tv The Week With Joshua Johnson MSNBC February 21, 2021 6:00pm-7:00pm PST
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a grandmother who always kept the faith. ♪♪ ♪ leaning on the everlasting ♪ >> that was nbc's kate snow reporting. it is the top of the hour. good to be with you tonight. as the pandemic rages on we will dig into what comes next and chart the progress the biden administration has made in its first month in office. from nbc news world headquarters in new york, i'm joshua johnson. welcome to the week. ♪♪ ♪♪ >> 500,000 people.
that is america's current death toll from covid at least. it's hard to swallow, especially when you see it represented that way. but there are other important statistics worth noting, reason being we are heading in the rate direction. the number of new cases has been consistently falling. so has the daily death toll, and vaccination rates are increasing rapidly. on friday, the website patch published an op-ed from president biden. he wrote that the average number of vaccinations per day is up to 1.7 million. mr. biden also doubled down on his goal of administering at least 100 million shots in his first 100 days in office. and he insisted that the u.s. is on track to have enough doses for 300 million people by the end of july. let's begin the hour with nbc news digital senior white house reporter shannon pettypiece. talk what is going on at the administration and what's been going on this week to help us
reach those goals and get everyone vaccinated. >> i would say a big trend that we have increasingly been seeing is the federal government getting more and more involved in getting shots in arms. the trump administration had a strategy to get the vaccine to the states and once it was to the it was up to the states to figure out how to allocate it and do the heavy lifting of actually getting those vaccinations to people, getting the shots in the arms. we are seeing the biden administration directly shipping doses to retail pharmacies, to federally staffed, funded and run mass vaccination centers and federal community health centers. in addition to that allowing them to expy tight this process and help out the states to some extent, it's helping them target who gets that vaccine and we have been seeing them targeting that specifically to groups most at risk of developing serious illness and with the fewest
health care resources. so particularly minority communities, low-income communities, communities that have limited access to health care. that is where the federal government is shifting more doses of vaccine every week. we see them putting more and more there, taking responsibility for this, and not just leaving it up to the states. >> obviously, the good news about the progress in the vaccination effort is tempered by this death toll of 500 through people. we have broken it down by state. we have been tracking it that way since the pandemic began and you will see those details at the bottom of your screen. how is the administration messaging on this? i imagine at least some of this decline was expected or at least hoped for after the holidays. we knew there would be a spake and then a drop. what's the messaging from the administration in terms of how much credit they are taking? >> we have heard one administration official after another warn not to get complacent. they are not attributing this
drop yet to the vaccine because it has not been widely distributed out. we don't have enough people with a second dose yet. they, of course, would like to take a little bit of credit for their messaging around masks and urging the public to take caution. but as you said, this is a big anticipated drop that came off that holiday travel season, and there is a lot of concern we hear publicly, and i am told privately as well from administration officials, that we are going to continue to see the yo-yo numbers going back up and down as people get complacent, as states pull back on restrictions like indoor dining restrictions, large mass gathering restrictions. we are going to see the numbers tick back up. of course, complicating all of this and creating a large amount of concern for administration officials, we hear repeatedly are the variants that are out there and how those are going to change the dynamics in a sense that they are in a race against time to get people vaccinated
before some of these variants that are out there that are more transmissable, before they can spread and become dominant in the country. >> we know that the house, at least house democrats, are planning to vote on president biden's stimulus package, his covid stimulus package before this week is out. are those the two main benchmarks that the administration focused on, shannon, this vaccination benchmark and then getting the stimulus package passed? >> yeah, it really is. i mean, it is covid, covid, covid. and we heard them talk last week about an immigration plan and there were certainly people in the administration who are focused on immigration. you have the department of homeland security as well. the texas natural disaster this week, which took a lot of attention. but the foundation for everything they are doing is based on covid. it's based on getting the pandemic under control through mitigation measures, through
vaccinations, and getting the economy back on track. getting assistance to small businesses, keeping those unemployment supplemental checks going beyond the march 15th deadline that's coming up, keeping the foundation of the country there until we can get the pandemic under control and start returning to some sense of normalcy, and like i said, they talk about immigration, we hear them talk about criminal justice reform, even potentially gun control. all of those things though are going to have to wait until they get out of what the white house administration officials describe as a crisis situation right now. >> thank you, shannon. nbc's shannon pettypiece starting us off this hour. president biden will soon face a major decision about america's longest war. the war in afghanistan. namely, whether to pull all of our troops out this spring. last year the trump administration negotiated a deal with the taliban.
it requires the u.s. to pull all troops out by may the 1st. america currently has 2,500 troops in afghanistan working alongside nato allies. they are engaged in counterterror operations and training afghan security forces. this week nato defense leaders met to discuss the next steps. they left that meeting with no decision made. basically, they are waiting to see what the u.s. does. defense secretary lloyd austin staked out the administration's position on friday. >> clearly, the violence is too high right now and more progress needs to be made in the afghan-led negotiations. the united states will not undertake a hasty or disorderly withdrawal from afghanistan. that puts their forces or the alliances' reputation at risk. >> the taliban has positioned itself around major afghan cities. if u.s. troops leave, what will become of afghanistan? and if the troops stay, what
does winning look like? joining us now is democratic congressman jason crow of colorado. he is a member of the house armed services committee. he also served in afghanistan as an army ranger. congressman, good evening. >> hi, good evening. thanks for having me on. >> let me if get your reaction to one of the republican members of the house foreign committee. >> i was in the white house with president trump arguing to him, you don't want to repeat the same mistake as your predecessor in iraq where you pull out 100% and isis reared its ugly head. not allow the taliban to take over the country is important to their national security interests and ours. >> congressman, what is your sense of what may happen if the u.s. pulls out on may 1st at least the way things are going on the ground right now? >> i don't think we are going to pull out on may 1st. there is no way to do that
safely for the soldiers, and also to do it and keep faith with our allies here. there are a couple of things going on. first off, i think it's important to say that we have to end this war. this is america's longest war. spent our blood, our treasure. we can't be there forever. we have a minimal presence there. it's much, much smaller since 9/11. so the footprint is very small. but there is a right way to do this and a wrong way. there are more nato allies there than there are u.s. troops. and the only time in the history of the nato alliance that article 5, which is the neutral self-defense provision, has been invoked was after 9/11 and our allies came to our aid and went to war in afghanistan with us. if we were to pull out without consulting with them, that will do major damage to our alliances and standing with nato. even more, it would be an unmitigated disaster for the people in afghanistan and the women and children in
particular. the tal taliban continue to do terrible things there. they would sweep into population centers and it would be a disaster. >> the effort has come a long way in terms of just standing up afghan security forces, professionalizing them, getting them in line. that has been a herculean task. so that is also one of the things that could be lost. but with regards to nato's presence, the one thame nato ever had to attack an attack is an attack on one principle is after 9/11. how is that relationship going now? president biden spoke at the munich security conference and very vocally reaffirmed we support article 5, we are still partners of yours. how far do you think that went? >> there are two things going on here. one is this idea of the may 1st taliban agreement. the taliban agreement is a fantasy. it's never been real. it's not based on actual facts and what's going on on the ground. it was a political stunt by the
trump administration in my view to try to give an excuse for them to pull out without consultation with our al likes. it has to be second based on the facts on the ground. it has to be based on conditions that are actually met by the taliban, which are not being met. that's the first thing. the second is we are trying to rebuild our relationship with nato. four years under president trump, the worst four years of the nato alliance, we are trying to show a commitment. this is our first real test of that. how are we going to engage, consult, and whether we are going to do this together. the answer has to be yes. it has to be that we are going to engage with allies that have soldiers on the ground with us now fighting and serving shoulder to shoulder. if we do it any other way, it would send the wrong message. >> how long do you expect the u.s. to remain in afghanistan? >> i don't think we have that information yet. unfortunately, the trump administration was not forthcoming with information. it was very, very hard to come by. it was one of the darker periods
in terms of congressional executive branch relations. i mean, a lot of people know that. we have to get the information. also, unfortunately, the trump administration did not provide the biden administration with information. they actually didn't allow them to speak to the military commanders during the transition period. so what they are doing now is they are gathering that information. they are assessing the conditions on the ground, talking to our allies, talking to national security and defense forcer forces. when we get that information we can figure out what the training mission looks like, what a counterterrorism mission looks like and how to safely ramp that down. >> one more thing i want to ask you before i let you go. there is a meeting this week of the house armed services committee to talk about space-based and nuclear weapons from what we call near peer adversaries like china and russia. president trump created the space force, but there has been concern about space-based
weapons. i know people have watched a lot of james bond movies think this is science fiction. this is more than just a notion. weapons like this are actually in the offing and the development. how much do you think the u.s. is prepared for or needs to pivot to dealing with these kinds of next-gen 21st century military threats, especially since we haven't fully unraveled ourselves from afghanistan yet? >> well, joshua, i think the best way to sum this up for your viewers right now is that the future is now. right? these are not some future science fiction weapons. the things that currently exist to or about to exist in the very near future are pretty dangerous systems. so we have to make sure that we are keeping ahead of our dangerous adversaries, developing the technology. that's one of the reasons we set up the space force, to give it the importance, to elevate it with the other branches that it deserves as the new domain of potential warfare.
we have to make sure we are getting this right because, if we don't, we be in trouble. if you think about what space does, it actually controls our ability to navigate, controls our ability to communicate. we can't communicate and we can't move around and actually it controls the access to the financial systems, too. and if we do not secure that domain, we to be in a very bad way. >> yeah, just because it's insignia looks like something out of "star trek" doesn't mean it's the stuff of science fiction anymore. i would love to have you back because this is real and bears further conversation. for now, democratic congressman jason crow of colorado, thanks very much. >> thanks, joshua. still to come, former new jersey governor thomas keen chaired the 9/11 commission. he will join us to consider a similar commission to investigate the capitol riot. plus, more mutations of coronavirus are being detected around the world. what's being done to save lives? nbc's richard engle previews
tonight's special report on how new covid strains are reshaping the battle against the pandemic. first, richard lui is here with the headlines. some of the stories this hour. iran threatened to cut back undocumented immigrant inspections of the nuclear facilities if president biden pursues the same policies and sanctions as the previous administration. iran's foreign minister saying the policy of maximum pressure was still being applied to iran. the white house says it's ready to hold talks with other world powers and iran to discuss a deal. kroger says its vendor was hacked. the breach compromised kroger customers' data including social security numbers. kroger said it affected less than 1% of customers. in sports, novak djokovic won his ninth australian open. he defeated daniil medvedev in straight sets. this marks the 18th career grand slam for the serbian star. yes, his rank remains numero uno
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andrew cuomo announced that a resident has tested positive for a variant of covid discovered in south africa. it is one of three particularly worrisome mutations that the cdc is monitoring. scientists around the world fear our current vaccines might not work on these new more contagious strains. richard engle has a closer look. >> reporter: we are now in a race, a race to vaccinate the public while the vaccines we have still work, and the current vaccines still do work, although some of them don't work quite as well against some of the viral variants, particularly the south african variant has shown an ability to resist certain vaccines. we are in a race to get these vaccines out to the public whale
they still work because this virus is evolving and scientists believe onedy it will evolve to a point where the vaccines we have, that are currently being manufactured, do not work anymore. so that's one facet of the race. and the other facet is the next step. what happens when that day arrives when the vaccines we have do no longer work? and are no longer effective? and the one positive development that has come out of this horrible year of 2020 and has been pretty rough going into 2021 is a huge development in vaccine technology. vaccines for, since they have been around, for a very long time, have been fairly traditional products. hu to grow them. sometimes you used chicken eggs to grow them. it's a biological product, and you have to make it. now vaccines are being genetically produced, produced down to genetic code level.
and this means that you can do things much, much quicker. if the vaccine, if the virus changes, changes shape, because you are dealing with genetic code, reprogram the vaccine so it recognizes the virus. and that is a transformative way of making vaccines. and i spoke to the inventor of the pfizer vaccine. not all the vaccines, by the way, use this technology. pfizer and moderna do. they are mrna vaccines. and i asked him, can we keep doing this? is this the kind of thing, this technology, will it allow you to continually upgrade and modify the vaccine while the virus is through the process of evolution modifying itself? >> reporter: he invented the pfizer vaccine. the ceo of biontech. is it almost like you are cutting and pasting like a computer? >> yeah, a little bit, it's a
copy of the virus, but in the copy, of course, there is no genetic piece of the virus it is just information, which is safe and just not able to replicate. it is so easy. so it is, of course, not easy, but it is a process that allows us to make it fast. >> reporter: so it's a copy and paste of the genetic material? >> copy and paste, yeah. >> reporter: no matter how many times it changes, you just copy a new -- >> copy and paste. copy and pastry. it's a transformative way of making vaccines? >> yeah, absolutely. and it is faster, yeah, by increasing our production capacities and we will be prepared the next time when an outbreak happens to be even faster than we were this time. >> reporter: he says it takes him about six weeks to update the vaccine to account for viral mutations. but each update, while now
possible, could create enormous logistical challenges of manufacturing and distributing multiple vaccines for multiple strains. far better, contain this wildfire now before we need to reinvent the tools to do it. so we are in a race against the virus. two races, actually. a race to use our vaccines now while they still work, because it is much, much easier to use the viruss we have and use the weapons that are on hand against the virus, but also being prepared and getting ready for that next challenge when we have to reprogram, copy and paste, and re-create new vaccines. joshua. >> thank you, richard. nbc's richard engle reporting. stay tuned for on assignment with richard engle, covid mutants up next on msnbc. some are calling for an investigation into the capitol riots modelled after the 9/11 commission.
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after the january 6th attack on the u.s. capitol. so do the prosecutions. on friday the justice department charged six members of the far-right militia group the oath keepers. prosecutors say they orchestrated a months-long plot to stop congress from verifying president biden's victory. what should congress do now? this week house speaker nancy pelosi promised an independent commission to flesh out everything about the insurrection. congress would model it after the commission that investigated the september 11th attacks. that idea seems to have bipartisan support. republican senator lindsey graham has expressed interest in at least the idea of such a commission, though the specifics have yet to be worked out. joining us now is thomas kean,
the former governor of new jersey. weighs the chair -- he was the chair of the 9/11 commission. governor thomas kean, good evening. let me play a little bit of what nancy pelosi said about this idea during a briefing on monday. >> there is really strong support in the country for us to have seek the truth, find the truth, but also understand how we have to protect the people from what might be out there in terms of domestic terrorism and the rest. >> what do you make of a 9/11-style commission? >> i think it's very important that we do it for two reasons basically. one, this is a very, very important event and a very, very serious event. i grew up in washington. i was in for congress for 20 years. i venerated that capitol. i seen where webster sat and
clay sat, the broom that joe mccarthy had his hearings in and kids come to the capitol every day to learn about democracy. now to have it invaded by a mob and not have questions answered, not know really how much was planned ahead of time. did they -- was it spontaneous? we don't know any of that yet. a 9/11 style of investigation is the only way, i think, to do it and ensure that you will get a bipartisan fair hearing that you can take to the american people and that the american people will support. >> talk about this kind of a commission. what would it be comprised of? what kind of people would serve on it? how long do you think it would take? run us through some of the nuts and bolts. >> well, most important thing is who sits on it because you have got to have it bipartisan. you have to have people that don't serve in office now, maybe a higher office, nobody to make a reputation for themselves out of the hearings. you want men and women, and not
necessarily from washington. you can have former governors, former attorney generals, people who served in the state department, former judges. i mean, good human beings out there. men and women who want to help the country and would be willing to serve on something like this. it's an important thing that it be non-elected officers now and they be bipartisan and have a record of being able to reach across the aisle. washington is so partisan now. this cannot be partisan. it's going to be partisan, don't do it. >> what do you think were some of the things that the 9/11 commission did well and what are some things that you think the 9/11 commission could have done better? >> well, look, the 9/11 commission, five republicans and five democrats met at a time of -- another time of extreme partisanship. we were able to get together, make our recommendations, write a report which was so -- on a
controversial topic. we wrote a report that is still used in colleges in classrooms today as the final word on that particular terrible event in american history. so that we did. and out of that report we wrote recommendations. 41 recommendations. 40 of them were adopted by the united states congress and the american people. if you remember, we were all worried about can a terrorist pull off another attack similar at all to 9/11. the answer is, since we put the reforms in place, since congress and the president adopted the recommendations, we haven't had figure like that. so in addition to being credible, it worked. american people are safer today because of it. and so i think the suggestion by the speaker to do something that worked and do it again on another very serious matter for american democracy, why not? >> with regards to bipartisan, there are plenty of people, and this, of course, was the mainstream of an impeachment
trial, so i don't think i am going out on a limb here, who would say one of the big factors behind this attack was the former president. that donald trump and his rhetoric have to be a central part, if not a major part, of the report for it to be truthful and to have credibility in the long lens of history. that, of course, makes it in some way partisan because there will be republicans who say this is just another way to get a hit job on donald trump since you couldn't convict him at the impeachment trial and people are still trying to pursue lawsuits after he has left office. how do we reckon with donald trump in this process if indeed there is a commission? >> first of all, again, most important, is appointing people of real credibility who have already established reputations and who have in their careers reached across the aisle. that's very, very important. now, i assume donald trump will be one of the witnesses. we want to know what he knew and what he did.
that's not unusual. the 9/11 investigation, we interviewed the sitting president. we interviewed a sitting president, a sitting vice president. we interviewed the former president. and all -- the secretary of state. a lot of people who had served in the american government, and who were -- the president was running for reelection at the time. so this was not an easy thing to do. but we established the credibility. we did it. they came forward and gave us their best. you have to have subpoena power. in case somebody doesn't want to come forward, you can yently encourage them to by using a subpoena. look, i don't know of any other way to get the truth out without the kind of partisanship that you have in the united states congress and very widely spread around the country. but there are a lot of people, very good people, men and women out there who have a record that's not partisan and those are the people you have to pick. >> briefly, last ten seconds,
what do we do if donald trump decides either not to testify or to lie? >> well, look, there are remedies for somebody who lies under oath, first of all. and secondly, my hope is he comes forward voluntarily, subpoena him like anybody else. and you go where it leads you. it's not against anybody. it's not to hurt anybody. but it's to get the truth for the american people and you follow the facts. >> former new jersey governor thomas kean, the chair of the 9/11 commission. governor, thanks very much. >> thank you, sir. some countries are having more success fighting the pandemic than others. why is that? the author of a new study on that joins us next. s next remember commercials with exciting stunts. so to help you remember that liberty mutual customizes your home insurance, here's something you shouldn't try at home. insurance is cool. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ wanna build a gaming business that breaks the internet?
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covid-19 infected every nation. world, but different nations have taken different strategies and gotten very different outcomes. today by our count the united states reached a half-million known deaths from covid. in the u.k., strict lockdown measures have reduced case numbers. tomorrow the prime minister plans to announce a roadmap towards easing restrictions. in australia and new zealand, vaccines are rolling out to populations that are basically covid-19 free. what is behind these vast differences around the world? it might come down symptom key cultural differences.
joining us is michelle gelfand, the author of "rule makers, rule breakers, how tight and loose cultures wire our world." professor, good evening. >> hi there. >> let's remind people of what you mean by a tight or loose culture. here are some nations that you have classified as either tight or loose cultures. a tight culture might be someplace like japan, south korea, china or singapore. loose cultures places like brazil, the u.s., the u.k., and spain. you can see them there on the map. what is the difference between a tight culture and loose culture as you define it? >> all cultures have social norms or unwritten rules for social behaviors. we wear clothes, we leave the house, we don't steal, we don't sing loudly and dance in the library, and we do these things because it helps our society function. they he keep us together. but what we know is some
cultures abide by social norms quite strictly, tight cull and others are loose. they have more relaxed attitudes towards rule breakers. these differences aren't random. we found that cultures with histories of collective threat, chronic natural disasters, disease, famine and invasions have stricters rules to help facilitate order and cohesion. if you think about it, it makes good evolutionary sense. following the rules helps us survive chaos and crisis. looser groups that have generally speaking face fewer chronic threats can be afford to be more permissive. really neither tight or loose is necessarily good or bad. loose cultures are the bastions of creativity and tolerance. the question is which cultural code is better suited to a collective threat. >> what did your research find in terms how these different cultures dealt with covid? >> we studied 57 countries up to
mid-october and we found that loose cultures really struggled with covid. they have five times the number of cases and almost nine times the number of deaths. cultures, of course, not the only factor predicting cases and deaths. we included wealth and inequality, climate, the age of the population, density among many other factors. but culture matters in controlling for these things. but what was really quite astonishing was that even though loose cultures were facing far more threat, they were reporting being less fearful of covid-19. 70% of people in tight cultures were scared. and so fear is really important for tightening, but this didn't happen as much in loose cultures, and we can call this kind of an evolutionary mismatch. traits that are great in some environments like rule break something great for innovation are mall adaptive in other contexts. >> when you say people are less afraid of covid, that seemed to be one of the problems in the u.s. in terms of people not
seeming to give a damn. i wonder how we contextualize the way various americans reacted to covid in this country not just in terms of fear, but in terms of even caring, in terms of just having the decency to wear a mask. >> well, i think they are interconnected. when we feel fear, feel the danger, get that signal, it naturally produces the willingness to follow rules. loose cultures have unrealistic optimism. it's not greatly matched to a pandemic. we also tend to be reactive when people tell us to abide by rules. we are used to having freedom and permissiveness. so we have a kind of reaction. we have fear of lockdowns and masks than we do of the virus. not all loose cultures miss the signal. i think new zealand is a great example of an ambidextrous culture. they were famously loose kiwis, but they pivoted and tightened
and people were willing to sacrifice that freedom for more constraint with, in this case, they did a great job. >> yeah between dealing with covid, the christchurch shooting, credited as one of the reasons prime minister jacinda arden won another team. maybe we will call it a snug culture. i don't know. with regards to china, china is not just a tight culture. it's a repressive culture. it's made it harder to fight the pandemic because we can't get complete information from the chinese government about what's going on in wuhan, what's happening in the markets there, whether scientists from the world health organization have gotten proper access to the data they need. it feels like tightness or a looseness can be a blessing in some areas and a real curse in others. >> exactly. i think that's where having both order and openness are really important for cultures as we're trying to navigate collective
threat. we need leadership to help us be able to do that. we can rise to the occasion with great leadership and willingness to follow rules. to your point, tight cultures really can be very repressive. we are not saying that cultures become repressive. we control for authoritarianism in our data. we are looking at people's willingness to sacrifice freedom temporarily. we need to fight this threat by temporarily tightening and then loosening when it's safe. that's kind of the logic behind dealing with pandemics from a cultural point of view. >> university of maryland psychology professor michelle gelfand, good to have you back on the program. thank you. >> thank you. the world is full of big problems. what small steps are you taking to help solve them? we'll share a few of your stories before we go. w your stories before we go i'm a verizon engineer, part of the team that built 5g right, the only one from america's most reliable network. we designed our 5g to make
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before we go, let's read some emails. we asked what small task you are struggling with to make a difference. something positive you are doing despite the difficulty. collin writes this week despite being surrounded by love, grace and family and friends i find myself struggling with small things like remembering to eat, sleep and brush my teeth. those i met in recovery are struggling to do the small things, and it often helps me to do the next right thing often under impossible circumstances, helps me transform humiliating weeks like these into humbling ones. that may not bring shelter to the unhoused, or food to the 54 million americans who will go hungry this year, but it does make a big change in my life. it makes the rest of it look possible. and this is one, i'm a mom, a
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politics peaceful in the hopes of preventing more political violence like we saw at the capitol. charlie writes since george floyd's death, i choose not to attend large black lives protests in portland, oregon, because i don't want to be lost in dumpster fires and broken bottles, and unjust distortion of peaceful protesters, so i attend smaller black lives matter family-friendly protests in a little portland neighbor with signs supporting georgia, vote early, blm, change, justice, anti-racism, end qualified immunity. blm at the forefront. we stand seven days a week, never confronting threatening counter protesters, taking a moral stand until we realize justice and change. indigenous in solidarity with blm. and this one, with tensions high in my immediate circle, the go-to move is to aide the topic
or only indulge at the surface level. but the only way to impact minds is through conversation. i'm educating myself more on the other side's point of views and rather than delivering my opinions as statements. i am asking questions that may foster a reciprocal conversation. it is important to plant the seeds of understanding versus inflaming combatty and defensive dialogue. this is helping know harness more nurturing relationships with people who are receptive of engaging in the topic. very wise, questions over comments. very wise. and finally, this one, i am helping to help keep our politics peaceful by treating everyone i encounter with the same humanity and respect they desire and believe that we all deserve. well said. that rule is golden for a reason. thank you for all of your stories. sorry we could not get them in last week, but glad we got them in tonight.
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