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larger -- its audience vastly larger than cnn actually winning in every timeslot and, of course, becoming this amazing force in the republican party. >> michael, do you think that the way roger has run fox news has essentially created dna for that network that it can continue to replicate what it's been doing in his absence? is he such an active manager, such an active controller of the way that network looks and the way it thinks and the way it to looks every day we'll see a very different network, or do they know what to do now after 20 years of roger? >> no. i think roger is -- it's been the remarkable thing about fox that fox is roger ailes. he has this -- this connection to his audience, a kind of connection that i don't think we've ever seen in the television news business. absolutely unique.
he's inside his audience's head. the audience is inside his head and it is really the difference. look at it this way. i think cnn and msnbc are both run by incredibly talented, television executives, professional in every way. but they are both networks are only a fraction of the size of fox. so what we will see now is fox will be run by very intelligent, highly profession al cable news managers, but they won't be roger ailes. in effect, the three major cable news networks will be functionally at the same level without that distinctive roger ailes touch which is worth to 21st century fox an additional
$500 million to $600 million in profit a year. >> michael wolff, who covers media for "the hollywood reporter" and "usa today" on this seismic shift in media and republican politics and the intersection thereof. michael, thank you very much. as we begin our coverage of this night four at the republican national convention in cleveland. chris matthews, a preview from you about the politics we are likely to hear tonight. >> well, there's going to be a lot about the usual republican theme of law and order going back to 1968. you're going to see a lot about the big cities. there's going to be an ethnic aspect to this, a racial aspect to it. trump in his speech talks about the crime rate in washington, d.c. he talks about the crime rate in baltimore. those are cities of large minority populations, we all know, and it's going to carry that kind of flavor.
he talks very much about that theme. and i think the idea of running on law and order at a time we're really being challenged by terrorism is a very republican approach to it. and if you listen to the speeches this week they've sort of brought together, merged, if you will, gelled, concern about attacks on police with terrorist attacks on the united states and other western countries. it's the police aspect, the law and order aspect of it rather than the geopolitical that trump seems to like. that's the side of the fight he wants to take. and so it's going to have some bristle to it and a lot of progressives and other people are not going to like it because it has that angry strain of division. back to you guys. >> one of the african-american speakers at this week's convention that has already made a little bit of a stir is pastor mark burns who gave the opening night benediction, speaks with a lot of energy and has already sparked some controversy. let's tune in.
>> pastor mark burns from the great state of south carolina! and, listen, republicans, it is so important that we come together to defeat hillary clinton and those race baiting democrats. yeah, yeah. and those democrats will do whatever it takes to keep us americans focusing on the colors that divide us and not the colors that unite us! [ applause ] and you know why. because she's afraid -- she's afraid --
she's afraid because she knows that together we will never allow hillary clinton to become the next president of the united states of america. never. never. never. shall never -- shall never, ever, will she ever, step foot in the republic as president of the united states. and i will declare to the whole world and to the republican party that under donald trump and under a donald trump administration all lives matter! [ applause ] all lives. all lives. all lives. all lives.
and that means black lives, white lives, hispanic lives, asian lives, christian lives, muslim lives. shout with me, all lives -- >> matter! [ applause ] all lives. all lives. and even though -- >> all lives matter! all lives matter! all lives matter! >> let them know. >> all lives matter! >> let me say this -- even though i disagree with the tactics and the divisive rhetoric of the black lives matter movement, i do understand
that hopelessness and lack of opportunity breeds this type of desperation. it does. [ applause ] and this is true in many of our nation's ghettos and our under privileged communities. protest in urban city centers are born out of this kind of desperation. but the thing is the way that we can solve the problem and to eliminate this kind of a desperation is to create good jo jobs, urban economics -- good jobs, urban revitalization, and opportunities for job training and long-term solutions. that would solve the problem in our troubled cities around this country. [ applause ]
and i want to make a loud cry that we as republicans, we are declaring right now today that we are determined more than ever to listen to the cries of the disenfranchised, the low income, the at-risk communities. we are more than ever we will solve the problem together. together. together. together. together. shout together. shout together. >> together! >> and i know without a shadow of a doubt that donald j. trump will make sure that all americans will have jobs!
[ applause ] you know why. because donald trump isn't going to pander after one race. his heart is after the human race. and together -- together -- shout together. >> together. >> shout together. >> together. >> not as black americans, white americans, brown americans, yellow americans, or red americans but just as americans. and together as americans we will get to the promised land. the promised land. we'll get there. and the promised land is a place
where jobs have returned back to this country where college degrees replace mass incarcerations and no matter what terrorist group that tries to destroy our way of life, we will rise from the ashes. we will never die. we will always survive. and do you know why, because we are the united states of america! >> usa! usa! >> and hear me -- listen, and this fight -- this fight the color you were born with here in
america the only colors that america are the -- >> red, white and blue. >> aim pastor mark burns and my beautiful wife and six babies, i invite every single one of you to help me elect the next president of the united states of america, donald j. trump! shout trump! trump! trump! trump! >> trump! trump! trump! trump! >> for most people speaking is not aerobics. for some it is. most luncheon speakers before most of your lions or elks club don't need a shower afterwards. he does. steve schmidt, what do you
think? >> it made me think about donald trump going after jeb bush as low energy. now we know what his version of high energy is. >> gene robinson? >> i am just wondering -- i was asking during the speech, does he have like a church? do people actually go there? i've heard a lot of fire and brimstone speeches -- >> you're from south carolina. to hear that every sunday would be a whole lot. >> that's a lot of energy. >> i feel watching that speech i had a little workout. i feel like just trying to keep up with getting to the end of the sentence, my core is stronger. >> i agree. i think you speak for all of us. let's go to a break. we'll be back. i think we're going to towel off.
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business -- >> american sports fans of a certain age remember this man for the number 10 he wore on his chest with the minnesota vikings. that would be your hall of fame quarterback fran tarkenton addressing the gop convention in cleveland. meantime at our studio just off the floor of the convention, chris matthews has a special guest to talk about politics. chris? >> i have a guy who knows a lot about politics, mark halperin of bloomberg and other enterprises. you sit there in your head writing a book all the time. you're thinking chapter by chapter. describe this chapter. >> they have episodically put trump in trappings. he's resist ed it. he loves the rallies. this is, i think, a big night for a lot of reasons, including how did they convince him to give what appears to be an address like a state of the union address. they want to humanize him.
that's important. the main goal is to get americans to imagine him as president, not as a reality star, show star, not as developer, not as cartoon figure but commander in chief, president of the united states. >> how does that conform or co- coincide with a convention which is so focused on, to be blunt, hatred of hillary clinton? >> well, look, the chant of "lock her up," i think, goes beyond what we've heard at most conventions. every convention i've been at has tough rhetoric. against john kerry, against george bush there was tough rhetoric. i think it's to some extent been overstated. there's no it doubt, though, that every moment trump has been front and center it's been particularly with the family to testify about him. ivanka, i think, is a huge thing which has been said. he's not going to be, i think, personally negative about her. he's going to try to make the case as much for himself, though, as against her. >> you know, you've watched the culture of the republican party like i have, the anthropology of
it. they play golf -- >> they nominate the person. >> they talk sports. you meet a guy, after you get to know the guy for ten minutes, do you play golf? that's the way they relate. it's conforming. donald trump, although he does play golf, is not a conformist. he is not like most republican guys. how does this marriage work? >> well, we're seeing some of it here. i just ran into four delegates from virginia. one was for rubio, two for bush, one had been for scott walker. they're all now for trump with a roll of the eyes, but they don't know him. they've never met him. i'm meeting people i've covered for 25 years in republican politics. how well do you know trump? never met him. that's never happened in the history of the party. but he's their nominee. i think you've seen over the course of the four days just acceptance of the fact that we have to come out of here strong. if not to help trump win, because some don't think he can, to save the house and the senate and to keep the brand of the party from suffering long term. >> the funny thing about it, the
odd thing, whenever you hear people talk about the administration of donald trump, the presidency of donald trump, it doesn't seem real even to the person saying it. have they realized or do they believe they're going to lose and they're going to make the best of it? what's the mentality? >> i'd say probably 50/50. 50% of them think he has a chance and they'll talk about an electoral college road, the certainty hillary clinton will be seen as unacceptable. 50% say they just don't see it. winning pennsylvania, winning florida, winning additional states they don't see. but they are the smarter ones, are attract ed to the notion of trump got the votes and trump is talking about things that strike a chord. for all his flaws and words. they know they can no longer be the party of big business and they've become the party of big business. donald trump is yanking them back from that. >> is he leading them to where they're going to be the next 20 years? >> if the lesson they draw if he loses is we need to reject everything trump was for, i don't think that will help them. he is talking about some things that are popular. some centrist, some populist.
>> the smart move is to pay attention to trump. >> and why he succeeded. >> back to you, rachel and brian. >> we want to bring into the conversation a prominent democrats, one of the most reck mizable recognizable because of his career in comedy, senator al franken. senator, it's great to see you. thanks for being with us. >> thanks for having me, rachel. >> we were talking about when we ebb inspect hillary clinton to be announcing her vice presidential nominee. our cynical take is if the republicans have a great night, we'll get the news of hillary clinton's nominee like maybe at midnight tonight. if the republicans have another sort of bad night at their convention, maybe she'll let that reverse bounce go on for a few days and we won't find out about it through the weekend. do you have any expectations therein? >> that's the kind of professional thinking you guys do. in that case i hope it takes
them a while to make the announcement. i know whoever it is -- i know all the different names that have been mentioned, and i'd be happy with any one of them. they're all great candidates. >> senator, i know you'll be speaking at the dnc in philly. what do you think the democratic party needs to accomplish with its convention both in general but also specifically given what you've seen from the republicans this week? >> i think our convention will be a very big contrast from this convention. this was a very ugly, has been thus far. i saw a draft of donald trump's speech. very negative, ugly portrait of ameri america, and i actually think we're going to counter with talking about, yes, what our problems are but how we're going to address them and this
candidate, donald trump, is engaue engaged in a lot of magical thinking. what this speech is about is really about demonizing hillary clinton, blaming her for the horrible state that our country is in, and he's going to step in and magically cure it. i think what we're going to see at the democratic convention is a real vision for how we are going it to make this an even greater country. >> senator, i was noting and for all the nontraditional controls we've seen on this convention, it is true a lot of copies of donald trump's draft speech are floating out there. you mentioned you're among those who have seen it. it is not a morning in america speech, if the notes we've seen hold. it's much more early to late evening in america and to your
earlier point is that something the democrats gathering, will they try to shift that sunniness considering your theme song is "happy days are here again," over to the democratic gathering? >> i think that we will talk about the reality of some of the problems that we have, but i think what we've seen here and what we're going to see tonight is exploitation of some terrible tragedies in dallas and baton rouge and in minnesota and in orlando and paint iing this dar distaupe yeah that's been caused by barack obama and hillary clinton not remembering at all what barack obama inherited when he came into office which was an economy that was melting down. 750,000 to 800,000 jobs a month being lost on the month that he took office. and i think what we're going to
talk about is the progress we've made during the two obama administrations, the 70-plus months of job growth, of straight job growth, but building on that and how we're going to raise the middle class, we believe in the democratic party that the economy grows from the middle out. they believe it comes from the top down. we believe that we all do better when we all do better. that's what paul wellstone said and we believe that's true. as you look at all the policies they are talking about, it still is the same stuff. it's tax cuts for those at the very top and that's going to somehow trickle down. here's the trust issue to me. here's the trust issue to me. i've known hillary clinton for 22 years. i trust that every day she will
do the work. as a senator i've been a little closer to seeing what the presidency is, and the presidency is about working every day to tackle these problems and being serious. and donald trump has demonstrated that he is incapable of that. that's why you have that interview with nato. that's -- i've done a number of uso shows, you know that, rachel. i've entertained u.s. troops. i've -- i've entertained troops that are fighting alongside nato countries, nato troops. we -- this alliance has been based on a premise we will come to each other's defense. it's not a choice. that's not -- a treaty isn't like one of donald trump's business deals. you can't choose when to go to court and when to break it and when not.
this alliance has worked for us since world war ii. this guy is incapable of doing the kind of work that a president needs to do day-to-day and certainly during this campaign is just winging it constantly and you see every day him making these mistakes. now i don't know what the outcome of tonight's speech is going to be. we'll see. >> senator al franken, democrat of minnesota who, from the likes of things brought along some of his closest friends to be in the crowd, the gallery behind him while speaking tonight. senator -- >> thanks, senator. >> thank you. thank you very much. >> exact ly on purpose. >> we watched a motorcade arrive. no clue who's motorcade that is but hopefully our camera inside the loading dock -- loading dock cam, as we affectionately call it -- will tell us who is
at the loading dock on our other camera, the motorcade belonged to mike pence of indiana arriving in the hall. by the way, a brief sidebar, the secret service aspect of life is fascinating when you think about it. bernie sanders' detail suddenly went away when he left the race. it had become a part of his life and now the governor of indiana has to get used to the upped sense of security around him, the lack of privacy, all things that come with it. david sanger and maggie were two writers of "the new york times" who did control a lot of the headlines last night into tonight. mr. sanger has been kind enough to join us following their "new york times" interview with donald trump and, david, did you know when it left the bat that his answer on nato was going to echo throughout the stadium? >> i suspected it would probably
have a pretty broad reach, brian. that's because when we talked to him last, which was back in march, he was already discussing pulling back from nato, pulling our troops back if other nato nations did not pay more. so what i wanted to it do in this interview was push him to the next step which is would you defend a country that was attacked by, say russia, the ones that are the most threatened, of course, in the baltics, or would you apply a means test of whether they've been contributing? and it turned out he said he would apply the test. it was a significant departure from, i think, republican orthodoxy going back it to the founding of nato in 1949. >> while some like mitch mcconnell rushed to correct the record today in his view, i heard a trump surrogate say
tonight it's because donald is from the business world that he thinks in terms of financials where everything is concerned, that this is a financial matter with him. can you characterize it either way? >> i think that trump supporter is on to something. when you talk to mr. trump about foreign policy issues, it's usually a pretty transactional conversation. in other words he's interested in what we get out of each relationship with each country. thus, if nafta is not a good deal for the united states, he's going to renegotiate it or pull out. if nato appears to be an uneven deal, one in which the u.s. is paying 72%, i think it is, of the nato budget, we're either going to renegotiate that or pull it out or pull out of it. and i think that's quite different than the way of people in the establishment
particularly in the foreign establishment. we have interests around the world. we have an interest in staying engaged around the world, an interest in setting up trip wires so other countries are hesitant to attack a nato member or attack japan or south korea. that, in and of itself, is part of the leadership role. i think he views it differently. he views it more as a development deal. >> david, i know that when you are writing down what a politician says, the most important thing is to elucidate that quote from them and get it right and put it out in the right context. i have to ask you to think about the way this is going to resonate. i know there are concerns today about whether or not donald trump is elected president having said what he said about nato and about russia just as a presidential nominee, having said what he said to you on the subject that itself may have an
impact emboldening srussia, giving russia a permission slip that if they want to be more aggressive, if they want to be more expansionist that the united states is shifting into a part of our own history, our own politics where they may essentially be allowed to do that. do you, as a reporter, sense that may be true? >> rachel, it may be and it predates mr. trump emerging as the candidate here tonight. there were concerns all through the obama administration, the red line debate whether president obama would follow through on his threat to take significant action against syria if it used chemical weapons, that the u.s. was pulling back some. i think you've seen vladimir putin push the envelope with the bomber runs going along the european coast, increased submarine activity. and i think in each one of those
he wants to see what the american reaction is. sib certificate another great example. a major cyber attack against ukraine that took out some of the electric power grid back in december and i think they were testing to see if there was a reaction. there wasn't much of one. when you have rhetoric like this it can have effects. i think you can argue mr. putin was testing before trump came along and he'll test after. >> david sang er of "the new yok times," author of this most recent interview with donald trump that had a phenomenal political impact. thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> toward the end of the transcript david and maggie asked the question what do you think people will take away from this convention? what are you hoping? donald trump answers, the fact that i'm really well liked. >> he also, you know, we were talking about optimism, the importance of an optimistic view, steve schmidt was mentioning this, the other thing
in this interview when sanger -- when these "new york times" reporters asked him whether or not the united states should intervene with turkey our nato ally to keep them from doing what they're doing right now, which is a very scary anti-democratic backlash against this apparent coup last week, try to restrain them in terms of civil liberties and civil rights, he said basically no because we're in no position to tell anybody what to do because we're in such terrible shape. in our country people are shooting at police officers. why are we going to tell any other country how to conduct itself? i have no doubt that is what mr. trump thinks. but for an american president take that point of view, we have no right to tell any other country what to do, is 180 degrees different than either party in a half century. >> that would be the death of exceptionalism. >> the death of exceptionalism and pulling back from the word. we like to think of the united
states as a beacon to the world and issues of human rights, respect for the rule of law, all the things that we think make this game so special, you know, to not talk about that and woul a huge departure. >> uncharted territory. >> i am told it is governor mary fallon who is speaking. briefly mentioned as having a national political future. tonight she gets her turn to make her case. >> who was leading sit-ins and successfully integrating schools across our state and winning the fight for respect and opportunity. so when i look back on my childhood, my america, i don't
see a perfect place. but we were united by a set of beliefs that no matter who you were or where you came from better days were ahead for america. today i'm afraid we're losing unity and optimism not just in towns like tecumseh but across this land. our country is divided. our people are afraid and our spirits are nearly broken, but we can't lose that hopelessness and have it become the new normal. america, we won't. i believe the american people are longing for the american dream where they can just get a fair shake in life and an opportunity to succeed.
we must make america one again. and it's no secret donald trump is bold, tenacious, courageous and he's an outspoken leader. and he knows how to create jobs and successful businesses. he has bold ideas and he speaks truth to power. he is a man who will get this country on the right track who believes in peace through strength and will protect america against radical islamic terrorists who seek to destroy our nation. >> governor mary fallin of oklahoma got her first dose of national press after the tornado ripped through moore, oklahoma, killing 24 people.
aren't because they disagree with donald trump being the nominee of the republican party that includes most note play our two former living republican presidents bush junior and senior. also the last two republican nominees for president, neither mitt romney nor john mccain, is in attendance in cleveland. but there is another very prominent nationally known household name republican who isn't in cleveland even though she has endorsed donald trump with some enthusiasm. "washington post" reporter robert costa with news on why sarah palin isn't there and where she is. robert, thanks for being with us. >> it's great to join you. governor palin was an early supporter of the trump campaign but she has never been a central surrogate for the campaign in the past few months. her rapport with trump has been fine on the campaign trail. according to my sources she's not seen as someone they need to have at this convention and so she's away from the festivities.
>> there was a strange explanation from trump himself when asked why sarah palin's name didn't appear on the list of speakers and when it eventually emerged she wasn't come to the convention at all, he said something to the effect of we love sarah but it's hard because she's so far away, meaning alaska is so physically far away from cleveland and that explained why she wasn't there. do we know what that's about? >> well, if you look back to governor palin's relationship with mr. trump, they were supposed to have activities and events after that, but they were rescheduled, canceled. palin went back to alaska. for donald trump a rapport with a friend, a campaign surrogate, is everything. based on my reporting, he just hasn't had that kind of bond with palin you would expect for such a grassroots star like herself. >> robert, from your sense of the crowd that has turned out for this convention, obvious ly convention delegates, people who
go to a convention, are not your average slice of the republican party. they're a very specific group. is that the kind of group that will be missing sarah palin? >> they may but this whole right-wing world of the republican party is being reshaped by donald trump. this is not a country club group of delegates here. they are aggrieved. talking to them on the floor about their jobs and how they feel frustrated with their economic standing. the excerpts that have been released, this is someone speaking to a country not just as an emblem of change but as someone who is going to really represent transformational populism, changing the way the country is run, railing against the elites. >> robert, before we let you go, anything on the genesis and makeup and constriction of tonight's speech that we need to know? >> yes, brian. steven miller, a longtime adviser to senator jeff sessions of alabama, he's the main speechwriter for tonight's address working with donald trump. together those two are not just writing an introduction to the country, they're, in essence,
rewriting the republican party. this is a speech that will like ly go after the iraq war, go after the legacy of george w. bush. this is a new statement from trump about the future of the gop, something that's really broken from its traditional conservative past. >> robert costa, national political reporter, "washington post." always a pleasure. thank you, robert. and down to the floor we go. kelly o'donnell is with the utah delegation. kelly? >> reporter: well, brian, we've been talking to delegates here who are trying to find themselves to a yes on donald trump. with me is amy windsor-newton, a mother of four and serves on the salt lake city council. tell me how you expect tonight to have an impact on whether or not you could really feel good about supporting donald trump? >> in utah trump has had a struggle with our population there and i think some of the rough around the edges and some of these comments he's made have really turned people off. i'm interested to see how he comes across tonight and if he is able to really speak to us as
far as what he's going to do as a republican but also that we're able to see kind of that softer side of him. i think we've been able to see that through his children. >> reporter: it's made a difference for you. >> it absolutely has. i think the choice of mike pence as the vice presidential candidate has been a great thing for us. >> reporter: and what did the choice of mike pence say to you about donald trump and the kind of leader he would be? >> i think it's helpful to have someone who has been involved in government, has a record, and also somebody who is a conservative. people can see that. mike pence is a good family man and that's what we are in utah. we love families. we're very pro-family. to see that has been helpful. >> reporter: did you say you will actually vote for trump, or is it a case you are still deciding if you'll cast the ballot that way? >> i believe the presidency is more than just about one person. it's about federal appointees, thousands of them, it's about the supreme court justice and we're going to have at least
one, maybe more supreme court justices. for me, that's a no-brainer. i'm going to vote republican. whether i'm willing to put a yard sign in my sign and encourage others to vote for trump, too, because of what he brings, that's what i'm still hoping to find out tonight. >> reporter: thank you for letting us mo what you're feeling. it's a work in progress for amy windsor-newton, member of the utah delegation. >> kelly o'donnell, thank you. >> an interesting window into the psychology of the delegate there. fascinating. >> we're watching another motorcade. presumably this would be the candidate entering into loading dock where our cameras will pick him up. and speaking of cameras, we're watching kelly o'donnell from that high shot remind us we should thank each and every one of them, camera, audio, transmission -- not like amco -- the people who do the transmission of the pictures and sound. it's a contact sport down on that convention floor. it's some of the toughest duty there is. there they are, all of them on headsets ready to go and run from state to state.
we have watched several trumps, various trumps come through the flr as their motorcades have arrived. >> peter thiel we showed to tom barrack. as best we can tell by our math those are billionaires number three and four to address the republican national convention which means by the time donald trump himself takes the stage tonight there will have been five different billionaires who will have addressed the rnc this week and that's it if you don't count all of the trump children and mrs. trump who may, arguably, also be billionaires themselves. if you count all the trumps as billionaires it will be ten billionaires who address the rnc this week which we're talking about showcasing diversity, the billionaire community is getting its day in the sun. >> don't let bernie sanders know it's happening. he would be very upset. >> it's remarkable. >> you're talking about real
money. hugh hewitt, is wait iing to ta to us. hugh, are you part of this nicolle wallace-led wave of thinking that started last night that has it that ted cruz is probably the best thing that ever happened to donald trump's convention? >> well, she was right about the energy level coming up. we'll have to wait until the convention ends to see whether he maintains it. at times there's been a little aspect of yosemite sam and wilee. coyote planning things. paul ryan get together and put it back together and everyone comes into the hall energized and ready for a good night. i don't think i can remember an actual speech that mattered as much as this one did, not just to the undecided voter but the republican party. donald trump has to seal the deal with people who might be wavering in not only energy level but their actual vote.
what he tells robert costa matters a great deal not just in the independent and maybe trump democrats but among regular republicans as well. >> your close personal friend al franken based on early reads we've had of the supporting notes to the speech, this is not a morning in america speech, it's not a shining city on a hill, it's a little bit of a dingier, darker place. are you okay with that? >> i'm not myself one of those republicans. i think things will be great for this country for a long time to come but there are urgent challenges. if donald trump talks about the challenges and if he performs as well as his three children have, he'll give a great speech. i always use the device every liberal really seems so sad, egypt, libya, syria, the reset button. if he hits hillary and says i'll turn it around he can get a home
run tonight. we'll see. >> what do you think the net effect will be of his comments in "the new york times" about nato which i note mitch mcconnell among others was quick to try to fix this morning. >> i believe in nato and every republican nominee and president since the war, since ike, have been to support nato. if donald trump wants to make a break within the party, he will do -- he'll double down on that. i think when you see leader mcconnell both doing what they do to reassure our allies and the internationalist wing that we're all in, that's very good. i don't think what donald trump said in "the new york times" has been accurately or fully vetted out yet. he can expand on that tonight. i hope he spends a lot of time assuring allies that the united states will be there for them if they're there for us. >> all right. transcript is online. hugh hewitt, thank you for
joining us as the bee gees said, you should be dancing. >> down to hallie jackson. party unity around donald trump is irrelevant because he was with donald trump right from the beginning, senator sessions with hallie jackson. >> reporter: senator jeff sessions, as you noted, one of the earliest supporters of donald trump. a close adviser to donald trump, of course, talking about party unity, senator. how do you think the party comes back from something like that or is able to get over something like that? >> it's really not big. a few people that really loved him and worked hard for him, he was hard to lose. he was the last one standing. the 16th one to be dispatched by donald trump. but, look, he didn't win. trump had a big victory, a huge delegate majority here. the most important thing to me is outside the hall we're seeing a real unity out there of
growing enthusiasm for trump and i think tonight i really think people are going to see him and like him and his strength is going to grow. >> reporter: i have to ask you about some of his comments to "the new york times" on nato obviously. you're a guy who knows his foreign policy. what do you make of that? how do you advise him on something like that? >> over 20 years nato members have not paid what they should. every secretary of defense since rumsfeld, gates, carter now, have criticized them. it's time for the europeans to get a message from a strong leader, if you want us to go to war to defend you, you ought to at least pay your 2% of the gdp towards your defense which they promised to do on their own and we spend 3.6% of our gdp on defense and they think they can call washington and we're going to defend them and they never pay their fair share. i think it's a