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confrontation with a member of congress but in the universe of possibilities that was probably a more unlikely scenario than it was that they did actually confront someone and i can't help to think what they would have done. >> capitol police deserve credit for standing in the line of that which we saw today illustrated. igor, matt, thank you so much for making time. that is "all in" on this eventful wednesday. good evening, rachel. >> good evening, chris. thank you. thank you for having me with you earlier in the show in the hour. you helped me get my thoughts together. >> you bet. all right. and thanks to you at home for joinings us. just to get oriented as to where we were in this process, the impeachment trial of the former president and sort of what -- what we learned today as a country because of that process.
what started today is up to 16 hours of the prosecutors now, house impeachment managers making their factual case and i say up to 16 hours because it appears they're not going to take all the 16 hours that are alotted to them. they have been coming in sort of under time in terms of what we expected. not just yesterday on day one when they were arguing the constitutionality of the trial itself and finished the day by giving back more than half an hour of their time they chose not to use but also today when they started laying out the case. they ended today after having used less than six hours of the allotted eight hours for the day. so even if they take all eight of the hours tomorrow they will not use all the hours alotted to them, all 16 hours to make the case just as they didn't use the portion of the four hours allotted to them yesterday to make the constitutional case. what this means is just that the
prosecuting side seems to be not just on track but ahead of schedule, getting done what they want to get done with time to spare. overall the way the schedule works is that the house impeachment managers get to lay out their case today and obviously into tonight and also into tomorrow and tomorrow night, eight total hours available to them tomorrow and use as much or as little of that as they want tomorrow but no matter how early they finish tomorrow president trump's defense team will not take over until friday. and then once the defense team starts on friday they also will have two eight-hour days available to them, 16 hours total to mount in their defense no more than 8 hours in each of the 2 days. and i raise this now just, a, so you can think about how the next few days will go but also i think it helps me figure out something else that's been a mystery. that plan, that expectation right now about which side is
going to go on which days, that may shed a little bit of light on this strange and otherwise sort of inexplicable thing coming to scheduling the trial. we have talked about this a couple times in the last few days largely because i didn't get why this happened. a few days ago former president trump's defense team asked for the trial schedule to be changed. they asked for the trial to be stopped on saturday because one of former president trump's lawyers, david schoen, is religiously observant and doesn't work on the jewish sabbath. so they asked if the trial schedule could be changed so that the trial would not convene on saturday, the senate gave in to the request and said we'll meet on sunday instead of saturday. go for it. what was strange is that once that request was given, once they got the schedule changed,
in response to that request they then said, okay, never mind. we actually don't want the trial to stop on saturday after all. it was a weird reversal. of course, i don't know for sure but one consequence of that change in course, that weird 180, never mind, relates potentially to the way the defense is going to lay out. if they weren't going to hold the trial on saturday that would mean president trump's defense team would be offering interrupted defense. they would be able to offer their first eight hours up to eight hours of defrs on friday and then taking a whole day off on saturday and then they'd have the second day on sunday. that's what would have happened had they got the trial schedule that they requested. i think it's possible that once they realized that's what they'd done to themselves they put a day off in the middle of their defense case, they may have
realized that was not ideal. now because they have rescinded the request they will get two days, one after the other, we'll have two days from the prosecution today and tomorrow and then two straight days from the defense friday and saturday. so the reversal on them wanting the change in the schedule might make more sense along those lines. speaking of not ideal, multiple news organizations have reported that president trump was deeply displeased with his defense team when he saw them in action yesterday, particularly forgive me but the sort of bart simpson meets foghorn leghorn routine from mr. bruce castor of philadelphia. the president's other main lawyer david schoen is religiously observant of the sabbath on saturday. even though mr. schoen has withdrawn that request for the trial schedule to change to take
saturdays off, mr. schoen is religiously observant and can't work after sun down on friday or all day saturday and he will be out of pocket friday after 5:00 and all day saturday so it may be that castor, the guy who was such a disaster yesterday, who the president is reportedly so disgusted with, it may be he has to run the whole second day of president trump's defense. friday night and all day saturday. that does not seem promising for the president's defense given mr. castor's performance on day one, particularly how apparently angry president trump was and dispointed -- i don't know if he gets disappointed. how angry the president was seeing mr. castor's performance on day one. they tried to change the schedule. they then changed it back and will get two days in a row but the second day can't be done by david schoen. has to be done by castor.
their only other option is going for another people they have at the very last minute added to the legal team. the other main lawyer is apparently this michael van der veen, also a pennsylvania lawyer and had to publicly deny he told another client that president trump was a quote f'g crook. mr. van der veen did defend a guy prosecuted for trying to hack into the irs to get trump's tax returns. that guy, the defendant in that case, says the lawyer mr. van der veen told him that trump was an f'g crook, reported by "the philadelphia enquirer" today and he denied he said such a thing in a written statement. bet that's awkward. he is not denying the fact he did sue mr. trump presumably mr. trump is not happy with either of those things but he may be
the other option besides the foghorn leghorn guy for running the whole second day of his defense. we shall see. the president's defense again will not start until the day after tomorrow. see the prosecution, they had the first day today. second day tomorrow. president trump's defense will start on friday. we'll see how it goes. fascinating either day. we have now seen two rounds of argument from the prosecution side. on day one, yesterday, the substance of what they were arguing is what the lead impeachment manager jamie raskin laid out the constitutional contention at the very beginning, the pithy phrase for it, there's no january exception. from impeachment. that allows presidents free rein to commit crimes right before they leave office. the trump lawyers and republicans contend that a president can't be tried on
impeachment charges after he left office. if that was the case then a president could simply do whatever lawless things he wanted to do in january in his final days in office, safe in the knowledge that the senate wouldn't have time to put him on trial for those crimes before he left office and get away with any crimes he wanted. the impeachment managers argued yesterday that there's no way the founders intended for there to be a giant loophole, this january exception, within impeachment. otherwise all presidential law selections would be invited to commit whatever high crimes and manuels they wanted to commit in order to try to overthrow the results of the election or depose the incoming president who had defeated them because, oh, it is the end of the term, no time to impeach them. the vast majority of scholars agree with the prosecutors, the house impeachment managers on that point. and indeed their argument carried the day yesterday in a 56-44 vote at the end of the day
by which the senate decided that a president can be tried by the senate for the impeachment charge laid against him by the house in this case in january even though he is no longer president today. but in terms of understanding where we are in the overall process that really once the substantive theme of the presentation on day one. no january exception. you are not immune from prosecution for what you did because you are gone from the presidency now. that's day one. that's a settled matter. the sub standtive theme of the presentation for today, day two, which, of course, the start of them laying out the factual basis for their incitement charge against the president, the basic theme for most of the day today is that what happened on january 6 didn't come out of nowhere. that this was a long plot and that therefore the president's culpability for inciting insurrection, for inciting the
violence that happened at the u.s. capitol january 6, is evident in part because the violence on january 6 was undeniably foreseeable, for any reasonable person. to expect that violence would result whether the president did what he did on january 6 and in the days leading up to it and made back to when the president first started really priming his supporters to only see the 2020 election results at legitimate if trump was declared the winner of that election, if the loser he told them hundreds of times for months on end that they should not consider those election results to be legitimate. those election results should not count. he thus sort of set the predicate for what would happen if he lost the election. he would try to nullify or void the election results. he would proclaim himself the winner. try to delegitimize the real results and the supporters
should expect that if the election couldn't be counted on to give an answer about who should be the president he'll hold on to power by some other way. by some other means than just competing fairly in the election. that's what he would do, that's what he would expect them to help him do. he promised that's how it would go and part of the reason a reasonable person should have known that violence was a likely outcome is because as the president made this case over a period of months, violence and armed confrontation by the president's supporters had already happened, had already been the consequence of his statements about the election even before january 6th. and president trump knew that. he knew that this line of argument to his supporters had led to violence already. rationally it could therefore be counted on to lead to violence again. it would lead to more violence
if he upped the stakes in making this argument to his followers, particularly if he directed them all to react to his comments and physically be in the same place at the u.s. capitol while he continued to incite them in this way. i mean, that's the case that they made today, that the violence on january 6th was foreseeable and therefore that incitement charge should stick because he knew the violence that would ensue. >> nonnovember 5th he tweeted in all capital letters as if shouting commands, quote, stop the count! stop the fraud! the same day as those tweets, around 100 trump supporters showed up in front of a maricopa county election center in phoenix some carrying rifles literally trying to intimidate officials to stop the count just as president trump had
commanded. this was dangerous. it was scary. ands after a blatant act of political intimidation. in philadelphia, that same day, police investigated an alleged plot to attack the city's pennsylvania convention center where votes were being counted. police took at least one man into custody who was carrying a weapon. and this happened all over. in atlanta, in detroit, and in milwaukee. his supporters used armed force to try to disrupt lawful counting of votes because they bought into trump's big lie that the election was stolen from them. president trump's months of enflaming and inciting his supporters had worked. they believed it was their duty to quite literally fight to stop the count so they showed up across the country to do just
that. >> this is a fraud on the american public. this is an embarrassment to our country. we were getting ready to win this election. frankly, we did win this election. >> stop the count! stop the count! stop the count! stop the count! >> they ain't taking it from us! >> count the votes! count the votes! >> we were winning in all the kilo cases by a lot, actually, and then our numbers started miraculously getting whittled away in secret. >> they will be hiding. they will pay. they will be destroyed because america is rioting!
>> and there it is. they had bought into his big lie and you may say, well, he didn't know that they'd take up arms. but when he did know, when it was all over the news, president trump didn't stop. >> for anyone who says donald trump didn't know the violence he was inciting, i ask you to consider his supporters tried to drive a bus off the highway in the middle of the day to intimidate his opponent's campaign workers and his response was to tweet the video of the incident that had fight music rngs joke about it and call those individuals in that incident patriots. and once again donald trump's
praise worked to incite them further. emboldened by that praise, they remained ready to fight. ready to stand back and stand by. this link is not hypothetical. just like we saw with the proud boys showing up in full force on january 6, donald trump's encouragement of this attack made sure his supporters were ready for the next one. the caravan bus attack organized by trump supporter keith lee leading up to the attack on the capitol of january 6 mr. lee teamed up with other supporters to fund raise to help to bring people to washington, d.c. for that day. the morning of the attack he filmed footage of the capitol, talked about the flimsiness of fencing and then addressed the supporters before the attack
saying, quote, as soon as you all get done hearing the president, y'all get to the capitol. we need to surround this place. during the attack, he used the bullhorn to call out to the mob to rush in. he later went to the rotunda himself and then back outside to urge the crowd to come inside. these are the people that president trump cultivated who were standing by. >> this was about foreseeability. the foreseeability of the violence on january 6. the house impeachment managers today went back before the election to show that the president knew, everybody knew, because it happened in public. we knew and he knew that violence on january 6 in d.c. was foreseeable using the previous incidence of violence of the president's supporters to give weight to the contention he knew what he was getting into.
that his previous experience with supporters reacting violent, armed confrontation in response to the president's words, that shows that any reasonable person and indeed president donald j. trump on january 6 could have foreseen his words and actions that day would lead to violence on that day. and then in what was a big reveal of the day the managers introduced some new evidence about the permit for the trump rally on january 6 in d.c. evidence that goes beyond the idea that the violence that day was just foreseeable and shows how the president actually intervened to change the plans of that day, change the plans for that day to make violence more likely than it otherwise would have been. >> on december 19, president trump tweeted his save the date for january 6th. he told his supporters to come
to d.c. where a big protest the day billing it as wild. just days later women for america first amended their permit to hold the rally on january 6 pursuant to the president's save the date instead of after the inauguration. this was deliberate. reports confirm that the president himself, president trump became directly involved with the planning of the event. women for america first had initially planned for the rally goers to remain at the ellipse until the counting of the state electoral slates was completed. just like they had remained at freedom plaza after the second million maga march. in fact, the permit stated in no uncertain terms that the march from the ellipse was not
permitted. it was not until after president trump and his team became involved in the planning that the march from the ellipse to the capitol came about. in direct convention of the original permit. this was not a coincidence. none of this was. donald trump over many months cultivated violence, praised it and then when he saw the violence his supporters were capable of, he channelled it to his big, wild, historic event. he organized january th be same people that had just rally and made sure this time these violent rally goers wouldn't just remain in place. he made sure that those violent
people would literally march right here to our steps, from the ellipse to the capitol, to stop the steal. >> delegate stacey plaskett of virgin islands doing a phenomenal job with her portion of the presentation today from the house impeachment managers. this new evidence from the managers bolsters reporting from "the new york times" a couple weeks ago that there hadn't been a plan for the rally goers to march on the actual capitol until they made it their event. that is when they changed the plans for the rally goers to march from the rally grounds to the capitol building because trump wanted that. "the new york times" had reported that in the last couple of weeks. stacey plaskett today in the senate impeachment trial with the receipts showing that the permit, in fact, never had
accommodation for that. that was something that the trump white house wanted to do. president knew the supporters were primed for violence, the words had spurred them to violence multiple times, changed the rally to be a march on the capitol. the impeachment managers today essentially dared senators to look at the evidence and try to believe, try to maintain that donald trump didn't know what he was inciting that day. i think the most powerful part of the day though came from the house manager stacey plaskett and congressman swalwell of california, both lawyers and impeachment manager left it to them on the day to do in painstaking work of recreating minute by minute really what the attack was, once it happened, what the character of it was. there is no way to sum this up and describe it the way to do it justice. while this is happening live i
sent noelt to the prowse deers that work on this show, how on earth do we summarize this? i sent notes to other hosts on network, to executives on this network and trust me i never ask executives about anything but i felt i needed help and advice. how do we summarize something like this? i don't think we can sort of, you know, give it a thumbnail summary in a way that fully capture what is they did. i'm happy to tell you that msnbc is going to play the bulk of it midnight eastern. but what they presented in that part of the president's impeachment trial today was essentially a visual autopsy of how it happened, breaking into the capitol, what they did inside, the violence committed toward law enforcement, much of which we had never seen before, the accounts of police officers' injuries in fbi indictments and some of the rioters, police
officer unions how many officers were injured and hospitalized but didn't see the combat that police officers were in with the president's mob for hours. in a way that we saw it today. we also had not truly seen before today how close we came to a mass casualty event at the u.s. capitol. we have heard members hear their belief they were close to being killed that day. we saw that they were right. house managers better part of two hours to lay out the visual evidence of the mob that the president incited at the capitol. and some of that footage was familiar to us. the man who was holstering that 950,000 volt stun gun mounted on a hiking staff sitting at nancy pelosi's desk. those chanting hang mike pence at the capitol as they literally hunted for and tried to find vice president pence. police officer getting crushed by protesters.
in a doorway screaming for help and screaming in pain. but the impeachment managers in addition to some of that footage they presented new footage, new audio that was brand new to the public. the house managers, for example, played never before heard audio communications between law enforcement officials who were trying to defend the capitol that day. i'm going to play a little bit of that and just for context here when you call them calling dso, we think domestic security operations. i didn't know what that meant in this context before today. "the washington post" is explaining that when you hear the officers reference dso domestic security operations it means they're calling for help from the part of the police department that handles chemical munitions because that's the help they were asking for to deal with the on-rushing mob when they were overrun and get
us those kind of officers with that kind of equipment here immediately. you will also hear an officer say 1033. i repeat 10-33. west front of the capitol. what that means is 10-33 is emergency. that's the officer saying there's an emergency. at the west front of the capitol. officers in need of immediate assistance. listen. >> about 50 charging up the hill on the left front. i just know that it's at the stories. approaching the wall now. >> reviewing stand. >> 150. give me -- here now! dso! full law enforcement injuries. dso! get up here. >> reinforcements now. pulling the gates now. throwing plates at us. >> fireworks. i don't know.
>> requesting -- we need -- >> we need you! we're surrounded! >> they have breached the scaffold. they are behind our lines. >> we are still taking rocks, bottles and pieces of the flag and metal pole! cruiser 50, the crowd is using munitions against us. they have bear spray in the crowd. bear spray in the crowd. >> we have lost the line! we have lost the loon! get back! pull back up to the upper deck! all mpd pull back to the upper deck! asap. pum back to the upper deck! upper deck. cruiser 50. we're flanked. 10-33. i repeat, 10-33 west front of the capitol.
we have been flanked and we've lost the line. >> we've lost the line. that's what they say there. we've lost the line. never before heard police communications as they were attacked, overrun, injured, one killed. house managers showed internal security footage taken by cameras inside the capitol. none was publicly seen before. security cameras capturing rioters breaking down the front doors of the capitol building using trump flags to bust the glass and get inside. another security camera showing the rioters when they located the door that led to the house floor. the members of congress were gathered. one rioter waving on the rest of the mob as they stream toward that door leading to the house floor. in this video see the rioters brawling engaging in what looks like hand to hand combat with
police officers outside the metal detectors that you have to pass through to get into the capitol complex. this is footage from a police officer's body camera from the moment he was being dragged down the capitol steps and pummeled and stomped by the pro trump mob. we also got more insight from this new security footage about what happened to lawmakers and the staff members that day trying to escape the trump mob. this is a terrifying moment showing republican senator mitt romney, it's him, unknowingly walking toward the mob. the officer there runs toward him at full tilt. that's eugene goodman, the man who may have saved the senate. he warns mitt romney there and pulls him in the other direction. to prevent romney from walking directly into the path of the mob. house managers showed this new security footage of former vice president mike pence being evacuated. and you can see on the diagram of the capitol on the lower left side of the screen the house managers added there to show
just how close to the mob vice president pence was there when he was being evacuated. house manager eric swalwell played this video twice. it shows multiple u.s. senators being evacuated down a hallway while police officers beyond them basically blocked the sight of the senators with their bodies. mob was on the far end of that corridor. the police officers putt themselves between the senators and the mob. and the senators ran past to safety. there's reporting out of the chamber today senators were seen pointing at that video recognizing themselves and colleagues as they were running down the corridor steps away from where the police were holding back the mob. they had never seen the footage either. senator chuck schumer almost walked directly into the mob that day. house managers say he came within yards of the rioters and had to turn around.
came up the rarp and back down that ramp his security detail turned him around and ended up shutting the doors with their bodies to keep him safe. security footage also captured a group of speaker nancy pelosi's staff members running into a conference room and barricading themselves behind two doors to keep safe and then that camera captured a throng of rioters down the hallway outside that very door trying to bang down the doors at that moment they were shelter behind. here's they are watching the video. they hadn't seen it before today. none of us. three holding hands as they watched. whatever else happens here, however they vote and however this resolves politically no matter what we hear from the president's defense on friday and saturday, the impeachment managers have given us a history that we did not have before.
a factual basis for understanding what happened here to stand up against the revisionism and the minimizing of this attack that's already happening full tilt on the right and particularly in the skefl media. that is what they did today, no matter the consequence. in terms of the plit call fallout and the vote. what they did in indelible in terms of our history as a country. we'll talk to senators who were in the room for it today when we come back. stay with us. >> man: what's my safelite story? i spend a lot of time in my truck. it's my livelihood. ♪ rock music ♪
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these attackers stood right where you are. they went on that podium. they rifled but through your desks and desecrated this place and literally the president sat delighted. doing nothing to help us. calling one of you to pressure you to stop the certification. it can't be that the commander in chief can incite a lawless, bloody insurrection and then utterly fail in his duty as commander in chief to defend us from the attack, to defend our law enforcement officers from that attack and just get away with it. donald trump abdicated his duty to us all. we have to make this right. and you can make it right. >> house impeachment manager
david cicilline of rhode island with appeal to the senators in that chamber who of course are both jurors and witnesses to the crime in this impeachment trial. joining us now is delaware senator chris coons. i appreciate you making time to be here with us tonight. i will tell you it was absolutely gut wrenching at home watching the proceedings today, really interested to hear from you what it was like today in the room. >> rachel, it was a long and a very hard day. you have just shown some of the clips that were the most compelling. the moments where senators, myself included, for the very first time saw a video clip of us running down the hallway and realized that we were just 50 feet away from an angry mob. that clip you showed of senator mitt romney walking directly towards the mob and being turned around by officer goodman. i think for a lot of us today was the first time we really put it altogether and the house
managers did an amazing job of givings the timeline, the order, the clarity, the forcefulness of the moments. this is a day we won't forget. we shouldn't forget. >> are there conversations happening among senators? i have to imagine -- i thought i recognized you in that footage that we all saw for the first time ushered down that corridor and i have to imagine when you and your colleagues are seeing something for the first time recognizing that you all were in a circumstance that you didn't necessarily appreciate before today that it may make you want to talk with them about what you are seeing and newly understanding. are those conversations happening amongst senators? >> i've had some very forceful conversations with my democratic colleagues. there's not been a lot of conversation across the aisle today. particularly this afternoon and evening. look. honestly, i have a hard time understanding how anyone could watch what we have seen the last two days and not vote to convict
president trump. >> the objection that i saw today from senator cruz who has his own story within this drama was that he didn't feel that the president's actions would rise to the level of being criminally convicted of incitement and that that was reason enough to not convict him in a court of impeachment. what's your reaction to that? >> senator cruz is a clever lawyer but i don't see the relevance because the constitution gave us the obligation as senators to use this one important constitutional mechanism for accountability for a president who utterly abdicated an oath and just denied the responsibilities that a president has and i think as he just showed congressman
cicilline laid it out so clearly. president trump did nothing to help the members of the congress, to help his own vice president when an angry mob was chanting hang mike pence, and the idea that maybe if he were in a criminal court of law there's a higher standard and not convicted i think is a clever way of avoiding accountability for delivering consequences. that's why we're here. we are here adds a court of impeachment. president trump is impeached while he was president and i think it's undeniable under the lang wang of the constitution this is our job. we should do it. >> delaware u.s. senator chris coons, senator, thank you for making time tonight. i know this is an emotional and busy time. >> thank you. >> thanks. let's bring the conversation to the friend and minnesota senator amy klobuchar also in the room today and who i believe i recognized in that same footage being ushered down the corridor not more than 50 or 60 feet from
the mob on the other side of the capitol police officers. i'm glad you could make time to be here tonight. >> thank you, rachel. thank you. >> i have to ask, was that -- did you learn things today about the peril that you yourself and your staff were at that you didn't know before seeing some of that footage today? >> i had staff because i was leaving the -- ted cruz actually to uphold the electoral college votes and i had just made the case after he spoke when all this happened so i had -- in a room right where they entered in a closet with of course two of them for two hours and heard it from their perspective and i didn't think as mump about the senators. we were protected by the police. it is the police that i think people saw strikingly today, the officers shrieking trying to defend our democracy, the police officer into the rotunda all
done after having the rioters use the n-word against him 15 times and turn to another black officer and said is this america? those officers, they're the ones that were on the front line protecting us. to think that one of them died because of his -- and to think another two of them committed suicide shortly after this happened i think is pretty sobering to think of what they went through and the fact that president trump would not even send a tweet to defend our democracy while that officer was shrieking in pain at the door trying to defend it. >> i was struck by the argument, the close of tonight's presentation that president trump never called in the national guard, never did anything to give any backup to the officers as they were being overrun and so many injured and one of them was killed.
that just stark statement that there's no evidence that even though the national guard was eventually called in no evidence that president trump had anything to do with that. also, the stark statement and maybe this is a simple thing, earlier in the day that president trump never once on the day of the attack con delled the violence at the capitol and did the next day but while it was under way on january 6 he didn't condemn it and just that, that stark presentation about what the president didn't do left me feeling shook today at the end of this. >> it is not just what he did and we all know that. the tweets leading up to it, the assault on the election officials in the month before. it is what he didn't do. it's the compelling case, the stronger evidence, hours to send a tweet and commending them calling them patriots saying he loved them. the own family members asking him to do something. governor christie pleading with
him to do something. kevin mccarthy going on fox news and saying this has to stop. all the people that called the national guard including his own vice president, the national guard, the head of the national guard published who called him and it wasn't donald trump. so when you go through all of that, it just simply is to me it was enough by what he said when he incited the rioters, told them to march down pennsylvania avenue. but the final piece of evidence i don't think you need more than that is that he did nothing to really stop it. republicans crying for him to do it over and over again. >> minnesota senator amy klobuchar, again, thank you for making time tonight. i know this is a difficult and sort of at least just watching at home a gut wrenching time. this is a blessing to have you with us tonight. thanks. >> thanks. all right. we have got much more to come tonight. stay with us. hygienic clean!
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one of president trump's key defenses focused on what he said for a few seconds, 15 minutes into the speech. >> i know and patriotically make your voices heard. >> in a speech spanning almost 11,000 words, yes, we did check, that was the one time, the only time president trump used the word "peaceful" or any suggestion of nonviolence. the implication of the president's tweets, the rally and the speeches were clear. president trump used the word "fight" or "fighting," 20 times, incluing telling the crowd they needed to fight like hell to save our democracy. we know how the crowd responded to donald trump's words and we know how they responded to his speech. >> 11,000 words in that speech.
former president trump said the word "peaceful" once in those 11,000 words. if you're counting, he told the same crowd 20 times in that speech that they needed to fight. jennifer jacobs, bloomberg news reporting tonight when the former president's defense lawyers have had their turn at bat, or are going to have their turn at bat, excuse me, they tend to lean heavily on that single phrase, "peacefully and patriotically" during his speech. they're assembling more a dozen videos with what they hope will be a stronger argument after the rambling argument by bruce castor, a performance that was widely panned. in addition to that news, apart from jennifer jacobs' reporting, we know that former president trump has been unhappy with his defense team's performance thus far. joining us now, jennifer jacobs from bloomberg news. thank you for making the time to
be here. >> thanks, rachel. >> so, a significant swath of the country, i think it's fair to say, is pretty riveted by the impeachment managers' presentation their side of the argument. how are things going on the other side and how does the president feel about his defense and how it's shaping up? >> i can tell you, they are riveted as well. i know for a fact, just from talking to my sources today, that his allies, the president and his allies have been watching the live coverage. trump is, of course, watching from his private quarters at mar-a-lago. he has a very small crew around him, including just a few advisers, including dan scavino and brian jack, who is down there, i know. he has been watching. i know he has grown increasingly aggravated, as things have gone on. of course, today was all about the house managers building
their case against trump, and there was less of a focus, of course, on the president's defense. and i know that he had some conversations today about wanting more of his allies to be appearing on television. so, that's one of the things that has been frustrating him. there's also some concerns in the inner circle, i've been told, about who democrats go after next. is there a possibility that they would go after some of the people who were around the president on january 6th, some of the lower-tier aides who helped organize that rally on the ellipse? there's various concerns. the president is planning out their strategy for friday, for their defense, and planning out very much what that will look like. >> it sounds like they may have some concern -- maybe i'm reading into this, but it sounds like there's this open question as to whether or not witnesses will be called. it sounds like if they're worried about people around the
president potentially being dragged into this, it sounds like they would have a strong prevention that witnesses not be called, if the house managers indeed decide to go that route. >> i think part of the concern is what happens after the impeachment trial wraps up, whether democrats start taking action or calling in some of those other trump aides and allies. but i've been told multiple times, and i keep asking this, is there any chance at all that the former president comes up to d.c. to be a witness, and i've been told repeatedly no, that is not going to happen. >> what about the potential vote here? we've seen lots of reporting that the republicans in general, that president trump perhaps specifically is confident that there will be a vote to acquit at the end because you're not going to get 17 republicans. on the other hand senator mcconnell says a vote to convict trump will be seen as a vote of conscience, not a whipped vote.
they don't expect people to vote to not go ahead with the trial are not expected to necessarily acquit in the end. are president trump and his crew there at all concerned about the republican votes? >> well, i was told -- i've been asking his team and people around, people familiar with it what they're planning on arguing, and how they're going to -- they realize they had a very bad day on their opening day. so, they've been trying to improve that. they've got a bunch of videos plan. part of their strategy, as you mentioned, is to keep repeating that phrase during he did during the january 6th, "peacefully and patriotically" gatherings, they're really going to lean hard on that. they have some arguments, i'm told, arguing that a judge can't be a juror at the same time, like the presiding officer, senator patrick leahy, is doing. they've got other arguments lined up about constitutional standing. i don't think that they're
terribly concerned. in fact, i know that people around the president keep reassuring him, don't worry. there won't be enough republicans to convict. they do not think that there will be, you know, a conviction. i was told today that they are pretty certain they didn't hear it directly from senator mcconnell but they doubt senator mcconnell would vote to convict. as trump grows more and more frustrated, i know people around him have been trying to reassure him, despite how everything is going, just wait for the eventual outcome, which is going to be an acquittal. >> jennifer jacobs, senior white house reporter at bloomberg news, doing phenomenal work for a long time, but particularly in recent weeks and months. jennifer, thanks for being with us tonight. i really appreciate it. >> thank you. so, big night here at msnbc. i want to let you know, we will be live until 2:00 a.m. tonight. we've still got lots to come. stay with us. we'll be right back. me stay with us we'll be right back.
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the house impeachment managers made their case for just under six hours today. they had up to eight hours available to them. they didn't take all of their time. they'll have that eight-hour window available to them again tomorrow. they will start their case mid-day, but we'll see how tomorrow goes. see you again tomorrow night. now it's time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." good evening, lawrence. >> they faced a challenge today, telling us something we thought we knew. we thought we knew what happened he