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you very much for joining us for this special hour. we appreciate it. >> thanks, lawrence. congressman jason crow gets tonight's last word in our special hour "trump on trial." "the 11th hour" with brian williams starts right now. getss last word. "the 11th hour" with brian williams starts now. good evening, day 20 of the biden administration. we are 4 hours away from the start of the second impeachment trial of the former president. the senate chamber has been ready with long tables in place to let impeachment managers on defense team do their work at a social distance. trump's lawyers revealed a detailed event following the attack two months ago, the brief smitd to the submit the document managed to misspell the name of our country.
trump's speech on january 6th was quote "not an act encouraging and organize movement to overthrow the misspelled united states government. they blame a small group of criminals incumbent of the capitol. they called the trial a political theater. the impeachment managers came back with a five page memo of their own wriing "incitement of insurrection against the united states government which disrupted the house. tomorrow both sides will begin with a debate over the constitutional issue followed by
a senate vote. each side will have 16 hours to present argument. kinzinger is urging senators in his party to convict trump. the congressman writes and we quote "this is not a waste of time, it is a matter of accountability. the chaos of the past four years can quickly return." >> 17 republicans many of them sitting at desks that were ransacked by rioters, they have to join democrats in order to convict the former president. >> georgia's secretary of state have opened an investigation
into trump. trump is heard begging officials find the 11,000 votes. this is a critical week for president biden as he tries to keep his $1.9 trillion relief bill and the rest of his agenda on track. he was asked whether he'll be watching the impeachment trial. >> he'll not spend too much time watching the proceeding. he'll remain close to speaker pelosi and leader schumer. he'll lead the pace and the proceedings. >> there are a few other headlines from capitol hill today. republican, alabama richard shelby revealed he won't be running for reelection. the race to replace him in a ruby red state will offer another test for the direction
of his party in the post trump's era. the house of representatives is remembering texas republican congressman ron wright, he became the first sitting member of congress to die of the coronavirus. with that, let's bring in our lead off guests, ashley parker, shannon pettypiece and our department justice veteran general during the obama administration who has argued dozens of cases before the u.s. supreme court and indeed counselor because we are on the eve of the second trial, i would like to begin with you and this way to play for you some of the video case against trump and all that led up to this event. >> the only way they can take this election away from us is if this is a rigged election.
>> the swing states we are all fighting over now. i won that all by a lot. i have to say if i lost, i would be a gracious loser. so all i want to do is this, i just want to find 11,780 votes which is one more than we have because we won the state and flipping the state is a great testament to our country. >> we'll have to fight much harder and mike pence is going to come through for us and if he does not, that'll be it. >> evade the capitol building. >> take the capitol. >> take it! >> take the capitol. >> slam the capitol. e capitol. >> slam the capitol.
>> take the capitol right now. if you don't fight like hell, you are not going to have the country anymore. you will have to show strength and be strong. neil katia, that's nothing compares to what the house of democrats play for the chamber. how is the vividness of their case work to take those weapons away from the former president's defense mode? >> it is powerful. january 6th was just a month ago, brian, and trump has been impeached and about to start his trial. it is different than our last impeachment which is about as fussy transcript and all sorts of stuff. your videos demonstrated for the
house's votes tomorrow, prosecution for the ages of social media. everyone will be able to understand and get right away. the evidence is going to come from trump's own supporters. he invited us here. these are folks during the proceedings. their defense is essentially trump made me do it, don't indict. i suspect that the prosecutors will start, what gabe sterling says on december 1st. mr. president, stop this rhetoric, someone is going to get shot and killed. what does trump do after that? nothing. except talk more and more awe the election is stolen as the clips you just demonstrated.
this is different. >> ashley, as you know better than most we are coming off a highly politicized four-year and the former president who commented on everything and folks need to get used to the comparative silence that's going to come out of the biden's house while all this is going on. can you explain to viewers who may not understand biden's caution in not wanting to go near this. >> this is a very deliberate public stance we are seeing from the white house. how the president is closely following the impeachment and what he wants to see what happens. jen psaki makes it clear that
this is not on the president's mind. the president does not like to weigh in. look, this has to go forward. he was sort of saying that trump had to be convicted or putting his finger on the scale one way or another. it was more than exist ential. he's careful not to weigh in. he wants to move past this, he talks about unity as one of his campaign pledges. he does not want to divide the nation. this is a deliberate strategy than the former president. >> shannon. would calling witnesses be after an audience in the chamber
looking to get 17 republicans to walk over to the other side or the public at large? the kind of jury public opinion or both? >> well, that's a really great point as to who democrats are making their case to. are they making their case public or to those republicans who are trying to win over. i think democrats are divided on that. the issue of witnesses also gets into what is the end goal here because witnesses can drag this out. there is a large group of democrats including some within the white house who just wants to get this over with as quickly as possible so the white house can move onto covid relief and all the other items on their agenda, immigration plan and immigration legislation. they want to move quickly on this. witnesses could bolster the case
to get a conviction here. this goes into the divide of the democratic party of what do they want out of this trial? is this about public support or doing something they have to do and getting it off their plate or is this about convicting president trump and barring him from future office. it could be a little bit about each of those things but which ones win out in the end of the day, i think it will be determined and we'll see how it plays out in realtime week. >> neil, i got something else for you. you are the winner of the video daily double tonight. this is from lindsey graham, we'll discuss on the other side. >> democrats declared war on the presidency itself. the impeachment of the house took place without a hearing, what witness is being called and
without a lawyer. an impeachment of a president without office, you are going to destroy the presidency itself. they never envision going after a president once he's out of office. the purpose is to remove a person and not bar them from running in the future. >> so counselor, now we heard from the noted constitutional scholar, what's the argument? >> nonsense. the idea they'll destroy the presidency, senator graham, we have presidents for 200 years. they never faced two impeachments like this. the texts of the constitution has a punishment for a lifetime ban in future office holding.
i don't think that's going anywhere. i think he's trying to pick up the argument that trump's two lawyers did today. trump is the first amendment defense here and he's a passionate public speaker and he should be able to say what he wants. there is an important piece written by peter kizler. this is the guy, he writes the defense is really a joke. obviously your first amendment defenses and if you are in a criminal proceedings. you can burn a flag or have those are things you can't be prosecuted for. it makes no sense, the two
things are very different and so when senator graham says oh this is going to destroy the presidency, i think we should take it with a serious grain of salt because this is not a hard standard. >> ashley parker, with this mandatory trigger warning, what's he up to or what he's planning this week? >> well, in talking to aids, one thing people close to him they are -- twitter did a huge favor even know they banned him. he does have bad news and avenues to make his view. twitter is not his only way to communicate with the public. it is a much higher bar.
he either has to put out his statement in his office or call into sean hannity. we all know by holding a device in your hand, the former president was so frequently dead and saying something you don't like it on cable news at 6:00 a.m. and firing off a tweet. >> a level of disciplined has been imposed on him which they have grateful for. >> he's still the same donald trump we covered at president. he is furious with liz cheney, he considers per part of the bushes. >> he's still fated by kevin mccarthy, he met leader mccarthy
and has not liked some of -- we can't broadcast or every criticism to the world right now. >> shannon, this is the test democrats able to preside over impeachment and chewing gum. the president got hus seventh cabinet picked today. will there be any other senate business while we are covering this? >> well, i believe the senate is going to still conduct some business but this obviously sucks in an enormous amount of air out in the room. the president himself we are told because they're on a bit of a deadline here. march 14th is when the unemployment extension for millions of americans runs out.
they want to get this covid relief bill passed before them so there is not this big gap. their vaccination program and all of that is being held up until they can get an influx of funds from congress and achieve all these things they want to do on covid response. they don't feel like there is time to waste and even if the senate behind the scenes or committee and able to carry on with work. it is certainly a distraction. it is also a distraction as they try to build a pressure campaign on republicans and some democrats as well to get on board and get this pushed. the news coverage is going to be dominated by impeach. for the most part and they'll have to work overtime to try to continue the momentum in fulfilling the $1.9 trillion covid relief package. >> only our friend shannon can
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of electoral votes which resulted in five people dying who refused to stand up immediately when he was asked and stopped the violence. we should not be embracing the former president. >> record number of republicans voted for president trump, republican voters support him still. the party is his, it does not belong anywhere else. >> there is your contrast inside the republican party with trump's second impeachment trials hours away. both democrats and republicans want that guy to go away. democrats see the best way to achieve that goal, voting to convict trump and barring him to hold office again. republicans, those nervous about trump continues to strangle hold on the gop don't want to poke
the bear. with our next guests, al franken, who has a good portion hosting a broadcast baring his name and ben still. welcome to you both. senator, i would like to begin with you, how certain do you feel you are about and how come acquittal, do you hold any room or hope that this evidence is going to be so vivid such a punch to the gut to relive what was the taking of our capitol that may be just, just maybe the court of public opinion will sway 17 votes on the other side? >> i don't think so. >> i think they're afraid of the
base. what you saw there. >> i think we know which side is stronger and they're afraid. lindsey could not have been more wrong. otherwise, you would have the founders worst nightmare which is a first time president, breaks the law and does everything he can to steal an election and the worse thing that happens is he does not. this is basically what donald trump did. and there is no recourse. this is the founder's worst nightmare someone would use the power of the white house to try to steal the election and basically just get away with it. the impeachment is proper and proper to have this trial. they should invict him.
these republicans are too afraid. >> michael still, i want to play something for you. ron johnson from just yesterday. >> i always believe the russian hoax, from the corruption occurring within the fbi and some of our intelligence agency, you have to ask the question, what is this impeachment all about? >> we know 45 republican senators are unconstitutional. is this another diversion operation? >> does it reflect away from what the speaker knew? i don't know, i am suspicious. ron johnson remarks translated, does he know that we can hear him and on tape the rioters saying the "hang nancy pelosi,"
"where is nancy pelosi." and. >> and asking where the vice president was. he was as much in their site as nancy pelosi. >> the reality is they should stop with i don't know because he does not know. he's talking about -- the fact the matter still remains, going back to your first point which i think is important not to skip over while the democrats hope that this trial would lead to trump going away and never running again. the republicans hope that okay we don't poke the bear. both of those are wrong. the trial will not lead to what that happening. the bear does not matter if they
poke. it is still a bear and it is still there. both parties have to understand and appreciate what this moment is about. this moment is not about traditional politics of the back and forth we saw play out in the first impeachment. this is about our country and the sanctity and sacredness if you will. those democrat senators you are either down or not. it is not rocket science and it is not complicated. we know what the president did. it is very clear. a lot of people saw it live and relived it since. the truth is in the telling and the experience. now the action requires that you uphold that truth and convict. i think to the senator's point, that's not our reality when this
is over and the accounting will come later hopefully with the voters. >> al franken, how often do you march value at the republican's ability to rally around and protect their own especially to your first point if they are part of the base, especially if they are apart of the trump's caucus. marjorie taylor greene has not had the reception from the party with a lot of normal folks expected. it may be in the party's dna. >> i think it is a really bad time now. >> i think part of that is all the disinformation to the. the news max and fox, it is some
really bad times. i agree with everything that michael said. i do believe that when the republican senators look at te evidence, they know what it is. >> they won't step up. they just won't. >> i know a quote to end this block. have a great day. coming up with all eyes on this upcoming impeachment trial. let's fes on the current president as he tries to focus elsewhere himself. e tries to fos elsewhere himself.
does president biden think it is constitutional to impeach and convict a former president who's no longer in office. >> i am not going to have anymore for you on weighing on impeachment. it is a big story but our focus is not on the -- we are focusing on delivering for the american people. >> our guests remain with us, al
franken and michael still. i read this. benjamin netanyahu is on trial today, mitch mcconnell is no longer senate majority leader. marjorie taylor greene has been banned from house committees and people are getting vaccinated. not bad, 2021. michael, here ises the question. who's more eager to get beyond this trial phase, republicans or democrats? >> probably both. at this point obviously for different reasons but i would say both are. probably for the same reason. i think there is at least some of the folks i talked, certainly on the democratic side, there is really this sort of coursing through the veins right now to get back into the swing of policies and debating around whether or not we spend a traditional dollars or
$2 trillion and not for the peer nation of those debate. but to figure out what's the right mix of funds to spend and how do we continue to address covid-19. i think there is some of that that's beginning to emerge after what has been really 4.5 years of kind of on and off again some policymaking. the biden's team struck that nerve with a lot of folks on capitol hill. that's going to be something to watch as -- which is why the administration said clearly. y'all go ahead and deal with the impeachment but we'll deal with the economy. it will be an interesting dynamic they are creating now for a lot of lawmakers who want to get back to doing law making. >> senator, i read tonight, josh harley is the only u.s. senator
voted against all seven of joe biden's cabinet nominee that's approved thus far. he's not into functioning government and he's going to stay on brand and try to sell it. my question for you as a former member of that. will we see 60 votes in favor of this massive aide packet that joe biden wants and needs. >> i think were going to see much of it passing through reconciliation. i don't think were going to see, we may see some compromised aspect of it. there is a huge difference between $1.9 trillion package. that's the biden's package which does a lot of great things to help people.
the republican package, $600 billion. there shall things aside from what were you cut-off and people at 75,000 or 50,000. >> remember you are going on 2,019 taxes. those tax forms so you don't know what someone made from 2020. people need help. let's get them help. there are also things on this from k through 12 education for tax credits or people have lost their healthcare when they lost their job. it is going to help people whether the republican party like it or not. >> i was going say to paraphrase a singer/songwriter, at least we take care of it on our own.
>> one brief closing question and that's put a finaler point on reconciliation. >> most of it will be passed on record reconciliation, explain what could it be done with? >> reconciliation is 51 points, that's usually budget stuff. that's how we ended up doing the affordable care act. >> that's how the 2017 tax cuts which coincidently, republicans really care about deficits when a democrats is still in the oval office. this is something you can do and has to do with money and taxes and those kinds of things.
>> you can do a lot with the reconciliation. >> when you can't get the 60 votes. you can get the 51. >> michael steele, 15 seconds to you and i got to go. >> just real quick. >> the 1.4, a lot of republicans and democrats. 16% of americans who support that. >> brian, suddenly, republicans compare about deficits. >> that's what i meant. >> i wanted to correct him. >> deficit have been around and skyrocketed. the concern is back. al franken, michael steele, we'll do it again.
asking everyone to please keep your guard up. the continued variants from maine is a great concern and it is a threat reversing the positive trends we are seeing. >> a critical warning the pandemic is still far from over. the more contagious u.k. varpt variant is doubling every ten days in the u.s. most of those cases are in, florida. the same state that hosted super bowl, including the mass casualty of the unmasked victory
in the streets of. he was also a member of the president's covid-19, advisory board. i saw many indicators that were good, we are up to having vaccinated and 10% of our population. that's a start. case counts on a daily basis are down. the death toll on a daily basis are down. comes an event like tampa and no signs are leading up. tell us where you see things so far tonight? >> well, you described.
this is a tale of two cities. we are 50,000 reported higher. we kind of come to accept this number as something very good. >> going forward, we are really under the influence of what is probably the worse of all the viruses we have seen today. that's particularly variant you mentioned from the united kingdom. that virus is much more infectious and likely to cause series illness and death. >> this is playing out here in the united states with the early spread throughout the country and the european country which each of them have to go into extensive lockdown for days. their rates of disease were extraordinary high. to give you a comparison in our worse day of the united states we had 130,000 hospital saysed patients. if we had the same rate they saw
in london recently, we would be 195,000 hospitalizations a day. this is what we are up against. the super bowl parties all over the country as well as what's happening in florida. it is surely a way to reverse that trend of cases going down. >> wow. >> that's saying a lot. i want to play for you the president in his cbs news interview on the topic of reopening our schools. >> our cdc commissioner is going to be coming out with science-based judgment which i think as early as wednesday. i made a commitment that we try to get k through 8 back to school by the end of this 100 days. >> i met with the teachers union, they want to go back to school and need some guidance. >> what's your view? can we make this target?
must it include vaccinations for teachers in your view? >> well, in terms of what we know of the safety of our schools, younger children and teachers, covid-19 has been a much serious problem there. we have seen in older kids and adults, the challenge we have is again look to countries in europe, understanding what this new variant virus does. so what we are trying to do is reopen right now which i think is a really positive thing. however, we are doing it basically at the same time this variant is coming and it kind of reminds me of the category 5 hurricane. i think we'll have a challenge getting our schools open and
staying open. it is going to do the next six weeks. >> we are appreciative. any time we have a chance to ask you a couple of questions. michael. thank you very much for joining us from the twins city. >> coming up, some of the accused in the insurrection, the taking of the capitol on the 6th of january. e capitol on the 6th of january
have been. >> reporter: prosecutors charged 211 people on the assault of the capitol accusing some planning the attack well in advance to stop the vote count. >> in many ways, january 6th was a bud light, brought extremists from all different areas. court documents say the proud boys had a plan for the raid helping the lead the crowd and pushing the police barricades and breaking windows. investigators say members of the militia group had similar plans using cell phones to coordinate their actions. 22 were accused of assaulting the 139 police officers injured.
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and becoming the most selfless loyalty to trump. graham or pence. none of them can hold a candle to the recently decomposed lou dobbs. he's being sued because he made stuff up. lou was not always like this. he went to harvard. towards the enhe became a birther before going all the way on trump. the rest is history, now he's history at fox. we had our friends trevor noah thanks to the following. farewell to lou dobbs, the most
north korean anchor america ever seen. >> we have a president, one of the country's greatest president. this is a man who multi-task, he's smart and filled with energy. >> he comes from a good gene pool. >> i am going to say strong. you are also one of the most loved and respected. >> i would say that also. >> in history. >> the great lou dobbs. he says trump is the greatest president. >> he's the greatest of them all. >> does that include washington and lincoln? and he said yes. i don't know if he's for real. >> thank you mr. president and yes, i was for real. i think he's doing god's work, god sent this president. how would you grade president trump's leadership?
superb, great or very good. >> this white house is energized, there are sunshine throughout the place. it will be century after century for this president. >> we got a really good job. he's close to perfect, shawn. >> have a great weekend, the president makes such a thing possible for us all. >> a tribute to the former president, our friends at the daily show playing us off the air this evening. by the way, the patrick mahomes, we'll get him next time. that's our broadcast for this monday night as we all start a new week and with our thanks as
well. on behalf of all the colleagues at the network of nbc news, good night. ues at the network of nbc news, good night. the united states? >> on the eve of his second impeachment, are republicans looking to give a pass to donald trump is out of excuses. >> what we know is the gravest violation of the oath of office by any president in the history of the country. o >> famed free speech attorney floyd abrams on the new arguments. how the legal community is undercutting the former ti president with george conway and how the republican party is radicalizing against democracy. and as we break 2 million daily vaccinations for the first time, new alarms about how quickly the more transmittable s