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for that is because you, the lead are of this district or state, won't level with your constituents or won't be honest with the constituents and tell them all these things are lies and they're dangerous and you would never support any of this behind closed doors. congressman, thank you for joining me. "deadline: white house" with nicolle wallace starts right now. hi there, everyone. it's 4:00 in the east. another extraordinary day of breaking news that reveals the scope of the fallout from donald trump's big lie. for the republicans who continue to choose, to this day, to be implicit with it. first the latest in donald trump's second impeachment trial just five days away. in the last hour, an attorney for president trump tells nbc exclusively, that the seo donald trump will not testify next week.
this comes hours after the house manager requested his testimony. jamie raskin, quote -- you have attempted to put critical facts at issue, notwithstanding the clear and overwhelming evidence of your constitutional offense. if you decline this invitation, we reserve any and all rights, including your refusal to testify has a strong adverse inference of action and inaction on january 6th. this comes as the clash between liars and those seeking to hold them accountable opens another phase. fox news, phelps specifically three anchors, have been slapped
with another lawsuit. and in a matter of minutes, a debate is getting under way, to determine whether the gop has any appetite to separate itself from the conspiracy theorist in its ranks, or the other corner, whether it wants to descend into the darkest corners of american political life and forever stain the gop with qanon conspiracy theories. that's the choice. marjorie taylor greene has targeted harassment for young school shooting survivors. and she claims that charlottesville protests and counter-protests were an inside job. they cheered the nextists, compares a deadly riot to the american revolution. greene also cements the gop caucus as tolerant of racism. her speech about muslims and
black americans is so offensive we won't repeat it or amplify it here. to be clear, the vote getting under way seasonalenes to purge her to send her home. no. it's just a vote whether or not to strip her of her committee assignments. that's it. republicans could have done that all by themselves, could have taken care of business privately, but they refused to take any action, because there wasn't enough opposition to greene and qanon within the gop. today with her committee assignments on the line, greene took to the house floor to over -- i don't even know what to call it -- a half-hearted, semi-walk back of some of her worst -- it's not worth repeating the excuses, or her belated acknowledgement that school shootings were real at all, but then they defiant tweet this morning -- it's not just me
they want to cancel. they want to cancel every republican. don't let the mob win. greene wrote that -- don't let the mob win. greene and the mob are one and the same. greene and the mob are on the same side. greene and the mob, the nextists are all on the side that storm the capitol in that deadly riot. the mob is now under intense scrutiny. the mob is really hoping that the gop does -- while the rest of us, we're just waiting and watching, from the mob today. that is where we start our coverage with some of our favorite reporters. tim miller is here, former rnc spokesman, also joining us jason johnson at morguing state university, a contributor to
msnbc and the grillo. and former senator claire mccaskill is here, and garrett haake is on capitol hill. garrett, we start with you. what's the latest? >> reporter: we're in a motion to adjourn right now, a procedural step to draw this process out, frankly caught me a bit by surprise, because i was thinking house republicans knew they were going to have to have the vote today. they weren't particularly excited about having to defend marjorie taylor greene and were going to yank this tooth and move on, but the speech that greene gave on the floor today i'm told is similar to the one she gave behind closed doors to republicans last night. i think it may be enough to consolidate republican support behind her, but i don't think it convinced a sing the democrat to change how they field about her comments both before she was a member of congress and up to this very day.
i spoke to a democratic member after her speech who said she's never done drowse. -- drugs. maybe she should. this is just too far to come back and be explained away, but the key thing to be learned today from speaker pelosi who spoke about this, and from other democrats that i have talked to, you know, as a member of congress elected by your constituents, you can say the moon landing was fake, the earth is flat and birds aren't real, but you can't project violence on your colleagues. that's the line that democrats feel like they absolutely have to draw here today, and why they're going to have this vote and why if the numbers continue to look like they have all day, she'll be stripped of her committee assignments.
>>s this is revealing, i'm sure your reporting is accurate, but it's revealing. she stumbled upon qanon at the end of 2017, because she didn't trust the media. the clues she said, quote, we allowed the media, i mean, that's demonstrably false. if that line, quote, will we allow the media that's just as guilty as qanon to divide us? if that line won they are over -- >> reporter: let the record show i've never accused anyone of being a lived person or a cannibal. look, republican members in a lot of districts look back at their constituencies and they don't fully understand them. in many cases they're confused by them or even a bit nervous
our afraid of elements of their voters. the qanon thing is part of that. i i think members said, okay she flirted with qanon, she backed away from it. a lot of people in my district may probably be the same way and that may be good enough. it resumes in an hour, and this is just democratic overreach, i don't think that carries much water, but those are the arguments upon which house republicans have built their defense or willingness to look away from marjorie taylor greene. >> claire mccaskill, i need to bring you in here, my friend. this feels like a charade. she trotted her out to have an apology, and she stumbled across q aknown, and she's basically their heroine.
>> i have to take a moment at the beginning -- happy birthday to you, nicolle. [ laughter ] >> and i will confess, this is part of my husband's birthday cake. his birthday was on monday. [ laughter ] >> i have to put on my glasses. >> i do not want to sing. if i sing, we'll lose every single person in the audience. i will not sing. i'll blow out the kanell for you, but happy birthday, my friend. >> oh, that's -- the dog just ran through. we are losing complete control and it's only 4:09. >> thank you, my friend. >> let me go back to crazy town for a minute. here's the biggest problem i had with the q anonlady's speech on the floor of the house. she lied, nicolle. >> that's what i was getting at.
>> you know, she said these things after she was elected. on december 4th, she said that an article that called qanon objective information and unifying for christians was accurate. on december 4th. we're not talking about when she was in college. we're not talking about when she didn't know any better. this was after she was elected to the house of representatives. she was lauding an article that called qanon objective, saying how accurate that article was. she's lying on the floor of the house in order to avoid being removed from her committees. the other part that's interesting, if they would do a secret vote, she would have a wide margin of folks that would take her off her committees, just like liz cheney, once they didn't have to be public, once
they -- a lot of them did the right thing. and i think a lot of them would today if they didn't have to become toxic. >> doing the right thing used to be getting rid of the person who didn't think 9/11 was real. i want to play something that senator danforth had to say. >> the republican party today is not just different from what it had been. it's the opposite in many ways of what it had been. america needs a strong responsible conservative party that has been the republican party. it is neither strong nor responsible nor conservative today. but the worst thing is that we have become really kind of a grotesque caricature of what the republican party has traditional been. >> tim miller, sounds like something you might say.
>> well, i'm happy that senator danforth has been speaking out. he's been clear about it with josh hawley, who he was an early supporter of, and calling him out. i think the keyword there is what the republican party has traditionally been. i think we need to recognize that the republican party is not what it's been traditionally been. it doesn't mean it was perfect in the past. it doesn't mean we have to wipe away any sins before 2016, but it's changed in a material way to where people like senator danforth, and liz cheney are out of step with this nationalist maga party. when we look at this vote today, and we're going to get 10, 20 people vote to condemn marjorie taylor greene at best in this vote on the house floor, i think
that what we have to recognize is that this isn't just a vote condemning a kook, right? there have been kooks in both parties for a long time. there's many more and we could go down the list. this is about endorsing an ideology that was the underpinnings of the insurrection at the capitol that resulted in the death of a police officer. that is what qanon is. that's what marjorie taylor greene has been espousing. if all of these members cannot clearly denounce it -- not just denounce the violence, but denounce the lies that underpin the violence, theshld all lose their committees. and it's within that context of what happened on january 6th, that needs to be an eye-opening moment and it could just be, this is a kook, just like todd akin who was a kook in the past.
this is a materially different thing. >> well, jason, tim makes such a good point. it should be brought into the sort of forefront of these conversations. this isn't to suggest that normal republicans are good guys. it's to suggest this is so dangerous. how bad is this? it's so bad that this republican caucus, if it gives qanon lady a pass, becomes a homeland security threat to all americans. >> yeah. yeah. nicolle, this is what -- and you're making sort of the point i have seen with this. i have been apprehensive to put too much energy on marjorie taylor greene, because it makes her like the bad apple. it excull pates the rest of the republican party, who may feel the same way, they're just not loud and vociferous about it. she's broadband supported by the
party and the party as a whole set supporting an ideology that leads to terrorist activity. i was thoroughly unimpressed by her speech. if there was an apology from a 7 years old, you would go back to your room, write it again, i don't think you're sincere. i'm a believer in freedom of speech. i believe your constituents with be anything on the face of the planet, but she is calling for the death of elected bladers and harassing people in the building. her statement talked about nothing about what happened with cori bush, who wants to move her office, because greene basically try the to spit in her face. if you have somebody who is in congress, who is posing a physical danger to their colleagues, i don't care if you're congress, post office or subway, the guy at the office,
the woman at the office who may be filly dangerous to other people, you have to limit their ability to do their job, because they're a danger. that's the part i think is clear, the republican party as a whole by waffling on this issue is saying we're okay with somebody in this building who could be a physical threat to another. that's beyond hostile work environment. that's a life-threatening work environment. >> for some of our viewers i don't think are familiar with qanon. kevin mccarthy's fake act of not knowing who they were, was b.s. he flirted with it all thus his election. he stumbled in a question, and he distanced himself from her, and what marjorie taylor greene has endorsed is the execution of
former president obama, nancy pelosi, and hillary clinton. this is the kind of political speech, as jason was saying, directly tied to the folks who stormed the capitol, the insurrectionists, now being charged with conspiracy, looking at sedition charges. why is this so hard for the republicans if they aren't where she is, just mad that she let it show? >> kevin mccarthy saying his's not familiar with qanon goes into the same category of the football coach who got elected to the senate. he doesn't know about the qanon lady because there was bad weather and he didn't have a chance. >> that's tommy tuberville. >> i don't think either one of them are exactly deserving of the honor at this point. this is just insulting to people's intelligence, which is
really the essence of qanon. it's insulting to people's intelligence that people are peddling these conspiracies and that there are people out there buying into these conspiracies. the we all want to hope that our elected officials are the ones that stand up bravely in front of the conspiracy theories and say, hey, guys, there are not lived heads. there's not a satanic cult that are eating children and part of the government, this is just not true, but donald trump, when he had the opportunity to do that, you know he response? they seem to like me. they like me. that was his only measuring stick, whether they liked him. as has been eloquently said by my friend jason, the professor, the issue here is advocating violence against elected officials. that's the bright line. shame on her constituents for
buying into her b.s., but they did. now this is about whether or not she should serve on committees while she said it would be great if somebody put a bullet in nancy pelosi's head. that's the bottom line. >> right. and, tim, you know, the other headline last night was that liz cheney was spared, but that's not a clean or good story for the republicans, either. 61 members of the caucus voted to strip her of her leadership post for the crime of voting to impeach donald trump. i'm not seeing any video of any republicans roaming the has bravely aiding the capitol police officers. we now know several lost their days since the days of the insurrection, two took their own. what is sort of the lasting imprint to leave her in place,
but 61 of her colleagues voted against her. on balance i'm happy that liz cheney is still in there. i think we're dealing with boop options here, and it's better to have liz cheney in there than whoever was going to replace her. to year point, though, about this trend is important. if you remember, there was a massive story, i think in 2013 or '15 when speaker boehner was challenged by the tea part wing, jim jordan was still around. 17 republicans voted to overthrow them for wanting to work with president obama on immigration issues, so that number has almost quadruple -- maybe liz cheney squeaking by by the barest margins. there's -- the biggest part of
the republican caucus is the fear of caucus. they're afraid of their voters. they're afraid of jim jordan, afraid of marjorie taylor greene. they'll do whatever they have to do to keep them happy. they were given a gift. had they had to vote in public, i think a number would be singing a different tune. i think that's the other make takeaway. let's see them put their money where their mouth is now that they have to talk about it in public. >> you know, we're going to get into the new lawsuit against those anchors that we mentioned in the lead, jason, but until the disinformation is not pumped into the voters, they'll remain afraid of their voters. we can spend a month about what leadership is or is not, my 9 years old is not being afraid of the people you've been elected
to lead. that used to be one of the reasons that people go to congress, to make the lives of their constituents better. this idea that they're all afraid of their voters and afraid of jim jordan would be funny, if it weren't so tragic. >> and honestly, nicolle, i think it's a bit of an excuse. justin amash wasn't afraid. your job is to back to your constituents and say hey, you may not agree with this vote, but that i see why i did it. if you're a prison warden, it's okay to be afraid of the people you lead. if you're a teacher, you could say i'm afraid of near students or my family. whatever. the only reason is you don't lead, you're not willing to be courageous. you're not willing to show integrity. i don't buy that excuse. it's always a passing of the buck. the if you take a tough vote, stand for it, big on your bill
gere, big point pants, go home and tell your constituents. they're infinitely more concerned with the stimulus and the economy than your vote on marjorie taylor greene, and any constituent claims who cares more about that is a liar. i don't buy that as an excuse. you have a lot of republicans who agree with marjorie taylor greene and want to hide behind fictitious, crazy constituents, or they just want to be cowardly. no one is going anywhere. when we come back, we're still watching the floor of 9 u.s. house of representatives, where the debate is about to start soon, and the vote will commence soon, putting the caucus on report. they have to decide if 9 dark and angry political divisions
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ms. greene has promised she will never apologize. we are here today because republican leadership has decided to embrace and elevate ms. greene, rewarding her on a seat of this house committee. two years ago. the republican speaker spoke on this floor very strongly saying, quote, i will pledge to you this -- from this side of the high -- and i hope you understand this clearly -- any hatred, we take action. mr. mccarthy did take action, but it wasn't condemnation, but elevation. appointing her to committee seats. this is why it's important to put this to vote. this house must take around. . i urge the removal of congresswoman greene from the committees.
>> that was congressman ted deutsche, where debate has begun. we're going to following that all throughout the hour, dipping in and out. another major escalation ahead of the second impeachment of donald trump, now just five days away. earlier today. impeachment house managers called on trump himself to testify under oath, before or during the proceedings. an official response a short time ago from his lawyers, calling the demand a pr stunt, add that the use of our constitution is much too serious to play these games. i think it has more to do with the other headline i found today -- this was in "the washington post" -- the last time he testified, they caught him lying 30 times.
the reason he was never permitted to answer question in person from robert mueller is because a lot of people around him knew he couldn't do it without lying his rear end off. it seemed like an opportunity to defend himself, but he can't take advantage of it, because he can't not lie. >> the important thing to vote, of course, is happy birthday, nicolle. [ laughter ] >> thank you. >> but it's important to remember, even in the first impeachment trial, the president never under oath, or even in writing, said that there was no quid pro quo with respect to the ukraine call. he said that to the american public, but he would not say it under oath, would not say it in
an affidavit, even no written submissions from his counsel did not say that, why? because it is a crime to lie to the united states senate so his defense counsel will do the same thing that happened during the mueller investigation and during the first impeachment trial, which is to keep him off the stand. now, the democratic managers have only gone so far, because they have sent a letter, saying we're inviting you to testify, but they haven't issued a subpoena. so one thing that -- where i think they are wrong, they absolutely have the right to subpoena him. this is not a criminal trial. he doesn't go to jail tess end of this. all that would happen is they would say you can't run for office again. so they have a right to call him in the way you wouldn't be able
to call a defendant that's criminally charged. but the way to do that, you actually have to issue a subpoena, and then donald trump would have to make a decision about whether he's going to comply with that subpoena and be in contempt, or assert what i think would be a valid fifth amendment. but i think what's wrong in the her that the democrats sent is this invitation that we get to draw an adverse inference but i don't think that's correct. it's something that the i have former president can agree to or not agree to. you think logically why not show up if you have nothing to hide, but legally i don't think there's an adverse inference that would be something that
anybody should be applies. >> so you're fleshing out the legal strategy behind all the this. i want to ask you about the optics. when i read the letter, i thought he was playing on trump's insatiable -- he would be, you know, jack nicholson, damn right i called for the code red. i thought it was a smart strategy, but you're showing where the holes are in the legal strategy, so let me follow up there. to prosecutors every start with a invitation and then subpoena, or is it one start? >> absolutely they could start with an invitation, here's a her, we're asking you nicely and
you're saying no. absolutely the next step is you could see a subpoena being issued. >> i think it's a smart strategy to call the president. the republicans will want to say the president did not incite the riot. the president doesn't believe there was election fraud. if you had to hear from the person who you're talking about, call him and ask him the question the questions i would ask if you didn't intend there to be a riot, then why, when you saw it on tv, did you not immediately call in the national guard? why did you not immediately go on television and say please stop, i'm calling on every one of meyer supporters to not use
violence and to leave the capitol. those are hard questions for donald trump to have to answer. on an election fraud, it may be even harder, because there was so many people he tried to pressure, so you would want to ask the president, tell me and the american right public right now what is your concrete evidence, because no judge who the republicans went to found any fraud whatsoever, whether republican-appointed judges or democratic-appointed judges, there was no evidence of it. so i think calling donald trump makes sense, but i don't think a letter is going to do the trick. >> just this idea of posting questions to donald trump in a setting where lying to congress is a crime, i would ask him, first and foremost, who won the 2020 election?
he knows he didn't win. if you could get him on the record cleaning up the lie, that might be one thing you could do to sort of reduce the risk and reduce the danger that people face. what does he say if he's asked who won the 2020 election? >> the reason why that's a perfect question, either way is useful. that's useful for the country to know and for us to move on, and for facts to actually matter. if he denies it, it really makes it hard for the republicans who want to defend him. the last things the republicans want is a vote on, was there election fraud in the senate those people know there was no material election fraud, and they don't want to have to vote on that issue. lindsey graham has said as much, they're trying to find every
other opportunity to -- on anything but that. if you put donald trump on the stand, you can force them to confront the facts. thank you for spending time with us today. >> looking forward to it. emotional appeals from democrats, pleading with their emotional colleagues to hold marjorie taylor greene accountable for her lies and for her vitriol, her incitement and acceptance of violence. and we'll speak to a -- - not what's easy. so when a hailstorm hit, usaa reached out before he could even inspect the damage. that's how you do it right. usaa insurance is made just the way martin's family needs it
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-- is that something the democrats would be happy to live with? >> if there's any democrat known to peddle conspiracy theories, to undermine our democrat set, to consider the tragedy of sandy hook and parkland were a hoax, and not real, given the pain and the suffering of the family, believe you me, as the speaker indicated earlier, we would be the first to do exactly what we're doing today with marjorie taylor greene. >> i never have any expectation from today's republican party, but what do you expect in i hope
and expect some republicans to be true to their democracy, to be true to make sure that one does not espouse violence, is not seated on these committees. leader mccarthy, he had an opportunity to make sure he did what he did with steve king, as it relates to his white supremacist behavior and attitude. i believe in many respects the republicans acted in a cowardice manner to step up and do the right thing. i hope republicans join us. >> kevin mccarthy appears as we speaking, and then claire mccaskill has a question for you on the other side. >> reducing this tool from the highest constitutional remedy to
just another opportunity, and now they are declares the majority on veto power over the minorities members selection committee. we reviewed this with the parliamentarian. never before in the history of this house has the majority abused its power in this way. never. in the entire history of this house, but it appears that speaker pelosi's caucus is blinded by partisanship and politics. it's the american people who will suffer the most because of it. as far as the member in question, let me be very clear. representative greene's past comments and posts as a private citizen do not represent of
values of my party. as a republican, as a conservative, as an american, i condemn those views unequivocally. i condemned them when they first surfaced and i condemn them today. this house overwhelmingly voted to condemn the dangerous lies of qanon last congress, and continue to do so. i made this clear when i met with representative greene. i also made clear that we as members have a responsibility to hold ourselves to a higher standard. she acknowledged this during or conversation and apologized for her past comments. i will hold her to her words and her actions moving forward. but because these comments -- >> we're going to come out of it, because most of what he's saying is not true. while he appears to believe it as it comes out of his mouth is not true.
marjorie taylor greene's committee appointments are not up for a vote because of the democrats. it's because mccarthy can't clean his own house. he led 61 of his colleagues against lid chen aye, because she had the audacity to call it an insurrection incited by donald trump. congresswoman, how do we get back to -- can we ever get back to real debates between democrats and republicans. >> listening to kevin mccarthy is almost like listening to donald trump. the level of hypocrisy of what he just said is shocking, but it shouldn't be. when you see when he stands up there and says, come on, he did
not support -- he has not supported even the fact that joe biden won the elect. so kevin mccarthy needs to stop and he needs to do weakly what democrats do. this woman should not be serving on the education and labor committees, where she thought the killing of children at sandy hook and parkland was a hoax and a conspiracy theory. she should not be there, and he should be ashamed of himself. >> cokewoman, let me ask you, first off, i was startled when he just said she has apologized. she has not apologized. she has said over and over again that she will not apologize for saying it would be a good thing to put a bullet in nancy pelosi's head.
i would like you to hazard a guess, if the vote today was secret, how many of that republican congress would want to, in fact, remove her from these committees. if they could do it without feel of donald trump or the q aknown base coming after them, how many of them would vote to do the right thing as long as they didn't have to own it. >> >> that's hard to say, because in many ways they have drank the kool-aid. somehow they're spineless and acting in a cowardly way. i don't know how many -- if they del -- didn't feel they would wreak havoc from donald trump, i don't know -- so many of them believe this stuff. if you look at the vote, look at it, in the house, what was it
about 140 members voted not to certify joe biden? i'm not sure they have internalized all this madness, and actually lying about realities that are taking place in our countries. so i'm not sure i could counseled on them to step up and do the right thing. >> congresswoman, i want to ask you one quick question about news that broke this afternoon. would you like to see donald trump testify in the senate impeachment trial? >> he absolutely should testify. he can't get away with this. no one is above the law. for him to not testify once again, i think sends a signal hopefully to members of the senate that he should be convicted his hey told so many lies, he should show up and
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still with us. tim, i want to come back to you on something that congresswoman lee just said in response to claire's question about how many, if it was secret, might vote against marjorie taylor greene maintaining committee assignments. i think we have to stop covering the republican party so they're under the influence of donald trump. "the new york times" reported on ties between half a dozen republicans and the militia groups that stormed the capitol. the republican party is clearly qanon tolerant, if they're struggling so much in the last 48 days, and it's over. that part of the story is over. now the question is whether donors and corporations want to give to the qanon caucus. that's it. and there will be more reporting as the charges are filed against the insurrectionists about ties to the white militia groups and white nationalists. that is who they are and the questions are over. they've answered them for us, haven't they? >> yes, look, even in that private caucus last night, there was reporting by multiple sources that said that half of
the republicans gave marjorie taylor greene a standing ovation after her speech last night. so, you know, look, at least half of this republican caucus is completely enthralled to q and there's another quarter of it that are scared of them and will do everything they can to appease the republican base, the far-right nationalist base, any time they're in public, and then there's just a small fragment of people like liz cheney and adam kinzinger that are acting on principle. just real quick on one other thing. it is incumbent on the democrats to dare donald trump to testify. i wrote about this for the bulwark. he's not going to respond to a subpoena. this has to be a media play and i just encourage democratic leaders and visible democrats to shame him. you know he's going to be watching that trial next week. shame him and say that he is responsible for what happened at the capitol and if he believes himself to be innocent, then he needs to come and testify for himself. >> well, and the other point, i think, is that he's not
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the action that we are taking here today isn't about partisanship. it is not about canceling anybody with a different political belief. it is about accountability and about upholding the integrity and the decency of this institution. now, if this isn't the bottom line, i don't know where the hell the bottom line is.
none of us get to decide for the voters who they send to congress, but as members of this body, and as leaders of this country, it is our responsibility to set standards of conduct for those we serve with. that is especially important when somebody crosses the line into violence. removing congresswoman greene is the right thing to do now. >> hi again, everyone. it's 5:00 in the east. a vote in the house of representatives set to happen this hour will reveal just how many republicans are choosing for their party to become the party of conspiracy theories, violence, and falsehoods. lawmakers will be voting on a resolution to strip congresswoman marjorie taylor greene of her committee assignments. newly elected greene has put the gop in what should be an easy position, to condemn her past comments spreading false and downright absurd conspiracies, and her apparent support of violence, assassinations against
prominent democrats. but minority leader kevin mccarthy has so far refused to take any action against her, so now democrats are forcing the entire gop to go on the record, just put it all out there, define what they stand for. this vote signals more than just support for one congresswoman, though. a vote in favor of greene staying on her committees is a vote to surrender the gop to everything trump stood for, the lies, white supremacy, and the terror he brought about on january 6th. greene has marched in lock step with trump and his big lie over the election result. in the months following trump's loss, she, like her party's former leader, continued to tweet falsehoods in spite of twitter warning labels put on those tweets, calling the election stolen, saying trump won in a landslide and pushing downright false claims of fraud in her home state of georgia. greene, just this past weekend, bragged about her bond with trump in an interview with one america news, she had following a call with him, she said,
trump's doing really well. i'm excited to go visit him soon and continue to give him a call and talk to him frequently. great news is, he supports me 100%, and i have always supported him. which means today's vote will be extremely telling. will the party continue its servitude to trump and his lies? lies that led to that deadly insurrection. or will it take a stand for the truth? waiting to see what a post-trump gop will define itself as today is where we start this hour with some of our favorite reporters and friends. anna palmer, founder and ceo of punch bowl news, former republican congressman david jolly, eugene robinson, "washington post" pulitzer prize winning columnist is back and claire is still around with us. ana palm e let me start with you on whether or not you're hearing there will be anything unexpected. at this point, kevin mccarthy seems to be projecting everyone will fall in line behind greene. >> i don't expect there to be
any shift among republicans to all of a sudden move towards the democrats and vote with them to remove her from the committee. basically, kevin mccarthy has rallied the troops. he's said that this is an overreach by democrats, that the congresswoman has apologized. today, she acknowledged on the house floor that 9/11 did actually, indeed happen. but there hasn't been a lot of remorse there. and so, i think you have republicans trying to just coalesce, stay together, and frankly, for democrats, that's a big political win. they would love nothing more than in 2022 to campaign against qanon and the marjorie taylor greenes of the world and feel like that would put them in a very good position, not only to maintain the majority but probably expand that majority. >> well, and david jolly, if i were nancy pelosi, i would take this vote and i would call every donor and say, you cannot invest in the party that made a stand today with qanon.
i mean, their votes today will determine whether or not they stand with what taylor has endorsed, which is violent assassinations of former president obama, of hillary clinton, and of nancy pelosi. that's what she's for. that's what a vote to keep her on those -- they're not voting about whether or not to get rid of her. they're voting about whether or not to take her off the committees to which she was assigned. >> look, this is a judgment by the house on the moral character of one of its members and her past support, as you mentioned, for violence, her questioning of the legitimacy of school shootings like parkland and of 9/11, and as republicans defend her, that stain will now be upon all of them. and i do suspect they will all defend her, even some of your more moderate members on process grounds, that this did not fully go through the ethics committee process. but i think where nancy pelosi should really lean in, not just with kind of the casery community but the body politic
at large nationally is the question around national security. and you and i have talked about it before and it's why i think what we may see happen today will be one of the groet moments for the house no modern political history. and i say that as a student of the house. i think today will be a great moment for the house and the reason why is this. we are living in an era where the warnings from our security agencies, from the fbi, repeatedly, over the past couple of years, has been the threat that has emerged from the rise of these conspiracy groups. it is a national security threat when a community elevates conspiracy theories. it is the fuel of white nationalism. the conspiracy theories are the fuel for what we saw on january 6th, the lies about a rigged election. that is the fuel. and what we have seen in marjorie taylor greene is now a member of congress who has been elevated, who's been cultivated through this conspiracy network. that creates a national security threat, and what we are seeing, though it seems to be looked at today through a partisan lens of
democrats doing this to a republican, this is the house of representatives saying, we are listening to our national security agencies, and we are going to root out a threat that is clear and present, the threat of conspiracy theories as represented by one of our own, a congresswoman from georgia. >> you know, i'm so glad you turned this back to what it should be. this should be a security story. i mean, that bulletin that the department of homeland security issued saying that the threat from domestic extremism incited to violence by the big lie and some of them by the covid restrictions will be with us until the end of april. and i wonder, david jolly, if you can say a little bit more about the republican party abdicating any claim to giving a bleep about our country's national security. >> entirely. look, the republican response to the events of january 6th will forever be a stain on the party itself. not only because of their looking the other way to the
culpability of a sitting president who incited a violent insurrection against the united states, but specifically this issue of our own domestic security. one of the two major parties in the united states today willing to condone behavior that actually increases the threat that is amongst all of us. the people we saw on january 6th, nicole, yes, there were some militia members, there were former military, trained in the arts of the assaults that we saw, but there were also grandparents and grandmothers and fathers and brothers and sisters that live next door to us that got wrapped up and were cultivated into this conspiracy narrative that ultimately led to a violent insurrection on the capitol. these are people that live within our communities. and they are fueled by misinformation. that is the word of the fbi, not of david jolly. and so what we have to put a stop to is the misinformation that is fueling this threat to the united states. if we could stop the big lies, we will immediately begin to quiet down on the actual audible
threat that we face here within our shores. >> you know, claire, i know you served on the homeland security committee in the senate. it is such a disgrace that you look at -- i mean, every member -- every member of the senate, every member of the house did the same thing when the insurrection was under way. there were no republicans roaming the halls. they were scared too. we now know who attacked the capitol. they were militia groups. they were white supremacists. we also know, thanks to "the new york times," that a half a dozen republicans had ties to those groups. why isn't the republican party compensating for that association with the threat? why are they in denial of its existence? >> well, first of all, because it doesn't play to their political needs. they want this base. they want their votes. and i think it's really important, what david said, and what we have to do for a moment is take a time-out from the qanon lady and crazytown and get back to the big lie, because
what we know about domestic terrorism, the mother's milk of domestic terrorism is believing that their government is illegitimate. the illegitimatesy of government is what feeds domestic terrorism, and no one did more to feed that lie than donald trump. that's why he was impeached while he was in office, and the really shocking thing about this is that we don't often enough take time out to realize the majority of the republicans in the building are okay with it. they're fine. that the president made people in this country believe their government was illegitimate. they're just great. it's just no problem. that's why this is so dangerous. you know, whether or not she serves on a committee or not, and you know, she's a kook and
some of the senators have said she's a kook, the real problem here is this huge number of elected officials in the republican party saying, yeah, yeah, it's okay for you to believe that joe biden was not legitimately elected. that's just hunky dory. it's disgusting and dangerous. >> and look, eugene, now that claire has stripped this down to the studs here, we should stop covering these live events like there's any suspense, you know, in terms of how they're going to end up. the republicans have thrown their lot into letting trump off the hook. they have thrown their lot into marjorie taylor greene, and i really think -- i said this to tim last hour -- it's time to stop asking questions about who's going to be the brave one, who's going to have conviction, and it's still newsworthy when liz cheney does speak out, and it's still interesting to hear that mitt romney, the one-time standard bearer for the party, thinks that greene's a kook but
this is the republican party and i think it's incumbent on all of us to cover them for what they are. they are conspiracy theorists who are comfortable with the lies that led to an insurrection that did endanger all their lives and could have led to more deathment. >> absolutely. and now they say it's time for all of us to move on, that this should never be any accountability for this. or any real recognition of what actually happened, of the role that the big lie and their support of the big lie played, fundamental role, in what happened on january 6th. you know, it is impressive to hear the passion in the voices of david and claire, former members of congress, seeing what's happening inside the capitol, what's happened to our congress and that republican members of congress have taken this evil root, evil and
cynical, and to sort of welcome the conspiracy theorists and qanon and by extension the white supremacists and the proud boys into the fold for political advantage with the knowledge of how dangerous that is to our democracy. and it's -- but that's the fact. you're absolutely right. and we should, you know, we shouldn't be surprised, yet again, when, yet again, they show us who they are. that's who they are. >> yeah. and anna, you were ahead of this story and other journalists like tim alberta have been tracking the republican slide. it's not to the right. it is down. we're not on a spectrum of left and right for the republican party anymore. it's up and down. and i think mitt romney is trying to move up. liz cheney stood her ground but the rest of them are trying to move down and i wonder if privately there are more republicans uncomfortable in the ways that mitt romney and joanie
erntz have been uncomfortable. >> i think there are republicans, if you put them on truth serum, they would say they are uncomfortable, particularly with marjorie taylor greene's comments, particularly with some of the comments by josh hawley and other senators who are really looking to 2024 to take up that trump mantel. even, frankly, when you see some of the posture of senate minority leader mitch mcconnell, the statements he made to, one, back liz cheney, and two, dismiss what was happening with marjorie taylor greene as saying, that's not the future of the party. what we see is truly, i think, this existential crisis of members of congress who are always facing their next election, certainly david and claire can talk about that and the pressures they feel from voters and it's not lost on republicans, though, that donald trump had 74 million voters and
right now, he doesn't necessarily have a huge megaphone, but they are afraid that if they antagonize the former president, that it is going to be very hard for them to win re-election in 2022, 2024, i think it's just the political reality and you don't see people having a lot of courage right now to say, no, this is wrong. what she said is actually hurtful to democracy, that there are implications. inside that building,ing and in the dome, there is before what happened on january 6th and after january 6th, and that is how democrats are looking at this prism. it's no longer just about words and fighting among, you know, kind of the rhetoric. it is -- there was an actual siege on the capitol, and we are not going to stand for it anymore. >> i want to add into this conversation the voice of my colleague, garrett haake, who's live on capitol hill for us and i'm not sure how much you heard but we're talking about how kevin mccarthy's speech lays bare that this is the gop.
they are now one with qanon. there is no remorse over defending her. there's no discomfort with defending her, and i know this from trotting out some of these dirty tricks. when you try to blame it on democrats, this was a problem in and of, the making of the right. this was a problem that kevin mccarthy -- he could have swept his own floor and he chose not to so we cut away from him when he started blaming democrats for marjorie taylor greene's social media posts. but i wonder whether it was as clear to everyone there that this was a signal, that this is who we are. we are going to be okay with the qanon lady because she is us and we are her. >> reporter: absolutely. i mean, this devolved into a very tribal thing here, and i think part of the tell is, if you've been watching the floor the last half hour or so, after kevin mccarthy, it's jim jordan and louis gohmert and the freedom caucus folks trying to make this process argument here that this is about democrats trying to cancel republicans. but it just doesn't hold coming
from those folks who have been making the same argument every time they got in trouble for something that they said over the last two years. but yeah, i mean, this has become purely tribal and i think anna touched on something that is so important and just to pull back and contextualize this whole debate a little bit, it is impossible to overstate how much the events of january 6th affected everybody who works up here, everybody who's a member of congress, everybody who covers this place, everybody who had to live through this, even if you knew somebody up here, cared about somebody up here and were watching it on tv, and nobody's gone to jail yet. i mean, people have been charged but nobody's been convicted of anything yet. the impeachment trial hasn't started yet. nobody's been really held accountable yet for the violence that was perpetrated on everyone up here, and i think with marjorie taylor greene, you know, this is that opportunity to hold somebody accountable for the culture that led up to this point, for the willingness to let anything go, for the not willingness to clean their own house on the republican side. i mean, marjorie taylor greene is going to be the first person
of many to be held accountable in some way for january 6th in a building and a community that is just so scarred by that, still, and anxious for justice and for healing and for sort of all the steps in that process, but like, the fact of the -- of her endorsement of political violence, and i keep going back to this, is just the thing that could no longer be tolerated by a community where hundreds of thousands -- hundreds of us, thousands of us at some point on that day, were worried about our lives. and i just think that's the context you have to place this entire discussion in on why this action is happening now in the way it is. >> well, look, i can't imagine what you all must feel like who call that building your office. after 9/11, which is the only sort of modern parallel to a terror attack on a government institution where the press roams freely and where public officials work and their staff
works, there was immediate bipartisan condemnation and a commitment by all the countries' leaders -- i remember joe biden's comments right after the attacks. to get out and eradicate the root cause of, in that case, foreign terrorism. the root cause of the domestic terrorism that made that building that you go to work in every single day a crime scene is the big lie. and right now, people behind you, close to 150 republicans voted to further the big lie after the attack and 7 republican senators did. so, how do folks think that you get beyond the big lie, which put all of the violence in motion, if no one wants to get rid of the most egregious offender, the one who takes that big lie to its, as you said, to advocating for assassinations of democratic leaders? >> reporter: right, i mean, look, this is the -- these are the actions that congress can take. these are the actions that democrats can take. they impeached the former president. they're going to strip marjorie taylor greene of her committees.
those are the actions they can take. there are members of the republican party, including those who voted to, you know, uphold -- strip the electoral votes from these states, who i used to talk to every day as part of my job, and there are some who i still haven't been able to talk to since, you know? it's -- how do you deal with these people? and i deal with them from a professional distance that's available to me as a journalist that isn't available to other members that have to sit next to them and debate with them and deal with them at a closer level that even i don't have to do. so when i watch some of these same republican members, and in this case, they're all republicans, blowing past magnetometers, physically pushing past capitol police officers to get on the floor after the violation that appeared up here on january 6th, i mean, it has broken the ability of folks to communicate and to give each other the benefit of the doubt here and understandably so. i'm one of them. i don't know how we get past this, but these actions that are being taken here by the democrats, you have to -- i
think you can understand it in that context. like, we can't solve all this. we can't go out and deal with every person who thinks they believe in qanon everywhere else in the country, but we can solve this. we can address this. we can do it right now. and i think that's -- i think that's part of the reason why they are acting in the way they are. >> do you feel safe? >> reporter: yes. i do now. you know, the -- before january 6th, i thought this was the safest possible place i could be. my friends have been giving me a hard time for weeks because on that day, i joked, like, don't worry, i'm not going to be in the protests, i'll be in the capitol, be fine and couldn't have been more wrong. i think i do, again, now, but the last month has been a lot of kind of getting used to a new normal up here at a place that felt safer than anywhere else you could possibly work in this city except maybe the white house. >> yeah, we don't talk enough about all that shatters when a place where you just don't even think about your safety and, in my case, it was secret service telling me to -- looking down at
my shoes and telling me to take them off and run and i ran to the top of connecticut avenue. in your case, you told your friends you were fine because you were at the capitol. and as you said, you were wrong. you're not often wrong, though, garrett haake, and that's why we love talking to you. thank you so much, my friend. please come back. we're on a little bit longer. anna, david, and eugene and claire are all staying put as we continue to await the start of that vote in the house of representatives that would strip marjorie taylor greene of her committee assignments. when we return, some of greene's supporters are sticking with her. others are calling her embarrassing. how marjorie taylor greene is trying to patience of her voters back home in georgia and proving toxic to the state's beleaguered republican party. "deadline white house" continues after a quick break. don't go anywhere. k break. don't go anywhere. never run dry of... killer attitude. or hydration. neutrogena® hydro boost. the #1 hyaluronic acid moisturizer delivers 2x the hydration for supple, bouncy skin.
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we continue to keep our eyes on the house floor where in just a moment, a vote will be held to strip congresswoman marjorie taylor greene of her committee assignments. earlier today, nbc news visited rome, georgia, in greene's district and found that while many of her constituents are doubling down in their support of greene, others say she doesn't represent who they are. >> she's just, like, crazy and a kook. i mean, who thinks that we need to kill people that are the members of congress? >> well, it makes me embarrassed that she is our congressman. >> just based on her comments and what she's been talking about, i don't think that she supports and defends the constitution of our country.
>> greene is proving to also be a thorn in the side of the georgia republican party, which is looking to turn things around after joe biden won that state and democrats swept both those senate seats in the runoffs. our next guest warned back in august, the day after greene won her primary, that she might come to, quote, haunt georgia's gop. joining our conversation, greg, political reporter for the atlanta journal constitution who we've turned to and once again, your reporting is in the center of the national story. what did you know that kevin mccarthy didn't figure out until this week? >> we knew skma and a lot of people here in georgia knew she had a history of remarks that were already causing all sorts of headaches for state republicans who were worried about this exact scenario, that this would just blow up on the national scene and act as an anchor, not in the 2020 races for georgia republicans but really in the 2022 races just around the corner here.
the republicans are worried that she will bog down the entire ticket and that she'll be branded the face of the georgia republican party, and while that's becoming true, she's also being branded the face of the national republican party. >> she is. i mean, was there a hope among georgia republicans who have been attacked around the clock, harassed and attacked by donald trump, that they would have the fortitude to cut her loose? what would georgia republicans like to have seen the republicans do with greene? >> yeah, i mean, back when she was running, in a very conservative northwest georgia district where it's almost impossible for a democrat to win, there were fears that speaking out against her would iesidentrump and his most ardent supporters. remember, this was vy close, presidential dynamics, and then of course the senate runoffs in january, and so instead of speaking out against her, a few republicans did, but most
republicans were either silent or they were supportive of her, including senator kelly loeffler and doug collins, who were both actively courting her endorsement because they believed whoever won her northwest georgia district would end up in that runoff against democrat raphael warnock. >> are democrats looking to solidify their gains? they've obviously had an extraordinary run in a really tough state for democrats. i would think if you're a democrat, greene really is an opportunity to solidify and make clear that there is one radical party and it isn't the left. it's the republicans. >> yeah, look, and already t state democratic party is sending out fundraisers saying, stop marjorie taylor greene. they are using her to, again, paint all georgia republicans with the same brush stroke, that that is the party of marjorie taylor greene. she has become such a polarizing figure here in georgia as well as nationally, that it could be used up through 2022, and look,
she also hasn't said -- she could run statewide in georgia in 2022. she could be a candidate for senate or any of the other statewide offices up for grabs because reverend warnock, raphael warnock, faces another election just around the corner. and so republicans are worried, too, that she could come in and defeat a more established republican figure or, you know, just dominate the news cycle, even if she doesn't run, dominate the news cycle and force every single republican candidate to kind of wear her as an albatross. >> greg blustein, thank you for spending time with us. i am grateful that you continue to be at the center of this really tumultuous time for the post-trump era. thank you for spending time with us. claire, i want to come to you really quick on this last point about marjorie taylor greene. here's kevin mccarthy's grievous mistake. she's not going anywhere. she's ascendant in republican politics and he just missed his window to stomp out a politician
who isn't conservative. she advocates violence. >> yeah, i can't help but compare and contrast what i was part of, and that was when todd achen said some outlandishly bizarre and inappropriate things about victims of rape. and what happened after -- >> i remember. >> -- that statement was a coalescing of republican leadership, both in missouri and across the country, led by the presidential nominee, mitt romney at the time, to distance himself from the republican party. i mean, everybody from mccain on down said, we don't want him at the convention. now, compare and contrast this to this qanon lady. donald trump calls her up on stage and says she's great. supports her. but two senate candidates in georgia saying, you go, qanon lady. we're with you. and now they wonder why this is a problem? and what we're doing today,
removing her from committees, what the democrats in the house are doing, that will elevate her with that base. she will be an even bigger problem now for the republicans in georgia. so, this is all good news, i think, for normal people that live in georgia that want a normal representative and it just shows you how far the republican party has fallen with donald trump as the leader of the pack. >> it's amazing. it's like watching the republican party self-radicalize. it's just -- i knew they were bad. i didn't know they were this far gone. i should have. claire mccaskill, thank you for spending some time with us. thank you for the birthday wishes. i wish we were around a table eating. >> happy birthday, my -- you know, happy birthday, my dear friend. >> thank you. thank you. miss you. when we come back, wouldn't you give anything to be in claire's kitchen? i would. when we come back, new developments on donald trump's
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>> president biden today at the state department delivering his first foreign policy speech as president, resetting and restoring america's role of the defender of democracy. promising to bring back morality, credibility, and diplomacy to our institutions with renewed relationships with our allies and distancing himself from trump's america first approach and competing from a position of strength, demanding the military in burma stand down, confronting china's economic abuses and this on russia. >> i made it clear to president putin in a manner very different from my predecessor that the days of the united states rolling over in the face of russia's aggressive actions, interfearing with our elections, cyberattacks, poisoning its citizens are over. we will not hesitate to raise the cost on russia and defend our vital interests and our people. >> joining our conversation, ben
rhodes, former deputy national security advisor to president obama, now an msnbc contributor. also joining us, jonathan lemire, associated press white house reporter and an msnbc political analyst. there's so many hot spots already, jonathan lemire and just looking at the way that speech was constructed and i know ben used to have this as one of his responsibilities, so i'm going to come to him next but it's clear that the biden white house already views this as a world on fire. >> first of all, nicole, happy birthday. and i think your assessment of that is completely correct. it's meant to be a sharp break in both substance and style from his predecessor, and certainly the centerpiece of the speech was russia, where he amplified what he told vladimir putin on their phone call last week about a number of topics, including the bounties on american soldiers in afghanistan that work with the taliban there. the call that we -- called for alexey navalny's release, the
political opponent who has been sentenced now for several years in a russian prison. and election interference. the list goes on and on. but it wasn't just, of course, russia. he reversed president trump's decision to pull out troops stationed in germany. he announced that he would end the support of saudi arabia and their ongoing campaign against yemen. he reversed measures with the lgbt community serve in the armed forces, the list goes on and on, and i think the overall message was this is an attempt to return to normalcy. the world, which has been so rattled by the trump administration, the america first, four years, that policy that he's trying to send a reassuring signal to american allies that you can count on the u.s. again, and to its adversaries that they should be expecting a consistent, tough message from washington and not one based on personal rapport between the president of the united states, donald trump, and even dictators. >> ben rhodes, can you just help
us understand how quickly these relationships can be turned back on? i think in a lot of places, dealing with trump was probably just like shutting off the spigot of a reliable and predictable american government american government. how does president biden and vice president harris and the state department and the pentagon and all the agencies that touch our ally, how do they most quickly turn those relationships and those alliances back on? >> well, i think jonathan is right. the goal was to meet america the familiar again goal. i think they realize they can't just do that in rhetoric, that they have to have actions that demonstrate a new direction. each of the actions that he announced today in some way have to do with america reassuring allies and once again standing up for democratic values. so he put a halt on the u.s. removal of u.s. troops from germany, which is one of our closest allies in the world. he withdrew support for the saudi-led campaign in yemen
which should not have begun under the obama administration and really escalated under trump and send a message that we get it, we can't send a blank check to a murderous dictadictator he indicated he is going to raise the cap of refugees that the u.s. will take, to 225,000. that's important because it's not just part of our democratic values to open our doors to people fleeing persecution, but a loft the allies have had to take a heavier burden since america has been absent. diplomacy is again at the center and the substantive announcements he made, he is trying to build back credibility. see, i'm not just talking the talk about this. i'm prepared to walk the walk. i'm moving in a different direction from the more extreme and frankly un-american things that my predecessor did that caused so much problems to a world that is unraveling and to our allies who were left to
shoulder a lot of the burdens in the absence of any american leadership. >> ben, it seems to me from the outside, and then, this not being my expertise like it is yours that the two countries around which policies shifted most, most quickly and most dramatically are russia and saudi arabia. is that right? >> absolutely. those are the two that he really specified and called out and indicated that this is the beginning with saudi arabia. we're reviewing our arms sales to saudi arabia. so it's not just the yemen announcement. and with russia, he indicated, as did jake sullivan, the national security adviser, there is more to come here. we get that things aren't going to change just because he gave a speech, but they're going to have consequences going forward for the imprisonment of alexey navalny, for the hack of our systems. so this is just the beginning. >> jonathan lemire, i want to ask you about this president's sort of allotment of time. there isn't an infinite amount of time for any president.
this is a president that comes into office with this historic pandemic that's been mismanaged, if managed at all. did you get a sense talking to his folks today how much foreign policy which is really president biden's life's work, how much of his focus will be there, or is he really pulled into all of the covid planning and all of the covid strategy? >> it's a terrific question, nicolle. and obviously joe biden is somebody who has been running for president. this is his third attempt over 30 years basically. he has spent a lot of time on what kind of presidency he would want. certainly on the senate foreign relations committee as vice president traveled constantly. the presidency he is getting will have less of an emphasis, at least to start on foreign policy because his aides acknowledge his focus right now has to be at home. it has to be about the vaccine distribution, finally trying to wrap their arms around the pandemic response, of course, rebuilding the nation's economy. the list goes on and on.
and certainly, as the message today was clear, they're not ignoring the world's hot spots. america is going to be out there as a foreign player, but it won't be his focus like it might be later in his term. in fact, the president's first foreign trip likely won't come until the summer. there is a summit in england, i believe the g7 in june, and even that is tentative whether or not it can happen in person because of the pandemic. they recognize that the president's focus needs to be at home. they want to make sure to safeguard his health, of course, but also domestic issues come first. but the back half of this year, years to come you'll see more of an emphasis on foreign policy. that's what his aides believe, at least for now. >> it's so interesting, and you're right. diplomacy is in person and on packed airplanes at least traditionally. thank you so much for spending some time with us today. we're going sneak in a quick break. don't go anywhere. we'll be right back. k. -go talk to him. -yeah, no. plus it's not even like he'd be into me or whatever.
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before we leave you for the day, we want to show you what is likely to become the defining moment of today's marjorie taylor green. steny hoyer on the threat she poses to her colleagues. demolishing the notion that she does not pose a threat to anything. let's listen. >> they are people. they're our colleagues. and yes, you may have disagreements, but i don't know anybody, including steve king who you precluded on going on committees for much less.
and this is an ar-15 in the hands of ms. greene. this was on facebook just a few months ago. that is a message of peace and reconciliation and peaceful democratic dialogue. the squad's worst enemy, ar-15 in hand. i have never, ever seen that before. is this a precedent-setting event? it is. because the conduct, the tweeting, the qanon association, i heard the di avowel of qanon.
i learned more. ar-15. squad's worst nightmare. is that what was intended to do, that each one of these ladies would have a nightmare about somebody with a gun, an ar-15. can carry up to a clip of 60 bullets. i urge my colleagues to look at that image and tell me what message you think it sends. >> a powerful moment on the house floor moments ago ahead of the vote, which is about to get under way. my colleague ari melber picks up our live coverage right now. hi, ari. >> hi, nicolle. i did want to get your views on this. of course we've been listening to your coverage. but votes like this are relatively rare in congress when there is actually a time to choose. what do you see, especially as