tv The Place for Politics 2016 MSNBC June 8, 2016 1:00am-2:01am PDT
welcome back to our live, special election coverage here on msnbc. it is 3:00 in the morning here on the east coast. we are awake, we are live, we are watching california. we don't have a call in yet. we have 46% of the vote in. nbc news streeting this as too close to all. we have a 19-point gap showing
headquart hillary clinton doing well. this is on the night where she gave what amounted to her victory speech out there. i want to bring in sherry dan, liz flank and business insider's josh barrow. josh, let's start with you sense you're new to our table. i'll start with the big question. sometimes we get so lost in the details. the big question is what does it mean for the democratic party to have picked a woman nominee? what does it mean for america? what kind of night on it? >> i think it's a big night, but the night is diminished somewhat by the fact that we knew this was coming for months. headquarter hg has turned away from bernie sanders on the campaign trail, now officially she could say she does. but i think with, you know, this election is going to be so much referendum on donald trump and the vision of what he could do for the country, what his supporters believe he would do to make it great again and what his growing number of opponents believe with that he would pose as dangerous or the country. i think that's going to dominate
the conversation in a way such that people will not be so focused on hillary clinton as the first woman president or hillary clinton as a quite far to the left candidate compared to previous democratic presidential nominees. i think farther left than barack obama was in 2008. she's shifted a lot since her own campaign in 20308. the question is just should we make donald trump president or not. >> and carrie, by that metric, a lot of republicans think this is a missed opportunity. because the way you beat hillary clinton, they believe, is to focus on hillary clinton and have that referendum on her, not on the unusual and sometimes outrageous semi republican nominee. >> absolutely. this is a historic knit for hillary clinton. she is a deeply flawed candidate. she has historically high negatives and historically high negatives for -- she's been in the public eye, she's been polled since before the 1990s. this is her lowest positive rating of her entire political career.
she should be somebody who is extremely vulnerable. on issues like national security, on issues like her -- you know, the clinton foundation, her ties to wall street. and to some extent, her opponents have tried to exploit those. so much focus is on donald trump who with is the only candidate that has higher negative ratings than hillary clinton. we had a poor jobs report within the last week and we had a state department i.d. report that was extremely negative for hillary clinton and, yet, very little of that has been talked about. we've been focusing on donald trump's comments on the mexican american judge. we've been focussing on disarray within the republican party and not what could have been a way to take the momentum away. >> and people often say, i think correctly, that part of the problem, if you think that's a problem and that tie namic you just described is with the press which has a fascination with donald trump and the attention and ratings that he is believed to bring. having said that or stipulated
that, whether you agree with that or not, the other factor seems to be that donald trump is the only person making key strategic calls on his campaign and he is the most inward looking self-obsessed campaign narrator we've seen in the modern era. >> well, and he has been so can consistent. we saw tonight him reading from a tell prompter after having a very bad week. and it seemed extremely artificial to people who have been watching him on and off. even before when he's given tell prompter speeches, he made interjections or tried to make the comments hesitate own. this seemed particularly forced like he was trying to fulfill that role and saying specifically i understand the mantle -- >> you almost got the feeling -- and i don't want to put him had on the, you know, couch here, but that he was saying, but i can do it but how much fun is that going to be? because he didn't seem to be that much into it. here is hillary talking tonight.
>> it may be hard to see tonight, but we are all dancing under a glass ceiling right now. we're not -- this one. thanks to you, we've reached a milestone. the first time in our nation's history that a woman will be a -- [ cheers and applause ]. tonight is not about one person. it belongs to generations of women and men who struggled and
sacrificed and made this moment possible. and our country has started right here in new york, a place called seneca falls. when a small but determined group of women and men came together with the idea that women deserved equal rights and they set it forth in something called the declaration of seminoles and it was the first time in human history that that kind of declaration occurred. so we all owe so much to those who came before and tone belongs to all of you. the stakes in this election are
high. and the choice is clear. donald trump is temple mentally unfit to be president and -- and he's not just trying to build a wall between america and mexico. he's trying to wall off americans from each other. when he says let's make america great again, that is code for let's take america backwards. back to a time when opportunity and dignity were reserved for some, not all. promising his supporters an economy he cannot recreate. with we, however, we want to write the next chapter in
american greatness with a 21st century prosperity that lifts everyone who has been left out .left behind, including those who may not vote for us with, but who deserve their chance to make a new beginning. when donald trump says a distinguished judge born in indiana can't do his job because of his mexican heritage, or he mocks a reporter with disabilities or calls women pigs, it goes against everything we stand for.
because we want an america where everyone is treated with respect and where their work is valued. it's clear that donald trump doesn't believe we are stronger together. he has abused his primary opponents and their families, attacked the press for asking tough questions, denigrated muslims and immigrants. he wants to win by soaking fear and rubbing salt in wounds. and reminding us daily just how great he is. well, we believe we should lift each other up, not tear each other down. we believe -- we believe we need
to give americans a raise, not complain that hard working people's wages are too high. we believe we need to help young people struggling with student debt, not pile more on our national debt with giveaways to the super wealthy. we believe we need to make america the clean energy super power of the 21st century. . not insist that climate change is a hoke. to be great, we can't be small. we have to be as big as the values that define america, and we are a big hearted, fair-minded country. we teach our children that this is one nation under god
indivisible with liberty and justice for all. not just for people who look a certain way or worship a certain way or love a certain way. for all, indy visible. this election is not, however, about the same old fight between democrats and republicans. it really is about who we are as a nation. it's about millions of americans coming together and saying we are better than this. we won't let this happen in america. >> that was hillary clinton speaking earlier tonight, making the case for what she believes
to be -- i'm going to stand up to donald trump. she has experience fighting bullies, yet something more broader and vague. do people know what it is coming from her right now? >> it thought it was injury. 30s's case, there was a speech much more aimed at the democratic electorate, trying to reach out to bernie sanders supporters and they are looking to protect the same groups that donald trump attacks. so i thought they were complimentary cases, they were different as a more moderate voter. but i thought they both sort of broadly made a similar taste for
different parts of political coalition. >> well, yeah, and, liz, so much of what's happened, as josh mentioned, just in the short time from late last week to this week is a bunch of republicans are carrying the water here. people who are -- having mitch mcconnell and paul ryan and others say no, donald trump is being racist and that's a textbook example of racism, it doesn't leave a lot of people left on the island to defend. oh, my god. do you really wants to be on the other side of mitch mcconal eps racial sensitivity. >> and on the other hand, hillary clinton doesn't have to do anything. she can just basically do her thing and continue with that line that she had on that thursday during that thursday speech of he is does not have
the ability to become president. i think her strategy because a lot of what she will be taking with fit right into that. >> the xwhents on the judge were perfectly suited for that. in a lot of ways, she is the establishman in the way that i think the worst candidate to run against donald trump, to show it can be a strength for her. she has experience. she's gone into countries, you know -- as secretary of state and that could be a good thing. that could bring to those independents who are looking pore that. >> and it does seem like the clinton campaign hasn't settled on exactly what they're going to do. there's a big difference between saying someone is a bully and
someone is a joke. i don't know where hillary clinton went to high school, but the last time i checked, people don't necessarily love the bully, but there's a reason why the bully is the bully. a lot of people broadly decide they want to side with the bully. so i'm not sure that's the long-running argument. obviously, it cease not a vote, that eats okay the 3. >> and especially early on, we thought the clinton campaign was throwing the kitchen sink at the republican party. we see fwh this new priorities usa add specifically on donald trump making fun of a reporter's disability, a very hard-hitting add in which pairchbts who are a daughter with a disability say that gives you a window into
donald trump's soul. and you're seeing with hillary clinton's speech tonight as opposed to the one on thursday, you saw a bit of an appeal to co co come. not that she's been a nice candidate at all quarterback but she's saying i'm the person who can reach out to all americans, no matter what. >> everyone he ever to continue with me mr. >> would that end his primary in a way that don't did not? >> in. . sthoo
. welcome back. all eyes were on california tonight, but there was some action in washington where president obama made two phone calls tonight. one to hillary clinton, congratulating her on securing the delegates necessary to clench the democratic nomination for president, his job, and another in which he thanked senator sanders, we're told, for energizing millions of americans with his commitment to issues like economics and equality. everyone wants to know when will the president make an endorsement. and you look at this, josh, and you say, here is a president who has been assiduously careful, there's been criticism here .there about various comments. but he's not under any obligation to sit this one out when he has his had former secretary of state and cabinet member running against an empty socialist. >> yeah, well there was this story a few days ago about
people in the president's communication shop, this was widely interpreted as a nudge from the president trying to tell bernie that he's supposed to get out. now, i think part of the hesitation is likely that bernie sanders' supporters would not receive it well. it would seem like the president was interfering with the revolution. so i think the question would be whether and wh for the president to endorse or to wait. i think even though he and hillary clinton had a very acrimonius campaign eight years ago, they've gotten over that. so i think it is a question of timing. i don't know whether it's going the be several days or weeks. the if bernie is going to stay in for the d.c. rim, he's going to get out after it and wait a
week for that, but i think it will be fairley soon. >> you don't get out of the rates race before the d.c. primary. >> he's going to lose the -- >> you don't get out of the race before you lose the d.c. primary. i joke not because that's a joke, but because there is sort of a weird aspect to some of the late stage battles he's picking. bernie sanders has been an incredible idea logical force this cycle. so it is weird. it's a little weird to watch him, you know, hit the d.c. primary and hit some of these battles at the end when you go that's a weird note to end on. the other is he is meeting with the president on thursday ask they're written carefully over at the white house. it says at senator sanders' request, the president will meet senator sanders to discuss these issues. the president saying we need to be clear and we're happy to do the meeting.
>> i think another thing to note is he is popular right now, second since his inauguration. right now, it's very arguable that he is so popular because americans are looking at the candidates presented to them and saying, well, the current guy is actually better than both of these people. but either way, he's become a more powerful force for hillary clinton by virtue of being at the height of his popularity since february 2013. >> well, yeah, and i think you make a fair point, there's been a lot of obstruction of congress, there's been a lot of opposition to this president. right now, they're still blocking the president's supreme court notny.
it doesn't work care of that. obama talk is about trump. there's a preview of that type of campaign josh was talking about. >> the republican nominee for president has already said he's dismantle all these rules that we passed. that is crazy. sometimes i just don't get it. how it is that someone could propose that we weaken regulations on wall street. have we really forgotten what just happened eight years ago and the notion that you would vote for anybody who will now allow them to go back to doing the same stuff that almost broke our economy's back makes no sense. >> so bz the president made this
peach against the nominee -- to get his back. >> we cannot memorialize the power of the president as a surrogate for hillary, spshlg since if she is a nominee, she will be running against donald trump. the guy basically elevated the rumors that the president wasn't born in the united states of america. and i think we're going to see barack obama have a lot of fun with that and have a lot of fun in a way that i don't think hillary clinton can, even if she wanted to be joking and fun and making that kind of joke, i don't think she would be able to deliver them in the way the president can. and to your point, he's very popular right now and she's very popular with the demographic that we're the ones who basically
used hreach those is who e keep those politics, is to remember how it dislikes the combined team of barack obama and hillary clinton. >> hillary has points in the polls even before donald trump had the relief of his party surrounding him. >> slr somewhere around almost 30% of burny sanders voters saying they would prevent their vote. it will be something that's good for a few points until the pole. but, really, she needs to keep up what she has and hold some of that together and she wins. how many republicans she can peel off with these concerns about donald trump's fitness for the presidency, that on one
level is gravy. on another level, it may be getting her coat tails down the ticket, helping her retake one or both houses of congress. but i think the key advantage for the president is going to be as she try toes bring those bernie sanders supporters back over to her, the president is well liked by most of those supporters. he will be a validate -- before we lose you. and this is deep, deep down the rabbit hole. but it is late at night. i was sitting here and i haven't decided or haven't figured it out. but i'm wondering how much of the republican criticism we're hearing right now is a genuine outrage of oh, my god, this is the nominee. there are some things i cannot -- the language of republicans, not my language. race iflism being something they want to is he the step up on. how much of it is that people at this early stage like mr.
mcconnell, looking at this and saying this nominee is likely to win. and i would rather get on record early, not late and des the pratt, that there is a future for this party that has to rally around the trump train, not through it. >> i think to your point, right now, even though hillary clinton has a if you jut look at the top line. that's not delve into the. i have to be mind my nominee, that's basically what pail ryan said. he said despite the fact that this is the definition of race ifl, he's still better on tax policy than hillary clinton is going to be. if she gets the bounce, i think you might see a couple more republicans who the may be more likely to say now is the time for me to get on record to see i
they've made hundreds of millions of dollars selling access, selling favors, selling government contracts -- and i mean hundreds of millions -- second clintdesigned to keep he corruption dealings out of the public record, putting the security of the entire country at risk and a president in a corrupt system is totally protecting her. not right. i am going to give a major speech on probably monday of next week and we're going to be discussing all of the things that have taken place with the clintons. i think you're going to find it very informative and have been we very interesting. >> when he says let's make
america great again, that is code for let's take america backwards. back to a time when opportunity and dignity were reserved for some, not all, promising his supporters an economy he cannot recreate. >> and joining us here at the table, nbc news.com. >> thank you. >> you know, it's late. it's late at night. crazy things happen. >> thank you. >> alson pure, new to the table here. i'm going to start with you. you hear them squaring off, you hear donald trump practicing his speech. >> dund in.
>> and it turns out he's against personal enrichment, right? >> he is at war with this judge, not over public policy, not over the -- plans to build a wall. no. it's over trump university which may or may not have been satisfactory to -- >> and the judge's parents. >> which may or may not have been satisfied the to its customers the the.that's what the case is about. there are some happy customers and some unhappy there's no doubt trump 20637 market issue, right? and the place in our system where we fight that out is in the courts. but what is so great about right now is everything is -- right?
you've got donald trump reading a prompter. you have hillary clinton being pulled over. charming. but i think this idea that the republican establishment says you've go the gone the too far going after a federal judge for their ethnicity. but if you start following it shortly after must made that speech, you couldn't help hips. >> for people who follow these keep of things, he put out this lengthy statement that didn't substantiate anything about -- which he didn't apologize at l all.. >> here is hillary clinton,
hitting him on that tonight. when donald trump says a distinguished judge born in indiana can't do his job because of his mexican heritage -- >> oo oo! or he mocks a reporter with disabilities or calls women pigs, it goes because they wanten mrern where everyone is tre treat. >> there core values. it's clear that donald trump doesn't believe we are stronger together. he has abused his primary opponents and their families, attacked the president for
asking tough questions, denigrated muslims and immigrants. he wants to win stoking fear and rubbing salt in wounds, and reminding us dately. >> hillary clinton there speaking tonight. raul, in a different election year, if you went 24r50u that list, people might say that sounds like exaggeration. everyone she lists is basically checking out if you check on it. >> right. >> carrie was mengzed it earlier it's in gnaw add. yet as for the straw that broke the elephant's backs this week, as terrible and racist it's calling out the judges, that is
a dispute on the scale of two people. this is a candidate who vuning on a policy, he says, of doing religious discrimination as immigration. right? >> or religious tests which we have snat. >> so r my concern right now, and i think this is why hillary will really need president obama, is if you started watching the way he is talking about immigration and peep people's jobs and he pivots and says to the african-american community, i'm going to do it for you.
that is very serious. >> raul. >> that could we vulnerability, when you talk about the immigration, the macro effects as a net benefit, but there is some job loss. statistically, there has been. this is something trump can move ahead on, yet he stumbles. when he tried to in a sense connect with african-americans, i'm paraphrasing, but he said something like the of a karn men. >> paraphrasing donald trump. >> but even his phrasing, you
can see this is not something he's comfortable with. >> i guess what i'm driving can at is why isn't it our xlits with this judge and this fight, mark kerr coming out today. why is that, as i said -- >> not a pomz where you see we're going to babb tens of mlgs of people. >> i don't know that we know that. we all have the sense, is this the one that's going to hurt donald? we certainly know that it is has gotten under the skin of other republican politicians. >> but i think what the difference between this and everything else you know? >> checkes and balances. and he said first doing it with media and everybody, it like, oh, liberal media. but now he's doing it with something we value on both sides of the aisle.
we are going to fight hard. we are going to fight hard to on win the primary in washington, d.c. and then we take our fight for social, economic, racial and environmental justice to philadelphia! bernie sanders there speaking tonight. we were talking before the break and we go forward now. >> we were talking about how trump has received all this pushback and backlash for his comments. you were mentioning you thought it had something to do with him questioning the integrity of our
judicial system. i certainly agree with you -- >> raising the points about the impart ashl of a judge, i certainly agree with that, but many people criticize the supreme court depending on rulings or they see certain judge judges as activists. i don't see that as being the root cause of this backlash that trump has received now. i look at it and to a serp extent, i feel mystified. many people i've spoken to, they're saying, wait a minute, from day one, donald trump was making statements about la immigrants and latinos. why is it only now that people finally say -- >> no, no, that's not wrong. the latino community feels like we have been the canary in the coal mine.
but what really struck the republican party, and said you're taking it a step too far, the fact that you are saying you cannot be impartial based on your heritage. for him, wall -- and i don't think that it was -- you know, i actually don't think that it was for the broader audience. i think it was another dog whistle for his audience saying you are in a completely changing demographic now. >> the audience has changed, right? there was a republican primary audience broadening out to general election audience and it's just a different set of people with a who set of different reactiones from donald trump been. >> then the question is how dumb is he? he's been shrewd in his business. >> but he's really caught in a fundamental decision.
my sense ask is in the end, he is an animal that cannot be staged. . >> but as a republican nominee, they can lose the senate. but that's one of the reasons why all of a sudden you have senator kirk out of illinois who is saying not i. right? >> and the politics of that may exchange the self-interest and the divide. thank you for joining us. we'll be back for one more take on the historic night tonight live msnbc.
it may be hard to see tonight, but we are all standing under a glass ceiling right now. if we can blast 50 women into space, we will some day launch a woman into the white house. and, although we weren't able to shatter that highest glass ceiling this time, thank you. it got about 18 million cracks in it. and the light is shining through like never before, filling us all with the hope and the sure knowledge path will be a little
easier next time. >> hillary clinton there eight years ago to the date. as we think about the night that just unfolded, we don't want to lose sight of the history. what is historic about tonight and what it means? josh, you were saying earlier some of this has been stretched out and expected, but -- >> yeah. i don't -- i think some people are finding this campaign less exhausting than i have been findsing it. yes, we need to sit back and understand how historic this is. and i understand that. we've been marching inevitably towards this mark for so long. i think i'm not alone in that. i think there are a lot of voters who are just as soon ready to have this be over. >> yeah. i think a lot of folks are core nating her. and i think what often times we forget is that she has -- yes, she's because of an establishment, but she built
herself up. and we forget that in america, you can still come from the middle class and hold the highest office. and i think that's powerful. >> i'm going to be corny ask just say watching hillary clinton's speech, i was so moved. i thought it was beautiful and it was so remarkable to me that on a night where she was making history, she went out of her way to make it not about herself, invoking her mother, invoking her supporters, invoking that sense of history, i find it very moving. if you put aside the politics involved, i really personally found it very moving, very gracious. >> a lot of people are watching and remember this night more than some others along the way. i think that thonk our panel. we'll be back with more special coverage.
it's tuesday, june 8th. right now on "first look" -- >> first time in our nation's history that a woman will be a major party's nominee for president of the -- >> hillary clinton acknowledges a historic achievement while bernie sanders says it ain't over yet. as the backlash over donald trump's judge comments grows, he makes an appeal to sanders supporters and receiving his first unendorsement. but stephen colbert could not help but note the significance of clinton's achieve.