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tv   MSNBC Live With Katy Tur  MSNBC  February 24, 2021 11:00am-12:00pm PST

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good afternoon, i'm katy
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tur, it is 11:00 a.m. out west and 2:00 p.m. in the east. the country just took a mass i step towards beating this pandemic. the agency will likely approve the johnson and johnson vaccine for emergency use. that decision could come as early as friday which, if you're counting, is just two days from now. j and j vaccine that showed to be effective at preventing severe disease is only a one-dose shot. that means the company can manufacture more of the vaccine faster and it makes it significantly easier to inokay rate millions of americans who need shots before we can reach heard immunity. at today's briefing they predicted more than three million people could get the j and j shot by next week.
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>> we anticipate three to four million doses of johnson and johnson vaccine next week. johnson and johnson is announcing a plan to deliver 20 million doses by the end of march. >> that is a big deal. especially when you consider the cases that are already trending in the right direction. global deaths dropped 20% last week alone. and while this is good news and there is room for optimism we're not yet out of the woods. doctors disagree about how long it will take to reach heard immunity. as we are reminded today, the virus is never going to completely disappear saying it is "a fantasy that the virus
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will just go away once heard immunity is reached. joining me now is carol lee, the dean of the school of public health. and the co-director of the center for vaccine development. everybody, welcome. this is a big step forward, a lot of good news what is the white house saying? >> this is their number one goal here, katy, to get as many vaccines out there in the public as possible. so this is good news as you said in that regard. the covid response coordinator for the white house said they're already in touch about how to ensure that this gets distributed properly and so they can plan for that. there is distribution process in terms of how it is rolled out. there is also some surprise coming from the administration
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in terms of the numbers. three to four million by next week is significant, it falls short of the ten million that johnson and johnson had promised. so you heard the white house press secretary jen psak eerks said she was surprised by that and she hoped this would be expedited. and the covid response coordinator says the expectation is still that johnson and johnson would meet that requirement of 100 million doses by the end of june despite this initial falling short of the number that the white house anticipated would roll out. the vaccine is the way out of it in their view and as much vaccinations as they can get into the arms of people is always a good news story for them. the president is going to focus on this again. he will visit text on friday.
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we expect next month that the campaign, the massive pr campaign to get people to take the vaccine will roll out in march. that is part of the message that this needs to pass through congress. in order to get all of the vaccines out there and to get the shots into the arms of americans that is something that is also needed, katy. >> let's talk about what carol was just mentioning. there are not as many doses as were promised by johnson and johnson, what happens when something like this falls short? >> thank you, it is us have straiting. i think part of it was to build up stockpiles that didn't quite happen. and there is a whole set of
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issues that go into production. making vaccine social security a difficult thing. they really, really experienced superb company, but i don't think they maize sure there enough doses. i think they all wish they hald more right now. >> talk to us about what it means to have a vaccine that is just one dose? as opposed to moderna and pfizer. >> yeah, it will be easier if we don't have to worry about a second dose. i think it is important that we don't rule out the possibility that if we continue there will be a second dose. there is a phase three trial
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looking at two doses. i suspect higher levels of protection, and it will work better in older people. some of the data suggests that individuals over the age of 60, the single dose vaccine may protect less than 50%. when you look at the antibodies, it looks as good or better than the two mra vaccines. keep that on file and we'll see how that pans out. bottom line is that we need this vaccine. my estimates are that we need to immunize around around half a bill immunizations before this is over in 2021. so you know the three million doses is a bit of a disappointment and it is basically you talk about half a billion it's a rounding error. we have to really ramp this up. we need the vaccine, we need
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the astrazeneca vaccine. we have only given a single dose to about 15% of the american people so far. >> we had you on last week talking about how the united states needs to ramp up the pace of vaccinations to get ahead of the variants out there. but let's talk about the efficacy. you have been really on this welcome and this idea that we're talking about 60% or 70% efficacy. there are people that will walk into their doctor's office or pharmacy and say i don't want the j and j, i want the moderna or the pfizer. what do you say to them? >> yeah, so what i said to them is first and fore most it's a terrific vaccine. i would be very comfortable having any member of my family get it. the key numbers to pay attention
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to are hospitalizations and deaths, right? that's what we care about. what we really care about is preventing people from getting so sick they have to be hospitalized or they end up dying. based on the data we have seen after the vaccine has kicked in and worked the johnson and johnson vaccine is found -- basically no one was hospitalized and no one who died that got this vaccine nap is an extraordinary track record. and we may end up coming back for a second dose of the j and j that may give us even more protection. i want people to remember what is important. we may not have vaccines that fully prevent anyone from getting infected, i'm not sure that is the most important goal. most important is keep people alive and from getting really sick. the j and j vaccine does have very well. >> what about the idea that
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covid is never going a way. will we be dealing with it like the flu? >> i don't think it will wind up bying every year like flu. we're seeing a convergence towards a single type of variant with similar types of mutations. it would not surprise me that those of us who got two doses of pfizer or moderna will get a third dose to correspond to a variant down the line. maybe later this year or next year. so don't be surprised if you get word that you may get a booster for a third immunization. i don't see this as an annual event but we don't know for certain. my colleague at harvard has a nice model out showing peaks around every winter in january, but if everyone is vaccinated
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the impact will be far less. it will be around for a little while, but it will be quite manageable and people will be able to reach a point in the u.s. where people will not have to wear masks. where we'll be able to go to work and restaurants. there may be brief periods in january and february or on an early basis where we will need masks, but it will be very livable. >> thank you very much for joining us and starting us off today with this incredibly good news about the j and j vaccine. now we want to move on to the breaking news story that broke at this time yesterday in this show. the awful rollover car wreck with tiger woods at the wheel. we know that he is awake, responsive, and recovering after hours of surgery to repair
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severe damage to his leg and ankle. the first police deputy to reach the crash says woods is lucky to be alive and that he was responsive at the time of the crash as well. let's bring in steve paterson who was at the sheriff's office with the latest and always jimmy roberts. steve we got a few daytimes about tiger woods condition as of today. can you walk us through them? >> yeah, i think context is important here. we're talking about at this point in the conversation will this legendary golfer be able to return to the sport he loved. 24 hours ago it was more like would this father of two, this loved one, be able to pull through this or walk again. so to hear he is conscious and communicating, alert, recovering, already a victory for the people that love the man. for the golfer one of the
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statements came from the doctors that's a different story there. he has multiple open compound fractures in his leg. a rod has been used to stabilize his right leg. multiple injuries to his foot and ankle. several screws have been implemented there and over to stabilize those injuries. so now as tiger woods is recovering the focus is moving toward the investigation. we won't know anything for a couple weeks especially with about investigation and a crash of this size and magnitude. we do know what they're looking for. was he at all distracted? that information will come from the car. second, were there obstacles in the road, something he maybe struck that sent him careening there.
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did speed play a factor? the sheriff said because of the scene, he was likely combined with a high rate of speed, and these hillside communities outside of los angeles, specifically the community he was in, that specific curve that comes up to a hill and down an incline very sharply is infamous for crashes. did terrain play a factor. i spoke to that deputy that walked up on tiger as that crash had just happened. i was able to speak to him on the scene. he was surprised how lucid and communicative tiger was. >> he was very calm considering the extent of his secures. i'm sure shock and adrenaline had a lot to do with it.
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he was speaking to me and communicating with me. >> according to that deputy and others on scene, no sign of intoxicate, of inebriation or anything to indicate he was under the influence of anything at the time of the crash. all of that will be under investigation. >> they're holding a news availability saying there is no sign of any intoxication from tiger woods. jimmy you covered the man for so long through his ups and downs. i saw you in that incredible documentary and the come back he made in 2013. what are you thinking right now? >> i'm kind of shocked like everybody is. we're caught in this world where we're shifting from is he going to survive to is he going to
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play golf. you know this morning i did a lot of thinking about some parallels in sports. the injuries are very, very serious. but the one that i go back to is a guy named paul george. in 2014 he had a horrible, horrible broken leg injury very similar to what tiger has endured. it took him eight months of recovery. but the big difference is that paul george was at the time 24 yards old. tiger is 45 years old. i don't know if we can measure at this point where he will be. i thought it was really interesting there was a rory mcilroy, the number 8 ranked golfer in the world had a very
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thoughtful tweet. he said a reporter asked him if the pga tour event in florida, he said of all people is he the one person you think can come back from this? he said he's not super man, he's a human being and he has been through so much. everyone should just be grate thafl he is here, alive, and that his kids have not lost their dad. golf is so far away from the equation right now it's not even on the map at this point. i think the next few months for him are just about get better and i think it is just a gigantic question more. >> i wonder about that and whether or not in talking about what this will mean for his career if it is just way too much pressure on him. he is 45. he had a number on back surgeries. he already made an incredible come wac.
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this is a horrific accident. is it too much to talk about his future in golf right now? is it not fair? >> it is probably not fair, katy, but i think it is inevitable given what he has done. he is hailey comet, someone like him is one in a generation if that. there is so much irony here. right now he has 82 pga tour victories which means he is tied for the most ever. i think a lot of people expected, considering those two numbers, that it would be difficult for him to get to 18 major championships. that's what jack nicklaus has. i thought people thought he
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could get to 83 and be the win ingest play of of all time and now we have to wonder about that, but i do think it is an appropriate time to just down shift and be grateful for a human being whose life wasn't taken. >> and be grateful that a couple children didn't lose their dad and even if he can't play golf again, he would still be a remarkable figure in the history of sports. incredible and considered one of the greatest of all time. thank you for the updates. jimmy roberts, thank you for joining us. still ahead, protests and calls for serious reform after a grand jury declined to charge the officers in a deadly confrontation with a man in the throws of a mental illness
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>> president joe biden is having a meeting right now on the aspects of our vaccine supply chain. tf somes on the heels of the j and j vaccine being approved. but causing the lines to slow down. and so we're going to talk about that. we have a bipartisan group here. we had an effort last year talking about how to dean with these.
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it is nice to have everybody down here. so thank you for coming in, and we appreciate it. >> thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you. president biden -- >> thank you. >> a lot of thank yous there. he is reviewing potential vulnerabilities in the supply chain including our supply of personal protective equipment. we have a new nbc news exclusive interview with kamala harris. she talked to reverend al
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sharpton about a covid relief bill and a vote that could be up in the house as soon as friday. >> as we continue to fight, first we have to be here and be alive. >> that's right here is the thing, let's not let covid get us. let's get the vaccine instead, right? let's not let this thing get us. we know black people are disproportionately likely to contract the virus and die from it. we know when you look at the frontline workers who have been most at risk, we're talking about people of color. when you look at black small businesses, as many as i have seen, 40%, going out of business or have gone out of business, it is disproportionately affecting us. if we want control of this virus that is harming us at a
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disproportionate rate part of it is get vaccinated when it's your turn, wear your mask all of the time when you're around other people. six feet of distance. watch your hands with warm or hot water and soap. let's save our lives, that's what this is about. we're going to get beyond this. part of what the president and i are offering is saying it can't only be on folks. it has to be all of us working together and that's what everybody needs to do as a individual. what we need do is pass the american rescue plan so we can get those $1400 checks to folks. save our small businesses, so we can pass the child tax credit. so that families can lift half of american out of poverty. let's extend the unemployment benefits. let's do all of these things,
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partnering together so we can get through this moment of crisis. because i'm telling you i have faith. i believe in our ability to get through this and be better on the other side. if we all work together to lift folks up and lift ours ourselves up when we have the opportunity. >> joining me now is the host of "politics nation" reverend al sharpton. so she is pushing on telling people it is safe. and also pressure on republicans to sign on to it or to at least feel political pain if they don't. >> there is no question about it. as we talked and i'm going to play the full interview that lasted over 15 minutes on saturday night, saturday evenings on politics nation, she
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talked act this passion gnatly. she appealed to people to get vaccinated and she talked inses endly about how it is important that the senate and the congress pass this package. that we're talking about 500,000 people that have dies and this is no time to take partisan positions. it's time as you just saw in the clip you played for us to deal with the small businesses going out of business, those people that lost jobs, and people losing their lives. she was extremely passionate about that. we talked about black history, how she get with being vice president. this was the first sit down interview from the ceremonial room in the white house. she did it because we wanted to have her for the end of black history month and she clearly is now living black history and she
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talked about that, talked about going to a historical black college, what that meant to her, raised by a single mother, and she kept coming back to where we are now which is the covid pandemic and how we need to deal with it and clearly she feels this package is a must and that we must rally around it. >> it has exposed the deep seeded inequality that exists in this country both financial inequality and also medical inequality. i wonder if you were able to talk to he about the $15 minimum wage? that is something that the progressive -- frankly most democrats want in this bill. there are a few hold outs. we heard reporting that joe biden says he is willing to drop that from the bill. did she have anything on that issue? >> we did not get specific on the division, but clearly
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throughout the conversation about the entire bill, the bill as it is has $15 an hour, and most democrats, progressive and even those considered moderate, and certainly those of us in the civil rights community want a $15 minimum wage. i do not understand how people can think in this given economy, and particularly coming back from a pandemic that we should be playing games with how much we are going to pay people minimally per hour. we definitely need to give people all of the help they can get and it proves that when people are more stable in terms of their income, and have more availability to them they spend more which springs the economy
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back. it may be the thing that restores the economy. president biden said earlier that you have to go big, that is not to bring down the wages per hour. going big is $15 per hour. >> reverend al sharpton, thank you for joining us and bringing that clip. you can see more tomorrow at 6:00 a.m. on "morning joe" and also on "politics nation" this saturday at 5:00 p.m. eastern. a year after her son was shot while jogging, the mother of ahmad arbery is filing a suit.
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there is no shortage of investigations under way on the attack on january 6th on the u.s. capitol. first on the role that donald trump played, then the sweeping investigation that the justice department is doing. hundreds of people have been charged. there are areaings on capitol hill to grill those in charge of security that day. there is also a big push for a 9/11 style commission to investigate what happened and write the definitive report on what happened. no one can aagree on how that commission should be formed. joining me now is the founder of punch bowl news jaix sherman and
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the director of the republican accountability project and dhs assistant secretary. welcome, so jake, i'm just shocked, shocked they can't come to a consensus on how to get this done. >> yeah, this might be the first time we have ever talked about congressional dysfunction, right? nancy pelosi proposed a committee with a democratic majority and the chairman that will be selected by by the way, this needs to be passed into law. it needs to be codified by a vote. so there is questions about whether or not it could get through the senate, and nancy pelosi cannot dequeth the power. it is playing out in realtime
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because we keep reporting details from it, but i don't know how they will come to an treatment. today mitch mcconnell said that he wants to broaden this committee to include all political violence. that is in his view antifa and black lives matter, those are the kind of political violence episodes that he has folken about. this is heading, katy, and it would not take a congressional genius to say that this is not happening in the best direction for a committee to be formed and chosen. >> let's pile on to what jake said and ask whether or not a commission like this is truly necessary to figure out what happened on january 6th. >> i have been a proponent for a commission on domestic terrorism for over a year now.
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it was a year ago that i said look, the issues around how we go after domestic terrorism are very complex and difficult for the executive and legislative branch to dig into all of the things that we need to consider to determine the best path forward for potential statutory changing. you really need to send a lot of really smart people away outside of the political pressure to study the problem and come up with solutions. sadly while there was legislation drafted up it was put into the defense commission. i think that it is, of course, important for us to have a fact based historical record of what led to january 6th and what
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happened. that is extremely important, but i think we need to go broader. it didn't just start in the post election period. it has been years of disinformation, years of domestic terrorism organizations. years to figure out what is go on to be able to properly disrupt them. we need to take this seriously and i really hope that we can have serious statesmen come together and craft a compromise so we can have a bipartisan commission go after this problem set. the men and women of dhs, fbi are trying to keep us safe. the todaying we have are not enough. we need help. congress needs to do their job. >>, if any, there was one consensus yesterday among those that testified on the secure
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lapses, it was that the intelligence was not up to snauf, and they were asking that they turn a sharper eye. there is a bit of reporting about trump on two fronts. david purdue said to be considering running again in georgia against -- for his seat back essentially met with trump and says he is not going to run. here is how the meeting went according to the new york times. mr. trump was focused on retribution particularly against senator mitch mcconnell and governor brian kemp of georgia. a republican that mr. trump views as having betrayed him. there was also a awkward moment earlier today you flagged it to me with majority leader mccarthy
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in the house and his third ranking official, liz cheney. listen to this. >> do you believe president trump should be speaking at cpac this weekend. >> congresswoman cheney? >> that is up to cpac. i've been clear on my views about president trump and the extent to which following january 6th i don't believe he should be playing a role in the future of the country. >> on that high note, thank you very much. minority leader mccarthy, i correct myself. what's happening? >> republicans are not on the sage page when it comes to trump. it is a big rift in the leadership. they're on different changes. we reported they spoke privately after those remarks.
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clearly mccarthy was not happen. you could see steve scalise shaking his head and the president trying to get retribution against mitch mcconnell. he is not up for reelection until 2026. the goal for mitch mcconnell is to get back the majority. so unless president trump is going to flip half of the senate republican conference against mitch mcconnell, which he will not be able to do, he was never really good at getting the senate or the thousands do anything, there is no retribution to be had. it just seems to be awful and a big waste of time. >> you're lucky that i'm out of time or i would be razzing you about the fact that there are no lights on in your ought right now. i wonder if we need to crowd source funding for lightbulbs in there. >> i know someone named chris
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a new york grand jury will not bring charges against the officers involved in the death of daniel prude. they called the police for help when he seemed to be having a psychotic break. they placed a spit hood after he said he had covid-19. he was new england handcuffs
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naked and face down until he lost consciousness. he died a week later. he was brain dead. an autopsy listed complications of asphyxia as a contributing cause of death and also revealed he had a small about of pcp in his system. video of the incident was released six months later. of new york state's attorney general latisha james called the outcome disappointing. >> they have challenged public confidence in our criminal justice system and his has has unfortunately repeated itself again. >> joining me now is michael eric dyson who is the author of the book "long time coming: reckoning with race in america" so it's all about writes letters to those that died at the hands of police violence and others.
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daniel prude was not included in this book, it happened more recently. what do you make of the reaction that latisha james just had to the officers not being charged in his death. >> it is heartenning that an official is empathetic to and concerned about african-american people and other citizens of her state who continue to be subjected to arbitrary forms of violence, forms of vengeance against black bodies, here was a man's family calling for help from the police to intervene because he was having a psychotic break. i think he was visiting from chicago and they put a spit hood on his head and then leaving him there.
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treating him as an animal, no attempt to revive him. looking at him objectively and in such a distressing manner. so to have latisha james say this is disappointing. repeat the history before us as a spark to at least think more vigorously about how we not only reform the police, but begin to look at more structural issues that will put the police at a decided disadvantage when it comes to leveraging their public presence against black bodies on the streets of our cities. >> let's talk about elijah mcclain. they say the aurora police officers in colorado had no justified reason to stop and frisk him.
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it is compounding the anger of what happened in this particular case. >> that is right, a 150,000 page report that documented what we already observed with film and new recordings, the fact is they had to right to stop him. he was a precious soul. one of his coworkers said it was like a gold orb surrounded him. he played violin. he was a sweet, wonderful human being. walking home with a full mask on because he suffered from anemia and he was cold. he begged them repeatedly for them to observe respect of his body. he says i know you're not bad, he engaged in what we have determined the politics of respectability.
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he tried to prove his worthiness as a human being so they would stop rendering him unconscious, twice. then when the emt arrived, they didn't take the appropriate precautions the appropriate precautions to judge his body weight. he was barely 140 pounds. less than 5'6". and then dies a week later. this is an astonishing repudiation of the very principles of democracy by which we are governed. and when people talk about defunding the police, this is what compels them. and all defunding the police means is that the police aren't the only arbiters of public safety in our nation. why don't we put funds behind people that could have addressed him. similar to mr. wallace in philadelphia. another psychotic break.
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the police show up. another person dead. >> there are a lot of police officers who don't want to be doing those kinds of calls. don't feel like they should be doing those kinds of calls. it is not within their scope of training. michael, thank you for joining us. the book is called "long time coming. reckoning with race in america". >> thank you. five officials in charge of the texas power grid have stepped down after last week's massive blackout. but will that shake up improve what went wrong? wrong? 'll sleep. ♪♪ it's the easiest because it's the cheesiest. kraft. for the win win. we made usaa insurance for members like martin. an air force veteran made of doing what's right, not what's easy. so when a hailstorm hit, usaa reached out before he could even inspect the damage.
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♪ more than this ♪ president biden will travel to texas on friday as the state works to recover from the disaster of last week's deep freeze. before he gets there, though, texas officials will hold a hearing tomorrow on how the state's power grid came within just minutes of a catastrophic collapse. millions across texas, meanwhile, still don't have access to safe drinking water and are still waiting for long lines, in long lines for food. and amidst all that backlash, five board members of the state's power authority have now resigned. joining me now from taylor, texas is alison barber. five people resigned. is that going to fix the problem? >> i think the general consensus is that a lot of people think it is a good first step, but this is far from any sort of big
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picture solution. that's why of course we will see those hearings tomorrow and we are learning about investigations that two different counties, harris county and travis county, have launched into the events leading up to the storm and the power outages and the events and actions of people throughout all of the last kind of week and a half. so, yeah, five board members have resigned. a sixth person withdrew their name for consideration for an open position on the board. there was a whole bunch of criticism from the public once people started to realize that about a third of the board, which is in charge of overseeing the state of texas's electrical grid did not actually live in the state of texas. all six of the people who resigned live out of state. one as far as germany. here in places like taylor, texas, where we are, they are trying to work to get things back to normal. this is a place where the main water supply, where they get all of their water, that supply
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center lost all power last week. so at some point, residents in taylor didn't have any water at all. now the water is back on. but they can't use it. it is a boil advisory here for the entire city. some 17,000 people are being told they have to boil their water before they use it. and i want to show you this because this is kind of a crazy aspect here. in order for people to have access to drinkable, safe water, first they have to let all of this out. it is the first step in a process that best case scenario takes three to four days. listen here. >> we have 22 sites that we will test. once we have tested those 22, if everything is positive on the test and everything shows good chemicals, meeting the standards, then we will be able to lift our boil water notice. if any one of the 22 sites were to fail, we have to start all over again. so every day that we fail adds a day to our length before we can
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lift the notice. >> reporter: so it is a long process to get the water back ready for people to drink. and this is just one example of what many communities in texas, particularly smaller communities are still dealing with. katie? >> i'm so glad you showed that to me because i was wondering where exactly you were. ellison, thank you very much and good luck to everybody down there in texas. that is going to do it for me today. if you are going out, remember, we are still in a pandemic, even though things are getting a little better. wear a mask. if you are staying in, we pick up our coverage after a quick break. quick break. in front of you it's a mirror, dad. you know? alright, okay. how's that? is that how you hold a mirror? [ding] power e*trade gives you an award-winning mobile app with powerful, easy-to-use tools and interactive charts to give you an edge, 24/7 support when you need it the most and $0 commissions for online u.s. listed stocks.
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and keep the public safe. good afternoon, everyone. in new york at this hour, senators are being briefed on current and future security measures at the capitol complex as lawmakers are holding three more hearings today alone into the deadly insurrection on january the 6th. right now the house judiciary committee is meeting on the rise of domestic terrorism here in the u.s. while a house subcommittee looks at the role of social media and disinformation and extremism as we get new, stunning body cam images from a d.c. metro police officer who was beaten and choked during those riots. a former nypd officer is charged in the assault after being filmed allegedly attacking and then standing over the officer. we're going to show you more about those disturbing body cam images. and this morning,


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