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year last year. but your point about being indicted, we have to remember the case against -- of the new jersey senator hernandez. it's a really important case to look at because he was indicted any ultimately >> he was indicted he defended himself, he was not convicted. he's a u.s. senator in good stand ing katy benner, great reporting, thank you so much. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. good evening, rachel. >> good evening, chris. thank you my friend. much appreciated. thaing at home for joining us this hour. this is a live look at brooklyn center, minnesota, tonight where protests are expected tonight for a fourth straight evening. this is all happening after a 20-year-old man named daunte wright was shot and killed by a brooklyn center police officer during a traffic stop on sunday. that officer resigned from the force yesterday, as did the police chief in brooklyn center. today state prosecutors arrested the officer and charged her with manslaughter in the second
degree. but we will keep eyes on brooklyn center tonight as we have for the last few nights. there have been several dozen arrests each of the last few nights. there have been very, very heated confrontations between local residents and the police including a lot of tear gas and projectiles thrown. tonight there is a curfew in effect in brooklyn center, minnesota. it starts at 10:00 p.m. local time, which is 11:00 p.m. eastern. you'll see night is just falling there, and we've seen things get tense there, particularly after nightfall over these last few nights. i should also tell you there's an increased presence of national guard troops in the area tonight. about 2,000 troops were deployed, national guard troops were deployed in the minneapolis area for the last two nights but as of today that has been increased by 50%. we're expecting more like 3,000 national guard troops in the streets there tonight. we will have a live report coming up from brooklyn center, from the minneapolis area later tonight as we keep eyes on
what's expected to be a fourth night of protests. but we start tonight with a story that you may not know about someone you have seen before as a guest on this show, somebody who's been a guest here on this show as a reporter, pulitzer prize winning reporter talking about among other things the trump justice department most recently. but none of that would necessarily give you any inkling as to just where he has been, what he has been through, what he, in fact, literally escaped from. another gunman in the passenger seat turned and stared at us as he gripped his rifle. reddish soil and black boulders as far as the eye could see. i feared we would be dead within minutes. it was november 10th. i'd been heading to a meeting
with a taliban commander along with an afghan journalist and our driver. the commander had invited us to outside kabul for reporting i was pursuing about afghanistan and pakistan. the longer i looked at the gunman in the passenger seat the more nervous i became. his face showed little emotion, his eyes were dark, flat, lifeless. i thought of my wife and family and was overcome with shame. an interview that seemed crucial hours earlier now seemed absurd and reckless. we reached a dry river bed and the car stopped. they're going to kill us my journalist colleague when i say whispered, they're going to kill us. that was published in the falling of 2009, and it was the story of what he had been through over the course of the previous year. the previous november, november 2008, less than a week after the u.s. election where barack obama was first elected david rode and his two afghan colleagues, a
fellow journalist and a driver were kidnapped outside kabul. they were held by the taliban for seven months and ten days before they finally figured out a way to escape and flee into the night. david rohde at that time was already a pulitzer prize winning journalist. once he escaped and got away from the taliban, his editor at the "new york times" was interviewed back in the united states about what everybody was now learning about what had happened to david rohde and his editor was bewildered to report at the time, to tell nbc news at the time, is one of the first things he did after escaping from his taliban kidnappers and getting himself to safety after seven-plus months in captivity, one of the first things he did after getting himself free was to send an email to his editor at the "new york times" because he had some corrections that he wanted to see in a story "the times" had just published.
>> we begin with news of an incredible escape by an american held hostage by the taliban for more than seven months. david rohde a pulitzer prize winning reporter for the "new york times" was kidnapped in november. friday night he and another man reportedly crawled over a wall of the compound where they were being held and fled to safety. >> he was taken prisoner on november 10th, which makes it something like 222 days was my count in captivity. we had periodic contact with david himself or with the kidnappers. there was still long periods of time when we didn't have information, and it was scary. i mean, we -- there were certainly times when we wondered whether they'd been killed. we had no idea what the outcome was going to be, and you know, in the end, it may just have been that david had an opportunity, jumped the wall and got away.
i had a brief email from him today because after seven months in captivity he's still essentially a reporter. he went online and read the web story that we wrote about his escape. he had a few small corrections that he wanted to make, so he sent me an email. he sounds good, sounds healthy. he's completely exhausted but also exhilarated and relieved. >> incredible, that was bill keller of the "new york times." rohde's wife who married him two months before the kidnapping said the family is grateful to everyone who helped. >> he had a few small corrections that he wanted to make, so he sent me an email. imagine having the presence of mind after being kidnapped and held hostage by the taliban for the better part of a year, imagine having the presence of mind to get out and immediately contact your editor and send some edits to the paper to make sure the story they've got about it is just right. as i said, ultimately david rohde would write the full story
himself of what had happened to him in a six-part series for "the times" explaining his kidnapping, his captivity, how they survived, the desperate escape. he and his afghan journalist colleague used a car's tow rope that david had found and then hidden in a pile of old clothes hoping they might be able to use it at some point in the future to escape. they used to that tow rope from the car to basically fling themselves over a perimeter wall. it was about a five-feet wall on their side of it. it was a 20 foot drop on the other side. they dropped down into a sewage ditch on the other side of it. they ultimately fled into the night and presented themselves at a local militia base. the middle of the night, he and his colleague walk up to this militia base, and the guards on duty were absolutely convinced that these two guys showing up in the middle of the night looking like hell, absolutely convinced they were foreign suicide bombers showing up in the middle of the night to kill
them all. here's how rohde describes it. quote, i held my hands high in the air and dared not move an inch. a nervous guard could shoot us dead as we stoot in the street. with my long beech, scarf and clothes, i looked like a foreign suicide bomber, not a foreign journalist. another voice came from insided billion. one or two more figures appeared on the roof and aimed more gun barrels at us. i heard tahir say the word for journalist and afghan and american. quote, my arms began to burn. i struggled to slow my breathing. i told tahir tell them we will take off our shirts figuring the guards might fear that we were suicide bombers who wore vests packed with explosives. the man responded, lift up your shirt tahir said, i immediately obliged. he's asking if you're an american. i'm an american journalist i said in english, surprised at
the sound of my own voice in the open air. please help us. please help us. i kept talking hoping they would recognize that i was a native english speaker. i said we were kidnapped by the taliban seven months ago. we were kidnapped outside kabul and brought here. i said do you speak english hoping one of the pakistani guards on the roof understood. do you speak english? the guard said something to tahir. he said they are radioing their commander. tahir pleaded with the guard to protect us under the traditional honor code which requires a pashtun to give shelter to any stranger who asks. he begged them to take us inside the base before the taliban came looking for us. about two or three minutes passed, the guards stood behind sandbags on the roof. for the first time that night, it occurred to me that we might actually succeed. escape, an ending i never
dreamed of, might be our salvation. he says, quote, i held my hands still and waited. for the whole time that david rohde was being held captive by the taliban, the "new york times" his employer kept quiet about it in the hopes that keeping it out of the press, making it not public -- or keeping it from becoming public would increase the odds that david would survive. and he did survive, and his survival, his escape is just a remarkable story of resilience and pluck and keeping your head in unimaginable circumstances, even when they drag on and on and on and on and on. but it is also stuck with me not only because what it says about david rohde but because of what it showed us all in very starkly human small terms what it showed us all about the core impossibility at the heart of the u.s. war in afghanistan, the
core strategic impossibility because what we went there for, obviously, was to depose the taliban as the ostensible leaders of afghanistan, to get them out of the power. to punish them for giving the al qaeda terrorist movement a haven. al qaeda launched the 9/11 terrorist attacks against us, and then the u.s. invasion pushed the taliban out of power in afghanistan to punish them for the actions of al qaeda, and to prevent them from harboring kid kind again or any other transnational terrorist entity that could threaten the united states again in the same way in the future. and i say because that is spelled out explicitly in the authorization for the use of military force that congress passed after 9/11 that has been used for the justification of the ongoing u.s. war there ever since for the two decades since. but if deposing the taliban, taking them out of power was step one, step two was never all
that clear. i mean, the overall idea was to keep the taliban from returning to power by standing up a different afghan government that could govern the country, that could also hold the taliban at bay, that could defend itself against the taliban. u.s. and coalition forces stayed in that country for two decades trying to make that happen, fighting the taliban directly, yes, but also trying to stand up and support an afghan government and afghan security forces to fight and resist the taliban themselves. but look at this at a human level. look back at what happened to david rohde and his two afghan colleagues back in 2008 and 2009. they were kidnapped while on their way to interview a taliban commander. that taliban commander had been interviewed by other western journalists in the past, but for whatever reason he decided he would double cross them and kidnap them instead of giving them their interview, and what david rohde was able to piece together from captivity, what he would later write about for the
times is the fact that only for the first week that he was kidnapped, only for the first week that the taliban was holding him and his colleagues, only for the first week were they in afghanistan. after just one week they took him and his colleagues across the afghan border into pakistan. that's where they kept him. they kept them in a series of different houses and hovels in pakistan for the better part of a year before he was able to escape. they kept he and his colleagues in a taliban safe zone basically in pakistan where as he observed from captivity he could see that the militant group, the taliban basically did as they pleased, basically ran the place. and from which they ran all their operations in both countries, in both pakistan and in afghanistan. right? so just think about that in terms of what that means for strategy, in terms of what that means about the point of what the american government and
military is doing in afghanistan. there's this big u.s.-led war next door against the taliban in afghanistan. except that enemy that the u.s. was fighting in afghanistan had another place they lived and worked and planned most of their work. it's like if you were trying to lose weight and so you kept dieting and dieting, cutting back on your portion sizes and your meals being super disciplined all day long about eating well and never snacking, right? but then it turns out every night you would sleepwalk in the kitchen and gorge on everything in the fridge. doesn't necessarily matter what's happening during the day if that's what's happening at night. same thing strategically and drastically over simplified terms in this 20 years of war. knocking the taliban out of power in afghanistan was one thing, defeating them in some kind of larger war preventing them from ever rising again in afghanistan, was that something that a large u.s. military conflict in afghanistan was never going to be able to do.
not when the taliban wasn't confined to afghanistan and wasn't really based there in terms of most of what they were doing. the night that then president george w. bush announced in october 2001 that the u.s. military had started the first air strikes in afghanistan, the opening salvos of the war in afghanistan, a prominent democratic u.s. senator at the time, a senator named joe biden was interviewed on cnn just a few hours after president bush made his announcement. biden told cnn that night from delaware that he was in favor of the air strikes. he had, in fact, been in favor of the start of the afghan war. he also expressed to cnn confidence that the taliban would not be in control of afghanistan much longer. but then he said this, quote, the easiest part is going to be taking it down. the hard part is going to be putting it together. right. knocking them out of power in one place turned out to be doable and quickly. setting up something else to
keep them at bay and defeat them, to unite the nation of afghanistan under a different kind of government, that didn't happen. not with 100,000 u.s. troops there at a time, not with thousands of americans losing their lives there and tens of thousands of americans being injured there, not in a year of combat there, not in ten years of combat there, not in nearly 20 years of combat there. and so today now as president, joe biden stood in the exact same place in the exact same room that president bush stood in when he announced the start of the afghan war nearly 20 years ago. joe biden was there to announce the end of that war. >> we cannot continue the cycle of extending or expanding our military presence in afghanistan hoping to create ideal conditions for the withdrawal and expecting a different result. i'm now the fourth united states president to preside over american troop presence in afghanistan, two republicans,
two democrats. i will not pass this responsibility on to a fifth. it's time to end america's longest war. it's time for american troops to come home. we went to afghanistan because of a horrific attack that happened 20 years ago. that cannot explain why we should remain there in 2021. rather than return to war with the taliban, we have to focus on the challenges that are in front of us. i'm the first president in 40 years who knows what it means to have a child serving in a war zone, and throughout this process, my north star has been remembering what it was like when my late son beau was deployed to iraq, how proud he was to serve his country, and the impact it had on him and all of us at home. we already have service members doing their duty in afghanistan
today whose parents served in the same war. we have service members who are not yet born when our nation was attacked on 9/11. war in afghanistan was never meant to be a multigenerational undertaking. we were attacked. we went to war with clear goals. we achieved those objectives. bin laden is dead, and al qaeda is degraded in afghanistan, and it's time to end the forever war. thank you all for listening. may god protect our troops, and may god bless all those families who lost someone in this endeavor. >> president biden speaking today from the same room, same place in the same room where president george w. bush announced the start of the afghan war nearly 20 years ago. the president's remarks today were followed by a supportive statement from the secretary general of nato who said all nato troops will leave afghanistan on the same time
frame as the united states. that means that all u.s. troops and nato troops will be out by september 11th of this year. the president's remarks were also followed today by the president himself going to arlington national cemetery to pay his respects to the 2,488 americans killed in the war thus far. he was asked by a reporter at arlington if the decision that he announced today was a hard call. here's what he said. >> hard to believe, i'm always amazed at generation after generation, the women and men who prepared to give their lives for their country. >> i'm sorry? >> was it a hard decision to make, sir? >> no, it wasn't. for me it was absolutely clear, absolutely clear. >> absolutely clear.
he says it was absolutely clear. george w. bush actually tried to end the u.s. war in afghanistan after he had started it. he was not able to do so. the obama administration, president obama deliberated long and hard about what to do in afghanistan, as his vice president joe biden argued often without many allies in the administration that it was time to finally and fully just get u.s. troops out. he did not win the argument back then, and troops did not leave under the president obama, but now today joe biden is president, and he has made that decision, and it's a firm decision. it's not condition based. it's a date certain by which u.s. troops will be gone. he said today interestingly that it was not a hard decision. he said it was absolutely clear, a war with the taliban he argued today is not worth more than the 20 years and thousands of american lives we have already put into it. that pulitzer prize winning journalist david rohde spent
more than seven months being held hostage by the taliban in 2008, 2009. he escaped, was able to write about his captivity. today hearing the president's speech, i thought about the service members and military families that i know who have served in afghanistan, how they're feeling today. i also thought of david rohde, and david rohde, now executive editor at the new yorker.com joins us now. his most recent book "in deep: the fbi and the truth about the u.s. state." thank you for making time. >> thank you, rachel, i'm amazed by that introduction, thank you. >> well, it's always -- i've always been sort of stun ed by what you've been through and how you've put yourself together again and got up and continued with what has been an astonishing career. david, i just wanted to ask you to at a personal level give us what you've been through, given these incredibly unique set of circumstances that you've been through in that ordeal, how do you feel about the president
ending the war today? >> i feel relief and what really struck me and impressed me about what you took away from my story is the impossibility of winning this war because of the role of pakistan, and as long as pang -- pakistan continues to give the taliban a safe haven, the place i was held for seven months, it's an impossible war to win. i fear for my afghan friends. you know, we can talk more about that, they're friends right now i'm desperately trying to get out of kabul. i think 20 years is enough if pakistan is going to continue to do this, it's time to leave. >> in terms of the sort of worst-case scenarios, obviously, this is controversial decision the president is announcing. i think the fact that he's announcing it so definitively, that he's not carrying on a public process where he's weighing his options. he's just saying what he's going to do i think will circumscribe the debate somewhat. you are hearing a lot of
criticism today including from people who say that the taliban will now ascend, if not in all of afghanistan, that in most of it. that the afghan government has never been stood up, that there will be a human rights disaster in the country of a different kind of the human rights disaster we've seen there during the course of these 20 years of war. how do you -- i want to talk specifically about afghans who have helped americans in afghanistan, as you just described, setting that aside for a moment, thinking about the sort of worst-case scenarios, what do you make of those prospects and whether the u.s. has options to stop them? >> the prospects are terrible. the taliban carried out a series of targeted assassinations. last year they killed over 100 doctors, humanitarian workers and journalists, afghan women rights activists. it is right to pull out u.s. troops, but it's also right to vastly increase the number of visas we're going to give to those afghans who, you know, fought shoulder to shoulder with
american forces. my friends who are journalists, tahir, the afghan journalist who saved my life, he's out of afghanistan but his relatives aren't. the right thing to do is get them to the united states to help our allies. 150,000 afghans have died since 2001. 40,000 of them are civilians. that's compared to 2,500 americans. so those afghans who fought alongside american troops, we need to help them get out while they can. >> do you have confidence that the u.s. government can do that? i know that in the -- in the aftermath of the u.s. leaving iraq and then ultimately somewhat redeploying to iraq with the rise of isis, afghan and iraq -- iraq and afghanistan
veterans service members advocated fiercely and relentlessly that iraqis who had helped the u.s. in that conflict should get visas and should be brought home and their families should be protected and american promises to them should be upheld. did we learn anything from any of the failures to do that in iraq that makes you have any confidence that the u.s. government might be better on this score towards the afghans who helped us as we try to do this now? >> i don't have much confidence, you know, there was sort of a, you know, long running islamophobia in this country. we can bring afghans here. we can vet them safely. the vast majority of them who come here are peaceful. this is a bold move by president biden. i applaud it. he needs to show how our immigration system can work. he needs to vastly increase the number of afghans who are allowed to come here in these very few months that exist, he needs to vet them, and i think that's his responsibility.
we cannot just walk away from this. it's a dangerous situation. it could be, like you said, the islamic state after u.s. troops pulled out of iraq, they took control of much of iraq, and u.s. troops could be back in six months, but i do think this is the right step, but we must help get our afghan allies out of the country. >> pulitzer prize winning reporter david rohde, executive editor can the newyorker.com. your experience there is unique and something that i think everybody has learned from. thanks for being willing to talk with us about it tonight. >> thank you, thank you so much. >> all right, we've got much more to get to tonight on this historic day in the news. as i mentioned at the top, we are keeping an eye on brooklyn center, minnesota, fourth night of protests tonight over the police killing of 20-year-old daunte wright on sunday. this fourth night of protests is
the right to vote for all of us. we should all feel a responsibility to defend the right to vote and to oppose any discriminatory legislation or measures that restrict or prevent any eligible voter from having an equal and fair opportunity to cast a ballot. so this was this big ad, like i said, spread across two full pages of print, and it ran today in the "new york times," also ran this "the washington post." and this was not an ad taken out by a progressive voting rights group or like the naacp, this is what the list of signatories looked like under that pro-voting rights statement, target, bank of america, apple, cisco, berkshire partners, american express, wells fargo. also the chairmen and chair women and ceos of those and many other big, really big corporations, some of the biggest companies in the country. so yes, the fight to get
corporate america off the sidelines, to get them to push to defend democracy and voting rights as we are experiencing the biggest rollback in voting rights in more than a generation as republican-controlled states try to clip voting rights everywhere they can, that fight to get corporate america involved in defending american democracy, this big show of force in the times and the post today is a big win given the size and heft of those corporations. but also, at the same time, it's not like corporate america is speaking with one voice on this issue. "the wall street journal" now reporting that the u.s. chamber of commerce, which is the main lobbying arm for big business, the chamber of commerce simultaneously has decided that it will pressure u.s. senators to vote against hr-1, the for the people act, the big national voting rights bill that has already passed the house and is now pending before the senate.
it will be interesting to see how that lobbying effort goes now that so many really big american businesses are wading into this fight and saying they support voting rights. the u.s. chamber of commerce is telling u.s. senators as the chamber of commerce we want you to vote against voting rights. how is that going to resolve? against that conflicted backdrop today we saw president biden's nominee to lead the civil rights division of the justice department, kristen clarke, we saw her testify before the senate judiciary committee on her way to taking that all important job. if confirmed, she will be the first african-american woman to lead the civil rights division in the entire 64-year history of the civil rights division. senate republicans spent the whole day berating kristen clarke over all the terrible things that they see in her record as an accomplished and uncontroversial civil rights lawyer, just as they tried toot for the hearing for vanita gupta, who also happens to be an
accomplished progressive woman of color. incidentally, the first vote in the full senate on vanita gupta's doj confirmation is scheduled for tomorrow. she is expected to be confirmed, even though republicans have done their best against her. just like vanita gupta, there's no reason to believe that kristen clarke will not be confirmed to run the civil rights division despite the grilling she got from republican senators. that will put the country one step closer towards having a justice department that leads the way in fighting to protect the right to vote in states across the country, but whether the business community is going to be a sort of faithful and ewe tile ally in that fight does sort of seem like a jump ball at this point. joining us now is president and director of counsel of the naacp legal defense. thank you so much for making time. >> thank you, rachel. >> let me ask you first about the kristen clarke nomination. you have been an outspoken
proponent that kristen clarke is the right person for this job and she should be confirmed by the senate. her confirmation hearing was marked by republicans sort of doing a fox news pageant acting out fox news prime time arguments against her as if she is the real racist and she's really controversial. what do you make about this process thus far and her process -- prospects of being confirmed in the end? >> well, rachel, i have to say i thought that kristen clarke was masterful today. she's not a tv lawyer. she's a real lawyer, and so she was really able to defend her record. she has an astonishing career as a civil rights lawyer behind her leading the civil rights bureau at the new york state attorney general's office. she was a lawyer at the naacp legal defense fund, leads the lawyer's committee for civil rights under law, worked at the department of justice for six years, and so she comes to it
with tremendous experience, but today what people could see was just the intelligence, the poise, the confidence, and really she couldn't be shaken. it's unfortunate we should be thanking ourselves and i think senator cory booker said that, we should be grateful that someone like ms. clarke is willing to serve, particularly at this time in the country when we need someone with her kind of vision, clarity and commitment to really lead, as you say, in the enforcement of the nation's civil rights laws and to really address the crisis of civil rights that we're in at this moment in the country. >> part of the crisis, or at least the confrontation that we're having right now in the country is over the crucial issue of voting rights and voter suppression tactics that seem aimed quite specifically at african-american voters, other voters of color, poor voters, disabled voters, other people who can be cut off from the polls if the voter suppression legislation is written just the right way in order to accomplish
that goal. what do you make right now about the sort of push me, pull you happening with corporate america, with business interests that are starting to speak out, including in this remarkable ad today in the "new york times" and "the washington post," starting to sort of find their voice as supporters of democracy and supporters of the right to vote while simultaneously we're seeing things like the u.s. chamber of commerce lobby u.s. senators that they ought to vote against the most important voting rights bill that we've seen in a very long time. >> you know, rachel, i'm actually quite comfortable with this discomfort because what we are seeing is a real shake-up happening in corporate america, as i have been appearing and speaking with business leaders and business groups, i have been telling them that we are in a democracy moment. you know, there was one crisis that we could see on january 6th because it was filled with violence, because it was there on our tv screens, and we could all feel the sense of america
slipping away from being a stable democracy, but i want to be clear that these voter suppression laws that are being proposed in texas, that just passed in arkansas modeled on georgia criminalizing giving food and water to people in line voting. in south carolina we submitted testimony today in opposition to the south carolina voter suppression bill. this is as much a threat to the integrity of our democracy as january 6th was because it's -- as the supreme court has said, the right to vote is preservative of all rights. it is fundamental, ask this state by state attack, we saw an attack on the capitol on january 6th, now we're seeing a state by state attack on voting, and it's going to require all of us to stand up and to speak powerfully for democratic principles, and that includes corporate america. they don't get to be bystanders and this is a moment of reckoning in which corporate america is going to have to tell the rest of the country whether
democracy is something that they are agnostic about, right, whether it is not necessary to the business model of american corporations or whether they believe that as citizens and corporations as you know, actually receive lots of rights as citizens by the united states supreme court. well, if you are a citizen, you have an obligation to stand up for our democracy. and so i think the ads today, that was incredibly powerful. i do feel the need to point out that this shift, this seismic shift, this move, this destabilization and this willingness of hundreds of corporations to speak up was led by black business leaders, black business executives who first spoke out in that ad with 72 of them signing it in the "new york times" several weeks ago, and they listened to the voices of grass roots and community activists and national civil rights organizations pushing back against what was happening in georgia. this is what it's going to take if we're going to protect and save and strengthen our democracy. it's going to take people moving out of their comfort zone and
being willing to stand up for the principles that should undergird any true democracy with integrity. >> president and director council of the naacp legal defense and education fund. it's always really good to see you, thank you for joining us with so much going on right now in the news, it's your area of expertise. it's really good to have you here. thank you. >> thank you, rachel. all right, we've got much more ahead here tonight. stay with us. do you have a life insurance policy you no longer need? now you can sell your policy, even a term policy, for an immediate cash payment. call coventry direct to learn more. we thought we had planned carefully for our retirement. but we quickly realized that we needed a way to supplement our income. our
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let us show the best of our community. and to the wright family, i know that there is nothing i can say or do that will bring daunte back or ease your grief. but i promise you this. his death will not go in vain. >> that's brooklyn center, minnesota mayor mike elliott earlier tonight calling for peaceful protests on what is now the fourth night of demonstrations after the police killing of 20-year-old daunte wright on sunday. today the officer who killed daunte wright in that traffic stop was charged with second degree manslaughter in daunte wright's killing. that charge carries a maximum penalty of ten years in prison. the officer was arrested this morning and taken to jail. she's since been released on $100,000 bail. her first court appearance is scheduled for tomorrow. that is the backdrop for day
four of protests tonight in the streets of brooklyn center. joining us from there is nbc news correspondent ron allen. thanks very much for joining us again tonight. i know you've been out there several days in a row now, and at times it's been very challenging conditions chts what do you see tonight, and how do you compare it to how the last few nights have been? >> reporter: rachel, as has been the case every night after nightfall things get a bit more tense, and we have seen more debris, bottles, rocks going into the police compound in the last half hour or so. it's a very different crowd tonight. there's a lot of people riding around in cars and motorcycles, racing up and down the streets. there's also, i have to say, a lot of hate, anti -- a lot of hostility directed towards us, towards the media. there was some of this on social media urging people to smash cameras and that's one reason we are keeping our distance. there have been a couple of incidents where cameras closer, photographers closer have been pushed back by some elements in
the crowd. the crowd of course is very diverse. there are people here for many, many different reasons. the bottom line is that there's a lot of just more frustration, anger. the manslaughter charge, people feel just falls very short. they want to see a murder charge. they insist that mr. wright was murdered, killed in the streets, and that's what this charge should be. they're also calling in some cases, i was talking to some of the leaders of the protests earlier today, they want to see a special prosecutor take over this case, an independent person appointed by the state attorney general, not the local county prosecutor who has been assigned the case who they feel is too close to law enforcement to really prosecute this case in the way that they want to see it happen. also today earlier, there was a group of state legislators who have a long list of reforms that they want to see passed this the state, including an end to qualified immunity which protects police officers.
they want to see changes in the juvenile justice system. i don't want to get into the minutia, the point is there are a lot of concerns that go beyond the daunte wright case and go beyond even the george floyd case. so when you talk to the organizers, they will tell you, these protests, there's no end in sight to them. it's going to go on regardless perhaps even of the outcome of the george floyd, of the derek chauvin case regarding george floyd. people feel there's an endemic problem that's racially based with policing in this state, and they think that the manslaughter charge is further evidence of that. a lot of people point to the case of officer -- former officer mohammad nor, the minneapolis police officer who back in 2017 was convicted of murder and manslaughter in the death of a white woman, a resident who called 911 and he
and his partnered arrived on the scene, he opened fire from his squad car thinking he and his partner were being threatened. it was a mistaken incident, he would say, but he was convicted and sentenced to 12 1/2 years in prison, and people see that case and they see what's happening with this white officer, and they just see a double standard. so for so many reasons, these protests are going to continue. again, the bottom line, things are relatively calm tonight. we're still an hour or so from curfew, and that's when the police and the national forward who have a very militaristic looking presence there again tonight, a lot of fatigues, a lot of armored vehicles, heavy equipment, that's when they move out and try to clear the street. that's when we think there could be more trouble. rachel. >> ron allen for us in brooklyn center, minnesota tonight. ron, thank you for that. again, this terms of what we're almost just referencing there about the curfew, the curfew in brooklyn center tonight is 10:00 p.m. local time, which is
11:00 p.m. eastern time, and, again, once that curfew is in effect, people are supposed to, if they're obeying the curfew, supposed to clear the streets and police can use that as the pretext for clearing demonstrators away from the police station, which is where you see them there. the chain link fence you can see there at the center of your screen where the protesters are sort of directing their attention, that is essentially a temporary barrier that's been put up with chain link and jersey barriers around police headquarters in brooklyn center, minnesota. it has been the focal point for these demonstrations for the past four nights. but again, another cold night as night falls in brooklyn center, minnesota, and plenty of people there making their -- making their feelings known in this same site we have seen them for the past three nights as well. we'll keep an eye on this throughout the night. we'll be right back. stay with us.
we have some breaking news from bloomberg news. jennifer jacobs at bloomberg news the first to report tonight that the biden administration is getting ready to sanction russia tomorrow. russian individuals and entities in response to russia's efforts to disrupt the 2020 election. the u.s. intelligence community concluded that russia made yet another concerted effort in 2020 to attack and undermine our election to try to benefit the donald trump campaign. the sanctions are reportedly in response to that, also reportedly in response to the solarwinds hack that hit nine federal agencies and 100 big private companies last year. according to bloomberg news, the plan is for the u.s. government to sanction about a dozen russian individuals, including government officials and intelligence officials, plus 20 russian entities of some kind. plus, they're reporting that the u.s. government could expel as many as 10 russian officials is diplomats from the united states tomorrow. this, of course, comes right after president biden and
president putin had what sounded from the readout a very intense phone call yesterday. this happens, of course, while russia has amassed 80,000 troops along its border with ukraine. that is a show of russian military force on a scale they haven't put up since they invaded ukraine and took a piece of it for themselves back in 2014, but again, bloomberg news reporting tonight that a significant round of sanctions on russia is coming from the biden administration tomorrow. we have not independently matched that reporting, but we are watching this develop quite closely. stay with us.
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