good evening. nighttime has fallen in brussels, belgium. a very sad place, as the free world is plunged into sadness yet again, after a horrible terrorist attack. it happened this morning in brussels, belgium. two attacks, about an hour apart. the death toll at this hour is posted at 31, with 230 people injured. a massive explosion at the international airport, followed
by another explosion inside the subway, not far away in brussels. and tonight, the search is on for one man believed to have survived, as surveillance video, a screen, one frame from surveillance video, shows three men walking together in the airport. they are carrying carriages of baggage, two of them are wearing only left gloves, believed to be masking detonation switches. this is the proportions here inside brussels. this is the airport not far away is the subway is to be, where it all happened. there's the freeze frame of the two men. note the left gloves, black gloves, on the two men wearing black. on the man on the right-hand side of the frame in the beige jacket is believed to be with them, though separated by some
distance, perhaps someone accompanying them to ensure they carried out their task. both men on the left are believed to have died in the attack, detonated themselves. we begin another hour of coverage here tonight, and we want to welcome michael leiter on the air with us. he is the former director of the u.s. national counterterrorism center. he worked for president george w. bush. he worked for president obama. and michael, i guess the question of the day is, how does the free world possibly win this? >> well, brian, it's an incredibly difficult fight. and what we've seen now in paris, then in san bernardino, and now in brussels, is how resilient this enemy is. and what is, i think, most shocking about this attack is despite some really valiant and intensive efforts by the french, by the belgians, by their partners in the u.s. and the uk, that four months after paris,
three days after the arrest of the lead planner, that this sophisticated attack could still occur. and that, i think, tells us many things, most of all, how difficult this enemy has become embedded into some of these centers in western europe. >> and isn't it true, michael, that the fight against terrorism is only as strong as the weakest link in the chain. so all the free nations on earth, we depende on all of the to launch a fight against terrorism within their borders. >> that is absolutely right. what counterterrorism professionals often say is, it takes a network to defeat a network. and the network you're trying to defeat here, isis, does rely -- we rely on a network of cooperative nations. truthfully, europe is especially
vulnerable. they are vulnerable because of their probatiximity to syria, a they are vulnerable because of much of what the european union has developed over the past 20 years, opening up borders, relying on other states to protect the borders, farther from belgium or paris. they didn't, at the same time, integrate their intelligence and security services. so you don't have the network in belgium, in europe, in paris, the same way with truthfully we do in the united states. and that means there are numerous weak links in that chain. >> having said that, you've always answered this next question honestly when we've posed it to you. how worried are you about the united states in light of this? >> i'm worried, and i will say that counterterrorism officials here in the u.s. are probably more worried than i've ever seen them. not specifically about the u.s., but again, about the scale of
this threat globally and how they have seen it growing strategically, but the failure to intercept this attack tactically. i think on the u.s. front, people should be concerned, because isis' message does not respect borders. we, obviously, have the experience in san bernardino. we've had other attacks. so we're borderless in that sense. but all that being said, the u.s.' borders are more secure. we do share information amongst agencies more effectively than most places in the world. so, i think that there is certainly still risk here in the u.s. we're not going to detect and stop everything. but i think it would be far more difficult to have a network which begins, say, it had an attack in san bernardino. i think the fbi would actually be more effective than some of our european colleagues were, at uncovering the rest of that network, if it existed, and disrupting possible plots. and again, that is the piece that is so shocking here, that
despite the focus, despite the investigation over the past four months since paris, that this still occurred. and it occurred not in a small scale way, but in really a large scale, spectacular, and quite sophisticated way. >> michael leiter, thank you for your honest answers yet again. always good to see you. thank you very much for being with us. at this point, we want to welcome arizona republican senator john mccain, chairman of the senate armed services committee, member of the homeland security and government affairs committees. senator, i was thinking earlier today, the war you fought in was considered so asymmetrical for its times, the way the united states arrived in vietnam, the length of time it took us to change to fit the fight. and yet, this is the most asymmetrical battle we have ever been faced with. the attacks are spectacular and gruesome. the good guys win, but often in
the dark of night, and it's often thanks to drones. have you any doubt that we're in a kind of slow-rolling world war? >> i have no doubt about it. and i think, as you mentioned, it's vastly asymmetrical. i understand that the attacks in paris cost something like $10,000. but i also would compare it to vietnam that we incrementally increased our effort there, which turned out to be a losing idea. we are incrementally increasing our presence in iraq and in syria and it's not that we're doing nothing, but it's nothing that we have done has had any measurable effect. and i agree with everything that mr. leiter said. but the problem is, brian, that there is a geographic base for this terrorist organization. it's called raqqah, and they're training and equipping and there's even in news reports that they have a chemical weapons factory there in raqqah. and until we have a strategy to go in and take them out and kill
them, they're going to be exporting these attacks and these people, particularly in the flow of refugees, and they will be, unfortunately, there will be further acts of terror in europe and in the united states of america, because this president has no strategy to defeat isis. and isis a product, not of a tsunami or a hurricane, but because of a failed foreign policy that pulled all of our troops out of iraq, al qaeda metastasized into isis, and we did not go after them and the beat goes on. and now we are faced with the dimensions of a strategy -- of a threat that we are going to be with for a long time. >> i don't know if it's curtis la may who gets credit for the term "carpet bombing," but let's say we carpet bombed raqqah, an idea that's picking up some currency -- >> i would not do -- >> it is said -- you can't
carpet bomb an idea out of existence, but what do you do about these cells? what do you do about the fact that these people are living in belgium? >> first of all, i would not carpet bomb. that -- that just would not be workable and would, in the long-term, i think, have very bad consequences for the united states. i would support strongly a force of about 100,000, with about 10,000 americans, composed of sunni nations, to go in, on the ground, in raqqah. and take them out. we are either going to kill them there, or we're going to kill them in the united states of america in europe. it is not more complicated than that. but we'd have to go in on the ground and liberty it. carpet bombing would not be the answer. now, if sophisticated drone strikes, et cetera would be, the efficient use of air power would
be part of this, but you would have to go in on the ground, and the majority of those forces would be sunni/arab, not u.s. troops, although we would provide some of the vital elements of success. but as long as they have that base, and they will be able to export, especially through this flow of refugees, further attacks on europe and the united states of america, and mr.mo m e moeller, the former deputy head of the cia in just the past couple of days said, and i agree with him, they're winning. their metastasizing in places like libya and africa and other places. they're not losing. >> so to that -- to the other point. let's say you kill them in raqqah. let's say you get your wish and there's a force of 100,000 and it's very effective on the ground. what do you do about those living in brussels? >> well, that's where -- you stop where the attacks originate. you cut off the head, and without that, the rest of the body dies.
and the head of it is based in raqqah, syria, where they are planning, training and orchestrating these attacks. and you have to go after the head of the snake and then the rest of it will follow. and then, of course, you'll still have radical islamic elements in the world, and we have a long struggle with that. but as long as they have a geographic base for a terrorist organization where they can plan, train, equip, and by the way, also develop chemical weapons, as they are now, according to news reports, then they will continue those attacks and those attacks will reach the united states of america. >> decorated adequate veteran, former pouch.o.w. and a veteran senator from arizona, john mccain, good to have you on, sir. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> richard engel is here in the studio with us, our chief foreign correspondent. richard, first question to you, as to pick up on senator mccain's answer to that question. >> well, you do hear that theory a lot, that there needs to be a force to drive isis out of its
safe haven. that they can't have a safe haven, not just in raqqah, but also mosul and many places in between. the problem is, who's going to be that force? is it going to be american troops? some component of american troops? >> the senator says 10,000 of them would be americans. >> i ask you that question. would that be palatable in this country after the last decade of middle east entanglements? i'm not so sure. >> and what does that do for those living in brussels and san bernardino? >> so there's two elements of this. there needs to be some -- some force, as this is what experts tell me. and some of that force is being used, and john mccain and others, senator, don't think that enough force is being used. the other part is, how do you de-radicalize the people who are living in brussels, in paris, in the united states, and elsewhere. and increasingly, i'm hearing people talk about an off-ramp. you need to give them an
off-ramp. >> what does that mean? >> let me use al qaeda as an example. al qaeda was born -- it was backed -- everyone knows the history, by the cia. it was backed by pakistan. it was backed by the saudi government, in order to fight the soviets, it had a cold war purpose. and then the group was not just ignored, it was actually hunted down. >> punished. >> when these people tried to go back to their homes in egypt or algeria, they were put on mass trials and sentenced to death. so you have al qaeda -- al qaeda became a permanent group of fugitives that had no place to go. and i like to think of al qaeda as this sort of disgruntled veterans' organization that lived homeless, looking for foreign wars to join, because it couldn't go home. isis is bigger. isis is more entrenched already in society. so if you try and make them all permanently fugitives, you offer them no off-ramp, then the only alternative is to find every one of them and kill every one of them. and that's probably unrealistic.
so i think it needs to be a combination of denying the terrain, fighting the ones who are determined to fight, and giving an off-ramp who decide that they don't want to do this anymore. >> by the way, having spent the number of years of your life you have covering these conflicts, i don't think you have to quote the experts. i think you can now qualify as one. and as that, how does this end? >> it ends, probably, with a solution in syria. that's how it probably ends. when i was listening to senator mccain just a minute ago talking about a sunni arab force marching into raqqah, and i kept thinking, okay, well, how are the turks going to feel about that? and how are the kurds going to feel about that? and how is the syrian government going to feel about that? and how is iran going to feel about that? and russia? and that's -- all to have these questions remain unanswered in syria. so isis is thriving not because it's so strong or because its ideology is popular. it's because there is no collective idea for what to do
to solve the conflict, to solve iraq. to solve syria. you solve those problems, you reestablish governance in syria. you come up with a peace deal. there's talks underway in geneva. you come up with a peace deal that works, then isis is an enemy to its own state, at this stage. right now it's thriving because there is no state. >> richard engel, our chief foreign correspondent here with us, during home leave, oddly, for this attack, which is good for us, because we get to ask your opinion. thank you very much. >> good to be with you. we'll take a break, and when come back, we'll go to correspondent chris dickey, longtime veteran journalist who's lived overseas for a long time. and being based out of paris, has now witnessed these last two terrorist attacks. when my doctor told me i have age-related macular degeneration, amd we came up with a plan to help reduce my risk of progression. and everywhere i look...
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was in between the arts-loi and maalbeek metro stations and we felt a blast of air, heard some thudding noises in the distance and my ears popped. >> what i heard from witnesses is there was some explosion near the entrance hall and a lot of people start fleeing toward the exits. and then the second bomb hit and the second bomb was large and more powerful. >> the shock wave that hit just like nothing i've ever felt before. and at that point, you turn, naturally, towards something, and the debris that was flying towards me, you know, was kind of highlighted. and i think looking back, i knew exactly what had occurred. >> we are back, covering today's awful terrorist attack in brussels, belgium. our next guest is christopher dickey. he is, these days, the daily beast foreign editor and msnbc contributor. he has been posted overseas for
many, many years, a veteran journalist, and i also should add, he has written beautifully about growing up in the american south. and chris, the problem is, you and i talk on television following something like this, lately, in the last few months, anyway. is the belief there, that this attack, and forgive my wording, was a quite a few quick turnaround response to the arrest of the lone fugitive from the paris attacks? >> well, there are a lot of theories, but i don't think any of the theories think that this was all pulled together, just in a couple of days, in the 3 1/2 days after the arrest of salah abdelslam, who was the last of the core eight members who carried out the paris attacks. when he was arrested, there was talk that he was involved with some other new plot. maybe this was the plot that was
already in the works. i think that's possibly likely. but at the end of the day, we don't know much about these people, who are -- who carried out the airport bombing. we know nothing about the person who carried out the metro bombing, in the metro station that's just behind me. and we know nothing about the person who's on the lam, except for the blurry picture of him. but what we do know is that they were very well organized, they had good logistical support, and that implies that there's a lot more of this out there. a lot more people like them and a lot more risks to come. >> i heard you earlier telling tamron hall that brussels tonight was kind of a blur of lights and sirens and vehicles going by your location quickly. for americans who don't know brussels, and you've been posted overseas for so long, how would you describe the city, and more importantly, how have you
watched it change, say, over the last decade? >> well, you know, brussels is a -- it's a beautiful, but a slightly disorganized city. this is a kind of disorganized country. half of it speaks flemish, the other half speaks french. it went without government for almost two years. and you always have the feeling that this is a, that somehow things don't quite gel in this town. at the same time, it's the capital of europe. so, in fact, this metro station back here, the buildings that it's in the middle of are the heart of european union. they are the capital hill, if you will, of the european union. so there's all that going on. and then, just a very little distance from here, you have neighborhoods, like molenbeek, which is talked about as the raqqah of europe, that are heavily arab, heavily muslim, with a lot of young men who are
easily seduced by jihadist propaganda. so all of that is going on in this very complicated city, where multiple languages are spoken and multiple ideals existed for a long time simultaneously. now they are clashing and violently. >> christopher, we had a security expert on earlier today. i think you and i talked about this hours ago, who said, this is -- what we're watches is a strategic campaign to destabilize europe. do you concur? >> reporter: oh, absolutely. i think that is exactly what we're watching. you had somebody, i think michael leiter on a little bit earlier, who was talking about the san bernardino attacks, as if they're all part of the same picture. they're not. yes, there are sympathetic attacks, there are self-starters, there are homegrown terrorists, but these -- that's not what this is about. this is about a concerted set of attacks, organized, logistically
in a way that amateurs are not capable of carrying out. this is about people building, yes, homemade bombs, but building them very, very well, and making them extremely effective in a way that amateurs don't do. these are professional terrorists, some of whom are willing to die, some of whom are willing to build networks that carry out these kinds of attacks. >> christopher dickey, after an awful day in brussels, thank you for staying up with us on a cold night in brussels. we always appreciate having you. we want to bring in next the spokesman for the u.s. state department, john kirby. and, i want to start by asking you if you agree with that statement, that this is a strategic campaign to destabilize europe by isis. >> well, we certainly have, again, without knowing exactly who is responsible, we've seen the claims that daesh is responsible. i think the investigators are still working their way through
that. that said, clearly, groups like this are -- have capabilities that we have to take very seriously. and they have threatened western targets now for a long, long time. and it's a threat that we are all too familiar, sadly, and trying to better prepare ourselves for. i will tell you, though, that one thing, i think, is important to remember is that this group, daesh, again, not saying that they are responsible for this, but they are under increasing pressure in iraq and syria, and we are seeing them resort to more traditional terrorist tactics, like suicide bombings and car bombs and those kind of things, because they are able to hold and grab the territory they once were. because they are suffering a lot of hits to their resources. they're having trouble recruiting, they're losing lots of defectors now in ways they weren't before. they're even higher now child soldiers to go into the field with their, you know, adult male fighters. so this is a group that is not operating at all the way it used to. and we think that one of the
reasons why you're starting to see more of these kinds of attacks, even in baghdad, is because this group is under some pressure. >> yes, but it's terrorism. >> right. >> we have nypd with automatic weapons outside this building in new york city and outside subway stations and train stations and airports and city upon city across the country, because it's terrorism. so day may be on the run. they may be hiring child warriors, but it is a gruesomely effective line of work. >> oh, there's no do argument with that, brian. we're not dismissing at all the violence that these people are capable of or the danger that they represent, not just in the region, but to our allies and partners in europe. and frankly, even here at home. we take it very, very seriously. and one of the things that we started talking about, way back when the fight against daesh began in the summer of '14 was this very real concerted concept of foreign fighters. people going and getting radicalized, whether it's self-radicalization or being
mentored and taught and then going back to their home countries to carry out attacks. this is something we've been watching for a long, long time. >> and daesh is the pejorative title for the same organization which we just go by isis for simplicity. while we've been talking, by the way, this new video has shown up, looking for all the world like a sequence out of "batman." the local police use their sun gun spotlight to search through neighborhoods tonight, as they're going house to house, they found at least one unexploded bomb, some chemicals, some nails, an isis flag. just some housekeeping on injuries and hopefully not deaths. are all the americans who were wounded accounted for? and is it still true we have suffered no known american fatalities today? >> it is still true, as you and i speak, brian, we're not -- we don't -- we're not possessing any information or confirmation that there are any u.s. citizens that were killed. but we're watching this very,
very closely. we have not completed a full accounting and we are trying very hard to do that, to include government personnel. so our post, our embassy is doing all they can to try to do a proper accounting, not only of the government personnel that they're responsible for, but for other citizens, as well. it can be difficult, because not every u.s. citizen registers with us and lets us know that they're there. but we're working on this very, very hard. >> john kirby, who had the same job at the pentagon as these days the spokesman for the u.s. state department, thank you very much, after a busy day, for coming on with us. >> thank you. good to be here. another break. our live coverage of the situation in belgium will continue right after this. you're an at&t small business expert? sure am. my staff could use your help staying in touch with customers. at&t can help you stay connected. am i seeing double? no ma'am. our at&t 'buy one get one free' makes it easier for your
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the flag atop the white house to fly at half-staff. it was lowered this afternoon. our next guest was governor of arizona. she was secretary of the department of homeland security from '09 to 2013. she, these days, is the president of the university of california. secretary janet napolitano is with us. and, madam secretary, this is the question we've been asking all of our guests. what do you do about this asymmetrical attack that will not stop. what do you do about the strength of an idea that continues to draw recruits, those recruits find their way into society in san bernardino, and in brussels. >> well, there's so many things that are being done and that need to be done. i think the first thing is, there needs to be a resolution in syria, itself, that
destabilization there, the war there. you can just see the spokes of it going out across the world. the second is to recognize how young people are being recruited to the effort and to look at social media and there's almost a battlefield on social media that needs to be underway right now. the third thing, obviously, is for law enforcement and security agencies to maximize their ability to prevent and should something happen to respond. and all of those things all have to happen at the same time. >> the government in belgium has been under some fire today for how they have handled terrorism. i won't ask you to pile on in that, but i will ask if you agree that the fight against this kind of thing is only as strong as the weakest link among the free nations? >> well, i think the free nations all have a vital stake
in this. and we are all better off when there is mutual aid, when there is good information sharing, intelligence sharing, a unity of effort, a unity of purpose. >> do you have concerns about the safety of the united states in light of something like this? is there anything about the, the way this was carried off, pulled off, that leads you to be concerned? >> well, i think, in looking at this and obviously, the facts are still coming out, so there shouldn't be a rush to judgment as to all of the forensics and what we know or don't know about tactics, but then you think back to paris, you think back to some of the other attacks that have occurred. and what we're seeing is an increase in sophistication and organization, you're seeing very effective bomb making, using materials that are commonly available over the counter, so
it's difficult to track that. and you are seeing just a continued pattern now, across western europe, of these cells, that are very organized, and it seems uncertain that they are know where they are or where they might move to. >> former secretary of homeland security, janet napolitano, madam secretary, thank you very much for coming on. >> thank you. >> our next guest is ali sufan, former fbi agent, and longtime expert in the business of counterterrorism, who runs a consultant firm these days. thank you for coming on. >> thank you for having me. >> let's talk about this still picture. it is a -- what's called a screen grab off a surveillance video from inside the airport. it shows three men. the two men on the left are both wearing only left gloves. they are both -- they look like
they are bulked up, their both wearing black shirts, khaki pants, the man on the right with the beige jacket, they have reason to believe he is still alive, while the other two went to their death. what do you make of the photo? >> well, you know, i'm sure that the authorities over there believe that this is directly connected to the terrorist attack and these two people are probably the terrorists or the suicide bombers. and they also believe, maybe because of a longer video, that they had over there, a cctv video, that the person in the beige, with the hat, might be with them. and that is something that we've seen before. east african embassy bombing, for example. there was a handler who drove the two suicide bombers to nairobi. to the embassy in nairobi. >> in effect, to make sure no one chickens out at the point of impact? >> well, that, and probably the person you see here in beige,
the handler, is an individual who had been involved in the planning and in the casing and so he is a person who knows exactly what needs to be done, where is the target, what to hit. the two other people are suicide bomber bombers, probably have no involvement in the planning itself. so their job is just to go and blow themselves up. his job is to tell them where to go and how to do that. the other two, we see interestingly enough, they are wearing gloves, but the glove is only on the left hand, not the right hand. the right hand is exposed, but the left hand that as a glove. that is -- i don't want to read too much into it, but the only thing that comes to my head, that this is probably a detonator and they are trying to hide the detonator. as we know, in the airport, you have a lot of law enforcement, especially in brussels, you have armed police with machine guns, and they were fearful that somebody can detect them. somebody can see that probably
they are trying to do something bad and they're going to approach them. so probably they won't have time to reach out or to detonate their vests. so they probably have the detonator hidden under the gloves. >> either a push button or it's been theorized, a rocker switch, which is almost a home light switch. it's also been theorized that in the carts they are pushing are in effect luggage bombs. because when we look at the aftermath, this main terminal has very high ceilings. there was a lot of upward kinetic force in this explosion, sure. the drop ceiling all came down. a lot of the super structure came down. and that perhaps this -- there's the aftermath. this was probably not the destructive force of two bomb belts, unlike the subway bombing, which likely was a single suicide bomber. do you concur?
>> you know, i don't want to say anything, you know with the lack of the forensic evidence. i believe that the investigators will find these things, but most of the things that fell are glass. so the glass will shatter with an explosion so i don't want to -- i think there is probably people -- i'm sure there are people now looking into the forensics of things and there was some news earlier that possibly a suitcase exploded. that is a possibility, but so far, what we've seen with isis in the attacks that they conducted in beirut and the attacks they conducted in different areas, they use -- they have been using suicide vests. and that has been their bomb of choice, if you want to call it. >> final question, you chose a rough line of work in life. and it's a dirty, gritty, fatal business.
both as a public servant and now as an expert, a consultant. how do you see this slow-motion, brutal war ever coming to an end? >> you know, unfortunately, i always look at, you know, think of this. on 9/11, the members of al qaeda, the pledged members of al qaeda were only about 400. now we have hundreds of thousands, literally, hundreds of thousands of people who adhere to the ideas of osama bin laden, under al qaeda, al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, al qaeda in the islamic musrab, member, isis is a branch of al qaeda, if you want to call it. and i think now we have a totally different threat, the threat that we dealt with the in the '90s and the early 2000s. we have a threat, posed by foreign fighters, who actually went and participated in the war in syria and iraq, in the conflict zones. and now they are coming back. they are coming back to places like the uk, like germany, like
belgium, like france. belgium is a small country. belgium has -- >> 11 million people. >> 11 million people. the muslim community in belgium is only about 500,000. they have 470 foreign fighters -- >> that we know. >> that we know. most of them are from brussels. and most of those guys from brussels are from one neighborhood, molenbeek. >> that's the highest per capita population of foreign fighters in any nation on earth. >> like in the united states, for example. we have 315 million people. >> that we know of. >> yeah, 315 million people. we have, what's the number, about 5 million muslims. we only have about 250 who went to the conflict zone in iraq and syria or attempted to go to the conflict zone in iraq and syria. france, they have 1,700 foreign fighters. germany, 760. the uk, 760. and the problem that we have in europe, that you have open
borders. you have open borders, people can travel freely. the problem is, we don't have open share of information, because of eu laws that -- privacy laws, civil right issues that they have. and this is all fine and dandy. was if you want to have open borders, you better have a system in place that can help you share information about terrorists or about people who pose threats. and, as long as we don't have that, unfortunately, we're going to find more of these tragic attacks in europe. >> and we're looking at the consequences on the screen right now. ali sufan, thank you so much for stopping by and sharing your opinions with us. >> thank you. another break. our live coverage will continue of this sad day right after this. these are the hands that build the machines,
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we are back with our continuing breaking news coverage. and within that, we apparently have breaking news from tom costello who covers aviation for us and he joins us by telephone from washington. tom, what do you have? >> reporter: brian, a little bit of information about how the police were able to identify who they believe the suspects are at the brussels airport. and as you know, there had been ongoing police operations in the belgian -- in the brussels neighborhood of schaerbeek. apparently, a taxi driver came forward to authorities and reported that he had brought three individuals to the airport this morning and when he tried to help them with their luggage, it was extremely heavy. he was unable to help them with the luggage. he let those three individuals
out at the brussels airport, according to several media reports, out of brussels. and when the explosions occurred, he then contacted the police, and said, i may have dropped those suspects off at the airport. he thought they were a little suspicious to begin with. he then took the police back to the home where he picked up the suspects to begin with, to take them to the airport. police then moved in on that home and have been concentrating on that ever since. and as you know, there have been reports that they confiscated a nail bomb as well as some chemical products and an isis flag. so this is the latest information now, coming out of several media reports, flemish media reports in brussels. brian? >> all right. that would make perfect sense. number one, why the chopper was in the air so quickly, how they knew to go to that home, in that neighborhood. how they scored so quickly in
finding unexploded ordinance, nails, chemicals, the isis flag. and that would confirm those three men, and why they are isolated in that video. tom costello, thank you very much for that. and we want to play something that happened here in new york tonight. this is senator ted cruz about the attacks today. >> muslim americans, like all americans, are baring the consequences of jihadists waging war against them. radical islamists are killed in the middle east and elsewhere. and if you look here in the city of new york, new york had a proactive policing program that mayor michael bloomberg chai championed to work cooperatively with the muslim community to top radicalization.
to stop radicalized terrorists from carrying out terror attacks before they occurred. and mayor bill de blasio, when he came in, in a peak of political correctness, canceled the program. that is refusing to acknowledge the threat that we have and the world is too dangerous to deny reality. >> bill de blasio, a liberal democrat. ted cruz, as you may have gathered, a conservative republican. and it's useful to remember this is a primary and caucus night. and later on this evening, we will be covering the vote in three western states. hallie jackson covers senator cruz, which means if he's in new york, we get a rare visit with hallie jackson in new york. how was this generally approached by the three remaining republicans in the race today? >> let's talk about ted cruz. because you heard his comments there, talking about the need to, in his words, patrol and secure muslim neighborhoods, which raised a lot of eyebrows and got pretty much immediate backlash from groups like care,
the council on islamic and american relations. cruz is framing this as political correctness. this is essentially ted cruz making sure that donald trump is not the only one with a hardline stance when it comes to immigration comes to the response on the terror tax in brussels. a couple of minutes ago, cruz talked to reporters here again in manhattan and compared it in his view to what you do if there was a gang issue in a certain neighborhood. would you have police go in, patrol, work the community. that's essentially what he is saying should be done in the muslim neighborhoods as well. donald trump called for borders to be closed. >> famously. >> correct. just this morning on the today show, hitting ted cruz, basically saying it's unconstitutional. hitting president obama for the baseball game he attended. he said if it were me, i would be on a plane back to
washington. frame this through their political pr political prism. he wants to talk about being more moderate in the field than the rest of the republicans, you've got donald trump being donald trump, looking to stake out the position, and that's how you're seeing the responses here. >> tell our good folks where they're voting tonight. we'll see you later tonight as part of the political coverage. >> yes. >> arizona. >> utah. >> idaho. >> and i'll tell you, the utah caucus will be interested for ted cruz. it's a place where the campaign feels they'll get above the 50% to get a lot of delegates. we're not talking about it so much for good reason, but still important to note, this is an election day. donald trump tweeted about that, in the context of brussels. he said hey, i was -- i know how to keep this country safe. i hope the people of arizona and utah remember that. >> it will probably be one of those split screen nights of news coverage ahead for us. hallie jackson, always a pleasure to see you, off the
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good evening, once against. 6:00 p.m. in new york, 3:00 p.m. in los angeles. nightfall brings candlelight vigil, lights from above from helicopters, all because of the terrorist attack. the death toll at 31. 231 thereabouts injured, and the investigation now full bore into who did this. our chief foreign correspondent, richard engle, rejoins us in the studio. richard, we've learned from tom costello in the last hour that ap