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their military advantage and really go forward and try to take over kabul, which is the worst case scenario some of the critics have been talking about today. >> missy ryan, who broke the news today about the expected announcement tomorrow that the war in afghanstan will finally end, thank you for being with us. i really appreciate it. again, and keep in mind that as big of news as this is, and i know that afghanstan is sometimes called forgotistan, it's been an ongoing u.s. war for 20 years. but for american military veterans and families, the end of this war is a really big deal. particularly people who have served in that conflict over the past 20 years.
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it ending, and u.s. troops leaving full stop, the only troops left behind will be those to protect the embassy. it's something that has been more than long awaited. and it's just an historic moment. i'm looking forward to the president's remarks tomorrow. that's it for us. i'm for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." good evening, lawrence. >> good evening. this historic speech by the president tomorrow night, we'll have to handle both tomorrow night, that's for sure. >> exactly. exactly. thanks, lawrence. >> thank you, rachel. we're one hour away in tonight's curfew in brooklyn center, minnesota. last night, protesters remained on the streets there for hours after the 7:00 p.m. curfew. they're already on the streets tonight. 40 people were arrested last night. tonight, 2,000 national guard troops are there, supporting the small brooklyn center police
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department, which now has only 47 members after the police chief resigned and officer kim potter submitted her resignation today, two days after she fired a bullet into the chest of 20-year-old daunte wright, killed by that gunshot. officer potter is heard on video saying taser, taser, before firing her gun. then she seemed to realize she had fired a bullet instead of her taser. then she said, holy crap, i shot him. those words appearing as headlines all over the country. her letter of resignation said she decided it was in the best interests of the community. joining us now, nbc news correspondent ron allen. what is the situation there now? >> reporter: it's very tense, lawrence. it's been getting more so by the minute over the past half hour
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or so. we've heard repeated warnings from the state police telling them this has become an unlawful assembly, and they must disperse. we've seen a constant volley of projectiles going over the fence at police headquarters. and there's a significant national guard presence of what look like soldiers in combat fatigues. we also see some heavy armored equipment. big trucks. and earlier today, we saw a significant number of troops coming in to back up the police here. so far, again, a lot of back and forth, a lot of warnings. the main concern that the police seem to have at this point, one big concern is that there is a fence there, where you see the two blinking yellow lights over there. there's a fence that guards, it blocks a driveway that goes up into the police compound.
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there's a big armored vehicle parked there with a number of -- with a long line of police and national guard behind it. it's an area where the demonstrators have been coming up and shaking the fence, and trying to get in. or trying to rattle the police. and that is, it looks like an area of vulnerability. as well as the constant stream of projectiles going into the compound. earlier today, the police made it clear that last night, they felt they were patient. they described being shelled, and they waited as long as they could. they couldn't take it any more, then they moved out. last night, and tonight, they've told people to move north, in that direction.
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a phalanx of officers moved out to clear the street, and that's what we expect tonight. the curfew is at 10:00 p.m., but they've already declared this unlawful. some of the protesters are trying to hold their ground. yes, there are people leaving. i saw a woman with a young child walking away. there are families out here, all kinds of people out here from all different walks of life. i met a high school student who said she was going to try and stay as long as she could. that gives you a sense of the level of outrage and passion about what has happened in this community. and while the officer and chief resigned today, that creates some level of satisfaction. but they want to see criminal charges. you see the crowd stirring even
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more, getting restless. i can see now, the police are outside of the compound. they've walked out on to the street, and now i would expect that the crowd is going to start coming this way in greater numbers. we'll probably have to move back. you see a big plume of smoke which is probably tear gas. let's prepare to start moving, because the crowd is moving. watch your step. okay. the crowd is going to come with us here. and i can smell the irritant i the air already. this has been going on all night. interestingly, the city council passed a resolution, keep going, watch your step. you're on a curb. okay. let's go back. the city council passed a resolution last night forbidding the police, prohibiting them
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from using tear gas, rubber bullets, to tone this down. but this is apparently what is happening again, rubber bullets and tear gas into the crowd. the police have become very forceful. we can see they're moving out into the street. >> ron, does the city council's action does not control what the national guard does. does it just control what the brooklyn center police department tactics are? >> reporter: it doesn't seem to control much of anything, lawrence. and the leadership of this community is in turmoil. the police chief is out. the city manager is out as of yesterday. the deputy has taken over, and the city manager was more directly involved in control of the police. the mayor is now -- back up a little bit. the mayor -- there's a car
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coming. the mayor is now in control. and the mayor is the one who said the officer should have been fired immediately. he's taken a very hard line. he's the one who said there should not be fireworks and tear gas. and heavy-handed tactics by the authorities. but again, they're out in the street there. you can see they've taken their position. move this way, because there's a car trying to get out. move that way. there you go, there you go. all right. so now we wait, lawrence. and we see how long this takes. last night, it took a couple of hours before the police moved up about a quarter mile in that direction and cleared out this entire area. there's a big parking lot behind us. there are a lot of cars now trying to get out of the way. there's a strip mall over here, all the buildings, all the
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retail stores, a beauty salon, a dollar store, a pizza place, they're all boarded up tight because there was a significant amount of looting over the last couple of nights. but they're boarded up and abandoned at the moment. the fireworks going up, those seem to be harmless fireworks. but there are certainly projectiles going across the street into the police compound. and the police clearly have had enough of this, and they're starting an aggressive push to try to clear this area out. lawrence? >> ron, thank you very much for that report. we'll come back to you throughout the hour as the news develops. the brooklyn center city council has tried to take over the situation there yesterday by firing the city manager and granting control over the police department to mayor mike
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elliott. >> i'm hoping this will bring some calm to the community. although ultimately people want justice, they want full accountability under the law. so that's what we're going to continue to work for. we have to, you know, make sure that justice is served. justice is done. >> brooklyn center is a northern suburb of minneapolis. and just miles away, the jury completed the 12th day of the trial of derek chauvin for the murder of george floyd. one of the jurors lives there. today, the family of george floyd stood in solidarity with the family of daunte wright. wright's mother recounted her phone conversation with daunte
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wright. >> she was crying and screaming. and my son was laying there, unresponsive. that was the last time that i seen my soon. the last time i heard from my son. and i've had no explanation since then. >> george floyd's brother said this. >> it's a time for change. and that time is now. minneapolis, you all all can't sweep this under the rug. we're here. and we'll fight for justice for this family, just like we're fighting for our brother. >> wright's aunt said this about her nephew. >> my nephew was a lovable young man. his smile. oh, lord, the most beautiful
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smile. y'all took that. my nephew's blood is on your hands! >> did y'all not see my little great nephew? did y'all not see that beautiful baby? he's fatherless. not over a mistake. over a murder. >> joining us now, josie duffy rice, president of the appeal, and jalani cobb, professor at columbia university. josie, let me begin with you and your reaction to the developments in brooklyn center today. >> yeah, i mean, i think it's good news, right, that this officer resigned. i think it's smart that the police chief resigned. and i think the fact that we're looking at possible charges is an important step in the system that we currently have.
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but i really want to push back on the idea that that is justice. the mayor, all due respect to him, mike elliott said they're looking for justice. justice is impossible in this case. daunte wright is dead. and there is no way to bring him back. when we see situations like this, where a person loses their life by state violence, i am wary of terms like justice. because there is no actual way to ensure justice for a family that just senselessly lost their son, their father, their nephew. >> professor cobb, you're out there in the area. what has your day been like there, and what is your reaction to what we're witnessing tonight? >> well, i mean, i've been here since last week. and i was here to cover the
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chauvin trial, which is now obviously another story that has emerged in the context of it. when you talk with people, the thing you heard across different boundaries, backgrounds, race, et cetera, is that everyone agreed there would be violence if chauvin was acquitted. nobody saw this coming. and on sunday, when i first heard about what happened, i headed out to brooklyn center. and what amazed me, that first night, there were about 400 people out there in front of the police station. for something that had just happened a few hours earlier, i thought that really represented how high the tensions have been in this community and surrounding communities in the context of this trial taking place. >> and josie, as the trial proceeds, the chauvin trial proceeds, with this new case
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developing at the same time, they're obviously inextricably wed, with the families' appearance today evidence of that. >> absolutely. we know that we're talking about a history of police violence in minneapolis, and the surrounding areas. but across the country, right, that is decades old. the fact that, like jelani said, the fact that daunte wright was killed in the middle of this trial is, you know, both a coincidence and also inevitable. this is the pattern of police violence in this country. what it tells us is that derek chauvin is on trial, and that is important. but it also indicates that derek chauvin is far outside the standard deviation of what is acceptable behavior in police departments across the country. and i think that's wrong.
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what we saw because of what happened to daunte wright, philando castile and others, this is a pattern. this death and brutality is a pattern in policing in this country. and it needs to be eradicated from the ground floor to really address the rot in the profession writ large. >> professor cobb, what was the reaction when the minneapolis star-tribune was quoting the police officer saying, oh, i shot him. that was the headline, basically, the accident explanation for how daunte wright was shot and killed? >> let me tell you, i've been
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talking to community members, activists, and people all day. i think that that statement really did not sit well. people were very angry to hear that. when they started first hearing this yesterday, there was an immediate rejection, saying this was not any kind of accident. trying to understand how someone could mistake a taser for a firearm, pointing out that this is a person with 26 years of experience on the force. by no means, i think that that explanation only exacerbated the tensions. and one thing, i was at george floyd square today, the area surrounding where mr. floyd died last year. they have converted it into a civic space called george floyd square. and there, on the street, are
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the spray-painted names of dozens of people who have died at the hands of police, victims of police violence. i went there to look for one thing, and early this morning, there was in red and black spray paint, the name daunte wright on that street. >> professor cobb and josie duffy rice, thank you for starting our discussion. we appreciate it. we're going to go to cal perry, live in brooklyn center. what is the situation there now? >> reporter: lawrence, things have dropped into a little bit of a lull. the police came out of that compound, they did bring at least one armored vehicle out. the crowd has whittled down to a few dozen, maybe 100 people. and the people that remain seem pretty set on having a confrontation with police. in the last ten minutes, we've seen less throwing of bottles
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and less response from police. it's sort of a standoff here where we saw the clashes last night. >> what do we expect to change when the curfew hits at the top of the hour? >> reporter: that is definitely something the police have to make a ruling on. if this crowd stays quiet, it's hard to imagine they would run through this crowd like they did last night and cause another confrontation. you can hear, they're giving final warnings to the crowd. this is now the warning for the media, we've been sliding back as the crowd slides back. one of the concerns that the police are going to have, the folks blocking the street. these vehicles sort of pull out. there will be this hail of bottles being thrown at police. police are now moving down the street. but again, as you said, lawrence, the curfew coming up
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at the top of the hour. it was three hours earlier last night. i think the hope was not only the time but the weather. it's been cold and raining here. it would keep people from coming out on the street. and it is a smaller crowd tonight. >> cal perry, thanks for the report. we'll come back to you as the hour continues. and today, just ten miles from where those protesters are tonight, the defense began presenting its case in the trial of derek chauvin for the murder of george floyd. after six witnesses completed their testimony today in the defense of derek chauvin, no real defense of derek chauvin's conduct emerged from that testimony. some of the witnesses called by the defense did not want to help the defense, like george floyd's former girlfriend, who was in the backseat of george floyd's car when the police approached george floyd. she testified that when she ran into him in the cup foods store, he was happy, normal, talking,
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and alert. some of the witnesses appeared neutral, like the retired police officer who was asked about the time he arrested george floyd in 2019. the arrest was shown on police body cam video. showing george floyd complying with police orders and being handcuffed. evidence that in no way helped the defense, because it showed how cooperative george floyd could be in that situation. some witnesses clearly wanted to help the defense. like minneapolis police officer peter chang, who was across the street and was never a part of the action himself. so here is how he tried to help the defense. >> as mr. floyd and the officers were across the street, did you notice any changes in the area? >> yeah. there was a crowd.
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and the crowd was becoming more loud and aggressive. a lot of yelling across the street. >> aggressive. he said that to a jury who had already seen multiple videos of the small group of bystanders that were not really a crowd, and were never aggressive. the witness who tried to help the most, a self-proclaimed use of force expert from montana, who served in the united states park police and the santa rosa police department in california, which has less than one third the police officers of the minneapolis police department. barry braun offers himself as an expert witness for hire in cases like this. he first offered his services to the prosecution, but the defense decided to pay him for testimony like this.
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>> can you just briefly overview your opinions in this particular case. >> i felt that derek chauvin was justified, was acting with objective reasonableness, following minneapolis police department policy in his interactions with mr. floyd. >> a jury has rejected braun's testimony in another high profile murder trial of a police officer. he testified as a hired witness for the defense in the murder trial of jason van dyke for the murder of la quan mcdonald. the jury rejected his testimony and convicted the officer of first degree murder and aggravated battery. and after the jury last week heard expert medical testimony from dr. martin tobin, who said the fact that someone can speak is not proof that they can
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breathe, barry braun actually said this. >> somebody saying they can't breathe, yet it appears to me they're taking full breaths and are shouting. to me, as a layperson, they can breathe. >> after testifying under oath that derek chauvin did not use deadly force on george floyd, even though george floyd died from that force, barry braun denied that any force was used on george floyd. the jury didn't need cross-examination to know how false that was. but the prosecution did crush every point barry braun was paid to make on the witness stand today. >> you said it was unlikely to produce pain. now you just said it could produce pain. and so regardless of the officer's intent, if this act that we're looking at here in
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exhibit 17 could produce pain, would you agree that what we're seeing here is a use of force? >> shown in this picture, that could be a use of force. >> joining us now, kirk burkhalter, director of the 21st century policing project. and marq claxton, both former nypd police detectives. professor, let me begin with you. what was your reaction to the first day of the presentation of the defense's case? >> lawrence, there really weren't any surprises here. we knew the theory of the defense, that chauvin was justified and the other thing that we'll see that will not be a surprise, that they'll find a medical expert who would testify that george floyd did not die
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from asphyxiation. and for the right amount of compensation, you can find someone who will testify that day is night and night is day. but what was surprising was the lack of credibility with regard to the defense's witness. in all due respect, perhaps that is because the prosecution's witnesses, the overwhelming majority, were so extremely credible. and i guess the defense possibly just could not locate or find a witness who was willing to testify on their behalf to match the credibility of the prosecution's witnesses. further, the witness, the retired police officer, the use of force expert, the prosecution was really able to get him to walk back so many statements. what i did find surprising was
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the kind of don't believe your lying eyes defense. so after we've seen this video so many times, we've had so many medical professionals, use of force professionals, and police officers and the chief of the minneapolis police department testifying, going through the film, and show how derek chauvin's actions were not justified. how someone could literally get on the stand and say, i saw no problem with the use of force. a use of force that resulted in the death of a man who was handcuffed. so once again, i was somewhat surprised that you could actually get that out without even a smirk or a smile. so i don't know how well the jury will buy that. i think the overwhelming weight of the evidence is in favor of the prosecution. but i suspect that we will continue to see these types of witnesses over the course of the week. >> marq, your reaction to this.
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>> i found myself wining as i listened to the defense expert witnesses. there were so many inconsistencies and things that came up. and their perspectives were clearly slanted and tilted. and quite subjective. and not based in science. and really was exposed in two ways, one, by the prosecutors having their expert witnesses in abundance. some people said it was overkill. but now we realize how important it was, because their testimony, as clear and concise. you had expert witnesses who were directly involved with training, who engaged in conducting the training, who established training protocols, who have dealt with use of force, whose credentials were
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beyond questioning. and then for us today to have these witnesses come up, with really their hypothetical conclusions and opinions, it was really glaring. i found myself wincing and finding it difficult to make my way through, even though it was short. and i was thanking god for that. >> let's listen to more of mr. broad, the so-called expert in practices and police training. this is where he actually used the phrase, resting comfortably to describe the position george floyd was in, being crushed face down into the pavement. >> a compliant person just be resting comfortably, versus still moving around. >> did you say resting comfortably. >> or laying comfortably. >> resting comfortably on the pavement?
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>> yes. >> at this point in time, he's attempting to breathe while he's shoving his shoulder into the pavement. attempting to breathe while restrained is being slightly noncompliant? >> no. >> no. >> professor, that's the kind of moment you were talking about, where the defense witness then ends up complying with prosecution cross-examination, if we can refer to it that way. >> absolutely. the prosecution on cross there, that was effective. he capitalized, or jumped on what this witness stated. resting comfortably, you can't let that pass by. didn't get excited about it. but was able to follow up with questions. and get the witness to really think about what he was saying. and this is quite a contrast to
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what we saw last week. the witnesses were prepared, and they were thoughtful about their responses. and as a matter of fact, the defense was unable to get them to walk back their responses. it's just the quality of the witness the defense had. some of the statements were somewhat laughable. marq touched on, there were many who stated that the prosecution's case last week was overkill. however, the prosecution had two things to accomplish. one, present their case. and two, present kind of a preemptive strike. rebutting these types of arguments that were going to be made by the defense. that's why we saw so many witnesses. and finally, giving the jury an opportunity to see what a credible witness looks like and what a witness looks like who is probably less credible. >> marq, we learned in court that one of the jurors lives in
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brooklyn center, the area we're sharing the screen with tonight, with the protests that are going on there. and that juror is now living under the curfew in place. now that curfew has moved basically to cover the whole region, minneapolis, st. paul. so now most of the jurors are probably living under a curfew for a case involving police use of deadly force. which in the public evidence available in their community right now says was an accident, a mistake made by the police officer. how do you expect that to impact the jury hearing this case? >> i'm sure there will be, i'm sure there will be some impact. but if we deal with it honestly, these demonstrations and what has occurred over the past couple of days are really an extension of the same issue and same problem we find ourselves trying to confront during the course of this trial.
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of former officer chauvin. the same elements, the same concerns, the same nature of anger and frustration. if this is the reality that citizens have to live in, they have to get out and demonstrate and express their frustrations that government is not listening or places them in additional harm's way, that's the reality of it. and you have to be able to function accordingly. as a juror, you have certain responsibilities. the voir dire should have sorted this out, you have to remain fair-minded. but you can't be removed from society, especially when something like this is going in front of your door. >> we really appreciate both of you being here. we're going to squeeze in a
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break. daunte wright's aunt talking about her connection with the george floyd family. we're going to squeeze in a break, and we'll be back right after this.
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when daunte wright's family was joined in mourning and protest by george floyd's family today, daunte wright's aunt said this. >> i wear this shirt and the craziest thing was to find out today that my family has connections to this man, to this family. his girlfriend was a teacher for my nephew. >> my lord. >> joining us knew, eugene robinson. and carmen best, former seattle
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police chief. chief best, let me begin with you tonight. and your reaction to what you're seeing in brooklyn center, minnesota, tonight. >> lawrence, not surprisingly, another night of civic unrest. with people protesting and demonstrating, their first amendment rights. in regards to what can only be called a horrible and tragic day today, and actually the day before as well. so right now, a lot of folks, it sounds like, are still out. officers are out. the national guard is there. i've lived through these moments myself in seattle last year, right after the murder of george floyd. and certainly, i understand the anger and angst of crowds as they come out to protest.
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there will be those who will stick it out and will not want to go in, and will want to continue to demonstrate their anxiety, angst, and anger over what has occurred. hopefully they can do it peacefully. it tends to settle some people down, who want to follow the rules, so they'll leave at curfew. we'll see what happens, but sounds like it's calming down a little bit. >> gene robinson, people participaing in this new tragedy that has occurred in their community, as the derek chauvin trial goes on. >> it's all the same thing,
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really. it's the way black communities in particular are policed in this country. it is the crisis in policing in this country. it's police departments that see policing as something you do to a community, rather than with a community. and that is fundamental, and that fundamentally has to change. that's what this whole past year has been about. and how ironic and tragic that in the middle of the trial of derek chauvin for murdering george floyd, we have ten miles away, this bitter, bitter illustration of the fact that things have not changed. and that there is still so much work to do. so much that has to be done. >> gene robinson and carmen
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michael brown was shot six times by police officer darren wilson, who watched michael brown die from those gunshot wounds in the street. a local district attorney's presentation of evidence to a grand jury there resulted in no criminal charges in the police killing of michael brown. ferguson is a suburb of st. louis, which last week elected tishara jones as the city's first black woman mayor. she will take the oath of officer on april 20th. joining us now, tishara jones, mayor-elect of st. louis, missouri. thank you for joining us. this is a night where you're sharing a screen with the kinds of stresses that cities are facing across this country because of the way that police officers have been using deadly force.
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what is your reaction to the situation in brooklyn center tonight, and the minneapolis area generally, and how they're trying to maintain the peace with a combination of a curfew and a very large police presence there? >> lawrence, thank you for having me. it's an honor to be here with you. first, my condolences to the family of daunte wright. as a mother of a black son, i know all too often how fearful mothers can be when their sons leave their house. my son and i had the talk one too many times, too many times for me to remember. and to watch this energy in brooklyn center, minnesota, reminds me of ferguson. and i know that many of my friends who were front line protesters are having some traumatic experiences watching this play over and over and over again. and it's bringing back memories
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of the times that they spent on the streets of ferguson. >> i believe your son is 13 years old. how old was he when you first had your talk with him? >> he was about 6 or 7. because he goes to school in an all-white suburb. and i had to remind him that, you know, that these things can happen when, if a police officer pulls you over. and he told me at about 10, when he was walking with some friends in their neighborhood, they were stopped and asked questions by police. fortunately, they continued to go. but that was his first memory of feeling afraid when a police officer approached him. >> what does it mean, and what do you hope it will mean to policing in st. louis now that you will be the city's first black woman mayor? >> one of the things i said
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during my campaign is that we can't reform our way out of this. we have to transform our public safety systems. and one of the things that hit me like a ton of bricks is again through another talk i had with my son. when he found out that i was running when he found out i was running for mayor, how the mayor is over the police, he said, well, that means that i'll be safe. and how many children does that happen to where their mother becomes the mayor and then all of a sudden they feel safe? that's a one in a million chance. and his mother should not have to become mayor for him to feel safe when he encounters law enforcement. >> what help do you think mayors need around the country especially from washington on how to improve policing? >> you know, i think that president biden is headed in the right direction with some of the things he's trying to do with the executive orders. our gun laws are really out of
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control. let me be clear. i do support responsible gun ownership but america has seen to take it to another 11. you don't need an amp r-15 to hunt deer. we have to make sure our gun laws responsible. it takes it away from the people who don't need to own them. we are experiencing, it seems like every week that we see a new mass shooting on our televisions. and unfortunately, we've developed a callus that we shouldn't as a response to watching our people lose their lives at the hands of gun violence. >> we are just minutes away from the curfew officially going into place in minneapolis. the whole minneapolis area including brooklyn center, the first to have a curfew. you saw ferguson, missouri under a curfew for quite a while living under those protests and
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the police responses there. have we learned anything in the last five years about how cities and police departments can handle these protests? >> obviously not. because st. louis city has experienced its own form of violating people's first amendment rights during protests. we are just weeks away from a verdict where offduty police officer was beaten by his colleagues during a protest in 2017 in st. louis. so we have to get away from this old arrest incarcerating model. that is the only thing that will keep us from having these situations over and over again. sns st. louis mayor-elect tishaura jones. >> thank you for having me. >> when we come back, we'll have more live coverage from brooklyn
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a curfew is about to go into effect just minutes from now at 10:00 p.m. local time in brooklyn center, minnesota. the neighboring cities have joined that curfew after protests in brooklyn center last night continued after the curfew of 7:00 p.m. joining us now msnbc news digital national reporter, deon hampton in brooklyn center, minnesota. what is the situation there now as the curfew approaches? >> reporter: it's a little bit different than what you were thinking about. actually the curfew went into effect at 8:00 but nobody here on the ground found out until 9:00. so here we have it way past, after curfew. and what was a couple hours ago, large crowds, maybe a thousand
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people, have dissipated. so about 150 people, i don't know if you can pan this way a little bit but a lot of people have congregated to the gas station to the left of me and to the right of me, like an abandoned gas station. a lot of people have congregated there. there's one thing i should note. the protesters here, the ones that are left, are very, very relentless and they're unruly. that doesn't tell the whole story about everything that happen tonight before the an hour ago we were down to 500 people or so. 500 demonstrators. but the crowds were mixed. on one end you had a lot of protesters who were provoking the police department here. but on the other side, about 75 yards away, was a completely different separate type of crowd from people who were holding hands, people were on their knees saying no justice, no peace, but peaceful protesting. and actually telling the unruly
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protesters to cut it out. so it depends on which side of the police station you were on. you saw a good crowd or you is a you a bad crowd. what we have now is the police officers here who are way past curfew. they have pushed the media and the residents and the demonstrators about four or five blocks away from the police station, which is where we are now. they're threatening the demonstrators with arrests at this point and telling the media that we also need to leave the scene as well. >> what do you expect to happen in the next stage of this? are the police likely to make a move to take more control? >> reporter: yes, well, as they continue to push people back at some point, they'll start arresting people. they've given them a lot of leeway, a lot of time to air their grievances. at some point they'll say, listen, we gave you a couple
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hours. now we'll just take to you jail. >> thank you for that live report. from brooklyn center, minnesota. we really appreciate it. msnbc's breaking news coverage continues now with the "the 11th hour" with brian williams. that's right now. and indeed, good evening once again. while this happens to be day 84 of the biden administration, we begin yet again this evening in brooklyn center, minnesota, just north of minneapolis, where it is now 10:00 p.m. local time and the curfew has just gone into effect. protesters remain on the streets, however, for a third night as anger and outrage are growing after the deadly police shooting of 20-year-old daunte wright. he was shot and killed on sunday when police pulled his car over and tried to arrest him on an outstanding misdemeanor warrant. kim potter, the 26-year veteran office

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