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good afternoon. it is 2:00 p.m. democrats are fating the reality of trying to governor with the narrowist committee possible. right now they are trying to mark up the $2 trillion relief bill. it will pave the way for the bill to pass as rl early as this friday. democrats are torn on the
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minimum wage there are also concerns that they might not pass that at all with a reconciliation. we're expecting that as early as tomorrow. also the attorney general's nominee. it is perhaps the most high profile cabinet nominee to appear before congress so far. and he spoke emotionally about what justice means to him and his family. >> my grandparents faced persecution. the country took us in. and protected us.
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and i feel an obligation to the country to pay back the highest and best use of my own skills to pay it back. >> they expect to pass with a lot of nominees, but biden's pick to run the omb is facing opposition from joe manchin tanking her nomination unless at least one republican agrees to support her. down this street from the capitol today, the supreme court declined again to block a grand jury from seeing tax returns. >> they are discussing that with interesting insights. joining me now is garrett haake.
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so i know you have been watching the confirmation, let's start with relief. a really tight deadline trying to get this done by friday, where do things stand? >> the relief is moving the way they want it to. we have this budget committee happening in the afternoon. rules committee, and a floor vote by the end of this week or weekend. that kicks things over to the weekend where we learn about procedures and that chamber is going through with a fine today comb. but in terms of the democratic perspective on this, it is still all systems go for getting this bill to the president's desk by the middle of march.
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>> explain the hold up for the hike. you have issues with the senate parliamentarian. tell us how this will go. >> right now they're waiting and probregsive democrats are saying they could have this wage hike and this bill through reconciliation. it is supposed today have a big impact. it is fiscal policy. they have every other point. they're saying no, but they say yes, and they said even today in
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the press briefing that he is committed to this. and the vaccination bill. . they are saying no way no how on $15 they have to negotiate it down. >> so you have also been writing today that there was a smaller wage hike that has been proposed. an $11 wage hike and a $12 wage hike, what's the likelihood in that? eugene? >> can you hear me? >> we lost you, but we got you now. >> the joy of being at home. well, there is this conversation of if it is not $15 what is it right? some of these modern republicans that are like an $11 or $12
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minimum wage. but that is something that they are not super interested in, right? they have drawn a strong line. but they know if they have to get it into this reconciliation bill and that fight is going to continue because you have moderates on the republican and democratic side and they are pushing joe biden to make good on his promise. and biden would be pretty difficult if it doesn't make it into reconciliation. >> back to what you have been watching aday for the garland hearings. there is little likelihood that garland will face any real opposition especiallyen the answers we heard from him today, what stood out to you the most. >> he has been a case study. he is prepared, he is well known, and he failed to trip any
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of the side logical red flags that even republican senators that might be critical of him have pressed him on it is the moment that you played in the open. and he was pressed really hard, i think the hardest was by republican tom cotton about the death penalty. he never raised his voice. he handled the questions with a little self effacement of asking questions back and trying to navigate this whole thing in a way that didn't enflame the situation any further. the hearings that i covered in the trump era, and republicans are walking away fairly impressed. here is some of what they have to say in the breaks of this hearing so far. >> he has a reputation of being a person of integrity.
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i believe that until he proves otherwise. >> i'm impressed by his experience and temperament and commitment to equal justice the department of justice and he made that commitment. >> is there any discussion here they won't need to hold the nomination over. that could put him on the floor of the senate vote as early as this month. it is hard to see if there is any significant opposition to his nomination coming from. >> quickly are there any more ideas that could support him? >> it's hard to see where it might come from, but they
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continue to hope there will be at least one. >> thank you for starting us off. following news out of washington. they declined to block a new york grand jury and other financial documents. he had been fighting this for awhile. they could get those records in a matter of days. joining me now is michael cohen. also joining me is joyce vance. become both of you. presenting them to the grand jury, we know initially this investigation was all about mush money payments, what might these documents and tax returns show on that front?
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>> nobody has seen it, you can rest asure that trump has tried to keep everybody or the district attorney from seeing it. you know the book "the emperor's new clothes" we're going to see a new sequel of "the emperor has no clothes." trump with the hush money payments did not declare it for whatever way that you would declare it. i'm not an accountant so i don't know, but i'm sure you can't deduct it as a legal fee or some other manner that i'm is your honor that is exactly what he did. they say they moved on to investigating other financial manners as well. i know you testified that he inflated his assets according to who he was reporting to.
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what might these documents refer to about that. >> they might have the ax -- the department of transaction for the populations that could be owned by trump and he will compare those to the tax returns and you know it is one thing that i can turn around and tell you he should start maybe speaking to someone about getting a custom made jump suit, it does not look good for him, that's my prediction. >> joist, michael there implying he will be pauled off to prison. is that the scenario or the ending that could happen from a case like this? >> it could. i this i it is risky to crystal ball too far into a criminal
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prosecution. but they send signals that this is a serious investigation. he is well known for his case to handle financial cases. that suggests that it is so productive. it is maybe the very last piece of evidence that he needs to evaluate in this case. >> what steps will this case now take. what's the time line on this? >> it is tough to put a time line on it, but essentially the supreme court's ruling means it's all over but the shouting. trans -- once he has these in
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hand, he reaches a decision point fairly quickly i would think whether or not to indict or not. if so o what the cope of that indictment will be and then it is time to go. time to make sure the case it put together and all of the evidence he needs is admissible and you're go our you don't go. there is an interesting nuance here. in the course of vance's investigation he may discover evidence that would be of use to federal prosecutors with federal crimes and in that case he can go to the court and obtain what is called a sharing order and transfer evidence that he receives through the grand jury for any federal prosecutors. so there is a lot of potential here. he has been so touchy about his taxes and we don't know if that is because of what they indicate about his net worth or if there
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is more or greater concerns in these documents. >> joyce, there is a lot of investigations that he is facing. a lot of criminal investigations. including civil investigations. where does this one line up among all of the others? is. >> this is a really interesting case. it straddles the prepresidency conduct and the conduct during the election and the campaign. as you pointed out and michael discussed, this ensire investigation that vance has been battling with, whether or not they violated tax law and payments to stormy daniel that were hush money. whether or not he inflated
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properties to get loans. so this runs the spuk trum -- spectrum of his personal business. >> you have a lon history and relationship. yes, it has been broken in the past couple of years but it is fair to ask you to dive into the mind of donald trump right now. what is he thinking as he faces this investigation and this case? is it because he doesn't want anyone to know. are there real financial legal issues here which is why he has been so addiment about releasing his taxes. >> they know that once they start to look through the
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documents and to show all of the various actions taken by trump and others. it doesn't just deal with trump. there are a multitude of people also being done with the district attorney. you have the cfo, you have the trump children and other people but he is concerned not only from a financial standpoint but he knows when he is caught with the tax evasion and the bank fraud, there are bank fraud penalties that increase the amount and trump is not liquid. and it is part of the trump organization. he is extremely nervous for him
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right now. he is extremely agitated from what i understand. the supreme court that he thinks he placed enough members in the supreme court they should have ruled in his favor and being disloyal to him. he is angry about that as well. it is a supreme course decision. he continues the witch hunt against him. he says there was crimes against him but also the lie that the election was stolen. joist vance, good to see you. will it work? we have a report from the city with the highest child poverty rate in the country. this could change a lot of
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things in this country. after most of texas went dark, his lights stayed on. his electric bill is nearly $17,000. he is not alone. so what in the world is going on down there in texas? first up, the essential workers finding it impossible to get a vaccine. s finding it impossible to get a vaccine. [music: “you're the best” by joe esposito] [music: “you're the best” by joe esposito] [triumphantly yells] [ding] don't get mad. get e*trade and take charge of your finances today. thousands of women with metastatic breast cancer, which is breast cancer that has spread
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vigil tonight to honor the more than 500,000 people who have now lost their lives to coronavirus. this was the front page of new york's sunday times. the blush is a tiny dot each one representing a lost life. it is enough to fill a cemetery the size of arlington national cemetery. the u.s. which is 5% of the world's population is 20% of the world's deaths. a heavy shadow that cases and hospitalizations are at their lowest point in months. joining me now is a former and -- advisor and a surgeon.
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we lost 500,000 fellow americans in a year, less than a year, from the virus. we're starting to see all of the cases go down. logically it makes sense but it is hard emotionally to wrap your head around it. >> yeah, the damage, it is unimaginable a year ago that we would think that walk down any street in the country and just pick a spot on that door and there is someone eliminated. just keep on walking down the street and there is another one and another one. and we know these people. especially for those over the age of 55. 93% of the deaths have been in the ages over 55. and we have set our country back in enormous ways. there will be when we finally tally this up for 2020 i would estimate around three years of lost life expectancy for america on average.
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>> i think as we try to understand all that we have lost there is also a lot of confusion about where we currently stand. a lot of debate about whether or not we are out of the woods, about to be out of the woods, whether or not we need to be more diligent than ever. where do we stand? >> well, the third surge is coming down. we are finally, in last week, seeing a decline in deaths that take the longest to see after the cases fall. so where we were north of 3,000 deaths per day we're now at 1500 deaths per day and it can go down further. we need to see it all of the way through, see it go down, vaccinations are coming in behind that. the vaccination effect has only barely begun. on the whole, we're on the mend. and it is possible to avoid a fourth surge. i think we're likely to see 600,000 deaths.
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i would like us to hold to it long enough that we don't see 700,000 deaths. and what that will take is still not letting up on the pedal when it comes to some basic things. masks, being able to keep on with the vaccination campaign, and limited capacity. this is not the moment to open up weddings, funerals, kitchens -- i'm watching number that's plateaued and started to creep back upwards in a few states. that would be a real concern. >> there is also debate because this virus has a seasonal aspect to it. at this point last year we were still very much on the uphill part of this journey for the number of coronavirus cases.
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what do you make about the argument for seasonality? >> i think there will be a seasonal effect, but the notion that people are now going outdoors in one of the biggest freezes that we have got. in fact, the big concern in the last week is the number of people that had to congregate together, mixing new households just for essentially refugees within our borders. we are, what i think we're seeing in the decline, which i think there is solid evidence for is that the country face to face with the worst of the pandemic started wearing masks with more than 90% of us ultimately putting on a mask most or all of the time. and we heavily limited that today i spent time with ten people or more outside of my core household and workplace. and those effects are being
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seen. we will see the vaccinations catch up, and we will see seasonal effects. but this is too early to have seen the seasonal effects. >> again, we laos 500,000 people in this country less than a year from this virus. doctor, thank you for joining us. ghadi, you're covering a group of people considered essential workers but are having a hard time getting vaccinating. tell me what you're reporting from there? >> yeah, it is fascinating to hear you talk to the doctor about this seasonal aspect because we have a different seasonal aspect here in a lot of these forgotten neighborhoods. this is the type that we don't normally talk about. so here we're just outside of the feeds of oxnard. and you have little apartments
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like this. this one right here there is nine people living here temporarily. this is the work force that keeps america fed. a lot live out in the central valley. they will come out and work as the seasons change right now. we're getting ready for the strawberry harvest. a lot of people coming here and living in exampled conditions like this and then they go out to the fields. what we have seen in talking to some of the people in the fields is they say they had covid-19 or they know someone that did, and they all, every single one of them say they encountered covid-19. not one of them says they know a farm worker that got the vaccine. so when you look at it there is about 40% of the california population that is latino, and about 16% of the vaccines they have given out went to latino. there is a large gap there. you also talk about the labor
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force that feeds the country. the people that we talked to here say they should be protected when they're going out in the feeds. -- fields. they have cramped conditions. we have never seen our food supply disrupted. they have been working the entire time. they're working to get. >> that is remarkable. thank you very much, reporting from oxnard, california, my mother shaking her hand at me like i don't know it. first the power, now millions of texans are facing a clean water crisis. and imagine opening up your electricity bill to find out you owe $17,000. that's what happened to our next guest, stay with us. o our next guest, stay with us.
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from the "washington post" where is greg abbott. senator ted cruz has been mocked for posting photos of himself handing out water bottles after the cancun vacation disaster. people who pay wholesale prices are getting hit with astronomical bills paying wholesale does usually mean you do better. prices fluctuate based on demand and that normally means pretty affordable rates, but a lot of customers who pipes stayed on are now facing bills in the thousands of dollars. take scott willoby. look on the bottom right.
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16847.35. that's a lot of money. he says his savings are now gone. there are calls to do something about it. joining me now is scott willoughby. >> what are you going to do with this bill? >>. >> there is not much to do, it is paid, they get paid in advance. every day they took a little more, a little more, until when it was all said and done it was almost $17,000. >> all of your savings, you say is basically now gone because of this? >> not all, but a good majority is gone, yes. >> do you have any hope that you will get any of that money back? is it fair? you bought into this wholesale
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pricing which means most of the time you do pretty good. given the enormity of this crisis that you will get a good portion of that back? >> i'm hope the text legislature does something. i saw today they froze them from sending bills and from cutting off anyone's power. i'm hoping they do something to give us some relief. you know, you say that we have done pretty good overall, but i don't think anybody would have traded $7 or $8 a month here and there for a $17,000 bill. there was no disclosures or warnings. just advertisements saying sign up to save money. >> i'm presuming you didn't
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think the power grid would fail. they say we know you're angry, so are we, and they shift that to the public utilities commission saying we intend to fight this for and alongside our customers to reveal why such price increases were allowed to happen. in your estimation who do you think is responsible for this? is it the governor? is itle federal government? >> i think it is a combination. i don't blame him for anything. fully disclosing the types of risks, but they just pass along the wholesale prices to the customer. so i don't really blame griddy. i think it is part the public
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utility commission that is not a government entity, it is a not for profit corporation that makes the total policy on our power grid. i think that it needs to be a state agency. >> more regulation. scott, thank you so much for being with us. we're sorry you had to deal with this. we know you had a go fund me and some of the money has been raised to help pay this bill, we're happy to hear about that, thank you for being with us. we hope the ors facing similar bills are getting the same help as well. >> joining me is congressman alred. who should be paying this bill? is it customers like scott or someone else? >> certainly i want to thank him
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for his service to our country. i'm on the veteran's affairs committee and my office is trying to reach out to him to see if there is anything we can do to help him. but absolutely these costs should not be passed on to these governors that reied on energy to survive last week. these have some risk built in but nothing that you could imagine, not something like this that could happen. there is some blame to go around. i think a governor and a bipartisan group of legislatures are looking to reimburns some of these bills. and i will support them in doing that. the failure of our grid should not be passed on to texans. >> so the governor of texas has said that he is going to force the grid to be winterized. he will force ercot to do it going forward spp that enough of
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a fix? or do you believe they have the appetite for the federal government to come in and regulate? >> i think the first thing we have to do in texas is learn from mistakes. in 2011 we had a cold snap. we had black outs then as when. they said take temperatures to winterize or it will happen again. here we are, dozens of texans have died. billions in damage, and folks here in my neighborhood that don't have potable water because they're pipes burst. we have to do something. some energy companies took steps to winterize. one in north texas, i spoke with their ceo about the steps they took, those kinds of best practices should be required across the grid but we need to have some kind of back up plan where if we have to, maybe we
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can get some support. the biggest issue here is when we have this multiple stage collapse there was no back up. we're not tied into the federal system, and we could not draw on power from anywhere else. >> melting snow to drink. congressman, thank you so much for joning us, good luck out there. >> five decades after their deaths, the daughters of malcolm x and martin luther king come together to have an extraordinary discussion about their father's legacies and the future. after the break, the plan that democrats called a game changer for childhood poverty. ger for childhood poverty.
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they say it could cut child poverty in half. the concept may be new hear, but not around the world. wealthier countries in europe provide financial relief for families. family tax credits can put children on a better path for the rest of their lives starting from better school performance to greater college enrollment and higher earning jobs. aaron gilcrest is in cleveland, ohio. the city with the highest child poverty rate in america. what will this mean to parents? >> all of those things you just mentioned would become the reality that democrats say for parents here as well as covering basics like rent, making sure kids have enough food to eat. there are $10.5 million children living in poverty in this country according to the census. and that was the data from 2019.
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during this pandemic the number has likely gone up. the new plan that the democrats are trying to get through congress would increase the child tax credit to between 3,000 and $3600 per child for one year paid monthly over 12 months and it would remove the current income floor that exists. that means this would be extended to family that's are lower income or no income. and that is where we see the difference in cutting child poverty between 40% and 50%. we talked to a couple families here in cleveland. one mother i want you to meet. she has two daughters, she works but she says there never seems to be enough money. she welcomes the idea of extra help from washington. >> childcare is a second mortgage. i look at my budget and here is my mortgage, here is childcare at $600 a month i have to work to be able to provide a living space for my children but i also
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have to work to have a space space for my children while i'm working. there is no win. it would allow for more space to breathe. because in a situation now without it, there is no safety net. >> childcare is an expensive thing for parents all over the country. there has been push back from republicans on this. senators marco rubio and mike lee say this is essentially welfare, it's not pro family or pro work. it would cancel some other programs that help low income families. some experts say that won't float at all for democrats in congress. >> it is really hard to make ends meet when you're working a minimum wage job and you have kids that you take care of at home. you will know it is actually like a second mortgage as she
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black vice president, there is so much more work to do to end racism and equality in this country. two women who know this work firsthand are bernice king and ilyasah shabazz, the daughters of dr. martin luther king jr. and malcolm x. they got together for a remarkable conversation about their father's legacies and the future of the civil rights movement. so take us away. >> as you know, the struggle for civil rights in america has been a generational one. in the case of ilyasah shabazz and bernice king, they literally inherited the struggle for justice and freedom in america from their fathers. you don't want to miss this conversation. let's take a listen. >> reverend martin luther king jr. and malcolm x have been described as the sword and the shield. freedom fighters whose styles were very different but whose goals were largely the same.
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martin and malcolm. forever linked. their legacies, their movements and their families. >> i love her so much. >> they're like my extended family of sisters. >> they call themselves sister friends. they have literally inherited their fathers' legacies which at times can be a lonely birth right. >> who do you talk on when your father is all of that? we're the only ones living first generation whose father has a memorandum in the nation's capital. >> was there a moment when it dawned on you like my father is malcolm x, malcolm x? >> yes, it did. it's funny, when i went to college, people were chasing me on campus. are you malcolm x's daughter? i was like, oh, my gosh, yes. and trying to understand what that meant. i saw that people had these
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enormous expectations of who they thought i should be. >> instead of the so-called negro man continuing to watch his churches being bombed and little girls being murdered, it is time to take a stab. >> i don't think violence solves any social problem. it only create new and more complicated problems. i think it is also necessary to say that the assassination of malcolm x was an unfortunate tragedy. >> instead of change the white man, make you semius, we change the mind of the black man and make himself himself. we will not go away until we see change. >> as today's freedom movements shake america to its core, these women continue their family's work with black liberation on their minds and unity and
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experience. >> it will require consistency, persistency and not taken for granted. our person is in the white house because we do that a lot. well, our person won. we got to lay back. we cannot let the messiah complex take over. we've got our messiah now. so we're looking for them to save us. no. we have to have hands on deck. >> i always say that it is not our responsible to do this. right? it's not just our responsibility. it's all of our responsibility. >> the legacies are clearly linked even though they were described in life as polar opposites. but their aims were the same. now a new generation of civil rights leaders and freedom fighters are picking up the mantle where those two left off
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including ilyasah shabazz and dr. bernice king. what about saying that the fbi and the nypd may have had a hand in his death? >> these have been concerning allegations from the beginning. it has long been known that the federal government had been clueding with other elements. assume that they had been colluding with other elements. for the families and supporters of the truth and justice and malcolm x himself, this is proof positive that the assassination went far beyond the nation of islam. >> the letter is attributed to raymond wood. a former nypd office here confessed before dying that the nypd and fbi conspired in the assassination. i see you got the striped shirt and blue navy jacket memo today? i think you look great. >> thanks so much. >> that will do it for me today. if you're going outside. wear a mask.
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