump's view of himself. that political cartoon is always the most direct assault on a personality, as well. you know, you can't say, in other words like we do in editorials. it's a blunt instrument. >> right. it's a blunt instrument. >> and the fragile ego, which correspondents to totalitarian leaders, can't handle it. >> robert, you've spent time interviewing trump, and with trump. do you think this stuff has the potential to bother him more than other traditional attacks >> i think trump, he's trying to run a campaign that's infused with a sense of nationalism, when it comes to the border, and immigration and trade. we've seen echoes of this before in the republican party, with pat buchanan's campaign. it's not an ideological campaign, in a deep sense like you would maybe see with an
outsider like barry goldwater or buchanan himself. but i think trump, as someone who has not been in politics for most of his life, he kind of shrugs a lot of this off. he thinks he's creating his own base, his own new coalition within the party. a lot of disaffected working-class people coming in. >> jeremy, robert did not answer my question, which is his right, as a journalist in america. do you want to answer that question, though, does this thing where we're at now with this feuding, personal set of spats, does it have the potential to get under donald trump's skin the way kathleen is putting forward or is it simply a mimicry of a style of campaign that he's perfected and thus rubio may not be able to do it as well and ultimately they spin their wheels for a week or two and this doesn't work? >> i think you haven't seen trump as rattled throughout the course of the campaign as you have in the last few days. i think it's clear that something rubio is doing is working. how effective it is ultimately, i've learned to stop predicting
what happens in this campaign with regard to donald trump a long time ago ari but i do think by getting on his level, there is a certain effectiveness to that. i also think, for rubio, if his voters see that he is out there having fun, that he is -- he's effectively taking on donald trump, i think that helps him. i mean, let's not forget about the fact that this is all pretty much a big show. right? i mean, the reason donald trump is so -- >> i've read that -- >> he looks like he's having fun. donald trump, don't underestimate the power of following a guy who looks like he's having a ball. and donald trump is having a ball. and when you watch marco rubio on stage the last few days going after trump, he's having a lot of fun, too. whether or not it's as effective i don't know but it seems to be working a little bit. >> you know, also, ari, i mean, marco has spent plenty of time on policy. he's been the serious, serious candidate for a long, long time.
and then people were accusing him of being robotic. and so here he is being very loose, and he's kind of liberated himself from the constraints of a serious campaign. i do think you can overplay that, however, so at some point he needs to morph back into his true character and say that was fun, i wanted to make a point, i think it's made, now let's get back to business. >> right. be a happy warrior but still try to be an adult. i want to thank all of you here in south carolina. and see you out on the road soon i am sure. up next we're going to talk about another unexpected part of this race, hillary clinton yes, she was supposed to do well among black voters. but she won them by a greater margin in south carolina than barack obama did in 2008. what is it that they're seeing in her that is lacking in some people's views of bernie sanders and can he make up for it a clinton supporter joins us that's straight ahead. >> we are not taking anything, and we're not taking anyone for granted. ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪
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hillary clinton and bernie sanders now looking ahead at super tuesday, with clinton reclaiming her standing as the obvious democratic front-runner after that big, big finish last night. we're going to go directly to georgia state representative stacy abrams who announced her endorsement of clinton earlier this month. good morning to you. want your view, as a clinton supporter here about the road ahead. and specifically, does hillary clinton now act like she is in a race with donald trump or whoever the nominee is, which we saw in the speech, or does she still have to engage bernie on a regular basis? >> good morning. i think that secretary clinton understands that the race isn't over until it's over. but she also has the ability to look ahead to the i believe inevitable success that she will have as our nominee. and so while she is not going to be dismissive of senator
sanders, she is going to start to focus on the broader narrative of having a president who understands that america never ceased to be great, that we always have an opportunity to expand the capacity of this country for everyone here. >> so you say america's never ceased to be great. that is, of course, the line she unveiled last night. do you think that that is a strong way to go at trump? because, it answers him, or are you at all worried that you end up living in an echo of his message? in other words it's still a rebuttal to him rather than an original message from hillary clinton. >> i think it's a narrative that's been running throughout the country. every time, especially people of color here, donald trump say that america should be great again, a number of us wonder about which time he's speaking of. we have enjoyed under the clinton administration, and the '90s under president obama, and what we believe will happen under the next president clinton, a forward-looking vision that says that everyone has a seat at the table and everyone has an opportunity. what donald trump speaks to is a
day where most people were kept outside of the opportunities that were available in this country. and so we want a country that not only expands on its greatness but sees a brighter future for everyone. >> i think that's a fair point and you're speaking to an echo. whether it's minorities, or women, the idea that america was some perfect place, frozen in 1950, just doesn't track with a lot of people's life experiences, and some of the progress that people have fought so hard for. what are you planning for as a clinton campaign type person, surrogate, et cetera, if donald trump changes on a dime once he wins the nomination and suddenly goes back to, quite frankly, the donald trump a lot of us in new york had seen, which is a guy who had a diverse set of friends and came off as an inclusive moderate in many ways? had a jerky persona he himself would play because he tries to play tough. certainly is not the it ration of him we see now. >> hillary clinton has always been a consistent champion for
communities that are vulnerable, communities in need. i think that the hypocrisy of anyone who decides that to win an election you should denigrate communities of color, that you should speak ill of muslims, that you should create hate and fear as your methodology, only to turn around and say i'm just joking, that only works on television. it doesn't work in reality. and i think what hillary clinton will demonstrate is a strong, consistent presence, who's always shown a pragmatic progressivism that sees opportunity, takes advantage of it, and fights to take down barriers. >> i hear what you're saying there. a contrast between reality and tv and a campaign that's been all about reality tv. thanks for your time this morning. >> thank you. i want to tell you what we're going to do up next. we're going to speak to the chief financial officer of mitt romney's 2012 campaign. he does consult for the trump campaign and other republicans. so we're going to talk money, taxes, and trump. that's in just a bit.
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marco rubio has been firing back. last night his main rivals from tuesday's primaries. the florida senator in virginia today trying to pull himself up from third place in polls and add a win to his scoreboard for the upcoming super tuesday races. we have gabe gutierrez over in virginia right outside of richmond following the rubio campaign today. what is the strategy here in the next two days? >> hey ari, good morning. the rubio campaign really thinks it is getting under donald trump's skin. and they plan to continue these attacks, really trying to show
voters or make the distinction to voters that this is a two-person race. and to make the case that marco rubio is the one that can unify this party. now here in virginia they have four stops today. they are sinking about $500,000 over this weekend on ads attacking doesn't trump. the super -- marco rubio super pac conservative solutions is also putting in about $400,000 in ads. so, marco rubio is trying to make a play for virginia, however, he faces a steep climb. he was polling way behind here but he hopes the electorate here can help him. rubio is also drawing some of the largest crowds of his campaign. yesterday in ken es saw, georgia, we saw one that the campaign said was the largest. and we spoke with one voter who said she was switching her party affiliation to vote for rubio this time around. take a listen. >> i'm actually going from a democrat to register. i did register as a republican
because of rubio. i love the way that he reaches out to the people, and puts faith -- sorry. faith first, and then he has a dream, not just for my generation, but for my son, for my daughter and especially for my grandkids. it's very important that we have a president that represents the people. all the people. >> now, as you've mentioned earlier in the hour, ari, rubio's riley going after donald trump. he seems to be having fun out there on the stump. for awhile he was criticized for not going after trump hard enough. but again his campaign feels that they're getting under his skin and they're trying to rally the gop around this anti-trump candidate. ari? >> thank you, gabe. we'll be checking back with you throughout the day. another big question, has donald trump actually revolutionized the way people fund and build presidential campaigns? well, we have an insider who
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welcome back. i'm ari melber coming to you live from columbia, south carolina, where hillary clinton trounced bernie sanders in yesterday's primary. now she says her campaign is, quote, going national. and on the republican side, the attacks are getting meaner, dirtier and a little more personal. moments ago on "meet the press," ted cruz suggested one reason donald trump doesn't want to release his tax returns, his mob ties. >> there have been multiple media reports about donald's business dealings with the mob. with the mafia. maybe his taxes show those business dealings are a lot more extensive than has been reported. >> that's a -- >> regardless of what the bombshell is. >> senator cruz, let me stop you there. that's openly speculative. you have any facts to support that donald trump has mob ties?
>> oh, sure -- abc, cnn, multiple news reports have reported about his business dealings with, for example, s&a construction, which was owned by fat tony salerno, who is a mobster who is in jail. it is owned by two of the major new york crime families. >> fat tony finally arising on his campaign trail. you knew it was going to happen at some point. trump once again appears to be suggesting he may bolt from the party, meanwhile, if he's not treated well by party leaders. many nervous that his nomination could be a diss atess for republicans up and down the election ballot and today he spoke about whether he's even bound by that famous loyalty pledge that he signed last year. >> you know i signed a pledge, and the pledge is a two-way street. and if it's not that way you're going to have a problem. >> do you think republicans are violating the pledge? >> totally. totally. i mean if they want to play that game, i can play it much better than they can. and i have a lot more people than they do.
>> candidates in both parties now across the super tuesday states, republicans hitting southern places, up and down that map you see, and hillary clinton over in nashville and arkansas, bernie sanders in colorado, and oklahoma. now we're going to look at all of this new polling that i've mentioned throughout the hour. we have fred yang, democratic pollster here. what do you see as the big head line coming out of the new polls? >> i think the big head line, number one, is the strong lead that hillary clinton has in the super tuesday states that were polled. and you know, some of the, on the republican side, donald trump is clearly the front-runner, ari. but there are some signs in some of these polls that his path to the nomination, you know, could run into a couple obstacles. >> yeah, we have that up on the screen right now. trump in georgia, 30. tennessee, 40. texas, 26. the argument from cruz and rubio's people again and again, as well, if you lump their numbers together you see that donald trump is sitting on a fleurty and there are a lot of other republicans that dis50
degree. but in your view as an expert on the way voters break, is that likely to happen? >> well, first of all, sure, in theory if you lump the nontrump candidates they beat trump. that's the nearry and here's the reality. there are still candidates in the race right now. look, ari, i think there is something in politics called momentum that you can't really poll. and i don't think given the dynamics of this race, with mrmr. mr. trump, and then these new allegations by senator cruz, i'm not sure that everything works out in a linear fashion in the fort coming weeks that cruise and rubio hopes it will be. i think the issue right now is, for better or worse on the republican side, donald trump is setting the narrative. and i think in politics, if you are the person setting the narrative, that's a big advantage for you. >> i think that's certainly true whether you like the story line or not. on the democratic side we're looking at two to one numbers
here in georgia, tennessee and texas. 64-30, 60-34, 59-38. are we truly seeing that hillary clinton in big states and southern states is not the 50-50 candidate that people thought she was in some of those earlier, whiter, smaller states? >> i think that's a great point. i think, look, i think this is where most people expected the democratic nomination to end up. senator sanders, obviously, is o has run a great campaign. hillary clinton, bill clinton, they have a long tradition, strong support from women, from minority voters. we're seeing that now come to true igs in these states. and again, ari, it's kind of like this is where we expected things to be, there were little bumps in the road for her, new hampshire being one of them. i think on the democratic side, whereas the republican side it's still in flux, the democratic side is really performing the way people thought it would be. >> right. some of the fundamentals are emerging. fred yang, thank you so much. we'll be talking to you again. i want to tell folks that
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going hot online this morning. the businessman tweeting hits at his, quote, little marco rubio and the senator firing back with a trending hashtag, never trump. for a little deeper perspective on this food fight, we go to bradley craig, the founder and president of reb curb solutions and was the chief financial officer for romney's 2012 campaign. my first question to you looking beyond the food fight is how has donald trump changed the way campaigns are funded and how they deploy resources? because as he likes to poipnt out, he has spent less, a lot less, than people who have already exited the race? >> thank you very much for having me on. i think he's really changed the way politics work in many ways. from the campaign finance piece to the way social media is used. he has, because he's a self funder, he hasn't had to deal with donors and talking points that donors want to hear.
so with that, he has run his campaign the way that he wants to do. and i think at the end of the day, there's a fired up republican electorate that wants some change. very similar to what happened ate years ago. >> you know, bradley, you and i have spoken before because when the trump campaign first began, it wasn't clear he was really doing this in a serious way. he loaned a few hundred thousand dollars basically through the organization to himself and went forward with that. by january, we know, because i look at the numbers more than the bluster, he spent $11 million. that's ten times more than where he started. from your view and your company has consulted for him and other candidates, is there a clear escalation he went from a trial balloon to actually spending and a commitment to run to the end? >> well, i think that's an interesting perspective. i think what people need to figure out, at our company, i'm
personally firewalled off from the tremp piece. at the end of the day, what we're looking for is whoever is the next nominee to be the best chance to beat hillary clinton in the coming fall. but i think what you have seen is that trump has really put the weight behind what he can, and i think it's become a lot more interesting just from the campaign's perspective where you have someone such as jeb bush who raised $150 million and didn't necessarily get the traction. but you have donald trump who is getting a lot of earned media through social media, and you know, that's where he has been focused on. that's where he's been gaining traction. >> right, you say you would like to see a strong opponent to hillary, as would many r republicans. here's what the "new york times" is reporting today. republicans have ruefully acknowledged they came to this dire pass in no small part because of their own passivity.
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good morning, everyone. i'm joy reid coming to you from columbia, south carolina. a powerful resounding victory for hillary clinton in the democratic presidential primary here last night. thanks to the record turnout among black voters. former secretary of state won 84% of the black vote. a higher percentage than what
president barack obama earned in 2008. a crucial win for clinton, one that could bode well given the run of southern states with large black electorates voting on super tuesday. that's just two days from now. here, with secretary clinton last night. >> we've now gone through four early states. and i want to congratulate senator sanders on running a great race. and tomorrow, this campaign goes national. >> according to the latest nbc/"wall street journal" polls released this morning, clinton is topping bernie sanders in the super tuesday states of georgia, tennessee, and texas by about a 2 to 1 margin. on the gop side, donald trump fresh off his game changing chris christie endorsement is leading in georgia and tennessee. while ted cruz is ahead in his home state of texas. the leading candidates have two days to submit or change these numbers. which is why they're
crisscrossing the key states throughout the day today, making their final pitches before march 1st. cruz is now in arkansas, then he heads to oklahoma. donald trump is in alabama, and marco rubio is in virginia. their fight is getting nasty and personal. the closer we get to super tuesday. as for the dems, clinton will be campaigning in tennessee and arkansas, and sanders gets back in the game in oklahoma and colorado. joining me now is msnbc political reporter alex seitz-wald. all right, alex, so this big, big win, i mean, bigger than anyone really expected here in south carolina, what does that do to the clinton campaign, and what position does that leave inbernie sanders campaign in? >> it sets her up incredibly well. we had two different states, nevada and south carolina, where she has not only won the african-american vote, but completely dominated. she heads into super tuesday with a map that favored her, six states in the south with large african-american populations. she's not going to be looking to just win those but dominate those, rack a huge amount of
delegates. we talked about the clinton firewall in the south. this is like a weaponized firewall. it's not just going to stop him, but it could destroy him on the delegate count. the nightmare scenario, watch whites in northern virginia, that's where bernie sanders needs his core supporters to turn out. are they going to be disillusioned by what happened and not turn out? >> there are a couple caveats. we're making a lot of the fact that she got a higher percentage of the african-american vote than barack obama, but there was a lot of built-in doubt in 2008 that he was viable as a presidential candidate. there's no doubt about that with hillary clinton. on the flip side, are we underreading what potentially could be a problem for hillary clinton with white voters, quite frankly? >> absolutely. i think two important gray linings in the results from last night, white voters and young people. there's a large overlap there. look, she has lost young people by the same numbers he's losing
african-american voters. 85-15 in some states, and white voters is a major problem. i remember talking to white democrats in the south a year ago who thought she was going to be the savior of the democratic party in the south. she was going to get all these white people who left the party under barack obama, maybe they wouldn't feel comfortable for voting for the black guy in the white house, and maybe they would come back in, and that's not happening. >> is that about her embrace of barack obama? is she becoming the proxy for barack obama in the race? >> that's a huge part of it. you can look at her schedule. she has zeroed in on the african-american vote. she hasn't spent any time hardly at all appealing to the white voters. they're going to run the obama playbook, adopting almost a third term of him and running the coalition he put together in the election. >> watch that vp slot to see if it's a double down. if you're an african-american elected official, let's say, you
might want to keep your phone near you. >> someone whose name rhymes with mory mooker? >> i want to turn now to msnbc political correspondent kasie hunt who is in austin, texas. hillary clinton did walk away with a huge margin among african-american voters in south carolina. let's talk about bernie sanders. you know, what is his campaign make of this, i guess you have to say, his failure to make real inroads with african-american voters? >> it was definitely a tough night for them, joy. i think they thought they were going to be able to make at least a little more headway, particularly among young african-americans. this is the first primary we had so far in the democratic side where something other than age has been the most important factor in how these votes have gone. so of course, the map on super tuesday looking tough for sanders for this very reason because he's dealing with a lot of states with a high proportion of minority votes. we're here in texas where he was yesterday. this place is going to be tough for him in that respect.
he's trying to build up some totals. he was here in austin with 10,000 people, and also in dallas. but i think if you want to look at the map where, and i think you're looking at that right now, the states that sanders campaign are looking at are the ones in the thorth and with a lower percentage of minority voters. massachusetts, his home state of vermont, minnesota where they have a caucus, oklahoma where sanders will be later today, and potentially colorado which also has a caucus system, which could benefit him because of the proportion of activists who tend to show up at these caucuses. but for sanders, the challenge is going to be making sure he can stay in this national narrative. and try to at least project some momentum. the process is such that if he stays in and his backers continue to give him these small donations, he can stay in for the long haul. you'll remember, in past contests, usually the challenger who is not winning runs out of money. that doesn't seem to be right now a problem for sanders. i'm going to watch whether the
donations fall off as the contests are progressing and if sanders doesn't continue to do well. his campaign team does feel like the demographics get more in his favor as this calendar goes on, as these big voting days move out of the south, move into states that are a little bit different demographically, they think they can do well in places like maine, for example, nebraska, kansas. they all vote later in march, and potentially in michigan, although, of course, the african-american vote in michigan is a critical part of the democratic primary electorate. we were up there with sanders a week or so ago, and i was talking to some democratic officials who say, yes, there are a lot of college towns and a lot of anger among white working class voters. of course, michigan the site of the recession, but those african-american voters very loyal, very committed to the clintons, joy. >> all right, msnbc's kasie h t hunt, thank you very much. coming to us from austin, texas. joining me now here
in south carolina are south carolina state representatives gilda cobb
hunter and john king, both are democrats, and kaiton dawson, national republican consultant and former chair of the south carolina gop. thank you very much for being here. and gilda, i have to start with you. these margins that hillary clinton turned in against bernie sanders among african-american voters, more even than what any of us really expected her to do. what is behind that? >> well, i think senator -- secretary clinton had something to prove. it was never in doubt that she would win south carolina. the question was always by what margin. what she did last night by surpassing president obama's margin is a real mental lift to the campaign. i think she's got the wind behind her back. she's reedy, moving forward. by the same token, joy, i think senator sanders can take some solace in his numbers for somebody who started in single digits and to end last night with
double digit support is something that should not be
overlooked in a state like south carolina, where he was virtually unknown. >> indeed. and representative king, from personal experience, anecdotally, walking around, talking to people in barber shops. talking to people in the world in south carolina and columbia at least, there was a lot of support for bernie sanders. there were a lot of particularly younger african-americans saying i like that message. i like what he's saying on minimum wage, et cetera. what do you think factored into that vote not being for him on election day? >> as i campaigned yesterday for secretary clinton and i was in the barber shops, i think when people made it to the door of the poll, they changed their mind. they wanted something that was more realistic, moving forward as we go to the general election, someone who could really win in november. that's what they thought about and why they supported hillary clinton. >> going forward, obviously, you guys had your primary a week earlier, the republicans did. and you have donald trump doing really well here. and i think what's confounded a lot of people, everything about donald trump has confounded a lot of people, but the fact he's doing so well in the south.
you look at the super tuesday map going forward, not only is hillary clinton dominant in the states coming up that are southern states in this very southern super tuesday, so has donald trump. why is donald trump resonating in the south? >> he's still got a hold of the angry voter. it's mad at washington and wants to burn the whole place down. that segment of the population is for donald trump. it's about a third of our primary. they're loyal and they're going to stay there for a while. as long as we have three or four people in it, hoours is going t run down the road. the democrats' is about over. ours will run through super tuesday for a little while. donald trump has a resiliency in his message without a lot of meat behind it. frustration from a lot of us party guys is one of these guys we have to talk about policies. we have to talk about how you do that. in the meantime, he's drawing votes from all segments. our numbers were 740,000 people in our primary. the largest ever. the democrats only have one problem. barack obama did this to us.
he created numbers. the first time we were overvoted in modern history was 2008. he created organizations in states where we never had them. he created an organization here. so hillary clinton's race will soon be over. soon. we're going to have to keep creating organizations down the road because it's about eight states it takes for us to win. donald trump, for us to win with him as a nominee, is going to have to find us new states. >> there's these two dynamics. i want to talk about these two racial dynamics happening. on the democratic side, you is the white working class vote going to bernie sanders full stop. you have the visual on the democratic side of a party that is offering two white candidates in the post-obama era. on the republican side, you had marco rubio stand up here on the night when he came in second here in south carolina. festooned with racial diversity. the governor of the state, nick
y haley, tim scott, the african-american senator there, and put on this display of diversity, and the candidate who is winning is the candidate of the white working class voter. is this the year of the white working class voter versus, i don't know what. somebody explain it to me. >> if i could figure it out, i would tell you. it's a weird political season. i think it's interesting that both donald trump on the republican side and bernie sanders on the democratic side both have appealed to the same group of voters. white working class voters. the problem bernie sanders -- one of the problems other than just running out of time that bernie sanders had in south carolina with white working class voters is that they had to choose. vote in the republican primary last saturday for donald trump or vote yesterday for bernie sanders. there's a white elected official i spoke with who was a sanders supporterer who told me, all my white redneck friends voted last
saturday for trump. what am i to do? that, that is a piece of what's going on. the good thing is on november, they'll have everybody will have the chance to vote for whoever -- >> at the same time. that's really the reality. and i don't think for a moment that bernie sanders set out to have a campaign that was a white working class voter campaign. it's up in the air whether that's what donald trump was trying to do. but you know, for hillary clinton, that actually becomes a problem. she does actually have to get some of this white working class vote back. you're a supporter of hers. is this a problem for her? >> moving forward, i think we'll be able to move those people into our corner. and they will be supportive. >> why wouldn't they support donald trump, as gilda just said, they're already in the same sort of pool of donald trump supporters. why would they leave trump in the fall for hillary clinton? >> i believe that they're going to realize that donald trump has really embarrassed us across the world. and they're not going to want that to happen, as we're moving
forward, trying to move the united states ahead. we don't want to move backwards. and to build on what president obama has done, i think many people are going to still support hillary. i think she is the candidate that's going to win in november. >> there are a lot of poem in your party who don't want to build on the legacy that barack obama started. will donald trump unite republicans simply because obama, which is what has united republicans. >> historically, a third term is hard to get. the only one in modern history was george h.w. bush. very hard to get a third term. the president's ratings, plus i have always said his organization is not there yet. it will take him, ronald reagan gault george h.w. bush elected. it will take barack obama to get hillary clinton elected wrfrb the question is how that works. yes, we will label it a third term of obama. our people are as motivated to vote this time as the democrats were then. >> joy, hillary clinton is not running for obama's third term. she's running for her first
term, number one. number two, what she will do after the primaries is over is a totally different kind of contest than what she's done here in south carolina, as well as in those s.e.c. primaries. my point is, there was a real concerted effort, i believe, on the part of the clinton campaign to show that she has support among voters of color, while bernie sanders does not. when we talk about november, nobody on the democratic side stands a good chance of being elected against that killer machine that the republicans will have if they don't have support from communities of color. so i hear your point about her being attractive to black voters and voters of color, my point is that's not going to last. she's reaching out and has reached out to voters who are not of color. >> all right, i think you guys are going to come back later. we're going to get you lozenges
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perhaps the big super tuesday contest is the one in texas where senator ted cruz faces a must-win situation. want to go live to fort worth texas where msnbc correspondent jacob soboroff is standing by. how important is this state for senator ted cruz? >> hey, good morning, joy. don't ask me. you should ask the fort worth star telegram which had today an article that says lone star
showdown could be the last stand for gop nomination hopes of texan cruz. state considered up for grabs despite having one of its own senators in the race. that's something you're seeing reflected in the super pacs supporting ted cruz. they're pouging $2.5 million into the super tuesday states, including texas. one of the places they're pouring the money into is into canvassing, people on the ground. this one super pac is called keeping the promise. i went out yesterday in a neighborhood called wedgwood south with a gentleman out there canvassing for cruz, trying to get every last vote because of how important this state is to the texas senator. take a look at what happened out there. >> in the last couple weeks, as trump crushed in nevada and also in new hampshire, have you noticed any shifts in folks in texas maybe giving him a second look or things feel like still solidly pro-cruz? >> i'm feeling comfortable about texas on tuesday. we have seen an increase in the number of volunteers, the number
of people showing up to do block walking like this and make phone calls across the state. >> canvassing for ted cruz. you're going to vote on tuesday? >> i am. >> do you know who you're going to vote for yet? >> i'm still a little undecided. i'm not real happy with the slate in general. >> are you a republican or democrat? >> i consider myself a moderate. i'm an exception for texas. >> you want to give this guy a pitch for ted cruz since you haven't decided? >> yeah. >> i have known ted for six years. i helped support him in the 2012 election. i got to work for him in the senate office. i'm convinced that even if you don't agree with him on everything, he's going to do exactly what he says he will. >> i will definitely look at him as time nears. >> thank you, sir. >> we'll see what happened. >> sick of delivering political mail? >> oh, yeah. >> stacks and stacks? >> tons of it. >> it won't end until never, right? >> yes. >> more trump mail, cruz mail? who has the most? >> i think it's pretty even.
>> is it. >> yeah, we get a lot of stuff. >> do you see people throw it away or people keep it and read it? >> a lot of people keep it. they want to come out and have a lot of conversations. >> any guesses who might come out on top on tuesday? >> trump's pretty up there. >> is he? >> he is. >> have you picked your choice? >> i don't want trump, i know that. >> no trump. >> no trump. >> cruz? >> he would be an interesting choice, but not trump. >> are you surprised when you see the support trump gobbled up that might have gone to cruz? did you expect it? >> if you would have asked anybody a year ago, is donald trump going to run or will he be the standard bearer, the front guy, i think, you know, people would ask what kind of drugs you were on because that seemed impossible a year ago. >> none of us are obviously on drugs at this moment, or at least i hope not, but what this gentleman says, it's almost impossible to think we would have been in this situation. for ted cruz, he's probably
thinking this the same thing. he said this is the single most important day in the election all together. as i was talking about throughout the day yesterday, we're going to continue to follow until super tuesday in this area where we are, fort worth, tarrant county, where fort worth is located, is some kind of microcosm, a bellwether of what goes on in texas as a well. 2012 and 2008 election results in the general electionlicate exactly reflected what happened in this county. if he does do well here, that's why you're seeing folks putting money into getting out on the ground here, he may not do well in the state as a whole. it comes down to as always, get out the vote effort between now and super tuesday. back to you. >> all right, msnbc's jacob soboro soboroff. thank you. appreciate it. coming up next, we'll go live to alabama ahead of their contest on super tuesday to find out what voters there are talking about. or the night, at&t helps keep everyone connected.
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focused on. rolling over his opponents on super tuesday. today, the donald will be in the great state of alabama. trump has a huge 18-point lead in the roll tide state. alabama is a deeply conservative state, and also one of the poorest in the country. just this week, the alabama legislature passed a bill preventing cities from raising the minimum wage. it was a reaction to birmingham's vote to raise the wage in that city to $10.10 an hour by 2017. governor robert bentley signed that legislation into law on thursday. nbc news correspondent ron mott is in birmingham checking in on what alabama voters are talking about. he joins us live. what are the voters telling you in the state of alabama? >> hey, joy. good morning to you. well, a lot of them are not here at this park. we're at railroad park downtown birmingham. a lot of folks are off at church. in the next couple hours, we're expecting this place to get
crowded. they're obviously, especially around birmingham, talking about the law that the state legislature overturned within 48 hours of the city council in birmingham pushing to move the minimum wage to $10.10 an hour. the legislature which is majority republican, quickly put a bill over that negates the bill in birmingham and any effort of any municipality to try to establish a minimum wage. income inequality is an issue that bernie sanders has champ n championed, an issue that means a lot to democratic in the state. this is a ruby red state. but on tuesday, we're expecting to see the results if these polls are to be believed, what we saw in south carolina. donald trump with a run-away victory. hillary clinton with a run-away victory. i want to show you the map to show you the make-up of the state. this is how they voted four years ago. you can see the light blue area
around birmingham went for president obama. then you see some bluish streaks across the center southern part of the state. that's around montgomery and points west and east of there. also democratic voters there. this is a ruby red state. democrats aren't expected to carery the state in november, bt on tuesday, they get some movement as donald trump's popularity has continued to soar, more and more people are coming out. you mentioned the rally he has planned for 4:00 outside of huntsville, and i believe the word is huge, a huge crowd, more than 20,000 people have registered to see the donald up there today. 5 of the 7 candidates in both parties still in the running have made their way to alabama or will make their way to alabama before tuesday. we saw marco rubio here yesterday. ted cruz will also be here. dr. carson has an event planned for tomorrow. and then secretary clinton was here over the weekend as well. they're all trying to rally the votes here.
on tuesday, the republicans are doling out 50 delegates. and you have to get 20% to qualify for delegates. so ted cruz in this latest poll was below that 20% threshold. he could walk away here with voter support, but without any delegates if those numbers hold. marco rubio was second at about 23%. donald trump leading the republican pack at 36%. then on the democratic side, hillary clinton in a poll that was conducted about a week and a half ago is up almost 30 points over bernie sanders here. so she did make the rounds yesterday at miles college. she's not taking the votes here for granted, but it looks like we're going to shape up to see perhaps what we're going to see on tuesday in a lot of these s.e.c. states, donald trump winning and perhaps big in some states, and of course, hillary clinton winning big in some states as well. joy. >> and ron, really quickly before i let you go, you mentioned about the minimum wage. one of the things that donald trump has done around the country is take undoctrine air positions on issues that will
appeal to working class white voters who may not be so conservative. has he made any comments about the minimum wage issue and are you hearing any trump voters or supporters say, you know what, we would have rather have the minimum wage go up? >> well, the republicans in the legislature add least are saying the reason they wanted to push to overturn what birmingham city council did is they think this will be bad for the economy and the economic recovery that is still under way here, and so to push a minimum wage in a state like this, alabama does not have a minimum wage, is sort of a touchy topic here. there are a lot of working poor people in the state, the per capita income is below $20,000. while a message of income and raising their status is a message that will resonate with a lot of people here on both sides, it is not necessarily something that the business community and the republican establishment here really necessarily promote. so donald trump, i have not heard him say a whole lot about the minimum wage, but he does speem a populist message that
resonates with folks in alabama and around the country. when you start putting dollars and cents to it, that's when things get interesting, joy. >> all right, ron mott. we'll listen for the rally to see if donald trump makes a mention of the minimum wage. we appreciate you. thank you. up next, we'll go to the hillary clinton campaign to talk super tuesday and beyond. thanks man. imagine if the things you bought every day... ...earned you miles to get to the places you really want to go. with the united mileageplus explorer card, you'll get a free checked bag, two united club passes, priority boarding, and 30,000 bonus miles. everything you need for an unforgettable vacation. the united mileageplus explorer card. imagine where it will take you. to folks out there whose diabetic nerve pain... shoots and burns its way into your day, i hear you. to everyone with this pain that makes ordinary tasks
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>> that was hillary clinton last night fresh off her big win in south carolina in the primaries here, acknowledging the support from the mothers of trayvon martin, jordan davis, and three other moms whose children died in incidents involving police. the mothers helped clinton rally south carolina's african-american voters and that helped deliver her a big victory by a margin of 86% to 14% for bernie sanders. as the path to the nomination moved ahead to super tuesday, african-americans will continue to be a key block of voters because six of the state volting on tuesday are in the south, where african-americans comprise a large share of the democratic electorate. joining me is rick wade, former senior adviser to the obama campaign and a surrogate for the hillary campaign. the big margin that hillary clinton won here, which was bigger than anyone expected. >> sure. >> on the upside for hillary, it cemented the idea she has a firewall among
african-americans. on the downside, does it allow her campine to start coasting a little bit and pivot away from these issues? do you see her wrapping herself in the mantle of the moms who lost children to police and other violence, does that end after now? >> absolutely not. listen, let's call last night what it was. it was a decisive victory. it was a shellacking, and perhaps what i call it back where i grew up in south carolina, a good old political whooping. it was a big win. but now is not the time to stop. as a matter of fact, this is the time to take that momentum as she moves to super tuesday and keep moving. building that infrastructure that is so important as we sort of move towards the nomination and potentially move towards a general election. now is the time to work. >> i think you make a good point. i have a point from msnbc.com not long ago and i walked around, talked to people, found a lot of support for bernie sanders. a lot of african-americans, younger, under 50, with support of him. it seems when bernie sanders
seemed to pop up, from 2% to the 30s, that the clinton campaign got motivated and started to work toward the african-american vote. let's put up the numbers for the super tuesday states coming up, georg georgia, tennessee, and texas. they're going into states that have the same demographic profile. do they need to repeat what they did here and continue to take bernie sanders seriously? >> absolutely. absolutely. i don't see bernie sanders leaving this competition. that's for sure. not anytime soon. but do what they did here. they got a little more time. it is all about the ground game. i get the science, i get the numbers. but at the end of the day, hillary clinton spent a lot of time on the ground here in south carolina during the last several weeks. that matters. i was with her in orangeburg. she went to to talk to people, and that mattered at the end of the day, that infrastructure, the ground game, old fashioned retail politics. that's what they need to start doing, and i imagine she will do in these super tuesday states. she's going to five states over the next two or three days. and that matters. >> i want to talk about two
issues and ask you whether or not these help to motivate african-american voters. one is donald trump and the potential or the likelihood at this point that he will be the republican nominee, and the supreme court. was that a motivating factor for african-american voters in the end. >> they were motivated, but i have said all along, even before i started, became a hillary clinton supporter, and i am with her until the end, to me, it was about economy. it's about jobs. and closing these racial disparities, breaking down barriers. that's been hillary's message. i was thrilled even in her remarks last night, she led off with that. creating jobs, more entrepreneurship, creating businesses, investing in what has been systemic structural inecwquities in black communiti for years. the national black unemployment rate is still double that of whites, even in south carolina. that is across the south. systemic poverty still exists in the south. people need upward economic
mobility. keep talking about that. and by the way, obviously, there's a direct correlation between that and crime. and all of the issues that are resonating with people. yes, supreme court, donald trump, all of that is going to matter, but at the end of the day, i still believe it's that one basic issue. >> the economy. >> the economy. >> still the economy. all right, thank you very much. coming up, super tuesday is just two days away. 12 states will get to weigh in on who should be the republican presidential nominee as well, so stay with us. be good. text mom. boys have been really good today. send. let's get mark his own cell phone. nice. brad could use a new bike. send. [google] message. you decide. they're your kids. why are you guys texting grandma? it was him. it was him. app-connect. from the newly redesigned volkswagen passat. right now you can get $1000 presidents' day bonus on new 2015 or 2016 passat, jetta or tiguan models.
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hitting the trail hard in hopes that they can make the super tuesday states count. here's marco rubio yesterday pushing his new strategy against donald trump. >> that's why i'm asking you to vote for me. that's why i'm asking you to find other people to vote for me. that's why i'm asking you to get people that may be supporting someone else to vote for me. because friends do not let friends vote for a con artist. >> the biggest question of the day is, can donald trump maintain his momentum and sweep the super tuesday states? if he does, is there any stopping him? joining me now are state representative gilda cobb-hunter, national republican strategist katon dawson, and matt nichols, former director of the south carolina republican party. matt, you are joining the panel freshly new, and to give katon's voice further rest. you heard marco rubio sort of trying the strategy of vote for me, not him. by personalizing it and trying to make it a personality contest essentially between himself and
donald trump, is that an effective way to defeat donald trump? >> i don't know that donald trump is defeatable, quite frankly. marco is trying to make it a two-person race, but katon and i were talking about it backstage. these people are going to stay in, continue to split the reasonable republican vote. and frankly, the american people want a winner. right now, donald trump looks like a winner. i think he's going to roll through super tuesday. >> you know, i want to bring in elise neal, and i didn't include her. she's joining us from our msnbc headquarters, elise jordan, former senior policy adviser to rand paul. i don't know if you were able to hear what matt just said, but is trying to say my personality is better than donald trump's personality, my republican values are better than donald trump, and in fact, my jokes are better than donald trump's jokes. i'm going to do jokes and read mean tweets, is that an effective way to try to overtake donald trump? >> unfortunately, i think it is.
i think it's the only measure he has at this point. 2016 has not been an election about policy. attacks on donald trump is not being conservative enough have failed. now they're turning to what is the only attack that has ever been effective in countering donald trump. that's making fun of him. and they need to be doing this. they should have been doing this, i wish the debate that happened on thursday had happened in august and they started really challenging donald trump's record as a businessman, challenging some of his fraudulent behavior with trump university. there had been none of that until just this week. and now rubio is attacking, and he's attacking hard, but too much time probably has passed for it to have an impact. >> i mean, you know, well, gilda, i'm going to bring you. there's been a conversation for democrats whether the biggest high five ever is whether donald trump is the nominee. it's not clear that that's true. marco rubio has tried to make the case he would be a stronger general election candidate. in the general election, the
real clear politics, and caveat, it's unclear. rubio, 48, clinton, 43. rubio, 44, sanders, 44. making the point rubio is electability. would that argument be more sense than i'm a funnier tweet reader? >> the sad piece here, joy, is that the campaign has degenerated into this kind of conversation about who can throw the best insult at each other. it would be a mistake for any democrat to think that donald trump as the republican nominee would be an easy lift because it won't be. donald trump appeals to a whole lot of folks, some who have never engaged in the political process. we as democrats have to be very, very careful about wishing trump is the nominee. i think he poses a real strong threat to a democratic victory in november. and we have much work to do. trump excites people. we can't underestimate that.
>> if we can throw up the poll, trump versus hillary, basically a tie. she defeats him 45/43. but with margins varying, that's a wash. so the idea, katon, that trump would be a horror for your party is actually not borne out by the numbers. >> not, and just like gilda said, i remember saying we do not want hillary clinton in 2008. we want that senator from illinois, nobody knows anything about him. he's charming. no record. so the same thing they're saying -- fwl and his name rhymes with osama. >> no way to get elected you say his full name. eight years later, donald trump shows up. marco rubio is doing what he needs to do. we have nasty slugfests. it's probably too late. entertaining -- >> but it's about policy. >> that's true. >> and that's the point. it does seem that marco rubio has an argument that he could theoretically make. he could continue to sort of lean in on donald trump sort of the chicanary in the past.
double down, do what newt gij rch did to mitt romney. the choice the rubio campaign has made has been to do the personality contest instead of the contrast on substense. >> well, realistically, the issues that face the country are extraordinarily complex. what donald trump has been effective at is telling the american people, i'll take care of it. in very small digestible bites. i'll take care of this. so marco has done everything, jeb bush had every piece of political arsenal you could have. and it did not work on donald trump. so they had to change the game, had to do something else. frankly, it might work, but as i said earlier, i don't see them being able to stop the momentum he has going into tuesday. i don't see it happening. >> those polls are pretty telling. my guests are going to stick around. much more to talk with them about when we come back. out on the town or in for the night, at&t helps keep everyone connected.
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them out to vote in georgia. if you have friends and family in other super tuesday states, call them and say come out and vote. say this is my future, this is my kids, this is my grandkids. this is my country, damn it, my country. stand up and fight for it together. >> that was ted cruz yesterday making a closer argument to voters in the super tuesday state of georgia, where cruz is actually tied for second place with marco rubio. according to the latest nbc news poll out just this morning. and back with me, gilda cobb-hunter, katon dawson, and matt nichols and in new york, elise jordan. ted cruz seems to have made that argument in stronger fashion, quite frankly. not saying vote for me, me, me, but saying this is your country, your party. is that a stronger argument? >> well, i think ted has made a huge mistake by still refusing to attack trump hard. and he played mr. nice guy with trump for so long, and was buddy buddy, and ted was criticizing other republicans who attacked
trump. now that strategy has really proved to be a total mistake because going into super tuesday, which was the linchpin of cruise's strategy to get the nomination that he had to sweep super tuesday, trump is going to sweep super tuesday, and ted cruz is hanging on for life in texas, though i do think he will win texas. just, this is not the scenario that ted cruz wanted to be looking at going into super tuesday. >> matt, if ted cruz does win texas but marco rubio can't win florida, then isn't ted cruz still the only person in a position to take down donald trump? >> i think it really depends on that actual outcomes of the individual states, what the delegate count is going into florida. that's going to be a key factor for rubio. but cruz absolutely has to win texas. there's no ifs, ands, or but. if he doesn't win, you'll see a strong push for him to get out of the race and let everyone coalesce around marco. >> if ted cruz got out of the race, it's hard to imagine because he's the only one who won a primary, but let's say he
got out. how can the party guarantee that his support would go to marco rubio? >> they can't. that's the problem. they can't. because they're more likely to go to donald trump. so the three-legged stool works here. right now, the biggest problem they have is marco rubio doesn't win florida, it's over for him. trump could run the day. trump's only problem is going to be his taxes. >> that's the big bombshell waiting to come out. >> yes, and a real problem. >> for democrats who are sort of salivating over having donald trump be the general election candidate, there's that prospect he could be a mitt romney, emerge into the general, have a giant tax problem, and sort of fall apart. is it really a sound strategy to wait for that to happen? >> hope is eternal and somebody we should always keep in mind. i'm extremely hopeful that my dear friend katon dawson is fra
prophetic and we'll review this and find there are so many things in donald trump's taxes we can use as democrats in november. we're going to need every tool and every piece in the tool kit we can to have victory, but i keep saying, though, the bottom line in all of this, polls not withstanding, the only poll that matters is on election day when you go into that ballot box and that polling place and vote. that's all that counts. >> yeah, and because it's sunday, i will say amen. >> praise the lord. >> as ron mott reminded us earlier, we should all be in church. >> yeah. thank you, ron mott. >> thank you to the rest of our panel. we'll be back in the next hour. coming up, gop candidates prepare for super tuesday and the candidates weigh in on the flint water crisis ahead of next week's debate. stay with us. so much more live coverage from south carolina.
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south carolina, with just two days to go before super tuesday, when 12 states and a total of 1460 delegates for both parties are up for grabs. the presidentialkened dts are crisscrossing the country today. hillary clinton is hoping to build on her overwhelming win in south carolina in the democratic primary last night where she defieted bernie sanders by a 3-1 margin thanks largely to huge support among african-american voters. clinton holds campaign events in tennessee and arkansas today. bernie sanders will be campaigning in oklahoma and colorado. after the results came in here in south carolina, both candidates were already looking ahead to the next battles. >> we don't need to make america great again. america has never stopped being great. [ cheers and applause ] but, but we do need to make america whole again.
instead of building walls, we need to be tearing down barriers. >> politics on a given night, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. tonight, we lost. i congratulate secretary clinton on her very strong victory. tuesday, over 800 delegates are at stake and we intend to win many of them. thank you all very much. >> republican presidential candidates meanwhile are also looking ahead to super tuesday. marco rubio who has yet to win a state, has several campaign stops in virginia today. ted cruz, who came in third in the nevada caucuses, is campaigning in arkansas and oklahoma. and front-runner donald trump will be campaigning in alabama today. nbc's ali vitali is with the trump campaign and joins on the phone from huntsville, alabama. where does the trump campaign
expect to see victory, and no fair if your answer is everywhere. >> that's not my answer because as you saw in our poll this morning, he's trailing ted cruz in cruz's home state of texas. you also saw him leading in georgia and tennessee. trump does needle he could do well in texas, but he could upset expectations that cruz will win. but a little bit of braggadocio and needling. what we're seeing on the ground a lot, in georgia a few days ago, we saw a lot of voters who say not only did they vote for him in early voting, but they brought friends to vote for him. in arkansas, he had a warm reception, and he was campaigning with governor christie. that's one of the big propulsions he's going to have, the new endorsement, a big endorsement that a lot of people on the ground had good things to say about. he also talked about it this morning on "meet the press." let's take a look. >> he said there's a movement going on, and i would like to be part of it.
and i was very happy. i was getting ready to call him. and he called me. and having chris is a great honor. >> i tell you, he seems like a changed man. when it comes to you. there was a time he wasn't such a believer. >> that's called welcome to the wonderful world of politics, i think. he's bib a friend of mine. he's been a really good guy, and a good friends of mine for a long time. just having his endorsement is amazing. >> welcome to the world of politics. that's exactly what a lot of these trump supporters have been tolding me on the ground when i ask about christie's about face going from criticizing to endorsing trump. those same supporters say that's politics, they expect it, and they're happy to have christie supporting trump. some even telling me they want him to be trump's environment. we'll have to wait on that. >> all right, ali vitali in huntsville, alabama, thank you very much. marco rubio is keeping up the attacks on trump as he tries to close the gap with the front-runner. gabe gutierrez is following the
rubio campaign and joining us from midlothian, virginia. does the rubio campaign think it's going to actually win virginia? >> hey, there, joy. good morning. well, the rubio campaign will only say that it hopes to do well in several states on super tuesday. as you know, marco rubio polling behind in many of the super tuesday states. virtually all of them, and he's yet to win a single state, but his campaign is focused on the delegate count. they'll pick up delegates on super tuesday. for them, what will be crucial is marco rubio's home state of florida. rubio plans to be in miami on tuesday night. and that shows exactly how high the stakes are for him in florida. now, over the past few days, he has been ripping into donald trump. and the campaign feels that that is taking the toll on the gop front-runner. they think they're starting to get under his skin and they point to the fact that donald trump in his stump speech now is devoting a lot of time to it, to going after marco rubio. this morning in several
interviews, marco rubio on cbs's face the nation, said nominating trump would be the end of the republican party. and his stump speech last night in arkansas, he talked about how donald trump was -- how voting for trump, that voters would be falling for the biggest scam in american political history. now, certainly, the rhetoric, that rhetoric seems high brow compared to some of the other rhetoric over the past few days from rubio and trump. yesterday in a rally in georgia, rubio really lit into trump, poking fun at his spray tan. saying, mocking him tweeting on hair force one, something you don't usually hear in presidential campaigns. again, the rubio campaign feels they're starting to get under his skin, and they are drawing some of the largest crowds of their campaign. yesterday in georgia, they say that one was the largest of its campaign. today, rubio is here in virginia. he has four stops, and again, he feels that his campaign feels they could do well here. his super pac is also releasing
two new attack ads against donald trump and is spending about $500,000, the super pac spending about $400,000, his campaign spending about $100,000, taking on trump in virginia. >> all right, nbc's gabe gutierrez in midlothian, virginia, thank you. now let's go to oklahoma city where hallie jackson is following the ted cruz campaign. what's cruz trying to do to pull off a victory on super tuesday? >> his victory is going to be winning his home state of texas. that's had hope from the campaign, and frankly, that's what ted cruz has to do to have a viable path to the nomination. that's why you're going to see him a lot in texas tomorrow and tuesday. he's here out in oklahoma city today. he's in tulsa this morning, and then he heads over in our direction for a rally. he has volunteers here, volunteers in other states including arkansas, thousands of them. arkansas is another place where his campaign potentially sees an opening. keep annianoy arkansas is what have i been told by an aide.
donald trump's lead isn't as significant as in other states, like for example, alabama. cruz set some expectations on "meet the press" with chuck todd about super tuesday. he says he believes when it's all said and done, when we wake up wednesday morning, it's going to be donald trump and him with many more delegates than the rest of the field. i think there's going to be a big, big gap between cruz and trump and everybody else. now, trump still likely to be on top in the delegate race, but that's what it comes down to. less about necessarily winning certain states and more about how many delegates you can gather to get to the magic number, 1237. cruz, of course, when you talk about the win, though, if he doesn't win texas, 155 delegates at stake there, the most of any state on super tuesday. it is going to be not just a momentum blow for him, a narrative blow, but a blow when it comes to doing the math and working out how you get to the nomination. a lot of pressure on ted cruz on tuesday. the campaign feeling confident, but we'll see how it shakes out.
>> all right, n brk c's hallie jackson in oklahoma city. thank you very much. appreciate it. >> joining me now in columbia, south carolina, our state representative gilda cobb-hunter and matt nichols former director of the south carolina republican party, and from msnbc headquarters in new york city, elise jordan, former senior policy adviser to rand paul. let's talk about the last bit that hallie mentioned. matt, i'll start with you. cruz saying watch arkansas. saying he thinks he can do better than expected there. he is leading in texas, polls showing him ahead in texas in the polling averages. for the republican party, is the worst of all outcomes that it comes down to a two-man race, but the two men are donald trump and ted cruz? >> i don't think so. i have actually been thinking a lot about this in the past week. one thing that i think that i have sincerely believe about trump is he is doing 101, but he's playing to his base. he's saying some outrageous things. he's dominating the news cycle.
and i think he's going to attack to the center and if he were to win the white house, i think he would probably govern as a center right republican. so frankly, i think that there are members of the republican party who would rather see trump than cruz. >> i have heard that as well. and is that the big nightmare scenario for democrats, which is that donald trump gets to the general, throws aside all of the talk about the wall and the things that offend people, goes back to what he was in new york, which was at one time a democrat, and moves back to the center and then becomes a whole new iteration of himself that seems more reasonable? >> there are some who have this conspiracy theory that that is the intent anyway. the problem that matt said from my perspective is it is going to be difficult after the primaries are over when you had all this hate speak and all this division in the country to expect that everybody is just going to come together and have a kumbaya
moment. it's going to be very kiflt, i would think, for republicans to forget some of the things that have been said. and i repeat, what is this campaign on the republican side saying about america? have we gotten to the point now where in running for the highest office in the land, all we can do is get who insults each other the best? that's kind of sad. that's a very sad commentary in my view. >> i totally understand. i want to show you the states again, because of course, super tuesday is in large part a southern affair. and donald trump leading across the map, really. the real clear politics average in those three -- actually, this is ours, nbc/"wall street journa journal"/marist polls has donald trump ahead in georgia and tennessee. ted cruz ahead in texas, the only place trump is not winning. elise, and i'll ask you the same question i asked matt. is a more realistic outcome for
republicans that the two-man contest that they're looking at is not the guys who are having the insult contest, rubio and trump, but ted cruz, who actually has chance of winning in texas, as they think they can win in arkansas, and donald trump? >> the problem going forward from super tuesday is ted is going to be faced with a bunch of states that aren't as favorable to him. he's going to have to deal with ohio. he's going to have to deal with north carolina, missouri, he would probably win. florida, illinois, so those are some really big winner take all states on march 15th. going back to what's going to happen this tuesday, though, i think it's interesting that we really don't know what's going to happen in a few states. in alaska and in colorado, two caucus states, there hasn't been very good polling. we just really don't know. rubio seems like maybe he could eke by in minnesota. you know, cruz is also showing strength in arkansas. who knows what is going to happ, but it is clear that donald trump is going to sweep a ton of
delegates and it's going to be very difficult for any other candidate, rubio or cruz, to match that going forward. >> and you know, i do want to talk about the democrats a little bit, gilda, because -- >> that would be nice. >> we want to get the democrats a little time. and that map is southern. super tuesday is southern. you know, if you go back and look at the history when reverend jesse jackson did so well across the south, swept across it in 1980, because he went down into the black belt, where there are lots and lots of african-american voters. when you look at that, do we start to see a hillary clinton firewall that is really insurmountable and that means that she ought to really start making her focus donald trump potentially in the general? >> well, i would not count my chickens before they hatch. that would be my advice to the clinton campaign. that campaign, i believe, is able to multitask. and they can on one hand make it
national. she said that last night, by focusing on trump. by the same token, she can't forget that she has not won the nomination yet. that senator sanders still has support out there. there are a lot of folk outside of the southern region who support him. so i believe that she has the dexterity, the campaign does, to do both. and she has to do both. we can't move forward as democrats if the appearance as we talked about earlier is that she is the candidate for the black and brown people, people of color, and trump is the candidate for all of the white people. that's not a good -- >> neither of them clearly whatwants that outcome. either for your party, matt, neither does the republican party. it's become short-hand to say the republican party is a white party. it's a 90% white party. that isn't what the republican party at the top end of it wants to have happen. if you're looking at a donald trump, isn't the other sort of
danger you're looking at, even with two latino nominees in the top tier, that you're even further whitening a party that's already got that problem? >> as someone, i worked on the ground in 19 states on behalf of republicans and deadigated my entire adult life to this party. i think donald trump will destroy it as we know it right now. and it will take decades to make inroads. we're currently trying to make inroads with the hispanic population, which makes it a huge segment of the population and is a growing demographic. if we can't learn how to communicate our message articulately to those voters and get some of them to vote for our guys, we'll be irrelevant for the decades. >> you're not going for the black vote? are you ever going to come back and try to get the african-american vote? >> absolutely. i always remind people that abraham lincoln was a republican. come on. >> matt, matt. >> matt needs to remember, we're talking about, you're talking about the white. let's add the label of southern.
because you all are increasingly becoming a white southern party. and the other point is really not fair with all due respect to you and others. to blame donald trump for your issues with the latino community. when you look at the congress and the senate and the lack of action on immigration, let's at least be fair and say your guys in the congress and the senate have something to do with that. >> we're out of time. the two latino cuban american top tier candidates are both dead set against immigration reform, and marco rubio has said he would end it. >> we'll get more on the debate. the candidates making their rounds on the morning talk shows. we'll take a look at that next. think of it as a seven seat theater... for an action packed thriller.
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business dealings with the mob, with the mafia. maybe his taxes show the business dealers are a lot more extensive than has been reported regardless of -- >> let me stop you. let me stop you there. that's just openly speculative. do you have any facts to support that donald trump has mob ties? >> oh, sure. abc, cnn, multiple news reports have reported ubhis business dealings with, for example, s & a construction, which was owned by fat tony salerno, who was a mobster in jail. owned by two of the major new york crime families. >> enjoying the campaign yet? fat tony salerno has made an appearance. senator ted cruz on "meet the press" with an unflappable chuck todd earlier this morning. joining me from washington, d.c. is democratic strategist careen, the former deputy campaign manager for the martin o'malley campaign and the former 2012
obama director. still with me in columbia is representative gilda cobb-hunter and matt nichols and elise jordan is still with us. matt, you're up. fat tony salerno, discuss. >> well, i tell you, i don't think that it's goes to cause donald trump a vote. i think ted cruz is really grasping at straws. i think if you look at the voting block that is supporting donald trump's candidacy right now, look at what he's already done this election cycle. look at his flamboyant history and past. you think people think he did business in atlantic city in that time period and didn't know anybody in the mafia? donald trump, i guarantee you he's going to say yeah, i had to do business. part of it, i think he's going to brush it off. it's not going to be an issue. what it tells me is cruz is desperate. he's trying for the breakthrough moment, something that's really going to crack through. i don't think it's going to work. >> elise, do you agree with that? do you think it will have an
impact saying, to matt's point, a guy building casinos in atlantic city may have known a mobster? it's bizarre, but is this -- >> the construction company constructed trump tower back in the day, so this is really no surprise. this has been in the press for a while. totally unsurprising. i do think that while cruz is right to attack trump, he just needs to keep hitting the tax returns. what is in donald trump's tax returns that he won't show? donald trump has been audited, he says, if he's telling the truth, for 12 years straight. the irs is not allowed to audit people back-to-back years if they have been disproven of not, you know, if they're shown to have no irregularities, so what is in the tax releases? what is going on there? that's the question that republicans should keep pushing. >> but where are the super pacs to take these issues? because i think you make a great point. a lot of people have known -- there's no research to be done. >> it's the biggest political
malpractice of this election cycle, that the democrats probably have better opo research on donald trump than republicans. there was a good article that was published by one of the researchers in the republican party, jeff berkowitz, talking about why now, why is it just in this debate recently that the research starts to come to the stage. there's so much to attack donald trump on. there are so many weaknesses, inconsistencies in his record, and yet none of that has been done because everyone thought another candidate was going to do it. now republicans are at this point of having a candidate who hasn't been vetted going up against hillary clinton, who knows how to run a campaign. you look at what she's been doing with bernie sanders, and while sanders has so much passion behind him, hillary has run a superior campaign. she's shown she can organize, she can ron strong campaign, and republicans this cycle haven't shown that at all. >> all right. on that note, let's turn to the democrats for a moment. bernie sanders was on "meet the press" as well this morning. let's take a listen to what he
said. this is him responding to his defeat in south carolina in the democratic primary. >> well, we got decimated. that's what happened. among older african-americans, it was pathetic from our perspective. but by the way, what was -- the glimmer of positive news for us that we won the 29 years of age or younger vote. and we did well with african-american young people as well as white young people. no question, secretary clinton won that state, and she won it big. but i'm in minnesota now. i think we have a real shot at minnesota. >> kareem, let me bring you in. is the sanders campaign making a mistake by conceding that they are a campaign essentially, a college catmpus campaign and saying they're only going to be able to win among the young. is that a mistake? >> the sanders campaign has done an incredible job of expanding the base, getting new voters to come out, young voters in particular, which is great.
i commend them for that. great, great job on doing that. the problem is, is that going to be -- is that going to be able to close the deficit that he has with black and latino voters? it doesn't seem like that's the case. we're going into super tuesday states. six of them, as we mentioned, are southern states. and he's going to not be focusing on those. he's going to focus on the primarily white states. and this is -- this is like, you know, minnesota, oklahoma, vermont, clearly his home state, and massachusetts. and heb would have to put major numbers on the board to try to come close to closing that deficit. i just don't see it -- it's a mistake. i don't see that happening. >> and you know, gilda, of course, and it isn't everything, but you had a major regional basketball tournament that was taking place over the course of this weekend, including yesterday in the neighboring state in north carolina. that is something that could have weighed against the turnout operation and then you have spring break.
is being a youth campaign a dangerous place to be in this season, particularly with spring break and other things that can take your voters literally off the table? >> it's a dangerous place to be when all of your eggs are in the youth basket. and the sanders campaign, if that's the direction that they're going to go in, what they have got to figure out is how to build turnout into those numbers. they got the lion's share of the votes. the problem they had here is not enough of them showed up. the same problem he had in nevada, and the same problem that he's going to have elsewhere. they have to figure out how to take that passion that is demonstrated at these rallies and turn it into a gotv effort that results in a vote for him. >> in fact, they have to get into the churches. they have to take that excitement to the churches. i believe we have hillary clinton who is doing just that. she's stumping in a church. i'm going to ask the voice in my head to tell me where she is stumping. she's in memphis, tennessee.
to your point, gilda, taking it into the churches which is where the voters are. >> to help you refinance your student debt. if you have student debt and your family is also -- we're going to get the costs down. we're going to get the interest rates down. we're going to move you into being able to pay it back at an affordable cost, and we're going to cut off the payments after 20 years. and yes, we're going to take on systemic racism, which remains one of the biggest barriers holding back americans. that means we are going to target communities of color for economic assistance. we're going to get back to economic policies that work. when my husband was president, and everybody's incomes went up.
and we're going to reform the criminal justice system and make sure that it protects people, not harasses and even kills people. in the process of policing. and we're going to go after the epidemic of gun violence. on average, 90 people a day die from guns. did you know that gun violence is the number one cause of death of young african-american men? more than the next nine causes combined. i was so honored in south carolina to be campaigning with and to have campaign for me five mothers who have lost their children. >> all right, that's hillary clinton, and she's addressing the congregation of greater amani church, a nondenominational church in memphis, tennessee, stumping for vote in the state of tennessee ahead of super tuesday. much more live coverage,
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the republican nominee for president of the united states. and he's going to bring this race to hillary clinton. he's the best candidate to beat hillary clinton in november. and the best candidate to restore national security for our country. >> that was new jersey governor chris christie earlier today on abc, fresh off his endorsement of donald trump for president earlier this week. still with me, state representative gilda cobb-hunter, matt nichols and elise jordan in new york, and karine jean-pierre in washington, d.c. this is a reset. katon when he was here earlier, talked about the fact the one thing donald trump could contribute to the party would be to put some new states in play. you have this buddyo act of the new yorker and the governor of new jersey. for your party, do you see a potential to maybe put the northeast back in play for the republican party which is a
southern party now? >> gilda made this point earlier about the inability of congress to address immigration. i think that the fundamental thing you have to understand about the electorate is people, average voters, these aren't people that are tuned in every day, paying attention to every micromovement like we do, right? they care about having a better life for their children than they had. they're paying their mortgage, sending their kids to college. they just want our system of government to work effectively. they don't feel like it is, right? so i think anyone that can articulate a message that they can bring functioning government back to washington is going to be able to make major inroads into a lot of states, such as the northeast. so yes. >> is donald trump making an argument he can bring functional government back or making sort of a silvio burr les coney ask that he will mash washington into a pie? >> or is donald trump america's putin? really, he's shown strong inclinations to be an
authoritarian. he yesterday was promising to attack the first amendment when he gets into office. you know, it just really keeps getting worse and worse with trump. with the christie embrace of trump, though, i just find it so disappointing. chris christie had such a promising future for so long within the party. he had a great reputation in new jersey. now, he is criticizing marco rubio for not showing up for work. but christie, when has he been back in new jersey? his poll numbers in new jersey have plummeted. it's really unfortunate christie is forced to embrace or by his own choice, his wrong choice, is embracing donald trump's extreme decisions on things such as muslim refugees and christie really stood out against that, and now he's forced to defend it. it's really disgusting and disappointing. >> it's interesting, karine, we are seeing this northeastern, everything about the republican race is sort of upside down from what we know about the republican party. you know, we have two -- these
two northeasterns traversing the country, but they're doing really well in the south. two latinos in the mix in the republican party. then on the democratic side, you also have sort of a northeastern contingent or at least as far south as the rust belt, with not a lot of southernization. it used to be an article of faith that a republican, a democratic nominee had to also have a touch of the south in them. is this just a complete upending of our political process and a takeover by the northeast? >> look, joy, i think this has been an incredibly insane cycle. most definitely, most definitely. just talking about chris christie for a second here, here's someone in 2012, democrats were really afraid of him, that he could be a threat in the 2016 cycle. then bridgegate happened. clearly, that threatened his career there. but then, you know, he jumps in. runs for president. clearly, then performs really poorly in new hampshire. has to jump out.
and now, he's a power broker. he's this power broker that is potentially going to help donald trump get the nomination. but the question that i think democrats have that i have is like, is there a chris christie for bernie sanders? right? does that exist? and i was thinking about who that could be. today, tulsy gabbart clearly endorsed bernie sanders today. i'm not sure what that will give for him, but she's young. she's a person of color. she has strong military background. she had leadership in the dnc. she resigned. to me, that is an interesting kind of tactic that we have seen in this process. >> yeah. really great and interesting question. is there a chris christie for bernie sanders? i think we'll leave on that note. a very good question. thank you very much, elise jordan, karine jean-pierre in washington, d.c., and here in
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texas is the big prize on super tuesday. the lone star state tops the delegate count list with 222 delegates at stake for the dems and 155 up for grabs for the gop. meanwhile, an nbc news/"wall street journal"/marist poll released this morning finds texas senator ted cruz is the favorite among likely voters in his home state. tomorrow, senator cruz will be looking to capitalize on his home field advantage with campaign stops throughout the state. while hillary clinton will be spending super tuesday eve traveling to virginia and tennessee, she's got texas covered because bill clinton will be campaigning in three texas cities on monday. kate snow is there today. what are you hearing from texas
voters about support for their home state senator? >> hi, joy. we're hearing a lot of support for ted cruz, swhich is not surprising given the poll numbers you cited, nbc showing him up 13 points over donald trump. hae has the home field advantage. people know him, they appreciate he's the senator from the state. there's a lot of tea party support from republicans here, especially in rural, red counties in texas. they really like ted cruz. it's interesting, he is not spending much money on tv ads. he's running ads mainly on the radio and digital ads. a big bye, $2.4 million spend on all kinds of ads across nine stupor tuesday states. some of that money goes here to texas. it's interesting, he doesn't spend that much on tv ads because he is so far ahead. let me tell you quickly about donald trump in this state. because he is doing pretty well, too. he's behind cruz, but he's at 26%. and i was talking to a lot of
different republicans over the past few days, and interestingly enough, 10% of republicans here, registered republican s here, ae latino. you might think no hispanic voter would want to vote for trump, but you would be wrong. i met a man yesterday, juan gomez, his family, generations and generations have lived here in texas. he grew up down by the border. his family originally of spanish descent. he managing a flooring company in the dallas area. he was reluctant at first to tell me, but he supports donald trump. >> do you know others who are of latino background who are supporting donald trump? >> a lot. a lot of people. >> do you think it's sort of secret? >> some of them. you know, yeah. some of them don't really express their thoughts. and some of them are completely negative about trump. but i like the way that he speaks. he tells you the truth. and he doesn't hold back. yeah, he sticks his foot in his mouth a little bit sometimes,
but overall, you know, i think he's the person that we need to run the nation. >> wow. that is surprising. what about the democrats, kate? does texas present any opportunities for the sanders campaign to make a big comeback after the loss in south carolina? >> well, i don't know, joy. i'm sure the sanders campaign is hoping to pick up some delegates because as you know, it's proportional here. so if they get at least some counties, they'll get some delegates of that huge count here in texas. he was here, bernie sanders was here yesterday in austin, and then in dallas last night. he's trying to pick up some support here. you look at our poll here in texas. hillary clinton is way, way ahead here. and i have to tell you, when you turn on the tv here, joy, what you see are clinton ads. there's one that's been running by morgan freeman voicing it. that's been -- i have seen it several times since i have been here in texas. if you look at the numbers, she's spending a lot more here in texas than he is.
he's only spending on tv ads kind of in the northern part of texas which we think is geared toward oklahoma voters, not really texas voters. you mentioned one of the secret weapons hillary clinton has here is bill clinton. he's coming in tomorrow, making three stops. she had all kinds of different supporters like cecile richards who heads planned parenthood, also ken salazar and others speaking out for her over the last few days. i think hillary clinton has probably made the calculation she doesn't have to be here herself, when she has her supporters fanned out around the state and she's running way ahead. >> thank you very much. kate snow in austin, texas, thank you. and meanwhile, as bernie sanders does try to regain his momentum on super tuesday, his record on environmental justice has drawn increased scrutiny to his progressive credentials. in 1998, senator sanders was congressman sanders running to hold on to his seat representb vermont in the house of representatives.
he co-sponsored a bill that would have allowed vermont and maine to dump their low-level nuclear waste at a site in texas. the community there of impositivished immigrants couldn't fight back. they added a provision that would restore legal rights to the people of sierra blanca and allow them to oppose the waste dump. joining me now is forrist wilder, and you know, take us back to that story, because you did have this tiny little town in west texas, with not a lot of political power. what was the reaction there? what was the reaction in texas to this decision by the u.s. house of representatives in northeastern states to dump waste there? >> well, the community, there were many people in the community who were adamantly opposed. a largely hispanic, poor town. they had already been playing
host to, for example, sludge that was being trucked down to texas from new york. this community is close to the border. it's about 15 miles from the rio grande. so there was a sense from a lot of people in sierra blanca that they were essentially being dumped on by powerful interests, and also out of state interests. there was concern that the dump would leak. that the radioactive waste would leach into the rio grande and be a major environmental disaster. so there was a grassroots campaign from iminating from the community with a lot of support state-wide from environmentalists and others that pushed back against the proposal, and actually was successful in the late '90s at getting the license rejected by then george w. bush, the governor's environmental board. >> exactly. and you did mention it because it's an interesting confluence. bill clinton was president at the time, george w. bush was the governor of texas. the community defeated the
proposal. what has happened? is sierra blanca a recipient of nuclear and other waste today? >> no, it took a weird turn and actually today, now, there's a for-profit radioactive waste dump in a different part of west texas that was started and owned by the late harold simmons of the dallas billionaire who funded the swift boats ads and was a major republican funder in texas if years, for rick perry and others. it kind ofmitated into a strange new form. >> and so i want to quickly read a statement that we did get from the bernie sanders campaign today. he said that the campaign said in part, the texas low level radioactive waste disposal compact was an idea initiated by the governor of texas with the support of the governors of vermont and maine and approved by the state legislatures of all three states. the only reason congress even considered the compact is because congress has to ratify agreements between states. that is the statement that we got in part from the sanders campaign. i want to thank you for being
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widespread lead exposure. thank you so much for being here. >> thank you for having me. so we have the democrats on their way down, bernie sander and hillary clinton have both come down to flint. i want to play you a sound bite of bernie sanders and what he had to say of the water crisis in flint. >> clearly this is part of a long-term trend of massive levels of income and wealth, in economy, of starving communities of color, of not providing the kind of resources that we need to our children, of more worry about tax breaks for billionaires than decent schools or decent infrastructure. >> and melissa, in your view, sup an accurate read of what's happening here? or is there something more specific at work that you'd like to hear addressed by the candidates? >> no, he's right. this is based on greed, and the fact that the middle and lower class have so little while the
upper class are getting and gaining so much. so, no, there is such a huge division in flint, and many parts of michigan, so i think sanders nailed it on the head right there. >> yeah, let me now play you what hillary clinton as said in terms of the flint water crisis in terms of an
ad running in michigan right now. please take a listen. >> i am here because, for nearly two years, flint's wears was poisoned. >> hillary clinton came here to show she's standing with us. >> she brought it to another level of attention and that's what we needed. >> and melissa, we know that hillary clinton that is the support of the mayor of flint. she has a connection with her. do you think that that level of attention from a presidential candidate has actually helped in any way move things forward in your city? >> i think the attention is great. it's a shame that no one from the republican party have
coupled to visit. they haven't even mentioned it, so it makes the residents feel like they don't care. the fact that both bernie sander and hillary clinton have come to flint to bring it to a national level is fantastic. people need to know their future president will care and address this. we're not the only
city that is going through this and will go through this. >> one of the issues, of course, have been topped of mind for a lot of people, and our colleague rachel mad douse has brought it up. not one lead pipe had been removed at that point. at this point, has there been any effort made by the state of michigan to begin removing and replacing the lead pipes in the city of flint? >> unfortunately no. and rachel has been fantastic. she pointed out we need $55 million to go with mayor weaver's plans to help those families. so far the governor has pledged to send $2 million, that's it.
no pipes are out of the ground yet. >> melissa, is this something that you're hearing is going ton an election issue this year? are people in flint channeling the anger into a focus on the november elections? >> oh, definitely, because our voices were silenced for so long under snyder's emergency managers, and so we finally get to speak out. the first was replacing the mayor getting karen weaver into the office. we do have a voice, we do have power. we'll keep pushing that for the presidential election as well. >> and i have to ask how your family is snoech coping with this. my colleagues have had you on, and you've talked about your personal situation. tell us how your family. >> we're still dealing with seeshies, skin rashes, bone pain, anaeem use. it's not gotten any better. there are more procedures i have to go under, my kids have to, more medical care. it hasn't stopped.
the fact that the water is still tainted, still shows high levels of lead, it's not gotten better. a lot of people are starting to lose hope that it's going to be change until those shovels hit the ground, it's not going to change. one of the things i did hear when i was in flint, melissa, that the mayor had obtained a promise from the governor to provide $5 million to defray the cost of water bills. has that happened? >> he signed a bill for a $30 million credit to go towards the residents. however, he added a caveat to that, that you have to be current on your water bill to get that credit, which is 65% of your water usage, because he says we could still use our water to flush our toilets and wash our clothes, even though our water was 100% contaminated. we get a 65% cried. those in the middle and poor they can't afford the bills and if they're behind, they don't
get the credit. that was a huge slap in the face. >> melissa, what would you say to rick snyder if you could have him on this side of the camera what would you say? >> police get out of the office to we can put someone in there to help us. he single handedly has stood in the way. he's not sendings us the funding that the state has for a rainy day. it is storming, it is raining right now, so just resign. >> melissa, thank you so much. you have a very powerful voice. thank you for sharing the story with us. it is so important. >> thank you. that is our show today. there's much more coverage as we await more appearances from the candidates who are stumping ahead of super tuesday. thank you so much at home for watching. or coverage continues with indicate snow reporting live from austin texas, this is msnbc, the place for politics. 9 the orders were rushing in.
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. the heart is ticking in the state of texas. this is the price on the calendar. from on perch in the lone star state's capital of austin. hello, everyone. i'm kate snow. beautiful sunday morning here. while polls open on tuesday morning, there's new reporting that early voting for at least one party is near historic levels here. we'll dig into that a little later. polls from nbc news released a short time ago painten an interesting picture. those numbers just ahead. and in the gop race, the top three contenders did not pause for reflection on this sunday. in fact, they escalated their bitter war of words with new accusations, new insults. >> well, i think he's a lightweight. he couldn't get elected dogcatcher. he's not liked in florida.
he abandoned florida. he deceived and defrauded florida. >> if donald trump is president, he's going to make america broke, like he did those four companies. this is part of the clown act. this is when someone is caught like donald trump has been, as a con artist. >> there have been multiple media reports about donnell's dealing with the mob, with construction. a construction company owned by fat tony solerno, owned by two of the major new york crime families. the bell are tolling here in austin. 11:00 a.m. central time, plus the latest from the campaign trail, as the candidates fan out across the southeast, super tuesday states. and this is the place for politics.
hello again, welcome everyone, a wild day already on the campaign trail. it is noon in the east, 11:00 a.m. here. new polls out this morning show both parties front runsers consolidating their leads with two days until the super tuesday primaries, but that might only produce more indigestion for republican leaders, already nervous about a donald trump candidacy, as the talks surrounding their standard bearer involves mention of mob ties, of the kkk and mussolini this morning. georgia and tennessee, and while ted cruz can say he's winning the biggest price of all, texas, marco rubio can only claim a tie for second and two distant third-place finishes in our poll. a nasty fight among the top three candidates only goat nastier this morning as ted cruz lobbed an insinuation of mob
ties during an interview of "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> there have been multiple media reports with the mob, with the mafia. maybe his taxes show those business dealings are a lot more extensive than has been reported regardless -- >> let me stop you. wait a minute, senator cruz. that's just openly speculative. do you have any facts to support that donald trump has mob ties? >> oh, sure. abc, cbs, multiple news reports have reported about his business dealings with, for example s & a construction owned by fan tony solerno, a mobster who is in jail. it's even by two of the major new york crime families. trump made his own headlines this morning, cnn's jake tapper from asking to disavow the former endorsement of david duke. listen closely to how he answered. will you unequivocally condemn david duke and say you don't
want hit votes or that of other white supremacists in this election. >> just so you understand, i don't know anything about david duke. give me a list of the groups and i'll let you know. >> i'm just talking about david duke and the ku klux klan. >> honestly, i don't know david duke. >> trump also caused a spike in internet traffic this morning after retweeting an infamous quote by fascist dictator mussolini. it turns out the gossip website gawker said it set that account up. >> muss ouismt lini. it's a very good quote, a very interesting quote, and i saw what -- i know who said it, but what difference does it make? >> do you want to be associated with a fascist? >> no, i want to be associated with interesting quotes.
meanwhile, the democratic contest is producing far less drama today. hillary clinton is up, and up big in three super tuesday states here in texas, georgia, and in tennessee, this after at blowout win in south carolina's primary. candidates in both parties fanning out today in advance of the super tuesday contest, republicans are hitting southern spots today. hillary clinton is in nashville and pine bluff, arkansas, and bernie sand bernie sand sanders is in if oklahoma. we have reporters cover both sides. casey hunt joins me in texas. gabe gutierrez is in virginia with a look ahead to super tuesday. ron mott is in alabama. we begin where hallie jaxs, who's in oklahoma city this morning. let's talk about senator ted cruz. here's what he said this morning about winning his home state primary in texas.
>> we are very strong in texas and running neck and neck in a number of the super tuesday states. it depends on the turnout. i will support the republican nominee, but i'm working very hard and i intend for that nominee to be me. hallie, he's up 13 points here. most of the voters i talk to are very supportive of ted cruz, but what in donald trump surging at the last minute. what is ted cruz's plan b? >> reporter: it's very difficult to see where ted cruz goes if he's unable to win his home state to donald trump. if he loses to donald trump at a place where he's been leading in the polls by double digits, a place where he has nearly 30,000 volunteers triple what he has in other southern primary states, ted cruz will not go so far to call it a must-win, the wab that marco rubio has, but it is a must win for him. to try to make hurl she locks texas down, he's going after trump pretty hard.
he's talking about his position on 4e89 care, the middle east, and hiring of foreign workers. here's what ted cruz has to say and how donald trump is responding, i should say. >> as i remember it, those workers were hired by another company. i just hired a company and they had some workers that were perhaps from poland or some place, and this was the demolition of a building that made way to trump tower. so the workers, chuck, were -- this is 35 years ago oar talking about, by the way, the laws were totally different. >> so trump on defense, kate, as he has been for the last 48 hours as you have seen marco rubio turn up the heat against him. when you talk about texas where you are the mold delegates at stake, 155, but remember if you don't get 20% of support, you get zero delegates, even though it's proportionally awarded. the challenge for ted cruz and what his campaign is working to do is not just win texas.
if he gets above 50%, he'll get a ton of delegates. if he gets marco rubio bo of 20%, that's also a win for him. the question mark is donald trump, if you look at the poll, and cruz is solidly in the lead there, i'm also told to keep an eye on arkansas. if ted cruz can win a couple states on tuesday, his campaign feels they'll have momentum rolling into the march 15th contest. >> hallie jackson, thanks so much. back now to virginia, where next hour marco rubio will hold the first of three scheduled rallies today. the florida senator's polling third in that state, just two points behind texas senator ted cruz. gabe gutierrez is in mid lothian, virginia, what's he doing today to get ready? >> marco rubio's campaign is holding several rallies here in virginia. they feel they can build on the senator's momentum going into super tuesday. however it's going to be an
uphill climb. he's polling way behind in many of the super tuesday states. his campaign feels he can pull away many delegates and move to florida. even though he's polling behind in florida, his campaign feels they can build on this momentum. in the meantime, they are continuing to hammer donald trump as they have been for several days, calling into question he policies, but also getting personal. poking fun at him tweeting aboard hair force one, as they call it, poking fun at his spray tan and this morning on "face the nation" marco rubio made a stark contrast, and talked about stark consequences if donald trump were the nominee. take a listen? >> my prefers is we beat them outright in the primary. here's what would be a calamity. if he's or nene, it could be the end of the republican party.
it splinters us in a way we may never be able to recover and the democrats will be joyful about it. >> so the rubio campaign, even though it's down in polling here, feels like it could make a play for this state. tomorrow a very busy day as well. in tennessee, georgia, arkansas, oklahoma before moving on to minnesota on tuesday, and then he holds a rally tuesday night in miami. again, showing just how high the stakes are no florida on march 15th. kate? >> gabe, thanks so much. democratic candidates hillary clinton and bernie sanders are intensifies their efforts as well. sanders has stops in oklahoma and colorado. hillary clinton in arkansas and tennessee, and just a short time ago we learned that sanders received another endorsement from a house member. this time congresswoman tulsi
gabbard. we're over at the airport now, always on the move. >> is that endorsement a surprise, casey? >> hey, kate. in some ways yes, but in other ways, no. tulsi gabbard has been active calling for additional democratic debates and criticizing the process. remember there were originally only six debates scheduled. initially that was a problem for the sanders team. their insin was the process had been rigged, and gabbard was out criticizing the process for that, causing a bit of tension inside the democratic national committee. she obviously took that additional step today of actually resigning, which is pretty unusual, and shows some pretty aggressive strife there between her and the committee itself, of course, led by debbie wasserman schultz, who put out a statement talking about what happened, being largely very
gracious about congresswoman gabbard's service in the military. she of course is a combat vet, also one of the younger members of congress. there's only a handful of members of congress in their 30s. in some way that mirrors sanders' supporters. he's got all these young supporters on their side. that said he doesn't have any lawmakers, only a few who have endorsed him, most of the rest of congress members who have endorsed have been supportive of hillary clinton. so a bit of a surprise in that regarding, and frankly, kate, he has a steep path heed of him on super tuesday. those margins among african-american voters just overwhelming in south carolina. that doesn't necessarily bode well for some of these states, particularly across the south, texas where we are, alabama, georgia, places with a lot of african-american voters. you can see from where sanders is spending his time he's more focused on states that have a higher percentage of white voters, so that's oklahoma, colorado where he's going to be
today, and of course minnesota where he was last night and where he'll appear again on monday. that's where we're headed to catch up with him, kate. >> all right. casey hunt on her ways to minneapolis, i think is the next stop, right? safe travels. >> that's right. safe travels. joy reid is an msnbc national correspondent, elise jordan is an analyst and former senior policy adviser to rand paul. joy is still over in south carolina. thank you both for being with us. let's talk about the state of play this morning. gosh, on a sunday morning, you would think it would be quiet, but it is not. we have a whole host of new anti-trump ads going up on the air paid for by various pacs. i want to listen to some of them. >> announcer: a federal court ruled
that trump's company hired illegal immigrants.
>> announcer: trump uses sleazy bankruptcy laws to avoid paying workers, bans disabled veteran from his high rise. even tried to use eminent domain to kiko from his home. >> basically all it did was ruin my credit and ruin my life. joy, so the effort is on here, right? everybody who is anti-trump is doing all these can to stop his momentum. is it going to work? >> i mean, the challenge, of
course, is this is quite late in the game to start doing this. it is actually smart. it's what republicans should have been doing months and months ago as trump was rising, because those ads seemed to be design the to dissuade someone who likes donald trump from continuing to support him. what we've seen in the polls is the donald trump support is incredibly durable and incredibly impervious to negative information about him. what republicans need to do in addition to, yes, they have to
take down donald trump, but they have to find a way to make an affirmative case for someone who isn't donald trump, because they haven't answered the question, if not him, which of these other guys should i support? and elise, let me ask you about all the insults flying. this is what marco rubio said about donald trump. it got really personal, talking about his face. >> but he's flying around on hair force one and tweeting -- he put out a picture of me putting on makeup on me at the debate, which is amazing to me that a guy with the worst spray tan in america is attacking me for putting on makeup. donald trump likes to sue people, he should sue whoever did that to his face. >> you know what struck me is if women were tossing around these
comments el we would be having a whole different conversation. >> can you imagine if women were doing this? normally i'm completely opposed to bullying, but trump has been teflon this entire political cycle, and i think attacking isn't the worst tactic for rubio. it's just that i can't believe it's gotten to this point in the primary where literally anti-trump ads are just starting to come into the forefront of discussion. this could have happened so long ago. i'm just glad they're doing it. there's been $215 million in negative advertising, and only so far 4% has been dedicated to trump. it's finally time that the republican parties takes some of that money and start galvanizing against trump. i think it's too little too late he's led his record go so long.
>> i was just going to say the time to do the kind of advertising we're seeing now is when that candidate is on the rise, before the support solidifies to dissuade people from ever supporting him. once people are locked in, those kind of ads, and even the weird performance by marco rubio is essentially calling supporters fools. i'm not so sure it's the way to win trump supporters over. >> let me ask about democrats, yet after her big victory, she said tomorrow this campaign goes national. we showed the numbers earlier in the hour. she up in several big super tuesday states. she's doing really well on the states that vote on tuesday. can bernie sanders make enough of a dent? because he can take some delegates away have her on tuesday? >> i think the problem for bernie sanders is the places where he still has a shot have fewer delegates on offer. hillary clinton is up in the big
one, which is texas, this is 222 delegates just by itself, even with proportional apportionment, i think hillary clinton will walk away with a huge lead because of that firewall with the african-american vote. if bernie sanders can't ethnically diversify it, i don't see how he can do much beyond a couple states in the northeast. >> elise, final quick word on the democrats. >> i think, yeah, hillary has locked it down basically. we'll see. you know, the passion of bernie sanders' supporters, maybe we'll be in for a surprise, but i think hillary's organization has been so superior. it's shown that her organization and her money can trump the passion that's behind bernie. >> elise jordan, joy reid, great to see you guys. thanks so much. >> the big fight over taxes, ted cruz and marco rubio releasing their returns while pressuring donald trump to do the same.
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vote. this has to end. that was senator marco rubio earlier today with more on the battle of words with donald trump. let's bring in jason roe, a senior divorce, jason nice to have you with us. >> thank you for having me. let's play one more sound bite. this was from fox news sunday, talking about your candidates. >> well, i think he's a lightweight. if he goes back to florida, he's going to be -- he abandoned florida, he deceived and defrauded florida. that's the last thing. he doesn't even show up to meetings. i think he's a guy -- i don't think he actually does even think he's hot stuff. he's not hot stuff. i just call him little marco. that's what he is, little marco. >> little marco so you punch, he punches right back. marco rubio is at third place in the key states of georgia, tennessee and here in texas,
pretty far behind. what are you going to be able to do on super tuesday? >> it's shocking that donald trump is criticizing and bullying something that disagrees with him. i think that's been the pattern for nine months. frankly marco rubio is the first person that's stood up to him and given as good as he's taken over the last several weeks and months. you know, it's time i think for the media to start actually vetting donald trump as a candidate that very likely could be one of the two nominees to be president of the united states and leader of the free world. this guy has gotten a pass. he's used this belligerent erratic behavior in order to mask a very flawed record of hiring illegal immigrants, being subjected to fraud lawsuits, multiple fraud lawsuits, in which the new york attorney general said it was a classic bait-and-switch scam. what marco is doing now is what the media should have been doing for several months, vetting the
credibility of a guy who could end up being the nominee of the republican parties. >> a few minutes abwe heard ted cruz bringing many mob ties and donald trump, making a wild accusation that donald trump has connections. check todd pressed him on it and said, where is the evidence? is that something your campaign is looking into as well? >> it's not a charge that i'm familiar with myself, so i'm not going to speak to the validity of the charge from senator cruz on it. i'm certain there's a full vetting on our behalf of donald trump now, because that frankly hasn't happened in the media in the way it should. if there are things out there that have credibility, those things will be brought to the fore. i think it's certainly credible and demonstrated proving that he hired illegal immigrants to do the job that americans could have done. the fact he's the subject of three fraud lawsuits because of trump university, which is a big
scam, he's made four companies bankrupt. this is a guy who doesn't pass the smell test when it comes to standing for the position of being the leader of the free world. we just have to stopped the lunacy and stop getting caught up in all of the amusement that donald trump has become, in the circus of a republican nomination at this point. it's time for the adults to take over this process. >> speaking of the circus and you're saying it's time for the adults to take over, i have to say, though, we just heard marco rubio bringing up the spray tan of donald trump. he's brought it up a couple times in the last 24 hours. it's not nice what's going on. why reduce yourself? why have your candidates reduce himself to the same level of banter? >> i would characterize that as marco having a little fun at donald trump's expense on the stump, but the reality is for nine months donald trump has been doing this, and i've not seen the level of criticism from the media to his behavior.
he should have been pushed back on long ago, so that it didn't come to this, but this is the unfortunate reality. every interview i do is about donald trump's antics. it's not about the substance of the arguments of the candidates, what marco rubio's vision is for america, even what donald trump's is. he's not laid out any substantive policy prescriptions for what he would do as president yet. no one seems to want to talk about that. they're more interested in covering the antics. we've gotten to a point where marco is the on one standing up and say enough, it's time for adults to take off are over the pros, and that includes the media. yet marco rubio released a summary of his taxes, not the whole document. he said that he would eventually release everything. when is that going to be happen? >>ists forth coming, but donald trump has released nothing. what you should be teaking about is how does a guy with this complex a financial structure, with multiple accusations of
things that are inappropriate really at this point, we all know that marco comes from very modest means and has a very modest income and by comparison, there's nothing exotic in what he has to report in terms of his taxes, in addition to the fact that he has to file a personal financial disclosure every year with the united states senate. but we have in donald trump a guy who refuses to release anything and fabricates excuses. this is the con that needs to be exposed and we need the media to put pressure on hem to rereveal who he really is. to this point it's a facade. >> jason roe with the marco rubio campaign, thanks for being with us on a sunday. appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. up next, we'll hear from the bernie sander camp about what happened last night in south carolina and their perspective of what can be done to prevent a sweep in the south for hillary clinton. technology.
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it could be a pivotal days for the front runser on both sides. texas is the biggest del great prize, we keep seal it, 155 delegates up for grabs. so it's 222 delegates if you take away the already committed. and marist showing front runser solidifies their leads. more on that in a moment. donald trump is also once again commanding headlines this morning. he refused to disavow an endorsement from former kkk grand one of the david duke, saying he didn't know him. moments ago ted cruz responded -- donald trump, you're better than this. cruz also suggested that trump may be hiding mob ties. >> there having multibalance reports, maybe his taxes show those business dealings are more
extensive than has been reported, regardless of what the bombshell is -- >> let me stop you there. that's openly speculative. do you have any facts to support that donald trump has mob ties? >> absenc, cnn, has reported ab multiple dealing with s & a construction. it's owned by two of the major new york crime families. for the democrats, hillary clinton is winning about ig in that new poll from nbc news and its partners, that after a huge win in saturday's south carolina primary. this morning bernie sanders appeared on "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> you lost african-american voters 84-16, worse than any poll had shown. senator, what happened? >> well, we got decimated, that's what happened, among older african-americans.
candidates in both parties fanning out today in advance of the super tuesday contest. hillary clinton is in nashville in pine bluff, arkansas firms bernie sanders is in colorado and oklahoma. here in texas, ted cruz holding strong in the polls ahead of super tuesday, according to our nbc news poll just released this morning. the lone star senator has wrapped up more than a third of the republican vote, besting donald trump by about 13 points who leads in most of the others states. what do texans think? james henson is director of the texas politics projects here at the university of texas here in austin, good to see you on a sunday afternoon. >> it's beautiful. >> it's a gorge usa day, even nicer, the sun's going to come out. we just mentioned cruz obviously is the home state guy, he's way up in a poll of republicans, but
also you have a u.t. tribune poll that looks at opinions of cruz overall. very favorable 16%, very unfavorable 37%. that's what everybody talks about with ted cruz, he's not a likable guy. cannily still win? >> those are overall numbers. cruz is generally north of 56 favorable, so republicans like him more than everybody put together. >> and the tea party will help him probably get a victory here on tuesday night. what about -- what are voters telling you is their most important thing as they head to the polls? most important issue? >> interestingly enough, for all the talk about outsiders and shaking the system up, the thing that's dominating political thinking as well as democrats is the economy, followed up by the desire for their party to win an
election. these factors are attention to the economy is driving a lot of voters interest in particular candidates. >> not just the democrats want a candidate who wants to win, but you're saying the republicans are looking at that, too. >> yeah, there are other things competing, so trump supporters, they're really focused on not surprisingly the economy part and immigration policy. >> i spent time engineered talking to a man, we'll run more on it on "nightly news" a republican who is latino and loves donald trump. he hesitated before he said that to me out loud. it's sort of like a secret, a core of some his spain voters that like donald trump. you have 38% in your poll of trump supporters identifying as democrats. >> yeah, i think there's always, especially in general elections, some crossover with hispanics being interested in republican, hispanic population in texas somewhat more conservative and moderate than comparable
hispanic population, for example in california, so i'm not surprised given trump's economic emphasis, he's getting some interesting from in latinos. it won't be a majority, but there will be some. >> does he come in solidly second. >> i think it's hard to imagine rubio making up lost ground. he's never really gained traction here. >> though there are some rubio ads running here, some pac ads, and anti-trump stuff out. >> it's a good time for the tv stations. >> yes, that's right. good typing to in ad sales at a local television network. >> exactly. >> great to have you with us. >> by the way if you're hearing things behind us, they're getting the kayaks ready to go out on the river right now. we'll hear from bernie sanders' campaign and why african-american voters are maybe not connecting well with the senator. >> i don't even know who i'm going to vote for, so it's like go in, close the curtain, and that's when i'm going to make my
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imagine where it will take you. welcome back to delegate counts. hillary clinton now has 112 delegates after her south carolina win. bernie sanders has 66, for the republicans, donald trump holds leads with 82 delegates. ted cruz has 17, marco rubio close behind with 16, john kasich with 6, and ben carson with five. those totals will change dram dramatically on tuesday. across 11 states, of course the largest primary day of the 2016 campaign. let's bring in sanders supporter, former senator nina turner. good afternoon. nice to see you. >> you too, kate.
let me start by playing some sound from hillary clinton last night. she won big in south carolina and here's what she said about going next. i want to great laze senator sanders on running a great race, and tomorrow this campaign goes national. >> so hillary clinton is saying they're going national, they're going to compete in every state. the new polls out this morning don't paint a great picture for bernie sanders. how can you compete? >> okay, we are going to continue to compete, and certainly congratulations to the secretary on her win last night, but saying that senator sanders has won a grate race as if he's out, that's not true. four states down. still more than 46 states to go,
and sneer sanders is in this all the wait to convention. we have voters whose voices are still yet to be heard. >> he was here in austin yesterday, about 10,000 people at a nascar track came out to see him. i spoke to a lot of voters, but they call it the blueberry, the bluest part of the state. how will you do here in the lone star state? >> texas is a very red states for any of the democrats, but i think senator sanders will compete. you pointed out that the silver lining for senator sanders last night is those between the ages of 17 and 29 really believe in him and see him as the leader for the future, a future that lives of the downtrodden, a future that believes in universal health care, a future that we need to invest more in higher education than in prison. the goal, however, but should be a goal for the democratic party, is how do we leverage those young folks? our 20-year-olds today are our
30-year-olds tomorrow. so we must continue to push, that excitement is right there with bernie sanders. this race is far from over, and folks should not count him out. we're just getting started. >> how do you do the math? hillary clinton now has 112 delegates after south carolina win, bernie sanders only has 66. so paint a picture for me. what do you do on tuesday and beyond that gets him to the actual nomination? >> well, kate, we're going to continue to compete. there are 11 states up for grabs on the first super tuesday. i call that march 15th. the senator is going to continue to compete. he has to continue to marry his story with his vision for america, the new new deal if you will. the fact that his father was an immigrant, so he understands some of the challenges from the experiences of his family with new americans. the fact that he grew up poor. he understands the need to increase the minimum wage in
this country so that everybody can have more than a fighting opportunity. people get up for good and for great. we know one thing besides who is coming out to vote. we know the senator drives the excitement that's going to be needed. let's face it. democrats didn't show up in the highest numbers, i think it was a 12% turnout. all democrats should be upset by that. the fact that we they'd to continue to build this party and push towards what will be a new future for all in this country, senator sanders is right on the messaging. we're going to continue to be a champion of that message and push it, and the more people here the story, kate, they are going to start to gravitate toward him. he hayes not been running for president for eight years. he just started on this journey about nine months ago. he's david fighting against goliath. the battle is not over. >> nina turner, thank so much for being with us. appreciate it. >> thanks, kate. coming up, why this super
i like clinton a lot, and so hillary would nice to get back, so we kind of get bill clinton. that's a nice deal as far as i'm concerned. >> i support bernie sanders, i'm a young person in austin, a liberal city, it's kind of natural. all eyes on texas, one of the only states where donald trump isn't leading in the polls. the lone star state has the biggest delegate prize on offer for tuesday. you were listening to some voters over on joe's coffee on south congress. here's what's up for grabs, 251 -- excuse me 155 delegates for the republicans, 251 for the democrats, it's enough to make a real difference on either side of the campaign. alana rocha joins mess and evan
smith, editor in chief of -- does that mean you work for him? >> this is my boss. >> we work together. >> nice to have you both on a sunday afternoon. appreciate you being here. let's talk about donald trump for a second. he just tweeted this morning, a new tweet, why would the people of texas support ted cruz when he has accomplished absolutely nothing for hem? he is another all talk, no action -- >> false. >> there's no love lost here. >> but let's be honest. ted cruz's brand of conservative is much more in line. people in texas nose ted cruz and his politics more or less alien with the blood-red politics. >> you would say there are things that people here, republican voters would look to and say -- >> not accomplishing in texas is accomplishing. they want cruz to go to washington to do less, not more. probably in that respect he's accomplished something. >> take on everybody else in
washington. >> right. >> when we talk about early voting, that happened here in texas, for people who don't follow texas. that ended on friday. >> 11 days, yeah. >> we're hearing you may have some really good numbers, high turnout. >> republicans turned out very well this time around, more son that in 2012 and 2008, each of those nearly double, i think than each of those election cycles. very much at play. people in texas here started voting before south carolina did. so the fact that cruz had, you know, three third-place finishes maybe didn't factor in for those -- >> most of the people i run into here say they plan to vote or have already voted. >> this is a low voter turnout state. you know, we have that burden on us every cycle. there does seem to be an unusually high level of enthusiasm. >> it's kind of different this time around. >> i don't want to make you predict what's going to happen on tuesday, but does it look lie ted cruz has a pretty good lock? does donald trump have a pretty
good lock on second place? >> yes, but you know, this campaign has one surprise after 509. i suspect cruz will winly low double digits or high single digits, but a trump win in the end would not be the biggest surprise in the world, certainly in this campaign. >> did the early voting, you think, helped ted cruz? >> i think so. i think he had the infrastructure. donald trump is sending out -- and, you know -- >> in austin? >> i think. >> absolutely. >> i think i saw that correctly. yeah, he's sending that out now. you talk to some people, and it might just be too late as far as that goes. people work on tuesday might not have had as much flexibility to vote. so, you know -- >> what haz cruz's ground game been like? do you have any sense -- >> so many texans have been traveling on other states, you can imagine a lot who would have
traveled. they're all happy to work in their own state. i expect the ground game is terrific. if anything else, helps this campaign more, i can't think of what it is. it will be the army out on the streets for him. >> alana rocha and evan smith, thank you for being with us. that will do it for us this hour. i'll be anchoring highter from this evening. chris jansing picks it up from here on msnbc. today chris reports from birmingham, alabama. at 2:00 eastern it's the reairing of "meet the press." the guests are donald trump, ted cruz, john kasich and bernie sanders. have a great day. \s pennsylvania know your financial plan
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our seven-day super tuesday trip. behind any the icon sick baptist church, icon in the civil rights moment. it was here in 1963 that the ku klux klan detonated a bomb killing four young african american girls. this is the beautiful and moving statue that remembers them and remembers that moment. it comes on a day when the black vote is playing an enormous role on the democratic site of the presidential election, just a couple days away from the single day of both parties. super tuesday, this is the first time bnl bum has been a part of it, at stakes, 60 delegates for democrats, 50 for republicans. now, for donald trump, it's a chance to seriously weaken the competition. he's been all in in the south, holding a rally in huntsville, alabama later today. marco rubio, ted cruz, hillary clinton all fanning out across the country after campaigning in alabama yesterday. and at any minute now, rubio is
set to hold a rally in percival, virginia. this morning donald trump, who's been going after his opponents for months now, finds himself on the receiving end in a way he hasn't before. >> well, there have been multiple media reports about donald's business dealings with the mob, with the mafia. make his taxes show those business dealings are more extensive than has been reported. >> donald trump will never have 1,236 delegates, which is what he needs to be the republican nominee. it won't happen. >> also today, we have brand-new nbc news/"wall street journal"/marist polling, shows trump leading in georgia and tennessee. ted cruz is ahead in his must-win home state of texas. on the democratic side, hillary clinton leads bernie sandsers in all three of those southern states by about a 2:1 margin. and she sounded a lot like she was moving on to the general election. >> we have now down through four
early states, and i want to congratulate senator sanders on running a great race, and -- and tomorrow this campaign goes national. we've got every angle covered with our reporters bringing you the latest from the campaign trail. joining me now on the phone, though, first donald trump jr., the candidate's eldest son. good to talk with you. >> good to be here. thank you. >> let me ask you first, since i'm sitting in an iconic location, about an exchange your dad had earlier today about david duke. in spite of the fact -- he's a former grand wizard of the ku klux klan. he would not repudiate the ku klux klan, would not repudiate white supremists are you, as a spokesman, willing to do that for. >> i'm not a spokesman for the
campaign, but i'm pretty sure we're not interested in those kind of votes. >> you're willing to say you do not want the support of a former grand wizard of the ku klux klan? >> yeah, i'm saying that. >> all right. let's go on to something else i'm sure you've seen, and that is a lot of concern among the so-called republican establishment that they don't think --,. >> of course -- it's laughable. you know, it's not good for the party. why? because he's going to change the way the game is played. he's going to get rid of the cushy system, where they make the back-room deals, they tell their constituents what they want to hear, they do whatever their special interests want. it's totally laughable that it's even a conversation. like when china and mexico, they both say trump would be a total disaster.
why? he's the -- they're taking total blind advantage, because we have politicians who don't know what they're doing. they're great at being perfect politicians, never done nick in their lives. they get reelected, but they have never done anything in the real world. mr. trump's tax return, 20,000 pages long. it's book deals and special interest money. it's guess ridiculous. they're trying to create a story, maybe there's something in there. the speculation is ridiculous. it shall be pretty obvious to the american people. i think it is. that's why we're doing so well where we are. >> there is a lot of speculation about year father's taxes, marco rubio releasing some of these yesterday. ted cruz saying this morning that maybe the reason your father isn't releasing his is he's -- including perhaps some with the mob, but those
accusations aside, there is nor legal reason -- let me exquisite finish the question. >> there's no legal reason why your dad can't release the taxes if you why not put these what you call ridiculous accusations. >> a tax return wouldn't show that the it would open up 20,000 pages of documents to every lawyer in the world to try to speculation, even if there is not an issue. we'll go there the audit process and release it just like mitt romney who also had a complex tax return. it's not a two-page return. we're going to release those as he did. mitt romney waited until five weeks before the general election to release it. it's interesting for him to start -- i understand he's working for the special interests, working for the establishment, but what are doing is doing something differently. we're speaking to the people who are if sis of being led by people who have never led
anything in their lifts. you know what? i think the country wants that. what these guys have been doing hasn't been working, if you think we're making process in the and going in the right direction, maybe they're your candidates. otherwise you wouldn't have the incredible turnover. my father wouldn't be doing as well as he's been doing. >> let me give you a chance to clarify. will you release those tax returns when the time is right, or will you release them as soon as the audit is over? >> listen, i don't speak spoked campaign, like i said, but we'll certainly release them, because that's what we're going to do. >> your father and governor christie, who had shown this great united front and certainly blunted some of the momentum. shared an awkward moment on the campaign trail yesterday. i just want to play that. hold on a second. >> get in a plane and go home. you go home. >> he essentially -- he said to chris christie, who had come out
for him, go home. critics have described your dad as being dismissive of his highest profile backer. was le? >> no. he came all the way there. he said go home, go enjoy. he speaks like a regular person. whatever everyone tries to do is they try to read into the subliminal messaging, to say, hey, thanks, go home, i think that would be totally normal. >> let me asking finally about this back-and-forth between your father and marco rubio. it does seems that marco rubio has kind of taken a page from your dad. >> rubio hasn't had an original thought in his life. he's taking a page from the people telling him now you have to do this. what they'll do is my father will bring up some that happened two years ago, and say that's off-limits. anything my father did 40iers, that's totally on the record, should be. it's -- marco is doing what his pup met masters are telling him.
he's doing what his puppet masters are telling him to do. >> i just want to be clear, i'm not talking about things 40 years ago, but talking about things over the last couple days, him saying your dad has a bad spray tan, your dad repeatedly calling him little marco calling him a liar, making fun of his ears. my question for you is -- is not a dialogue on either side that's worthy of the presidency. >> my father if he's attacked, he's going to attack back. i heard some of the stuff clearly i wasn't thrilled about. but we weren't the ones that started the attacks. again, it is what it is. no one is gut to out-fight my father, no one is going to work harder for the american people, as much as a shocker it is. we're speaking to the american people. we care what the hard-work american people want. we're giving them a change. that's why they're turning out so much for us, across the board when people wrote us off as
though he would never get involved they're sick of politicians just not working for them even though they'll tell them whatever they want to hear. it's just different. so maybe it's time to let someone who's actually done something, hired people who have actually employed people, people and families whose livelihoods that actuallyon, not someone pretending they're doing something pontificating like academics, it's a very different situation. we're looking forward to making a big difference for america, not for the establishment. >> donald trump jr., i appreciate the phone call. thanks so much. >> my pleasure. thanks, guys. now we have the republican establishment trying to stunt trump's momentum. what happens now? we want to bring in our panel of alabama bill arm i stead is the cochair no rubio 2016, the former chair of the alabama gop, steve flowers is a syndicated political columnist in alabama. good to see both of you.
you have to ask the rubio person to react to what we just heard from donald trump jr. >> marco rubio is one of the legitimate republicans conservative to the core. he came in -- >> hold on one second. we have your candidate talking about the kkk stuff hold on. >> one of the reasons why he said he wasn't going to run is because david duke was part of the reform party. he knows exactly what david duke is. he was asked this morning two times, will you repudiate and condemn the ku klux klan. he refused to do that as well. we cannot be a party that nominates one who wee fuse toss condepartment white supremacists, we cannot be a party who does that. by the way, not only does -- not only is that wrong, it makes him
unelectable. how will we grow a party with a nominee that refuses to condemn the ku klux klan? don't tell me he doesn't know who it is. this is serious. what we are facing today is the most important election in a generation. we need to nominate someone that can win, because if we don't win, what that means is bernie sanders or hillary clinton will be the next president of the united states. now, bernie sanders is a racist -- not a racist -- a socialist. sorry, i apologize. i was thinking about david duke still. bernie is actually a nice guy, but he's a socialist. he's a socialist, an avowed socialist, and usually when you say that about someone in american politics, they deny it. not bernie sanders. he puts it in his commercials. he's a socialist. we don't want to be a socialist country. if you want to live in a
socialist country, move to a socialist country. so marco rubio bringing up what we were just talking to donald trump jr. about. let me go back and actually play the exchange this morning when donald trump was asked about david duke and the ku klux klan. here it is. >> if you would send me a list of the groups, i will do research and certainly disavow if i thought something was wrong. >> the ku klux klan? >> but you may have groups in there that are perfectly fine. >> i'm just talking about david duke and the ku klux klan here. >> honestly i don't know david duke. i don't believe i have ever met him, and i just don't know anything about him. anything about that? >> well, donald trump knows exactly who david duke is. he's been discussing this for over a week now. he is just reaching out to get
whatever votes he can get. marco rubio is a conservative republican, the best we've had run for president since ronald reagan. he's conservative to the core, understands the issue and uplifting that can bring hope to americans. we don't knee fear or democrat gogry. we need hope. >> steve flowers, you can't ignore this when you're sitting in a place like this with the 16th street baptist church behind us, with all of these super tuesday states, many of whom have not been -- how will this play into the republican prima primary? >> first i bet you're glad you're here than in minnesota. 70 degrees in the heart of dixie. >> it's beautiful. >> the polling indicates that trump will carry the state overwhelmingly. he'll get between 37% and 38%. rubio and cruz will be fighting for 20%. >> a this won't make a difference in no, it won't late in the campaign.
>> so people's minds are made up? >> i think so. he may be flirting with 40% on tuesday. he'll carry all the deep south states with about the same percentage. you can look at south carolina and see the results of that state. it will be almost identical to alabama on tuesday, because our demographic makeup is about the same. the democratic race will be about the same, too. 75/25. 75% of the democratic vote in alabama is african-american, 90% for hillary, so there won't be any surprises in alabama on tuesday. >> bill, there seems to be an overwhelming sense he's on a roll that nothing can stop him. republican establishment can't stop him. jeb bush couldn't stop him how do you stop him in obviously that's your goal? >> donald trump is tapped into anger and fear, and he's communicating in a level that a lot of people understand, but he's not communicating about the
issues and what he will do. her he offers a grand plan, so i think what we have to do is what marco is doing right now. he's getting his words out. >> too little too late, though? >> marco has always said he would like to peak 2nd right time. i told him yesterday it's now time to peak. and i think he is. the momentum is on his side right now. and in huntsville, did a great job, thousands came out to see him in each location. he is the continued of persons that americans really want as president. i think usee a swine in the next couple weeks. i not a -- >> can we wait a couple weeks? i guess really that is the question for anybody who isn't donald trump, steve, which is that super tuesday, if he dominates, it's hard to see how somebody gets back in. you could argue, well, at the
time cruz wins texas maybe marco rubio wins florida. does that change the equation? >> i think marco rubio will be on a roll twhal be hard to stop him. i think like i said a while ago, he probably will get 37% to 47% of the vote, which is pretty big in a large field. rubio -- cruz may carry texas, but when you see the results tuesday nice, he will carry every southern state and pick up an enormous amount of delegates. the problem is he's got to carry florida two weeks from tuesday, and if he loses his home state, there's an old saying in the deep south. you've got to care year home county, your home state. home folks know you best. if trump were to get ahead of him in texas, he's gone. if rubio doesn't carry florida, he becomes a nonentity. >> he has to win florida. >> he does. but i think if they stop -- and
they stop and think about this before they vote, he's made a fortune off gambling. gambling has hurt the people in america that can least afford to be hurt. they spend their money, they have divorces, they go interrupt, a lot of his casinos have had strip clubs, that brings about prostitution, they bring about drugs, so his background, the money he's made over the years have been as a result of taking advantage of people, particularly women. >> trump obviously with vifrts to alabama, cruz was here this morning going to church. let me look again at our new poll, trump leading in georgia, tennessee. cruz is up 39 to 26 in texas. besides florida, where are you guys going to win? >> i think tuesday you'll see a better performance than most people are expecting. he has a great game. throughout the country he's running in 50 states and picking up delegates.
he will win florida. you'll see big news in the next few days about florida, and i think you'll sea a change of momentum. >> big news meaning endorsement? >> just big news in florida in the next couple weeks. >> an endorsement from jeb bush? >> i don't know. i think big news in the next couple weeks -- next few days. i'm sorry. >> bill arm i stead, steve flowers, thank you both for being here on this because of day in alabama. up next we'll turn to the democratic nomination race. is clinton already looking ahead to the general election? we'll be right back. you're an at&t small business expert? sure am. my staff could use your help staying in touch with customers. at&t can help you stay connected.
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congratulate senator sanders on running a great race, and -- and tomorrow this campaign goes national! [ cheers and applause ] and that was hillary clinton after her wlalandslide win, so she's taking her campaign to the super tuesday states, hoping to close the deal, and it's going to be a family affair. separately today, bill clinton is also in the south trying to solidify the incredibly strong performance with black voters, winning south carolina's black vote by 74 points over bernie sanders. chelsea clinton will make three stops today in minnesota. that state a must-win for bernie sanders after falling behind even more in the delegate count. with the new polls showing trouble for him on super tuesday. i want to bring in mayor of this great city, birmingham mayor
william bell. thank you so much for having us here. >> thank you, chris. the exit polls in general were so positive for your candidates. >> yes. but the black shoat after bernie sanders made such a hard play, how does he build on that? >> she tends to do what -- he has strong relationships throughout the state of alabama within the democratic circles. she just needs to continue the message she has, a positive message of bringing people together, not something divisive. the one thing that i like about the democratic contest that's been going on both she and senator sanders, they've been talking positive, how do we bring people together, how do we improve the quality of life? that's what the american people want to hear. when you look at secretary clinton's record, she has been there from day one, going back some 20, 30 years of trying to bring people together to improve the quality of life for people. >> she did speak briefly this morning at a church in memphis. i want to play just a bit of
that for us. >> need to raise your voice us and your votes in a way that people in authority begin to understand we are all in this together. we all have work to do. i said last night america has never stopped being great. our task is to make america whole. i want to be not just your president, but your partner. >> she didn't mention donald trump by name, but obviously she was responding to his theme, which is make america great again. she says we are still great, but should there be a little pause? she sounds like a general election candidate now, she did last night. is it too soon to move on to donald trump. should she be focusing on bernie
sanders? >> i think on tuesday you'll see the gap between senator sander and secretary clinton expand tremendously. when you run a campaign nationally, you have to speak to the issues, because if you try to go to the extremes, it's going to hurt you in the general, and i think secretary clinton understands that. her message is, how do we bring people together for the good of the entire country? not just different segments, not just trying to isolate and pit one group against the other, but how do we all come together to continue america on this great path that was started so many centuries ago to be the la leader of the world. >> if there is a recurring worry about secretary clinton mon democrats even it's probably this e-mail controversy, the fact it's ongoing, the fact there will be more e-mails released, there's this fbi investigation, and the concern that it plays into a narrative that she herself has suggested is hurtful to her, that people
feel somehow she's not honest. how does they combat that? how concerned are you about that in the race going forward? especially if she goes up against donald trump where all bets are off. >> when you look at the fact she went before congress and testified in congressional hearings, nothing came out of those hearings. you look at the fact this has been an ongoing investigation for many months now, nothing of significant has come out. whenever they talk about, well, there's been a new batch of e-mails that's been released, there's nothing in those e-mails. that will continue. that's parts of the political process. i think secretary clinton yesterday, the candidates that i saw is someone who's grown in confidence, become more relaxed, not worried about those side issues that are trying to distract people from the true goal of pulling this country together. that is her message. that's what she's always worked towards. don't just look at secretary clinton the candidate right now, but look at her history, going back 40, 50 years, all the
things she's worked towards, trying to improve the quality of life for people. that's what people should think of. >> birmingham mayor william bell, such a pleasure. >> thank you, chris. >> thank you so much. bernie sanders didn't mince words on "meet the press" this morning. >> a month ago you said i think we're picking up more african-american support, frankly i think we can win there. you lost 84 to 16 for african-american voters, worse than any poll had shown. >> senator, what happened? >> well, we got decimated that's what happened among older african-americans it was pathetic from our perspective, but by the way, the glimmer of positive news for us is that we won the 29 years of age or younger vote, and we did well with african american young people as well as white young people. but no question, secretary clinton won that state and won it big, but i'm in minnesota
now, i think we have a real shot at minnesota, i think we have a shot at colorado, oklahoma, massachusetts and vermont. joining me now bernie sanders supporter and birmingham city council president. he really got killed with the black vote. where were your supporters? >> well, you know, they obviously weren't with senator sanders yesterday, but one of the things i will say is that senator sanders is really talking about what needs to happen in our country moving forward. we look at the working-class citizens, students, young people that will be joining the workforce, i really believe that he is speaking to those individuals. he's got to figure out a way to make sure they come out and vote. >> he spent a lot of time and money there, 200 paid staffers on the ground, $2 million in advertising. why is that message getting lost? or should he just -- and he
seems to be doing this, put a lot more resources in heavier -- in states with heavier white population in the industrial northwest. >> i think regardless of where you campaign, the message is what needs to be clear for those who will come out and vote. we just have to make sure that message resonates throughout the community. there are people in our community that understand the issues and are voting in their interest, so we have to make sure we reach the people. >> i meant to say north, not northwest. let me play another clip. chuck todd did press him on making a bigger play in more states. >> if you both do well in the states you're targeting, she's going to have at least a 200 delegate lead on you if you're not careful at that point -- >> well, but -- >> why aren't you trying to win more delegates than her on super
tuesday? >> we are trying to win every debt gal that we can. not only are we fighting for super tuesday, we're looking ahead to california, the largest state of all, new york state, we think we'll do well in michigan. >> if he runs the board or comes close to it on super tuesday, will there be a new york and callal? realistically doesn't he start asserting a move? >> realistically if things don't turn around, it still will be difficult to regain momentum, but at the end of the day, i hope that the senator keeps talking about the issues. the fact that the city of birmingham passed a minimum wage increase and the republican party in the state of alabama rescinded that is the only time it happened in the united states when there are over 23 states that have done something with minimum wage. those are the types of issue that is we need to continue to talk about nationally. i think if senator sanders is not victorious, i hope that secretary clinton will continue that message, as we move into
november. >> jonathan austin, the president of the city council here, thank you so much. good talking to you. >> thank you. as the candidates continue their quest for the white house, we're going to head to a different white house, the first white house of the confederacy, 50 miles south of here in montgomery, but first three little known facts. alabama has the longest state constitution in the world. the first rocket to put man on the moon was built in huntsville. and home to the first electrolie system. we'll be right back. most new wealth flows it's called a rigged economy, and this is how it works. to the top 1%. it's a
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carolina's black voters last night. cal perry has been talking to voters about the 2016 race. hey, cal. >> reporter: hey, chris. we were out here talking to people this morning, very quiet day. it's sunday, most people are in church, we managed to get someone on their way to breakfast, and we asked what's the difference between the trump and clinton messages? >> everything they're doing now, what they are talking about just like with donald trump, you talk about borderline -- i understand going to try to stop stuff like that, but also really try to work on the people here i trying to help the people who are here. i understand he was trying to stop that, but you need to worry about our own right here in the united states itself.
but, you know, like i said, we've got people here that are on the street poverty, that need help, but the government -- some of the government stance is helping everybody else. >> reporter: that gives you an idea of why that clinton message is playing so big in south carolina and why it will play big here in alabama. we are here at the first white house of the confederacy. this is where jefferson davis lived for about four months before they moved than capital to richmond. and just across the street the alabama statehouse. on this road, a very quiet road on a sunday, either side of the road, a very different story. >> cal perry, thank you so much. tomorrow we are heading to athens, georgia. you think there's a spot cal should visit? just let us know. ted cruz is campaigning across oklahoma today, but his
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marco rubio and ted cruz are trying to make this a two-man race. that's been their goal all along, so now these aggressive pushes, because they have just two days until the avalanche of tuesday contest. rubio thinks virginia could be one of the first states he could win. cruz spending his time today in oklahoma, and both of them stepping up their attacks on donald trump, who may be coaching today, with just one event in huntsville. we're waiting for ted cruz to take the stage in oklahoma, but he opened up a new line of attack earlier on "meet the press." >> there have been multiple media reports about his dealings with the mob, with the mafia. maybe his taxes show those
business dealings are more extensive than has been reported. >> nbc's hallie jackson joins us from oklahoma city with the latest. hallie, hello. >> reporter: hi there. you talk about ted cruz, and his new line of attack. this idea that perhaps he's hiding something, this is consistent with what cruz rolled out, at least the line of attack, at the debate. we talked with him a bit after that. his argument is essentially until donald trump releases them, we don't know what's in it. this is one ways he's hitting him. ahead of super tuesday, particularly in texas. ted cruz is spending time in actualitia, and in oklahoma city in a couple hours, but really texas, where ted cruz has the most at stake. it's the biggest, 165 delegates. if cruz manages to be dominant there and win a majority, he
will essential rob donald trump and marco rubio of any delegate there. that said, if ted cruz does somehow lose to donald trump, though polls show him ahead by double digits, it's a fat al blow to his campaign essentially, the state a must win for him. so the strategy play in texas, compete in arkansas, an aide telling me that's another key -- and in other areas drill down by congressionally districts. they're proportionally awarding delegates, so the thinking according to what aides are telling me, if they can keep him below some of the threshold delegates, that would be ideal. if they can try to go after trump and others districts, where he looked neck and neck, maybe they can pull off some wins just in the smaller pockets, even if it's not an overall win. chris? >> nbc's hallie jackson, who is in oklahoma for us. thank you so much. up next, how the civil rights movement is still a part
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welcome back on a beautiful day in birmingham, bum built. i'm chrisiansling just feet from the 16th street baptist church. this is an iconic landmark. this spring marks 53 years since african-americans braved fire hoses and police dogs, with sit-ins and marches. soon am birmingham locally started to see dig gesegregate, the fight is still being -- as voter i.d. laws and criminal justice reform played big roles in the 2016 election. i said to bring in ahmed boar, for the birmingham civil rights institute. which is right across the street from where we are sitting. good to see you.
>> good to be here. 2016, what is the -- >> reseeing from retrenchments from some of the gains given in 1963. our kids were sprayed with hoses, bitten by dogs, and of course the church is across the street, and so many came out in legislation, but you're seeing some pullback. i think that's something people need to pay attention to. >> black lives matter? >> of course and voter i.d. there's a lot of parallels. i think some people lose sight of that some of the same vitriol has been leaked on to black lives matter, these kids in the park got some of the same things. so it's really nothing new. >> we know that here, besides the voter i.d. wlau that there was also the closing of a lot of the dmvs last year that were in -- i think it was every single county that had more than 7 a% black population --
>> 28, 28 dmvs were closed out of 31. they were mostly black. >> so where are you with that? what's it going to mean both on tuesday when you have the primary voting, but also moving forward to november? >> i think we've had to work harder. it's unfortunate in the state last year we celebrated the 50th anniversary of the voter rights act then to have things happen. it doesn't look good. the feeling that we're still not as progressed as we should be as a state. alabama is a landmark state, and the things that happened here, in selma, montgomery, to have they laws in place where you're is it act tivly restricting the right to vote. people here have to do more to make sure they have their voter i.d. >> your organization does not endorse, but i do want to ask you about this back-and-forth over the last several days with donald trump, who was questioned pretty hard this morning about whether or not he would disavow
david duke and the ku klux klan. he didn't speak strongly about that. now he has tweeted out very clearly i disavow. what do you makedisavow. what do you make of the fact that this is still part of the conversation? >> well, i think that you have certain elements. i won't say the entire party, certain parts of the party that have this train of thought. it is unfortunate that mr. trump came out so long to disavow it. for african-americans david duke has a specific feeling for us and things associated with over the last 20 to 30 years. that should have been a quick situation to take care of. some of the delay is playing to certain parts of the base that still feel that way and that is unfortunate. >> i know you were talking earlier and saying that there are concerns you have about both parties about things that they
need to understand about the african-american vote. what is it on the democratic side and what is your warning for the republican side? >> for years the black votes been seen as monolithic. i think the democratic party has taken the african-american vote for granted in some cases. it is just an assumption that black people would be there. on the flip side a lot of black people are concerned with the train of thought. however, you can't woo me if i feel your policies are beating me in the back or do something to obstruct my forward movement. i think there is work that has to be done. it cannot be so surfaced as it has been before. you have to make real outreach. one thing to say you are going to do outreach. if everything you say and do is a slap in my face then there is no outreach there. >> what a pleasure to talk to you. >> our tour of birmingham will continue after this. we will talk to alabamaens about
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simply by using your voice. live oscar sunday, february 28th on abc." back live in alabama. this is a deeply conservative state and one of the poorest in the country. the city of birmingham raised minimum wage to $10.10 an hour. the state stripped that away after the alabama legislature passed a bill preventing cities from raising the minimum wage. it came up last night as we talked to locals on our way to dinner. ron mott is talking to alabama voters about a mile away. one person likened refusing to raise minimum wage to slavery. that gives you an idea how high emotions are running. i wonder what people are telling you. >> reporter: a breezy day here
in birmingham. beautiful day. this issue over minimum wage is likely an issue here in alabama over the next eight months on the way to the general election in november. earlier in the day we were talking about where does donald trump fit into all of this because he does not necessarily support raising the minimum wage but message resonates with the working class of america. there are a lot of working poor in the state of alabama per capita income below $20,000. we spoke to republicans and democrats here at the park today. i want to introduce you to a couple, transplants from southern california retired about ten years ago. they are supporting senator marco rubio. i asked them to talk about his performance in the last debate and the publicity that he got because he took his gloves off. take a listen. i understand we don't have that clip. if we don't have that clip i
will tell you what they said, essentially marco rubio was in a position to have to defend himself and come after donald trump harder. this couple we spoke to said they believe he is more presidential and better suited to be a commander in chief. we talked to a democratic -- >> i'm sorry to interrupt you but we are out of time. thank you. sorry about that. thanks to all of you for joining us live from birmingham. back here at 3:00 eastern. ahh... yeah! ahh... you probably say it a million times a day. ahh... ahh! ahh... ahh! but at cigna, we want to help everyone say it once a year. say "ahh". >>ahh... cigna medical plans cover
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