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ali velshi will have a two-hour special tomorrow morning live from the grounds of the capitol in washington, d.c., that begins at 8:00 a.m. eastern. that is tonight's "last word." "the 11th hour" with brian williams starts now. ♪ well, good evening once again. day 1,450 of the trump administration. 12 days remain until the inauguration of joe biden as our 46th president. the effort to stop donald trump from doing anything over the next week and a half is gaining momentum inside even outside the nation's capital. tonight the worst fate of all has befallen the president. his cellphone has been rendered mute and ineffective. the man who said he could not have been elected president without twitter has been tossed off of twitter. they announced tonight that his account has been suspended permanently citing the risk of
further incitement of silence. the company adds in a statement, "plans for future armed protests have already begun proliferating on and off twitter including a proposed secondary attack on the u.s. capitol and state capitol buildings on january 17, 2021." that's actually an emerging threat. we have two experts standing by later in this hour to brief us on that very threat. it turns out all it took for trump to get banned from twitter and facebook and instagram was his role in inciting the looting and desecration of our capitol. other pro-trump groups gathered at statehouses across the country threatening state officials along the way. meanwhile the momentum is gaining speed to make trump the first president to be impeached twice. such a thing would settle any argument about history's worst president. speaker nancy pelosi has thrown down the gauntlet in this area telling trump to resign or face
a second impeachment or removal via the 25th amendment. she drew that line in the sand after meeting with her caucus for nearly four hours and after talking with joint chiefs of staff, chairman general mark milly, about making sure steps are in place to keep trump from launching military hostilities including but not limited to a nuclear strike. the speaker made the case for action against trump in an interview with "60 minutes." >> the person running the executive branch is a deranged, unhinged, dangerous president of the united states. and with only a number of days until we can be protected from him. but he has done something so serious that there should be prosecution against him.
>> three house democrats, members of the speaker's team have already drafted the
articles of impeachment titled "incitement of insurrection." nbc news reporting it could be introduced as early as monday. the wording here includes this, quote, the president threatened the integrity of the democratic system, interfered with the peaceful transition of power and imperilled a coordinate branch of government. he thereby betrayed his trust as president. the white house had this response today. quote, as president trump said yesterday this is a time for healing and unity as one nation. a politically motivated impeachment against a president with 12 days remaining in his term will only serve to further
divide our great country. well, this afternoon president-elect joe biden was asked if he backed this push for impeachment. >> i thought for a long, long time that president trump wasn't fit to hold a job. that's why i ran. i'm focused on the virus, the vaccine and economic growth. what the congress decides to do
is for them to decide. >> meanwhile republican senator ben sasse of nebraska -- and since this may happen again let's not pause to -- let's pause to point out he has been a loyal trump vote in the u.s. senate all these years. he now says he's open to looking at impeaching donald trump. >> the house if they come together and have a process, i will definitely consider whatever articles they might move. i believe the president has disregarded his oath of office. >> lisa murkowski of alaska now the first republican senator officially to call on trump to step down. in an interview with her hometown anchorage daily news she said, quote, i want him to resign. i want him out. he has caused enough damage. he doesn't want to stay there. he only wants to stay there for the title. he only wants to stay there for
his ego. she went on to question her own membership in what has become the party of trump. meanwhile with the inauguration just 12 days away, trump today announced he will not be attending the inauguration. joe biden seemed to be fine with that decision. >> one of the few things he and i have ever agreed on -- it's a good thing him not showing up. >> earlier you said you hoped he would show up only in a sense it was valuable to send a signal to the world about the transfer of power. you've clearly changed your perspective on that. >> because he's clearly demonstrated, he's exceeded even my own worst notions about him. he's been an embarrassment to the country. >> what about the vice president mike pence? >> he's welcome. >> and with that let's bring in our lead off guests on this friday night, susan page, veteran journalist, best selling author, usa today washington bureau chief. peter baker, chief white house correspondent for "the new york times."
and john meacham, pulitzer prizewinning author, the professor on the american presidency at vanderbilt, unofficial advisor to the president-elect, and once again relevant to this conversation both peter and john are among the authors of the book, "impeachment and american history." here we are again. well, susan, you get the big starting question tonight, the task of summing up as a long time washingtonian, as a citizen of this country how it felt to watch what transpired in the capitol this week. and further, and this may call for speculation, what's the real chance this guy not serving out his term? >> you know, i've covered six presidents. i've seen assassination attempts, launches of war, disputed elections, impeachments two of them already. but i've never seen anything as shocking as what we saw on
wednesday. marauders rushing through the congress, some of them armed carrying ties apparently to take hostages while members of congress fled, cowered, it was, i've just never seen anything like it. it was distressing and historic and will have ramifications for i think a very long time for our democracy. i think at this point it's going to be hard to keep the house of representatives from impeaching president trump probably toward the end of next week. i think there's a feeling that it's not just to remove him from office. he's only got 12 more days left. it's to make a point that his role in this was simply unacceptable and deserves history's rebuke. >> peter baker, there are real nixonian concerns about the president's mental state, about
the number of departures from the circle immediately around him. so the question can fairly be asked. who's going to be left around him to watch him in the west wing? >> yeah, it's a great question. there was such an exodus this week of top aides and administration officials and cabinet officers in the immediate aftermath of the mob that you began to wonder who would be left. the white house seemed to be emptying out. that caused a lot of consternation among republicans and even some democrats who were worried that in fact as tempting as it was for people to leave in protest, say they didn't want to work there anymore, there was value in sticking it out these final two weeks just to watch the store, if you will. to make sure government is simply running if nothing else and perhaps to serve as some sort of a break on any further erratic action by the president. you had people like i talked this week to former secretary of state rice and she was concerned
the national security team would not disappear with two weeks left because who knows what mischief could be caused by our adversaries overseas thinking we're in a period of instability. you're in an extraordinary moment, where not only as susan aptly described, we've not only had this devastating really unprecedented attack on the symbol of our democracy, you also have sort of a melt down on the other end of pennsylvania avenue in the white house where nobody's quite sure who's running the government. and if so, what will happen in these next last 12 days. >> jon meacham, we've been looking to talk to you this week. though, there's no joy in asking this next question, and that is i want to measure your level of sadness, your level of worry for our country as you along with the rest of us watched these rioters in, you know, cabela's bass pro shops camo and red
hats, as susan mentioned a lot of them armed with zip ties. said to be on the look out for the sitting vice president and the speaker. hoisting the confederate flag inside the u.s. capitol, having set up a noose on capitol grounds in the parking lot. >> the social contract is if not broken, frayed. and this is the fullest manifestation of that over the last five years. it has been unspooling. you have done this every day for x-number of days telling this story, chronicling this flight from fact, flight from evidence, flight from truth however inconvenient to a self-serving vision of reality where power is more important than principle. and the mob which was figurative until wednesday has become the literal guiding force in the republic.
and, you know, one way to think about civilizational structures is we have a state of nature -- thomas hobbes wrote about that, the state of nature is the war of all against all. the point of civilization is to enter into a social contract where we cede certain rights in exchange for certain protections. the entire notion of how we organize ourselves as non-hobbesian entities is really under assault. and it's not hyperbolic. there's nothing -- we're beyond hyperbole if that's possible. and again without being too sentimental, it was heart breaking to watch that. and it was particularly heart breaking because it's -- there seemed to be so little resistance. it seemed they felt entitled to
do what they did. they felt empowered to do what they did. soldiers have died, protesters have bled in search of a more perfect union, in search of a democratic world where the values of faith, hope and charity would have at least a fighting chance against our appetites and our ambitions. that's one of the points of america. and it's -- as disheartening and dispiriting and disturbing a moment as certainly in my lifetime with the possible exception of the attacks and the murder of innocents on september 11th. >> well, susan, having heard jon lay out the stakes, can you explain the remaining trumpers in the house and senate? when you look at this presidency one way, he leaves office, the democrats control the white
house, the house and the senate. what explains the lingering allure of trumpism and trump loyalty? >> well, one factor is that he has simply remade the republican party in his image. this is different republican party than it was five years ago before he came on the scene. and even now in the wake of this week's terrible news, 77% of republicans say they approve of the job that president trump is doing. that's in a new pbs maris poll that came out today. 77% still approve. 83% don't want him removed from office. he continues to have standing in the gop even though we've seen some erosion from some members, republican members of congress and some business leaders and others. i think that the supporters of president trump continue to believe he speaks to them, he stands up for them, and he's telling them the truth when everybody else is lying to them.
and that is perhaps one of the biggest challenges that joe biden is going to face when he takes office in just 12 days. >> peter baker, your colleagues at the paper report this tonight. "behind closed doors, he, donald trump, made clear he would not resign. and he expressed regret about releasing that video on thursday committing to a peaceful transition of power and condemning the violence at the capitol that he had egged on a day before. in fact, in his last video he called the rioters special and expressed his love for them. peter, lay out how you view his presidency, and when those cannons sound at the conclusion of the oath on the 20th of january, a few minutes past noon. they're usually audible throughout washington. is this guy going to be on a golf course in florida?
>> well, he will not be here to hear the cannons, that's for sure. he's already told us as you showed earlier that he doesn't plan to attend the inauguration of joe biden, and joe biden as you obviously showed is not that upset about it. it's the first time, by the way, a sitting president has boycotted in effect or skipped the swearing in of his successor since andrew johnson who jon meacham wrote about in our book on impeachment. not parallel you would have wanted but he was impeached too, and i suppose there's a certain synergy there. at this point his discussion to leave washington altogether, to leave the white house january 19th, the day before the inauguration so he won't even be here when the bidens are moving in. and i think between now and then we don't know exactly what's going to happen. there's talk of him going to texas in this coming week to the border to highlight his immigration policies. he's making another video to promote the accomplishments of his administration as he sees them. if you talk to people who work
there both currently and who have left in recent days there's such a demoralized spirit. people who gave years of their life to this president and feel completely betrayed. the accomplishments he wants to tout in his video to them feel like they've been all wiped out. this is such a defining failure on the part of this president no matter what you thought of before, no matter what good things you thought he might have did, they seem to be overwhelmed and overshadowed and really wiped out for the sake of history by this event this week if this is how he's going to be going down in history. for people who work for him and people who never liked him to begin with, it's been a crushing week, and i think the one consistent note you hear from most people in washington except for blood relatives and most partisan people is you can't wait for january 20th for this to be over. >> yeah, this was a legacy event, no question about it. hey, jon, david leonhardt of "the new york times" as i like to say pulled a meacham this
morning. i read the following -- in the four months between franklin roosevelt's election and his 1933 inauguration much of the world descended into chaos. adolf hitler took power in germany and the reichstag, the parliament building, burned. japan quit the league of nations. in the u.s. hundreds of banks shutdown, lynches surged in the south, the country numb and nearly broken anxiously awaited deliverance as david kennedy wrote in his pulitzer prizewinning history of the era. beyond telling your friend david to skate his lane, this is usually your role on this broadcast and others on this network to tell us, to reassure us, to remind us only that things have been worst -- worse in the past. is that still your view? >> well, not necessarily they've been worse but that they've been bad and we've come through it. and we've come through it
because just enough of us were devoted to this notion that, in fact, we are stronger together as a whole as opposed to seeing politics as this perpetual clash of interests. franklin roosevelt the night he took the oath on the east front of the capitol, he went back to the white house and like a good episcopalian he was having a glass of whiskey and going to bed. one of the brain trusters came to him and said mr. president, if you succeed in this you'll go down as greatest president and if you fail you'll go down as our worst. and fdr looked at him and said if i fail, i'll go down as our last. i don't feel that level of existential crisis for president-elect biden. i think that the reaction is a good sign-in terms of the horror the country seems to be addressing this moment.
but here's the thing with all respect to my lane which i love. to some extent the more important question tonight and in the coming season is less about how history will view what's happened this week and more about the unfolding story of what do people who decided to make their peace with donald trump not once but twice in two national elections, millions upon millions of people, what do they do now? are we so desensitized to genuinely transformative public events that somehow or other in the span of a couple of days, couple of weeks this is going to be, well, maybe the liberals were exaggerating, or you could just see how sort of that part
of the political swamp and forest will try to change the perception of this. but this was a fundamental reality. and if a country does not begin again to see that politics is about the mediation of differences and the resolution of problems for a given period of time and not a sherman-esque arena for total constant warfare, then this is just a chapter in an unfolding story. it's not the last chapter. and i think that's what all of us as citizens and not as journalists or historians, as citizens we have to think about is do we want to live in a world where politics is so consuming and so divisive and so ultimately depleting that it keeps us from addressing things like, oh, i don't know, a global pandemic that killed 4,000 people today in america?
this isn't -- this is not an academic conversation. this isn't something you're doing to fill your broadcast. we are facing a deadly virus, a rise in political violence. there are people who are suffering who like the great depression are seeing their future slip away, their inability to provide for their families. this isn't paint ball. this isn't pro-wrestling. this isn't fund-raising texts. these are people breaking into the capitol with guns killing a police officer and distracting the republic from addressing fundamental questions about the health, safety and security of millions of people. >> jon, thank you for that. thank you for setting our thinking right as we say farewell to what was a pretty awful week. susan page, peter baker, jon meacham, we're in your debt for helping us start off our broadcast on this friday night. thank you.
coming up, we'll go behind the curtain. we will sadly dive into the murk of the dark web and find out what the rioters who stormed the capitol are saying now and what they could do next. and later, they were once the president's greatest defenders. some of them outright sold their souls and their seats in congress to donald trump. but now begins the great migration as they start to distance themselves from their president. "the 11th hour" is just getting under way on this friday night as we bring this consequential week to an end. see every delivery...
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i believe that some of the delays we're seeing and some of the leaders being arrested is because i think the fbi is looking at very serious charges of inciting riot and even worse than that. and of course we've lost a capitol police officer, so there will be a murder charge on somebody. but i think grand juries are being convened. i think indictments are going to come down. >> and the consequences have
begun. justice department says 13 people thus far have been charged in federal court with crimes related to wednesday's riot and looting at our capitol. doj says richard barnett of arkansas, the man with his feet up on the desk in the speakers office, he's been arrested, faces several charges including violent entry, theft of public property. nbc news reporting the extremists made little secret of their plans online. quote, users talked for weeks about a siege of the capitol. some talking about it like a forgone conclusion. others simply debated how violent the uprising should be and if police should be exempt. well, for more we're happy to welcome to the broadcast, jen golbeck, an expert in malicious online behavior and a professor at college for information studies university of maryland. we welcome back clint watts. former fbi special agent, distinguished research fellow at foreign policy research
institute, also the author of the recent book "messing with the enemy, surviving in a social media world of hackers terrorists, russians and fake news." professor, welcome to the broadcast, i'd like to begin with you. how far in advance did you see this coming? even i saw some of the storm the capitol memes. some of them were emblazoned on the t-shirts of the rioters while they were in the capitol. >> that's right. we saw this for weeks leading up to january 6. we knew this march was going to happen, and it wasn't just in the dark web in these kind of not very popular forums. it was on twitter, on facebook, on instagram that we saw people planning to attend this march talking about their plans to storm the capitol. and as you led with in this segment talking about how many people they were going to kill and how it was going to happen. so it's something i think a lot of us saw and expected -- i don't know we expected it to actually make it in but
certainly that they were going to try. >> and clint, will they all in your view and given your experience with the fbi, will they all be found and tried? >> yes, brian. one of the great ironies about the anti-mask movement it leaves them highly vulnerable to being detected with face recognition or followed up with just surveillance footage across the country. i think that's what you saw today not just from the fbi internally. they've got great mechanisms to do this. they do this all the time. but you also have a crowd source community that's very angry online combing through all these pictures because the perpetrators were up loading them onto social media, so they're actually putting evidence about their own crimes, which is from an investigator's perspective very unusual but also quite fortunate you can track a lot of these people down. so i think in the coming weeks
you will see a continuous stream of arrests that continue. the big thing is a lot of these folks scattered afterwards, went back to their hometowns in many different states so it will take some time to get all those i.d.s and trace these people out. >> now it gets confusing because some online in the maga crowd have seemingly turned against their leader, their president. they're shocked apparently to find out he's only going to serve one term. so does that militarize the movement somehow absent the founder? >> we're really seeing a fracturing right now just in the last day or so since trump gave his speech yesterday. there's a big feeling of betrayal that they have put the lives on the line and really committed and all of a sudden he's going to go away. a lot of the people at the capitol on the 6th are believers in the qanon conspiracy theory.
their line has been trust the plan. they thought there was a secret plan going to happen. and now it's kind of dawning on them that's not something that's going to come through. and they're also seeing the movement itself turning on them with a lot of the acts at the capitol being attributed to antifa. i think what they wanted was to be embraced as patriots defending their country and now republicans are denouncing them and the president is sort of denouncing them and within the movement they're being denied and saying it was actually somebody else. so i think that's making a lot of them less enthusiastic about the action they had been really committed to up until wednesday. >> both guests have agreed to stay with us as we fit in a break. and coming up in our conversation, after wednesday's seditious show of force, the looting and desecration of our capitol, what the camo and zip tie forces are looking at as their next possible outing.
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do you think you need to change any of the planning for your inauguration as a result of this? >> totally different entity is in charge of the inauguration than was in charge of protecting the capitol, the secret service. i have great confidence in their ability to make sure that the inauguration goes off, goes off safely and goes off without a hitch.
>> now, to the point the president-elect was making today, security concerns about the inauguration should be somewhat lessened because it will be declared a national security special event. that means tons of law enforcement, lots of eyes in the sky from satellites to drones to helos. still with us jen golbeck and clint watts. and professor, back to you again. despite the fact some of the rioters have been disincentivized in part politically because republicans were eager to put the blame on antifa, some are still incentivized. talk about these planned events. one was mentioned in a twitter statement tonight, a gathering on the 17th. there's a gathering on the 19th. what is the plan and among who? >> so on the 17th we've seen
something planned from before wednesday for armed groups, and it comes from some militia groups and some second amendment enthusiasts to march both on the federal capitol in d.c. but also on state capitals. so gatherings and marches, the point being to show up armed for those. now they've come out since the 6th and said we're not going to do what was done on the 6th, but they are really explicitly planning to show up with guns, so that's something to be concerned about. the 19th and the 20th are much more the kind of element that we saw on the 6th. they're really angry about the election. they feel it was stolen. they're also planning in these forums to show up armed, and so i think if that manifests and things can really change a lot in the, you know, couple of weeks we have going, what we're going to see a much smaller contingent but one that's angrier and potentially prepared for violence. we certainly see that in the tweets where there's language like i'm willing to lay down my
life for this. if this is what it comes to i'm going to joy my last cup of coffee today before i get ready to do this. so i think the fbi is going to look into who these people are and trying to stop it. but we also need to pay attention to those actions going on at state capitals where there's plans to carry out these kinds of activities. >> clint, i always note your unit flags on the wall behind you starting at your days from west point on through your service at the army and the fbi. you have seen terrorism beyond our borders. how does it look to you within this country legitimized by the leader? >> brian, it's remarkable. if you rewound 10 years, we'd be talking about anwar al aqi, essentially inciting people to do attacks in the u.s. homeland, telling people to attack symbolic targets, maybe the capitol. possibly trying to hit soft targets in the united states.
if i went into the online forums today i would see the same thing being said by domestic actors, militia groups, extremist groups, accelerationist terrorists who want to speed up a second civil war. and the tipping and queuing they look for is from the president. president trump's words carry more in that space than anyone else's. and i think your point even before the commercial break what you were talking about what the future looks like is one thing interesting is the president is what united many disparate groups over the last several years. one of my colleagues made an excellent piece a couple years back, you have antigovernment folks, you have sovereign citizen type groups. you have just people that want to go against more establishment government all showing up under one leader, and that's president trump. he really binds them together. so i think moving forward what you do have a problem with now is many of these people that perpetrated these attacks at the capitol, they are now heroes in
their community. as extreme as they are, they will be seen as heroes. and once they get that just bite of fame, if they're not in jail, i think that's something to worry about particularly as we move into the summer and fall of this coming year. >> glad you added the caveat of, if they're not in jail. our thanks for coming on tonight and explaining all of this to us and our audience, professor jen golbeck and clint watts. thank you so much. coming up for us, one of our next guests coined the phrase everything trump touches dies. he wrote a book with that title. the other said those who stay with trump should be forced to stay on the bus until the end. rick wilson along with baratunde thurston when we come back. robinhood believes now is the time to do money.
pleased with lindsey graham's 11th hour decision to go ahead and uphold the results of our election. all it took for graham to change his mind was the looting and desecration of the capitol. and that was all it took for a leading trump supplicant like graham to come under fire from the base as if four years of boot licking gets you nothing in this day and age. back with us again tonight baratunde thurston, author, activist, producer for the daily show with trevor noah. these days host of the podcast "how to citizen." and rick wilson, long time republican strategist who's since left the party. he's an author and happens to be the co-founder of the lincoln project. gentlemen, welcome to you both. rick, i have to begin with you because of twitter's decision tonight to kick off donald trump. does trump without twitter now mean republicans without fear, meaning is rob portman going to
emerge from the witness protection program? is nikki haley going to say she never did like trump? >> brian, in the last five years i cannot tell you the number of times republican elected officials have said to me, i hate him, i can't stand him, he's destroying the country. but if i say that, he'll tweet about me and end my career. well, folks, now your excuses are expired. he does not have a twitter account. the bull horn is broken, the platform is shattered. he can't strike you down if you say what's in your hearts. i encourage my former republican friends to step out of the darkness now. you've got that moment. >> baratunde, it's good to see you. we've already seen some legacy repair work by lindsey graham. we've already seen some legacy repair work by the likes of pence, mcconnell. will it work any of it? >> i doubt it. i understand their fear, and i
want to thank you for having me back. i wore a sweater tonight because america needs a nice, big warm hug after the violent week we barely survived. so congrats, everyone, to making it to friday just so. donald trump is not merely a president or a politician or a powerful figure. he has become a cult leader, and there are millions and millions of people who have bought into the deception he's wrought, that the republican party has amplified, right wing media has powered and enabled along with social media because it was profitable to do so. there was profit in serving up those lies and now people are living with the consequences of those lies. many of us knew it years going in. there were chances to get off this bus in helsinki, at charlottesville, and people said, no, i'm going to go over the cliff. in these last hours i would urge anyone who has the power to stay and defend the republic, now's your chance to do that. that's the only purpose you can
serve right now. the 25th amendment and preserve the safety and functioning and operation of the u.s. government until it's in good hands again. >> rick wilson, your name was almost invoked tonight on twitter by the likes of jason miller. this was tweeted out by annie karni of "the new york times." how the resignations and disavowals are playing inside the building. they're bottom feeders says jason miller. the dems with hate them, the trump base is going to hate them for being rats jumping ship. i guess they're auditioning for jobs at the lincoln project. rick, are you guys hiring? >> i don't know what jason miller, who could never pass a personal screening. we don't have on our short list of personnel requirements deadbeat dads who give strippers abortion pills. it's just not on my list of requirements at the moment. but we're flattered by jason's attention because we know it's been in his head for about a year now. but speaking of rats, you know,
there's no benefit in being the last rat as the ship explodes. >> baratunde, let's talk about what we witnessed this week but more importantly what we've witnessed over the past year. the looting and desecration of the capitol, aka, the white privilege jamboree has us thinking in a different way. let's spend a minute talking about black voters in this country, the earnest, honest, church going, poll going voting group that more than any other single voting group saved the biden campaign, elected joe biden as president of the united states, and in their spare time oh, by the way earlier this week flipped control of the senate from republicans to democrats. i yield my time to you and your sweater. >> thank you, brian, a great
setup. rick, amazing sick burn with the miller situation. black people have been in this country since the start of this country. and you don't get to be more american than being owned by a america. so we have some special rights of memory, of belonging to this place. and i am in awe of the people that i am privileged to be a part of at how we consistently show up for a place that consistently tries to remind us we're not welcome. and it sometimes feels like year dragging america kicking and screaming toward it's own creed, toward it's own beautiful words and documents, none more personified than this week with everything you said about the electoral results especially in georgia, especially given who reverend warnock is, who his ancestors were. and for that very same week to have a confederate flag waved
inside the u.s. capitol, so many died, so many bled to silence that rebellion and that flag and that undermining. and we still live in the shadows of that civil war with disproportionate voting and access to political power granted to people who lost that war. with false participation trophies of confederate memorials propped up for traitorous losers to that civil war. all this in one week because america is nothing if not a place of contradictions. ugly, yes, but also beautiful. and so to my fellow black americans, you're beautiful, thank you. we can still keep showing up, and we need the rest to show up, too, and that includes the republicans who remain. stand for the country. opt back in. join us as we've been fighting this a long time.
get on board. >> beautifully put. rick wilson, i can offer you the last word. in 30 seconds, how should people process what i've been calling the great migration, this movement of people away from donald trump, people who heretofor have signed over their seats in congress to him? >> the transferrence of their souls back into their bodies is going to be a painful process. and it's not going to be without a political and personal and moral cost. i encourage them to take the right steps. if you wanted to see people truly make a step towards reforming their reputations in the white house, the administration either quit or invoke the 25th. do it tonight. don't wait. every minute that passes does not improve your chances of being readmitted into society. it lessens them. >> two gentlemen who are both friends of this broadcast. both own the best sweaters and have the best words. baratunde thurston, rick wilson. gentlemen, thank you both. have a good weekend unless you
vaccines give us hope, but the rollout has been a travesty. this will be the greatest operational challenge -- the greatest operational challenge we will ever face as a nation. >> as we break, yet another death toll record today, a look at the uncontrolled pandemic robbing us of another 4,000 citizens on a daily basis now and what you need to know about the vaccines when we come right back.
last thing before we go tonight and as prepare to give way and leave you to your weekend, we're duty bound to return to the dark and slow-moving storm that is keeping so many of us inside and out of circulation during this winter. that would be the uncontrolled pandemic. joe biden pledged again today to rev up vaccine production and distributions, get it into arms. because now that the vaccine is out, it's already bogged down. our report tonight from nbc news correspondent stephanie gosk. >> reporter: for the first phase of vaccinations it was clear who was going first. front line medical workers and residents of long-term care facilities. but now the order and the rollout are getting more complicated. >> i know we're not a doctor or
a nurse or an ambulance driver, but we are touching people. you know, their wheelchairs, their walkers. >> reporter: 68-year-old sheila graham drives patients to get treatment in new jersey. she has no idea when she'll qualify for the vaccine. >> i am concerned because there have been a number of people at this job, drivers especially who have been exposed. >> reporter: with each state controlling how vaccines are given, there's a patchwork of plans. >> people just don't know where they are in line, and if they are up for the shot where to go and how to figure that out. >> reporter: she's 88 years old and lives in albany new york. she knows she qualifies for a vaccine. >> at my age i really would like to have the vaccine yesterday. >> reporter: but she doesn't really understand what's supposed to happen next. >> i have not heard of a definitive time table in this
area for my group, for the over 70 people. >> reporter: some states including texas have announced that everyone 65 and older is eligible for vaccination. >> my phone has been blowing up with citizens calling who are over 65 trying to find out how they get the vaccine. >> reporter: but there are still hundreds of first responders waiting for their vaccines in johnson county, texas. emergency manager jamie moore personally knocked on pharmacy doors looking for doses. >> can you afford to be getting in your car and knocking on pharmacy doors? >> well, i mean the truth of the matter is that we have to do what we have to do. >> reporter: for now there is only a limited supply of vaccines. >> can we go get it right now? do we have first choice? >> reporter: and there's plenty of confusion. stephanie gosk, nbc news, new york. >> that is our broadcast for this friday night, for this first full week of the new year. our thanks for being here with
us. as we like to say, please have a good weekend unless you have other plans. on behalf of all my colleagues at the networks of nbc news, good night. the minister called and said is, you need to come home. you never think had you will see your parents home taped off with that tape. >> as i started up stairs, it was blood on the walls. >> it was a brutal crime scene, one of the worst i have seen. >> a loving couple, dead. was the killer one of the family? >> he said they arrested matt, and i said, matt who? and he said our cousin matt. this case was not solved one tiny clue didn't fit at all.