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still having to get used to the fact we're allowed to actually book government officials now. we were always calling them and asking them to be on the show. but now the white house doesn't intervene to stop government officials from coming on the show to explain what it is they're doing. i don't know how long it's going to take me to get used to this, but i hope it lasts. that does it for us tonight. thanks again to the cdc director for being here.
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now it's time for the "last word" with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence. >> good evening, rachel. so i'm wondering is this more or less homework for you? because back when you couldn't get the cdc director you would still have to do stories about it, and you'd have to try to figure out certain things that were not easily apparent. tonight you could actually go into that interview not knowing the answers to the questions because you're going to get actual answer tuesday the questions. >> well, the thing that -- i mean the thing that changes that you don't have to anticipate what the interviewee is going to say, what they think or what was their motivation because you can ask them directly. but you still need to know about the issues and you know how to follow up and press them on it. it is just being able to interview dr. fauci and dr. wolensky and, you know, you've been talking to the white house chief of staff ron klain, and
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andy slavitt has been on chris' show. being able to talk to the people who are making decisions about the decisions they're making particularly when the decisions are causing consternation like this issue of teachers not having to be vaccinated before schools reopen. it's just night and day in terms of actually understanding the government's take and being able to press them where they need to be pressed. >> i think everyone knows that it was a trick question. that, of course, there's no way rachel is going to find a way to do less homework for her show. that's just not gonna happen. >> work is a force that gives life meaning. that's true. that's true. >> for you, for you. thank you, rachel. >> thank you, lawrence. >> thank you. well, our first guest tonight was in the room today when the president and the vice president met the senate majority leader and the senate committee chairman who will have to do the heavy lifting to get
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their covid relief bill passed. it was an all democrats meeting. they all say they'd like bipartisan support for the bill, but they're all ready to move forward quickly now without any help from republican who are now fending off more questions about what they should do about a new republican member of the house of representatives who have supported the assassination of house speaker nancy pelosi. republican senators and house members get more questions about the homicidal thoughts of marjorie green than they get about the covid relief bill or governing. house republicans are not even pretending to try to govern. they spent the day in an endless meeting about the assassination advocate in their midst. before chuck schumer went to the white house meeting with his senate committee chairman and the president and the vice president, chuck schumer spoke in the capitol rotunda where the remains of capitol police officer brian sicknick were
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lying in honor since arriving there at 9:30 p.m. last night. >> the book of matthew reminds us blessed are the peace keepers for they shall be called the children of god. brian was a peacekeeper who loved his dogs and his girlfriend sandra and his family and the new jersey devils. he was caught in the wrong place at the wrong time and on a day when peace was shattered. blessed are the peace keepers like brian. let us be peace keepers now in this memory. >> senator schumer did not say one political word in the rotunda this morning, and i did not say one political word last night at this time for the full hour when we broke into live
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coverage of officer brian sicknick's remains being brought to lay in the capitol rotunda in honor. we did not exactly what was going to happen last night, so we did not plan to devoted the entire hour to it. we expected to perhaps show only a few minutes of that at the beginning of the hour and then move onto our scheduled coverage of the impeachment trial and covid vaccines and the situation in russia. but when we saw what was happening in the rotunda, we could not turn away. the fox channel was able to turn away. fox claims to be the blue lives matter network. they claim to care about police officers more than we do, but to judge by their coverage of the murder of officer brian sicknick by trump supporters, they really don't care at all. not a bit. there were things i wanted to say last night as i watched the grieving capitol police officers
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in the silence of the capitol rotunda. i wanted to say something about how lucky they were to all be still alive after that rotunda was filled with trump supporters who were ready to kill them, murder them. and yes, every single one of those trump supporters who were ready to kill a police officer were ready to kill any police officer, any one of them. and yes, they were trump supporters who committed that murder, trump supporters. and those two words "trump supporters," were too political for me to say last night, but those two words are the truth of who murdered officer brian sicknick, trump supporters. they wanted trump to be president and wanted brian sicknick dead because brian sicknick was protecting the constitutional process that gave us president joe biden who is
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supposed to be trying to work today with the party who supported the murderers who entered the capitol, the party who gave the murderers the opportunity to enter the capitol and murder a capitol police officer, brian sicknick. 139 members of the house of representatives and 8 republican senators were accomplices in the murder of brian sicknick. they created the opportunity on january 6th. they created the incentives on january 6th. and this one senator, joshua hawley, more than any other has the blood of capitol police officers who were killed and injured on his ugly fist. to spend an hour as we did last night in effect at the wake and funeral of officer brian sicknick it was impossible not to think he would be alive today working in the capitol were it
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not for donald trump. the house prosecutors of donald trump and the senate impeachment trials say he is, quote, singularly responsible for the homicidal attack on the capitol. that means donald trump is responsible for officer brian sicknick's murder. osama bin laden did not fly the planes. i didn't say any of those things last night because i didn't want to politicize brian sicknick's lying in honor in the capitol rotunda. i was mostly silent for that solemn hour because silence is the sound of mourning. we will be joined tonight by some people who are usually publicly silent, congressional staffers who have written an open letter to united states senators calling on them to convict donald trump in the senate impeachment trial because they write he, quote, broke america's 230-year legacy of the
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peaceful transition of power when he incited a mob to disrupt the counting of electoral college votes. six people die said, a capitol police officer, one of our coworkers who guards and greets us every day was beaten to death. the attack on our workplace was inspired by lies told by the former president and others about the results of the election. the 370 congressional staffers who signed that letter are braver and more honorable than every single republican member of the house and senate, everyone of them. the republican cowards in the house of representatives held a secret vote tonight about whether to strip liz cheney of her leadership position. they are afraid of letting each other or their constituents know how they voted on whether liz cheney should remain in the leadership. and they were also afraid to even have a vote about removing
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marjorie greene from her committee assignments. this is the republican party that joe biden is hoping will join him in a bipartisan covid relief bill. senator gary peters was one of the 13 people in the oval office today when the president and the vice president met with chuck schumer and the ten senate committee chairs. joining us now to tell us everything that happened in that meeting is senator gary peters, chairman of the senate homeland security and government affairs committee. mr. chairman, thank you for joining us tonight. we really appreciate it. okay, so you all sat down, and tell us everything everyone said. >> well, it was a wonderful discussion. it was great to be there with president biden, the vice president harris to talk about how important this covid relief package is, to get this country back on its feet. to get through this crisis as
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quickly as we possibly can. clearly the previous administration mismanaged this whole thing in a massive way. we're paying the price for that. now it's time for us to step up, do what it is necessary to make sure that families can keep food on the table, roof over their head, our small businesses can survive. the only way we can get our economy up and running everyone would like is we have to get our small businesses up there to drive that and also get vaccines into as many arms as we possibly can and as quickly as possible. that's certainly what i've talked about through homeland security and fema. the federal emergency management folks really need to take charge of this in a national way. we had under the previous administration no real significant national plan. it was really about letting every state do their own thing without any coordination, and that's not how you deal with a national emergency and national crisis. it takes national federal leadership. fema needs to step up to do
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that. we're going to appropriate resources to let state and local governments put the capacity in place to process people as quickly and efficiently as possible and make sure there's certainty as to where vaccines are so plans can be made. those things did not happen with the previous administration. we're going to make sure it happens now going forward, and we're putting in the resources to back that up. >> a lot of powerful people in the oval office today, but the most powerful person who wasn't there is senator joe manchin who has in effect the deciding vote here flord to get the democrats to 50 votes in the senate so that the vice president can break the time. he seemed to be saying that he said on "morning joe" this morning if it's $1.9 trillion so be it, which is most positive thing i've heard him say about that total number you're talking about. he does have some issues with raising the minimum wage the way you want to. but when he was asked about the bipartisan process, which he
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stresses he wants to have, he seemed to be saying that the bipartisan process means republicans will be allowed to offer amendments on the senate floor. is that what the bipartisan process means to you, and is that what it's going to be? >> certainly there may be that possibility tomorrow as we'll yield the budget resolution. i think it's important to step back. when folks talk about working together in a bipartisan way and bringing people together, let's not forget that this package is incredibly popular with the american people. people know that this relief sl absolutely essential for their lives, for their future, for us to get through this pandemic. you know, it shows a vast majority of democrats clearly support it. but even a majority of republicans out across the country, every day republicans support it. we have mayors in my state and michigan. i have republican mayors that
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are saying pass this relief, we need it. it's unfortunate that i've got colleagues in the senate and folks in the house, republicans that don't support it. but if they talk to their constituents back in their states and local communities, they will find that people understand how important it is to get this passed, to get it passed quickly and how we have to be bold if we're going to get through this pandemic the way we need to. >> reports indicate that president biden's meeting which was his first meeting with senators, those ten republican senators ended with him saying to them we're very far apart, and don't see anything here that's going to bring us together. is that what the president told you about that meeting? >> he didn't speak about that in those terms, but clearly there is a distance if you look at the proposal that the republicans put forward, substantially less. it is what is going to be necessary to help folks who are struggling now and to get the economy going. we have over 120 economists from
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all sorts of persuasions that are saying it's time to be bold. we can't -- we can't possibly get through this pandemic if we don't take significant action going forward, and that's what the president is behind. the president is saying we've got to get this done right. we've seen the mismanagement in the past months. we're paying a very dear price for the mismanagement from the trump administration. it's time to get it right. and that means we have to take significant action. the president is certainly firm on that position, and we all agree as we were in that meeting that now is clearly the time that we have to step up and get through pandemic and that requires being bold and decisive. >> senator gary peters, thank you very much for joining us in what is your first appearance on this program as a senate committee chairman, chairman of the homeland security committee. really appreciate you joining us. >> great to be with you. >> thank you. and joining us now john
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heilemann, nbc news and msnbc national analyst. host of the podcast from the recount, a podcast i recently appeared on. john heilemann, the republicans -- the democrats spend their day trying to govern. you see them there they all are gathered in the oval office. they are pushing through a budget resolution in the house of representatives which i was reading today, and they've got one moving in the senate. and they're really moving. republicans spend the day answering questions about what do you think of the latest homicidal maniac statement from marjorie greene? and in the cowardly caucus tonight, in the house republicans cast a secret vote about liz cheney allowing her to keep her position of leadership. the vote was 145 in favor of cheney, 61 against. and my favorite vote, one present. so there's a cowered in there
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who is so cowardly that even in a secret ballot, that cowered is afraid to vote and just votes present. >> yeah. lawrence, you know, if i were trying to be a comedian i would suggest that person was kevin mccarthy who cast that present vote, but i'm not a comedian as you know so i'm not going to suggest that. i do think that leader mccarthy's performance throughout this day and these past days has been a perfect symbol for the kind of cowardice how you're talking about. people wonder what mccarthy was going to do in this closed door meeting. we now have reporting that suggests he tried to split the baby so to speak, and he's not going to strip marjorie taylor greene of any of her assignments. he's going to try to blame the whole thing on democrats. he's going to duck that responsibility so he stays in good with the "q" caucus, doesn't do anything that would
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offend that portion of his caucus. and at the same time he also spoke forcefully in defense of his leadership colleague liz cheney so as to offer some sense of support to the mainstream conservative part of his party or what leaves to be the mainstream conservative part of the party. all that looks like to me, lawrence, is a man desperately trying to maintain his minority leader status and who recognizes that his hold on his own caucus is extraordinarily fragile and very weak, and realizes that jim jordan at this moment is probably more aligned with the house republican caucus than he is, and mccarthy desperately, desperately is trying to save his own skin, which pretty much is perfectly exemplary for what passes for leadership throughout the republican party in these times. >> and now that the republican party has become, in effect, the green party by defending marjory greene, it seems to me that joe biden and the democrats are
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under less and less and less external political pressure to compromise with republicans when they appear to be an unreachable group. >> right. i mean, you look over on the senate side, lawrence, and they've offered the bipartisan, the problem solving caucus the white house offered obviously substantively on a an insad kwt bill. their proposal is sole far away from what economists think is necessary -- there's only ten of them and only one peels off and you've lost a filibuster proof majority. and then you look over to the house where there's no dealing with those people, right? they were told today in no uncertain terms by nancy pelosi who put out a press release on a
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"q" next to mccarthy's name and they stood by her anyway. that is a caucus there's no working with. so to your point i think joe biden says at this point democrats are the only governing party here, let's go. >> another fascinating hotel living room scene behind john heilemann. john, thank you very much for joining us tonight. always appreciate it. >> good to see you, lawrence. thank you. coming up almost now 400 congressional staffers are doing something that they never do. they are speaking publicly for themselves, and they are telling senators how to vote. and they want those senators to cast that vote, quote, for the sake of the country in the impeachment trial of donald trump. two of those brave congressional staffers will join us next. conl staffers will join us next ♪♪ it's the easiest because it's the cheesiest.
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30,000 people work in the capitol and it's adjoining house and senate office building. it's like a university. 15,000 of them are the staff members who work for the house and senate. a group of those staff numbers numbering now almost 400 have done something congressional staff almost never do. they have gone public for themselves. in an open letter they are calling on the united states senators to convict donald trump in the impeachment trial. most congressional staff are on the young side.
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most of them do not make a career of it and have moved on by the time they're in their 30s. in their letter to the senators they make the point that many of them are in the generation that has been painfully trained for january 6th. quote, many of us attended school in the post-columbine era and were trained to respond to active shooter situations in our classrooms. they do not limit responsibility for the attack to donald trump alone. quote, that mob was incited by former president donald j. trump and his political allies some of whom we pass every day in the hallways at work. the congressional staff signing this letter to senators say the choice facing senators is now simple. the use of violence and lies to overturn an election is not worthy of debate. either you stand with the republic or against it.
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as congressional employees we don't have a vote on whether to convict donald j. trump in his role for inciting the violent attack at the capitol, but our senators do. and for our sake and for the sake of the country we ask that they vote to convict the former president and bar him from ever holding office again. joining us now are the coauthors of that letter, daniel, the communications director for val demings. both are appearing and speaking in their own personal capacities not speaking for the members of congress they work for. gabby richards, let me start with you. how did this letter come about? it's hard to explain to the audience how rare this is. i've never seen anything like it. it's simply not part of the culture of the staff working there to step up in front like this and make a statement like this. how did it happen? >> thank you for having us and
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highlighting this. yes, a letter like this is not normal, but it came about because we collectively as staff felt as though wis ozan important story to tell. the experience of staffers during this insurrection, during this violent attack is real. the trauma is real, and those voices deserve to be heard, and it should weigh heavy on the conscience of our senators as they are making the decision whether or not to convict donald trump for his role in inciting this attack. >> daniel, what is it like to be walking halls with people who you know were part of the incitement of all of this? >> lawrence, thanks for having us and i've got to say it is angering and frustrating. it's upsetting. you know, i talk to a lot of people who i work with who walk the halls right now and they say they just don't know how to trust, and that is a painful
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feeling to go to work every day and not know if the people who are around you mean you ill. and it doesn't necessarily mean that they would be the ones to cause that harm, but they certainly wouldn't shed a tear if it happened. and the fact that through their actions and through their politics they are inciting this violence, creating this situation where it can occur, that's an ongoing problem, and something we just haven't seen dealt with yet. and unless there's some level of accountability in the senate impeachment trial, i don't see that problem going away anytime soon. >> and gabby, i think another thing the audience wouldn't know is that staff friendships in the congress go across party lines. they ignore party lines. in fact, many of the best friendships develop because in your work across party lines in committees and other places, you develop a closeness that you otherwise wouldn't have. and so this kind of -- the staff
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never, never makes statements in a partisan kind of way. and so that's why i'm so struck by what you're doing. and in effect issuing instructions. i mean these read as instructions to senator. >> yes. because it should be very clear, and this decision should be very easy much like the senators who were there in the midst of this attack as their representative counter parts in the other chamber of congress were there and they voted to impeach donald trump because the facts and the evidence, you know, was your lived experience much as it was for the staff that were there that day, the staff that we're watching as this attack happened. and this decision should not be complicated, and it should not be difficult. so, yes, the directive is clear. if you do not vote to convict donald trump you are further compounding the trauma that was inflicted not just on staff, not
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just on members of congress but on the country but also on our democracy. and whether or not we have a clear vision of the country we want to be moving forward because where we're at right now is not quite as safe especially for people who are working within the capitol. and we cannot embolden this type of violence. so, yes, the directive is clear. we must convict donald trump for his role in inciting this attack. >> daniel, the country was riveted to congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez's account recently of her time waiting out this threat and the horrors she experienced waiting those out. there are literally thousands of those stories that include staff members, cafeteria workers, other people, maintenance workers working in that campus. are you all still sharing your stories with each other? or is it something you're all trying to turn away from at this point? >> well, i'm glad you mentioned
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that, and i'm so glad that the congresswoman did share that experience. but, you know, i think it's a mixed bag. some people are telling those stories. you know, i've talked to people recently who for example there's a cafeteria down in the basement of the capitol building, right? and the tunnels down there are essentially a maze. and if you work down there and if you are concerned about a threat up above you, that can feel extremely claustrophobic. and i've talked to multiple people that would feel claus truphobic and concerned in those tunnels. people are sharing their concerns and experiences. i think for a lot of people there's also a sense that the work has to keep going on, and a lot of people are still working to process what they experienced. >> daniel glik and gabby richards, as a former congressional staffer myself i could not be more proud of what you've done here.
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and i can't wait for us all to have lunch. i prefer the dirkson cafeteria, of course, as a senate staffer, but i'll come over to the house as soon as we're all filled up with vaccine and it's safe to do it. i'd love to do that. thank you both very much. and coming up, 50 seats are not enough. democrats need wins in the next senate elections in 2022. democratic congressman tim ryan of ohio might be able to deliver a senate seat to the democrats. congressman tim ryan joins us next. m ryan jnsoi us next we are the thrivers. women with metastatic breast cancer,... ...standing in the struggle. hustling through the hurt. asking for science, not sorrys.
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ohio democratic governor ted strickland tells "the new york times" that the democrats might be able to pick up a senate seat in 2022 if ohio congressman tim ryan decides to run. quote, i think he is the person with the best chance given this political climate we're in and given the way ohio has been
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performing. he has the ability to appeal to a lot of independents, and democrats will be very excited about this candidacy. and joining us now is democratic congressman tim ryan of ohio. mr. ryan of ohio, question one is will you run for senate in 2022? >> well, lawrence, i'm very, very interested in it. not going to lie about that. there's a lot of people calling from all around the state. anytime you get an open seat like this there's going to be some interest, and it's been overwhelming. and so we're all excited about the opportunity, but we're looking at it very, very closely and we'll have more to say in the coming weeks. >> donald trump has won ohio two elections in a row, but sherrod brown, democratic senator from ohio, won in 2018. is the sherrod brown approach to running statewide in ohio the model for you?
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>> there's no question that sherrod's been able to run in ohio and win because he talks about the issues that the average family, the average worker are facing every single day, and that's that the economy way offtrack. it's not working for the vast majority of people in the state ohio or across the country, it doesn't work for most people and you've got to get back i know you talk about a lot and pensions not a real sexy issue for a lot of people. but there are people in ohio who have lost their pension, you know, gave up wages while they negotiated contracts so that money could be saved for a later day. it's no longer there. they want health care. they want good schools. and as long as we stick to those things like wages and making things again and manufacturing and getting into the rural areas where we haven't really been successful, we can take this party and put it back on track
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to be a real national party that thrives in the industrial midwest. and that's what makes it so appealing to so many of us with this new opportunity. >> so the big political opportunity here is that the incumbent republican, rob portman, has announced already he's not going to run for re-election. that opens the field to republicans, congressman jim jordan there was some speculation about. he seems to have indicated he's not going to run. do you have any sense what's developing on the republican field? >> well, i think it's a shame jim jordan isn't running because that would be a fun race for i think a lot of people including myself. but, you know, they're going to have a very right wing candidate it looks like. they're probably going to have some business people sprinkled in there, but it'll be a big republican primary and not sure what direction it'll go, but they'll be beating each other up pretty good. and i think there'll be an
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opportunity for us really, lawrence, to capture those working class people who may have voted for donald trump because this system has been broken for them for 30 or 40 years. they just can't gets ahead. they just want a shot, an opportunity. their kids have left, and so they took a couple of flyers on trump. i think with the right candidate and their interests, this election being about them and much of the way joe biden framed things, they'll come back home. they want somebody to care about them, and if you do they will respond accordingly. i mean, we don't really go to the rural areas. they think we don't appreciate them. they think a lot of democrats look down on them, and then we don't show up there and affirm that inclination that they have. so the next campaign's got to really dig in rural ohio and rural america. >> if you get this covid relief
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package through basically intact in the way joe biden was talking about it today and by the way the way joe manchin was talking about it today. this morning on morning joe he was saying $1.9 trillion. that's where it is, that's where it's going to be. if you get that through, what will you have to tell rural ohio about what you and president biden have accomplished with that bill? >> well, we understand their needs, understood the pain. those small businesses, lawrence, who are getting crushed in small town ohio -- the restaurants, the retail, the down towns -- you know, that the democrats have delivered. that's what unites joe manchin and joe biden and the left and the right and the democratic party is we know we have to deliver. a lot of us were around back in 2009 and 2010 that the stimulus
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package wasn't big enough. it plugged the hole but we still had 10% unemployment, 9% unemployment. we learned from our mistake and we've got to push through. and you can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. but if they deliver for those people in ohio, they're going to come back home and i'm confident about that. >> thank you very much for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. >> thanks, lawrence. and coming up dr. anthony fauci today gave new guidance about that second dose of coronavirus vaccine and the timing. how crucial is the timing for that second dose? that's next. d dose that's next. s like this... but never for bladder leaks. new always discreet boutique black. i feel protected all day, in a fit so discreet, you'd never know they're for bladder leaks. always discreet boutique (burke) at farmers, we know how nice it is to save on your auto policy. but it's even nicer knowing that if this happens...
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>> maximum responses are given with a prime followed by a boost 21 days with pfizer and 28 days with moderna. now, we know that sometimes out of circumstances beyond the control of people that they may not make it exactly on the day of 21 day and 28 day. and as we know from the cdc under those special circumstances that it is okay if you get the second dose in either 4 to 6 weeks later. >> joining us now is dr. celine gounder, an infectious disease specialist. thank you for joining us tonight. and i'm not sure if this is your anecdotal experience. but for me what i've experienced since january 20th is there's a surge in interest of vaccine. and that may be because people have the mental space without
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donald trump in the way to finally focus on their own safety and when they're going to get it. and so the vaccine questions become more important every day. that thing that dr. fauci said also strikes me as important because another thing i'm hearing which you may be hearing, some people are reluctant now about getting the vaccine now on the calender for calender reasons because they doubt whether the second shot will be there when they need it. >> so right now the biden administration has arranged to purchase millions more -- hundreds of millions more doses of both the pfizer and moderna vaccines beyond what the prior administration have contracted to have produced and purchased. so we have plenty of vaccine coming down the pipeline, and the other good news is we have three additional vaccine candidates, the johnson & johnson, astrazeneca, and
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novavax vaccines that will be likely submitted between now and the end of april. we're going to have a lot of vaccines, a lot of different options all of which appear to prevent severe disease, hospitalizations and death, which is what we're really worried about here. >> are we ever going to get this vaccine distribution to the point where your doctor is going to have it, and you can call up your doctor or your doctor can call up you knowing your age and say, hey, make an appointment we have the vaccine for you? >> it's still a little while yet, lawrence, before we get to that point. but i do think come this summer especially if these other three vaccines come online some of which do not require the intense deep freeze that i think for example the pfizer vaccine requires, then yes we're going to have this much more widely accessible through your regular primary care doctor. >> and the plan to distribute --
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the new plan to distribute to pharmacies which is supposed to happen relatively soon, does that mean they will only be able to -- will those pharmacies have the deep freeze capability of the pfizer vaccine, or will they only be able to distribute the vaccines to pharmacies who don't require such special handling? >> some of the person. at first targeted to most underserved, hardest hit communities not getting access right now. >> thankgh you very much for joining us tonight. thank you. house speaker nancy pelosi
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tomorrow house speaker nancy pelosi is going to force house republicans to take a public stand on the homicidal comments of congresswoman marjorie greene, which include her comments on executing nancy pelosi. something republicans have refused to do. vice news reports that during a closed-door meeting among house republicans, roughly half the conference gave marjorie greene a standing ovation. here is what democratic
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congressman akeem jeffreys told joy reid tonight. >> the party of lincoln is gone, the party of reagan is gone, the party of mccain is gone, the party of marjorie taylor greene has taken over, it's sad and it's pathetic. >> joining us now, david frum, former speech writer for george w. bush, author of "trumpocalypse." half of them gave her standing ovation. >> half. you know in chess you try to shrink the space on the board, use bishop and rook to make the space smaller in which your opponent can move. that's what nancy pelosi is doing focusing this way on
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congresswoman greene, force them to make a choice, repudiate or embrace her. republicans do have other options but they're paralyzed, can't figure out what to move. it's going to end up with republicans having just a couple of squares on the board remaining to them. >> look at ad that the democratic congressional campaign committee has put out, linking republicans in the house to qanon. >> qanon, a conspiracy theory born online, took over the republican party. sent followers to congress and with donald trump incited a mob that attacked the capitol and murdered a cop. republicans like do bacon should have stood with us but he was a coward, stood with trump and lies.
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congressman don bacon stood with q, not you. >> that's what they're facing and they can't seem to find a way out of it. >> i think charlie cook says of the 29 closest seats in 2020, the republicans won 28. the board broke their way. but that means they have 28 seats to go the other way in 2022, this is what that is aimed at. republicans could repudiate her, that's it, even throw her out of your caucus. take disciplinary action. second is put her on double, triple, extreme probation. don't put her on committees, make her mind her copy book and go on record you want nothing to do with her. could reintroduce her to the american public, writing speeches for her in which she says no one admires jewish space lasers more than she does and
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what a tremendous credit this is -- i should stop with that joke. try and reintroduce her. what they're doing now is taking punch after punch with month plan. >> and republican congressman shows them how easy it is to tell the truth. listen to what he has to say. >> the bottom line is this, winning election is important but secondary to winning this country. if it has to take open battle within the gop, that's what it's going to have to take. a republican party under trump first policies is just not going to work. >> and david, he couldn't be more right and he couldn't be more estranged from his colleagues in the house. >> there's an incentive problem, right? obviously trump did not do well top of the ticket, didn't do well in 2016 or 2020. of the 12 people to head a
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ticket in 21st century, he was tenth and 11th. but when the country is jerry mandered, individual republicans have different mandates than the rest of the party. >> david frum, i appreciate it. >> that is tonight's "the last word," "the 11th hour" with brian williams starts right now. good evening once again after day 15 of the biden administration, a day that saw republicans fighting for hours over the future of their party, still yet to be determined. they spent this evening locked in a room on capitol hill arguing over the fates of freshman marjorie taylor greene, the georgia republican, qanon follower, conspiracy theorist. and liz cheney, veteran from wyoming, third most powerful republican in house leadership. tonight cheney survived an effort to


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