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xavier becerra, thank you so much for being on, ending on a hopeful note this morning. >> thank you. >> that does it for us this morning, what a week it's been, next week be sure to be tuning in to "morning joe," we'll be following it all. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. hi there, i'm stephanie ruhle. it is friday, january 15th and this morning our nation's capitol is on lockdown, fears that right wing extremists, american extremists could attack d.c. and state capitols in the days ahead. they are testing law enforcement in ways we have not seen in decades, in fact, nbc news has just learned that a rehearsal for joe biden's inauguration was pushed back from sunday to monday because of security concerns. take a look at these scenes, straight out of a fictional war movie, thousands of national guard troops pouring into washington with 21,000 expected to be there by inauguration day. those troops will be armed and authorized to use deadly force.
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in other words, the inauguration, which is traditionally considered a giant celebration of our nation, is going to look more like an armed camp. the national mall could be shut down. downtown train stations and parking garages will be closed. and if you are inside the inauguration perimeter expect to be stopped and questioned. fbi director chris wray explained the show of force when he met with vice president pence last night. >> are seeing an extensive amount of concerning online chatter is the best way i would describe it about a number of events surrounding the inauguration. we've got to disrupt any attempt, or attack. our posture is aggressive. it's going to stay that way through the inauguration. >> according to nbc that chatter includes calls for violence against government officials and advance on making and concealing home made weapons but there is reason to hope that the massive security response may work and prevent attacks on the
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inauguration. experts tell "the washington post" that some extremist leaders are calling for followers to hold off on traveling to d.c. next week, but that is raising concerns that extremists may simply go after federal buildings in their home states. to protect against that states of emergency have been declared in virginia, new mexico and utah. additional security is in place in places like ohio and michigan. and the governors of kentucky and california are bringing in the national guard to help secure their capitols. this is happening. i want to dig deeper and bring in ellison barber in d.c. tell us what's happening on the ground in d.c. that scene doesn't look like anything we've ever seen before. >> reporter: when you talk to people who have been to inaugurations in the past, people who live in d.c., whether they've lived here five years or 50 years it is hard to find anyone who remembers seeing something like this. there are security check points with law enforcement soldiers
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blocking off roads to create a security perimeter that essentially encompasses almost all of capitol hill and most of downtown d.c. if you look over here at the u.s. capitol, it is essentially a fortress. there are barricades, nine, ten feet tall. you see standing there secret service, capitol police, armed soldiers. we have seen them standing marching patrolling all around the united states capitol. the national guard says they have 7,000 airmen and soldiers on the ground right now. they are going to be adding to that, getting those numbers up to 21,000 by the times the inauguration day. the d.c. chief of police has said that he is worried about security threats today, this weekend, all the way through inauguration day. there are ongoing discussions right now as to whether or not public gathering, first amendment permits should be allowed. and even discussions about restricting and prohibiting the general public from gathering on
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the national mall come inauguration day. stephanie? >> look at that empty street right there, we knew there was already going to be restrictions in place because of covid. and you know i always talk about money, that street right there, and any other inauguration year, would be filled with tourists, concession stands, people selling inauguration 2021 t-shirts. think about all of those businesses depending on that, that is gone. why? domestic terror threats. daja, take us to michigan, all year long we have seen armed protests there. there was a domestic terror plot to kidnap the governor. how worried are they where you are about new violence? >> reporter: stephanie, good morning. it's a miserable start to the day here with something that looks like snow but is not quite snow as this capitol prepares for what may come ahead of inauguration day. there are serious concerns from lawmakers about safety because of that history that you mentioned, the history of threats, the history of armed
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protests here. in terms of security precautions, some are being made public, some are being held pretty close to the vest but one thing you're going to start to see here shortly this morning is a fence is being installed around the capitol. you see some work trucks here behind me, the work just started here moments ago. one of the michigan capitol commission members said that the last time they built out one of these fences was in the mid-1990s when the kkk rallied here. on top of that you're going to see an increased police presence here. earlier this week the michigan capitol commission passed a ban on open/carry at the capitol. michigan, of course, is an open carry state as we know from the images we've seen all of 2020. it's one of the few capitols that does historically allow firearms at the capitol but some lawmakers say the commission didn't go far enough in just banning open carry because concealed carry is still allowed. there are no metal detectors in this capitol. some lawmakers have still
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seriously concerned about their safety. one senator went to a military surplus store to buy a helmet, pepper spray and other protective equipment. in a little bit we'll get a briefing from law enforcement to learn more about what they expect. sunday is the day they are expecting demonstrations here at the capitol. stephanie? >> day dasha, thank you. i want to turn now to bill bratton, executive chairman of tanao risk. chris wray said one of the real challenges is trying to distinguish between threats that are aspirational and intentional. how do you do that? >> with great difficulty. part of what they're dealing with is really tens of thousands of messages they're trying to sort through so they have a phenomenal challenge ahead of them. good news is, that they have a pretty good inventory of the characters that they're very concerned with so they can sort those out very quickly and
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prioritize those who have in the past exhibited these types of tendencies or threats or activities. >> the good thing about them communicating on platforms like parler and twitter, you can follow this chatter. does it concern you that that crackdown is now sending them to other online sites that are harder to track. >> it's the same issue we had back in 2015 trying to track isis, we were doing a pretty good job of being able to track them through social media. that's what they were interacting with but they quickly basically moved to encrypted messaging and then we lost them. similarly here, twitter, facebook, the rest of them, open sources of information for us, to gather and analyze intelligence, they're no longer there so the task becomes much more difficult. >> generally speaking how would you compare this to the threats we saw from isis, how would you characterize these domestic extremists right now? >> this is worse.
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isis was trying to inspire, they had great difficulty trying to get cells into the country. they had to rely on inspiration, home grown. they were recruiting. this time in our history, they're not just recruiting, they're already here by the tens of thousands in organized ways. so i would argue that this is much worse than the isis international terrorism threat. this is us, this is america today which is unfortunate, it's very troubling time. >> let's talk about some of those americans because we have seen a ton of headlines about police officers taking part in last week's violent attack. that has to be particularly troubling because we spent a lot of 2020 talking about the need to improve relations between police and the communities they serve. this absolutely doesn't help that. >> this is certainly a complicating factor, the idea of officers who are violating their oaths either at the federal level, local level, state level. so that is of concern going
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forward but i think we'll find that the vast, vast, vast majority of american law enforcement and military will adhere to those oaths and that's a good thing because that's going to be vitally necessary to get this epidemic of home grown terrorism under control. >> this epidemic didn't start in the las week. there were extraordinary warnings that this was coming. the fact that we've been able to organize this show of force in this short amount of time, what does that tell you about how ill prepared flat footed we were a week ago? >> i think for this particular event on january 6th we're going to find as investigations go forward that there's going to be a lot of blame to go around. i can't think of another event in which the intelligence was not used correctly to plan and prepare. we're going to find that something went wrong, desperately wrong in washington, for this event. we're learning from that, thank god, it happened before the inauguration, so everything you just described as to what's
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going on in washington now is being dictated by the intelligence and the response of that intelligence. but it's not going to end on january 20th, unfortunately, like 9/11, set the stage for years of dealing with international terrorism. we are now into a prolonged period of dealing with home grown domestic terrorism and it's being fueled by so many of our nation's politicians. it's amazing. it's very disheartening. >> for the most part, law enforcement at the capitol last week did not use deadly force. we know that one of the rioters was killed. if they had, how bloody could last week have been? >> it could have been incredibly bad because we really -- new videos coming out showing people in tactical gear, moving in military style formation, s.w.a.t. style formations, how
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were they armed? we really don't know. we do know a number of people were arrested with significant armament with them, basically pistols, molotov cocktails. if there was more gun power to -- who knows what type of response that might have elicited. capitol police should be commended for all that we're seeing on these videos that they were dealing with their own lives being threatened for the reluctance and, in fact, the total lack of use of force with the exception of that one officer who may have, in fact, ended up stopping a more bloody set of occurrences from occurring. >> let's talk specifically about security in washington right now. we see these national guardsmen and women across d.c. it is a visible show of force. tell us what's going on behind the scenes. >> well, behind the scenes, well there's multiple streams going
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on, multiple investigations under way as to what happened, multiple investigations into the events of the inaugural event, a repeat of the 6th, there's a lot more coordination and cooperation. you visibly saw the vice president of the united states, pence, at that meeting with chris wray and other officials, something that did not occur before january 6th. so behind the scenes there's a lot of collaboration, coordination, setting up joint operation centers, reaffirming chain of command. and i would advocate that there be more public presentations by the head of the fbi, by the vice president for that matter, by the people who are in charge so that the public has a higher degree of confidence, that they are collaborating, they are cooperating and despite the tension between the outgoing administration, the incoming administration, the transition of power, that they are all working together, i think we need to see more of that. yesterday i was very heartened
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by that video of that collaboration meeting with the vice president. >> always good to see you, thank you so much for joining us. i appreciate it. still ahead, congressman tim ryan is here. he heads the committee that funds that capitol police force. i want to ask him about the fears more and more of his colleagues are talking about when they say they are currently worried that their own colleagues could kill them. but first, with 4,000 people dying every single day from the coronavirus it is no surprise that president-elect biden's first priority is covid relief. but he's also talking about child poverty. he's taking it on. we're going to dig in with a member of biden's council of economic advisers next. of economic advisers next rade mobile app? yeah, actually i'm taking one last look at my dashboard before we board... and you have thinkorswim mobile- -so i can finish analyzing the risk on this position. you two are all set. choose the app that fits your investing style. ♪♪
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in this pandemic in america we cannot let people go hungry. we cannot let people get evicted. we cannot watch nurses, educators and others lose their jobs we so badly need them. we must act now, and act decisively. >> mike memoli will break this down for us. the recovery act, your next guest knows a lot about this as does joe biden who was, of course, the vice president at the time. there was a big debate internally about the price tag and keeping out under $1 trillion. now biden as the president-elect is talking about a rescue plan that is needed even before you can talk about a recovery plan and yes it has a big price tag $1.9 trillion. it breaks down into three different buckets, the pandemic spending aspect of it, direct relief to working families and
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also to small businesses and to local governments. let's take it one at a time here, that first bucket, the pandemic relief, we're going to hear the president-elect talk more about what a vaccination strategy nationwide today, costing upwards of $20 billion as part of a larger $400 billion package and then you talk about working families, and what do we see here, biden talking about $1,400 stimulus checks, that's in addition to the $600 that was part of the most recent recovery bill passed and signed into law. some debate there about whether he should be proposing an additional $2,000, and not just the $1,400 and the first significant increase in minimum wage in years and aid to small businesses, $350 billion, something biden feels very strongly about to help keep those frontline workers employed. local governments are really hurting through this pandemic. now, steph, a lot of reaction, of course, coming in, democrats largely applauding this, you're seeing positive statements from bernie sanders, there is some pushback about not having enough
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in terms of direct payments. already some pushback also from the right. you have marco rubio saying that biden should be proposing something that could move quickly on day one, which would be simply just those stimulus checks. he says it shouldn't be loaded up with a number of other progressive priorities. so just a taste of the arguments that are going to be coming in the coming weeks, steph. >> michael, thank you. funny that you say marco rubio because one part of this proposal, that many people are not talking about this morning, is something rubio has supported in the past. it's the american family act. it is part of biden's proposal. the american family act would expand the child tax credit to $3,000 per child and make it refundable. right now families living in the deepest poverty don't actually make enough money to get the tax credit. now they would. columbia university says this plan would cut the child poverty rate in this country by 40%. joining me now to discuss, a
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member of biden's council of economic advisers jared bernstein. people are going to look at this overall plan and say, man, that's a big price tag but let's look at the american family act as one part of it. right now it costs our country every year close to a trillion dollars just to address child poverty, to pour into a broken system that's not fixed. so put into context for us the price of this program and what we're currently spending. >> well, that's such a great point because one of the things that you have to consider when you're talking about going after child poverty the way this plan does and specifically the way this component of the plan does which expands the child tax credit significantly, especially for young children, is its lasting impact. you know, a kid who grows up in poverty has lifetime burdens that they face. now, these are devastating problems, and they're also
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highly gendered and highly racial. so if you help to reduce child poverty, you're not just helping that family and this economy today, you're doing so in perpetuity. so the idea that this plan will reduce, actually it's by half according to the columbia researchers child poverty would fall by 50% if we're able to expand this credit and i think that will not only have tremendous benefits today, but lasting benefits over the long term. >> if you don't care about it morally, pay attention to it economically. what do you think is the most important thing in this overall relief plan? >> i think the most important thing is the way the plan works together to finally, aggressively, efficiently go after the dual factors that have brought this country to the state that we've been in and of course those are the covid-19 virus and the economic crisis that it engendered.
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we have yet -- there has been a lot done so far and a lot of it has helped but we have clearly yet to do enough, especially in terms of virus control and now in terms of vaccine distribution to deal with that part of the crisis. and if you don't deal with that, you'll never reach the rescue and recovery part of the agenda that's so key to our incoming administration. so i think virus control, vaccine distribution, closely linked to economic relief, to households, to businesses, to states and localities, reopening schools, the way that works together in this plan, which is as you have been alluding to, is finally amply sized to get to those goals, i think that's the key part. >> such an important reminder, our economic crisis and our health crisis are directly linked. you cannot address one, you have to address both. this plan's got $20 billion for a national vaccination program
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but what does that actually look like? >> yeah, okay, so the vaccination program is a multifaceted piece of work that addresses the problem through a federal response that links to states and localities. it includes expanded testing. it includes mobilizing a public health jobs program of 100,000 health workers and it makes sure the community health centers are also involved in the effort. ramping up the distribution of the vaccine is, of course, a key part of this, but nearly tripling this public -- the role of public health workers and that's played by community health centers, that's going to include vaccine outreach, contact tracing and over the long term building up our public health capacity so it cannot only begin this process but that we can follow it through. >> does that mean you're going
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to start from scratch? currently contact tracing is failing, last year the trump administration had put together a covid tracking program that's not working. are you going to start from scratch? >> no, i think we're going to start from building on the parts of what we've done that have worked, as won't surprise you haven't really come very much from the federal sector at all where as you correctly pointed out, you know, basically the president hasn't paid, you know, any serious attention to this for as long as the crisis have lasted. but, if you go to the subnational level you'll see some very -- in various places some very effective efforts and one of the things that i know the president-elect does because i worked with him during the recovery act when he was on the phone to state and local leaders to make sure that was pl is he works closely with folks at the sub-national level. so the idea here is not to necessarily start from scratch but to build in what states and
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localities have done so far that's been effective and to finally get the federal government, putting the winds in their sails that they've lacked thus far. >> you've got a lot of money in here for state and local government, that's something republicans haven't liked in the past. i know georgia was a game changer in terms of the amount of control you have in government. but you still need to get a lot of republicans on board and already we said it before marco rubio is saying this thing is too ambitious. do you think you're going to have to cut some stuff out? >> i really -- you know, i know that that's a piece of conventional wisdom. i've heard it and i understand where it's coming from. i don't think it's correct. i'll tell you why. i don't care whether you're a democrat or republican, you want to get this virus under control. >> uh-huh. >> i don't care if you're in a red state or a blue state, you want -- you recognize the need to hugely ramp up vaccine distribution so that covid-19 is finally a distant memory. if you're a "d" or an "r," you want to open schools and open
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universities, you want parents to be able to access the child care they need. you want to reach small businesses, "d" or "r," you want to reach small businesses that haven't gotten nearly enough help. whether you're a democrat or republican governor, you don't want to lay off first responders, educators, essential workers. in fact, you want to rehire them. so there is so much common ground here, stephanie, that i am excited and i'm especially optimistic about the ability of one joe biden working with kamala harris to work across the aisle and make this happen. >> this isn't about "d" or "r," it is about "a," america, there's not a lot of programs -- >> oh, love it. >> -- that get support from the chamber of commerce and bernie sanders but that's what we've heard in the last 14 hours. >> let me say one other thing. there's been a lot of people pulling for this, your help has been extremely important. not only have you continued to amplify some of the things we're trying to do here but you've been in the weeds and you've talked about the very policies that have been knocking around
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for a long time and that we finally have been able to get together and put into a plan. i want to thank you for your advocacy as well. >> well, jared if you're going to compliment me there's always more time for that in our show. we're going to continue to cover this. do you know why? because policy matters. that's how people's lives change. jared, thank you for joining us, we're going to leave it there. next, some members of congress say they're worried their colleagues might kill them. let that sink in. i'll be asking congressman tim ryan who heads the committee that funds the capitol police what is fueling these fears and what they can do about it, what they need to do about it. your mission: stand up to moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis. and take. it. on... ...with rinvoq. rinvoq a once-daily pill can dramatically improve symptoms...
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i just remember, you know, people still swinging metal poles at us, and they were pushing and shoving, they were spraying us with, you know, bear mace and pepper spray. >> i was being beaten with a thin blue lawn flag and guys were trying to grab my gun and they were chanting kill him with his own gun. >> they were calling us traitors, shouting at us, telling us to remember our oath and eventually they attacked us. >> daniel hodges is the d.c. officer seen getting crushes in a doorway. >> i'm glad that video is viral, it shows you that we absolutely fought tooth and nail to keep the capitol safe, keep our congressmen safe. >> that was what it was like for capitol police officers to go face to face with the mob on the hill.
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beaten with a blue lives matter flag pole. right now i want to bring in ohio democratic congressman tim ryan, the chairman of the house subcommittee with juris diction over that police force, the capitol police. congressman, what's the latest into the investigation into last week's riots? >> well, you know, we're trying to do two things at the same time, stephanie, we're trying to make sure we're prepared for the inauguration, which is first and foremost, but also we're beginning the process of setting up a committee, a process to really look into all of this, both from the communication side, which i think was the big fail, and also the intel side, and why that all got so screwed up from the fbi piece, the sergeant at arms, the capitol police so we're going to be looking at all these videos. the fbi has over 100,000 pictures and videos that they have been sent. this is going to take a little bit of time but we have to -- we have to do it right. >> let's talk about planning the attack. i want to ask specifically about
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allegations that some members of congress gave tours to those pro-trump rioters the day before the attack. have you seen any hard evidence that supports these allegations? >> well, we have some idea that there were tours and, again, this is being investigated. we've got to balance this because we don't want to rush to judgment. just a member of congress giving a tour is not in and of itself some kind of criminal act. but there wasn't anyone else really in town then. you know, i mean, they're not giving general tours. you have to be a member of congress or staff to give the tour. and it was the day before this big rally. and we have some idea that it was some of the more conservative members of the congress. and there's an assumption there that some of those people may have been involved. now to what extent we don't know, but there was a good deal of knowledge that some people had about the capitol as to
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where to go and we want to know that if those tours were revealing to those people exactly where to go and how to get there. >> every time i hear the word conservative, more conservative members giving tours to pro-trump rioters i think we need to think about what the word conservative means because that act is nothing near conservative. i want to ask about a headline from my colleague, democrats fearing physical harm from their republican colleagues. do you know anything about this? do you feel this way? >> honestly, i personally don't feel this way. but i know there are a significant number of members who do feel this way, which means i need to be concerned about it and so should every other member of congress. when you have people that are this closely involved to the insurrectionists, when you have people this coordinated with the insurrectionists tweeting support for the insurrectionists
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and then wanting to carry a firearm into the house chamber after everything that just happened in that house chamber, where members of congress had their lives on the line, people coming ready to tie their hands and feet together and do god knows what, and then we ask them to go through a metal detector so that everyone in the community could be certain that they're going to be safe there, and they push their way around capitol police and around the metal detector. that brings a great deal of concern to me and others as to why you wouldn't participate after everything we just saw, and setting your phone and your keys or whatever on the side and walking through the metal detector for two seconds. i just think it's the height of selfishness, inconsideration, lack of citizenship and the lack of understanding and connection to what's happening in the country right now.
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just made everyone believe that they're somehow tied to what's going on. >> but are you not concerned about your personal safety because you're pretty moderate and you're 6'4" or is it because you believe your more conservative colleagues aren't that dangerous, which is it? >> well, i think they have -- the history in the last however many months and years has been targeting the squad, targeting aoc and these other members of congress who get a lot of death threats, who have a lot to deal with that happens behind the scenes because of the -- you know, the level of intensity that comes from some of these members of congress and other groups. so they're more in line to be targeted than some others. and i'm just trying to not overreact. but i also am in a position because of my chairmanship on the committee i have a responsibility to try to make sure every member is protected
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and feel safe and i'm going to make sure that that happens. democrat or republican. because some of these republicans who had the courage to go out and vote for impeachment because it was going to disenfranchise millions of african-americans and it was built on a lie and a house of cards, they need protection too and they're going to get it whether i'm a democrat or not. they're going to be protected as well. >> they're american lawmakers. congressman, thank you for joining me. coming up, the divide growing in the gop isn't just in washington. how americans feel about impeaching president trump and where the republican party goes from here. that i've started to do on ancestry. having ancestry to fill in the gaps with documents, with photographs, connecting in real time means that we're having conversations that are richer. i have now a closer relationship with my grandfather. i can't think of a better gift to give to my daughter and the generations that come after her. bring your family history to life like never before.
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surprise. but only 8% of republicans. and i promise, that's what republicans in the senate are paying attention to. let's go live to kristen welker at the white house. what is going on inside the white house, the pictures we've seen in the last 24 hours look like people are moving stuff out. >> reporter: that's right, steph, they are starting to move stuff out of the white house as president trump inches closer to leaving office. what's happening behind the scenes here, well i can tell you that president trump increasingly isolated from some of these top aides. but as you rightfully point out, steph, it's a very different picture when you look at that polling, the fact that the republican party is still very much the party of trump. and as you say that is going to loom over any trial in the senate. in terms of what president trump is doing here behind the scenes we know that he's increasingly talking about potential pardons of those close to him, potentially of himself, and so those are among the debates that are happening here, even as he really has a very small circle
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of people who are around him right now, steph. he's also slowly starting to put together a legal team but this is not like the first impeachment, steph, this is not like when legal advisers and lawyers were rushing to defend him. right now it's our understanding that there's really a very small number of lawyers, rudy giuliani among the names being discussed as being on his legal team and then we know that he is eyeing ways to try to revive his legacy, including potentially more speeches that would highlight what he sees as his key accomplishments but steph nothing on his public schedule. in fact, it's the vice president who we anticipate we'll see later today when he heads to a memorial service for chuck yager, the first pilot to break the sound barrier. and we'll turn to david brooks, "new york times" op-ed columnist, catch them both every friday night on "pbs newshour,"
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for brooks & capehart. jonathan to you, your take on impeachment and how it should play out and i don't mean like pie in the sky ideally, like really how. >> well, one president donald trump should have been impeached, deserved to be impeached and i'm glad he has been impeached. as to your question about what should happen in an ideal world i'm going to defy you stephanie i'm going to talk pie in the sky and then i'm going to get real. pie in the sky he should be tried, convicted an asterisk, yet another one put next to his name and then prevented from running for public office ever again. the problem, though, is, one, getting a senate trial, 17 republicans to provide 67 votes needed to convict him. i don't know if that's going to happen. the one silver lining is that senate majority leader mitch mcconnell has left it hanging
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out there that he could possibly vote to convict and if anything david and i both know and you know this stephanie as well senator majority leader mitch mcconnell doesn't say or telegraph anything he doesn't want said or telegraphed. >> mitch mcconnell is one strategic beast, david, what do you think? >> i think he should be impeached. i'm glad he was impeached. i think he should be convicted. i think there's no chance he will be convicted. they have to get 17 republican senators, mitch mcconnell would have to bring along a lot of people. i've been looking, talking to republicans and looking at sermons in the white church around the country this week, they are not bailing president trump, but they're bailing on the mob. what you see in pulpits across the country and in conservative homes are these intense and angry battles over what the republican party has become. and they're not angry at trump. but they do realize there's a cancer of derangement, of people who have simply left reality, and a lot of people who are
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still in reality community who might be quite conservative are appalled and they want to do something about that. the conflict isn't really over trump. it's about reality. and anger at violence, and so that's where the strife within the conservative movement is right now. >> but jonathan, why is there this need, this determination to impeach him so he can never run for office. why is there a huge threat that he'll win? yes, he won in 2016 and since then, every single thing that he has touched has lost. >> yet, he still got 74 million votes and to put a finer point on it, 10 million more votes than he got in 2016, despite charlottesville, despite bungling a global pandemic, despite aiding and abetting insurrectionists who stormed the u.s. capitol, albeit after he lost reelection. but anybody who had been paying attention to donald trump since he came down that escalator on
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june 16th, 2015 could see what was coming. i was one of those people who warned, this guy, the way he's talking, on the stump while running for president is dangerous. and what we saw happen on january 6th of this year, i had prayed would never happen, but it is here. and now it is imperative, imperative for the country to hold him accountable and responsible. but -- and also to hold those people who stormed the united states capitol to hold them accountable and hold them responsible because it's not just the president's supporters who he egged on to do this. what was on the table that day, and still is on the table, our democracy. >> then, david, where does the republican party go from here? a week ago you had trump supporters heckling mitt romney and lindsey graham in an airport. in the last 24 hours you saw
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republican senator james langford apologize to his own constituents, black residents in oklahoma because he questioned the presidential results. i know you're someone who celebrates the act of apologizing but who is the republican party right now, especially if the president does, in fact, get impeached by the senate. >> yeah, you know, i think a few things about the republican party. i think it's in a dangerous spot that may stay very trumpy and detached from reality and morally corosive. out parties tend to do well in bi-elections two years from now, republican party will do well, firm grip on the working class, latino swung toward republican party. they are possibly becoming the party of the diverse working class group. a lot of people just hate coastal educated class. and if the republican party is the engine of that then they're
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going to do okay and it doesn't matter how crazy it seems they get. we have two responsible parties in this country and right now we have two very powerful parties but one that's responsible, one that isn't. >> you gentlemen are going to have to come back because you need to explain to me again the party that's comprised of those who identify as white supremacists, and in that same group diverse working class. i'm not smart enough to understand that. at least not today. thank you both so much. i appreciate you joining me today. coming up next, by the end of today there could be as many as 390,000 u.s. deaths from coronavirus. and frustration is mounting over how hard it is for people who are actually eligible to get the vaccine. what needs to happen to get this rollout on track. not back on track, on track to begin with. ...vascepa can give you something to celebrate. ♪ vascepa, when added to your statin,...
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help protect your clothes with new downy defy damage. now to the latest on the coronavirus pandemic. here are the facts we know. the united states has reported more than 229,000 new cases on thursday and nearly 4,000 deaths. meanwhile, the u.s. has administered more than 10 million vaccine doses, that's just about a third of what's been distributed. this as last night president-elect biden unveiled his plan to launch a national vaccine program. i want to bring in dr. peter hotez, he is the co-director of the center for vaccine development at texas children's hospital, he is also the dean of the national school of tropical medicine at baylor university.
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i want to start right there. joe biden wants to vaccinate 100 million people in his first 100 days. is that possible? is it a realistic goal? >> well, we have to make it a realistic goal, stephanie. that's all we have left. you know, we've squandered every opportunity to control covid-19 in 2020 and so now we're backed into a corner. all we have left is to vaccinate our way out of it and, you know, we did an analysis with the university of new york to find we need to vaccinate three quarters of the american people, that's 240 million americans, say, by the end of august. when you do the back of the envelope calculations that's around -- with two-dose vaccines that's 2 million americans every day. so, yeah, that's what we have to do. and we don't have the infrastructure in place right now, so not much was done to create that infrastructure, we're going to have to expand additional vaccination sites, we have to stream line guidelines, make them less fussy and easier
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to understand and we're going to need more vaccines. we are not going to be able to do this with mrna vaccines alone. tall order and this has to be our national priority. >> this morning dr. fauci said there needs to be a whole lot better coordination between states and the federal government in the vaccine rollout. yes. of course. but is that something president-elect biden can fix on day one? >> well, you know, that was -- that was the plan, right, with getting someone like president biden and, you know, ron klain who was former ebola czar, the hope was that, you know, this is a team that's been around a bit and can hit the ground running on day one. unfortunately, you know, the president-elect has inherited a mess and he -- but that's the reality and this is going to have to be a change in the culture as well. we somehow have to get every elected official in the united states, every public official, to be able to articulate what they are doing to help vaccinate
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the american people. this has to be this level of community spirit and unity that we have not seen in decades, but it has to happen, otherwise look at the numbers. we are going to be at 400,000 americans who lose their lives by the inauguration. that's the number of american gis who sacrificed their lives in world war ii and the numbers go up from there. 500 -- 500,000, and then we will get to 640,000 which is the number of americans who lost their life in the 1918 flu pandemic. we can't let that happen. it will destabilize the country to the point where, you know, our homeland security is going to be jeopardized. so this is going to be the number one priority for the administration and he's putting a good team in place and i'm excited about that, but it's going to need an unprecedented level of selflessness and state and federal cooperation and also volunteerism. we're going to have to call on our retired nurses and docs and
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pas and health care providers to help out and maybe it will help unify the country, but we've got to do it. >> the heroes among us who have been fighting this virus since day one. again, president trump hasn't acknowledged corona in the last five weeks. this is the last friday of this administration. will we be taking on corona in a different way one week from now? all signs point to yes. that wraps up this hour, i'm stephanie ruhle. hallie jackson picks up breaking news coverage next. she will be joined by one of the impeachment managers, congresswoman stacey plas kit. m congresswoman stacey plas kit.
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security bulletin going out coast to coast with the nation's capitol here in d.c. looking more like an armed encampment this morning. tens of thousands of national guard troops posted up around the capitol and national mall, officials warning of possible loss of life, of armed conflicts. nbc news confirming this morning that sunday's rehearsal for the inauguration has now been delayed by at least a day. >> no specific credible threats but the chatter focused on that day is something we're paying close attention to. >> the show of force spreading beyond d.c. to all 50 states. officials anxious any attackers could feel emboldened now after the deadly capitol riots. this hour what's being done to prevent a rep


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