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idiologs really tried to save it, but they're also trying to sabotage it. >> thank you very much. i appreciate your time this evening. one more reminder for you to join us on friday at 7:00 p.m. for a special edition of "the reidout." i will join the professional black caucus to discuss racial disparities in the covid crisis. go to msnbc.com/townhall. i'll be back tomorrow night at 7:00 p.m. with tom hayne. tonight on "all in." they were beating police with bats and metal barricades. these criminals came prepared for war. >> the first hearing on the plot to attack our democracy includes a voyage to fantasyland.
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>> agents' provocateurs, fake trump protesters and a disappointed bunch of attackers. >> how a gun fetish is a statement of movements. plus the ongoing nightmare in texas and what we're now learning about tiger woods after a horrible car accident this morning. "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. for most of today as you might imagine, we have been following one breaking news story, the serious car accident involving golf legend tiger woods. according to officials, woods was involved in a single vehicle rollover collision around 7:00 a.m. pacific time. he was extracted from the wreck and taken to the hospital. at a press conference a little while ago, the l.a. county sheriff said woods was conscious when rescue workers arrived and there is no evidence of impairment at this time. he said woods may have been going at a greater speed than
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normal. there were no skid marks. the vehicle traveled several hundred feet, making contact with the center median, went across opposing lanes, hit the curb, hit a tree and the vehicle rolled over several times. his agent said he suffered multiple leg injuries and was undergoing surgery. we're awaiting word on exactly how this happened. obviously we'll keep you updated with any new details. the other major story comes to us from washington, d.c. 47 days after the insurrection on the capitol that led to the death of three police officers, we had our first public accounting of the security preparations and failures of one of the most significant historical dates in modern american history. until this point, we had heard nothing from the people responsible for defending the capitol on that day. but today the acting chief of the metropolitan police department, former u.s. capitol police chief of the former senate, sergeant-at-arms and the senate sergeant-at-arms all
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testified in a joint committee hearing. coming to this hearing we did not have a consensus on the timeline of events and during the attack, and we do not have one still. we still do not know exactly what happened. steven sund, who was the u.s. capitol police chief during the attack, blamed sergeant-at-arms paul irving and senate sergeant-at-arms michael stenger. quote, i notified the two sergeant-at-arms by 1:09 p.m. that i urgently needed support and asked them to declare a state of emergency and authorize the national guard. irving said he never received a text about raising it to the chain of command. those men were apparently quite focused on saving what is left of their reputations after this
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catastrophic failure we all watched on national television. and speaking of reputation saving, senator ted cruz brushed off that now notorious and probably not all that relaxing trip to cancun who led a push in the senate to overturn joe biden's election, to deny him the seating of electors and voted to do that even after the attack had this to say about preventable behavior. >> this hearing is nonetheless productive for analyzing the security decisions and law enforcement decisions that were made realtime and for learning from them what can be done differently to ensure that an attack like that never again occurs. >> yes, senator, we're all trying to figure out who is responsible for this so it never happens again. his colleague, josh hawley, who was the first sitting senator to announce formally that he would object to certifying the electoral college votes, therefore, making that day a big day a point of interest, right, the last possible stand for the
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trumpists? the senator what famously raised his fist in salute to the crowd the day they stormed the capitol? he was outraged today when a reporter asked if perhaps he was complicit in this attack. >> senator, what do you say to your fellow senators and to americans who believe that you are complicit in this attack? >> that's outrageous. i would say it's absolutely out -- outrageous and an utter lie, and anyone who knows the facts wouldn't say that. >> obviously, i am one of the people who know the facts and i do allege precisely that, senator. in fact, the idea that either of those men, cruz and hawley, who not only pushed the big lie that the election was illegitimate but acted to overturn the democratic process which made january 6 the big showdown day where they could do it, where they could stop joe biden from becoming president. the fact they were allowed to
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participate in the hearing strikes many as outrageous. >> ron johnson did vote to certify joe biden's election, but he has also been one of the chief spreaders of conspiracy theories of the election. he did not hold back today, bringing a fact-free blog entry into the congressional record. >> a very few didn't share the jovial friendliness of the community. he describes four different types of people. plainclothes militants, agents provocateurs, fake trump protesters and a disciplined uniform calm of attackers. these are the people that probably planned this. >> fake trump protesters. he said agents provocateurs and fake trump protesters, among others, are responsible for the attack. someone should show senator johnson the charging document of, for instance, this alleged
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insurrection, jose padilla, which was charged with felony count of obstruction to a law enforcement and allegedly wrote on facebook, quote, there are a lot of memes and posts flying around saying that the people who were fighting last night were all antifa provocateurs, et cetera. i just want to say that as a first band observer of every point of last night, that it was not antifa. they were patriots who were trying to restore the republic after being attacked by the cops, who struck first. those in support of trump with this outrageous cause are doing all the hard work blaming antifa. the fact that republicans say they're not responsible for the attack, president trump tried this lie out with a phone call
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with house leader kevin mccarthy as jamie butler recalled. quote, when mccarthy finally reached the president on january 6 and asked him to publicly and forcefully call off the riot, the president initially repeated the falsehood that it was antifa that had breached the capitol. mccarthy refuted that and told the president that these were trump supporters. he goes right from, they're not my people to, well, maybe you should listen to him. in 1910, felicity wrote in her famous book, quote, in an ever-changing, incomprehensible world the masses had reached the point where they would at the same time believe everything and nothing, think that everything was possible and that nothing was true. and the profoundness of the cynicism is sort of the point of the totalitarian subject. oh, it's antifa, no, it's patriots, no, it's antifa. who knows. but for a trump supporter to look and see people in maga gear
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and trump hats, to be like, yes, that's antifa, that's discomforting. but to see the leader of the capitol pushing that lie, and they are shocked they could be accused of such things. jeff merkle participated in this hearing. he joins me now. no cutaway cameras, but what's it like to read in the record this nonsense, this lie about who was responsible when everyone who was around knows who did it? >> chris, we had this opportunity to finally hear from some of the key managers of capitol security, the chief of police, the sergeant-at-arms, senate and the house. and to have these colleagues try to turn this hearing into let's perpetuate the big myth, the big
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myth that this had nothing to do with interrupting the vote to prevent trump from failing to become president of the united states. to make sure that joe biden didn't become president. it just -- it's astounding. and it shows the challenge we have in america where social media and cable television can get stories out in kind of the trump bubble, media bubble, that is so hard to break into. >> have josh hawley or ted cruz ever apologized for what they did on that day? >> absolutely not, not to my knowledge. if they whispered an apology in anyone's ears, it certainly isn't something that was shared in the senate community. >> what's it like to have them there as the sort of ostensibly disinterested, you know, i don't know, judges in a hearing or
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investigators, as it were, when, you know, that date became that date. it became the site of this largely because of trump but partly because those senators announced they were going to make it a contest. they were going to force these votes, they were going to draw it out and they were going to fight. and that's what the crowd wanted them to do. >> i've had echoes of the impeachment trial because there we had the senate as jurors, but some of the jurors were folks that who had perpetuated the big lie, let the other senators join them, and there they were in the hearing to continue providing the cover story as if they had no involvement or engagement. this is like an asteroid arriving in outer space rather than something they had prepared in trying to prevent the transfer of power to the newly elected president. it was something i could never
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have imagined as a young boy growing up in oregon and trying to think of how the different branches of government worked and people in a competency proceeding could never imagine this happening here. we just have to keep pushing back and try to put adults back in charge. >> i felt somewhat frustrated by today's hearing, because i feel like i don't have that much of a clear picture. there is obviously a fair amount of blame shifting and score settling and it's a complicated situation, and i'm not really in a great position to sort of second-guess the judgments of these individuals. it's not my area of expertise. did you have the same feeling, that we left with not a ton of clarity? >> absolutely. the basic message that the group of them were presenting was this was an intelligence failure. we were thinking this would be like the million maga march in november and the second one in december, and we didn't have any
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indication it would be any different, and those didn't become violent when they were in front of the supreme court, so why would this one become violent? and second of all, when they reached out to get approval from the pentagon to send the national guard, the pentagon slow-locked it. those were the two main messages they were conveying. but here's the thing. there was an fbi report the day before reporting on far right extremists, saying this is the moment to stop joe biden from being elected and ensure trump will be elected, that we will fight to the death to make that happen, that there will be blood on the ground, that we must smash windows and smash doors. and that intelligence, when i asked the chief of the capitol police, did that get into your hands, he said, no, it was delivered to a sergeant or delivered it to our intelligence unit, but it never got to me. you would think a manager, the head of the team, would say, i'm supposed to make sure that the
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channels of communication for important facts get to me so we can make strategic decisions, and that didn't happen. and that's on me. because i was in charge. but there was no sense of any of these individuals saying, yeah, i should have done better, we should have drilled. we should have had different strategies where we didn't drill. we should have had more training. we should have had more equipment at a certain point in time. very little sense that any of these individuals were accepting responsibility for mistakes. >> and it also points to my mind a need for a larger inquisition or injury. the national guard is still unclear. we have reports of several officers who have been suspended for actions -- again, none of this is in one place with information that we know of, and i thank you, jeff merkley, who was in that hearing, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> did you happen to see this
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image? this is what it looked like when republican congressman lauren boebert just zoomed in yesterday. that's custom made, that's actually her background. do you notice something different with the bookshelves? there is not just a stockpile sitting behind her, there is a deeper meaning to this image. an explicit threat, too. i'll explain right after this. stick around. i'll explain right after this. stick around
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it's been unclear for some time exactly what donald trump does, but like his father, he does love to make content. this weekend he posted a video of himself about schools while posing with a wall full of guns. as weird as this is, it's kind of becoming a trend on the right. congresswoman lauren boebert, where guns are welcome on the premises, has built her identity around guns. she carries a glock on capitol hill and released a video to make sure we all knew it. last week she zoomed into a congressional hearing with guns behind her, laying across a bunch of books. boebert says they're ready for use.
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apparently she leaves them out because she fears she will need to shoot multiple rounds of ammo for someone who comes into her -- den? it has not a great history for those around the globe. osama bin laden liked to pose in front of his guns. cuba revolutionaries posed with guns all the time, too. you can see it all over the world. it is unquestionably the aesthetic of armed struggle, of revolution. those who put guns front and center in its political aesthetic is a woman who is engaging in something that we would not call the rhetoric of
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politics. you can't escape the meaning of it. it communicates that they're open to at least the possibility of violent overthrow of the government. now in the republican party, it seems like it's becoming common and unremarkable. you'll remember marjorie taylor greene posed with this gun in her campaign ads next to governmental members of congress. she wears a mask that is ancient greek for "come and take them." the message appears to be, if you try to take away our guns, we'll start shooting. there is this idealogy of the second amendment frankly rooted in the fact that the u.s. government itself denied itself of use of force because the founders had gone through it themselves. it's not true, not now and, for instance, during the whiskey rebellion in 1874 when president
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george washington got on his horse to violently protest. they use the excuse that they can be violent at any time and they're willing to brandish that claim as a threat in pursuit of their political aims. it's not some academic thing, right? right now the threat of violence and menace hangs over our collective political life, from the armed protests in the michigan state house last spring which included men who, the fbi says, plotted to kidnap and kill the democratic governor to the violent insurrectionists on january 6, some of whom vowed to kill any lawmakers who wouldn't do their bidding. it's become increasingly standard for the most hardcore dvts of trump and his faction to, at the very least, wink at the notion that they're ready to hurt anyone who gets in their way. sometimes the threat is all too
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real. here's one example. last year an anti-feminist attorney who described himself as a trump volunteer murdered the son of a federal judge, esther solace. nearly killed her. solace was a target. they were also tracking down chief justice sonia sotomayor. >> when i think about that day, i realize i was watching my only child fade away. >> shannon watts is the head of guns for america. with me is david jolley who used to be the republican head and he left office in 2018. shannon, through my life as political reporter, they carried guns in certain ways. a lot of americans really like
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guns, they cherish owning them for sport. there seems to be a different thing happening in that lauren boebert pose that says something different, communicates something different. what do you think it's doing? >> you know, it's intimidation, pure and simple, right? that's the point of having these guns behind them. they're not saying, you know, we are here to demonstrate our freedom, they are there to threaten our freedom. and that's particularly alarming given that just a month ago, we had armed insurrectionists storm the capitol and they had enough live ammunition to shoot every member of the house and senate five times. so this has nothing to do with self-defense. this is a dangerous trend that really started on the internet years ago. you may remember, you had moms in action on your show in 2018, and they pulled guns out of their cars and tried to
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intimidate while they were having lunch, and it was an international story. now that behavior has become mainstream in many ways because of the nra. it is at worst about owning, and it's becoming more and more about causing a second civil war. >> the symbiotics of it, the meaning of it, to me, david, is really inexplainable. people will say, this is just what i love. this is my hobby or an object that i think is super cool. it's protected by the first amendment. i was like, if you show up at my kids' little league game and you just happen to be sporting the gun you have, we're all freaking out. you can't separate the two. >> i say it's even more dire than that. the examples you just gave is the direct correlation between the imagery and a target. donald trump jr. talking about
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teachers' unions. marjorie taylor greene with their image of the squad as she's holding the automatic weapon. with laura boebert, it's this battle against the big government. on january 6 we saw them tackle that government, and where they're leading them to the second amendment, that's what's dangerous because it gets to the world when the oklahoma city bombing happened. there are two deceit this they present. laura boebert did that in her rant before the financial resources committee. she suggested that owning games and taking them into the capitol is an absolute right. that's not the case. all of our fundamental actions have no cases, including.
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they know that there is no legislation that would pass the house from joe biden that would take gun ownership from law-abiding citizens their reability to own guns. they reworded it that donald trump has your freedom. >> there is sort of this idealogy that we saw in richmond. thousands and thousands of gun owners converged on the capitol with their guns, right? it's a protest and it's nonviolent, but when thousands of people carrying guns go to the courthouse, it sends a message. and we need it for self-defense to, no, i actually want to retain the right to overthrow the government violently. that seems more like a
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mainstream idea of the court here. >> absolutely. little the logical outcome of allowing gun riss. moms to action has been sounding the alarm on this. we would go to restaurants and sores and see people overcarrying. the inner a. then they change their mind and they started to support it. really, the nra has led us to this moment. they never miss a moment is when they say, we need to be in there. for too long, they have had so much sway in our lawmakers and our loss. >> david, there is a polling that shows 39% of republicans
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consider critical violence that there won't. . we're also just letting the aftermath to try to stop the peaceful transfer of power. >> chris, this is a real life danger of where the republican party is today. the first stem until, that the elections are not legitimate. it more easily justifies violent through the use of firearms. that is the danger in. thank you both for your time. >> thank you. you might remember senator ted cruz hopped on a plane to mexico. beto says, gotta work, man, gotta work. he joins me, next. an,
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just one week after the texas electrical grid known as ercot failed and left millions of people without power, ercot board members handed in their resignation. not one of them live in texas, by the way. ag ken paxton traveled to utah during the texas freeze. senator cruz went to mexico, only to turn around after hearing the protests. aoc raised $5 million for texans. beto o'rourke also helped his
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fellow texans, raising $5 million and went door to door to check on them. i know the weather got a lot warmer, power came back, a bunch of people still with water issues or water damage. what's it look like there? >> so, chris, tonight i'm in the rio grande valley, and i was in an unincorporated community called hargill. it's about a thousand residents there. they lost power for four days. luckily they have that back on now, but they're still under a boil water notice which means they cannot drink what comes out of the tap, so along with other volunteers we were distributing water there. folks are recovering, they're getting their lives back to normal, but they are deeply frustrated as are millions of texans across the state. we have been to san antonio, austin, up to the rural part of
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north texas in rains county where it's eight days and counting now and some texans do not have water. it's a manmade mistake, and the men who made it are still in power and have yet to be held accountable for it, and folks want answers. >> you can feel, in my conversations with texans through last week, this kind of dual sense of, i have to bear down and get through this and figure out a way that my pipes don't explode through my house and make sure my elders are warm, but like a rising rage coming up in everyone's throats really across the political spectrum of, how in god's name is this the situation in texas? >> it's interesting. we were in a small community called point, texas in rains county in the northern part of the state yesterday. i think it's pretty reliably red. one of the people who volunteered with us had a trump make america great again mask on
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as we were distributing water. but it's interesting, his dad lives on a property that doesn't have running water anymore because of the power outage and the failure of the local water utility, and they're drawing water from the pond on their property to drink. and he said, i used to be concerned about covid, now i'm concerned about cholera. and this is happening in the 21st century in the wealthiest country on the face of the planet in the energy capital of north america. a government has completely failed us. more than ten years of deregulation, decisions made not to weatherize or provide for excess capacity or connect us to the rest of the electrical grid has left people out and on their own and has accounted for at least 30 deaths just in the greater houston area, and as you know, an 11-year-old boy who died in his trailer home, an eight-year-old girl who died next to her mother of carbon
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monoxide poisoning and probably many more deaths you will never know about, and none of them, but none of them, had to happen. as you said in the introduction, folks want to blame ercot and think that if the board members resigned, then this is over. it is not. the folks responsible are still in power, and we need to have new people in the positions of public trust to make them, if we're not going to have this again, and because of climate change, these incidents will be more severe going forward. we have to change course. >> what do you see as the fallout politically? you're saying there is anger and there are policy decisions made at the state level. what does that look like and how do you ensure that people don't look at it and move on to other things? >> i think because of the great
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reporting you're seeing in texas and because of national outlets such as yourself, they recognize governor abbott appoints to the public utility commission that has the regulatory oversight responsibility and power when it comes to ercot. they realize that every member of the texas railroad commission which regulates not railroads but the oil, gas and energy industry in texas have responsibility for the development and transmission of our energy resources that were completely stalled out over the course of the storm. people want answers and they want accountability, and they want to know that this is not going to happen to them again. the worst part about this, of course, has been the loss of life. but you mentioned the broken pipes, which have been produced flooding in people's homes, mold on the drywall that has to be pulled out. so far the most expensive storm in texas history. then to add insult to injury,
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you have people who got bills for $17,000, schools with a $10,000 one-month electricity bill that is in no way her fault. she shouldn't have to pay that. that's up to the state government to pay that. >> we should know the president is going down to houston on friday to survey the aftermath. former congressman beto o'rourke in the rio grande valley, thanks for making some time for us tonight. ahead the cultural counterculture wars are on "america uncancelled" it would be a shame if they had to cancel cpac because of some tweets, wouldn't it? that's next. tweets, wouldn't it? that's next. or it isn't. for those who never settle, it's either
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hungry, president trump focused in on counterculture. >> we understand they're cancelling culture. we're not letting them cancel counterculture. >> we're witnessing the counterculture purge being kicked into overdrive here. >> counterculture is real. it's very dangerous. >> this is the number one issue for the country to address today. >> the number one issue for the country to address today. he said that like a week ago. the menace of counterculture is so important, it's felt so intensely, that the whole theme of this year's conservative cpac conference, the event is "america "even activists have some lines about what kinds of speech are
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acceptable and what just aren't. mostly conservatives are mad that non-conservatives are drawing lines they just don't agree with. you can probably see where this is going. how long do you think it took the "america uncanceled" conference to themselves cancel someone? cpac tweeted, we have just learned that someone we invited to cpac has expressed reprehensible views that have no home with our conference or our organization. the individual will not be participating in our conference. with them going unnamed there, that could have referred to many cpac speakers that express different views. that's sort of the whole point of cpac. they canceled a rapper named young pharaoh. he is push to go his social media with posts saying judaism is not real along with anti-semitic views. he had been asked to speak on
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♪ ♪ >> tonight congressional leaders gathered at the steps of the capitol to commemorate the half million americans who have now died from covid-19. cases are now trending down. we're still losing over 1,000 people per day on a weekly
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average. 2,000 just recorded today. and it is always worth remembering, important to remember, it did not have to be this way. two examples, the u.s. and south korea both recorded their first covid cases on the same day at the end of january last year. south korea immediately rolled out large scale testing, masks, the u.s. did not. there's a chart. the blue line is the united states, soaring, peaking throughout the year. the bottom line is south korea. if the u.s. had followed the same trajectory, if we had the same number of deaths per cam at a, we would have lost about 10,000 americans inted of five him,000. while it is possible to know how many would have been saved if the previous administration had taken it seriously, it is pretty cheer their actions caused irreparable harmful. >> the people who wanted to deny that this is something that was
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serious, when you get a signal from above that it might not be, then you don't do the kinds of things you need to do. i still have flashing in my mind those scenes when we were trying to tell people to really be careful, and what you see on television at night, people crowded at bars, inside, no masks. it was just asking for trouble. and in fact, that's what we got. a lot of trouble. >> president joe biden trying to undo the damage to bring the pandemic to a close by vaccinating the population, but basically doing everything the last administration didn't. like setting an example, wearing a mask, asking americans to social distance. not listening to junk science. >> i think there's a growing awareness that injecting bleach into your system doesn't do it for you. i'm being serious. think about all the ridiculous
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things. there is online still, there are those who are the vaccine -- >> deniers. >> yes. and telling all these stories that aren't true. >> it will take a lot to change the trajectory that has unfolded in america over the last year. to talk about what is so wrong, what needs to be done to make it right. one of joe biden's advisers of the global health council, it's great to have you. we talked about south korea in the intro. they were an a plus student. they had one of the best responses in the world. throughout the pacific, across governments and with different forums and institutions, vietnam, hong kong, china, new zealand, they all did a good job. even if you compare us to the european union or canada, where
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do we stack up? where is the u.s. in our response if you just look at these atlantic countries. >> i can appreciate the laundry list of countries that were ahead of us in their own response. and i think it is important to step back and not just look at the 500 -- the milestone that we hit yesterday with 500,000 deaths, which is heart breaking and infuriating, but even thinking about what that means in the scope of the rest of the world. the u.s. is taking up, or counting for 20% of global deaths. 25% of cases, that makes month sense given we aren't even 5% of the world's population. so in addition to the countries you mentioned, you have a host of others that have demonstrated that leadership matters. it is critically important that no matter what you know, you have to do right by the people you're serving.
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and that's frankly what we didn't see in this past year with this pandemic. >> how much should we think about this? there are a few things that make america exceptional, distinct here. one is donald trump was president. then there's the nature of america's general baseline health, particularly health inequities that there there before donald trump, and the degree on which murk's public health infrastructure is not that good. where do you apportion the blame? >> i wonder if it is across equally across each of those. it was certainly a probable before 2020. we knew health disparities were a thing regardless of the last year. so you're right. our solution has to be focused on not only correcting mistakes, placing blame, we have to go back and dig into the roots of this problem and understand how
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we ended up with rates of hospitalizations and deaths two to three times in certain communities, particularly in black, brown, indigenous communities. that's unconscionable and we see the trend worldwide. where black and brown both are suffering with the impact of this. >> i want to ask you, is that a sociological fact? or a policy leadership fact? >> i think it is absolutely tied to policy. we know that public health is of course scientifically based on its own, in its own right but we are powerless without the policy. and without political leadership. >> i guess i mean, do you think it is policy specific to the u.s. covid response? i agree with you, it is clearly policy. we make choices to have racial inequities. we make them every day. but those racial inequities, that they put people on the front line in so many ways. whether it was the work they do or the co-morbidities that were
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produced by the environments in which they live and the access to health care they had before, or it was like the guy at the top was injecting bleach was the solution, and telling people to get out there like they were warriors. >> yeah. and i think it is both and. not either/or. it is hard to choose one or the other. the leadership or the lack there of was not helpful. let's be clear. right? we really needed our government and people from the very top on down to step up. and i'm grateful for the career staff and others who really held the line. who really ensured that people still had correct information. because it is a very real thing we're fighting against and it is harder to catch up when all of that is out there. it is critical that now there is a plan for not just vaccine distribution but testing and tracing. this is what other countries did right as well. you had even in the u.k. which struggled in its response when
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these variants emerged. the fact that they were able to identify them and address them is critical. those are the types of systems we didn't have in place and we're just playing catch up. >> right. and i think those systems, we will get to a point where we have vaccination, suppression, at some point this season. but there will be next fall and winter, there will be ways in which we have to battle it and we'll need the systems in place then particularly. >> absolutely. and i would even say, we don't really quite understand the virus fully to know that we have even that long to wait. so we're still saying it is critically important to practice the public health measures, regardless. where we are in the calendar. until we can catch up, it will continue to beat us. >> yeah. that's an important point. like we've got it, hold on. it is the end of a car ride
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where you've been fine for the nine hours and now the last 10, 15, 20 minutes just seem unbearable. i think a lot of people, with just a certain. a consistent messaging we all need. >> yeah. and i understand that people are tired, too. i mean, i do this for a living and i am exhausted. not just because of getting up every day trying to fight this thing because i too miss my friends and family and i too wish this was all over. it just isn't. and we do have a ways to go. i have faith that we can continue to stand strong and understand that we made it through tough times before, frankly, as a country. we pride ourselves only and it sounds rather cliche. >> we can do it. hang in there. thank you for making time. that's all for this evening. rachel maddow starts now. >> good evening, my friend. much appreciated. thank you for joining thus hour. a lot to get to this hour after what has been a rll

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