tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC February 11, 2021 1:00am-2:00am PST
you earlier in this show in this hour. you helped me get my thoughts together what this day was like. i appreciate it my friend. >> you bet. >> and thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. just right now, this impeachment trial of the former president and sort of what we learned today as a country because of that process. what started today is up to 16 hours of the prosecutors, the house impeachment managers, making their factual case. and i say "up to 16 hours," because it appears they're not going to take all of the 16 hours that are allotted to them. they have been coming in sort of under time in terms of what we expected, not just yesterday on day one, when they were arguing the constitutionality of the trial, itself, and they finished the day by giving back more than half an hour of their time that they chose not to use, but also today, when they started factually laying out their case.
they ended today after having used less than six hours of their allotted eight hours for the day. now, they can't take more than eight hours in any one day, so even if they take all eight of their hours tomorrow, they will not be using all of the hours allotted to them, they will not be using all 16 hours to make their case, just as they did not use their portion of the four hours that was allotted to them yesterday to make their constitutional case. and again, what this means is just that the prosecuting side seems to be not just on track, but potentially ahead of schedule, getting done what they want to get done with time to spare. overall, the way the schedule works is that the house impeachment managers get to lay out their case today, and obviously, into tonight. they will also have tomorrow and into tomorrow night, as i mentioned, eight total hours available to them tomorrow, and they can use as much of that or as little of that as they want tomorrow. but no matter how early they finish tomorrow, president trump's defense team will not take over until friday.
and then once the defense team starts on friday, they also will have two eight-hour days available to them. they will have 16 hours total to mount in their defense, no more than eight hours in each of the two days. and i raise this now just, a, so you can think about how the next few days are going to go, but also, i think it helps me figure something else out that has otherwise been a little bit of a mystery. that plan, that expectation right now about which side is going to go on which days, that may shed a little bit of light on this strange and otherwise sort of inexplicable thing we saw from president trump's defense counsel when it came to scheduling the trial. we've talked about this a couple of times in the last few days, largely because i didn't get why this happened. it was unexpected news a few days ago when former president trump's defense team asked for the trial schedule to be changed. they asked for the trial to be stopped on saturday because one of former president trump's lawyers, david schoen, is religiously observant in such a way that he doesn't work on the
jewish sabbath. he doesn't work after sundown on friday or all day on saturday. so, they asked if the trial schedule could be changed so that the trial would not convene on saturday. the senate aceded to that request, said yeah, we understand, sure, go for it. what was strange is that once that request was aceeded to, once they got the schedule changed in response to that request, they then said, okay, nevermind, we actually don't want the trial to stop on saturday after all. it was a weird reversal. now, of course, i don't know for sure, but one consequence of that change in course, that weird 180 -- oh, never mind, we don't want that change after all -- relates, potentially, to the way the defense is going to lay out. i mean, if they weren't going to hold the trial on saturday, that would mean president trump's defense team would be offering
an interrupted defense. they would be able to offer their first eight hours, up to eight hours of defense on friday. then they'd be taking a whole day off on saturday and then they'd have their second day on sunday. that's what would have happened, had they got the trial schedule that they requested. i think it's possible that once they realized that's what they had done to themselves, they put a day off in the middle of their defense case, they may have realized that was not ideal. now because they've rescinded their request, they will get two days, one after the other. we will have two days of the prosecution, today and tomorrow, then two straight days for the defense, friday and saturday. so, the reversal on them wanting that change in the schedule might make more sense along those lines. speaking of not ideal, though, multiple news organizations have now reported that president trump was deeply displeased with his defense team when he saw them in action yesterday, particularly -- forgive me --
but the sort of bart simpson meets foghorn leghorn routine that we got from the lawyer for president trump who went first yesterday, mr. bruce castor of philadelphia. the president's other main lawyer, david schoen, is the one who's religiously observent of the sabbath on saturday. even though mr. schoen has on behalf of the defense team withdrawn that request for the trial schedule to change to take saturdays off to accommodate his religious observation, mr. schoen is religiously observant and can't work after sundown on friday or all day saturday. that means david schoen will be out of pocket for the defense team friday after 5:00 and all day saturday. so, it may be that castor, the guy who was such a disaster yesterday, who the president is reportedly so disgusted with, it may be that he's the one who will have to run the whole second day of president trump's defense. friday night and all day saturday. that does not seem promising for the president's defense, given mr. castor's performance on day
one, and particularly how, apparently, angry president trump was and disappointed -- i don't know if he gets disappointed -- how angry the president was seeing mr. castor's performance on day one. so, they tried to change the schedule. they then changed it back. they now will get two days in a row, but the second day can't be done by david schoen. it will have to be done by castor. trump reportedly hated castor's initial performance. their only other option is if they go for one of the other people they have at the very last minute added to their legal team. the other main lawyer on their legal team is apparently this michael van der veen, also a philadelphia lawyer. mr. vanderveen today had to publicly deny that he recently told one of his other clients that president trump was a, quote, f'ing crook. mr. van der veen defended a guy who was prosecuted for trying to hack into the irs to get president trump's tax returns. that defendant in that case says his lawyer, michael van der
veen, told him during the course of representing him that trump was a f'ing crook! that was reported by "the philadelphia inquirer" yesterday. mr. van der veen today denied he ever said such a thing in a written statement, but that's awkward. mr. vander veen is also not denying that he sued president trump leading up to the 2020 election not that long ago. reportedly, trump is not happy with those things, but he may be the only other option besides the foghorn leghorn guy for the second day of running his defense. we shall see. the president's defense, again, will not start until the day after tomorrow. we'll see the prosecution. they had their first day today. they'll have their second day tomorrow. president trump's defense will start on friday. we will see how it goes. it's going to be fascinating, either way. we have now seen two rounds of argument from the prosecution side, from the impeachment managers. now, on day one, yesterday, the substance of what they were arguing was what maryland
congressman, the lead impeachment manager, jamie raskin, laid out in his constitutional contention at the very beginning, in the very pify phrase that he chose for it. he made this argument that there's no january exception from impeachment that allows presidents free rein to commit crimes right before they leave office. mr. trump's lawyers, and apparently, 44 republican senators, contend that a president can't be tried on impeachment charges after he left office. if that was the case, then a president could simply do whatever lawless things he wanted to do in january in his final days in office safe in the knowledge that the senate wouldn't have time to put him on trial for those crimes before he left office, so he could get away with any crimes he wanted. the impeachment managers argued yesterday that there's no way the founders intended for there to be this giant loophole, this january exception, within impeachment. otherwise, all presidents who lost elections would essentially be invited to commit whatever
high crimes and misdemeanors they wanted to commit in order to try to overthrow the results of the election or depose the incoming president who had defeated them, because, oh, it's the end of their term, there's no time to impeach them. the vast majority of constitutional scholars agree with the prosecutors. they agree with the house impeachment managers on that point. and, indeed, their argument carried the day yesterday. in a 56-44 vote at the end of the day, by which the senate decided that a president can be tried by the senate for the impeachment charge laid against him by the house, in this case, in january, even though he's no longer president today. but in terms of understanding where we are in this overall process, that really was the substantive theme of their presentation on day one -- no january exception. you're not immune from prosecution for what you did just because you're gone from the presidency now. that was day one. their argument carried the day. that is now, for the purposes of this trial, a settled matter.
the substantive theme of their presentation for today, day two, which, of course, is the start of them laying out the factual basis for their incitement charge against the president, the basic theme for most of the day today is that what happened on january 6th didn't come out of nowhere, that this was a long plot and that, therefore, the president's culpability for inciting insurrection, for inciting the violence that happened at the u.s. capitol on january 6th, is evident, in part because the violence on january 6th was undeniably foreseeable. it was foreseeable for any reasonable person to expect that violence would result when the president did what he did on january 6th and in the days leading up to it. and they made that case by going back a number of months to when the president first started really priming his supporters to only see the 2020 election results as legitimate if trump was declared the winner of that election. if trump was declared the loser of that election, he told them
explicitly, hundreds of times for months on end, that they should not consider those election results to be legitimate. those election results should not count. he, thus, sort of set the predicate for what would happen, that if he lost the election, he would try to nullify or void the election results, he would proclaim himself the winner, he would try to delegitimize the real results of the election, and his supporters should expect that, if the election couldn't be counted on to give an answer about who ought to be the president, then he would try to hold onto power by some other way. by some other means, rather than just by competing fairly in the election. that's what he would do. that's what he would expect them to help him do. he laid it out over a period of months and promised to them that that's how it would go. and part of the reason a reasonable person should have known that violence was a likely outcome of the president's actions on january 6th is because as the president made this case over a period of
months, violence and armed confrontation by the president's supporters had already happened, had already been the consequence of his statements about the election, even before january 6th. and president trump knew that. he knew that this line of argument to his supporters had led to violence already. rationally, it could, therefore, be counted on to lead to violence again. it would lead to more violence if he upped the stakes in making this argument to his followers, particularly if he directed them all to react to his comments and physically be in the same place at the u.s. capitol while he continued to incite them in this way. i mean, that's the case that they made today, that the violence on january 6th was foreseeable, and therefore, that incitement charge should stick, because he knew the violence that would ensue. >> on november 5th, he tweeted,
in all capital letters, as if shouting commands, quote, stop the count! stop the fraud! the same day as those tweets, around 100 trump supporters showed up in front of a maricopa county elections center in phoenix, some of them carrying rifles, literally trying to intimidate officials to stop the count, just as president trump had commanded. this was dangerous. it was scary. and it was a blatant act of political intimidation. in philadelphia, that same day, police investigated an alleged plot to attack the city's pennsylvania convention center where votes were being counted. police took at least one man into custody who was carrying a weapon. and this happened all over, in atlanta, in detroit, and in milwaukee. his supporters used armed force
to try to disrupt lawful counting of votes because they bought into trump's big lie that the election was stolen from them. president trump's months of enflaming and inciting his supporters had worked. they believed it was their duty to quite literally fight to stop the count, so they showed up at election centers across the country to do just that. >> this is a fraud on the american public. this is an embarrassment to our country. we were getting ready to win this election. frankly, we did win this election. [ cheers and applause ] >> stop the count! [ crowd chanting ] [ honking ] >> ain't taking it from us!
>> count the votes! [ crowd chanting ] >> we were winning in all the key locations by a lot, actually, and then our numbers started miraculously getting whittled away in secret. >> stop the steal! >> they will pay. they will be destroyed, because america is rising! >> and there it is. they had bought into his big lie. and you may say, well, he didn't know that they'd take up arms. but when he did know, when it was all over the news, president trump didn't stop. >> for anyone who says donald trump didn't know the violence
he was inciting, i ask you to consider his supporters tried to drive a bus off the highway in the middle of the day to intimidate his opponent's campaign workers, and his response was to tweet the video of the incident that had fight music, joke about it, and call those individuals in that incident patriots. and once again, donald trump's praise worked to incite them further. emboldened by that praise, they remained ready to fight, ready to stand back and stand by. this link is not hypothetical. just like we saw with the proud boys show aug up in full force on january 6th, donald trump's encouragement of this attack made sure his supporters were ready for the next one. the caravan bus attack had been
organized by a trump supporter named keith lee. leading up to the attack on our capitol of january 6th, mr. lee teamed up with other supporters to fundraise to help to bring people to washington, d.c., for that day. the morning of the attack, he filmed footage of the capitol, pointed out the flimsiness of fencing, and then addressed his supporters before the attack, saying, quote, as soon as you all get done hearing the president, y'all get to the capitol. we need to surround this place." during the attack, he used the bull horn to call out for the mob to rush in. he later went to the rotunda, himself, and then back outside to urge the crowd to come inside. these are the people that president trump cultivated, who were standing by.
>> this was about foreseeablity, the for seibelity of the events on january 6th. they went back to show that the president knew, we all know, because it happened in public, we knew and he knew that violence in washington, d.c., was foreseeable. they used all these previous incidents of violence by the president's supporters before the election to give weight to the contention that he knew exactly what he was getting into on january 6th, that his previous experience with his supporters reacting violently, seeking out violent, at times armed confrontation in response to the president's words, that shows that any reasonable person, and indeed, president donald j. trump, on january 6th, could have foreseen that his words and actions that day would lead to violence on that day. and then, it was -- in what was kind of one of the big reveals of the day, the managers introduced some new evidence about the permit for the trump rally on january 6th in d.c.,
evidence that goes beyond the idea that the violence that day was just foreseeable and shows how the president actually intervened to change the plans of that day, change the plans for that day to make violence more likely than it otherwise would have been. >> on december 19th, president trump tweeted his save the date for january 6th. he told his supporters to come to d.c. for a big protest, the day, billing it as wild. just days later, women for america first amended their permit to hold their rally on january 6th, pursuant to the president's save the date, instead of after the inauguration. this was deliberate. reports confirm that the president, himself, president trump, became directly involved with the planning of the event,
women for america first had initially planned for the rally-goers to remain at the ellipse until the counting of the state electoral slates was completed, just as they had remained at freedom plaza after the second million maga march. in fact, the permit stated in no uncertain terms that the march from the ellipse was not permitted. it was not until after president trump and his team became involved in the planning that the march from the ellipse to the capitol came about, in direct contravention of the original permit. this was not a coincidence. none of this was. donald trump, over many months, cultivated violence, praised it. and then, when he saw the
violence his supporters were capable of, he channeled it to his big, wild, historic event. he organized january 6th with the same people that had just organized a rally resulting in substantial violence and made absolutely sure, this time, these violent rally-goers wouldn't just remain in place. he made sure that those violent people would literally march right here, to our steps, from the ellipse to the capitol, to stop the steal. >> delegate stacey plaskett, who represents the u.s. virgin islands, doing a phenomenal job with her portion of the presentation today from the house impeachment managers. this new evidence from the managers today bolsters reporting from "the new york times" a couple of weeks ago that there hadn't been a plan for the rally-goers to march on
the actual capitol until the trump white house got involved in planning that rally, and essentially, made it their event. that is when they changed the plan, so the rally-goers would march from the rally grounds to the capitol building, because trump wanted that. "the new york times" had reported that within the last couple of weeks. stacey plaskett today, in the senate impeachment trial, with the receipts showing that the permit, in fact, never had an accommodation for them. that is something the trump white house wanted to do. the president knew his supporters were primed for violence. he knew that his words had previously spurred them to violence multiple times. he arranged this january 6th rally to become a march on the capitol. impeachment managers today essentially dared senators to look at all that evidence and try to believe, try to maintain that donald trump didn't know what he was inciting that day. i think the most powerful part of the day, though, came from house manager stacey plaskett, who you just saw, and congressman eric swalwell of california. they're both experienced lawyers. they're both excellent speakers.
and late impeachment manager jamie raskin left it to plaskett and swalwell today to do painstaking work of recreating, minute by minute, really, what the attack was, once it happened, what the character of it was, in ways that we had never seen before. and i will be honest with you, there is no way that i can just, like, sum this up and describe it to you in a way that will do it justice. while this part of the presentation was happening live, i sent notes all of the producers who work on this show. you guys, how on earth are we going to summarize this? i sent notes to other hosts on this network. i sent notes to executives on this network. and trust me, i never ask executives about anything. but i felt like i needed help and advice. how do we summarize something like this? i don't actually think we can sort of, you know, give it a thumbnail summary in a way that fully captures what they did. i'm very happy to tell you that msnbc is actually going to play the bulk of it at midnight eastern tonight. if you weren't able to see it live today, you will definitely
want to see that tonight at midnight. but what they presented in that part of the president's impeachment trial today was essentially a visual autopsy of what happened, how the pro-trump mob broke into the capitol, what they did once they were inside, the violence they committed toward law enforcement, much of which we had never seen before, honestly. we had seen accounts of police officers' injuries in fbi indictments of some of the rioters. we had heard from the police officers unions about how many officers were injured and even hospitalized. but we didn't really see the combat that police officers were in with the president's mob for hours in the way that we saw it today. we also had not truly seen before today how close we came to a mass casualty event at the u.s. capitol. we have heard members of congress and the senate express their belief that they were close to being killed that day. today we saw in detail what they meant by that, and that they were right. house managers spent the better part of two hours laying out this visual evidence of the mob
that the president incited at the capitol. and some of that footage was familiar to us. the man who was holstering that 950,000-volt stun gun mounted on a hiking staff sitting at nancy pelosi's desk. the rioters who were chanting "hang mike pence" at the capitol as they literally hunted for and tried to find vice president pence. a police officer getting crushed by protesters in a doorway, screaming for help and screaming in pain. but the impeachment managers, in addition to some of that footage that we had seen, they also presented new footage, new audio that was brand-new to the public. the house managers, for example, played never-before-heard audio communications between law enforcement officials who were trying to defend the capitol that day. now, i'm going to play a little bit of that. and just for context here, when you hear the officers here calling the acronym "dso," we think that means they're calling domestic security operations. and i didn't know what that
meant in this context before today, but the "washington post" is explaining that when you hear these officers referencing dso -- domestic security operations -- what it probably means is that they're calling for help from the part of the police department that handles chemical munitions, like tear gas and cs gas, because that's the kind of help they were asking for in terms of dealing with the onrushing mob when they were being overrun and being injured by the dozens. they're calling "dso, dso," meaning, get us those officers with that kind of equipment here immediately. you will also hear an officer say "1033, i repeat, 1033, west front of the capitol." what that means is, 1033 means emergency. that's the officer saying there is an emergency at the west front of the capitol, officers in need of immediate assistance. listen. >> we've got a group of about 50 charging up the hill on the west front, just north of the stairs. they're approaching the wall now.
>> they're throwing metal poles at us. >> give me dso! dso! law enforcement injuries! dso, get up here! we need reinforcements. they're pulling gates down, throwing metal poles at us. i don't know if it's fireworks or what, but they're throwing explosives. fireworks -- >> let's go! we need units outside! we need units! we're surrounded! >> cruiser 50, they breached the scaffolds! they are behind our lines. >> we're still taking rocks, bottles, pieces of flag and metal pole. cruiser 50, the crowd is using
munitions against us. they have bear spray in the crowd. bear spray in the crowd. we have lost the line! we have lost the line. all mpd, pull back. all mpd, pull back to the upper deck, asap. all mpd, come back to the upper deck! upper deck! cruiser 50, we're flanked. 10-33. i repeat, 10-33, west front of the capitol! we have been flanked and we've lost the line! >> we've lost the line. that's what they say there, "we've lost the line." never-before-heard footage of police communications during the attack, as the police were attacked, overrun, injured, one of them killed. the house managers also showed internal security footage that was taken by security cameras inside the capitol. none of us ever publicly seen before. security cameras capturing rioters breaking down the front doors of the capitol building,
using trump flags to bust the glass and get inside. another security camera showing the rioters when they located the door that led to the house floor, where the members of congress were gathered. you can see one rioter waving on the rest of the mob as they streamed toward that door leading to the house floor. in this video, you can see the rioters essentially brawling, engaging in what really looks like hand-to-hand combat with police officers outside the metal detectors they usually have to pass through to get into the capitol complex. this is footage from a police officer's body camera from the moment he was being dragged down the capitol steps and pummeled and stomped by the pro-trump mob. we also got more insight from this new security footage about what happened to lawmakers and their staff members that day, as they tried to escape the trump mob. this is a terrifying moment showing republican senator mitt romney. it is unmistakably him, who was unknowingly walking toward the mob. the officer that runs toward him
at full tilt is officer eugene goodman, who is the man who may have saved the senate. he warns mitt romney there and pulls him in the other direction, to prevent romney from walking directly into the path of the mob. house managers showed this new security footage of former vice president mike pence being evacuated, and you can see on the diagram of the capitol on the lower left side of the screen, there the house managers added there, to show just how close to the mob vice president pence was there when he was being evacuated. house manager eric swalwell actually played this video twice. it shows multiple u.s. senators being evacuated down a hallway while police officers beyond them, basically, blocked the sight of those senators with their bodies. the mob was on the far end of that corridor. the police officers put themselves between the senators and the mob, and the senators ran past to safety. there's reporting out of the chamber today that senators of
both parties were seen pointing at that video while it played, apparently recognizing themselves and their colleagues as they were run down that corridor just steps away from where the police was holding back the mob. they had never seen that footage before today, either. this footage shows how senator chuck schumer almost walked directly into the mob that day. house managers say he came within yards of the rioters and had to turn around. they came up that ramp and then they went very quickly back down that ramp. his security detail turned him around, ended up shutting those doors, using their bodies against those doors to keep him safe. security footage also captured a group of speaker nancy pelosi's staff members running into a conference room and barricading themselves behind two doors to keep safe. just minutes later, that same security camera captured a throng of rioters coming down that hallway, outside that very door, trying to bang down the doors that they were at that moment sheltering behind. here's that same group of pelosi
staffers today watching this video being played during the trial. they hadn't seen it before today. none of us had. three of them holding hands as they watched. whatever else happens here, however the republican senators vote and however this resolves politically, no matter what we hear from the president's defense on friday and saturday, the impeachment managers have given us a history that we did not have before, a factual basis for understanding what happened here to stand up against the revisionism and the minimizing of this attack that is already happening full tilt on the right, and particularly, in the conservative media. that is what they did today, no matter its consequence. in terms of the political fallout here or the ultimate vote. what they did today was indelible in terms of our history as a country. but the trial continues. we will be talking with senators who were in the room for it today when we come back. stay with us. n the room for it today when we come back. stay with us
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these attackers stood right where you are. they went on that rostrum. they rifled through your desks and they desecrated this place. and literally, the president sat, delighted, doing nothing to help us, calling one of you to pressure you to stop the certification. it can't be that the commander in chief can incite a lawless, bloody insurrection and then
utterly fail in his duty as commander in chief to defend us from the attack, to defend our law enforcement officers from that attack, and just get away with it. donald trump abdicated his duty to us all. we have to make this right. and you can make it right. >> house impeachment manager congressman david cicilline of rhode island today with a direct appeal to the senators in that chamber, who are, of course, both jurors and witnesses to the crime in this impeachment trial. joining us now is delaware senator chris coons. senator coons, i really appreciate you making time to be here with us tonight. i will tell you, it was absolutely gut-wrenching at home watching these proceedings today. i'm really interested to hear from you what it was like today in the room? >> rachel, it was a long and a very hard day. you've just shown some of the clips that were the most
compelling, the moments where senators, myself included, for the very first time saw a video clip of us running down the hallway and realized that we were just 50 feet away from an angry mob. that clip you showed of senator mitt romney walking directly towards the mob and being turned around by officer goodman. i think for a lot of us, today was the first time we really put it all together, and the house managers did an amazing job of giving us the timeline, the order, the clarity, the forcefulness of these moments. this is a day we won't forget. we shouldn't forget. >> are there conversations happening among senators? i have to imagine -- i thought i recognized you in that footage that we all saw for the first time today of being ushered down that corridor, and i have to imagine when you and your colleagues are seeing something for the first time, recognizing that you all were in a circumstance that you didn't necessarily appreciate before today, that it may make you want to talk with them about what you
are seeing and what you are newly understanding. are those conversations happening amongst senators? >> i've had some very forceful conversations with my democratic colleagues. there's not been a lot of conversation across the aisle today, particularly this afternoon and evening. look, honestly, i have a hard time, rachel, understanding how anyone could watch what we've seen these last two days and not vote to convict president trump. >> the objection that i saw today from senator cruz, who has his own story within this drama, was that he didn't feel that the president's actions would rise to the level of him being criminally convicted of incitement, were he criminally charged with this, and that that was reason enough to not convict him in a court of impeachment in the u.s. senate. what's your reaction to that? >> well, senator cruz is a
clever lawyer, but i don't see the relevance, because the constitution gave us the obligation as senators to use this one important constitutional mechanism for accountability for a president who utterly abdicates his oath, who just denies the responsibilities that a president has. and as you just showed, congressman cicilline laid it out clearly, that president trump did nothing to help the members of the congress, to help his own vice president when an angry mob was chanting "hang mike pence." and the idea that, maybe if he were in a criminal court of law, there'd be a higher standard and he wouldn't be convicted, i just think is some clever way of avoiding accountability for delivering consequences. that's why we're here. we're here as a court of impeachment. president trump was impeached while he was president, and i think it's undeniable under the language of the constitution, this is our job. we should do it.
>> delaware u.s. senator chris coons. senator, thank you for making time tonight. i know this is a really emotional and very busy time, thanks. thank you. let's now bring into the conversation our friend, minnesota senator amy klobuchar, who was also in the room today, and who i believe i also recognized in that same footage being ushered down that corridor not more than 50 or 60 feet from the mob just on the other side of those capitol police officers. senator klobuchar, i'm really glad you could make time to be here tonight. >> thank you. >> i have to ask, was that -- did you learn things today about the peril that you, yourself, and you and your staff were at, that you didn't know before seeing some of that footage today? >> well, i had staff, because i was leading the fight against ted cruz, actually, to uphold the electoral college votes, and i had just made the case after he spoke, when all this happened, so i had staff that was in a room, right where they
entered, in a closet with two of them, there for two hours. so i had heard it from their perspective. and i actually didn't think as much about the senators. we were protected by the police. it's the police that i think people saw strikingly today, the officer shrieking, trying to defend our democracy, the story of the police officer who went into the rotunda when it was all done, after having these rioters use the "n" word against him 15 times and turn to another black officer and said, "is this america?" those officers, they're the ones that were on the front line protecting us. to think that one of them died because of his wounds, and to think that another two of them committed suicide shortly after this happened, i think it's pretty sobering to think of what they went through and the fact that president trump would not even send a tweet to defend our democracy while that officer was
shrieking in pain at the door, trying to defend it. >> i was struck by the argument at the close of tonight's presentation that president trump never called in the national guard, never did anything to lend any backup to those officers as they were being overrun and so many of them were being injured and one of them was killed. that just stark statement that there's no evidence that, even though the national guard was eventually called in, no evidence that president trump had anything to do with that. also, the stark statement -- and maybe this is a simple thing -- but the stark statement earlier in the day that president trump never once, on the day of the attack, condemned the violence at the capitol. he ultimately did the next day. but while it was under way on january 6th, he didn't condemn it. and just that stark presentation about what the president didn't do left me feeling shook today at the end of this. >> not just what he did -- and
we all know that -- the weeks leading up to it, the assault on these elections officials in the month before -- it is what he didn't do that day. i thought that was the most compelling case, the strongest evidence that it took hours to send even a tweet, and then he still is commending them, calling them patriots, saying he loves them. his own family members asking him to do something. governor christie pleading with him to do something. kevin mccarthy going on fox news and saying this has to stop. all of the people that called the national guard, including his own vice president. the national guard, the head of the national guard published who called him, and it wasn't donald trump. so, when you go through all of that, it just simply is, to me, it was enough by what he said when he incited the rioters, told them to march down pennsylvania avenue, but the final piece of evidence, i don't think you need more than that, is that he did nothing to really
stop it, with republicans crying for him to do it over and over again. >> minnesota senator amy klobuchar, again, thank you for making time tonight. i know this is a difficult and sort of, at least just watching at home, it's a gut-wrenching time. having you with us tonight's a real blessing. thanks. >> thanks. >> all right, we've got much more to come tonight. stay with us. right, we've got h more to come tonight stay with us
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one of president trump's key defenses focused on what he said for a few seconds, 15 minutes into the speech. >> i know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. >> in a speech spanning almost 11,000 words -- yes, we did check -- that was the one time, the only time president trump
used the word peaceful or any suggestion of nonviolence. the implication of the president's tweets, the rally, and the speeches were clear. president trump used the word fight or fighting 20 times, including telling the crowd they needed to fight like hell to save our democracy. we know how the crowd responded to donald trump's words, and he knew how they responded to his speech. >> 11,000 words in that speech. former president trump said the word peaceful once in those 11,000 words. if you're counting, he told the same crowd 20 times in that speech that they needed to fight. jennifer jacobs at bloomberg news reporting tonight that when the former president's defense lawyers have had their turn at bat, are going to have their turn at bat, excuse me, they intend to lean heavily on his single use of that phrase, peacefully and patriotically, in his january 6th speech. his lawyers, quote, are also assembling more than a dozen
videos with what they hope will be a stronger argument after the rambling presentation by attorney bruce castor during the first day of his impeachment trial, a performance that was widely panned. in addition to that news, we also know, in part from jennifer jacobs' reporting, that former president trump has been very unhappy with his defense team's performance thus far. joining us now is jennifer jacobs, senior white house reporter at bloomberg news. ms. jacobs, it's great to see you. thanks so much for making time to be here. >> thanks, rachel. >> so, a significant swath of the country, i think it's fair to say, is pretty riveted by the impeachment managers' presentation of their side of the argument. what have you been able to report so far about how things are going on the other side and how the former president feels about his defense and how it's shaping up? >> well, i can tell you, they are riveted, as well. i know for a fact, just from talking to my sources today, that his allies, the president and his allies have been
watching the live coverage. trump is, of course, watching from his private quarters at mar-a-lago. he's got a very small crew around him, including just a few advisers, including dan scavino and brian jack, who is down there, i know. he's been watching. i know he has grown increasingly aggravated as things have gone on. of course, today was all about the house managers building their case against trump, and there was less of a focus, of course, on the president's defense, and i know that he had some conversations today about wanting more of his allies to be appearing on television, so that's one of the things that has been frustrating him. there's also some concerns in the inner circle, i've been told, about who democrats go after next. is there a possibility that they would go after some of the people who were around the president on january 6th, some of the lower-tier aides that helped organize that rally on
the ellipse? so, there's various concerns, but i know the president was engaged today, i'm told, on planning his strategy for friday, when they begin their defense and very much planning out what that's going to look like. >> it sounds like they have some concern -- maybe i'm reading into this, but it sounds like there, obviously, is still this open question as to whether or not witnesses will be called. it sounds like, if they're worried about people around the president potentially being dragged into this, sounds like they would have a strong preference that witnesses not be called, if the house managers, indeed, decide to go that route. >> i think part of the concern is what happens after the impeachment trial wraps up, whether democrats start taking action or calling in some of those other trump aides and allies. but i've been told multiple times, and i keep asking this, is there any chance at all that the former president comes up to d.c. to be a witness? and i've been told repeatedly,
no, that's just -- that is not going to happen. >> what about the potential vote here? we see lots of reporting that the republicans in general, that president trump, perhaps specifically, is confident that there will be a vote to acquit at the end because you're not going to get 17 republicans. on the other hand, we've got senator mcconnell signaling to republicans that a vote to convict trump will be seen as a vote of conscience, it will not be a whipped vote. they do not expect people who voted not to go ahead with the trial to necessarily vote to acquit in the end. are president trump and his crew there at all concerned about the republican votes? >> well, i was told -- i've been asking his team and people around him, people familiar with it what they're planning on arguing and how they're going to -- they realize they had a very bad day on their opening day. and so, they've been trying to improve that. they've get a bunch of videos planned. part of their strategy, as you mentioned, is to keep repeating
that phrase that he did during the january 6th speech say something about peacefully and patriotically gathering. they're really going to lean hard on that. they also have some arguments, i'm told, to expect something about arguing that a judge can't be a juror at the same time, like the presiding officer, senator patrick leahy, is doing. they've got some other arguments lined up about constitutional standing. i don't think that they're terribly concerned. and in fact, i know that people around the president keep reassuring him, don't worry, there won't be enough republicans to convict. they do not think that there will be a conviction, and i was told today that they are pretty certain, they didn't hear it directly from senator mcconnell, but they doubt that senator mcconnell would vote to convict. so, as trump grows more and more frustrated, i know that people around him have been trying to reassure him, despite how everything is going, just wait for the eventually outcome, which is going to be an
acquittal. >> jennifer jacobs, senior white house reporter at bloomberg news, just doing phenomenal work for a long time, but particularly in recent weeks and months. jennifer, thanks for being with us tonight. i really appreciate it. >> thank you. all right, it's a big night here at msnbc. i want to let you know we are going to be live until 2:00 a.m. tonight. we've still got lots to come. stay with us. we'll be right back. t lots to ce stay with us we'll be right back.
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they had up to eight hours available to them. they didn't take all of their time. they'll have that eight-hour window available to them again tomorrow. they will start their case midday, but we'll see how tomorrow goes. i'll see you again tomorrow night. "way too early with kasie hunt" is up next. be advised, you've got a group of about 50 charging up the hill on the west front, just north of the stairs. they're approaching the wall now. >> they're throwing metal poles at us. give me dso now! dso! law enforcement entries! dso, get up here! we're going to give riot warnings. we're going to try to get compliance, but this is now effectively a riot. >> some of the frantic communications from capitol police being overrun by