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and we should all let donald trump know in no uncertain ways. >> george takei gets tonight's last word. thank you, george. msnbc's live coverage continues now into the 11th hour with brian williams. that's next. begins into the 11th hour with brian williams next. on sunday, mitt romney who once called trump a phony and a fraud will meet with the president-elect president-elect. on the agenda, a big job opening, secretary of state. one job offer has reportedly been made. retired army general mike flynn for national security advisor. that pick has already created controversy "the 11th hour" begins now. good evening from our headquarters in new york. we begin tonight with reports from inside trump tower that mitt romney is under consideration for secretary of
state. he is due to meet with the president-elect at trump tow they are weekend. the associated press is reporting tonight that trump has offered the national security advisor job to general mike flynn, retired lieutenant general, u.s. army. the visitors continue to come in and out of trump tower all day today, though not all of them through the public lobby. some, like florida governor rick scott and south carolina's governor nikki haley came and went by private elevator directly to the penthouse residence. one big name has pulled himself out of contention -- former house speaker newt gingrich tells nbc news he will not be a part of a trump cabinet. but about mitt romney. while he is just the latest name being floated out as a potential for the job of secretary of state, just the mention of it today was a stunner considering the history of these two men -- romney and trump. >> mitt is tough, he's smart, he's sharp, he's not going to
allow bad things to continue to happen to this country that we all love. >> donald trump has shown an extraordinary ability to understand how our economy works, to create jobs for the american people. >> i am officially running -- [ cheers and applause ] -- for president of the united states. and we are going to make our country great again. >> think of donald trump's personal qualities. the bullying, the greed, the showing off, the misogyny, the absurd third grade theatrics. donald trump is a phony, a fraud. his promises are as worthless as a degree from trump university. >> i backed mitt romney, i backed him. you can see how loyal he "mitt,o
your knees, he would have dropped to his knees. he's begging. he choked, you know what a choke artist is? >> nice to see everybody getting along. let's talk about this development with our panel tonight. our political correspondent kasie hunt is here with us in the studio in new york. our political analyst robert costa is with us tonight from d.c., national political reporter for the "washington post." and we welcome katie packer, a gop stratist wegist campaign ma on mitt romney's 2012 campaign, she formed a never trump pack and worked for 43. katie, you're the new guest around here, i would like to begin with you, your reaction when you heard the name of your old boss, to the end, we should say, a patriot and loyal republican, in re this opening for secretary of state. >> i wasn't surprised that donald trump would reach out to mitt romney.
he's a smart guy, he's somebody that has a lot of very loyal followers in this country. he's somebody that knows a lot about world affairs. he was right about an awful lot of things, whether it was the potential for the rise of something like isis, whether it was russia, whether it was sy a syria. he's been right about a lot of things. mitt romney is certainly the kind of guy that would meet with the president-elect. i wouldn't make any assumptions about there being a big offer or the acceptance of an offer. mitt romney is somebody that believes in america and, of course, would accept the offer to sit down and have a conversation with the president-elect. i wasn't surprised at all. >> robert costa, we have seen a system of floats. a name is floated sometimes later in the day, it's kind of batted around and rescinded. we have heard giuliani's name floated for secretary of state. we've heard governor haley's name floated for secretary of state. this is the third in three days. is there something else going on
here? >> this is how trump has been throughout his career. he loves to float things through the media to see how they play, to gauge reaction, to whisper something out there and to see how it plays and with romney and governor haley you see romney making an overture to the republican establishment. even if he doesn't pick him, he's trying to say they were under consideration. >> kasie hunt here with us in new york. what do you make of this news today? >> i think mitt romney considers himself above all a patriot and i think if donald trump were to put this offer on the table in a real way i can't imagine that there's a universe in which the romneys -- mitt romney but also his family, he makes these kinds of decisions with his family, his wife ann and five sons, i can't imagine that he wouldn't make serious consideration of it.
for many republicans, there's a discussion about the country and if donald trump will be president for four years the only way for them to establish the things they were trying to accomplish running against donald trump may be the join him. >> one point of correction here, i'm told this meeting may not be at trump tow they are weekend. there's talk trump may go to his new jersey property, easing the burden on the city of new york which has yet to come to grips with protecting trump tower and it is a mess as shopping season starts to get under way. katie packer, isn't the larger message here that if mitt romney can come home like a "good republican" that others can do it and all these floats have had an actual effect on the normalization of trump.
and don't forget steve bannon. >> i think there's a sense he's trying to bring people together and if mitt romney can be on board almost anybody can. but i couldn't read too much into this right now. it's just a conversation and donald trump is somebody that's known to reward loyalty. it's hard to imagine that a huge job like that wouldn't go to somebody that was intensely loyal and on board if they can pass through vetting and pass through confirmation. one thing i will say about mitt romney, he's a safe bet to get confirmed. >> that's true. i don't think senate confirmation would be all that difficult, kasie hunt, there's another story tonight and this gets dicey, donald trump met with his first foreign leader since being president-elect and that was japanese prime minister shinzo abe. they met with donald trump's
daughter ivanka, assault and battery brought an aid. we can't show you the meeting because the press covering the president is elect wasn't allowed in or invited in. when people hear this and think it's spilled milk we remind folks that the traveling press pool is how we knew about dallas, 1963, how we knew about the shooting of ronald reagan at the washington hilton, how we knew president bush's reaction to 9/11. what's going to happen here? >> well, the press -- it's tricky. the picture provided by by a leader where the press is not allowed falls into the category of propaganda. i think ivanka's presence in the meeting is something we potentially are going to be talking about for a while, not necessarily just her but her siblings and the way we are discussing these nepotism rules and how they play into a trump
administration. it's very clear there's not much separation going on. . this is one thing on capitol hill for the last week, republicans are having trouble answering questions about whether they think that this is appropriate or not. because i think most of them came up in a world where it wasn't appropriate to give a job to your child or your spouse our your spouses brother. hillary clinton and her family took all kinds of heat for various connections to the rodham family for example so it will come under intense scrutiny. >> robert a, two questions for you. to the president-elect conducting business, is he is on the clock, he is working for the american people and he's using house money to do it. number two the presence of
ivanka trump. we know this because they tried to handout a picture rather than have it covered -- have news media take pictures of it. so take on those two points, please. we're dealing with a total outsider. he has always been press friendly in the sense of exposure but quite press shy when it comes to 24/7 scrutiny. this is a new reality. he seems uncomfortable with the press corps. with the family, it's not surprising for his entire professional life and even in his childhood trump has been a family organization. he's had his family at his side, includi including son-in-law jared kushner. >> katie packer, talk about what
happens when a candidate in the primaries goes to that intense, intense constant press coverage. >> it's a different way to live. there were issues with mitt romney when he was in the general election and the traveling press corps came to church with him one day which all of us on the team thought was over the top and a bit over the boundaries so you have some sympathy for these people that also have lives to live but an official meeting with a foreign leader is something that is hard to justify. >> kasie hunt copped to being one of the nosey people. >> i was the first one and i went by myself. >> i wasn't going to mention it, kasie. >> i know you're talking about me. when i was a junior reporter i worked for the associated press and what i did every week was go to church with george w. bush and his wife laura.
they went to a church across the street from the white house but they took us with them because the reality was he was the president of the united states of america and if something happened to him in that church like something happened in dallas there was a responsibility we felt and i think the bush administration like anyone who would have come into this -- now his father had been president so he knew more about it. so i think on 9/11 they realized the value of having the press corps with them. and when i covered romney i had this thought, okay, we're up in this town in wolfeboro and it's sunday and he's probably going to the mormon church in town. >> and you were feeling religious. >> and i thought i'm going to go so my photographer stayed outside. we sat in and wrote what i thought was a humanizing story about governor romney. at the same time he was a candidate then. but every step you take, you take on more responsibility to the public you serve and donald
trump is going to be the president of the united states and he owes that to the american public. >> critical point. robert costa, i heard two guests on lawrence o'donnell's show tonight saying in effect this is a man, as they see it, whose methods have become unsound, to coin a phrase, a man who has lit up the sbem jeintelligence commy dint of being offered this job of national security advisor. why is there so much controversy around this retired u.s. army lieutenant general? >> simply because he left the obama administration in a top intelligence position and began to publicly rebuke the president he once served. he has a combative personality, he's rub add lot of people,
including old friends, as. trump likes the way he talks, he's tough, he's terse, and trump likes that. >> and because we're in the era of fake news because the president in berlin today was asked a question about and talked about the rise and the danger of fake news, didn't general flynn retweet a fake news item perhaps more than one recently? >> if you're curious about general flynn, i'd encourage you to check out his twitter feed not just recently but throughout the past year. he has been someone engaged in -- well, different than the mainstream media in terms of news showers he shares publicly. this is part of flynn moving away from the mainstream, embracing donald trump, becoming his own character of sorts, this incendiary figure in american politics, if you look back at his speech in the rnc, he was railing against the president and he has tweeted a variety of things.
>> to katie packer, our thanks and welcome to our broadcast. to robert costa, our thanks and welcome back to our broadcast and to upstanding churchgoing kasie hunt, thank you very much for coming in tonight. appreciate it. our first break here. and the man who said "lock her up" from the rnc stage has been offered the job of national security advisor by donald trump what should we know about retired general mike flynn? we happen to have retired four star general barry mccaffrey joining us next. this is "the 11th hour." (inner monologue) all right, be cool. you got the amazing new iphone 7 on the house by switching to at&t... what??.... aand you got unlimited data because you have directv?? okay, just a few more steps... door! it's cool get the iphone 7 on us and unlimited data
>> we do not need a reckless president who believes she is above the law. [ cheers and applause ] [ crowd chanting "lock her up ] lock her up, that's right. >> that is the man who, according to the associated press tonight, has been offered the job of national security advisor by donald trump, a job that, by the way, does not require senate confirmation. here with us tonight, barry mccaffrey, a veteran of the military and along the way a veteran of politics. he's a retired four star general, combat veteran of vietnam and iraq, former u.s. drug czar and is among our military affairs analysts. general, how well do you know general flynn? how do you square the general flynn you know with that bit of
rhetoric we just heard and what do you think about his chance miss this job? >> well, you know that video is -- makes most of us in the military very uncomfortable. but, look, brian, i just did a long interview with james kitfield who did a piece on mike flynn that was pretty balanced, pretty in-depth. a couple observations. first of all, flynn is the best intelligence officer of his generation. he and general stanley mcchrystal and david petraeus are the reason we haven't had a dozen 9/11s sin then, they've been relentless in confronting the global jihadist community. so he's a good guy. he's objective, he's informed, he's tough. he does his home work, i'm not surprised he's going to be the national security advisor. i think he'll probably be pretty good at it although there's a cautionary note here.
gnatn national security is not just the military, it's department of homeland security, it's treasury, energy, attorney general. so it's going to be a much broader scope in some ways than he's operated in. >> do you worry at all about this kind of game of footsie we've seen with russia about his ties in his private life and private business to the nation of turkey that have been reported? do you worry about outside entanglements? >> i think all of this ought to get exposed. we need good insight into who people are doing business with in their background but mike flynn is a patriot, he's a tough guy, it's hard for me to imagine he wouldn't always have the defense interest of the united states first and foremost in his mind. i think, again, the problem with general flynn was that he got fired by the obama team because he was stepping on a narrative
that says isis is the jv and he saw them as a growing threat to the american people. by and large he was right but he wouldn't join the consensus so now he's angry, he's rebelled against that administration and he's signed on to president-elect trump and he's going to try to -- we'll see some real energy behind the global war on isis with them in office, i think. >> and by the way, back up to your first point, the breadth of this job. we've watched it grow from the era of henry kissinger. it is now so close to the president it can channel work flow. control what the president sees and doesn't see sometimes to the detriment of other cabinet agencies across town and across the river and think of just the signals intelligence, the electronic surveillance that this one job gets to deal with. >> no question. one can hope that the flex gets
very powerful savvy people. you can't have the entire government run out of the white house. increasing the last 20 years as i've watched it, we've had way too much centralization not of policy but of micromanaging administration of policy. >> retired four stars like yourself i know keep up a very active network with former and current generals, about generals during the campaign we heard donald trump say two things notably that our generals "have been reduced to rubble" and that he knows more than the generals on isis. so he starts this relationship starting with the joint chiefs. he starts a relationship with
america's generals with a lot of stars on their shoulders with this baggage. what do you make of his challenge? how do you think he'll be received? obviously commander in chief these are men and women who know the chain of command. >> well, brian, i'm glad you said that. there's no question there will be 100% commitment by the uniform military leadership to the incoming administration, we go through this every year years, it's very healthy, the legal commander of the armed forces is the president of the united states. by a the way, that title commander-in-chief only applies to the armed forces. it bothered he when i hear it used in other contexts. so he'll get the support of the chief but general joe dunford, four star milley, the army chief, these people have been in combat since they were second lieutenants or operating somewhere in the world
so i hope he's willing to listen and learn. >> retired four-star general barry mccaffrey, always a pleasure to have you on, thank you very much for joining us tonight, general. >> good to be with you, brian. another beak for us. coming up, what the nsa director has to say about the cyber attacks during this past election season. this is "the 11th hour." whoa, this is awful, try it. oh no, that looks gross what is that? you gotta try it, it's terrible. i don't wanna try it if it's terrible. it's like mango chutney and burnt hair. no thank you, i have a very sensitive palate. just try it! guys, i think we should hurry up. if you taste something bad, you want someone else to try it. it's what you do. i can't get the taste out of my mouth! if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. it's what you do. shhh! dog, dog, dog. coaching means making tough choices. jim! you're in! but when you have high blood pressure and need cold medicine that works fast, the choice is simple. coricidin hbp is the only brand that gives powerful cold symptom relief without raising your blood pressure.
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he wears his army hat, he gets awalks aroundliments. with his army shirt looking all nice. and then people just say, "thank you for serving our country" and i'm like, that's my dad. male vo: no one deserves a warmer welcome home. that's why we're hiring 10,000 members of the military community by the end of 2017. i'm very proud of him. male vo: comcast. i don't think anybody knows it was russia that broke into the dnc. she's saying russia, russia, russia but i don't -- maybe it
was. it could be russia but it could also be china. it could also be lot oefs other people. it also could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds. you don't know who broke in to dnc. >> the 400 pounder on the bed theory. last thing before we go here tonight, that was donald trump casting doubt on the notion of russia hacking the dnc at the first debate. throughout this campaign there were questions of russian involvement in the hacking of the dnc and the hacking of john podesta's e-mails released on wikileaks. so we thought we'd show you something unambiguous. this is admiral mike rogers, the ed of the nsa, at this week's "wall street journal" event in d.c. >> there shouldn't be any doubt in anybody's mind. this was not something that was done casually. this was not something that was done by chance. this was not a far get that was selected purely orb trarly, this was a conscious effort by a nation state to attempt to
achieve a specific effect. >> the nation state he was talked about, while not mentioned by name, the u.s. intelligence community named russia that nation state last month. that does it for our broadcast tonight. thank you very much for being here with us. "hardball" with chris matthews is up next. dangerous liaisons, let's play hard ball. good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. when it comes to those who might serve inside a trump administration, some of trump's choices could become dangerous for the president-elect. nbc's reporting trump is expected to choose retired lieutenant general michael flynn, for example, as his national security advisor. flynn who cald