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the president of the united states calls the shots. if we weren't here for the states, you would have a problem in this country like you've never seen before. they can't do anything without the approval of the president. when somebody is the president of the united states, the authority is total. and that's the way it's got to be. total. it's total. >> that was of course all wrong. a kaleidoscopic misreading of the constitution, on top of a kaleidoscopic mishandling of the virus. which as of tonight, has killed 567,291 of our fellow citizens. that is our broadcast for this tuesday evening. with our thanks for being here with us. on behalf of all my colleagues at the networks of nbc news, goodnight. nbc news, goodnight. what a news day this has been. the biden administration
announcing today today, that the u.s. war in afghanistan will finally come to an end. and multiple presidents have tried. even in the george w. bush administration, which started that war. they said that by the time george w. bush left office, they were trying to end it, they wanted to bring u.s. troops home from afghanistan even back then. they set targets, for withdrawal, based on what they hope to be improvements on conditions on the ground. surprisingly conditions on the ground never improved enough to warrant hitting those targets, so the troops did not come home then under the president who started that war. president obama wanted to bring that troops home from afghanistan as well but then he famously surged more troops into afghanistan, to try to improve things on the ground. because they hoped to be able to end the u.s. war there, based on improving conditions on the ground. but in the end, surprise, conditions on the ground never improved. so the troops did not come home. under
president trump, he often appeared confused about the afghanistan war. often talking about the conflict as if he had ended it, as if he had brought all u.s. troops home from afghanistan. he did not. he may have wanted to bring them home, heck with him you have to consider the possibility that he may have falsely believed he did bring them home. even though he did not. whatever the previous president may have thought, or said, u.s. troops did not come home from afghanistan either. but now, finally, president biden is due to give a speech tomorrow, explaining that at long last, this really will be it. starting before the end of this month, before the end of april, and ending before september 11th this year. 20th anniversary of the al-qaeda terrorist attack on our country, that led us to invade afghanistan in the first place. president biden tomorrow expected to announce that this is not another one of those target dates for withdrawal, that we are aiming at. but it will depend on conditions on the ground. this instead, is actually just a date by which
we will be gone, full stop. senior administration official previewing the presidents announcement today by saying quote, the president has judged that a condition's based approach, which has been the approach in the past two decades, is a recipe for staying in afghanistan forever. officials said president biden quote has long known that military force would not solve afghanistan's internal political challenges. it would not end afghanistan's internal conflict. and so we are ending our military operations. again, we will hear more from this and president biden directly tomorrow. but this new policy, this new decision, out completely, on or before september 11th of this year. with only enough troops left in that country to protect our embassy there. the biden administration is signaling that this is something different. this is not a
conditions based target. this is something that is a date certain, regardless of what happens inside afghanistan between now and then. it will apparently also include the 2000 plus nato troops that are there alongside u.s. forces as well. but they say in nato, it's in together out together. when it means in this circumstance is, all coalition troops, all u.s. and nato troops, everyone out this year. at long last, 20 years down the road. if you know, any servicemen and women, any veterans who have served in afghanistan, or people who have had family members serve in afghanistan, this might be a good time to reach out. once the president has given his speech tomorrow. it has been a horrendous conflict there. in part, because of the surrealism of how long it has drifted and dragged on. there are american service members who have recently deployed to that war, who were literally not yet alive when the 9/11 attacks happened. which is what the afghanistan war was extensively all about.
finally, that is going to come to an end, for a generation of post 9/11 afghanistan veterans in this country. it is going to be a very big deal. so keep them in your thoughts. if you have veterans and service members, military families in your life, in your circle, who have a connection in might be time to reach out. but as i mentioned, it will be u.s. troops and all nato troops, out at the same time. and right now the secretary of state anthony blinken and the u.s. secretary lloyd offit austin or eta emergency meeting called by nato. nato summoned all the defense ministers and all the foreign ministers from their member countries. to come talk about russia. amassing 80,000 russian troops on the border of ukraine. that's more troops than russia has put their since they invaded ukraine in 2014, and took part of that country. they took crimea and made it part of russia instead. we are expecting new u.s.
sanctions on russia as early as tomorrow. it would call today between biden -- putin's government is now threatening to start force feeding russians major opposition leader who have a locked up in a penal colony outside moscow. our foreign minister nor defense minister, our press secretary of state in our defense minister, are at that emergency nato meeting right now. to discuss, this situation with russia right now. and what may be, what feels like, a diplomatic confrontation with russia. that's much more serious than anything we've seen in recent years. but they are there, at the time this huge announcement is about to be made, affecting us and all the nato countries that have been fighting the afghanistan war for these two decades. all of these things happening at once. but again the president speech announcing the end of the afghanistan war, that should be tomorrow. it is expected to have a one-on-one with the president
of afghanistan the following day. here at home tonight of course, all eyes are on the minneapolis region. where last night several dozen people were arrested, in angry protests, over police killing yet another unarmed black man. 20-year-old dante white, who was pulled over in some kind of traffic stop, a police officer threatened that she was going to tease him. but then she shot him with her service pistol, and he was killed by that single gunshot to the chest. that was sunday afternoon. we have had two angry nights of protest, confrontation with police in some looting. on the tonight since that happened. tonight, the police chief and the police officer involved in the shooting of dante wright have both resigned. in brooklyn center minnesota. the city manager in the suburb where this has happened has also been fired by that tone. the town brooklyn center in minneapolis where many communities have set a curfew for tonight, just as they did
last. night tonight's will actually start later, which is interesting. well after nightfall. tonight's curfew starts at 10 pm local time, which is 11 pm eastern time. more demonstrations are expected, right now the minneapolis tribune is on the scene in saying they at least 1000 people in history right now in brooklyn center minneapolis. excuse me brooklyn center minnesota, as night begins to fall. we've got multiple reporters on the scene tonight. we are going to be speaking live, in just a moment, with a member of the city council, from brooklyn center. so again, eyes there. you see information, protesters outside the police facility in brooklyn center minnesota, after what's been a couple of very angry nights. like i said, it's been about ten days worth of news, in today's news. and our first guest tonight, is honored to say our nation surgeon general. doctor vivek murphy. you may recall served as surgeon general in the obama
administration as well. he was there through the end of the obama administration. and fired by president trump. he was brought back, to reprise [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] it's a totally new pace, of consistent science driven not crazy, regular pronouncements from the white house. and it's covid team and the cdc. about scientific developments, about vaccines, about the course of the epidemic, about measures to minute it the pandemic. even as they have taken the united states from the worst
response in the industrialized world, to arguably the best. with the biggest, fastest vaccine distribution system of any large country in the whole world. even as the biden administration has made those strides. today was a setback. and a controversial one. today, the cdc and fda announced a pause on the administration of one of the three vaccines approved by the fda for emergency use in this country to prevent covid-19. the pfizer and moderna, two shot vaccines, are not affected by this announcement at all. but administration of the one shot johnson & johnson vaccine is being stopped on a dime. because of six cases of blood clots, among women who had recently been vaccinated with the johnson & johnson vaccine. here to answer, hopefully, the proximity one brazilian very detailed questions i have about this, is our nation surgeon general, dr. vivek murphy. doctor murphy, it is a real honor to have you with us here
tonight. thank you so much for having the time and was a really intense day. >> thanks so much rachel. it's good to be here with you. i'm looking forward to your one gazillionth questions. >> good, let's jump right in. this is six adverse events, six incidents in the united states after nearly 7 million doses of this vaccine were administered. when it is such a rare, rare occurrence like that. literally less than one in 1 million doses, being correlated with this adverse occurrence. how do the fda in the cdc, how does the administration decide that something that's that rare, is nevertheless worth alerting the country, taking those dramatic steps of stopping the administration of this vaccine? >> rachel it's such an important question. and when it gets of the heart at, would it really gets to the heart of his what's important in what's the priority right now. and that safety. as you mentioned these are six incidents out of 6.8 million
people who have received the johnson & johnson vaccine. but what was concerning about them rachel, is that these were serious side effects. these were rare but serious blood clots. that developed. and in one case, somebody died. and so the cdc as made the important decision with the fda, to take time to investigate, and to push pause, and giving further vaccine until we can determine whether there was in fact a connection, between the vaccine and these dangerous blood clots. i should just mention rachel this also, pausing is not uncommon. when a new drug comes out, new vaccines come out, it's actually unusual to pause when you see a signal, to investigate it and then to unpleasant go back to what you are doing before. or to resume with modifications, or in some extreme cases to stop altogether. but this is in reflection of how deeply we are prioritizing safety. recognizing that people, we want people to know it's
effective and safe. >> blood clots are a thing that happens. they are not the most rare medical complication in the world in the normal course of things. am i right in understanding that in this instance, part of what was alarming, part of what was dangerous, and that was truly unusual, is that what we are seeing here in these six instances was a combination of these patients having blood clots, and also low platelets. and that's a strange combination that you don't usually find. so it's both unusual and also had implications for how you would treat blood clots presenting in this kind of circumstance. the kind of treatment you would usually issue, blood thinner that she would usually give someone that's facing a blood than, or that is something that should not be administered in this case. is that right? >> you're exactly right rachel. clots are not rare events, they have been significant
re-frequency. what's unusual about this is these blood clots were happening at the same time, as another finding, which were low platelet counts. platelets are the cells that help your body in the clotting process. the fact that you had clotting happening at the same time is low platelets, was a warning sign. in we do see that in rare circumstances, in some rare conditions. but those conditions have to be treated with the utmost of care, they often involve getting hematology specialists involved. in very importantly they are not treated with the typical blood thinners like hepburn that you might give a patient who comes in with a routine clap. which brings up why this was instituted. not only to investigate a potential connection or to give us time to speak to engage the medical committee so they can keep an eye out for similar symptoms. that may indicate to us, that this was happening in other patients. >> if someone is watching this
right now is had the johnson & johnson vaccine, women between 18 and 48 and they're now watching for the symptoms that the cdc has, leg pain abdominal plane shortness of breath headache in the advice is to go to the doctor fit the profile and you've had this vaccine it in the period of time, you have one of these symptoms, what would the doctor do in that circumstance? if i went to my gp and they would do a check to see if i also had low platelets? would they contact a specialist immediately, because this will be a difficult thing to treat? how alarming is it, if i was going to present this to my local hospital or my local gp if i had one of these concerns? >> it's an important question rachel. for the first thing, your doctor would used to evaluate the severity of the symptoms. including doing a neurological
exam, to see if you had any, what we call neurological issues associated with the stroke. after doing that assessment, he would quickly if they were concerned enough, to get you to a setting like a hospital, where you could have a series of tests done. that would include blood tests, they would look at your platelets, your platelet count, your clowning sells. and they may also involve imaging. like a cat scanner mri. depending on where they were concerned the clot may be localized. but what's also important rachel, is what kind of symptoms are worried about, so many people who received a vaccine, whether it's the johnson & johnson vaccine or other vaccines, will experience some flu like symptoms for a few days. after they get the vaccine, that might include fatigue, they may have a low grade fever, or they might feel some chills or might feel nauseous. they may feel like they have the flu for a day or two. we are not worried about.
those they include a mild headache. they don't have lasting consequences but we are more concerned about our symptoms including severe headaches, abdominal pain, swelling in the legs, shortness of breath, which make the travel to the lungs. these are more of the circumstances that would alarm a clinician and there are reasons why you should call your doctor if you have any of these symptoms and if you have a change in the vaccine recently. >> you mentioned the sorts of reactions that people have frequently had to get the vaccines. last week, we saw a few sites and a few different states stop administering the johnson & johnson temporarily when people had seemingly less scary reactions that you're describing. things like light-headedness, dizziness. those experiences last week's. with those temporary pauses in a few different locations that were administering the same vaccine. is that unrelated? is that totally different? have this been looked into as
to whether or not those might have been something serious as well? >> well, looking at the totality of the data around johnson & johnson, like all of the concerns that have been raised whether they are male mild or major that's all part of the process it's gonna take place of next few days. tomorrow, the committee advisory to the cdc on immunization practices is going to be medium looking at the threats of data we have available to us and they're going to help us understand working closely with the fda whether there was in fact a broad link between disconcerting clots and the actual vaccine administration. but rachel, i think the really important thing for people to realize here who may have received the j&j vaccine or whose family members or friends may have gotten, it is that the vast majority of people, the mascot majority of the 6.8 million people who have received this vaccine and the united states have done well. and if you have received the
vaccine and you're hearing this news and you're wondering, am i gonna be okay? the odds are absolutely yes you will be okay. we are investigating rare occurrences, and we are doing it out of an abundance of caution. but we recognize that if we want people to take this vaccine, we want to turn this covid pandemic around, we're gonna have to do everything possible to make sure people have the right information and that they know beyond a shadow of a doubt that we are taking their safety seriously and investigating any and all possible concerns. >> i will say, as a person who personally receive the johnson & johnson vaccine within the last week who turned 48 at the same time, i felt like on the one hand you never want to wake up and see the headline that says about this thing that you just got turns out there might be an issue. on the other hand, i feel a little bit of a sense of relief knowing that this is a decision that was made at the fda and the cdc based on the science because they are being vigilant about it. because it was so rare. even though it was less than
one in 1 million, there are on it and they just want to make sure they are nailing down every potential danger that they want to make sure they understand. and so just speaking from personal perspective, i'm telling you i'm having both of those feelings that once. what should we expect from that process? the fda is looking at this, the advisory committee for the cdc is gonna be looking at this tomorrow. what do you think we should expect in terms of how long of a review this will be? how long of a pause this will be if they decide that this is correlative and not caused by the vaccine and this is safe to restart. how long the process do you think that would be, beginning to end, before we know the resolution? >> well, rachel, i'll tell you the intention here is to do this as quickly as possible. there's a great sense of urgency around making sure that this process is expedited and that it happens fast. that's why the advisory committee and immunization practices meeting tomorrow.
i would expect this to happen under days and to a few weeks as opposed to a new order of months or longer. and i will just say, look, i'm so glad you got vaccinated, rachel. it's just one more person who is protected against covid. but i also think it's important in this moment that we know that today's news make us lose sight of the broader progress that we have made. we have vaccinated so many people in our country. more than 120 million. as a result of that, particularly because we focus on vaccinating older people who are more vulnerable, we have seen deaths among the elderly drop in nursing homes. this is a preview of what we can do all across america, rachel, if we focus on vaccinating people, getting them the right information so that we can make decisions for themselves and their families. but i know it's tiring because we have been at this for more than a year and as people see news and cases taking up, they just feel exhausted and i can tell you i can relate to that. but we are seeing the light at the end of the tunnel getting
brighter and breyer. we just have to hold on a bit longer, keep wearing our masks, keep avoiding indoor gatherings and get vaccinated as soon as he possibly can. that is the key to ending this pandemic. >> doctor murthy, let me ask you about one last question that is actually not about vaccines but is actually about covid. and it's about something we've talked a bit about on this show even though it hasn't had a lot of national discussion and it's the issue of treatment, therapeutics for people who get infected with covid. obviously, the idea of a vaccination is that you want people to prevent -- there are monoclonal antibody treatments, if people take them and get an infusion before they need to be hospitalized they've shown incredible effectiveness keeping people out of the hospital. now we've just seen this interesting development in the last few days and it appears that as michigan is having this very difficult surge right now, both in cases and hospitalizations the administration, the federal government is not surging vaccine to michigan which is what they've been asking for, but is trying to surge antibody
treatment to michigan. basically to make it more available and more easily accessible there are so the people who get infected can get one of these infusions and stay out of the hospital. is that right? is that what's happening? again, there's a lot of attention to this even though i'm fascinated by this part of the pandemic. and if that's happening in michigan, it's not a pilot project that we should see the uptake of these very effective drugs? >> it's really a stoop point, rachel and i'm glad you raised it because it brings up that broader question of what is the appropriate response to a regional search? but we have learned from the past year is if you really want to tamp out a search, given the tools we have, there are several things you have to do. number one, you want to get vaccines into arms but getting vaccines into arms is different from getting more vaccines to a state. because right now we have significant inventory in many states and that's what i wanted the steps we've been taking is actually search people and
expertise and tools to actually allow them to translate more of their inter victory into shots in arms. that's what's been happening in michigan. we're also researching therapeutics, where researching testing which is really important actually during a surge so you can both diagnose people but also do surveillance testing. but perhaps, rachel, one of the most important and quick things you can do in a search like this are the behavioural modifications. it's actually getting people to pull back on high-risk activities. we're seeing, for example, as people go back into restaurants and gather indoors for family dinners with multiple households, as people get together for youth sports and have pizza afterwards, these are the activities that we find are often facilitating spread and that is what we have to focus on pulling back. if we want to reduce that surge because vaccines will help in the longer term but they take time to build an immune response in your body, that is
a lot longer than we had in the surgeries we are seeing in michigan. >> doctor vivek murthy, our nations surgeon general and we thank you for your service tonight, doctor. and we thank you for being here tonight. >> thank you so much rachel, take care. >> you too, thank you. >> much more ahead tonight. as i mentioned, just a moment we're going to go live to brooklyn center, minnesota. a large crowd has gathered tonight once again to protest the police killing of dante wright in this minneapolis suburb. we've got multiple reporters on the ground, stay with us. ♪ na na na na... ♪ hey hey hey. ♪ goodbye. ♪ na na na na ♪ na na na na... the world's first six-function multipro tailgate. available on the gmc sierra.
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minneapolis star tribune today. you see the headline there holy dot dot dot, i just shot him. tonight is the third straight day of protests after a police officer in brooklyn center shot and killed a 20 year old african man named dante wright. police say the officer who shot and killed mr. rate shot him by mistake. body cam footage of the incident appears to show the officer tased him, in the footage she can be heard yelling altitudes you all tease, you taser taser taser, before she shoots him with her gun. officers then heard her saying holy weep, i just shot him. that officer is now resigned
from the brooklyn center police department, as has the police chief, the county attorney assigned to review this cases charges against the officer. could be announced as soon as tomorrow. as you see in these live images, protesters are once again in the streets there tonight. remember this is about ten miles away from the courthouse, hosting the trial of former minneapolis police officer derek chauvin for the killing of police off police -- protesters started the night with a vigil this evening, for dante wright, and then a rally, and then a march through the city. earlier tonight they did march to the brooklyn center police department, when they arrived they were met with this chain link fence and jersey barriers that have been erected around the police station. there are also dozens of natural guardsmen and women who are stationed outside that building. upwards of 2000 national guard troops have been deployed to the twin cities metro area tonight. reporters say a group of about 500 protesters marched to a big
fbi building in town, after they were at the local police station, when they got to the fbi building a caravan of honking horns, car caravan escorted the protesters around the fbi building. you can see the snow start to pick up. protesters, protests are ongoing in this hour. reporters on the ground estimate that this crowd is about 1000 people. the crowd after having spent time at the fbi building today has marched back to the police station in brooklyn center. the city of brooklyn center as well as the surrounding twins of these areas. once again they are going to be under curfew tonight. that curfew will start three hours later than it did last night. curfew set to begin at 10 pm local time. which is 11 pm eastern. joining us now is a member of the brooklyn center city council in minnesota. council member butler, thank you for being here. i know this is a difficult time
here for you and your city. >> thank you so much for having me rachel i very much appreciated. and yes it is a very difficult time for all of us. >> i just want to ask, we are covering this developing story, we sort of threw out everything we are planning on doing last night in order to cover a lot of this live visit unfolded. it was very tense, there were confrontations, we are again tonight seeing pepper spray, we are seeing some flash bang grenades, we are seeing right now. these are live images, some stuff being thrown at police and police responding with gas. i have to ask if you have words for your community tonight. if you have anything you want them to know from your perspective as community leader? >> yes, a quote that i've been reflecting a law on is dr. martin luther king. and he said a riot is the language of the unheard. and with this quo i think it's important as leaders and citizens, that we listen and
respond appropriately. we know that, our community is hurting. we know that safety for everyone, is the utmost importance. we do want to allow everyone, that wants to protest peacefully to be able to express themselves. and be able to grieve. but we do want to keep everybody safe. >> can you tell us about the decision made by the city council, to fire the city manager? obviously that seems like sort of a bureaucratic thing, but it's quite an operationally important thing here. in terms of municipal employees in the police department. answering that city manager, why did you and your colleagues on the city council decide to that the city managers in the longer be in that job? >> quite simply the council lost confidence in the ability for the city manager, to
execute his duties. >> from. >> we felt that he could no longer deliver what the community needed during these volatile times. >> do you feel like the mayor of your city, your fellow council members, the treatment that you've had from the governor from state agencies, do you feel like things are being handled properly in brooklyn center? in the wake of what's happened? giving the increasing anger in the streets. are there things that you would like to ask for from the state in terms of the way this is being handled. oren from local officials? >> i think that this is not something that we've experienced before as leaders here in brooklyn center. yes of course, we have experienced as a community, not that long ago. but in terms of us being leaders in operating in the space, we're doing the very
best that we can. i do have confidence that we will continue to lead the community in the best way, we are able to and tapping into people that have gone through this, not being able to rely on their advice. when i have seen that i don't like, are the rubber bullets, the tear gas, and i think working with the governor and the state troopers and everyone in the military that are present, to see how we can come to a resolution to keep everybody safe, but also for those that are not engaging in violence to be able to, to be able to continue to protest and not be harmed. >> mark eat about, layer with the brooklyn center city council. >> now it's fine. i was just saying that is
leaders we need to continue to work with our governor and the leaders in minnesota in general, to come to a resolution on how we can keep everybody safe. >> marquee to butler, city councilor member in brooklyn center minnesota, we are looking at live images here on the screen from brooklyn center tonight. miss butler, thank you very much. i know it's going to be another difficult and long night, keep come back to us if you think there's more the country needs to know about what's happening in your community tonight. all eyes are on you in lots of people's thoughts and prayers are with brooklyn center tonight. >> thank you so much. >> again what you're seeing here, these are live images, you're seeing a lot of press there, you're also seeing a lot of protesters. on the right side of your screen we see police and national guardsmen, defending what has been set up effectively as perimeter around
the police station in brooklyn center minnesota. brooklyn center is a suburb of minneapolis, it's about ten miles from the courthouse where the derek chauvin trial has been underway for the past two and a half weeks. he is of course on trial for the death of george floyd, who died under a police officers knee in the street in minneapolis, it is hard to extricate these two storylines. the killing of dante wright in the killing of george floyd. not just because of geography here, but because of the continuous, the continuation of anger and outrage and grief over these two men's deaths. these two black men dying at the hands of white police officers in the minneapolis area. again, this appears to still be a growing crowd. we have reporters on the scene, who are watching this. there are a few dozen arrests last night. there were also a few stores that were looted. although it was not described as large-scale looting. but we are expecting this to
proceed over the course of the evening. and then it's an open question as to what will happen when the curfew was instituted. local authorities made an interesting decision tonight to push the curfew back three hours later, than it was last night. obviously one of the points of contention, once we saw protest after last night, was police telling protesters they were in violation of the curfew, and they must clear the streets. protesters quite billy and lee ignored that. it's possible that the thinking tonight, is that by pushing the curfew back to 10 pm local time, 11 pm eastern, time that it might be a more enforceable curfew. people will have been out and have had the opportunity to protest at that, point and maybe more to respecting the curfew. or following it as an order. if it's brought down. if that curtain is brought down later. we will keep watching the scene, we will be back with more live coverage. right after this. stay with us. coverage right after this stay with us
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eye tonight and the brooklyn center minnesota, and we are. just within the last few minutes, line for smith on the scene of an increasingly large protest there in the streets outside police headquarters. line forsman has given a bull horn warning, that the protest is an unlawful assembly, and has given the protesters ten minutes to disperse. joining us now from that scene, is msnbc correspondent carroll perry. cal thank so much for being with us. i know you are right in the thick of it. what can you tell us about what you are seeing? >> the escalation in just the last five minutes, these protesters have thrown smoke grenades. smoke grenades into the line of police officers, what you're hearing coming back, is peppers brave shot in these little pellets. and then you'll hear these very large flash bang grades, that everybody is being fired from the roof. they attach these little bottle
rockets, it's got and bad in the last ten minutes, because you said there was about 1000 people, i think it's more like five, hundred it's thin now just since these flash bangs were held. the 500 people that remain are very dedicated to having a confrontation with the police. this is a very frustrated crowd, obviously if you could see, i want to show rachel, the umbrellas. there's a line of protesters that have their underlies open, fanned at the police. they're just about 15 feet past the barricades. if that line of protesters that are throwing the bottles. throwing things at the police, in the rush forward in hit that fence hard rachel. and then they push back. and it's been this back and forth. i'm not sure it will try to get cleared before than rachel. tell when you say police are throwing something that seems like smoke grenades, you're talking about things that are being thrown from the protests side at the police? >> it looks like a packet of those am 80 that you might have
played with as a kid, that put off the smoke, it wasn't like a professional smoker need that she would see four line forsman. it was a firework type thing you can see the sheriff's office fighting these flash bangs, it's the bottles of water the police are not going to put up. with the projectiles. once they really start going, that's when the police are going to start pushing back. they'll probably use that pepper spray and more of that tear grass rachel. cal, are the police making a lot of announcements in terms of what they want people to do. are they peddling protesters, pushing back the perimeter, whatever police factors we can see on these projectiles being named at them right now? >> the police are staying within this barricade so far. last night they pushed out into the street and about a half mile down this road they pushed protesters all the way back until again, a series of gas stations about half a mile away. right now they're inside these
barricades and what we're doing is they're slowly rationing up the verbal warning so 30 minutes ago it was a curfew reminder. 15 minutes ago, it was a curfew reminder. ten minutes ago that's when we heard that this is an and lawful assembly and make the announcement very clear in this situations and we're fine here. they make these announcements very clear and now you're part of a lawful assembly and we can now arrest you need to disperse right away. after they give up that announcement there are folks who are not dedicated pepper sprayed and taking that projectile properly and to get out of the area and i think that's when we saw half the crowd leave so i would say four or 500 people, rachel. >> and tell you said you just check to make sure you and your crew are okay. are people being hostile to you? we saw some not particularly dangerous but some angry confrontations last night with people not happy that the cross was there covering it. how have people been towards
you and other journalists there? >> tonight they've been okay. i was sort of expecting to be harassed a little more tonight and i certainly won't have been the frustration is directed solely at the police. the police have sent out people in the sheriff's office who are now waiting for this abc, personal carrier. i don't know how to describe it. but this armored personnel carrier coming from this gate is coming quickly and you can see protesters are again just throwing these bottles at police and they haven't let up at all and throughout this you can see are these little pepper spray around that police fire for a plastic rifle and they're firing it into the crowd and it's not making any difference, rachel. >> so this is like a swat vehicle, or an emirate some sort of armored vehicle and it looks like the police are masking behind it.
can you tell if this is national guard or police that are looking like sheriff markings on that vehicle? sheriff markings right behind and show the officers falling behind the vehicle and you can see the shields and they're clearly marked sheriffs. the national guard soldiers seem to be back a couple of rows and i don't think that they're gonna come out but i certainly keep an eye on it. they certainly fall into a support role this past year the country has a bad history of getting involved on the street and we see this out of control and you have louisville. so for that reason i think the national guard deploys well in the rear and i want the sheriff 's office in the local police because this is now reaching beyond what local police can handle and we can see that it's staged here at this gate so the two lines that they have seem to have crossed traditionally tonight where the bottles which again are continuing and now
they're sort of punching holes in the soda cans so that they spin and the second one was they are pushing and trying to break down effects. any time they've tried to break down the barricades around a police facility, that's usually a line. >> cal perry on the ground for us in brooklyn center, minnesota. you and your crew stay safe and get back with us if there is more you need to report to us. we will keep eyes on your shot, cal. what i want to bring into the conversation now is nbc news diane hampton who is now in brooklyn center tonight. dion, what can you tell us about your vantage point in which are able to see? >> well rachel, thanks for having me on. what i see is a high crowd. take it this way, and this why my colleague earlier mention that there is a lot of people that were demonstrating and you forget that you have a peaceful crowd and people who are praying. people who are telling the other people not to become violent and so over here you're
gonna have people going shoes you've got one. and you have people who are saying we don't want any violence. now, if we try to turn the camera this way, if you go this way about maybe 75 yards down the street it's a completely different crowd. this crowd is provoking the police. this crowd is entertaining the police, and they are very juxtaposed to what's going on over here so the police have been saying that they want the crowds to stop. and the protesters down there who were throwing the water bottles and debris understand that again it's unlawful and they have someone giving people route 13 minutes to leave the premises before they start to come out. but these protests what we have
is very peaceful, rachel, doing the daytime. but then at night time as the crowd goes down, you have a lot of demonstrators who become much more agile, and more courageous and that is when it starts to get the commotion between the protesters and the police. >> dion hampton for us live from brooklyn center minnesota. dion, thank you and thank you for giving us that context so we can understand the different types of protests going on simultaneously. remarkable shot there. with dion with a peaceful and mostly silent protest except for one person speaking into a bull horn those protesters also being warned calmly. those calm protesters being warned by a police captain as dion described it, that they must disperse but as you can see when he got his camera pan down the street it's only 75 yards from what is a much more chaotic and confrontational scene here at police headquarters in brooklyn
minnesota where we have a lot of projectiles going beyond that perimeter fence. we have the sheriff's department based on the markings on the side of the vehicle and with what appeared to be sheriffs personnel, masks behind them obviously kitted out for riot duty. we've seen the use of pepper spray, a considerable amount of pepper spray. fireworks, projectiles, bottles thrown, very angry scene. just down the street from that more peaceful, calm but still angry protest just yards away. remarkable scene today as the story continues to develop. we will stay with it, we'll be right back after this. back after this. (vo) the subaru outback. dog tested. dog approved.
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the hour tonight there is going to be some very long awaited history made tomorrow. president biden expected to announce for the white house that all u.s. troops will be withdrawn from afghanistan by september 11th of this year. 20 years after the u.s. first invaded. joining us now is washington post missy ryan who is first to break the news of biden's withdrawal plan today. miss ryan thank you so much for being with us tonight. thanks for your reporting on this. >> thanks rachel. >> why now? why is the president making this decision now? >> the biden administration was facing a may one deadline under a deal that was negotiated by the trump administration to withdraw all u.s. troops from
afghanistan and so they faced this quandary coming into office three months to figure out whether they want to fly with the deal in the middle of a going piece negotiating process or whether they stay beyond that deadline and what biden a denounced which was not a huge surprise today was that they are going to stay an extra four months, and they will bring all troops home by september 11th which is the 20th anniversary of the attacks of 9/11. and, you know, it's really a moment where the biden administration is trying to pivot american foreign policy and engagement with the world. we've had these two decades of counter-terrorism and counter insurgency wars and now they're really are looking to engage more, focus more on competition with china, with russia, on global health and climate change and they are hoping that ending the war in afghanistan will allow them to do this.
>> i feel like people who are hearing this news, and even hearing you talk about it right now maybe having a sense of déjà vu because so many previous presidents have talked about ending the war in afghanistan. in this case, it is sort of a qualitatively different decision though, isn't it? as the administration made clear, today and as you make clear in your reporting, this is not a conditions based thing. this is not a target date, if x happens then we'd like to leave by why. this is a date certain no matter what is happening on the ground. it is a final decision. is that fair? >> it is fair. at least, as you suggest those of us who would be covering afghanistan for a long time there have been so many reversals and twisted turns but as it stands right now, and i think it is reasonable to expect that they will fulfill its commitment to go down to close to zero by september, there will be some sort of small military presence to secure the embassy in afghanistan, but it's important
to remember that we are all ready at the lowest level, around 2500 3500 troops right now already at the lowest level that the united states have had in afghanistan since the early days of the war. and you know at the height of president obama's surge it was around 100,000 troops so it really is a very different moment and i think the big question right now will be what occurs in the aftermath of the american departure. what occurs with the peace process that everyone hopes will result in some sort of sustainable peace and a new traditional government and if afghanistan. some sort of stable governing arrangement and what happens with the taliban. will they try to press their military advantage and really go forward and try to take over cabo which is sort of their worst case scenario that some of the critics have been talking about today. >> washington post national security and pentagon recorder missy ryan who again broke the
news today about the presidents expected public announcement tomorrow that the war in afghanistan will finally end the u.s. troops will be gone by september 11th of this year. missy, thank you so much for being with us, i really appreciate it. again, and keep in mind that as big of a news that as this, isn't a know that afghanistan and some people particularly afghan war veterans sometimes call it forgot to stand, is something that has stayed off the radar for a long time given that it has been an ongoing u.s. war for 20 years but for american veterans, military families who have served since 9/11, the end of this war is a really big deal and particularly people who have served in that conflict over the past 20 years, it ending in u.s. troops leaving full stop. the only troops that will be left behind is those who protect the embassy. it is something that has been more than long-awaited and it's an historic moment. i'm looking forward to seeing the presidents remarks.