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shorts. >> you've got to dress up for this gig. up first this hour, praise for putin, forcing republicans to take the ultimate loyalty test. the republican ticket reupping its complement to the russian leader, saying he is stronger than president obama. in fact, donald trump now doing it in an interview airing on russian-state-sponsored media. hillary clinton hitting back, calling the comment insulting. she says it is scary and not the only attack in the campaign that is rapidly heating up. >> if -- look, we should have never gone into iraq, period. but once we went in -- >> we are facing a candidate with a long history of racial discrimination in his business. of. >> she believes in globalism. not americanism. >> i'm not going to sit up here and do the tit for tat on what donald said. >> everything is a game. it's like he's living in his own brit reality tv program!
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>> early absentee ballots now out in north carolina. five other states begin their early voting within the next two weeks. and for the race once predicted as a landslide, this one is increasingly looking like it's going to be one of the closest elections in presidential history. our political team is here. they are ready to go. we want to start with msnbc's alex seitz-wald, joining me here in the studio. thank you for being here. quickly, i want to talk about hillary clinton if we can. she feels there is an opportunity here. sse is trying to seize the advantage, as it were, after that commander-in-chief forum on the topic of national security. it's why she is bringing together this bipartisan team of national security. and foreign policy experts. talk about this strategy and how she sees an opening. >> this has always been her strong suit. former secretary of state, of course, a lot of experience here, especially against donald trump. it's been a way for her to show she can be commander-in-chief trying to scare people and
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saying you can't donald trump with nuclear weapons. today the big name is michael chertoff, second republican cabinet member to endorse her, bush's homeland security adviser and she is focusing on her positive mission, tearing down donald trump in the past few months. but really trying to emphasize the strong contrast with her and ask people, can you trust donald trump to be the president? >> she used tough language, saying this is simply scary, especially his comments about vladimir putin. we have mentioned those comments by donald trump, praising vladimir putin. governor mike pence taking a hard line stance, doubling down on donald trump's comments. i want to play those right now. this is from the vp candidate, mike pence. >> i think it's inarguable that vladimir putin has been a stronger leader in his country than barack obama has been in this country. and that's going to change the day that donald trump becomes president of the united states of america.
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>> that was governor mike pence, just within the last 24 hours. nbc's jacob rascon right now in pensacola, florida. jacob, within the last day, day-and-a-half, we have had donald trump in effect praise vladimir putin, saying he is a better leader in his country than barack obama is in this one. and then we had mike pence, often in the position of trying to buffer some of the more extreme or controversial comments, basically saying i'm with this guy. i agree entirely. what is the thinking on this? it's hard to find the trump adviser who really can defend this strategy. >> reporter: the strategy at the beginning of the campaign seemed to be to say that our leaders right now are weak and i am a strong candidate. and part of the reason they're weak is because they let people like putin walk all over them. trump has taking a big step farther. and, of course, paul ryan and marco rubio and other republican leaders forced to distance themselves from trump. and also in our latest poll, talking about putin, only 8% -- 8% of the average voter out
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there has a positive view of trump. so now the campaign is trying to clean it up, kellyanne conway, campaign manager, saying what they really mean is that they think that they can -- that trump should be able and we should be able to work with putin to defeat isis. now, that ii an issue that voters can get behind. an example i'll give is the voters behind me here at the trump rally, set to begin later tonight in florida. that's what they take away from it. they shy away from praising putin and say, no, we believe that we should be able to work with putin to defeat isis. that's what they want to take out of it. that's where i think the campaign wants to go with this, because that's an issue voters can get behind. >> as you say, one of the least popular, as it were, sort of world figures, vladimir putin, our may poll showed, as you said, 8% had a positive feeling about him. 59% at the time had a negative feeling, worth noting at that time about 58% also said they had a negative feeling about donald trump. what more are we learning,
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specifically, speaking about trump, about what happened inside those classified, those intelligence briefings given to trump and his advisers? we know he has now had two of them. >> reporter: sources with knowledge of that intel briefing were talking to nbc, telling us that general flynn repeatedly interrupted the briefer. so now chris christie and michael flynn are coming back. chris christie put out a statement, in fact that reads the comments and actions attributed to me in this story about general flynn are categorically untrue. i did not make the statements alleged, nor did i touch general flynn's arm for any reason during the brief. the report is a complete work of fiction. and general flynn also commented, calling the report total bs. peter? >> jacob rascon on the road. there is new polling today that shows the race between trump and hillary clinton is tightening. most notely in several key battleground states. senior political editor, mm, is here with some of these latest
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numbers. and mark, we don't want to oversell this, right? there ask still a lot of advantages we see and our members for hillary clinton right now. but what matters, at least we're learning today in some of the critical battle grounds, trump, in effect would have to sweep. he's certainly medication it a much tighter race. >> that's the reality from the polls in quinnipiac. they do end up showing that donald trump has at least been able to improve his situation in the battleground states. let's go through the map. in florida, you end up having a tied race. this, again, is all important in florida. many polls, particularly after the presidential conventions end up showing hillary clinton with a small or even kind of mid-sized lead in florida. according to quinnipiac, a tied race. let's go into all-important ohio. where donald trump actually has a slim lead in that state. again, a reversal from most polls that end up having hillary clinton with the advantage, you know, up until the last week or so. then let's get into the state of pennsylvania. where you end up having hillary
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clinton with a five-point lead there. her lead, even though down in this poll, has been very durable and almost all the surveys that we have seen so far. and donald trump has been unable to really crack that keystone state. and then finally, in north carolina, we have hillary clinton up four points. so what does this all mean? let's take all of the polls in perspective. you have trump up four points in ohio, hillary clinton up five in pennsylvania. she's up four in north carolina. and a tied race in florida. but donald trump's path to the white house and 270 electoral votes. if you take virginia off the table, you take colorado off the table where hillary clinton has had very big leads, donald trump has to win all of them. and so right now, he is tied in one, trailing in two, and up in the other. he needs to be leading in all four and win all four to be able to get to the presidency. so the question is, this is a high watermark for donald trump. or is this just some of the beginning of a poll surge. we have to wait and see for
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other polls to come out. >> quick follow up yesterday for "nbc nightly news," i was covering the gary johnson gaffe story, need 15% to be allowed on the debate stage. now about 17 days away. and people were asking over the course of the evening, saying, so if gary johnson's numbers tank, who does that benefit? or if they grow, who does that benefit? any sense what happens when he is or is not as big of a factor? >> yeah, peter. most of the polling i've seen, and when you look down to the numbers, that he's actually taking more away from hillary clinton, particularly among younger voters, ages 18 to 34. she does a little better in the two-way donald trump versus hillary clinton match-ups than in the four-way races. and so, yes, i do think that if somehow gary johnson is on stage, that ends up probably helping donald trump at the end of the day. >> fooij got the name recognition but not under the circumstances he would have desired. mark murray helping us out today. thanks very much. other breaking news as we speak about national security and foreign policy. this comes to us, of course,
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from north korea. overnight, north korea conducted its largest nuclear test ever, caing what is a strg 5.3 magnitude earthquake in the region. the white house, world leaders, all condemning this latest provocation. the white house, in fact, putting out a statement, just a matter of moments ago. we've put it together to put on the screen. the president reiterated the unbreakable u.s. commitment to the security of our allies in asia and around the world. this from press secretary josh earnest. the president indicated he would continue to consult our allies and partners in the days ahead to ensure provocative actions from north korea are met with serious consequences. nbc's chief global correspondent, bill neely, following these latest developments from our bureau in it london. bill, i know you have been to north korea, you were there not long i believe after the most recent test before this one. how do we know about this latest test, and what is the real concern about its growing size or potential? >> reporter: yeah, good morning,
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peter. i was in north korea a few months ago, as you say, after the last nuclear test. they were already anticipating this one then. this one was powerful. it was provocative. and you know, it was meant to be both. north korea's fifth largest nuclear test. kim jong-un moving ever closer, it seems to a weapon that could one day threaten the u.s. announced proudly on state television, the strongest ever nuclear test. watched with pride in its capital, but with deep concern in south korea and around the world. it was powerful enough to cause an earthquake measuring 5.3. south korea's president called it an act of fanatic recklessness. but this test was aimed at projecting power. the timing deliberate. today as north korea's july 4th, the anniversary of the founding of the state. its leaders meeting and boasting
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that this test proves they can mount a nuclear warhead on a medium-range missile. kim jong-un has ordered an increase in tests this year. the biggest concern, that he's edging towards a nuclear missile capable of reaching america's west coast. the u.s. joined russia today in condemning the test. president obama briefed on air force one, said the world had to ensure provocative actions are met with serious consequences. but the question, peter, is how? what on earth can the world do? no state on earth is more sanctioned than north korea. but all those tougher sanctions, the diplomatic pressure, the threats, have no effect whatsoever in preventing this test. so it is a real problem for the international community, peter, which in this case really does mean the u.s., russia, china, japan and europe, all of them, condemning this test. peter?
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>> bill neely reporting from london for us. bill, thanks so much. on this same topic, we're joined by the former ambassador of iraq, afghanistan, kuwait, lebanon, ryan crocker. ambassador crocker, i appreciate you talking to us on this day. thank you. >> thank you for having me, peter. >> what can american and world leaders do, sanctions, diplomacy, obviously those not successfully curbed north korea's nuclear ambitions. what can the world community do at a time like this? >> your previous segment ther e, i think, touches on it. this has got to take collective consultation and collective action. it very much has to involve china. i think all too often, we have seen this as how can china help us with our north korea problem. it's really a case of how can we help them with their north korea problem. they're right on the border. >> on this topic, donald trump recently said, you know, it's
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china's problem. they can figure it out. does it work like that? >> no. it's a global problem. obviously. we're talking today about the nuclear test. but what really, i think, is alarming is the progress they're starting to make on their ballist ballist ballistic mississippi i wills. it's the ability to deliver it. and we have got to think very hard how we're going to deal with it. >> the "washington post" this morning, within the last 45 minutes, i'm just reading, is reporting that when trump flirted with a presidential campaign back in 2000, he proposed bombing north korea. is that a potential solution, bombing north korea a situation that could exacerbate or successfully conclude the crisis with the world community in north korea? >> i do not see that as a viable
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option, frankly. any more than it would have been in iran. you're not going to eliminate their nuclear program or their ballistic miserable program with an air strike or two air strikes or three air strikes. you would simply send us into very dangerously uncharted water. so whatever the answer is, i don't think that's it. >> donald trump is in recent days talked about improving relations with the kremlin. it's become increasingly a centerpiece of his campaign. he's been complimentary in his comments about vladimir putin. his vp, running mate, basically saying just the same within the last day or so. i want to get a sense from you. what is wrong with that idea of diplomacy overdestruction as trump said in one of his recent speeches of trying to build a better relationship to work side by side with russia? why is that unreasonable? >> on the face of it, it's not unreasonable.
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president obama tried the same thing. problem is, it didn't work. you have a very assertive russia right now. in the ukraine, in eastern europe, especially in syria. they're kind of on a roll, at least as they see it. so to simply start talking nice to them, that's going to sound in their ears like appeasement. it's likely to make an already bad situation worse. diplomacy is great. but diplomacy is about a lot more than talking nice. i would like to see us do some things, particularly in syria. to change their calculus about how much of a roll they're on. then maybe diplomacy would work. it is not going to work right now. >> as we talk about diplomacy and ultimately the potential use of force in our commander-in-chief forum, hillary clinton vowed that the the u.s. will not put troops on the ground in iraq and syria, if she is to become president. you have a vast knowledge of that region. is that a statement that could come back to haunt her or perhaps more importantly, is
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that a statement that any potentially commander-in-chief can safely say? >> in diplomacy, and presumably in politics, always keep your options open. the irony here, of course, is we already have troops in iraq and in syria. almost 5,000 in iraq, some hundreds in syria. so they're already there. but again, you don't take things off the table if you don't need to. >> ambassador ryan crocker, always a pleasure to speak with you. thank you very much for your time today. >> thank you, peter. so far, donald trump's running mate is the lone republican offering a full-throated defense of his claim that putin is a better leader than our president, president obama. so where do the rest of the republican leaders stand? utah republican and house oversight and reform chairman, jason chaffetz, will join us live next. manufacturing...
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donald trump giving high marks to russian president, vladimir putin. he's now taking it a little bit further by appearing on russian state sponsored television. rt, it's called. as you've heard, the u.s. intelligence community strongly suggests the kremlin is behind the recent hack of the dnc, but last night, trump refused to go along with that conclusion. >> putin recently said the hacking of the democratic national committee's e-mails was a public service. do you agree? >> have i don't have any opinion it. i don't know anything about it. i'm not sure. you tell me who hacked. >> with me now from capitol hill is utah republican congressman, jason chaffetz. of course, the chairman of the house committee on oversight and government reform. congressman chaffetz, thanks for your time. i appreciate it.
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>> sure. thanks for having me. >> just out of the gates, do you agree with donald trump that vladimir putin is a stronger and more effective leader than president obama? >> i think they're two totally different systems. one is essentially a dictator makes the equation very different than the way we operate with a congress and judicial branch. i would not categorize it like that. >> so it's a simple question. do you agree or disagree with donald trump? >> i disagree with him on that. >> so the bottom line is, are you comfortable with the republican nominee, the man you endorsed within the last two months, sort of publicly praising vladimir putin as hillary clinton suggested yesterday, ronald reagan. can you imagine past republican presidents, what they would think if they heard something similar? what do you think, just broadly speaking in terms of messaging about this line reinforced by mike pence yesterday? >> no. look, i don't think he was -- i categorize it differently. i think he's demonstrating, and articulating that barack obama has been weak. part of the reason that vladimir putin has been on the march is because you have a very weak
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barack obama in terms of drawing the red line in syria. i don't think the world believes the president is going to take action. and so consequently, you've got china on the move, you've got russia on the move, and this has given the world less safety and security. i don't think -- i think donald trump would actually be much more definitive and he would actually do what he says he's going to do that. i haven't seen that with barack obama. >> some republicans fear he might do what he says he's going to do, which is, in fact, cozy up to vladimir putin and have a closer relationship. lindsey graham, paul ryan asked about all of this on thursday. here's some of what they said. >> i think this is the biggest miscalculation since people thought hitler was a good guy. >> i'm not going to sit up here and do the tit for tat on what donald said last night or the night before and hillary versus donald. that is not my job and i'm not going to be the election year pundit. >> are you still comfortable voting for him to be commander-in-chief? >> i'll leave it at that.
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>> so what do you make of the situation that down ballot republicans have been put in right now where they are sort of stuck as you are on this occasion, answering this question that donald trump continues to hammer home? >> well, i don't expect to -- endorse the candidate. and i think donald trump will be by far a much better president than hillary clinton. that's for sure. doesn't mean that i agree with every single comment that he makes or everything that's uttered from his lips. i was a huge supporter of mitt romney. i didn't agree with everything mitt romney said, either. >> but you say this is on a significant issue in terms of foreign policy. mitt romney, you just addressed. russia was our biggest geopolitical foe. and suggesting russia is going to be an ally in this effort. >> no, no, no. that is not what he said. you're adding words, and you're extrapolating -- >> now he's saying -- >> you just said that and it's wrong. >> okay. let's make it clear. >> i read the script. i read what donald trump said. >> he suggested we would work with russia going forward to
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better resolve situations like the crisis in syria. >> where we do have common ground, of course we want to bring as many people together to fight the enemy. in this case, isis. but we've got to have a president who is definitive in making sure that -- we put the united states first and i have no doubt that donald trump would do that. >> let me ask you about some news just made within the last several hours. of course, that's north korea, where the government claims they have tested their most powerful weapon today. this is what kellyanne conway this morning said about donald trump's response to that. >> the generals i hear and the national security experts that i hear talk about nuclear capability being nothing short of devastating. >> if they had the capacity -- >> he would make sure they would never use it. >> how? >> he's not going to reveal all of his plans. he's made that very clear and maybe somebody can ask him. >> are you satisfied? is that something you're comfortable with? i know there is this secret plan and now he said in the first 30 days he would meet with generals to get their plan versus isis.
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but again now on the topic of north korea, donald trump is saying his campaign manager is saying that he's not going to reveal all his plans. is that satisfactory? to the american voters -- do republicans deserve more? >> yes. what was fundamentally wrong is what hillary clinton did. when she said there would be no troops on the ground in syria and iraq. there already are troops. so she's actually going to withdraw from the region? that's what should be scrutinized. what donald trump is saying is the right thing. a president should keep every option on the table. that's what ambassador crocker just said on your program. you work closely with the generals. you keep all of the options on the table. >> but he says he's not going to reveal his plans. >> when you have to go in, you have to go in to protect the united states. >> a lot of americans are left wondering exactly what his proposals would be in terms of handling, the way we would conduct ourselves in the world community, and 2000 when he was considering can running for president, he said that he would be open to bombing north korea. is that an option that you're comfortable with, the ambassador and ambassador ryan crocker on
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preceding you said that was not something he felt would be a reasonable solution. >> it's not a reasonable solution as option number one but you keep it on the table. that's exactly what ambassador crocker said as well. you keep all of the options on the table. i went and visited -- paris -- >> we should be fair. >> yeah, i went and visited with admiral harris, in charge of pacific command, who hourly is watching the situation in north korea. and it is a very dangerous situation and you need a commander-in-chief, just as donald trump said, to be able to take all the options to protect the united states of america. and if we have to go in, i hope we never do -- i hope diplomacy wins the day. but if it doesn't, you need the might of the united states military to take out that threat, protect the world and protect the united states. >> there's an editorial this morning, congressman, in the "washington st" that says the e-mail story is out of control and obviously you and many top republican colleagues on the hill are saying investigations
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into hillary clinton will not stop if she is elected president. do you think that on the e-mail story that we know enough to know that she is a national security threat, or do you think more investigationssare needed to look into this yet further? >> i still want to see the files. i think the unclassified reports that are out there should be out in the public. right now the fbi is hand-picked a few of the unclassified material. >> the fbi found no evidence of criminal wrongdoing. >> you put up the "washington post" editorial. in fairness, look at the "denver post" editorial. >> which you tweeted about today and i read, as well, correct. >> you should look at that as well if you want a balance. we don't have all of the facts yet. we have two important hearings. we have a duty and obligation. remember, the fbi director said he never looked -- never looked at the testimony that hillary clinton gave under oath in front of congress. and when congress issues a subpoena, puts out a preservation order, there is a duty and responsibility to protect that.
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the fbi didn't even look at that. so, of course, we're going to dive into that. hillary clinton picked this time line. the inspector general gave the criminal referral, not me. these are federal records, some so classified, i can't even read them. and they're out there in the open. we've got to protect this country. >> congressman jason chaffetz, always a privilege to speak with you. thank you. moments on capitol hill, house speaker paul ryan, and nancy pelosi will lead a ceremony to mark the 15th anniversary of the september 11th attacks. we will take you there live after a short break. continuous improvement. come triumph, or trial, tennis legend serena williams moves forward, and with the chase mobile® app we're on the same path, offering innovative, and convenient ways to bank.
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commemorating 15 years since the 9/11 attacks. that to be taking place. that anniversary this weekend. as soon as they begin speaking, we will take you there live. of course, there are going to be words of remembrance. there should be a prayer, as well. and then there will be the singing of "god bless america" on this day. of course, this is a day where america will pause briefly to commemorate the attacks, even as the fierce debate over national security and foreign policy continues in this country. there in the front row you can see -- i think this is representative mccarthy, paul ryan and nancy pelosi standing side by side. a rare moment of partisanship and unity on an issue that did not discriminate in the lives of americans it took. here is paul ryan. >> standing here, i cannot help
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think of my own children and all the children born in this country after 9/11. do they fully understand what happened that day? will they ever? can they? they can watch the old footage. they can see the clips of the towers falling. they can hear the great roar as a landmark comes crashing down and with it, an era. can they actually feel it? i've had so many conversations with my own kids about this. about the shock, the terror, the outrage. can they feel the sense of loss and bereavement at losing 3,000 americans in a single morning? i don't think they can. but that makes it our generation's burden.
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we lived through that terrible day, and we will never forget that terrible day. today, though, we are not here to relive that tragedy. we are here to remember it and to honor its memory. none of us would ever choose to go through that day again. but all of us must choose what it is we take away from it. i think of the firefighters. the people who went rushing into danger when the whole world was running away from it. i remember you couldn't get a flight just driving home. i remember all those flags appearing. on overpasses throughout all of this country. as if these flags suddenly appeared to bind up the nation's wounds. these are the stories that we can pass on.
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we can turn our burden of grief to a gift of grace. because our children may not fully understand the horror of it all. but they can admire the heroism. that is how all of them and all of us can mark this anniversary. we can tell the stories. we need to tell the stories. we need to pray for the fallen. and in this small but meaningful way, we can begin to understand the pain and the promise of this great nation. >> 15 years ago, we suffered a tragedy that we could not have ever imagined. and witnessed heroism that we will never forget. every september 11th, for the past 15 years, americans have
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bowed their heads to find comfort in faith. even as we are so rocked by disbelief at the tragedy of that day. as we humbly visit the sacred ground of 9/11 this year, we continue to more develarvel at heroism of our first responders and the families who turned their grief into action to make america safer. because of them, 9/11 does not belong to fear, it belongs to courage. it belongs to compassion. it belongs to the first responders and those who rushed into the smoke and up the stairs to the passengers who charged up the aisle, to the men and women who stayed behind in the stricken buildings to help strangers to safety. because of them, out of the ashes of the fallen world trade center, the crushed concrete of the pentagon and the burning field in pennsylvania, americans rose united. as we salute all of those who
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died on 9/11, we must also salute those who have lost their lives in the years since. we must remember the ongoing struggles of the thousands of heroes who years later are stalked by devastating illnesses from their exposure to ground zero. but some accounts, 10 to 15 cancer diagnoses per week. 15 years later. we must treat all of them and those who will come after as illnesses in our own families. we must continue to meet our commitment to the held and get compensation needs of our heroes and their loved ones. we will remember, and our prayers, comfort and appreciation must exist for as long as our country shall exist. this is the legacy of 9/11 that we must pass down through the generations. the heroism and the resilience that are the soul of our nation. let the memory of our fallen
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heroes be a blessing to their beloved and to our nation. let their sacrifice continue to deepen our dedication to justice and to freedom. may god bless the fallen men and women of 9/11 and their families and may god continue to bless the united states of america. let us pray. god of heaven and earth, we give you thanks for giving us another day. today we remember a day begun in terror and violence and ended in here owic effort and courage. give peace and healing to those who mourn the loss of their loved ones still.
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we thank you again for the almost universal international response to a great american tragedy. all your children of good will % could see the horrors of actions by men who would presume to act in your name, causing so much death and destruction. may your spirit of peace and justice continue to fill the hearts of people of all faiths, graces and nations. be present with us this day, as we gather again on our capitol steps. bli bless the men and women who serve this great nation in the house of representatives. may they be confident in the knowledge that all americans stand behind them in their common effort to forge legislation that will reflect the resilient greatness of our nation. may all that is done this day
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and in the many days to come be for your greater honor and glory, amen. >> amen. at this time, i would like to invite everyone to participate in a moment of silence. thank you. now i would like to invite everyone to join us in it singing "god bless america" with our marine band. ♪ ♪ god bless america land that i love ♪
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international sanctions against north korea. but china provides an economic lifeline to north korea. and really, we're going to have to press upon china the need to cut off that lifeline, as long as north korea continues to flout the international community. >> what more can we do on that issue? this is obviously the fifth time and now appears to be a stronger test than in the past, beyond pushing china, we witnessed president obama coming back from a trip that i think we could agree had mixed results in terms of the reception from some of those in asian. how do we better advance this effort? >> you know, peter, i think there's really only one area of real leverage we have with china on this. and that is we're going to have to impress upon china that unless it takes action, can deter north koreans' provocations, we're going to have to intensify our military presence in the south china sea, in the region. we're going to have to expand on our missile defense in the region to protect ourselves and
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our allies. these are all steps china does not want to see. and i think it's really the only leverage we have with china. if they understand, it's going to mean that america doubles down on our increase in our military investment in the area, because we need to protect ourselves. that may, and, be again, it may -- stimulate china to do what it -pshould in terms of sanctionin north korean behavior. >> of course, again, reminding our audience, you're a member of the house intelligence committee, which is why i wanted to ask you about some of donald trump's most recent comments. he was asked about the u.s. intelligence investigations into the russian hacks during an interview that took place with larry king that actually later on russian-sponsored television. here's some of what he said. >> u.s. intelligence and law enforcement agencies reportedly investigating whether russia wanted to disrupt the 2016 election. what do you make of that? >> i don't know. i've been hearing about it. i've been reading about it.
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i think it's probably unlikely. i think maybe the democrats are putting that out. who knows? >> he said it's probably unlikely that russia was behind recent cyber intrusions. notably he said it on russian television at the time. obviously, american intelligence has a different opinion of this. you're in these conversations. you talk -- you meet frequently with members of the intelligence community. how important is this issue, and how important is it that americans recognize the competing views as how the u.s. should deal with russia going forward? >> it's enormously important. and it's just staggering to me that first you have yesterday donald trump saying that the russian president, president of a country that has invaded its neighbors, that's endangered in malignant action around the world that is a better leader than the american president. then more recently, for donald trump to go on russian tv, the propaganda arm of the kremlin
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and say he doesn't think there is anything to this allegation of russian hacking, american political institutions when he knows better, and you only have to look at the open sources at these very credible security firms have said in their analysis to trace these hacks back to russia. it is beyond irresponsible. it is playing directly into the kremlin's hand. it is providing class a propaganda for putin. and it's just staggering this is coming out of the gop nominee. it ought to be utterly disqualifying. >> congress man schiff, we appreciate your time. we should make clear that a campaign spokesperson says that donald trump and the campaign that thought he would be speaking to larry king for a podcast, not for russian television. nonetheless, that's where that interview aired. congressman schiff, thank you. coming up, rudy guiliani playing hard ball. here how chris matthews responds when the former new york city mayor when he says trump walked
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back now live on msnbc, time is ticking away on the political calendar. early voting in some states starts two weeks from today. the first debate, believe it or not, less than three weeks away. just 17 days away. donald trump coming into that debate with a narrowing gap in several crucial swing states. but how was recent comments on vladimir putin against u.s. foreign policy play against the former secretary of state. with me now is msnbc political analyst and host of the "hugh hewitt show". no time to talk cleveland browns today. i wish you luck against the
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eagles this weekend. let me talk about another more challenging question for you. it's the topic of donald trump. do you think the russian president is a better leader than president obama? >> putin is very evil. he is also very aggressively advancing russia's interests in syria. in iran and across the middle ea east. he is eating the united states' lunch repeatedly. >> why doesn't trump say that? >> i wish he would. i think he ought to begin every statement about russia by saying putin is an evil man and they are eating our lunch because of american appeasement under hillary clinton and barack obama. ever since the russian reset button, he has been on the march. and crime i can't and ukraine putting pressure on our baltic allies and to hear adam schiff announce that we need to increase our military presence in the south china sea, when schiff and president obama and hillary clinton support sequestration. donald trump called for the end of sequestration two days ago.
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hillary clinton has not. >> two months ago. >> i do not believe that she has, but i hope she has and i hope she details as trump did a rebuild of the american navy to 350 ships. i hope she calls for the reinitiation of the marine corps up to 200,000 people, more brigades at army. everything that trump laid out. i don't like to see donald trump on russian tv and i heard the disclaimer they did not know. >> they say they did not know, but ai presidential campaign should know. >> they should, absolutely. so that's why when hillary clinton said yesterday on israeli tv -- they both have to get better. if this becomes a national security election, donald trump will win, because hillary clinton and barack obama lost egypt to the muslim brotherhood for a while. they turned libya into an isis percolator of terrorism. >> isn't that -- the message you
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deliver, hugh, seems like a pretty easily understandable one. concise. why doesn't donald trump say that and not say, hey, i'm going to work more closely with vladimir putin or if he says nice things about me i'll say nice things about him and we can accomplish some things together? why is that an effective strategy? >> i think he's got to get sharper. hillary clinton sounds better than donald trump. but she performs far worse than he does in every aspect of her life. i look at her record in national security. not her rhetoric. and she -- we have a syrian nightmare on our hands. we have a libyan nightmare on our hands. china in the south china sea taking over artificial islands. we have russia in ukraine. i hope trump learns how to deliver these messages better in the next two months. he's getting better, but he ought to begin every phrase about putin as he's very competent in asserting russian power in the middle east, but he's an evil man. he kills journalists. >> and americans face a decision between what they believe to be two significantly flawed candidates. hugh, i say thanks, i appreciate your time.
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that's going to wrap-up this hour of "msnbc live." i'm peter alexander. my friend, tamron hall, picking up coverage right now. inde >> indeed i am. thanks friend. republican loyalty to donald trump. now you have vice presidential nominee, mike pence, as well as donald trump not backing down on praising russian president, vladimir putin. trump insisting that putin is a stronger leader than president obama. now republican leaders are on the spot again. will they tear away from their nominee. and happening today, hillary clinton holds a meeting with top foreign policy and national security experts. this as clinton gains the support of more generals and admirals following nbc's commander-in-chief forum. but new polls show her lead is shrinking in some key states.

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