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tonight on "all in" -- >> the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned. >> a full-scale purge at dhs. >> that is a major event. >> as the president reportedly turns over immigration policy to stephen miller, and reportedly ordered the renewal and expansion of family separation. >> this administration did not create a policy of separating families at the border. >> tonight, 2020 candidate kamala harris on kirstjen nielsen's departure and what comes next. >> do you dispute that separating a child from their parent will create and cause trauma? then -- >> you believe democrats will
never see the president's tax returns? >> oh, no, never. >> the new tactic democrats are using to get donald trump's tax returns. plus, new outrage over remarks by the president to a crowd of jewish americans. >> i stood with your prime minister at the white house -- and why beto o'rourke is standing by his description of the president's dark rhetoric on immigration. >> calling human beings an infestation is something we might have expected to hear in nazi germany. >> when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. incited by his most militant anti-immigrant adviser, the president is right now purging the top ranks of the department of homeland security in order to install officials who will owe bay illegal orders from the president in order to inflict maximum cruelty on people seeking refuge here in the united states. the most prominent official ousted in that purge, homeland security secretary kirstjen
nielsen, who became the face of the administration's infamous and odious child separation policy. she carried water for the president, lied to congress and the public, insisting time and time again that no such policy ever existed. >> this administration did not create a policy of separating families at the border. >> again, we do not have a policy to separate children from their parents. our policy is if you break the law, we will prosecute you. >> calling me a liar are fighting words. i'm not a liar. we've never had a policy for family separation. >> they did have a policy. it's in a memo that senator jeff merkley got his hands on. he'll join me in just a minute. executing them, even when they were monstrous and advocating for his wall, nielsen appears to have been insufficiently despotic for the president. according to "the new york times," the president called nielsen at home to demand she take action to stop migrants from entering the country, such as blocking all migrants from seeking asylum.
nielsen reportedly pushed back. nbc news reports she also resisted efforts by the president to reinstate his child separation policy, the one that she said didn't exist time and time again, and reminded him it was prohibited by a court order last year. on the other hand, nielsen reportedly regained some footing with the president when border patrol agents used tear gas to repel a large crowd attempting to break through a border fence, the kind of tough action trump said he wanted in the dhs secretary. it was not apparently cruel enough. nielsen joins several other senior dhs officials on their way out the door, including the u.s. secret service director and acting director of i.c.e. and now more officials are reportedly expected to join them, including the department's general counsel, the head of u.s. citizenship and immigration services, the undersecretary for management who is currently next in line to succeed nielsen as secretary. all of that purging, and there is not really a better word, could pave the way do the president to install his chosen successor, which appears to be the current head of customs and
border patrol, kevin mcaleenan, who according to nbc news, has not ruled out family separation as an option. the whole purge appears to have been engineered by one person, the president's 33-year-old senior adviser steve miller who has long and quite publicly dreamed of curbing all immigration in the wus not just unauthorized immigration. with the top ranks of the dhs cleared out, miller now has free reign to run the administration's policy. according to "the wall street journal," an administration official says the president recently told miller, you're in charge. now, this all comes against the backdrop of a genuine surge in the number of central american children and families that are crossing the southern border, most of them seeking asylum. but instead of coming up with a plan to deal with the surge, miller and the president choose to heighten their brutality. >> whether it's asylum, whether it's anything you want, illegal immigration, can't take you anymore.
we can't take you. our country is full. our area's full. the sector is full. can't take you anymore. i'm sorry. can't happen. so turn around. that's the way it is. >> msnbc's jacob soboroff has been all over the story of the president's child separation policy since the beginning. he's been covering what's actually going on at the border as well. whatever happened behind closed doors, nielsen through her own volition publicly repeatedly was one of the most vociferous advocates for some of the most notorious policies of this president on immigration. >> the idea that she should get some credit today because she pushed back on president trump's reboot of family separation is a joke. i mean, i heard, chris, time and time again after president trump ended the separations, which i saw with my own eyes down there at the mcallen border patrol processing station, that within her group, her team, team nielsen, they regretted that executive order being signed because they felt that they were close to the underlying policy goal, which is still the goal
that kevin mcaleenan supports, which is, number one, holding families in jail basically, in detention for the entire duration of their asylum process and then turning around immediately young undocumented unaccompanied minors and sending them home the minute they set foot on u.s. soil. >> it's worth taking a moment just to say that the child separation policy is not over and the moral and very human ruins of it remain. this is from some of the headlines recently. the u.s. says it could take two years to identify up to thousands of separated immigrant families. these are in a class that started before the official beginning the policy. huffpo with an article about the way that it has scarred the kids for life. one year after trump's zero tolerance policy immigration policy, families say their children are withdrawn, depressed and self-harming. >> so 65 kids that we know of from the zero tolerance period are still in federal custody and haven't been reunited. that's on top of the thousands more that hhs office of inspector general identified saying were potentially separated. just like you said, on friday we learned from this court filing
in federal court it could take up to two years to ultimately reunite all of those children, at least identify them and figure out if they need to be reunited. you played that clip of the president saying, sorry, we're full, that's just the way it is. turn around. the idea that's new tough talk from the president is also ridiculous. that's also been the message all along. >> right. >> it didn't work as a deterrent during separations. it didn't work for the remain in mexico policy, by the way, put on hold by a court today. it's not going to work again, whatever preposterous extreme immigration policy they come up with. >> this is the basic dynamic you point to here, the underlying problem here. you're right, today a judge blocked the remain in mexico policy. these people are fleeing genuine misery and despair and in some cases what you might describe as terror, the homicide rates and things like that. so the president and stephen miller want to scare them away, and they're locked in a battle of, you know, of fear with the most notorious street gangs in all the western hemisphere. kind of hard battle to win. >> why is anybody surprised by
this? president trump said his first moment as a candidate, mexicans are rapists and criminals. >> right. >> he's not focuses on the number one source of undocumented immigration to this country, people that overstay their visas and fly into the united states. you don't need a wall to block that type of immigration. he talks about people that have brown skin that look different from him that come across the southern border because he's obsessed with and he thinks that's how he's going to win elections. the real world consequences are despicable, frankly, having seen them with my own eyes. he wants everyone to know he's a big fan of them. >> jacob soboroff, thank you. >> thanks, chris. >> my next guest helped to blow the whistle on the trump separation policy, senator jeff merkley. just for the record, replaying those lies from kirstjen nielsen about we have no such policy. she said it under oath before congress, before the american public time and time again. i mean, you got your hand on the document that showed that to be a lie. >> absolutely.
it's so disturbing to see an official of the united states lying to the american people. now, it's not rare in this administration. we've seen it from trump. we have seen it from official after official. but in this case there is well-documented path. in fact, it was just two weeks into the administration when they first started publicly talking about child separation. and as you noted, there were thousands, estimated thousands of children who were separated from their parents even before zero tolerance was launched by jeff sessions. so she has lied to the american people. she's been in charge of the darkest, most evil policy we've seen in america in a very long time. i'm glad she's gone. she should have resigned in protest long ago. >> what happens now? i mean, obviously lots of people like yourself have called for her to leave that job, but how is today's news landed on capitol hill? it's very rare to see an outright purge against a federal agency like what we're seeing, kind of a decapitation of the
political leadership. what's the word on capitol hill as your colleagues and yourself watch this? >> well, people are bracing for the battle to come because the president wants someone who will be even worse than kirstjen nielsen. and kevin mcaleenan, well, he's been in charge of some of these policies. he's been in charge of the blockade, which prevents people from asserting their international right to ask for asylum on the border. children have often been absolutely unable to get any form of opportunity to ask for asylum. he's been in charge previously of child separation. he now has this idea, which i would call choose your trauma, because he's saying, well, maybe the families will have to choose. maybe i can make them choose between locked up in internment camps or separated from their children. which trauma do you want to inflict on your child is what he's advocating for. we're going to be in a big battle over this. >> well, you might be in a battle or the president might attempt essentially an end-run
around the constitution's advise and consent, in insofar as he's done in a number of places. what do you do if he elevates enacting, which he appears intent on doing and then just never comes to the senate with a nominee? something he's done at the defense department, apparently. >> the battle will go to the appropriation bills on how the president spends money. it will go to the courts. it will be in a battle no matter what strategy the president chooses to enhance internment camps in america or enhance child separation. so much damage to children. and there is a great alternative called family case management program that costs less and people show up to their hearings. that's what the president says he wants. >> i want to read you what the president said to border agents behind the scenes during his visit last week. he told border agents not to let mikes in. telling them we don't have the capacity. if judges give you trouble, sorry, judge, i can't do it. we don't have the room. the president appears quite openly to be searching for people that will quite literally disobey and break the law for
him. what are you going to do about that? >> yeah. well, this is why it's going to be a battle in every tool we have. the funding battle. the court battle. and the public relations battle. i've been down on the border a few weeks ago in tijuana. i went to several shelters across the border. i melt with families who had been rebuffed at the border time and time again. they were allowed to enter their names into a book in which after a number of weeks they might possibly get a credible fear hearing. but those under 18 were not allowed to even put their name in the book. they are stranded on some of the most dangerous streets in the world at various border towns across our southern border, and it's a horrendous thing to do, and the result is eventually they have to choose from being in danger on the streets with the sex industry, with the gang industry, with kidnappings, with brutality, with rapes or go across the border illegally. the president is incentivizing people by blocking the ports of entry to cross between the ports
of entry, the exact opposite of what he's told the american people. >> all right. senator jeff merkley, who has been focused on this issue quite a bit from the beginning, thanks very much. >> thanks, chris. >> i'm joined by a member of the house homeland security committee. just returned from her trip to the border in el paso, texas. not her first trip to the border. what is your reaction to what it augers for what the administration is trying to do? >> well, i think it shows how much chaos is going on in the department of homeland security. how disorganized and how chaotic it is. my concern is certainly what is to come. i was just at the border, as you mentioned, this weekend, and what i saw down there was heartbreaking. we saw photos of families being held under this bridge, and everybody thought the problem was fixed. that's not the case. what i saw there were families were simply moved to another location. they have three tents instead of one.
but you still have 4-month-old children living outside in these tents with the same clothes for days on end. it's completely unacceptable. >> well, here is the argument that the administration makes and not just the administration, i'd like you to respond to it, which is basically we do not have the present systematic capacity to process the number of families, particularly with the number of small children we have. we have a system designed to essentially apprehend and process single men who were attempting to cross without authorization. we're now getting families and asylum applications. we need to do something. what do you say? >> congress just allocated $415 million in humanitarian relief, and i don't know where that money has gone. i certainly didn't see it in action down there at the border this weekend. that's a question we need to ask in making sure that we follow up because we've given them money, and, look, we're in the united states of america. they need to find a way to humanely treat people at the
border. and that's the bottom line. >> do you -- i want to -- i want to play -- read you something -- some reporting about stephen miller's role in all of this. he has recently been telephoning midlevel officials at several federal agencies to angrily demand they do more to stem the flow. according to officials. discussions about poor work performance among colleagues, according to a source briefed on one such conversation. how much do you think he's driving this and what does it mean if he is? >> well, i think it means that we're in for a big fight to come. i think it means that congress has to continue to have oversight hearings and we have to keep up the fight because if he's leading this, and that is what we're all hearing, we're in trouble. i mean, this is a guy who doesn't believe in the value of immigrants and we're seeing firsthand and hearing accounts. if they try to reimplement this policy of zero tolerance, we're going to have to go full-on with this administration, certainly when we pass appropriations
bills, and the department of homeland security -- rather, the committee for homeland security has to keep these oversight hearings coming. we were scheduled to have secretary nielsen come before our committee again on may 1st to talk about the budget. it looks like maybe we'll still see the new acting secretary come and we'll have to ask those tough questions. >> are you concerned that the administration might try to do things illegally and/or not actually be forthright about what they're doing? >> absolutely. we've certainly had the secretary lie to congress. we've had officials lie to me when i go down to the border. and i've been at the border enough times to see what is happening and people being turned away at the ports of entry, even though we hear otherwise. now, this weekend we had cbp basically admit they were turning people away at the port of entry. talking about the list.
they also -- border patrol told me that they were implementing the remain in mexico policy. it started the week before, and i got to speak to one of the guys who was the architect of that from d.c. was on the ground there. so i was certainly glad to see a court today say, no, you're not going to do this, but no doubt this is an administration who is doing whatever they can, not just -- a basic disregard for the law, and this is where the courts are so critical and where the oversight for congress is critical and we have to continue and not let up on this. >> all right. congresswoman from california, great to have you. >> thank you. >> after the break, she was the very first senator to call for homeland security nielsen's resignation. kamala harris on today's big developments and what happens next. in two minutes. directly to petmeds.com.
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>> no, what we'll be doing is prosecuting parents who have broken the law, just as we do every day in the united states of america. >> i can appreciate that, but if that parent has a 4-year-old child, what do you plan on doing with that child? >> the child under law goes to hhs for care and custody. >> they will be separated by their parent. >> just like we do in the united states every day. >> and the question is and the request has been to give us the information about how you are training and what the protocols are for separating a child from their parent. >> i'm happy to provide you with the training information. >> thank you. >> about a month after that exchange in which then hhs secretary kirstjen nielsen claimed the trump administration was not separating families at the southern border as policy, california democrat kamala harris became the first senator to call for nielsen to resign, citing, among other things, her misleading record on statements about the trump administration policy on separating children from their parents at the border. joining me now is 2020 presidential candidate, senator kamala harris from california. good to have you.
>> good to be with you, chris. >> you asked for this back in may, june 2018, and you got it today. i'm curious how you're actually feeling on the day where she lost her job? >> well, listen, i called for her resignation. i still believe that she should not be in that position, and obviously she's not there anymore, but, chris, it's really important that we understand that this is -- this is a policy of the administration's that she implemented and was clearly prepared to do so. but it is the administration's policy. and there is, you know, it's not any one person only to blame or to require accountability. it's the entire administration and all of the people that are complicit with the this administration's policy, which is about separating children at the border, it's about perpetuating untruths, lies, frankly, about what is the nature of the issue, and it is about really just a political game that this president is playing, inciting fear within
people in our country around what is otherwise really a humanitarian issue. and we're going to have to address it on every level, but there are -- it's not just about whoever was or will be the next secretary of the department of homeland security. this is about an administration that has failed to project the morals and the -- and the values of our country, and instead is engaged in -- in political gamesmanship around an issue that is having real consequences for very vulnerable people. >> i want to talk about how to address it, because you said we're going to have to address it, but just as a sort of follow-up question, i mean, nielsen, according to reporting, was essentially fired because she was not willing to facially break the law. the president was ordering her to do things that would be in violation of the law. he got rid of her. there is an an dispags that the president will push for that. i guess the question as a lawyer yourself, former attorney general, prosecutor, what to do if and when the moment comes when they attempt to facially violate the law?
>> well, there needs to be consequence. obviously, first of all, the courts are acting and kicking in in terms of the constitutionality of these various policies from the administration. there needs to be also some consequence and accountability exerted by the united states congress. i am truly hoping that my republican colleagues will agree that we cannot continue to have policies coming through that department that are really violating people's human rights. when we talk about the issue of asylum, we are talking about people fleeing murdered capitals of the world, and we are prepared, according to this administration, to turn our backs on those who are seeking help and refuge. you look at the lies that are being perpetuated and the misdirection of priorities. this visit that the administration paid down, chris, i've been there, let me tell you something, they're talking about building this fence that he is
calling a wall, which is a vanity project. what i saw were tunnels. how are they going to deal with the tunnels or the fence or the wall or whatever they're calling it? it is a complete distraction from what needs to be productive approach and good public policy around an issue, including the fact that part of what we need to do if we want to focus on prevention, if we think about it short term and long term, is the humanitarian aid and the aid that we were giving the northern triangle. this administration has now cut off. that's aid that has many purposes, including focussing on the potential for economic development in those countries, aid that has as a focus and a potential focus reduction of corruption in those countries. but we're cutting that off and rejecting and turning our backs on people who are fleeing. so there's -- >> so -- >> it doesn't seem to have any logic, in addition to being a humanitarian crisis. >> so when you talk about the aid, and that is 100% true. we have reduced every year, i think, of the trump administration, aid to those
three countries, el salvador, honduras and guatemala. >> right. >> in the northern triangle. if you were president right now or president in the future when something like this presented itself. the administration's rhetoric aside, the numbers are going up and there is a genuine capacity issue in terms of the country bureaucracy's issue to deal humanely with families and young children. what should be done? what is the -- what is the program that you would like to see pursued here? >> well, there has -- it's a multiprong approach that is required. so it is both about reinstituting that aid so we can deal with the -- the long-term effects of the crisis and -- and hopefully mitigate or reduce them. and -- which is the reason that people are fleeing these countries through aid. we can potentially reduce the reason that they have to flee. there is short-term what we need to do, which to is to have a robust approach to processing asylum claims, so that we give people a meaningful process by which they can tell their
stories and describe the harm they're fleeing. we should talk about also this -- this policy that they put in place to say that the people should be processed in mexico. well, many of them have also experienced harm through the travels through mexico, but yet we're turning our back and saying go back to mexico while we're processing your cases. that's misinformed and misdirected as a policy. so there are many things that must be done, that are both around prevention in the long term but also addressing the current issue, which is a humanitarian issue, and requires a humanitarian response. that's not what we've seen. we've seen an administration that is engaged in a very punitive approach to people who are vulnerable and are seeking help from us as a country. this is not reflective of who we are or who we should be as -- as a country who has said that we will accept and receive those who are fleeing harm. >> the administration contends, and i understand why there is reason to be skeptical of their
good faith, but their convention is not that it's punitive, but rather that it's deterrence, right? that essentially they are attempting to send a signal down the line to the northern triangle you cannot do this. what do you think about the logic of deterrence generally in this kind of situation? >> people are fleeing homicides, murders. people are fleeing circumstances that present greater harm to them than what they're experiencing when they come to the border. it's just -- it actually is just -- it's wrong. they're wrong to say this. it's just actually -- there will be no deterrent equal to the deterrent that is to stay in a country where they might be killed. that's the biggest deterrent on the map right now. and so they are fleeing those places hoping that they can have a meaningful process by which they can receive some kind of refuge and safety, and we ought
to give it to them. >> all right. senator kamala harris, thank you so much for making the time. come back -- come back again. we'd love to have you. >> thank you. thank you. coming up, the white house drops the charade of ever releasing the president's tax returns. the democrats have a new plan, and that's next.
the white house isn't even pretending anymore they have any interest in complying with the law when it comes to donald trump's tax returns. with the mueller report there is at least as act of, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you'll get it, you'll get it, it's coming. this weekend acting chief of staff mick mulvaney was very blunt that is not the case when it comes to trump's taxes. >> you believe democrats will
never see the president's tax returns? >> oh, no, never. nor should they. keep in mind, that's an issue that was already litigated during the election. voters knew the president could have given his tax returns, they knew he didn't and they elected him anyway, which, of course, is what drives the democrats crazy. >> okay. point of fact, it was not litigated in the election because the law of the united states of america is not litigated in the election and the law is clear and unambiguous. upon written request from the chairman of the house of representatives, the secretary shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request. shall. any return. the trump administration will now try to fight this in the court and count justices on the supreme court. so now the state of new york is stepping into the breach with a new plan to allow congress to access trump's state taxes. joining me now, new york state senator. senator, thank you for joining us. what's the plan here? >> well, the plan, chris, is that we're creating a parallel
route that the house ways and means committee has with the federal government with the state of new york, whereby they can request that information from the state of new york, including donald trump's tax returns and his corporate tax returns and receive that information. >> so you would pass a law that says the committee chair of the ways and means can request any tax return from the state of new york? it would be a state law. and then turn them over should the chair make that request? is that how it would work? >> that's right, chris. you know, this is really not a big deal. the state of new york does this all the time. the state provides the tax filing information of new yorkers to the irs. they provide it to other states. so this would just be another version of that, but instead it would be with the three committees that can request this information at the federal level. >> is -- do you worry at all about this being abused, right?
you can imagine all sorts of nasty reasons that politicians across the political spectrum would want to single out a particular individual, not necessarily in perhaps the president, and try to go after their tax returns to embarrass them. you can imagine a tea party congress trying to get george soros, et cetera. do you have concerns about that as a broader principle? >> well, of course, you know, i guess no one trusts the irs, but i think we do trust our congress and we do trust the fact that we've built in a protection in this legislation that at the request of one of these congressional committees, the state department of taxation would have to sign off, and i believe that that would hopefully put an end to those kinds of phishing expeditions that you suggest might happen. >> i want to play for you what mitt romney said about the enterprise to get the president's taxes as a fundamentally partisan enterprise. take a listen. then i'll get your response. >> i think the democrats are playing along his handbook,
which is going after his tax returns through a legislative action is moronic. that's not going to happen. >> what do you think of that? >> well, i think he's wrong on a couple of counts. one, i don't think it's moronic. it's about getting at the truth. secondly, i think it is going to happen. just tonight governor cuomo announced his support for my legislation. so we've got a lot of support building for this legislation up here in albany. >> what are the stakes? i mean, there is one level which obviously the kind of partisan stakes are clear. i think democrats suspect that there is bad, incriminating information in the president's taxes. in a broader democratic sense, what do you see the stakes? why is it important to facilitate this? >> well, the stakes are the rule of law, and the rule of law needs to apply evenly to everyone, even the occupant of the highest office in the land. and we as new yorkers have a special role, after all, donald trump lives in new york state and conducts his business here, but also a special responsibility, chris, to ensure
that our congressional representatives are able to exercise their oversight. >> so you see it as essentially also aiding the congress in its sort of co-equal struggle with the first -- with the second branch? >> indeed. i mean, you could argue that we're perhaps averting a constitutional
showdown by stepping in -- >> huh. >> and having new york do what the irs won't. >> all right. new york state senator brad hoylman, thank you very much. >> thanks for having me. ahead, beto o'rourke stands by his comparison of the president's rhetoric around immigrants to the rhetoric of the third reich. we'll discuss that ahead. plus, tonight's thing one, thing two, next. ♪ if your moderate to severe ulcerative colitis
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trump got to fire jeff sessions for trump and same for anthony scaramucci, same for omarosa. james comey and andrew mccabe both found out their firings on the phone. perhaps the most dramatic fashion of all, reince priebus, when he jumped out of the presidential suv and the presidential motorcade just went on without him. >> you want me to do like -- you're fired? ready? you're fired, okay? ready? >> yeah. >> you're fired! probably can't use that, but that's -- can't use that, but that's - to the best artists and more, on us. plus, save big when you switch. only on verizon.
congresswoman ilhan omar, minnesota, got a ton of criticism for pointing to what she called, "the political influence in this country that says it is okay to push for aleejs to a foreign country." omar was talking about israel and was condemned by members of both parties for allegedly playing into anti-semitic ideology. she after a day or two unequivocally apologized. there has been no such apology from donald trump quoted back in 1991 saying, "black guys counting my money, i hate it. the only guys i want counting my money are short guys that wear yamakas every day." trump had this to say to the republican jewish collusion. >> you're not going to support me, even though you know i'll be the best thing that will happen to israel. i know why you're not going to support me because i don't want your money. you want to control your own politician. that's fine. good. i will tell you.
think about that, next. don't worry about it. >> you get it? you jews won't support me because i don't want your money and you jews, you like to support and control your own politicians. this weekend trump was back in front of the republican jewish coalition and back at it. he started -- he criticized congress woman ilhan omar as a hater of israel just one day after one of his supporters was arrested for threatening to kill her. more than once trump suggested that the american jews in the audience are loyal to a foreign country. >> i stood with your prime minister at the white house to recognize israeli sovereignty over the golan heights. >> you caught that, right? your prime minister. your prime minister. he's talking to american jews. he's their president. it's an explicit charge of dual loyalty. trump is literally telling american jews that they consider benjamin netanyahu to be their head of state, but that's not the most offensive thing he said in the last 72 hours. the president's ugly rhetoric and the darkest chapters of history it recalls is next.
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beto you compared the trump administration to nazi germany. can you elaborate on that? >> well, i compared the rhetoric the president employed to rhetoric you might have heard during the third reich. calling human beings an infestation is something we wife expected to hear in nazi germany. describing immigrants as raists and criminals, seeking to ban -- one kind of other country does that kind of thing in our history or the history of the world? >> beto o'rourke is sticking by his comparison of immigrants to the nazi regime. it is simply a fact that the nazis and jews talked about other talked about othe jews and others as infestations. trump tweeted they're infesting the country.
he talks about them as an malls but you shall will i with just enough dehumanizing poison to take immigrants. there's further historical resonance. modern asylum law is to the moral biological warfare of the world war ii where jews fleeing the german regime were told we are full. go away and sent back to slaugter. >> the system is full. can't take you anymore. whether it's asylum, whether it's anything you want, it's illegal immigration. we can't take you anymore. our country is full. our area is full. the sector is full. can't take you anymore. sorry. can't happen. turn around. that's the way it is.
>> for more on the insidious effect of this rhetoric i want to bring in michelle goldberg. and erica andeola. erica as someone who works with these populations -- i have been to the lawyer boarder and talked to lawyers there -- what does this rhetoric mean? >> this goes beyond rhetoric. this has really changed policies. i have heard a lot of people at the border as you have mentioned. for us it's been an increasing number of people who are either being returned to mexico through the return to mexico policy or children who are still being separated from their parent osar more children being in detention centers with their mothers and fathers. you name it. i can go on and on and on in the policies he changed, not necessarily just talking about
this -- of course coming from this completely racist perspective. but his words have gone beyond that. people are definitely feeling the results of the administration being hateful towards people of color. >> someone picked up the original beto o'rourke line, from somewhere in iowa and blew it up as a gotcha, like he compared trump to -- i thought o'rourke did a pretty good job there. >> what he said was inarguably true, not just nazi germany, but both sen sides we are aware of, referring to people as an malts, like you said an infestation. they're trying make a scandal out of this. part of it is in bad faith. >> i also i, this erica -- i
wonder, i've heard a lot of stories -- i'm sure there are people who work in border patrol who are good people, but there are some who you hear do use language. i wonder how much that trickles out, gives license to the people on the front end of i remember limiting this policy to play to what their worst prejudices might be. >> absolutely. it has a huge impact not only on cdp or borderle kro, but i.c.e., and just in general trump followers have taken his narrative into action, anden why, we have unfortunately have seen how this has played into not only immigrants getting treated the way they're being treated, being put into the cages, being put into parols overnight for many days with
children, but also just over and over again we have seen more deaths happening at the border, deaths in the hands of border control. it's not just a narrative. i completely agree. this president is using, you know -- really his words, i would agree with beto. he's using a lot of white supremacist narrative and words to describe our community, and it's not only changes policies it's also changes minds and unfortunate a lot of people are hurting because of that. >> i also feel like we have forgotten the lesson of world war i. modern asylum law is-borne of what happened in world war ii. >> right, and what we forget is the people that happened to in world war ii were but powerless. if you were an average german you were going about your live that time and it didn't seem to be like that big of an emergency.
right? like the sort of atrocities were happening far off to the side to marginal populations and, you know, there were plenty of people that, you know, that would have been considered hysterical if they raised too much of a fuss about it. >> or in the u.s., it was covered at the time and there were people saying, we should let them in, they're desperate and there were people saying, there may be subversives, controls. do we really want these people? >> the nazi papers would always have special section on jewish crime. the same thing trump does with the construct of the angel moms. they would say this is a special category, jewish crime. it's not as if jewish people were known for being criminals but it's a dehumanization. today the news has broken that trump is desperate not just to an instate family separation, but to you expand separation to
populations it hasn't previously affected. you can only do that if you don't think of people as fully human. >> there's two ways of seeing this rhetoric. one is that it creates reaction -- if you look at polling on the american populace it's probably for controversial now. i wonder how you see snit. >> yeah, right now trump is talking to his audience, to make sure they come out and vote. all he's doing right now the political. it really is. it happened in 2018. this was the big caravan coming. oh, my god, people should be scared. after the election was over, he stopped speaking about the actual caravan. so this is going to continue to happen. what i really hope is that we can get more and more of our base, of our it voters, of people in the middle who don't understand the issue to come to
the side of humanity and making sure that we have a different 2020 election and that we have a different country after 2020. >> thank you both. tonight more departures than arrivals as a number of big names have been shown the door and a trump administration with a lot of vacancies now in some big permanent jobs. the kind of jobs that affect the safety of the american people. plus tough questions are awaiting attorney general bill barr when he appears before congress just hours from now. and most folks have the same questions. where's the mueller report, what's in it, when do we get to see it? and the rare political speech that broke through and might just echo for some time. tonight the words of a 37-year-old mayor of a small midwestern city as "the 11th hour" gets under way on a monday night.