tv Second Impeachment Trial of Donald J. Trump MSNBC February 10, 2021 9:00pm-11:00pm PST
colleagues at the networks of nbc news, good night. hey there, i'm joshua johnson at nbc world headquarters in new york. it's special coverage of the second impeachment trial of donald trump on msnbc. it is rare to see a room full of senators stunned into silence. today, the senate fell silent. it's easy to want to turn away from what we saw on january 6th, but today, the room was riveted by views of the attack that had never been released. on january 6th, the nation and the world watched the attack on the capitol in horror. impeachment managers depicted that day in new detail, releasing security footage and police radio traffic for the first time. it all helped lay out the clearest, most comprehensive timeline of events yet, making their case for convicting mr. trump. whether you've been following the trial closely or you've been avoiding it, because let's be
real, it's hard to watch, today's case is worth seeing. so, tonight, we're highlighting the evidence presented by two house impeachment managers, stacey plaskett and eric swalwell. the new footage they laid out shows just how close lawmakers came to rioters who were out to get them. perhaps to kill them. vice president mike pence came extremely close. if the senate is going to convict mr. trump, it will do so partly on this new evidence released today. in this hour, we'll get out of the way and get you up to speed with extended cuts of the evidence. we begin with congresswoman stacey plaskett explaining how one capitol hill police officer saved a lot of lives. >> in this security footage, you can see officer goodman running to respond to the initial breach.
officer goodman passes senator mitt romney and directs him to turn around in order to get to safety. on the first floor, just beneath them, the mob had already started to search for the senate chamber. officer goodman made his way down to the first floor, where he encountered the same insurrectionists we just saw watch breach the capitol. in this video, we can see the rioters surge toward officer goodman. recall that the rioters are in red and officer goodman, in this model, is in blue. watch officer goodman, who backs up the stairs.
>> [ bleep ]. >> don't do it. >> hey! >> where are they counting the votes? where are they counting? where are they counting? hey! >> these people -- these people -- these people have no weapons. >> go, go. >> these people have no weapons. we have no [ bleep ] weapons. >> back up! >> although they were shouting that they did not have any weapons, we know from the earlier video that that's not true. the second assailant through that breach was the one carrying a metal baseball bat. we know there were other weapons
there that day. did you hear the other shouts? we're here for you. he's one person, we're thousands. and where do they count the votes? they were coming at the urging of donald trump to keep congress, a separate branch of government, from certifying the results of a presidential election. as the rioters reached the top of the stairs, they were within 100 feet of where the vice president was sheltering with his family. and they were just feet away from one of the doors to this chamber, where many of you remained at that time. i also want to show you a different angle from the security footage of officer goodman's acts. this video is on the second floor of the senate wing of the capitol. the red dot, as you'll recall, represents the insurrectionists.
the blue dot is officer goodman, who led the mob away from the chamber just minuts earlier. on the left-hand side of the video, just inside the hallway is the door to the senate chamber. and watch how officer goodman provokes the rioters and purposefully draws them away from the door to the senate chamber and towards the other officers waiting down the hall. the rioter seen carrying a baseball bat in this video is the same one we saw moments ago breaching the window on the first floor. while all of this was going on, vice president pence was still in the room near the senate chamber. it was not until 2:26 that he
was evacuated to a secure location. this next security video shows that evacuation. his movements are depicted by the orange dot in our model. the red and blue dots represents the location where the mob and officer goodman were and where officer goodman led the mob away from the chamber, just moments ago. you can see vice president pence and his family quickly move down the stairs. the vice president turns around briefly as he's headed down. as pence was being evacuated, rioters started to spread throughout the capitol. those inside helped other rioters break in through doors in several locations around this entire building. and the mob was looking for vice
president pence because of his patriotism. because the vice president had refused to do what the president demanded and overturn the election results. during the assault on the capitol, extremists reportedly coordinated online and discussed how they could hunt down the vice president. journalists in the capitol reported they heard rioters say they were looking for pence in order to execute him. trump's supporters had erected a gallows on the lawn in front of the capitol building. another group of rioters chanted, "hang mike pence" as they stood in the open door of the capitol building. you can hear the security alarm from the door in the background and you can hear the mob calling
for the death of the vice president of the united states. >> hang mike pence! hang mike pence! hang mike pence! hang mike pence! hang mike pence! hang mike pence! hang mike pence! hang mike pence! >> this wasn't an isolated area or incident where that was being told. where that was being said. it was going on everywhere. here's another example of the crowd outside, yelling, "bring out pence. bring him out." >> bring him out! >> bring him out! >> bring him out! >> bring out pence! >> bring him out! >> bring out pence! >> bring him out! >> bring out pence! >> bring him out! >> after president trump had primed his followers for months and enflamed the rally-goers that morning, it is no wonder that the vice president of the united states was the target of
their rath, after pence refused to overturn the election results. listen to this man explain. >> well, congress, cowards, hid in their -- inside and were emergency escorted away because of fear of the people. of course, they're cowards, can't face the people, can't do the right thing. pence lied to us. he's a total treasonous pig and his name will be mud forever. now the real battle begins. and it looks like the american people are very pissed. so, good luck with that. peace out. >> peace out. several insurrectionists described what they planned to do if they encountered the vice president or other lawmakers. one of them, dominick pizzola,
also known as spaz, is a member of the proud boys, as we've discussed. he came to the capitol on january 6th with deadly intentions. he commandeered a capitol police shield, used it to smash a glass window, entered the capitol and paved the way for dozens of insurrectionists. as you recall from an earlier video, pizzola was one of the first wave of rioters to breach the building. on the left, you can see a screenshot from the video of the break-in we showed earlier. and on the right, you can see pizzola in the mob, chase capitol police officer eugene goodman through the building. he is the man in the center of the photo with the gray beard. he has since been charged with eight federal crimes for his conduct related to january 6th. according to an fbi agent's
affidavit submitted to the court, the group that was with him during the sack of the capitol confirmed that they were out to murder, quote, anyone they got their hands on. here's what the fbi said. and i quote, "other members of the group talked about things they had done that day and they said that anyone they got their hands on they would have killed, including nancy pelosi and that," quote, "they would have killed vice president mike pence if given the chance." they were talking about assassinating the vice president of the united states. during the course of the attack, the vice president never left the capitol, remained locked down with his family, with his family, inside the building. remember that, as you think about these images and the sounds of the attack.
the vice president, our second in command, was always at the center of it. vice president pence was threatened with death by the president's supporters because he rejected president trump's demand that he overturn the election. >> you heard congresswoman plaskett mention the mob targeting house speaker nancy pelosi. her video xef represents included hunting for the house speaker, yelling things, like "where are you nancy, we're looking for you." just how close did they come to finding her or her staff? you'll see for yourself when our special coverage continues. r powered ingredients that fight stink oxi boost febreze odor remover and concentrated detergent. try gain flings and smell the difference. are the color cartridges in your printer ready for another school year? (boy) what's cyan mean? it means "cyanora," honor roll.
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welcome back. the mob that attacked the capitol made it clear that they were gunning for specific lawmakers. among them, house speaker nancy pelosi. today, impeachment manager stacey plaskett argued that donald trump is directly responsible for putting pelosi in their crosshairs. she presented new evidence showing pelosi's staffers running for safety. some of the rioters made it clear, if they caught her, they would kill her. >> the mob continued to look for speaker pelosi throughout the time they occupied the capitol, including invading her offices. watch now how the mob searches for speaker pelosi's office, which is marked in red, and the house chamber itself. >> where are you, nancy? we're looking for you.
nancy! oh, nancy! nancy! where are you, nancy? >> during the siege, the speaker's staff took cover in her office, hiding in fear for their lives for hours, as rioters broke in and ransacked her office. as the rioters were breaking into the capitol, her staff retreated into an interior room. eight of them gathered in a conference room. about the same time, capitol police announced the capitol had been breached. speaker pelosi's staff heeded the call to shelter in place. on our model, you can see the rioters in the rotunda in red and the speaker's office, again, in orange. so, this is a security video, so there is no sound.
as you can see here, the staff moves from their offices, through the halls and then enters a door on the right-hand side. that's the outer door of a conference room which also has an inner door that they barricaded with furniture. the staff then hid under a conference room table in that inner room. this is the last staffer going in and then barricading themselves inside of the iner office. after just seven minutes of them barricading themselves and the last staffer entering the door on the right, a group of rioters enter the hallway outside. and once inside, the rioters have free rein in the speaker of
the house's offices. in this security video, pay attention to the door that we saw those staffers leading into and going into. one of the rioters, you can see, is throwing his body against the door three times until he breaks open that outer door. luckily, when faced with the inner door, he moves on. another rioter later tried, unsuccessfully, to break through that inner door. at this point, the mob had already broken into the speaker's formal conference room that is in the back of the hall, at the top of the video. i want to play some audio we have of the speaker's staff, with the rioters at the door that day. you can hear the terror in their voice as they describe what's happening to them as they are barricaded in that conference
room. please listen carefully. because the staffers whispering into a phone as he hides from the rioters that are outside the door. >> we need capitol police, i think, they're pounding on the doors trying to find her. >> yeah. >> you can hear the pounding in the background as that staffer is speaking. one of those staffers explained later that they could hear the mob going through her offices, breaking down the door and yelling, "where are you, nancy?" the mob also pillaged and vandalized the speaker's office and documented their crimes on social media. they stole objects, desecrated the office of the speaker of the
house of representatives of the united states. as you can see in these photos, rioters broke down a door, they also shattered a mirror. at 2:50 p.m., several rioters, including richard barnett, entered speaker pelosi's office. the world is all now too familiar with the images from these slides. if you look closely, however, at the now infamous pictures of barnett with his feet on the desk, you might see something that you didn't notice previously. here's a better look. as this photo highlights, he's carrying a stun gun tucked into his waistband. the fbi identified the device as a 950,000-volt stun gun walking stick. the weapon could have caused serious pain and incapacitated
anyone barnett had used it against. richard barnett bragged about his actions. he was proud of the way he desecrated the speaker of the house's office. he left a note. "we will not back down." here's barnett in his own words. >> how did you get it? >> i didn't steal it. i couldn't [ bleep ] see and so i figure, well, i'm in her office, i got blood in her office, i put a quarter on her desk, even though she saint [ bleep ] worth it. and i left her a note on her desk that says, " -- was here you [ bleep ]." trump's mob ransacked the speaker of the house's office. they terrorized her staff.
again, that is a mob that was sent by the president of the united states to stop the certification of an election. the vice president, the speaker of the house. the first and second in line to the presidency were performing their constitutional duties, presiding over the election certification and they were put in danger, because president trump put his own desires, his own need for power, over his duty to the constitution and our democratic process. president trump put a target on their backs and his mob broke into the capitol to hunt them down. >> that was house impeachment manager stacey plaskett of the
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virgin islands. she explained that some rioters were out to catch and kill speaker nancy pelosi, among others. next up was congressman eric swalwell from california's east bay. he picked up where plaskett left off. his narrative begins as rioters breach the doors and force their way into the capitol. he presented newly released video and laid out how members of the house and senate huddled in fear. it's worth noting, january 6th could have been much worse, much deadlier, if an array of things had not gone the way they did. fair warning, some of the evidence coming up is especially disturbing, including the moment a woman in the mob was shot. >> rioters who had entered the building through the senate quickly spread out through the capitol. many headed towards the house and senate chambers. after speaker pelosi was ushered out, chairman mcgovern was presiding in the house, attempting to keep the counting process going.
on our phones, members were receiving security updates and watching social media to see the horror that was going on outside. we never thought it would make its way in. by 2:25 p.m., rioters who were already in the building opened the east side doors of the capitol rotunda to let more of the mob in. they quickly flooded through the doors, overwhelming the officers. this is new security footage of those doors and as before, the mob is identified with the red dot on the model of the capitol. if you look closely, you'll see the first person through the door is holding a trump flag.
>> inside the house chamber, a security officer suspended the floor debate to update members. >> disbursement of tear gas in the rotunda. there are masks under your seats. please grab a mask, place it in your lap and be prepared to don your mask in the event there is a breach. >> we were told there were tear gas masks under our seats. chairman mcgovern called the house back into session, but only four minutes later, at 2:30 p.m., the house abruptly recessed. a new security announcement was made. >> everybody, you need to be
prepared to get down under your chairs if necessary, so we have folks entering the rotunda and coming down this way, so, we'll update you as soon as we can, but just be prepared. stay calm. >> at this point, inside the house chamber, we could now hear the pounding on the doors. at 2:35 p.m., members of the house floor were told an evacuation route was secured and it was time to leave. this video shows members of congress exiting to the side of the podium where we would go through the house lobby and downstairs. because of coronavirus restrictions, congressional members have been waiting in the gallery for their time to speak, just one level above the house floor. representatives, staff, journalists, all took cover
under their chairs, helped each other put on their gas masks and held hands as rioters gathered outside. here in this slide, you see representative jason crow comforting our colleague, representative susan wild. the rioters continued to surround the house chamber, flooding the halls and kicking on the doors as they passed them. this security video shows ashi babbitt, followed by others in the mob, turning the corner toward the house lobby doors where the members were leaving.
ashli babbitt attempted to climb through a shattered window into the house lobby. to protect the members in the lobby, an officer discharged his weapon and she was killed. i want to warn everyone that the next video, which shows her death, is graphic. >> there's a gun, there's a gun. >> he's got a gun! [ shouting ] >> oh, [ bleep ]. oh! >> inside the chamber, representatives, staff and journalists remained trapped in
the gallery. one floor above the house floor. and heard the gunshot. my colleague, representative dan kildee, produced this recording. >> hey, take your pins off. >> what the -- >> take your pins off. >> pins off. >> out of fear that they'd be seen or taken by the mob, my colleagues were telling each other to take off their congressional pins. that buzzing sound that you hear in the background of these videos was a sound of the gas masks. it was not until approximately 2:50 p.m., about six minutes after the shooting, downstairs, remaining members, staff and journalists in the gallery were finally able to flee. in this security footage video, you can see them exiting. many members are still wearing their gas masks. they walked just feet away from
where capitol police are holding an insurrectionist at gun point. just minutes earlier, that insurrectionist had tried to open the gallery door and thankfully was stopped by a tactical team. as you heard from manager plaskett, vice president pence was moved away from the area near the senate chamber around 2:25 p.m. by that time, rioters had breached several areas close to this chamber and they were flooding the hallways just
outside and nearby. the senate chamber was not evacuated until 2:30 p.m. the mob had been in the buildinging for more than 15 minutes. this new security footage of the senators and staff leaving the chamber will be displayed on the screens. it is silent. you cannot see it in this footage, but quick-thinking senate floor staff grabbed and protected the electoral ballots
that the mob was after. those of you who were here that day will recall that once you left the senate floor, you moved through a hallway to get to safety. that hallway was near where officer goodman had encountered a mob and led them upstairs and away from the senate chamber. you know how close you came to the mob. some of you, i understand, could hear them. but most of the public does not know how close these rioters came to you. as you were moving through that hallway, i paced it off, you were just 58 steps away from where the mob was amassing and where police were rushing to stop them. they were yelling.
additional security footage shows how leader schumer and the members of his protective detail had a near miss with the mob. they came within just yards of rioters and had to turn around. here in this new video, you see leader schumer walking up a ramp. going up the ramp with his detail, he'll soon go out of view. seconds later, they return and run back down the hallway and officers immediately shut the door and use their bodies to keep them safe. >> members of congress were not the only ones in danger that day. the men and women defending the capitol stood in the way of the
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attack and what it was like for the officers defending the capitol that day. and again, i want to warn you that the following audio and videos are graphic and are unsettling. but it's important that we understand the extent of what occurred. here's an audio recording from the radio traffic of the d.c. metropolitan police department describing the violence. >> cruiser a 50, i copy. we're still taking rocks, bottles, and people of flag and metal pole. cruiser 50, the crowd is using munitions against us. they have bear spray in the crowd. bear spray in the crowd. >> multiple deployments. u.s. capitol with pepper spray. dso, dso. i need a re-up. i need a re-up up here. >> hours after members of the
house and senate had left this area, on the west front of the building, the mob continued to grow, continued to beat the officers as they tried to get in. in this new security video, you can see the mob attacking officers with the crutch, a hockey stick, a bull horn and a trump flag. the attack on police that afternoon was constant. metropolitan police officer, a 20-year police veteran with four daughters, was part of a line of
officers protecting the capitol. he was one of three officers that the mob dragged down the stairs. when they dragged him, they stole his badge, his radio, his ammunition magazine and they tased him, triggering a heart attack. here he describes his experience. >> looked like a medieval battle scene. some of the most brutal combat i've ever encountered. at one point, i got tased, people were yelling out, you know, "we got one, we got one." >> officer christina lowry, who regularly serves in mpd's narcotics and specialized investigation division, also protected the front capitol entrance. here's her experience. >> i can't say enough about the officers that were there, the officers that were on the front line. and when i say the front line, i mean literally officers that were in a line, stopping these
people that were beating them with metal poles, they were spraying them with bear mace, i mean, they did everything in their power to not let those people in and this was going on for hours. >> around 4:30 p.m., hours into the capitol riots, officer daniel hodges was protecting a west side capitol entrance when rioters who were trying to stop the certification trapped him between two doors. when officer hodges was interviewed later, this is how he described what was happening. >> they drew down a huge metal object that hit me in the head. i was also knocked down. the medical mask i was wearing at the time got pulled up over my eyes so i was on the ground and blinded and they started just attacking me from all sides. >> rioters crushed officer hodges. he was wedged in the doorway, blood dripping from his mouth. he was struggling to breathe.
all while the insurrectionists hit him. officer hodges' experience reminds you of what he and many other officers experienced that day. what they went through. we're also reminded of the three officers who lost their lives, capitol hill police officers sicknick, lebengood and metropolitan police officer smith. in many law enforcement families, we pray for our loved ones and we know the scripture of matthew, chapter five, verse nine. blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of god. i'm sorry i have to show you the next video. but in it, you will see how blessed we were that on that hellish day, we had a peacemaker like officer hodges protecting our lives, our staff's lives.
[ shouting ] >> ah! help! ah -- ah! >> that's how the prosecution ended its case today, with the words of impeachment manager eric swalwell, the congressman from california's east bay. our panel's up next to continue our coverage and analysis of the senate impeachment trial, but first, here's one more image to end this hour. it's a picture of speaker nancy pelosi's staff as the mob ransacked her office that day, they barricaded themselves in a conference room. at least one rioter broke an outer door leading to them, but thankfully not the inner door. this picture shows the staffers today holding hands and watching
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. hey there, i'm joshua johnson at nbc news world headquarters in new york. this is special coverage of the second impeachment trial of donald trump on msnbc. house impeachment managers are making their case for conviction, and their evidence has gone from unsettling to unnerving. the prosecution laid out specific, sometimes graphic evidence linking the former president to the violence of january 6th. america watched it all happen, but today we saw something new. last hour we showed you some of the newly released footage the managers played this evening. it captured the heartbreaking insurrection and heart stopping moments from radio traffic of overwhelmed police officers pleading for backup, to videos of lawmakers taking cover and being led to safety.
security cameras caught them perilously close to rioters who were literally hunting for them. the managers' argument to senators, donald trump's rhetoric could have gotten you killed. >> the very day before the attack, president trump's threats grew even more heated and specific towards republicans that he considered to be part of that surrender caucus. now we've shown you this tweet before, but i want to drawing your attention to how the president was not just inciting his base but how he was also calling out specific republicans at the end of this tweet. this is a specific warning to anyone who won't help him overturn the results, anyone who was against the president became an e enemy. and let me be very clear, the president wasn't just coming for one or two people or democrats like me. he was coming for you. >> the prosecution also honed in on how mr. trump's words and
actions put vice president mike pence in danger. one video clip showed a rioter with a bull horn reading a trump tweet directed at mr. pence. >> he further incites the mob against his own vice president whose life was being threatened. some of you may say, well, who was paying attention anyway. well, that mob was paying attention. >> mike pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our country and our constitution giving states a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. the u.s. demands the truth. >> now, it's important to bear in mind this is not a criminal trial. it's a governmental trial.
in this case the jury members also victims of a crime, the chamber is also the scene of the crime. how might today's arguments affect the verdict? senator mitch mcconnell remained vocally supportive of the former president during his first impeachment. now multiple sources tell us that mr. mcconnell is undecided on conviction now. meanwhile, sketch artist art lee captured missouri republican senator josh hawley sitting up in the gallery. nbc's garrett haake noticed mr. hawley with his feet up on the seat looking at paperwork. some republicans say they are keeping an open mind including the gop's second ranking senator. >> i've said all along i was going to listen to the arguments and look at the evidence, and i'm doing that, and like i said, these guys were -- i think they were very effective, and i'll see what kind of argument the defense puts up. but yeah, i'm going to listen
and draw conclusions when it's all done. >> also independent senator angus king of maine told our colleague nicolle wallace about his conversation with a republican colleague. >> i did just have an incidental conversation with a republican colleague, and his only comment to me was i hope everyone in the country is seeing this. i thought that was an interesting comment. now, i don't know what that means. he wasn't one of the six who voted yesterday but perhaps it means that this is having an impact. >> perhaps, but what will that impact be? where does the prosecution stand now? how will the defense respond? what does all of this mean for our larger fight against far right extremism in america, and how are we dealing with the sheer emotional trauma of the attack on the capitol? plenty for us to discuss
tonight. joining us for the hour are peter baker, chief white house correspondent for the "new york times," nate persily, an msnbc legal analyst, susan del percio, a republican strategist, also an msnbc political analyst, and michael star hopkins, a democratic strategist who served on the obama and clinton presidential campaigns. good to have everyone with us tonight. professor persily, let me start with you. since this is not a criminal but a governmental trial, a unique rare kind of proceeding, how do we assess the performance of the prosecution, of the impeachment managers today? i think it's one of the nagging irritations that some have that if this was a criminal trial it could feel like an open and shut case, but this is not that way. >> well, that's right, and as you said before, the senators are themselves witnesses and the senate is a crime scene. this is where it all took place, and in many ways, they are the
best witnesses for what happened on january 6th. so this is, you know, at the intersection of criminal trials and political events, and i think that, you know, the lawyers did an incredibly effective job in proving their case, and what is the case that they're trying to prove? it is that donald trump incited the insurrection that took over the capitol, right? that this was planned for months actually, that is it is a direct cause of the vote fraud conspiracy that had been peddled, and that you can see in the weeks leading up to the january 6th insurrection and on the day of the insurrection that he was in many ways the but for cause of the actions that took place in the house and the senate. >> peter, we mentioned that senate minority leader, now minority leader mitch mcconnell, sources tell us he remains undecided, at least in his conversations to them as to how he may vote. what is your sense of how much
is different from the first impeachment trial and how much feels the same as that first trial? >> well, of course, obviously the issues at hand, the alleged crime at hand is radically different. last year we were debated rather seemingly abstract, maybe narrow argument about what the president did in his interactions with a foreign leader that might not have seemed all that compelling to the everyday american watching at home. anybody watching at home today would have found it hard not to be gripped by the video we saw. i think we haven't seen any video like this ever shown in the history of the united states congress. as gut churning as this, it brings it home in a much more visceral way. as you pointed out, the jurors who are sitting there were also witnesses and victims of the crime to begin with. now, look, what president trump's defenders will say is this is emotionalism. of course they condemn this violence as well, but the
connection hasn't been made in a demonstrative way to the president's own words and responsibility. that's what the managers tried to do today through hours and hours of methodical, you know, reconstruction of the months leading up to this, but republicans have not brought into that theory of the case least outright not in public yet. that may be where we end up similar to last year where we see most people sticking to their partisan camps. >> the visceralty of that video was not lost on some of the senators including senator mitt romney. here is part of his reaction to what he saw today. >> obviously very troubling to see the great violence that our capitol police and others were subjected to. it tears at your heart and brings tears to your eyes. that was overwhelmingly
disstresing and emotional. >> he had not seen that footage before of him running through the hall and wasn't clear how close he came to danger based on what the security camera shows. how much of a difference do you think the video will make in the scheme of things? >> you know, on the large front i don't think it really is going to make that much of a difference, but let's be clear. eight years ago mitt romney was the republican nominee for president. now fast forward, and we're talking about a scenario where terrorists who stormed the capitol would potentially harm not just mitt romney but are threatening to kill the vice president mike pence and nancy pelosi. this case is just as much about what trump didn't do as what he did do. he laid the predicate for this and when it came time for him to lower the tension, to call people off, he abandoned the country, and now republicans if
they don't convict will have to live with this forever. >> we also heard from some of the former president's strongest allies. senator lindsey graham has been an on again, off again ally. he seemed very much aligned at least with the defense in some of his comments tonight. watch. >> the not guilty vote is growing after today. i think most republicans found the presentation by the house managers offensive and absurd. the fbi and the capitol hill police actually now understand this was preplanned. they were planting bombs the night before. so the whole story line that donald trump caused this by his speech has fallen apart. >> susan, that's a logical non sequitur. just because there were bombs the night before doesn't mean donald trump's rhetoric leading up to the planting of those bombs could not have had an effect. that's an illogical argument. i wonder what you make about where senator graham is and
perhaps where a number of other republican senators are too. >> you know, senator graham is pathetic. he has become such a sycophant and has done everything possible to get close to donald trump. i don't know if he's looking for an exit strategy or more invitations to mar-a-lago, but whatever it is, senator graham's pathetic. what he does know deep down like every other republican senator who was afraid of a single tweet against them because they would lose their whole career that they spent decades making, of course they know a single tweet, never mind multiple 20 some odd tweets calling for this mob to come to the capitol, they know deep down that donald trump could rally this crowd, and he did, and he is responsible for this. and what's more, we saw kevin mccarthy and others saying call this off. you're the only one who can that day, and that means they know that he could call iton, which
he did. >> professor there was an unusual moment right near the end of the session today involving republican senator mike lee of utah reacting to some of the testimony that was given or some of the case that was laid out by david cicilline, one of the house impeachment managers. here's what happened. >> mr. president -- mr. president -- >> majority leader. >> rule 16 i make a motion. statements were attributed to me moments ago by the house impeachment managers. statements relating to the content of conversations between a phone call involving president trump and senator tuberville, were not made by me, they're not accurate, and they're contrary to fact. i move pursuant to rule 16 they're going to be stricken from the record. >> we're going to withdraw it this evening without any prejudice with the ability to resubmit it. this is much ado about nothing because it's not critical in any way to our case. >> you're not the one being
cited as a witness, sir. >> senator, personally this confuses me because the story that he's referring to came out in both the salt lake tribune and the news in salt lake city back on january 7th, and he is apparently not raised any objections as to the voracity of that story until tonight. what was this about? >> so one of the things that's different in an impeachment trial than other kinds of trials is that you can get all kinds of hearsay evidence that's submitted in the record. if you watched those proceedings today you saw a lot of media reports to bolster the various case arguments that they were making, and so this is an example of a kind of objection that might be made by a senator saying, look, that was misquoted or this wasn't correct. ultimately, you know, it's not going to make much of a difference in terms of the narrative that they're trying to present, and these types of questions are ultimately decided by the senate itself. so if there was a question over
evidence, there would be a vote by the senate and senator lahey sitting in the chair would be the first to rule on it. but you know, that ultimately is not going to make much of a difference, and jamie raskin said that, you know, they'll look into it to see if there was any error in there. >> it is something worth keeping an eye on in the defense brief that came out before this week, there is some tactical attack of the media reports. one citation said immediate yo -- media reports are not fact. >> briefly, yes. >> one thing on, that yes, you're right, but as we've been saying, these senators were witnesses. everybody knows what happened in the capitol. the basics of this case are not in dispute. all of the events leading up to it, all of the tweets that we've seen from the president, this is
not a case where there is a big sur prison as to the evidence. the question is how seriously are they going to take what's known in the public domain? >> everybody let's hold it right there for just a minute. there's much more to discuss as the hour goes on. if you watched any of today's presentation, you know it was hard to sit through, pretty grueling at times. the nation relived the horrifying events of january 6th. some of the senators learned for the first time just how close they were to mortal danger. how will that affect their verdict, and how are the rest of us handling it? we'll get into that when our special coverage continues. thar special coverage continues ual.cm to customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need? really? i didn't-- aah! ok. i'm on vibrate. aaah! only pay for what you need.
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it was an emotional day on capitol hill. democratic house impeachment managers presented new video evidence on day two of the impeachment trial. they argued that the images show the aftermath of the former president's destructive rhetoric. rioters stormed the capitol on january 6th amped up by donald trump's calls to in his words fight like hell. this body cam footage shows the mob beating a police officer who was trying to protect the capitol. five people died that day including officer brian sicknick. his death, an array of injuries, enormous property damage, and the terror of being hunted all part of a traumatic day that senators and the nation relived.
prosecutors reminded everyone that the mob was not just after democrats, despite being pro-trump. newly released footage shows the secret service rushing vice president pence and his family to safety before the mob could get them. at one point the attackers were within 100 feet of him, a stone's throw from the senate chamber, a gallows stood outside. some rioters said that they wanted him dead. we also learned more about capitol police officer eugene goodman before he faced down a crowd that chased him up a flight of stairs. security video shows him shooting senator mitt romney of utah away from the mob before they could see him. it was one of many close calls that day, many moments that could have gone much, much worse. now, all of this was not just to lay out the time line of events. it was to remind the senators that they were lucky to be alive and to urge them to pin blame for their close call on the former president. >> the evidence will show you
that ex-president trump was no innocent bystander. the evidence will show that he clearly incited the january 6th insurrection. it will show that donald trump surrendered his role as commander in chief and became the inciter in chief of a dangerous insurrection. >> let's get back to our panel, peter baker, professor nate persily, susan del percio and michael star hopkins. peter let me start back up with you. what is your sense of the impact of just the viscerality of all of this on the proceedings? i can imagine that washington has been a really dark place to be since january 6th. >> well, it has. i think that's exactly right. you live in washington and you drive around town, you still see national guard troops on station. you see fencing around the capitol, which has historically been the most open part of our
government where the people can visit and see their representatives taking action on their behalf. i mean, it's -- we still are dealing with the aftermath of this event just basically one month later, and i think that the video that we were shown today, particularly the never before seen security camera footage just brought it to life in a way that reminded people of the shock and the horror of that moment. and across party lines. republicans were as stirred by today's images as were democrats. that doesn't necessarily mean they're going to vote to convict donald trump, but i think this has reminded our political leaders of both parties of how out of hand, you know, our divisions have gotten in this country, and that for a lot of republicans, they would like to be able to move on from president trump who played to those divisions over four years, but they're still feeling, you know, caught, i think, in a political trap where they have not been able to break away from them. >> michael, here's a clip of
eric swalwell again describing part of what happened on january 6th and putting one of the locations where the mob was into some context for everyday people including folks who maybe have never been to the capitol. >> we've lost the line, all mpd pull back. all mpd pull back up to the upper deck. all mpd pull back to the deck. all mpd convert to the upper deck, upper deck. cruiser 50 we're flanked. 10-33, i repeat, 10-33 west front of the capitol. we have been frank flanked and we've lost the line. >> sorry about that. that was a different byte.
rushed the front part of the capitol and overran the line of police officers. 10-33 is the standard police code for an emergency, an officer who's in trouble. michael, what is your sense of the impact of all of this visceral reliving of january 6th on these proceedings? i wonder how much dealing with the trauma of it all over again makes a difference, and how much you can kind of hear before you're sort inured to it and you just kind of make yourself emotionally shut down just so you can get through it? >> yeah, i think republicans are caught between a rock and a hard place because they've been playing with racial fire for so long that they've gotten used to it and new their hands got burnt. one of the things that i think has gotten lost in a lot of this conversation, the people in the capitol that day, they were interns, they were family members of members of congress,
they were staff, and all those people could have gotten killed that day, and that's something that we can never forget. the confederate flag flew in the capitol on january 6th, something that never happened in the history of this country. i think the impact of seeing those videos, of hearing those stories, of hearing representative raskin talk about burying his son and then having his daughter fear being in the capitol. those are going to haunt members of congress for the rest of their lives, and something that i think the history books will forever remember. >> that was an incredibly poignant moment on day one of the proceedings when jamie raskin, for those of you who don't know buried one of his sons and then right after having to lay his son to rest, having to deal with that, this happened at the capitol. those kind of happened back to back for him. we heard from congresswoman madeleine dean from pennsylvania who choked up today while she was kind of reliving what happened with her on january 6th. susan, let's get to that clip
from eric swalwell giving a little bit more context for where all of this happened. >> stop the steal! stop the steal! stop the steal! >> those doors to orient you at home are the doors that the president of the united states walks through when he or she gives a state of the union address. >> susan can you zoom out for us just a little bit. i'm never going to be able to watch the state of the union the same way again after hearing him say that. i think perhaps i never should after seeing what happened on the 6th. how does washington's political establishment move forward from this emotionally? this feels like baggage that's going to take a long time to sort out, let alone whatever the political future is of the republican party. >> and it will take a long time
for people to get over it. let's not forget some of the imagery we saw of members of congress who were up in the gallery, who were laying down, who were forced to put on gas masks and their colleagues that all saw this. this is something that will hit them all very deep, but the only way to -- i don't want to say get over it, but to at least feel some peace with it is to hold people accountable. and there is only one person to hold accountable, and that is donald trump. when you look at that mob there, joshua, there's only one thing that threads them all together. it's not their deep belief in republican policy. it's donald trump telling them to go stop the steal. at any means necessary. that's basically what he said. he sent them there to do that job, and that is a frightening thought, and the republicans there in the senate need to think long and hard about what they're going to be doing if they acquit donald trump of these charges.
they are basically going to say that the president of the united states will not be held accountable for his words. that is disgraceful. the president must be held accountable more so than probably anyone in our country. and donald trump created this. they will never forget it. now they have to act like they won't forget it. >> the trauma of all of this is one aspect of this that we'll have to deal with as a country. everyone sit tight. we're going to continue in a moment with another one of the long-term impacts of this, not just trauma, but terrorism, particularly domestic terrorism. that's getting much more attention after the attack on the capitol. how would a conviction or an acquittal affect the spread of home grown extremism.
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other elected officials. that's what we're dealing with. donald trump has radicalized some people in this movement, and we have to deal with that. >> federal prosecutors have charged more than 200 people for taking part in the capitol riot. the fbi says nearly two dozen of them have ties to white wing extremist groups like the proud boys. homeland security issued a warning that violent domestic extremists were emboldened by the capitol attack and that the threat of violence persists. today lead manager jamie raskin told senators these attackers must be held accountable. >> it makes no difference what the ideological content of the mob was and if we forgive incitement to violent insurrection by militant trump followers this week, you can be sure there will be a whole bunch of new ideological flavors coming soon. >> back again with peter baker of the "new york times," stanford law professor nate persily, republican strategist
susan del percio and democratic strategist michael star hopkins. professor, let me jump back in with you in terms of the link, congressman joe neguse who represent boulder, colorado, is one of the house impeachment managers. here is what he said today about that connection. >> and when the violence erupted, when they were here in our building with weapons, he did nothing to stop it. if we are to protect our republic and prevent something like this from ever happening again, he must be convicted. >> professor, how do you see this link, at least in terms of the prosecution's case, this link that they're making between the demagoguery of the former president and the domestic terrorism that's on the rise? >> one of the things they
pointed out in the trial was how organized these groups were before and how sophisticated they were in their actions leading up to january 6th, and so they talked, for example, i believe it was representative lieu who talked about their activities on 4chan and 8chan and different web channels. these far right extremist groups have done an enormous amount of damage and have a significant presence online, and the trump campaign knew about it. i mean, that is one of the other things they talked about how there was this kind of formal or informal coordination between folks in the white house and the campaign and these outside groups. and so as we're trying to make the connection that suggests incitement, they're trying to draw ever closer the folks that stormed the capitol with those who were egging themcampaign. >> peter on top of that, the times has been reporting about
how the previous administration had focused so much attention on antifascist movements or antifa that it kind of sapped resources that would have gone towards the fight against far right extremist groups. the biden administration is expected to face some challenges based on the lack of resources there. where do we stand now in terms of being able to deal with these groups? >> yeah, it's a great question because, in fact, you have chris wray, the fbi director appointed by president trump who spoke out very forthrightly, i think, last year saying that these domestic hate groups were, in fact, a big threat to the united states and they were not getting enough attention basically. more sympathetic ear today in the oval office than he did when he was making that case in the past, but no question that this white house thinks that this is a serious, one that's top of their list in terms of security threats. it reminds me of the 1990s when the oklahoma city bombing and we
sort of began to unravel it and understand the militia movement that was on the rise at that point. the difference was that i didn't make it to washington. they were out beyond the beltway. now as congressman pointed out, they were in the people's house, you know, rampaging their way through the building without anybody able to stop them. that's such a different scenario than we've seen basically in modern times. >> well, and michael, on top of that, you have a very different way that people are connected to these groups now than they were in the days of timothy mcveigh. the atlanta journal constitution has some reporting about two militia groups in georgia that have decided to join forces now. there's been a lot more attention put on social media in terms of that as a vector for radicalization. today we had the cfo of twitter who was asked if president trump is reelected, would he be allowed back on. he said in so many words no, that there is no provision to unban someone from twitter.
what is your sense of just how we fight this going forward given that we still haven't wrapped our arms around managing social media yet. >> well, first we have to acknowledge it's a problem. look, domestic terrorism has been around as long as the u.s. has been around, whether it be the ku klux klan, whether it be timothy mcveigh or the murderer of james berg in texas using fear as a political weapon is something that came before trump. but what trump has managed to do is not just mainstream it but benefit from it in a financial way, and that's where the rest of the republican party is coming into play. people like josh hawley, ted cruz, part of the reason that they're not pushing back against trump is because of the financial benefits in terms of donor dollars, in terms of future benefits. and so if we're ever really going to tackle this issue, then we've got to be able to diagnose it and identify it and have uncomfortable conversations about it, and i think that's going to be one of the biggest results we're going to see come
out of january 6th, the fact that we have to deal with it because it's not going away, whether it's in michigan with governor whitmer or in georgia. >> i want to remind you of the marker board behind you, someone is going to get hurt. he was the head elections equipment official who said the rhetoric from the president was going to get someone hurt or shot or killed. that dovetails into something reuters has reported. a number of sources have told reuters there are nascent conversations about some kind of an anti-trump third-party built around what they described as a platform of principled conservative. more than 120 people held a zoom call on friday to discuss some kind of breakaway group. when asked about it, a spokesman for mr. trump, jason miller said in his words, get, these losers left the republican party when they voted for joe biden,
unquote. susan, i know that there are a number of republicans who are spitting mad over what donald trump has done to their party, and they feel in a way like their party is being used for radicalization, like it's being used for extremism, but we know how far third parties have gone in the past. then again, we know what happened to the whig party after their principles pulled people apart. how much do you see partisanship as a clap-back to extremism, whether it's a third party or the gop or something else. >> full disclosure, i was on that call on friday, so i am very much aware of what was discussed and i'm not in a position to reveal that. but to answer your question and kind of move out of what happened in that call, when you see senators hawley and cruz continue to bow to senator -- to former president trump, what you see is the acceptance of this
extremism. the extremism existed before donald trump, but it felt safe to come out of the shadows under a president trump. and now we have elected officials who are cultivating it. so of course they feel more able to voice their opinion publicly. this would not have happened eight years ago because eight years ago there was not a president that was welcoming them to the capitol. now, as far as a third party goes, i mean, my personal beliefs on that are it could happen, but that's 20 years away. to build a party in this country, it's a 50 state strategy. i won't go into all the minutia because it's a whole separate show, but what you can do is endorse policy principles and come up with a strong coalition to fight this. and as far as you want to call me someone who's a loser because i voted for joe biden, i am a proud republican. i have been for 30 years and
will continue to be, and as far as i'm concerned, steve miller's the loser. >> also worth noting according to this report from reuters, democrats or independents who fall in line might well get endorsed by that party, so there would be room, at least according to this report for a broader spectrum of endorsements than just strict party lines. that will develop with the fullness of time. our time is limited. we've only got time for one more piece of our conversation. when we come back, we will look ahead. what strategy can we expect from impeachment managers tomorrow? and how might donald trump's attorneys adjust? torneys adjust flings now so their laundry smells more amazing than ever. isn't that the dog's towel? hey, me towel su towel. more gain scent plus oxi boost and febreze in every gain fling.
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with peace of mind at your local xfinity store. the impeachment trial resumes at noon eastern. it's the last day for house managers to make their case against the former president. the team argued for nearly six hours on their first day of presentations. they may use up to eight more hours before handing off to the defense. impeachment convictions are hard to come by, perhaps much harder
in this political climate. some republicans seemed moved by the case, though it's unclear how they'll vote. >> i think that the house managers are making a very strong case. the evidence that has been presented thus far is pretty damning. i don't see how donald trump could be reelected to the presidency again. >> they were very effective. they had a strong, strong presentation put together in a way that i think makes it pretty compelling. >> let's finish up with our panel starting with you peter baker. what's the main thing you're going to be looking for tomorrow from the end of the prosecution's case? >> well, the prosecution did a pretty good job of being disciplined today, being tight in its presentation. not being repetitive, which sometimes i think characterized the trial last year of president
trump. and so the question of whether they can wrap it up without pushing their luck basically with some of these senators who were moved today by the video. i think they need to find a way to make clear that the emotional impact of that video is connected to the president in order to argue to republicans that there is a relationship to the -- you know, the issue at hand. a lot of republicans aren't going to agree with that. many, in fact, probably enough to acquit president trump. the audience also goes beyond the chamber, not just the senators who are sitting as jurors but the broader american public and arguably history, too, i think to sort of put a stamp on this presidency and say that the defining moment came in these last hours when the president of the united states seemed to encourage a mob that attacked the capitol. >> professor prersly anything you think the prosecution could be doing differently or better tomorrow? >> i think they've done a good
job so far. one thing i would amplify is their attempts to show this was incitement to riot against republicans. one of the things you saw in the tweets that they highlighted as well as showing of the noose for mike pence as well as all kinds of other activities that the crowd was engaged in was to go after republicans. some of these tweets, for instance, that president trump had made about rinos and the like and that's trying to create at least some distance between the republicans in the senate and the president. >> susan, what about you, what you're expecting for tomorrow with the understanding that we've heard from some republicans that they seem impressed at least by the presentation of the arguments, whether that will turn into votes to convict is a whole other matter. >> well, i think what peter brought up as far as not seeing too much reputation is very important, but i think the other thing i'll be looking for tomorrow is what they started on today, which is to disarm the
president's former president's arguments that this is not constitutional, that he used the word peaceful once. i think they will look to tear down those arguments that don't stand on much and build up their own kind of to finish it up, and that will be leaving the case the president's lawyers to try and stitch something together, which it doesn't look very good, especially if you listen to is that rights murkowski and thune. >> michael, slightly different question, what is your sense of how democrats are assessing the performance of the house managers right now? >> i think democrats should be proud of the effort that the house managers are giving. i think one of the big things that we want to see tomorrow, though, is pulling this back to 30,000 feet and explaining not just why this matters for the past but why this matters for the future. there will be another donald trump that's going to come along at some point, one who won't be as reckless, who won't be as
undisciplined, and next time we may not be so lucky. it's only because of mike pence and a few other small gestures that stopped our democracy from really being upended, and if we don't get it right this time, we may not be able to get it right again. >> very briefly, i know there are plenty of people watching this trial like none of this matters. the republicans are going to vote to acquit, the democrats are going to vote to convict, and donald trump's going to get away with it again. none of this matters. to people who are viewing this with sheer cynicism, what would you say to them before we go? >> well, as peter said, you know, this is creating a historical record. the audience is not just in the senate, and it's not even just people who are watching today but this is creating a record for history, so we are seeing, you know, remarkable events, you know, in video taking place inside the capitol, threats to, you know, our form of government that we've never seen before. that matters and creates this record matters. still, there is the possibility
that you'll get a significant number of republicans who will switch sides, but it's unlikely you'll get the 17 that would be necessary for conviction. >> "new york times" chief white house correspondent, peter baker, stanford law professor nate persily, michael store hopkins, we appreciate you making time for us this hour. thank you so much. i will see you back here all week at midnight eastern, 9:00 pacific. join kasie hunt at 5:00 a.m. for "all too early" and "morning joe" at 6:00 a.m. eastern. i'm joshua johnson. thank you for making time for us tonight. good night. good night
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