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and keep the public safe. good afternoon, everyone. in new york at this hour, senators are being briefed on current and future security measures at the capitol complex as lawmakers are holding three more hearings today alone into the deadly insurrection on january the 6th. right now the house judiciary committee is meeting on the rise of domestic terrorism here in the u.s. while a house subcommittee looks at the role of social media and disinformation and extremism as we get new, stunning body cam images from a d.c. metro police officer who was beaten and choked during those riots. a former nypd officer is charged in the assault after being filmed allegedly attacking and then standing over the officer. we're going to show you more about those disturbing body cam images. and this morning, the architect of the capitol testified about
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the frantic efforts his office took to protect congress on that day. >> three members of the team raced to the roof to reverse the air flow within the building to clear the air of chemical irritants such as bear spray repellant and pepper spray. while other team members rushed bottles of water to police officers in need of assistance. eric swalwell is standing by to talk with us. but first over at the white house, president biden is meeting with a bipartisan group of lawmakers as a key nomination is delayed and his administration appears to be getting off to a slower start than expected. joining us now to talk about all of this is kara lee covering the white house and garrett haag on the hill. a vote about tan den's vote was
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pushed back. >> she needed two votes and both of those got canceled today or at least delayed. it is pretty clear that democrats don't know where the 50th vote for neera tanden is going to come from. democrats need one republican to crossover and a lot of the usual suspects said they won't. they don't plan to vote for her. democrats are waiting to see what lisa murkowski might do. but so much of this with tanden involves her past tweets. she still has tweets going after lisa murkowski for some of lisa murkowski's policy positions. so the tanden nomination right now is hanging on a thread. >> what is the perspective from the white house? biden only has 9 cabinet nominees approved by the senate, including those two yesterday. you see there on your screen compared to the past two
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administrations at this point. obama had 15. trump had 14 by february 24th. what is the mood? what is the perspective like from the white house as they see this delay in confirming the president's picks? >> well, they say that they are fighting for nira tandem still, that this is not over. they continue to back her. they're in conversations with the senate to see if there is a way to muscle this through. it is worth remembering that they started at a disadvantage when you look at those numbers from the obama administration, the trump administration. there weren't many cabinet nominees confirmed day one when president biden took office. there was a rocky transition that delayed a number of things including cabinet nominees. so there is some recognition. and then they had impeachment. and, so, that also caused some delays there. there is a recognition that this
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is something that was going to be a tough nomination to get through and that this was potentially where they would wind up when it comes to the omb director. but as far as the numbers go, it is also worth remembering that they haven't lost that many nominees, and the other ones they feel relatively confident about. president obama even in 2009, he sacrificed several of his nominations for various cabinet positions. so there is a little sense of urgency and kind of some consternation over this, but they're not yet at this full-blown frustration that you might expect. >> by this time back in 2009 obama's stimulus package had already been approved. we're still two weeks away from this covid relief. this morning louisiana republican senator john kennedy, he called that covid relief bill a, quote, left of lennen knee
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you socialist wish list. >> sounds like a pretty strong no from senator kennedy of louisiana who certainly has a way with a quote. look, this is looking increasingly like an all democrat or nothing affair in the house. republican leaders are whipping against this bill. in the senate, i just left a press conference with half a dozen or so republican senators that are arguing that the minimum wage position in the bill alone is enough to defeat it. democrats will have to have their houses very much in order in the literal sense when this bill comes to the floor of the house on friday and especially when it comes over to the senate next week or thereafter because in the senate obviously as we're learning on these nominations there is zero room for error and no republican appears willing to provide that additional buffer with their vote in either chamber right now. >> thanks to the both of you for starting us off this hour. the house judiciary committee is holding a hearing on the rise of
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domestic terrorism in america after the deadly january 6th insurrection on capitol hill. this following yesterday's hearing where officials contradicted each other and said a lack of intelligence was responsible for security failures during those riots. joining me is eric swalwell, one of the impeachment managers in the second impeachment trial of donald trump. he is a member of the homeland security intelligence and judiciary committees. congressman, thank you so much for your time. let me first get your reaction to the testimony we heard from security leaders yesterday about this breakdown of intelligence communication and then the contradicting time lines from different officials. what do you make of that? >> first i want it to be clear that the person most responsible for what happened on january 6th was donald trump who assembled, inflamed and incited the mob that attacked the capitol, killed a police officer and tried to stop the cabinet. this was completely foreseeable
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and it was a failure of leadership by the capitol police. it was a failure of leadership by the president who did not have the national guard come for hours. my own family member, friends, constituents were texting me for days before the event telling me to be safe because they were reading the same tweets from the president and his supporters that you andwy r reading. this is completely foreseeable. now knowing that we have a presidential address coming up, foreign leaders who will visit the congress, future joint sessions to certify elections, we have to make sure this place is accessible but also able to stop an attack like this again. >> you are probably where they announced today their next hearing will be a week from today and will call top officials this time from the fbi, defense department and homeland security department as well. as a former impeachment manager who investigated this incident, what questions do you still have? what do you hope they will ask and get answers to? >> well, i want to know why the
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vast amount of open source intelligence that we used in the trial was not being shared with the people who could have used that to make decisions to better prevent the mob from getting into the capitol and getting into the senate chamber and close to the house chamber. the speaker already put in place a security review that's taking place right now and has called for a september 11 style bipartisan independent commission that will also make recommendations. i also want to say who should not be a part of these discussions are people who were playing their part in instigating and propagating the big lie. it was frustrating yesterday to watch some of the senators who allowed this to take place to question, you know, these officers. it's sort of like, you know, the arsonists after the village burns down calling the fire chief in to ask him why he didn't do more to protect the village. i don't think they should be a part of anything. >> what do you suggest be done?
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>> well, i think it should be independent, bipartisan, outside of congress and, again, we want this place to open up. we want to see the walls come down. hopefully the national guard can lead. but when future national events take place at the capitol, we want to make sure this place is fortified, especially if you have people inciting and inflaming mobs who could come here and disrupt the proceedings. >> i wanted to ask you about something you referenced earlier. that is about officer sick nick. we have not gotten a clear answer what happened to him. we know he died following injuries sustained during the riot. when we will know how he was injured and if someone is going to be held accountable? >> i care a lot about that, too. i have two brothers who are police officers and i can't imagine what his family is going through. that is something that they are owed, that the public is owed. remember, of course, i have
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watched hundreds of different vantage points of the mob and i have seen body camera footage. this was a crowd. officers were in the crowd and it is very difficult to sort out exactly who was doing what. i hope they are able to do that because, as i said, for closure and accountability to bring anyone who brought those injuries to the officer to justice. >> one of the points made yesterday was that if the secret service felt so endangered by what was happening they wouldn't have brought the vice president to the capitol. do you think the participation of former president trump and the secret service in the rally on january the 6th gave capitol authorities a false sense of security? do you think that contributed to how unprepared security was for the riot? >> i want professionals to look at that and answer that question. but i will say that what donald trump said at that rally, telling the mob who was there that he was going to go with them up pennsylvania avenue to
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the capitol, that gave them permission. that solidarity made them believe he was with them and that anything they would do would be okay because he just told them to fight like hell and if they didn't they wouldn't have a country anymore. certainly the president's actions inspired those individuals. to what degree it affected the secret service would be part of a security review. >> kevin mccarthy said he thinks it is right that trump will speak at c-pac on sunday. that is two weeks, actually, after being acquitted in the senate in your trial. what do you make of this? do you see this as being the first step for him in becoming the 2024 gop nominee? what is your reaction to both the minority leader's comments and the president speaking? >> twice impeached president who incited an attack on our capitol that led to the killing of a cop as, you know, no, i believe, has
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no business being at any gathering of any americans. i think he's going to spend the rest of his years in civil and criminal courts. but if they want to have him, that's their right to do so. i'm more aligned with people like liz cheney who said today standing next to kevin mccarthy that he shouldn't have a role in our country. >> thank you so much for your time this afternoon. really appreciate it. ahead a single shot breakthrough in the fight against the coronavirus. what a new fda review says about the johnson & johnson vaccine candidate. but first an update on tiger woods. golf car tiger woods, excuse me. his twitter feed saying he is awake, responsive and recovering after a devastating car accident in california. doctors had to insert a pod in his right leg and put pins and screws in his ankle and foot. the accident was so severe the deputy on the scene said wood is lucky to be alive. his suv was traveling at a greater than normal speed.
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all right. some breaking news that we just got moments ago. d.c. mayor's older sister has died due to complications from covid-19. the mayor has released the following statement saying, in part, quote, mercia was loved immensely and will be missed greatly as she joins the legion of angels that have gone too soon due to the pandemic. keep those lost or impacted by the pandemic and those working so hard to keep us protected from it in your thoughts and prayers. she was 64 years old. an fda review finds that johnson & johnson's vaccine is safe and effective. this comes ahead of the
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vaccine's potential emergency use approval by the end of the week. the company planning to deliver 20 million doses of the vaccine by the end of march once it is approved. today white house covid coordinator announced the biden administration will deliver 25 million masks to 1,300 health centers and 60,000 food pantries and soup kitchens across the country. a new poll finds that 61% of registered voters in new york believe governor cuomo did something wrong in his handling of nursing homes this year, while only 27% believe he did not. joining me now is dr. william shafner, a cdc adviser. doctor, thank you so much for joining us again. johnson & johnson hoping to go to -- or get the go-ahead from the fda later this week. the white house covid team saying today that they would immediately roll out doses once it is approved.
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how much of a game changer would that single dose vaccine be? >> well, it would be a wonderful addition. we're all looking forward to it. you know they haven't gotten the green light yet, but we anticipate that that's going to happen. and, so, as the weeks go by in march, we hope to have more of that vaccine in addition to the pfizer and the moderna vaccine. and of course the j and j vaccine is a one and done dose. so that will make it much easier to reach more people, and it also can be handled under normal refrigerator temperatures. so we can get it out to rural areas, to clinics, doctors' offices and pharmacists. we can bring the vaccine closer to the people rather than having to bring the people to the vaccine. that will really augment our vaccination program. >> i wanted to get your thoughts on the debate about this because the biden administration has
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stuck by administering two doses of the vaccine. but shifting to administering only one dose while supplies are limited could help us stay ahead of these variants and save thousands of lives. where do you come down on this? >> so let's distinguish the two. j and j will be, i trust, an approved one dose vaccine. so let's put that aside. the debate you are referencing has to do with the pfizer and the moderna vaccines, which are two dose vaccines. and some of my colleagues would like to give everybody just one dose of that and deal with the second dose down the road. personally, i think don't rock the boat. it's going well. it would be very confusing to change those recommendations. think of all the people who have appointments now to get their second dose. what are you going to do, cancel all those appointments and say never mind we're going to give the vaccine to your neighbor.
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it would cause an uproar. let's stick with what we're doing. we will vaccinate as many people as possible as quickly as possible with special attention going to minority groups and to people of a variety of ethnic backgrounds who are still not optimally reached by this vaccine. let's concentrate on that and doing it very well. >> so fair point. based on that and based on what you know, what do you anticipate being the first normal holiday if everything as you say continues to go as planned? >> well, i'll get out my crystal ball and my high hopes. let's say thanksgiving, i hope we can have a near normal thanksgiving. and wouldn't that be wonderful? and if it comes sooner than that, i'll celebrate with everyone else. >> i was going to say, i think the country would definitely welcome that news even sooner. let's talk about the south
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african variant for a moment. it is now in 13 states, as well as d.c. how do we make sure it doesn't spread to more and we stop more mutations? >> well, the single most important things we can do are continuing to wear our masks and to do social distancing and avoiding large groups. this virus is sped just like the other coronaviruses and that's the most important thing we can do and also of course when it comes your turn, go and get your vaccine. roll up your sleeve. >> all right. always a pleasure, sir. we'll check back with you on that crystal ball prediction in november. hopefully we'll see you before that again. nbc news put together an interactive state by state guide to help you figure out when and where to get the vaccine. use your phone right now to scan that qr code on the screen. it will make you directly to the site. still ahead, the fight to
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cybereason. end cyber attacks. from endpoints to everywhere. a white house official tells nbc news that president biden is expected to speak to king solomon today after the release of a damaging intelligence report after the murder of jamal khasoggi. it is likely to shine his role. he was killed back in 2018 and earlier cia assessment concluded nbs ordered the assassination, an accusation he and the saudi government deny. joining me now is the editor in chief of foreign policy magazine. good to have you with us. so the white house press secretary jen psaki commented on how that may go earlier.
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watch this. >> he is not going to hold back, as i noted, in speaking out about concerns. of course he has the right to take action of any kind as the president of the united states, but there are also areas where we will work with the kingdom of saudi arabia on. >> so how do you think the call will go given the tension and the country's reputation for human rights abuses, both of which the u.s. failed to act upon during the trump administration? >> by all accounts, it is going to be a blunt and tough conversation, and we have seen that from all the signaling we have seen from that white house. but played that sound bite from jen psaki, but she said last week that this is a conversation that will take place between biden and his counter part, the king and not mbs who is the heir apparent. that in and of itself is remarkable. now, i think saudi arabia has
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always been the place where american values and interests have collided and washington has long tried to have it both ways to claim that it cares about human rights and democracy but also to retain saudi support given its role in politics and the global oil markets. we know that this balancing act kind of blew up during the trump presidency. so the question is now how can the biden administration recalibrate. the early signs of course are that biden will try to reassert u.s. values. i think the big question from this call and when the cia report is released is how much of it is redacted and how directly the cia and this administration chooses to tie what happened to jamal khassogi to the crown prince. >> speaking of the broader region, biden has a list of foreign leaders he's already called. the administration is clearly sending a signal, as you noted, by calling the king and not mbs
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the de facto leader of the country. but as "politico" puts it, the president has signalled to the israeli prime minister and the saudi crown prince that the sugar high of the trump years is over. so to your point that you were talking about, elaborate on what this relationship shift could mean for the region? >> well, it is going to have rippling effects across the board. biden was -- it did not call his counter part immediately after he was elected. he chose to call the leaders of canada and mexico, european leaders signaling the foreign policy priorities for his administration. but more broadly, i think, the biggest mover of his administration so far is probably, you could say, the fact that he has said that he would make south arabia the pariah it is and also declare an
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end to u.s. support of the war in yemen. so given all of those things, i think that immediately recalibrates the relationship with saudi arabia and also means then that it changes the dynamics of the relationship with iran. of course the u.s. needs saudi support in compliance and help if it is to re-enter the jcpoa relationship with rye on. and all of that is in play in the next few weeks. part of it comes down to this call and how it plays out. >> all right. thank you so much. always a pleasure. here at home, protesters took to the streets of rochester, new york, after a grand jury declined to indict the police officers involved in the death of daniel prude last year. police officers held them down after he was nakt and handcuffed when his broth r called 911 after he suffered from a psychotic episode.
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prude told them he was suffering from the coronavirus. the medical examer ruled his death was caused by complications of asphyxia in the setting of fiscal restraint and that the drug pcp was also a factor. the deaths of daniel prude, george flid and other black men and women sparked huge protests across the country. the demonstrations were mostly people but there was some violence. joining me now is chris in montgomery, alabama. let's talk about that part of it, of all of this, the protests. there is a bill over those demonstrations. it is being introduced today in the alabama legislature. what is it about? i know it is causing a lot of controversy. >> oh, yeah. so controversial. and the sponsor of it, a representative says he knew it would be, but he's a veteran of 31 years in law enforcement. and he said after the protests following the death of george floyd, he felt the laws on the books were insufficient, and he said he saw too many people
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coming in from elsewhere trying to hijack the cause. he said they were violent rioters, not protesters. but folks on the other side are very upset about this. they say protesters, legitimate protesters are consistently miscast as being violent, as being agitators, and they say this bill will deny them their first amendment and due process rights. take a look. i think we have a full screen we can show you. some of the things in this bill. penalties would be a lot harsher. they would include for people who might block an interstate. but even would -- if you were a community that was going to defund police, it would stake state money away from you. but getting a lot of attention is this 24 hour hold without bail of anyone arrested at one of these protests. take a listen to both sides. >> we cannot have them looting businesses, causing destruction of a community only to go to jail and have somebody sent in
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where wherever with the cash to bond these folks out to rejoin the fray. >> anybody who is arrested without due process will be held for 24 hours whether they're guilty or not. >> we do that already. we do it in domestics. why do we do it? there is a cooling off period. we do it in duis. >> i don't think anybody drafting this legislation knows what it's like to be black in america. >> i talked to folks with the aclu. they say this is part of a disturbing trend. they are currently tracking 60 similar bills in at least 26 different states. they say that these bills are unnecessary. they're un-american and in some cases unconstitutional. but at the building behind me, they're meeting. already has 12 supporters, and this is a super majority republican legislature, so if they want this bill to get through, it will. >> live for us in alabama. chris, thank you as always.
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still ahead, a former nypd officer is charged in the capitol hill riots, accused of going after a d.c. cop with a metal pole. we will look at the new body cam footage. plus, a minimum wage of $15 an hour could soon be a reality. we will talk to the union head next. and we have breaking news about a key nomination for the biden administration. we will tell you about that right after the break. break. se, we switched to tide plus downy free. it's gentle on her skin, and out cleans our old bargain detergent. tide pods plus downy free. safe for sensitive skin with eczema and psoriasis.
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neera tanden over her public statements and tweets. we are awaiting news on the fight to raise the minimum wage to $15. the senate parliamentarian who oversees democratic rules met with officials about whether the increase can in fact be included in president biden's covid relief package. a democratic aid tells nbc news that elizabeth mcdonna could issue a ruling today. senator, lindsey graham commented on the proposal last hour. watch. >> the minimum wage has got nothing to do with covid. zero to do with covid. it's got everything to do with their liberal wish list. but what these folks are proposing is doubling it at a time when government at the state and local level is pretty much restricting your ability to earn a living. you want a one-two punch for small businesses? this is it.
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>> joining me now is one of the country's top labor officials, the president of afl cio since 2009. great to have you with us. the senator parliamentarian there will determine the minimum wage, whether it can be considered under fast track budget rules. how confident are you feeling that this will get done? and what is your response there to senator graham? >> look, first of all, working people have waited too long for a raise. the last time the minimum wage was increased was in 2009. and the time before that was in 1999. if the minimum wage had been indexed to inflation, it would be over $24 an hour instead of the $7.25 that exists right now. so this overdue raise will do a couple of things. one, it will bolster the economy. it will reduce poverty, and it
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will ensure that working families have the baseline economic security that we deserve. look, it will benefit, according to the cbo, it will benefit 27 million workers and will lead to a ten-year increase in over $333 billion in wages. and that's for the low wage workforce, the same workforce that's borne the brunt of the covid-19 economic shocked and worked at essential jobs that have kept the economy going. so it has everything to do with those low-wage workers. >> you walked about that cbo report and you certainly highlighted the positive aspects of raising the $15 minimum wage. the move would reduce the number of people in poverty by a point nine million. what is your response to the congressional budget office saying a million people would lose their jobs if the wages increased to $15 an hour? >> well, first of all, we have
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looked at the scale of the job loss are wrong and inappropriate inflated relative to what cutting edge economic literature would indicate. the medium employment effect on the minimum wage across studies of low wage workers is essentially zero according to the latest data that we have looked at and the economic evidence from 2019. updating the minimum wage would, again, it would help with poverty, reduce poverty. it would help bolster the economy and it would ensure that working people have the baseline economic security they deserve and earned. >> you also cited the cbo data in the arguments that you made for why it should be raised to the $15 minimum wage. so why is the data valid in some points but not valid in others? >> because they used inappropriate assumptions. if you look at the cutting edge economic literature, it would tell you their assumptions are
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incorrect. we have raised the minimum wage 33 times since its inception. and every time they said it's going to cost jobs and it hasn't cost jobs. when you increase wages, and we're going to increase wages here $333 billion over a ten-year period, that's going to create demand. that demand is going to create jobs. in addition to that, the money that's created, the additional wages that are earned will help us with social security and benefit those same people that cbo says could get hurt. >> let me ask you about the white house generally. i know that you speak to the president. how frequently are you speaking to the president right now and what is he thinks about the pace of his first 100 days? >> i think he's done an incredible job so far. he's helped working people in the first five weeks more than the last administration did in four years and some of the previous administrations did over their period of time. he understands the importance of
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collective bargaining and a fair wage for working people. he understands that a paycheck is more than just bringing home money for your family. it is about dignity and respect, and he also understands that you can't get the economy under control until you get covid under control. and you can't get covid under control until you protect those front line workers. that's why he issued an order for an emergency pandemic standard to protect those workers, and we couldn't be happier about that. >> all right. afl cio president. thank you for your time. greatly appreciate it. >> thanks for having me on. still ahead, a former nypd officer is charged in an attack on a police officer defending the capitol on january 6th. we will talk with kathleen rice on the homeland security committee about the ongoing investigation into what led to the capitol hill attack. but first let's get a quick check on the markets before trading day closes. stocks are up today.
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justice department, these pictures from a officer's body cam showed thomas webster approaching a police barricade holding a metal pole with a to repeatedly swore at the police officer. the body cam photos captured webster as he raised the metal poet above his head and then struck the officer several times. after the officer was able to wrench the metal pole away, webster, in the complain, who appears to be wearing body armor charged through the barricade. they say it shows webster tackling the officer to the ground and attempting to rip off his gas mask. the officer told the doj that the chip strap was choking him
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f. leaving him unable to breathe. this shot was as others moved in, our station in new york said that during his type, webs terse was assigned to protect elected leaders, just like the officer he allegedly attacked. his lawyer says he was hit by the officer before retaliating. the lawyer also says he was attending at the behest of the president of the united states. joining me now is kathleen rice, thank you for your time. when you hear something like this, an nypd police officers, a retired one, attacking another police officers in the line of duty to protect elected officials. they literally hold the same job, to protect elected officials, yet here was it is nypd officer attacking this capitol police officers. >> yeah. you know, i hate to say this, but it's not shocking.
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let's star with the problem, okay? whether we're talking about the election, he covid or any other issue, many americans believe things that are just factually not true. the disinformation ecosystem in social and traditional media is so wideproceeded and pervasive that those who stormed the capitol truly thought they were doing the right thing. this is a terrifying reality. it poses a grave threat to our democracy. as to this individual, not only was he a retired nypd officer, he was a former marine. what we know now is that one in five of the insurrectionists who stormed the capitol on january 6th were veterans. there is a specific, targeted attempt by malicious actors online targeting veterans, because they are leaguely to be politically engaged and carry
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significant influence on issues related to patriotism, national security, defense, and public service. when you pair this vulnerable to disinformation online, with the way that, say, facebook presents information to its users by continuing to direct them to this disinformation, it's obvious that the social media platforms have to take respond for their role in, you know, continues this flood of misinformation/disinformation specifically targeted at veterans. >> to that point, i understand you sent a letter to mark zuckerberg asking for information about facebook's role in disseminating that information to veterans that ultimately contributed to the extremist ideology. you feel that social media plays a big role in the radicalization of these perpetrators, but wh
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actions do you want facebook to take? >> basically we were asking facebook -- laying out the issue there is this disinformation/misinformation campaign on social media that is targeting veterans. it's happening on social media platforms like facebook. they have been a central platform for these conspiracy theories and disinformation to spread. they have a responsibility to stop it. basically what we are saying is, tell us what algorithms you use, how is it that you direct your users -- specifically veterans -- to the information they were digesting on your platform. once we have a lay of the land there, we can go about figuring out a way to hold facebook and other social media platforms as well responsible for how they groom their users and feed them mis and disinformation. this is one of the greatest
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threats to our democracy at the present day. >> do you think there are steps that police departments and military organization can take to root out extremist behavior. they also have that paramilitary experience or military experience which could be in a situation like the riots, a very dangerous combination. >> so, look, i think everyone is responsible, right? i think it's incumbent in a post-january 6th world for organizations, law enforcement organizations, the military, to do a deep dive. look at the social media, you know, what people are following, what their members or, you know, active duty members or police officers, law enforcement personnel are looking at. by their training, they are rule followers, right? they take orders, and a lot of them who have been interviewed,
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nextists who were veteran and former law enforcement felt they were taking their marching order from the commander in chief, donald trump, who was president at the time. this is built into their dna, so we have to address this very vulnerable population and hold not just their employers responsible, whether they be the military or local law enforcement, but the social media platforms that actually allow the disinformation to be targeted directly to them. >> congresswoman rice, thank you for your time. that wraps up this hour for me. see you right back here tomorrow. "deadline: white house" with nicolle wallace starts after a quick break. nicolle wallace starts after a quick break. in. proof that i can fight psoriatic arthritis... ...with humira. humira targets and blocks a specific source of inflammation that contributes to both joint and skin symptoms.
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