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hi, everyone. we will get to the breaking news out of washington. but first, here into the deadly insurrection of the capitol later in the broadcast but first, golf super star tiger woods in a car accident in southern california around 7:00 a.m. west coast time this morning. according to the l.a. county sheriff, it was a single vehicle rollover. no other cars were involved. rescue crews had to use the hydraulic tool called the jaws of life to get tiger woods out of the vehicle. we now know woods was the only person in the car at the time of the crash. we should note, tiger woods, along with being a golf super star is a father. his daughter, sam alexis and charlie axel are 12 and 13. tiger woods' agent confirmed that woods sustained multiple leg injuries and went right into surgery. joining us now with more on this
breaking story is nbc's gadi schwartz. what do we know? >> we're learning a lot more by looking at the live video from the helicopter there. we know that tiger woods was the only person inside of that vehicle but as we zoom in here, let me kind of walk you through what it looks like. looks like all the air bags on that vehicle deployed and it looks like the jaws of life were used to approach tiger woods possibly from the windshield. as you notice, the front of the vehicle, the suv is completely gone and you may see from the chopper when it pulls out, it looks like the road is right there. so it doesn't look like it traveled that far from the road to where the suv landed. however, that's a little bit misleading because that road, it looks like the point of impact may have been initially on a sign that is maybe 100 yards down the way and then that suv is facing the opposite direction
that it was headed. so that suv was headed northbound on hawthorne boulevard there and at some point, it crossed over to the southbound lanes, crashed into a sign in the median and ended up quite a ways away, again, facing the opposite direction which would explain a little bit of that damage that you're seeing. that very extensive damage on the front end. we're told by his agent he's in the hospital with pretty severe leg injuries, as you can imagine, from his legs being near that engine compartment and he is undergoing surgery. so all the air bags deployed. we understand he was the only person inside and then there's a little bit of confusion that's come after this crash because right after that, some people saw that suv and stopped in the road and then there was another crash that happened as somebody stopped to take a look at that suv and possibly stopped to
maybe try to render aid. that was another crash, so when first responders got there, there was a single crash that was off to the side which was tiger woods and then there was another crash on the roadway. obviously, they cleared that one out and now investigators are focusing on the suv that tiger woods was in. and all this is los verdes. it's an s-turn. unclear if speed is a factor. sunny day here in california, so none of the usual culprits. the roads were completely clear. it wasn't slick. so it's unclear what caused the suv to veer off, cross the southbound lane and end up the wrong way on an embankment, but at this point, investigators are just starting their investigation. we should have answers soon. nicolle? >> the pictures tell story of a
horrible accident that make the reporting that you have got that the jaws of life were needed. what can you tell us about where this is in relation to the hospital where he was taken? it seems like if they needed to use the jaws of life, it probably took a bit to get him out of the car. how long would it have taken to get to the hospital to treat those injuries? >> i mean, i'm making an educated guess there. just based on where it is. i would say probably within, it depends. we don't know if by hospital or ambulance but no longer than 15 or 20 minutes, i'm pretty sure they would have gotten him there pretty quickly. in fact, probably would have taken him longer to be extricated than actually travel to the hospital. as we pull out, you can kind of see what we're talking about there. the two different lanes and we understand he's in the hospital right now undergoing surgery but that front end damage is very extensive and the only way the
front end damage is explained coming from the road in the opposite way is that not only are we looking at a rollover, we're possibly looking at the suv going head over tail, so basically, rolling over front ways, which is obviously something that's difficult to do at low speeds. so it's still very early in this investigation. they haven't said what contributed to this but i think it's safe to say just from the amount of debris we see on the road, the distance of the suv traveled, the lack of obvious skid marks that we've seen on the road that speed is probably something that they're going to be looking into. nicolle? >> you're saying that it was, this was not the kind of scene, accident scene that would suggest anything other than a high-speed collision and to go a rollover, you're right, most people rolling over on its side, this wreckage looks to you like it rolled out front to back,
front to back. >> yeah. just, looking at that, you can see the roof. there's that sunroof there, that's still in tact and most of the roof is still in tact and you've got damage on the side there that you're looking at. obviously, the damage on the underside. you've got the entire engine cavity that's basically been obliterated. and so, the suv is facing the opposite direction. again, it was going northbound and this is where it left the roadway. you can see there, there was a sign and you can see the deputies are starting to measure, but this is the beginning of the debris field. you've got some shrubbery that was damaged and then it keeps going for quite some distance. so that pole that you just saw the chopper make, we'll see if they do it right here but that right there is the sign that posts, there is debris of the sign. there is what appears to be the skid marks through the median or at least the tire marks. it leaves, goes across that road
right there and then at some point, goes into the trees on the other side of the road and ends up right there. again, it's facing the opposite direction which would explain the damage on the front cavity and the engine and it's not something that you can do going 20 or 30 miles an hour. that's a roadway that i'd be surprised if it was more than 45. if the speed limit was posted for more than 45, it's a residential area and it's a very gradual turn, so it's not a sharp turn. and you've got all the air bags deployed around there. so unclear what happened, but we understand there was only one person involved in this particular crash and that was tiger woods and he's undergoing surgery right now. nicolle? >> gadi, is there any reporting or comment from the hospital or have we simply learned from tiger woods' agent who confirmed he had suffered leg injuries and was currently in surgery? >> the only information that
we've gotten so far, and this isn't out of the ordinary, especially in a high profile case like this, but the only information we've gotten so far is from his agent that says he's undergoing surgery and that he's got extensive damage to his legs. initially, we were told by first responders that his injuries were moderate to critical injuries and he was transported to harvard ucla. so that was the initial report that came from ems. it will probably be a little bit of time before we hear a statement from ucla, but then again, it's 1:00 here on the west coast. all this happened at about 7:00 this morning. so we may see an update sometime soon from the hospital. they'll be respecting his patient privacy rights, but so far coming from his agent or representative of tiger woods, but from what we can tell, he survived the crash and the only
injuries that they have listed with specificity are injuries to the legs but again, nicolle, just looking at that suv and looking at the front of that suv, that's where somebody's legs go. the pedals are right there towards the front and the damage to that engine cavity is just catastrophic. >> gadi schwartz, we're so lucky to have you spend some time with us today. i know you are carefully chasing down any new details that emerge. if you learn anything, please come back and share them with us. really appreciate you today. thank you. >> thanks for having me. we're going to bring you into our conversation. sports editor of the nation and host of edge of sports podcast. if you could, i've seen some of your appearances earlier today but if you could reset for our viewers why this is such a huge deal. i mean, i know tiger woods just as a fan. i played a round of golf with
him with jeb bush when i was a young press secretary but i don't know who wasn't rooting for that comeback in 2019 and obviously, we don't know the extent of his injuries, but he is right now undergoing surgery at harbor ucla medical center. as someone who has meant a lot to the sport and to his fans and someone who has struggled publicly with all sorts of family issues and injuries and if you could just talk a little bit about why this is such a big deal. >> well, nicolle, there's a very short list and there's michael jordan, lebron james, serena williams, tiger woods. call it mount rushmore but the number of living athletes who truly transcend the sport they played and have a place of global cultural prominence well beyond what happened on the greens. tiger woods is an institution unto himself. there's golf and then there's
tiger woods. when tiger woods plays in a tournament, the ratings spike. when tiger woods is there in the last round wearing that red shirt of his, that ubiquitous iconic red shirt, the ratings spike. tiger woods is tiger woods and that's why everybody is so wrapped in attention today and i just have to say, i heard about this news the same way i heard about the death of kobe bryant, getting a call from msnbc asking if i could jump on the phone and just this feeling of dread came over me, this total memory of what it's like to lose someone. so i'm really hanging my hat on the news that it's moderate to critical. that's much better than hearing critical and also on the fact that we're not hearing about head trauma and we're not hearing about damage to his back. i mean, tiger woods' back is just notoriously an absolute wreck. he was just asked on cbs if he was going to play in the upcoming masters tournament. tiger woods is the masters in so many respects and tiger couldn't even commit to the masters.
he said i've only got one back, so i need to see how it goes. those are the thoughts right now and just obviously, hoping and praying for the best for tiger and his family. >> i think you said out loud but a lot of people who have the privilege obviously of bringing any of these stories to our viewers but the dread of talking about someone who means so much to a sport and the country. his injuries are to his legs as far as we know and hope to have some sort of medical update this afternoon while we're on the air. but why do you think, dave, people rooted for that comeback? i mean, he went through a very dark personal and physical and wasn't playing great golf around 2008/2009 by his standards. can you talk about what the comeback in 2019 meant to the sport and meant to tiger woods? >> yeah, i think there's something about this country where we do love to tear our
super stars down but then we also love to root for them when they make their comeback. this is a country of comebacks. particularly in the world of sports. and people wanted that for tiger woods, precisely because we've been following him for four decades. tiger woods was on the mike douglas show. how many of your viewers even know what that is? >> take us back. >> it was a talk show in the '70s that had nothing to do with the actor michael douglas. just a guy named mike douglas who had a family-friendly talk show and one day, out came what, four or five, six years old tiger woods to hit putts with bob hope. bob hope. another person who passed away years ago. so that's tiger woods' connection to the culture. playing with bob hope on the mike douglas show and watching him become the greatest amateur
golfer ever at stanford and then becomes the youngest masters winner ever and in the process, turning the masters into this coming out party of this incredible golfer who happens to also be a black golfer, a person of color and when you consider that the masters did not allow a black participant until 1975 to play in the tournament, '75. remember, that made what tiger woods did all the more iconic. so this is somebody who we feel like not only we've grown up with but feel like we've seen a huge cultural change in this country club world of golf not just spearheaded by tiger woods but remade by tiger woods. that's why people want to see the comeback because he was brought down so low and we want to believe in tiger. because of all he was and all we thought he still could be. >> i think you're right.
lebron, michael jordan, tiger woods and serena. i think like so many, and you're right, we like to push our super stars and our sports and cultural icons and some of what that pushing revealed was a very complicated relationship with his father. the new hbo documentary explores some of that. can you share some of that with our viewers? >> absolutely. tiger's father, earl woods, made clear when he was young he believed his son would be more than just the greatest golfer who ever lived. he saw that as a given but compared to somebody like gandhi and said like gandhi, he's going to bring people together from around the world, like gandhi, he's going to be this larger than life political figure. that's a heck of a weight to put on somebody. it's particularly a weight to put on somebody so young and it's also a weight to put on somebody who really was all
about golf. so he's got this tunnel vision which you have to have if you're going to be the greatest golfer to ever walk the earth, and then you put on top of that, he's supposed to have this explicit social import where he brings together warring nations and being this emissary of peace and that was always, i think, more than tiger woods wanted for himself. but that pressure of expectation from his father is something that, i mean, certainly is something that has been difficult for him to manage over the course of his life. >> dave, if you could stay with us for our coverage of this breaking news of the crash early this morning. 7:00 a.m., west coast time. single vehicle accident. we're looking at the wreckage there. tiger woods was the only passenger in that vehicle. he was removed by the jaws of life. he's undergoing surgery and has sustained leg injuries according to his agent who has confirmed that fact for nbc news. i want to add to our conversation, our friend mike,
new york daily news columnist and best selling author. mike, just jump in on this. i was thinking tiger woods has also been a business, a brand the world over and i heard eamon talk about being abroad and there was tiger mania everywhere. i met him, i don't know, 20 years ago when the nike i am tiger woods ad campaign was out and i uttered it under my breath. i worked for jeb bush, his 25-year-old press secretary, shot me a nasty look but that was not just an ad to some nike sports gear. it was an iconic moment and i think as dave has been saying, tiger woods is so much more than his sport, whether that's a role he's always worn comfortably or not. >> i don't think anybody thought that anybody could be a bigger star in this country than michael was, and then literally, as michael was leaving the stage, tiger was coming on the
stage and he wasn't just going to pass jack nicklaus' majors but 25 and then won an open 20 years ago, torrey pines, it looked like he would and i was struck today, this man has had bad luck in automobiles. the star crossed part of his career began on thanksgiving night in 2009 at the bottom of his driveway. he ended up outside his suv and his wife chased him down, driver with the golf club and then picked up in 2017 in jupiter and i keep looking at these pictures and i am struck by the fact that we should all be lucky to know that he's still alive. because you look at that car and nicolle, it's ironic that 71 years ago, this month, ben hogan was in a car that got hit by a greyhound bus and was given the
last rite to the catholic church and nearly died, came back to have the greatest second act of his career. so tiger woods had an amazing fall from grace. at the masters two years ago, he was big as he'd ever been. he was once again the biggest star in american sports. bigger than tom brady or serena or anybody. and to see this happen today, a year out and a lot of elements into this narrative. >> not just bad luck in cars but some of the things he's struggled with have caught up with him. >> i'm looking at the car as i've been saying to people that have been calling me this afternoon. i want to know a lot more about,
first of all, his physical condition. i'm hopeful that as we've been talking about today, it's just leg injuries. ben hogan's left side of his body was collapsed and he nearly died and could only play seven tournaments a year after that when he got well enough to play. so yes, again, when you think back on modern sports, nobody in our lifetime was bigger than tiger was and that's why the fall he had was so tremendous. and that's why people embrace that moment at the masters. not only sunk the last putt but went over and hugged his son and life had come full circle when hugged by his father when he won his first masters. it's extraordinary how he has dominated the culture of sports in this country as colorfully as
he has for as long as he has and now in a way that just seems awful right mow. >> we're going to look for that video. when you were a golf fan hanging on to every moment of coverage or just a news viewer, tiger woods winning the masters in 2019 and as you said, hugging his son afterward, was something i think everyone saw. "the new york times" just did incredible reporting about his son and obviously, growing up as the children of celebrities comes with its own bucket of challenges that probably no one understands except other children of celebrities, but this is about his son, charlie, as a golfer. let me read some of this from "the new york times." from december 20th. as he does with his golf bag,
tiger neatly arranges his life into tidy compartments. golf in one slot, family in another and like his chunky peanut butter banana sandwiches, another. teaming up with his 11-year-old son charlie at the pnc championship, the results were perhaps predictably distinct. charlie had a blast and woods was a nervous wreck. by breathless television announcers finished seventh. 25 strokes under the winning team with justin thomas and his father, but as far as tiger woods was concerned, this was one event where success was all about the details. not the digits. tiger woods as a father is something to his credit, he's kept pretty private but it's been noted by much better experts than me that his son has quite a swing.
>> oh, god, yeah. i played golf since i was charlie's age and i wish i had his swing. it's beautiful watching this man with golf but beautiful watching him with his father. and tiger seemed to have achieved a level of happiness that he didn't have when he was the best golfer in the world. sometimes seemed like the only time he was really happy was when he was hitting golf balls and now he's been in a good relationship. he's got wonderful relationship with this little boy and with his daughter. he had achieved a good place in his life even though his body continued to break down. it's been extraordinary watching how many surgeries he's had before today in a non-contact sport. his knees are bad. his back is bad. i don't think he was going to play the masters but nobody thought he would get to that 15th major and he did. and the world embraced him the
way he embraced his son. and it was one of the greatest sports stories i've ever seen. and now, this is a dark flip side of that. and again, i hope that none of these injuries are life-threatening. i hope that somehow, he can defy the odds and expectations and all laws of logic and come back again, but mostly, i just, you know, when you look at that car, you just want him to get better. >> you want him to get better and we've been talking about his son. he has a 13-year-old daughter. we're covering him because of what he means to the sport. what he's meant to all of his fans. he obviously means something on a totally different scale to his kids and his family. dave, it's just a good note for all of us to be mindful of on a day like today. >> no, absolutely. and that's why i think all of us are straining to not take part in conjecture even though in our
business, it's like asking a fish to be restrained when going into the water but this is where we are. but i think restraint is important because there's so much that we don't know. and it did seem so much like tiger had taken a turn for the better in all aspects of his life and that's what we wanted for tiger so much. we wanted this story to have a happy ending and the symbiosis of earl woods putting pressure on tiger and when he's young, he seems to have fun when he wins but other than that, it's tense and to see his son love golf and tiger be the nervous one, it's to see a story we thought came full circle where you see the joy of sport actually wins and brings his father and son close together and of course, now, we're dealing with tragedy. so we hope and pray that there's another act to tiger woods'
life, whether it's on the golf course or not. >> let me give our viewers an update of what we know. at 6:00 p.m., there will be a briefing from the los angeles sheriff's department. we are still waiting for any news from the hospital. i'm not aware that they've offered updates and as gadi schwartz reported at the top of the hour, all that we know is what we've learned from tiger woods' agent who confirmed leg injuries and that tiger woods is in surgery. dave, i understand you are leaving us. thank you so much for joining us and being part of this special coverage. if you learn anything, come back and spend more time with us, my friend. >> will do. thank you. >> mike, i want to come back to you on this idea of how we sort of unite around these moments and hoping for tiger woods the father and tiger woods the
comeback story, this all ends happily. >> yeah, i mean, nicolle, we all remember, again, and i'm not comparing the death of kobe bryant and his daughter to people in the helicopter but we all remember where we are when we find out about stuff like that. i remember getting a call from my son the sunday afternoon. dad, bad stuff out there right now about kobe bryant and the same thing happened to tiger and then you hear there's been an accident and then you hear jaws of life. and then when you see these pictures, and know that for now, all we hear about is leg injuries, he might be really, really, really lucky to have gone away from that crash and have only multiple injuries to his legs. and again, this was not the second act of tiger woods public life.
starting 12 years ago. if somebody told you when he won his 14th major that it would be more than a decade before another one, you would drug test him. he's tiger woods. there's the super human quality to him. and i think we ought to include tom brady in this conversation as well and through it all, serena williams kept standing head and shoulders above her sport and winning 23 single major championships. we have been incredibly lucky in our time, just in the last 25 years in american sports to have stars of this magnitude to captivate us the way we have and then tiger captivated us in another way. in all those years, i never thought he was going to win
another major. do you think he can win another major? i said, i don't think so and now in middle 40s and there he is that day on the masters. i was out walking with my wife that day and somebody came running out of the house. the sports fan who just needed somebody to talk about what he had just seen at augusta. and so again, it's, the ebb and flow and twists and turns. seemed like his life was going in the right direction until, you know, you look at these pictures and see this horrible and what could have been tragic wrong turn. >> mike, we're going to ask you to stay with us for our special coverage. we're going to sneak in a quick break. we're staying on this story as we wait for a press conference at 6:00 p.m. tiger woods is, as far as we know, still being treated and we'll bring you that 6:00 p.m. press conference from the los
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everybody wants to know how you're feeling, what you're doing since you've come off your fifth back operation. feeling all right? >> i'm feeling fine. a little bit stiff. have one more mri scheduled. so we'll see if it's scarred over and then finally do more activities, but still in the gym. still doing the mundane stuff that you have to do for rehab.
the little things before you can gravitate towards something a little more. >> we are back. we're covering the breaking news that golf super star tiger woods was injured in a car crash around 7:00 a.m. california time. in los angeles. he is at the hospital now undergoing leg injuries. joining our coverage is sports writer and author kadifa. this is an odd news cycle, if i can be blunt. tiger woods is undergoing surgery, survive this had crash but i think all of our thoughts are on tiger woods' recovery, obviously, the father, the relationship with his son, captured, i think, in full public view in 2019 at the masters. but you know this story. you've written about it. what are your thoughts today?
>> i mean, i think my first and foremost thoughts when we didn't have too many details was just for his health, that the injuries weren't life-threatening and we do now know from the l.a. county sheriff's department they are not life-threatening. and so once you think about the relief from that, you think about the impact he's had on the sport and the hope that he will continue to play the sport he has given so much to, that he's given so much to the people that watched it. and then of course, you think about his family who have seen him go through something like this before. not to this gravity, obviously, but a lot of thoughts going around and you see how the golf world is responding immediately and obviously, not a ton of details out, but there's just immediate concern and i think a lot of people's heads are spinning right now. >> tiger woods' body and tiger woods' battle with injuries has been a big a part of the tiger
woods story as anything. can you talk about what he's been through physically in pushing his body to do what he's wanted to do in the sport? >> sure. i mean, at once, it's kind of super human what he has been through and what he's overcome to win as much as he has and to maintain the longevity that he has. the back has been keeping him out of high level competition and then came back and won the masters a couple of years ago and it was this incredible moment. he was actually just set to get an mri today and there were questions about, well, when will he be fully recovered and to return and he was being a little bit coy about that. he also had earlier in his career, long issue with his left
knee. multiple acl issues, damaged cartilage, achilles. you don't know the surgeries he's having right now someone his age whose body has been so much, you wonder what recovery from these surgeries will look like. >> another guest has invoked these athletes that sustain greatness. i think his win last year in 2019 came 22 years after his first and 14 years after his last, but the body and pushing, you used the word super human, i think that's right but as much coverage of tom brady's diet as there is of his game and this idea of tiger woods pushing his body has always kind of intersected with the sports story, hasn't it? >> absolutely. i mean, you think about tiger bringing kind of this athletic revolution to golf.
golf was really never known as a sport and butt of the jokes for being a sport of true athletes and he ramped up training regimens. he brought conditioning to the sport. he's the reason that you have this new generation of golfers who really care about taking care of their bodies and who care about hitting the gym and improving their swing and their drive. he brought power to golf and with that, he brought excitement to it. but that also means his body went through so much more. he put his body through so much of a toll because of the sheer way he plays the sport than players who came before him and that obviously had an impact on longevity and his injury history and yet, and yet what he's been able to do and you mentioned some of the other athletes, tom brady, serena williams, he's obviously right at the top of that pantheon. we're quite lucky to have seen him for decades playing in the
sport. >> cavitha, also looked different. when he brought people over to the sport and turned them into the people who might consider on a couch and watching golf tournament, in part because he didn't look like, to be blunt, the old white guys that people were used to seeing, not old but old and young white guys playing the sport. he definitely changed what people think of when they think of the greatest golfer in the world. >> he absolutely did and he did that while facing his own brand of racism, facing questions about his own racial identity as a mixed race black and asian man, and he did that for a sport that is so expensive to play and exclusionary. think about golf courses and who's thought of being allowed to play golf and here you have this person who came in that didn't look like anybody else and dominated it.
and changed the way it was played and expanded really who saw themselves as golf fans and as potentially golfers themselves. now you have this swath of people who grew up watching tiger, who might not know that there was a world in which people who looked like tiger were never allowed in this sport. that's one of the biggest contributions to this world, frankly. >> we're grateful that you had time to spend with us and join our special coverage. thank you so much. we'll continue to watch this story for any updates. also waiting for the press conference on the accident itself and an update from the hospital. after the break for us though, turning back to the day's news out of washington. a hearing into the investigation into the january 6th capitol insurrection. new allegations today that donald trump's pentagon slow-walked the deployment of the national guard. that story is next. deployment o the national guard that story is next
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unprecedented. that the intelligence they reviewed dramatically underestimated the violent uprising that would come to unfold and that none of them ever saw a report from the fbi field office in virginia the night of january 5th warning of war at the capitol. but there was some conflict. over the timing of that request for approval to bring in the national guard to help and finger pointing among the witnesses over the delay and raising even more questions was this account from robert conte about the pleas from officials to the pentagon to back up for national guard troops and his shock at the resistance they faced. >> chief was pleading for the deployment of the national guard and in response to that, there was not an immediate yes. the national guard is responding, yes, the national guard is on the way, yes, the national guard are being restaged from traffic posts to respond. the response was more asking about the plan that, what was
the plan for the national guard. the response was more focused on, in addition to the plan, the optics about how this looks with boot on the ground on the capitol and my response to that was simply, i was just stunned that i have officers who were out there literally fighting for their lives and we're kind of going through what seemed like an exercise to really check the boxes and it was not an immediate response. >> let's bring into our conversation, elizabeth newman, former assistant secretary of counterterrorism and threat prevention at the department of homeland security. and then correspondent garrett haake is back and then author of
"a very stable genius." what unfurled today seemed to be that model almost going down at the capitol. >> you're absolutely right, nicolle and i found the hearing fascinating for so many reasons but one of them is the subtext, the president was encouraging people to go to the capitol minutes before they basically breached every perimeter that capitol police chief sund has arranged. remember the moment that perimeter was breached, the outer set of bike rack, that is the moment when the chief monitoring this from his command center calls the sergeant at arms, his boss at the capitol police and says, we need to make an emergency declaration. there was a debate today about whether or not his boss remembers him making that call. there's also a debate that was
revealed today where or i should say revealed in more detail because we've written about it before where the metropolitan police chief and the capitol police chief are literally seeing their quote unquote guys get slammed, their police officers fighting for their lives and they're having an almost academic discussion with their counterparts at the pentagon about whether or not it's appropriate to send the national guard in to help. as chief conte said it so well, this guy is pleading for the national guard and he's not getting a yes. >> and to carol's point, garrett, they're fretting about pr and optics when law enforcement officials were fighting for their lives. >> yeah, and one of the takeaways from senators after this hearing is that the entire stretcher under which the capitol police is commanded may
have to change after this. there may need to be a better way so in a crisis, the steps that need to be taken can quickly be taken and the other thing we learned today was that in the lead-up to this, there really was a failure of imagination on the part of the capitol police and on the sergeants at arms who essentially command or oversee them, to be prepared for this kind of attack, this kind of infiltration of the u.s. capitol. several senators asked questions about, are there drills? are there specific training for what to do when large non-compliant groups like this get into the building and we're told this isn't exactly the kind of thing they drill for. it's not the kind of thing they plan for. it's not a mechanism by which to keep a quick reaction force elsewhere in dc to be prepared for this. so all the kind of immediate tactical failures about why this intel didn't get to the people who needed it, what happened on that day in terms of phone calls made or delays that happened,
are also pared with this lack of larger scale, almost strategic preparation for the kind of attacks and kind of danger that the capitol was under that day and may presumably be under again someday. >> elizabeth newman, the elephant in the room for me was that these were donald trump's supporters. trump's supporters. these were donald trump's guests in washington. me was that these weror in washington, because donald trump invited them there. marching on the capitol because donald trump told themhi to. and sold it seems like some of this concern about optics was about how to treat donald trump'sw guests in washington o he ordered to the capitol. >> there's no doubt that the fbi, dhs in particular, who have that duty to warn function that they did not exercise in the run-up to january 6xeth and we n come back to that fbi bulletin in a second, but fbi dhs did not do what they normally do in the lead-up to any type of event, even if you just thought it was going to be a, you know, a peaceful or a rambunctious protest.
they stillmb didn't do the norm things that they usually do to describe how they assess that gathering, and the only reason that i can find in talking to former colleagues is that you have an organizations that have just been so beaten down over and over and over again to not do anything to upset the president, and it's just so on its face obviousju that if they had issued aio bulletin that the might be bad threat actors in this crowd coming for a president's rally that he would be upset about that and everybody was just hunkering down, trying to make it through to january 20th when i they get new president, and in the process of that hunkering down, and i want to be clear, like, the men andi women of fbi and dhs, they've endured a lot, so it's not -- l it's not their fault. it's the president -- the former president's fault that he has so beat downfa these organizations that they could not function properly and issue that duty to
warn, which would have, it sounds like, at least raised the attention level of those on capitol hill to perhaps have taken better action. >> senator amy klobuchar got all the witnesses on the record on a couple of important points and because we've been covering the car accident involving tiger woods, i'm not sure that folks have seen all this, so i want to play some of senator klobuchar's questioning. this was on the topic of white supremacists. >> i want to start out just to clearus up one thing by just asking all of our witnesses a yes/no question. based on what we know now, including the recent department of justice indictments, do you agree that there is now clear evidence that supports the conclusion that the january 6th insurrection was planned and it was p a coordinated attack on t u.s. capitol? just say -- anyone agree? >> yes. >> yes. >> okay. would you agree that this attack involved white supremacists and
extremist groups? >> yes. >> i want to play one more. this is senator klobuchar getting all of her witnesses on the record about the question of intel and communicating the intel that was available. let's watch. >> i actually just in the last 24 hours was informed by the department that they actually had received that report. it was received byed what we call -- it's one of our sworn members that's assigned to the joint terrorism task force, which is a task force with the fbi. they received it the evening of the 5th, reviewed it, and then forwarded it to an official at the intelligence division over at u.s. capitol police headquarters. >> so you hadn't seen itto yourself? >> no, hama'am, it did not go a further than that. >> anokay, and then was it sento the house and senate sergeant-at-arms? >> i don't believe it went any farther than from the -- over to the sergeant at the intelligence division. >> okay and mr. irving, mr. stanger, did you get that report?
beforehand? mr. stanger, did you get the report? >> no. >> okay. mr. irving? >> i did not. >> so, carol len ig, that one's so important because here we art again, a failure to connect the dots. the intel existed. it was knowable, what donald trump has invited his supporters to do and it was knowable what the extremists who were among that crowd had planned to do. the fbi office, as you and your colleagues have reported in norfolk, reported that they knew, the fbi office there, that they planned for war. can youth just talk about the importance of establishing some of these breakdowns in communication?an >> you know, i think this is indeed one of the most important questions that arise -- arose today, and arose immediately after january 6th. and it echos something elizabeth said at the beginning,
speculation about d.o.j. and dhs, these two entities sort of beaten down by the president, you know, it's speculative and yet there's evidence to support it. but the key thing about this intelligence, nicole, is there were numerous warnings. it wasn't just the fbi. the capitol police's own intelligence unit warned about people being instructed to bring, basically, the weapons of war, to gather up gas masks, to gather pipes, to bring guns, that they knew there was chatter aboutre attacking the capitol, that there was outrage and that there was desperation among donald trump's supporters, egged on by the president, to take this moment and this was their last ditch chance to stop the electoral confirmation and ultimately stop president biden from being inaugurated. that was described on january
3rd to the capitol police chief, and he knew that that chatter was happening.chie the fbi knew that chatter was happening. what chief sund says is basically, i'd heard that chatter before in the two previous pro-trump rallies. this time, there was the intimation that there would be a lot more hapeople, but there wa no evidence of a coordinated attack. i sort of can see both sides here. the fbi sent this to their joint task force members. they did not waive any paperwork in front of anybody. they did not have the intelligence assessment meeting that elizabeth's referring to where they warned people, here's an event, here's what we're worried about. they didn't do any of that. no flag waving. so this was different on its face. the capitol police intel unit also was warning chief sund, but they also had chatter. they didn't haveth evidence of
coordinated attack. the fbi does that. d so, i think what's important -- what's problematic about both of this is they were warned, but they didn't feel like it had evidence behind it. they were warned, and the fbi did notan jump and scream. i mean, they didn't brief their own deputy director and director about this intelligence, so how important was it to them? >> and it's so important as the country enters into these sort of twin desires to move on from the trump era but to make sure that an insurrection -- this wasn't just white supremacy. this was anti-government. this wasac an attack on the country, on the seat of government. it's why that commission isn s important to understanding most of what we've just learned from folks like the three of you.os elizabeth neumann, garrett ar haake, carol leonnig, thank you so much for sticking around and being part of our m coverage on this today. when we come rtback, we'll have the very latest on tiger woods's condition, a live report from the hospital where he is
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hi there, everyone, it's 5:00 in new york. we begin the hour with an update on the breaking news we've been covering throughout the afternoon. golf superstar tiger woods injured in a one-car accident today. rescue crews used the jaws of life to get him out of his wrecked vehicle. he was taken to the hospital, where his agent says he is in surgery after suffering multiple leg injuries. the los angeles county sheriff's department will hold a news conference exactly one hour from now. we'll bring that to you when it begins. let's bring into our conversation, nbc's steve patterson, live outside harbor ucla medical center where tiger woods was taken after the accident. it was noted earlier in the broadcast that it's not even known whether he went by
helicopter or was driven by ambulance. can you clear that up for us? >> reporter: we can at this time. i have to unfortunately echo what they told you at the beginning of the last hour, all the information that we have has either come from the l.a. county sheriff's department, who have confirmed that there was a crash, confirmed one occupant, the sole occupant, tiger woods, that he was removed by hydraulics, by that jaws of life mechanism from the crash, so serious enough to confirm that and from his agent, who confirmed, again, that this was tiger woods involved in the crash, that he sustained those serious injuries to his legs, and that he was taken to the hospital behind me and was at least in the last hour or so undergoing surgery. we don't know the mechanism by which he was taken to the hospital. this hospital, about 20, 25 minutes away from the scene of that crash to the north. if it was by helicopter, obviously, that would have cut down significantly on travel time. likely, would have gotten here in a quick way regardless, but
you have to remember, ask any angeleno or anyone in l.a. county, traffic is always a factor to some degree here in the los angeles area. hospital officials again not confirming any of the details that we have either already learned or adding additional details on to what we already know. i can tell you the scene at the hospital, very reminiscent of about a year ago when kobe bryant was involved in that fateful helicopter crash. we've seen some onlookers come to this area, seen people bringing flowers. traffic had slowed to a crawl, everybody sort of holding their breath here at the hospital. by process of elimination, i can say we have not heard anything about life-threatening injuries, we have not heard anything about injuries that were sustained to any other parts of tiger woods's body, only the legs. obviously, the back, a serious concern for tiger woods's friends, family, the medical community, the golfing community, obviously, doctors that are working here after he's had repeated surgeries on his back, was already recovering
from the latest surgery, so that obviously an area of concern, have not heard anything more about injuries sustained to the rest of his body. in the meantime, hospital officials here remaining quiet, respecting his patient privacy, and likely still engaged in that surgery that we heard he was involved in after the crash. nicole? >> steve, as you're reporting, we have a live image up on the screen where they are removing the vehicle tiger woods was driving when he crashed earlier this morning. to your point about the injuries and what we know, there's an interview that he did sunday night where he was talking about the pt and he describes the exercises as mundane, that he's still doing to rehab his back from the last surgery. so, obviously, tiger woods's body and the injuries that he suffered just in his sport has always been a big part of the tiger woods story. >> reporter: it's the biggest
source of concern, i would say, right now for everybody that is holding his or her breath. he was talking and giving interviews about maybe not even appearing in the masters, which is just a few months away, so obviously, you know, everything that his body has gone through over the course of his career, which has been enormous, seeing the severity of that car wreck, seeing the severity of the damage to that suv off the side of the road looks like a distance away so there may have been a high rate of speed. we can't confirm whether or not speed was a factor, another car, the traffic flow, the s-curl patterns that are in that area that seem to give drivers some consternation as they're traveling through that area. can't confirm if any of that played a role in the crash, but obviously, tiger woods's body alone, just seeing the car, is enough to be concerned about what's happening in the hospital behind me now. but we just simply don't have any word from hospital officials
yet, nicole. >> and to steve's point, we can see from the vehicle, the airbags all deployed and that is a live image as they clear the vehicle away from the site where it finally landed in that crash around 7:00 a.m. today. steve patterson, live for us at harbor-ucla medical center. thank you, my friend, for spending time with us. please come right back if you learn anything. we'll be happy to see you. let's bring into our conversation, jimmy roberts of nbc sports. we have sort of toggled back and forth between the very little that we know about this accident and the very big place that tiger woods has occupied in this country not just around golf and sports but in american life and american culture, and i wonder what your thoughts are as we toggle between those two. >> well, nicole, when this all started to happen, and i thought about this a number of times, i've been covering tiger since he first turned professional, actually, since he was an amateur back in the '90s, and i have thought that he occupies a
unique place. you know, i think he's kind of like the beatles. the sun doesn't rise on a day when tiger woods doesn't leave his house and every single human being that he encounters wants something from him. a smile, a handshake, an autograph, a picture, something. and i have covered sports for a long time, and i think that the only other athlete that i can think of who occupied that station in our culture was muhammad ali, and there are a lot of reasons for it, but it's the reason why people are gathered outside the hospital. it's the reason why it's on every screen everywhere right now, despite the fact that we don't really know very much. he, for a number of reasons, is just an extraordinary person. obviously, an extraordinary athlete but because of his ethnicity and what he was able to do at a certain time, i think it has amplified that even more
in the world of golf, he is, you know, considered by some to be the greatest golfer of all time by many, if not the greatest, then the second greatest to jack nicklaus. there's kind of a cruel irony, though. right now, tiger woods has 82 pga tour wins, and that ties him with sam snead for the most of all time. and i think most people would have thought that if he couldn't have tied or beaten jack nicklaus's record for major championships, that the one thing that he probably could have done was gotten at least one more win and become the winningest pga tour golfer of all time. we don't know the extent of these injuries right now, but if for some reason that these injuries are serious enough to forestall his ability to play golf again any time soon, he is 45 years old, steve mentioned it a moment ago, he's had a number of surgeries. it would be a cruel consequence at this point in his life. >> we've talked a lot about that
when -- and at the masters in 2019, and the larger story for any consumer of comeback stories was just that. but what did it mean to the sport, that tiger was back on top in 2019? >> tiger's tiger. you know, there's never really been anyone like him. you know, i go back to the first event that i worked for nbc sports. it was the 2000 u.s. open at pebble beach. tiger won that championship by 15 strokes. he was the only player under par. everything he has done or not everything he has done, but so many of the things that he has done over time have been just awe-inspiring, and you know, people, they tend to -- to gawk, and i understand it. as somebody who plays the game myself, as somebody who's covered sports for 30-something
years, you know, you look at excellence and you admire it. he's haley's comet. he comes once in a generation. we may never see somebody who plays this game like tiger woods again, regardless of how much he has won. you know, a lot will be made over the number of tournaments that he won, you know, the margins as i just mentioned, but the statistics that -- excuse me, the statistic that i go back to and the one that i think is the most impressive, tiger woods went, i think, a stretch of seven years without missing a cut. now, what that means is that for those of your viewers who are not familiar with the game of golf, on the pga tour, and at the championship level, you play two rounds of golf, and you know, if you qualify and your score is good enough, you go on to play the weekend. tiger woods went seven years without missing playing on the weekend. it's inconceivable. so, to watch him play. and by the way, i think that he ruined people, our current
generation of golf fans, because what he did was he taught people that this was normal. what he did was by no means normal. the amount of -- the amount that he won, the way he did it, the highlights he provided. he, as i said, he was just haley's comet and a remarkable athlete to cover and watch. >> you mentioned something that i want to push a little bit on. that everywhere he went, he was pursued by people that most instances i'm sure admired him and wanted to just be near him or wanted something from him, i think, is how you described it. what role did that play in what, by his own admission, was a rather dark chapter for him, 2008, 2009, when his marriage ended and he struggled with injuries then and had that car accident then? >> you know, i'm not sure. but i can say this. having known tiger for, what is it now, 25 years, i can honestly say that i have known athletes who have been an awful lot more
comfortable with the scrutiny, and i just don't think that it was ever natural for him. you know, there's a very, very famous article that was written by my colleague, jaime diaz, for "golf digest," and it may have been one of the first national articles written about him, and tiger said, to his father, in response to one of jaime's questions, he said, why do they need to know all of this about me? so, i think that from a very, very young age, he was, if not resistant, i think he was uncomfortable with this level of scrutiny. and i don't know. he's a very private person, has been for a long, long time. and he's had a lot of dramatic episodes in his life, both celebrated and, you know, don't fool yourself. for all the people out there who love tiger woods, there are just as many people who are not fans
of his, and it reminds me of something that howard cosell, who i used to work for, once said. he said, half the people love me and half the people hate me but all of the people watch me and i think to a certain degree, there was something to that with tiger woods. >> jimmy, can you see this image on your screen? they are lifting up the vehicle that tiger woods was in and thank god we are waiting news about surgery for what we know to be injuries to his legs. and the airbags all went off. that car is just obliterated, destroyed. >> yeah. yeah. we've been on the air since the news first broke this afternoon, nicole, on golf channel, and i will say that two things that stood out to me, number one, how far from the road the vehicle is. and by my measure, it's got to be, i don't know, 30 feet. and you have to think to yourself, what kind of episode is it that's going to take a car that rolls over 30 feet from the
road and the other thing, and you can see it quite clearly here, look at the front of that vehicle. you know, we are one of the first rules that we are always taught, you know, as journalists is do not speculate. but you can't help to use your imagion and wonder with an impact that was to cause something like what you're seeing right there, what must it have done? we have, by the way, been reporting here on golf channel a kcbs report locally that the injuries are not life threatening. >> and that is the best news that we have so far in a day that is, as you and everyone who's reported, very few details. i want to ask you, you talked about his father, and that's so powerful, him asking his father, who obviously had a hand in every aspect of his career, not the least of which the branding and the public relations, people outside the sport don't know as
much as people who were there on the golf courses with them. can you describe that relationship? >> well, you know, tiger was a prodigy. he was mozart. he was sitting in a highchair and watching his father, who was a decorated vietnam green beret, who loved the game of golf, he watched him play, and you know, there's famous video, i'm sure we'll see it over the next couple days, of tiger woods hitting golf balls, i think at the age of two, maybe three, in front of bob hope and merv griffin on "that's incredible," the old television show. so from the youngest age you can imagine, tiger was groomed to do this, an extraordinary talent. but you know, this was what his father had always groomed him to do, and you know, he was there every step of the way with him. they had an interesting relationship. earl passed away several years ago, i believe it was 2006.
but they were as close as two people could be, and there were more than a few people who noted that when tiger won the masters in 2019, he came off the golf course and gave a big hug to his son, and when he won his first masters back in 1997, he came off the golf course and gave a big hug to his father. so, you know, his story, his family is interwoven into it as it is for so many of us, just for so many of us, we don't live with the scrutiny that he has lived with. >> we have had that image up throughout our coverage, and it is so remarkable and we've talked about some reporting in "the new york times" about him playing a round of golf in a tournament with his son, and all i know, all i've gleaned from the reporting is that his son has a beautiful swing. does his son have interest in competing or is that not known at this point? >> well, here's what we do know,
nicole. we actually just broadcast an event on nbc sports in december that we've been doing for many, many years. it was once known as the father-son challenge. now it's just the pnc challenge. it's a family event. and tiger played. there's a picture of him playing with his son, charlie, for the first time, and his son, charlie, just showed some remarkable skill, just absolutely remarkable skill. tiger did not make charlie available to talk to the media. >> smart. >> you know, he's -- yeah, exactly. he keeps him at arm's length from us. he knows us all too well. but you know, we do know this. we do know that his son loves the game and his son is very, very skilled at the game and from everything that we have been able to see, tiger has a wonderful relationship with his kids. he's got a daughter also, sam. his son, charlie, and it's a lot of fun to watch, to look at tiger in kind of a different role, all these years later. >> you've been so generous with your time.
i just have one more question. what is this like for you? what do you feel watching this great, great, great iconic athlete injured? >> sad. sad. you know, just very, very sad. i mean, i think that, you know, forget about the fact that he's a great athlete. forget about the fact that he's a celebrity. he's a human being, and he has struggled with some things in his life over the last, you know, decade plus, and you'd have to be heartless to not have some sympathy for somebody who's struggling with things in their life. he's had a number of episodes with automobiles, and i -- it just makes me sad, you know? regardless of my personal relationship with him, which, by the way, over time, has been both good and bad, so i don't have any dog in the fight here, but you know, other than being a human being and just hating to see this happen to anybody. >> perfectly put. >> jim: >> jimmy roberts, thank you so much for spending time with us.
i really appreciate it. >> my pleasure, nicole. the los angeles sheriff's department will be holding a news conference at the top of this hour. joining us now on this breaking part of the story is nbc's gadi schwartz. what do you know? >> hi, nicole, we've gotten some reassuring reports that have been coming out right now when it comes to tiger woods's possible condition. so, a couple of things. we just heard from a fire captain on nbc news now who said that the jaws of life were not needed, that the first responders that got on the scene, they thought about it but they used hand tools and they used some axes to get through that windshield and were able to pull him out that way. the other thing that it sounds like this fire captain said was that it appears as though tiger woods may have been assisted in standing up, which gives you a bit of reassurance when it comes to how critical those injuries are. right now, we do know that he has been undergoing surgery. he's been undergoing surgery for
injuries to his legs, and as you've seen from the damage on that car, it's pretty extensive, but again, we have now heard from ems and the fire crews that arrived that they may have just assisted him and that he may have been able to stand up. we've also heard that he was alert. he was able to talk to some of those first responders. so, in no way does this appear to have been a life-threatening situation. these are non-life-threatening injuries from all accounts that we have heard right now. so, it gives us a little bit of reassurance, but again, we are still waiting for specifics on the extent of his injuries. we should be getting those about an hour now from the los angeles county sheriff's department that's going to be briefing with the latest on the investigation, but right now, you see that vehicle, that suv with all of the passenger side airbags deployed as well as the driver side airbags deployed, now back on its wheels there on the road.
that is the southbound lane and that from what we know from this accident, he was traveling on the northbound lane across the median, appears to have hit a sign and then ended up facing the opposite direction, past the southbound lane, on an embankment, so right now, it's still unclear as to whether speed was a factor in this crash. we understand that on that particular road, 45 miles an hour is the posted speed limit. neighbors around there say that that's an area that starts going downhill and oftentimes people go well above 40, 45 miles an hour but it's not like these are extremely steep curves that you're seeing there. it was somewhat of a straightaway, so it's unclear what caused tiger woods to veer on to the oncoming lane and then veer into that embankment where that suv ended up on its side with the front end completely smashed in. but again, some reassuring reports from firefighters who
were first on scene, that tiger woods was responsive, he was able to talk to them, and he may have been able to stand on his own as he was assisted out of the car. so, fingers crossed that those injuries are minor, although we do know at this point that the injuries are severe enough to warrant emergency surgery and we should have some more information in the next hour or so, nicole. >> i was just going to ask you to just lay that new reporting over with what you shared with us at the beginning of the last hour, and it's 2:22. the accident reportedly took place in the 7:00 hour. that he stood and walked, had use of his leg? is that what you're reporting? >> we have not heard that he walked. and it was kind of muddled in terms of whether he stood on his own or he was assisted in standing, but you saw the images of that engine where it looked like it was just completely smashed in and as we see this suv that's been righted, you can
see the -- it looks like the hood is now down. the hood is completely up, and it showed how much damage there was to the engine. the least amount of damage, and again, the damage underneath that hood is extensive, but the least amount of damage appears to have been on the driver -- the left-hand side, so that's where, obviously, your legs go to reach the pedals and again, we're not sure exactly what the extent of these injuries are, but we could see that that was still somewhat relatively intact. however, most of the engine was completely smashed in, so as we see the suv back on its wheels there, we have a little bit more of a sense of how catastrophic the damage was on the front end and obviously almost nothing on the roof. now, this was a rollover. it's unclear as though -- whether this suv did an end over end or whether it just rolled
over on its side, but what we do know is that suv was facing one direction and when it came to its stop, it was facing the other direction, so whatever happened was an extremely violent crash, but again, the most reassuring news here is that the jaws of life were not used, and they -- the emergency responders were able to access him with hand tools and that he was responsive and talking to first responders when they arrived on scene, nicole. >> this is some really important new reporting that clarifies, i mean, we had been reporting all day that the jaws of life were used and some really good news that he was alert when first responders were there and that he was able to stand upright. so, that's the best news we've heard about his condition all day long. gadi, what do we expect at 6:00? >> we're expecting the latest from the investigators on the scene and you can see some of those sheriff's deputies that
are taking pictures there on the left side of the car on the passenger side of the car, so we're expecting to hear just preliminaries. you know, one of the biggest questions that's going to be asked is whether speed was involved, whether another vehicle was involved, what led him to veer from one lane across another, the southbound lanes and on to the embankment. we're going to hear whether witnesses may have seen what happened there. and we're going to hear whether he was leaving the golf course or possibly going to the golf course. so we should have some answers. the most important question right now is what is his condition. what is his condition at the hospital? we understand he's undergoing surgery. we've gotten limited information in terms of the extent of his injuries to his legs, but we're hoping to have a little bit more of that from sheriffs investigators in less than an hour here, nicole. >> nbc's gadi schwartz, thank you so much for all your reporting on the story.
we're grateful. jemele hill is here, a contributing writer to "the atlantic," the host of the podcast -- i'm sorry i screwed this up. cari and jemele stick to sports is the podcast. this is obviously a very different kind of story that we're calling on you for, but i just want to hear your thoughts about tiger woods. we just heard that he was alert, which is the best news we've heard about his condition but what are your thought today? >> first of all, no apology necessary. i realize i have a whole lot of titles. >> which is a good thing. >> it is, it is. i am, as the kids say, booked and busy, so no need to apologize. but you know, living here in los angeles, it's hard for me not to immediately go back to kobe bryant who obviously died from a helicopter crash, you know, just a year ago, what kicked off what was a year unlike most of us have experienced in this
country, and to then again be at the early part of 2021 and here you have another major transformative, transcendent sports figure in a major accident, it's just hard not to kind of look at it from that standpoint. as you pointed out, the good news is that we know tiger woods is alive. by all accounts, based off what sheriffs have shared, based off the reporting that has been done, is that he was conscious and it looks as if this will be something that he will recover from. but just from an overall standpoint, it's hard not to look at this as, like, wow, another year, starting it with a kick to the gut over someone who has meant lot to sports, a lot to golf, and certainly by their accomplishments and even by the ups and downs in their career has been able to inspire a lot of people in a multitude of ways. >> jemele, just listening to you talk, i had the exact same feeling, like, oh my god, 2021
is already turning out to be just as traumatizing as 2020 has been, but you know, and i'm thinking about why this matters so much. why these folks mean so much to us, kobe bryant and now tiger woods, and my dad used to say he'd read the sports section first to read about men and women's greatness and accomplishments and then turn to the front page to read about largely the politicians' failures. can you just talk -- you were so steeped in this moment in american political life, in sports, can you just speak to that, why we need our athletes so much? >> so, well, i think, you know, the beauty of sports is that if we think about our lives and just our society right now, we're living in a very divisive time. one of the few things that actually draws us together is sports. we may disagree about a lot of politics, a lot of legislation. unfortunately, we're still disagreeing about things as serious as racism in this country, but what we don't disagree on is that tiger woods is one of the greatest athletes of all time.
that we look at his 82 pga tour victories, his 5 masters and we all know what greatness looks like and there were so many sunday afternoons where people who didn't normally pay attention to golf at all would watch this man because they were expecting to see something extraordinary. and it is through his brilliance that it became kind of a binding tie that we were all able to watch his career journey. i remember just like it was yesterday when he won his first masters and became the youngest to win that tournament at just 21 years old. and maybe for tiger himself, he's -- there's much more of a link for me because tiger and i are the same age. we're nine days apart. we're both december babies, so i remember when i was a columnist, a sports columnist for the orlando sentinel and i turned 30, he and i turned 30 the same year and i wrote a column about tiger woods turning 30 and myself turning 30 and making that same journey. naturally, i've been turning 30 every year since but that's a story for another day. but nevertheless, i mean, he's
just one of these athletes that have been just so woven into our culture and that we have watched his journey from being a young child, a young prodigy, until now, and so of course, this is going to hit a lot of people much differently because of what he has meant to our lives and to society. he's been with many of us every step of the way. we've always been able to watch tiger woods in some fashion, always been able to see his journey out front and so any time something of such a serious nature happens to someone who has that connection to all of us, it just is a very stark reminder about just how fragile life really is. >> it's that feeling that in an instant, you know, in an instant, whatever happened in this accident, it clearly happened in an instant, and it is that universal reminder that an instant, everything can change. >> yeah, i mean, it is. everything -- our elders talk about this a lot.
how somewhere in life, they made the transition to going to parties to see people, to going to funerals, and this is why when we kind of cross over into that point where we're losing more people than we're gaining, it can just be very heavy and very heartbreaking. our heroes. >> jemele, futz with your audio. i think we lost you for a second. can you hear me still? >> yeah, i said, particularly -- yeah, i still have you. i said, this just can be very stark for us, particularly when you start losing your heroes. one by one, the people that you grew up watching, the people that you grew up idolizing, you start to lose them, and it becomes just a real moment in time, and very heavy. so, i definitely understand why so many people, even though it looks like tiger woods will be okay, are just reacting just so emotionally to this. >> you know, can you speak to
what tiger, with his drive and his excellence and his singular status, not just in this sport but in sports in general, what his body's been through. we played a clip of an interview he did just sunday night about he described the rehab as sort of mundane, the things he did as part of pt to recover from his most recent surgery but we've been talking for the last two hours about when you push your body to the limits, there is a story of injury and of rehab that is interwoven into all those triumphs. >> yeah, i mean, at one point in time, tiger woods was pretty invincible, and we used to, when i worked at espn, it was a regular topic whenever tiger woods was in a major tournament, we would have the question, tiger or the field? like, that's how good he was. and then once he started to go through many of the injuries and not just normal little ticky tack stuff that athletes recover from all the time, we're talking about major back surgery. tiger's had five back surgeries, and you know, one of those
surgeries that he had one my mother had and it took her years to recover and there was a point where he wondered, and he talked openly about this, about whether or not he would be able to pick up his own children. and he worried about how much longer he could play golf and when he was able to win the masters in 2019 after having not won it in 11 years, that was one of the most inspirational journeys that we have ever seen in sports, because a lot of athletes would never have survived, at least in terms of their playing career, i'm talking about, all those surgeries, all that rehab, you know, just physically, all those demands on his body and even the knee surgeries. his body has been through a lot, even though he's still, you know, pretty young and was known for a long time as being the golfer that kind of brought a fitness appeal to the sport because tiger woods was in great shape as a golfer. and he was in such great shape
and dominating so much that the other golfers began to change their training regimen based off what they saw tiger woods do so this is somebody who's used to getting the peak and maximum out of his body and for him to really have to take stock of what, you know, what his body was -- how it was betraying him, because he had his last back surgery as recently as december, i think it was just really kind of a moment for everybody to say, like, man, this -- what we're seeing is really special because of what he's had to overcome to maintain or at least remain somewhat competitive. >> jemele, one of the great joys of covering the last year that we covered in politics was getting to talk to you about all of it, so i can't let you go without asking you how you're feeling about the new administration. >> well, you know, it's a weird balance and i don't know, nicole, if you go through this as well, where you're trying not to, to borrow a phrase that chris rock used in one of his
stand-up specials, it's like, i'm trying not to give somebody a cookie for raising their kids, okay? so, every day that we wake up and there's, like -- there's no tweeting, outbreaks or just any level of poor decorum and bad behavior, it is a relief to me as an american, but at the same time, there is -- there's work to be done and there's accountability that they have to go through just like any other administration, so once the veneer of it just being somebody who seems like an adult, you know, once that wears off, there is something to be said for this administration, they made a lot of promises, there's a lot of high expectations, and certainly joe biden will not single-handedly, him and kamala harris, be able to dig out -- dig us out from under many of the things that were done in the last four years, not certainly in the first hundred days. this is a marathon process. but still, it is a relief to have adults in charge. >> no, right.
like when you wake up and the current president hasn't sent his supporters to attack the capitol, we're like oh, good, today is a good day. >> no new insurrections. so, that's a plus. >> yeah. and a president with, i don't know if you saw the memorial service last night, but the country has been through a lot of, as you know, really difficult things in the last -- certainly last four years but especially in the last year, and to see him sort of comfortable with his grief and not spinning us that everything is okay, as you said, it's a marathon. i think probably goes as much as fixing everything overnight. >> yeah. i mean, it is -- but you also realize just how much you've been deprived of this in th yeak we were all used to, regardless of whether or not we believed or had the same political values as the president, there was something to be said for the decency that we had all come to rely on.
and being devoid of that for four years took a psychological toll on a lot of us so to see its presence again to, see a president that at least wants to acknowledge that half a million people have died from this pandemic, it's soothing. and it says something about setting a tone of the nation that can't be underestimated. while, yes, surely, there's legislation and there are issues that need to be dealt with, but tone setting is very important in each presidential administration and from a tone standpoint, i think this administration is off to a good start. >> all right, well, we're going to call on you early and often and we're really grateful to get to talk to you on a day like today about tiger woods. thank you, my friend. >> thank you. we will continue to follow developments on tiger woods as we wait for the los angeles sheriff's department news conference at the top of the hour. we're going to take a short break and when we return, we'll cover the news out of washington as congress looks for answers into what went wrong at the capitol on january 6th, leading republicans continue to whitewash what happened on that deadly day as the biden administration zeros in on
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the incident. i think there were hand signals that were being used by several of the insurrectionists. there were radio -- there was radio communication by several individuals that were involved. the coordinated use of chemical munitions to include bear spray. >> alarming testimony from current and former law enforcement officials about the insurrectionists and just a well-prepared they were for the attack on january 6th. the threat of violence committed by domestic extremists like the ones who stormed the capitol still hangs over the country and washington. the department of homeland security warned last month of a, quote, heightened threat environment from terrorists an . >> gary:. >> the task of battling the ongoing threat falls to the biden administration now in office for just over one month. we are fortunate to be joined by former congressman cedric richmond, the director of the white house office of public engagement.
thank you so much for spending time with us today. first, your thoughts on what i see as the connective tissue between some of the reporting about merrick garland's experience in prosecuting oklahoma city bomber timothy mcveigh and some of the things that your new defense secretary has combatted is that everyone is in a posture to fight domestic extremism. >> well, domestic violent extremism has been ranked by the fbi and intelligence agencies as one of the number one threats to this country. for the last couple of years, maybe even three or four years, just the truth is the last administration decided to ignore it, and when i was on homeland security committee, our chairman, bennie thompson, tried to bring it up over and over again just to be stalled or fought by the administration and so this administration, we're not going to do that. we've always said that we will let facts, science, and data drive our decisions. so, we will make sure that our intelligence agencies coordinate and that we fight domestic
violent extremism. >> the memorial service that the president convened last night with the vice president and both of their spouses marked the second time that he has sought to honor those who have been lost and it was remarkable to see him open up his own experiences with grief. obviously, that is important to him, but you have also all been working as a white house to push through the covid relief package. can you talk about the balance between -- and i understand him to be involved in the granularity of some of the policies and the pushes to get vaccines out to governors and mayors, just talk about how, as a white house staff, you're balancing all those demands on all of you. >> the truth is, those two things go hand in hand. his respect for the half a million people that we lost is why we're fighting so hard for the american rescue plan. we want to make sure that we get vaccinations out in every community. we're using health centers. we're using pharmacies. we're using federally supported
sites to do max vaccinations. we're going to have mobile units to make sure that we don't leave communities behind. we're asking for money to send directly to americans who are suffering because of the economic crisis. we're asking for enhanced unemployment for the 11 million people we know who are unemployed through no fault of their own. $130 billion so that we can open up schools safely to get parents back to work. children in the school building. and so, those are our priorities, and we're going to keep working because we know what this pandemic is doing to too many american families. >> if you could just sort of flesh out for us, jen psaki today affirmed the president's support for neera tanden, reporting on the status of support for her on the hill doesn't show a pathway. can you tell us what that is for her confirmation? >> yes, there's a pathway. i mean, we are talking to senators on both sides of the aisle, and we'll continue to do that. and the senators will have a
vote on neera and at the end of the day, we expect that neera will be confirmed. >> are you trying to flip manchin back to a yes? >> look, i won't go deeply into our strategy, but we're having conversations with all senators, because we think neera is very qualified. she has a body of work in terms of policy and fighting for families to lift them up to the middle class, lift families out of poverty. she's an exceptional candidate, and we're going to continue to fight partner her. >> i just want to understand the effort to do so. i mean, joe manchin supported rick grenell and jeff sessions. is some of this pushing back on what makes someone like a joe manchin uncomfortable with her? if you could just help us understand the campaign to find enough votes to confirm her. >> well, i don't think nomination campaigns necessarily are public campaigns. the only thing that we will keep reiterating is that she is very qualified. she was the best out there for the job. and her policy work is about lifting families into the middle
class and improving their lives, and we're going to continue to make that argument to all of the senators because we're just not limited to democratic senators. neera tanden should be a universal choice by democrats and republicans because of her experience and her passion for the american people. >> you're very good at staying on message, which was one of my jobs, but i think what i'm hearing is you're going to try to find a republican vote for neera tanden. we will keep our eyes on that endeavor. i want to ask you about the president's bilat today in a headline that sounded like it was from "the onion." donald trump managed to strain u.s.-canadian relationships. was there much repair work that needed to be done? can you talk about that bilat today? >> really, i can't. i haven't talked to the president or anyone to brief me on it. i've been upstairs working on nominations and making sure our nominees get hearings sooner and we can staff up a cabinet, so that we can run this government. >> can you tell us who you're working on or who you're worried about? >> i'm not worried about
anybody, but we need people confirmed and the truth is we need them confirmed now so whether it's neera tanden, whether it's miguel cardona, lisa monaco, marcia fudge, we have a long list of nominees and right now, this country's in crisis. the last thing we should be doing is still talking about nominees. what we should be doing is working with those secretaries to improve the lives and the situations that we're dealing with all across the country. so, we applaud the senate for the hard work that they're doing, but we want to push them a little bit more to get our nominees confirmed so that we can do more for more people. >> cedric, i know how busy it is in that building, and i know that because of our breaking news, you had to leave whatever meetings you were in and stand there on the north lawn and wait for us, and i apologize for the delay and i thank you for being patient with us on a day like today. it's great to spend some time with you. >> no problem. thanks for having me. >> thank you very much. when we come back, the latest developments and the breaking story we've been covering all afternoon.
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coming up at the top of the hour, the los angeles county sheriff's department will hold a news conference about the breaking news we've been covering for much of this afternoon. golf superstar tiger woods injured in a single-car crash. woods is in surgery at a southern california hospital with multiple leg injuries.
i'd like to bring in mike tirico at nbc sports. do we have another friend as well? and steve sands of the golf channel. i understand you two are well acquainted. i'd like to ask both you have about something jemele hill and have i been talking about. why tiger woods means so much to so many of us. you first, mike. >> well, nicole, i think it is because he was put on our radar as the guy who was going to be next great golfer and he was. everything put out there by his dad, hoping tying worry be the one to change the face of the game, become a globalstar, all that happened. >> yeah. >> only jack nicklaus has won more professional majors. only sam snead has won as many golf tournaments. he is an all-time great. because of that, the impact has been different than almost any athlete we've seen in our lifetime. >> and steve sands, what is your
understanding of the details of what happened today at this hour? >> well, he was going early in the morning. we know that. 7:12 a.m. pacific time south of los angeles. he was throughout last week as the host of the genesis invitational riviera in los angeles. that tournament funds his foundation. he was there. he handed out the trophy to the winner on sunday, max homa, and stayed an extra day in los angeles to do some pr work. one of the people he was doing work with dwyane wade. he has a lot of roots where he was born and raised. he was out there for an extra couple of days. >> everyone who has shared their knowledge of the life and career of tiger woods has pointed out that extraordinary comeback when at the masters in 2019 when he ended, he embraced his son. and i know his son played in a
charity tournament in december. but just talk about tiger woods the dad. because for his family, this is i'm sure been a harrowing day. >> yeah, nicolle, i'll start. i'll let steve finish the story. steve and i were just talking about this on the phone this afternoon after news broke. the golf community has a lot of folks, but it's pretty small. a lot of us reached out to each other wanting to find out what happened and two, to be candid, hoping that these were not life-threatening injuries, that tiger would be okay. tiger after that win in 1997, which was ceiling breaking in so many ways, the amount of shots he won by, but the fact of his racial background to win at augusta national was one of the biggest deals that's ever happened in the sport. famously, he embraced his dad in that spot coming off the 18th green at the masters in augusta. and steve, i'll let you get the back end of the story, because you were there when he got to play in the father/son tournament this december with his son a month after his son
was there waiting for him when he won the masters in 2019. >> yeah, mike, it was really special. nicolle, i've never seen anything like that from tiger. tiger is notoriously very closed when it comes to allowing the public inside as to what he is thinking and what he is feeling. but make no mistake about his love for his children, the fact that he allowed charlie to play and be out there for the world to see in december. it was here on nbc and also on golf channel all weekend long. he couldn't have been more proud. he did not care what he shot. he didn't care what charlie did. all he wanted was charlie to have a great experience, and just to be with his son and have some father/son time like any of white house happen to be proud parents. and tiger has allowed people in the last seven or eight years, way more so, nicolle, than he did the first 15, 20 years of his professional career as the evolution of tiger not just inside the ropes when he is competing, but outside the ropes to allow people to let people in
and let people know exactly what he is thinking. it's fascinating to see, and it was really, really cool as a dad, and just as a human being and a sports fan to watch him enjoy being around charlie in december at the pnc father/son. >> steve, i think that picture is the one we keep putting up. i think tiger woods sought more privacy than was available to him given his iconic stature not just in the sport, but the world over. he became inseparable from so many of the brands that he helped champion. but i wonder, you made that point about the last seven, eight years. can you tell us a little bit more about what led up to what by all reports has been a happier stretch for tiger woods. >> oh, there is no question. look, everybody knows exactly what's taken place in tiger's life from a public side with all the things that have happened toe him, nicolle, away from the
golf course. but the one thing that's always interesting to me covering sports, and mike knows this very well, these guys come out, the women come out very young. they're kids when they come out, and they grow up in front of the world. so if you put $100 million in my pocket when i was 20 years old, i perhaps would make a few mistakes as well. so tiger, has he has gotten into his 30s and his 40s, he has grown up, not only in front of the world, but privately. his children mean the world to him. and as he has gotten older, he has gotten a little more of a nice perspective as to what he's done the last 25 years professionally, and also how much he missed the game because of all the things that had happened to him, most notably, the gentlemen, nicolle. he's been an injured man for a listening, long time, since winning the u.s. open at torrey pines in 2008. so the evolution of him as a man has been way more interesting to me than it has been as a golfer. we already knew he was great,
but now fans can see him as a person and not just as a great golfer. and that's what makes him so much more popular now than he was, even when he was winning all those tournament, all those years. >> and the story of the body and the battle against the body, the injured body. obviously, at a minimum, it sounds like he has undergone surgery for the better part of the day for leg injuries. just talk about both sides of that, mike. he is someone who has been in some form of physical therapy and rehab for much of his career. >> yeah, a short month or so ago, nicolle, a fifth procedure on his back. so you're talking about an individual who has gone through multiple back surgery, neck. he played as steve alluded earlier he played in the u.s. open in 2008 with a broken leg and won in an extra day. we have spent so much time talking about tiger and copping back from injury to during the coverage on sunday, i don't know if he is going to play the
masters before any of this happened today. and that's usually the event that tiger tries to get himself ready for. physically, it's been a challenge for him in addition to so many other ways steve was alluding to. but tiger has found a way to fight through his victory at the masters in 2019 might be as incredible a result in a sporting event as any of us will ever seen because months before that, he didn't know if he would play again. and nicolle, what struck me there and what struck me sunday when he won the golf tournament, his generation is now the generation that's out there playing golf. >> right. >> he handed the trophy on sunday to a player who was waiting to get a high-five from him at the tournament as a kid. this is the tiger generation we're watching star in golf right now. >> it's a sad story, as we said. we understand those injuries are not life-threatening. we'll learn more in a news conference at the top of the hour in a news conference from the l.a. sheriff's department. the great joy of the day was gettinal