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stephanie ruhle picks up our coverage right now. >> hi there, i'm stephanie ruhle live at msnbc headquarters here in new york city. it is thursday, february 25th, let's get smarter, in just one hour from now the third of three consecutive hearings on the january 6th insurrection gets under way at the capitol. but this time we'll hear from the people trying to defend against the next attack, the acting chief of capitol police and the acting house sergeant-at-arms. in her opening statement acting chief pitman is expected to say they plan to retrain officers, and streamline intelligence sharing but she's also going to defend her department insisting they did beef up security ahead of the 6th but that intelligence briefings did not identify a specific credible threat that pointed to such massive pending attack. along with that house hearing, two more confirmation hearings are on tap in the senate as the
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biden administration enter the week 6 without a full cabinet. it has been slow going. just nine of the president's nominees have been confirmed, and as of this morning the fate of at least one of them is pang hanging by a thread. i want to bring in garrett haake on capitol hill and eli stokols, white house reporter for the "new york times." garrett, let's talk about the nominees. >> reporter: that nomination is hanging on by a thread. the president should get his tenth cabinet official today, jennifer granhome expected to be confirmed this afternoon as part of the department of energy, and two other nominees moving through. committees this week seem to be on a decent path. deb holland secured the support of joe manchin, iffy leading into this week, and xavier becerra completed his run through two separate committees that are going to have to approve his nomination, he's continuing to make calls but it
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looks like democrats are lined up behind him. as for tanden, she needs at least one republican vote. she would perhaps save the nomination. the white house is discussing the possibility that they would find a different home for tanden if she can't be senate confirmed. here's the chief of staff on our air last night. >> she's a great candidate for the job, and certainly worth fighting our guts out to get her confirmed. if tanden is not confirmed -- doesn't require senate confirmation. >> lisa murkowski told reporters yesterday she has not spoken to tanden directly herself, that's probably the most watched phone call or zoom meeting on both ends of pennsylvania avenue whenever it does happen, steph. >> eli, fighting their guts out to help tanden get confirmed, what does that mean? zblit means they're not pulling
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her nomination. it's looking precarious. it's a white house seemingly determined to show democrats especially that they're not going to be pushed off the spot. the president did not budge on his relief package. or the $1,400 checks. saying isn't it time to move on? it was drag in the same interview you just played a clip from, the chief of staff ron klain said optimistically that chuck grassley the republican senator from iowa expressed he's not decided on tanden, a white house that's trying not to repeat the mistakes of the republican. possible support for the affordable care act which never happened. i don't know if they're going to get a republican, but they are not pulling this nomination until it's clear that she can't get to 50 votes and they still believe there is an outside shot she could. >> eli, you know what is not
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looking precarious, that green dream of a room you are in this morning, i do want to ask you about another hearing, the one on the insurrection, what we're getting today, how is that different from what we've been seeing all week? >> the hearing? >> yes. >> i think it's a continuation of a lot of the fact finding and a lot of things that are coming into the public record that have been obvious since january 6th which is that there was just a failure of sort of vision here, not just imaginations, but vision, to see what was in plain sight, you know this wasn't a pdb that was sort of private and with a vague, you know, note about a possible thing that was going to happen, the president was telling us what was going to happen, this was online, all over the place, there was a date, we knew -- everybody knew this was happening and it seems like what law enforcement didn't appreciate was the potential for actual violence from a gathering like this, to take that rhetoric and to be so incited by it and so i think we'll continue to get
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more information on what happened on the planning that law enforcement did, and that will take place simultaneousty as lawmakers sort of negotiate the make-up of this commission that was investigated further. >> i know senators got a briefing from the acting police chief and acting sergeant at arms last night regarding security going forward. what can you tell us? >> most of them came away frustrated. not a lot of details nor a plan for removing the fence still around the entire capitol complex, we have national guardsmen manning check points around the capitol complex. lawmakers want that gone and they'd like to see a decision made about when that happens and what perhaps might take its place but no word on that just yet, steph. >> garrett, eely, thank you both so much. i want to i think br eric swalwell, a member of the intelligence and homeland security committees. congressman, chief pitman says
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there was no specific credible threat that pointed to a massive attack on the capitol on the 6th. it's hard for people in my seat to believe that. our own reporters at nbc were putting out deep reporting pieces in thedies leading up to it saying this is what is about to happen. given that's their position, do you feel safe right now? >> i don't agree with that assessment, and i'm not going to feel safe at future events if that's how they're going to approach it. i was receiving text messages and phone calls from friends, family and constituents, in the days leading up to the event because my constituents, without access to intelligence briefings, were reading the president's tweets, they were reading the tweets and social media posts of proud boys and oath keepers that were being amplified by the president's supporters. so they knew what was coming. and by the way, this president for 18 days after he invited people to what he promised was going to be wild repeatedly,
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summoned, inflamed and incited this mob that would ultimately attack the capitol. >> if you don't buy that argument is there anything you can do about it? >> yes. certainly the speaker has brought in an outside assessor in general honoray looking at what we can do for security. the speaker is advocating we set up a september 11 style independent bipartisan outside of congress commission to look at this but of course it's the public pressure as well wanting to have access to the capitol but at the same time knowing that it's representatives, it's staff, it's police and the process of counting electoral college votes are going to be protected on important national security events. >> in this 9/11 style commission speaker pelosi said it would be comprised of seven democrats and four republicans, only giving democrats subpoena power. if this is truly about safety, and having nothing to do with partisanship, why would it be structured like that? >> well, democrats are in the majority so most committees today have more democrats on them than republicans, i think
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it's important to have republican perspective on this, but also remember that 150 plus republicans, an overwhelming majority of their house members, have voted for a process that incited this mob. and so i'm a little bit nervous about giving too much influence to members of congress who essentially are now asking to have oversight for an event that they are partially responsible for. >> let's talk about that. i heard you say yesterday that you don't think republicans who backed the president, which is basically most of them, should even participate in these hearings. if we continue to take this hyperpartisan approach are we ever going to find a path to get together especially on something as important as safety? >> i don't think it's hyperpartisan. a lot of republicans didn't back that. i'm suggesting that perhaps josh hawley and ted cruz have forfeited their right to question security precautions at
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the capitol, like allowing an arsonist to call the fire chief in after the village burns and say why didn't you do enough to protect the village? >> what's the biggest question you want answered today? >> how can we reopen the capitol as soon as possible but make sure for future national security events, like an address by the president, a foreign leader coming or the county electoral college votes, how can we protect that and have the best information to make sure the capitol is fortified when we know the attack is coming. >> you want those fences taken down, you want class trips back in the capitol? >> yes, yes, as we defeat this virus i want to see my constituents again, i miss taking pictures on the capitol steps with tourists who are there. yes, it's america's house and we want it open. >> congressman, always good to see you. thank you for joining me this morning. to breaking news that will warm at least your heart, maybe put your mind at easy, more than 100 migrant children separated from their parents by the trump administration are now officially in the process of
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being reunited with their families. jacob soboroff has been reporting on this story. valiantly for years. he has an extraordinary book on this, i highly recommend it, it's a best seller, titled "separated, inside an american tragedy," what can you tell us about these kids and their parents being reunited? >> this is extraordinarily good news but there's a lot more to do. over the first month of the biden administration 105 children's parents who had been taken by the trump administration had been not only identified but finally reached by the u.s. government, by lawyers that had been searching for them to be more precise, there are still 506 on that list of parents of children who have not yet been reached. there's also maybe even a thousand more than that, believe it or not, that are still separated due to deportation at the height of the policy. but it's a good sign. it's the first time that number has been below 545 since we all
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remember that debate exchange between president trump and now president biden when they argued very, very vocally over the policy and who was to blame. >> but -- >> again, a lot more work to do but very promising at the beginning of the biden administration. >> this is what i've been dying to ask you. you came on the show and reported about all of these kids separated from their parents and the government can't even find their parents. now that we're actually finding at least in the last month over 100 of them, were we not trying before? >> there was data and the government has acknowledged, the lawyers serging for them have acknowledged this, there was data not handed over by the u.s. government to the lawyers searching for the children and that's a documented fact in the court case, you know looking for the reunification of these children and that's because, let's just say it plainly, this was a spectacular manmade disaster by the trump administration, it did not need to happen and it didn't keep accurate data. >> that's saying it plainly. i want to ask you about this other report.
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we're hearing that the biden administration is now putting kids into temporary shelters at the border, the same shelters that the trump administration was using, and that we all criticized. what am i missing? >> yeah, they're the same -- you're not missing anything. these are the same shelters, they are not the border patrol or cvp detention facilities where i personally saw children kept in cages. that facility is under renovation and the cages won't be there any longer but these a temporary influx shelters operated by health and human services, the same ones open during the trump administration, including the homestead facility used at the height of the separations. you know, i've been saying a lot, donald trump was able to separate children from their parents like this because that infrastructure was in place. it was in place during the obama administration. and the immigration enforcement infrastructure was in place before that. if you don't like the system the way it works it's going to require a lot of work, including reforming laws like the trafficking victims protection reauthorization act and the
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florida settlement agreement and that is just not work that's been done yet, and it remains to be seen if it will be done by the biden administration. >> jacob, good to see you, important reporting. breaking news to share vice president kamala harris just arrived at a local pharmacy in d.c., not picking up prescriptions, she's promoting the federal retail pharmacy program, providing coronavirus vaccines through those local establishments getting them to more people across this country. we're going to monitor that event and bring you anything that comes out of it. nbc's exclusive sitdown with a very important person in the fight against the coronavirus. the ceo of pfizer. his warning about the new variants and what it means for those who've already had their shots. plus, more than 2.5 million women have left the work force since the pandemic began. i'll be speaking to new jersey senator cory booker what kind of child care policies get them
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"the new york times" reporting a new strain of the virus spreading rapidly throughout new york city and it may have the ability to weaken the effectiveness of current vaccines on the market, lester holt asked the ceo of pfizer about the impact of these new strains on the current vaccines. >> we will have an annual
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vaccination, likely with one dose. >> meanwhile, the nation's largest public school system in new york city plans to reopen middle schools today for in-person learning, you can hear parents cheering around this city. that is about 62,000 students who can now return to the classroom. the city still does not have a plan to reopen high schools, joining us now to discuss all of this, former cdc director dr. tom frieden. i want to ask you about this new covid strain spreading across new york city, i'm worried, are you? >> well, it's concerning. stephanie, i was just looking at the data in depth last night, and thought what's happened nationally is you've had a much more rapid decline in cases than in new york city. i don't know the reason for that. one possibility is that we have a strain that's spreading more readily here. i don't know if that's the case. the data has not been published in peer-reviewed publications yet but it does look like
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certain strains are becoming dominant for more common here and we'll have to learn more about the clinical and epidemiologic characteristics of the strains, spreading more readily, or a problem with the vaccine? the good news all of the vaccines on are coming on the u.s. market, work really, really well. so the moment you can get vaccinated the moment it's your turn get vaccinated. >> well, the johnson & johnson vaccine is lower efficacy than pfizer or moderna. so if you're somebody who is up, you get an appointment, should you hold out for the stronger one? >> absolutely not. what we're seeing is that the efficacy against severe illness and death is extremely high with all of the vaccines, 85%, 95%, 100%. we had essentially very, very, very strong protection. to give you a sense, there were, if i remember correctly, 29
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hospitalized patients in the placebo group and two in the vaccinated group. that's a huge reduction in risk. and you're always going to have a very small number of people who get the vaccine, and for whom it doesn't work. but that number does appear to be very small with all of the vaccines on or coming on the market now. so the moment it's your turn get a vaccination. the big unknown here is the variants. we don't know whether some will spread, which are able to escape the vaccine protection. and if that happens, then yes, you might need to boost your dose. we also don't know how long the immunity will last. maybe you'll need it annually, maybe every five years, ten years, we really don't know until we get the data and stephanie, one thing -- two things i'd like to say really quickly. one is that johnson & johnson is actually a very experienced vaccine production company. with no negative knock on the other companies, the others aren't. they don't make a lot of vaccines before. many of them haven't made a
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vaccine before. but j&j has. i have a lot of confidence if they say they're going to make this in time they will. the others are still honing their vaccination methods. the second is that we will not be safe in this country until we ramp up vaccination globally. that's going to mean increasing vaccine manufacturing capacity globally as well. >> but if we don't know the efficacy of the vaccines on these new strains, can we ever really get back to normal? we've been hearing more and more stories that, you know, summer 2021 is going to look more like 2019 than 2020. i'm elated over that news. but this efficacy thing has me concerned when it comes to the new strains. >> really, the strains are a wild card but right now the news really is good. cases are blumting around the u.s. and the death rate is plummeting in nursing homes. the vaccinations are saving lives even if they're not having a big impact on the number of
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cases. so the bottom line is double down on those protection protocols, wear a mask, watch your distance, avoid sharing indoor air with people not in your household. spend more time outdoors. it's wonderful outdoors, and it's healthy and safe. but get a vaccination the moment you can. wear a mask. and yes, i do think that over the summer things are going to look a lot better by fall i think we'll be back in school, full time, in person for the vast majority if not nearly everyone, and increasingly we will be getting to a new normal. we may still be telling people to wear masks if they don't feel well, wear masks for a while. and after all that has saved tens of thousands of lives from flu because the things that we do to stop covid stop flu and other infections as well. >> dr. tom frieden, always good to see you here. you always make me feel smarter and safer. hopefully a little healthier. >> thanks, stephanie. if you need vaccine information for your area we got your back.
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go to plan your vaccine.com or scan the qr code on your screen right now on the right-hand side. you will find an interactive state by state guide. you can sign up for alerts that are going to tell you when you are eligible. and we're following a developing situation in new york, involving governor andrew cuomo. a former aide accusing him of, quote, pervasive harassment during her time working for his administration. in a post on the site medium the former aide and current candidate for manhattan borough president -- saying let's say strip poker as well as kissing her on the lips when they were alone. in the essay boylan says, quote, i'm compelled to tell my story because no woman should be made to hide workplace intimidation or harassment. comeau's team denies the allegations, says as we've said before ms. boylan's claims of
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this morning we learned another -- americans applied for unemployment benefits last week, it's a big number, but less than 845,000 that was estimated. at the very same time vaccines are rolling out, cases are going down, and some jobs are coming back, really good news, but it is clear that our recovery still has a long way to go. and one of the groups that has been hit hardest, mothers. 2.4 million women have left the workforce since the pandemic began. the next covid relief bill is hoping to curb this problem but one organization is already working on it with a program aimed at ending the cycle of poverty for single moms and their kids.
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chasity lord and heather higenbottom, currently working to support and expand this program, she's got a new report instructing policy that would help us improve across the board. chasity, you've helped 4,000 mothers and children. how are you doing it? >> stephanie, thank you so much for the invitation this morning, happy to be here. in a lot of ways the pandemic has laid bare what my program has known for the past 20 years in the seven cities we have locations is that generational poverty is not an economic issue, it's actually a social justice one. you can't have an unjust housing system without an unjust public educational system. you can't have an unjust criminal justice system without an unjust health justice system and our moms sit at the nexus. as you were mentioning disproportionately the pandemic has impacted women,
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disproportionately single women, disproportionately blacks, brown, latin x and indigenous women, 80% of the moms are women of color. what do they need in this moment? there's a poverty tax on this moment. everybody's experiencing the pandemic, yes, stephanie, but the truth of the matter is the storm is different for each of us depending on our boat, some have yachts, some have canoes and the 900 moms and kids we're sporting rite now are actually drowning. they know the social safety net before the pandemic was deeply frayed and within the context of the pandemic it has actually unravelled. there's a poverty tax on this moment. so when you think about responses, yes, we need the immediate band-aids like stimulus but we also need long-term policy, investments like rent stabilization, and assistance, we need workforce development and investment for emerging jobs and careers.
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we need to look at shifting the conversation from making sure that kids are safe to high quality early childhood opportunities during the most critical years. our moms are great moms. what they need is our social safety net to be responsive of a long-term and short-term strategy. >> what does your program do? >> our program centers and supports single moms and their kids to disrupt the cycle of generational poverty. we do that through five key lever -- the single mom returning to school, the college or university, to not just attend but to persist and graduate, ensuring that their children are also developing during the critical years, creating a space for coaching, leadership development coaching for one on one engagement around goals, professional development, it really is creating this social safety net to really move the conversation from getting a job, graduating, to really how
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do you reimagine for your families, your communities and your country. you do that by having long-term strategies and shifts where you don't just desire to be tables of positional power, stephanie, you want to influence the agenda. >> heather, chastity's program works but it's a nonprofit. this is philanthropy. philanthropy can't fix our system. we can't get out of the crisis with one off programs. what kind of policy do we need to actually turn this? >> you know, stephanie, we believe that business has a responsibility now more than ever to use all of its resources, to address some of these really pressing societal issues that chastity laid out so well. so our research and data are looking at both short-term, what's working and how do we support people through this crisis but longer term how do we drive to a more equitable recovery? >> what does that look like? >> that includes enhanced skills
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training, better jobs, higher wages. as chastity pointed out too many families have been not resilient, living on the edge. we need to look at how we reform those programs that support them, we need to understand things like the fact that student loan debt, one in four families pays more than 7% of their income each month on student loan debt. that's more than they pay on health care, fuel, basic necessities. if that's the kind of system we have it's so hard for women like the ones chastity works with to really thrive. one of the things that we know is that women and women of color have been disproportionately impacted in the pandemic. our research has shown that child care responsibilities, the extent to which they've dropped out of the work force and in sectors hardest hit and may not come back. >> chastity, tell us about the women you've helped. and something we haven't talked about, we know that we've lost 500,000 americans. how many children have lost their only parent, their only
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caregiver, their breadwinner in their family? >> you're absolutely right and, you know, as heather was talking about, where this pandemic has disproportionately hit, the women that we're supporting and serving are overwhelmed, frankly, what does it mean for the jobs that you are supplementing your college education, retail, hospitality, whether it was direct service. and to know that those hours have been cut and in some places those businesses no long er exist. how do you simultaneously support your child who is in remote learning? in a school system that was frayed before the pandemic. and so we understand that remote learning is also frayed. how do you deal with the inconsistencies of opening and closing of child development centers and early child, having to cut the ratios and so maybe not even being able to be supported within that.
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how do you also stay in conversation with your own college persistence in graduation, it is frankly overwhelming. so how do you make sure and one of the things that we have really been focusing on, what are those investments that we can make regarding supplemental child care during weekend courses and evening courses, how do we actually provide mental health services during this critical time, how do we increase the concrete things, stephanie, like the data infrastructure so that, you know, three people in your house can be online at the same time. how do you make sure that you have the tools necessary? we've provided private tutoring because you're talking about a classroom that was overstaffed before the pandemic. you put those 30 kids on a camera. and you're talking about the summer melt. we're talking about the fall melt of learning. making sure our moms have access to the tools and resources to be able not to just survive this moment but to thrive. it was already frayed before the pandemic. it is frankly overwhelming and
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that is the role that we are really passionate about here, jeremiah program, the role of policy. what is the long-term strategy to ensure that we aren't just moving from one hiccup to the next, what's the long-term strategy to ensure we are holding this next generation of moms, of families, how do we make sure we have the tools and resources to thrive? >> chastity -- >> you can tell i'm not passionate about this. >> chastity, heather, thank you both. this is the reminder. i realize this is a k shaped recovery. there's a lot of americans who have saved a ton this year. their houses are worth more. they're quietly doing really well. please do not forget the other portion of americans who are in dire situations. make this the year and the moment you think about your neighbors. you think about strangers. we've only got one country. ladies, thank you both for joining me this morning. we're going to turn to wall street. this morning everybody's watching this name again.
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gamestop. yup, you heard that right. after the stock closed out more than 100% yesterday there was even temporary halt on trading it's not exactly clear what was behind the surge, this time there was a whole lot of chatter on the reddit forum that started this whole thing, so much chatter that reddit suffered some outages as the stock spiked. this also comes as the company's cfo is stepping down and a board member, the co-founder of chewy is trying to shift this company to e-commerce, and e-commerce has certainly worked for chewy and the reddit crowd likes it. helping women get back in the workforce. fed chair jay powell said in a hearing yesterday that better child care policies from the government would help. we do not have affordable child care in the united states. i'll be speaking to senator cory booker with a proposal to expand the child tax credit to lift 10
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breaking overnight, according to three sources the biden administration is going to release an intelligence reported to that concludes saudi crown prince mohammad bin salman, you know him as mbs, approved the brutal murder of "washington post" reporter jamal khashoggi. former president trump refused to make this public. ken has been looking at this story. what did you learn? >> it's a big deal. it exposes a stark conflict between american interests and american values. saudi arabia is an important u.s. ally, counterterrorism ally
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and an bulwark in our efforts to prevent iran from getting nuclear weapons. the biden administration can't stop dealing with saudi arabia. but president biden had to confront the fact that the crown prince of the country mbs ordered the brutal murder of a journalist who wrote columns for the "washington post." i've talked to people who have listened to the tape of that killing and they said it was absolutely grim and so president trump's answer to this was simply to ignore the intelligence, pretend it didn't exist after all the cia made this assessment back in 2018 and trump continued to deal with mbs, biden is not going to engage with mbs, he's going to deal with his father the king. but he's -- and he's cut off military aid to saudi arabia's war in yemen, which is causing a lot of humanitarian crisis but biden can't completely sever the relationship. we're still going to give them military aid and the biden administration is engaging.
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>> any idea how the saudi government is going to respond to this? >> that's the big question. so publicly they may be very measured but it's what they could do behind the scenes, a lot of experts say you can't not deal with mbs, he's actually running the country. he is the sort of managing director of saudi arabia and they can make a lot of mischief behind the scenes and the biden administration is going to have to carefully calibrate how it deals with saudi to talk more but we've got more breaking news i know you are going to be reporting on soon, the manhattan district attorney's office just got former president trump's taxes, and underlying tax documents, oh, i know i want to see them, a spokesperson tells nbc news they are now in cy vance's hands, this all came about it have supreme court declined to stop their production following an emergency application from trump's attorneys.
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welcome back, we've got a lot of breaking news this morning and you're in luck. we've got senator cory booker from my home state of new jersey here with us. senator, we've got a lot to cover, i want to first get your reaction to the news that cy vance now has former president trump's taxes. what's your reaction to that? >> i think that america should have had his taxes, more than four years ago when he was a candidate. i think we should pass federal legislation, mandating that a president must release their tax returns. it has severely compromised in their international engagements. in business dealings. we just don't know it.
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what happened with donald trump was wrong. and as far as the criminal investigation into his activities i think is perfectly right and just that the former president of the united states should not be above the law. >> i also have to ask you about new reporting coming out about the killing killing of jamal kh that potentially says that nbs, himself, approved of this killing. what do we need to do about this? >> hold him accountable. i understand he's a critical partner on a lot of fronts in the least. but i have a real problem with their human rights violations or all the facts surrounding this case. there needs to be accountability. we cannot just turn our blind eye to some kind of tragic killing, especially because of the chilling reality for the media. and for what that means. we have people being put into prison all across this country, from russia, turkey, for so-called fake news.
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it's a way to suppress democracy, democratic ideals and this is serious and it should be treated thus. >> what does accountability look like? >> well, again, i'm on the foreign relations committee. we are talking about sanctions. we are talking about real economic consequences for what's going on. and i've had trouble with our policies when i was in saudi arabia for a long time, from their impact on the war in yemen, which is one of the greatest humanitarian crises on the planet right now and the horrible, horrible outbreaks of cholera and famine. these are things that saudi arabia is directly implicated in and we as a country should be acting justly and i don't think this will be a time when you won't hear those voices from me and others on the foreign relations committee. >> senator, i want to now ask you, the reason i invited you on today, as part of president biden's stimulus package, the american family act is included. this is something you have been championing from the beginning.
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talk to us about the expanding the child tax credit. what will that do for our country? >> first of all, i want to say thank you for being so focused on this issue. it has not given the attention it should. we should have a rest stop on the turnpike named after you. this is the biggest thing. i know people float 1,400 checks and more. the tax credit with the potential to make it permanent, which means senators brown and bennett are fighting for it, it has a transformative impact. i see, this will cut child poverty for what is there, virtually half of the united states of america. every dollar we invest in doing this saves taxpayers about $7. because kids were brought up above the poverty line have lower healthcare expenses and lower involvements with the law. so this is exciting to me.
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and i could actually believe it will be the biggest cut of child poverty any administration has done in the history of the united states of america. so all of us should be excited about this, because there are a lot of families that make below $60,000 a year that don't collect right now the full child tax credit. so by making it automatically refundable, issuing it in monthly chunks, will have a different impact on the majority of american families. >> yes. even if we didn't increase the amount, making it actually available to people who are qualified for it. that seems like it should be an automatic. but one of the issues for some of your republican colleagues is expanding it. people like marco rubio say making more money is advancing welfare without a work requirement. what do you say about that? >> i counter marco rubio with a mitt romney who talked about
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expandingiment. as with other colleagues of mine. i am tired of this old republican song from not all republicans that really is making us less competitive globally. all of our major economic competitors from canada to germany to japan have child tax credits or child allowances that lift their children out of poverty. when you lift the child out of poverty, you feel your economy, because the most valuable natural resource in a global knowledge-based economy, it's not oil, gas, coal, it is the genius of your children. american children are falling further and further bebehind of our competitors because they don't get the nurturing start. we know everything from child care, top pre school to other costs, the average working class family spends about $10,000 a year per child on the child costs that we have. that means, for most families making 45/$55,000 a year, it
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puts them in serious financial straits. so we got to be internationally competitive again and fought have the worst poverty rates in the richert nation among developed countries. look at the data, canada's expansion of the child allowance has not created more what is the old republican thing welfare queens or what have you. it's actually seen a measurable impact on their child's success in life. >> i want to ask you something about in your state, for years, you have been pushing for the legalization of marijuana. really as a broader part of criminal justice reform. how does it feel that it has been done this week? >> so i want everybody to understand, it is not about use. that is to me really important. i'm for it. i have been on this for many congresses ago. for me it has been about the restorative justice elements. number one, nobody should say we
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should legalize marijuana and expunge the arrests. in 2019 there were nor marijuana possession arrests in america than all violent crimes lined. it was disproportionate of poor people and people of color and veterans. we have people that can't get jobs and business license for doing thing that two of the last four presidents admitted to doing. so what new jersey has just done has made at this time top state in america, in restorative justice in marijuana. they're expunging record, they're reinvesting the tax dollars into those communities that have been disproportionately attacked by the drug war, which is a war on people and finally this billion dollar industry. remember then e when they ended prohibition among alcohol, incredible wealth created. new jersey said le will set aside to make sure a third of those businesses will be veterans, disabled veterans.
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we have been with minorities. we won't lock them out of this industry, like we seen practices historically in the past. it's exciting. though, jersey leads this nation to a better way and drug war. >> there is never a day i don't want to end this show going, go jersey. i want to rename cheesecake. that wraps up this hour. i'm stephanie ruhle. ally jackson picks up breaking news coverage next. ruhle. ally jackson picks up breaking news coverage next if you need the key to fresh laundry
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